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(Posted) RD: Robert CampbellEdit

Article: Robert Campbell (California politician) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): East Bay Times
Credits:

Nominator's comments: American politician - Indefensible (talk) 04:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support short but sufficient article. TJMSmith (talk) 04:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Ready for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 08:58, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support getting a bit of local coverage but not much more. Article is barely adequate. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  •   Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joseph LoweryEdit

Article: Joseph Lowery (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Civil rights leader – Muboshgu (talk) 17:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - Has a couple cn tags which should be addressed, however otherwise looks good and the guidelines say 1-2 cn tags may be ok. - Indefensible (talk) 17:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose while citations are still required. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, CN tags have been cleaned and references added. Spengouli (talk) 20:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Looks good, thank you for addressing the cn tags. - Indefensible (talk) 20:20, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:34, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - looks good enough for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 00:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  •   PostedBagumba (talk) 03:46, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Daniel AzulayEdit

Article: Daniel Azulay (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): band.com.br (Portuguese), Globo.com (Portuguese)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Brazilian artist. - Indefensible (talk) 16:37, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose basically an orphan and not seeing it "in the news". The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:40, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
    • It does seem to be reported in local Portuguese news, would say similar standard as Naomi Munakata. - Indefensible (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
      • The Rambling Man It was extensively reported in Brazil, but I don't know if the article is good enough for the main page.--SirEdimon (talk) 05:44, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Succinct article. Everything seems sourced. TJMSmith (talk) 03:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
  •   Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Les HunterEdit

Article: Les Hunter (basketball) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: American professional athlete, restaurant owner, and community college teacher. - Indefensible (talk) 06:02, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) North Macedonia joins NATOEdit

Article: North Macedonia–NATO relations (talk, history)
Blurb: North Macedonia joins NATO after a year-long negotiations process.
News source(s): DW
Credits:

Nominator's comments: First enlargement of NATO for years. A bit of non-COVID news for a change. EternalNomad (talk) 21:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Article looks in good shape --Masem (t) 21:45, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support although I would just call it NATO and not expand, the common name is NATO and I'm certain the majority of our "overseas" readers would understand that and not the expanded variant. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
This. NATO, NASA, EU, UK, US, are the abbreviations I'd expect any English reader should be familiar with (though linking will always help). --Masem (t) 21:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, have abbreviated NATO in the blurb. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 22:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support as per The Rambling Man Joseywales1961 (talk) 22:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks fine, decent news story. Kingsif (talk) 22:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Can someone add a ref for the first part of the History section? Would think should be easy enough to find for the 1995 and 1999 items mentioned. - Indefensible (talk) 22:53, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support article looks good to go for posting. important news.BabbaQ (talk) 23:06, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, I have NOTHING against Slovak Prime Minister Mr. Igor, but his face has been here for long, can't we replace it?. If not, no problem. ^_^ --CoryGlee (talk) 23:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Just a comment on the blurb, I'm not sure when we are counting the negotiation process as starting, if we say it started in July 2018 with the invitation or back in 2008 and earlier, then maybe the blurb should say "multi-year negotiation process."-- Patrick, oѺ 23:42, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @Amakuru: I think I will change the image to File:History of NATO enlargement.svg as it seems more relevant (includes North Macedonia in 2020), does anyone have a problem? --qedk (t c) 09:26, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@QEDK: Generally, purely decorative elements like flags or logos are not posted. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:59, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Fine by me to change it. A map also showing North America would be better IMHO, as it is misleading to focus only on Europe, but I don't have strong opinions either way.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:10, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
This is one of those cases where if we were tired of looking at that politician we should drag up and image from RD. The Macedonian flag doesn't offer any value for our readers, and a highlighted map of NATO wouldn't do great condensed into the box. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
The guidelines you linked above also suggest no maps, as they are hard to discern at small size. Stephen 11:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@Stephen, Amakuru, and LaserLegs: I don't see any options which are not maps (treaty parties, enlargement, NATO members) or flags (NATO/North Macedonia), all listed in order of decreasing relevance. Both flags and the enlargement map are protected and good-to-go. --qedk (t c) 15:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
So then put Matovic back or get a suitable image from RD. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

The flag does seem inappropriate. It conveys no real visual information. (Also, my first association was the WWII Japanese war flag.)
Sca (talk) 17:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Would it not be appropriate to use the NATO flag or map of member states (with North Macedonia now included)? The image is now back to Mr. Matovič, but his news item was a week ago already and the nomination is not even on the page anymore. - Indefensible (talk) 04:39, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I don't think File:History of NATO enlargement.svg works in a small size. If there is clear map of NATO members (without all the different colours which will be hard to interpret without the key) that would be good. Otherwise I have added Joseph Lowery to the protected list. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
A NATO map without Canada and the United States is not a NATO map. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Any comments on this one? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(Not sure what country that is in South America? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC))
French Guiana --LaserLegs (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Added two maps to WP:CMP the one linked above with all countries, which has weird lines (I'm guessing it links it to the mainland, but it just looks bad). The other one is the North Macedonia highlighted among NATO countries (leaves out French Guiana but looks better imo) which I've placed right below it. --qedk (t c) 13:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks qedk. I have added the green map. Improvements to the caption welcomed though — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:05, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bob AndyEdit

Article: Bob Andy (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Loop Jamaica
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Jamaican musician, Order of Distinction member. - Indefensible (talk) 16:16, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirusEdit

WP:SNOW. No chance.
Sca (talk) 13:36, 27 March 2020 (UTC))
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Articles: Boris Johnson (talk, history) and Coronavirus disease 2019 (talk, history)
Blurb: Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Both articles need updating
Nominator's comments: While the coronavirus story is an ongoing event, this incident stands out as it involves a prominent head of state who is involved in mitigating the outbreak, which involves taking many measures that should prevent getting infected with this disease. Count Iblis (talk) 11:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose It is somewhat more anecdotal as he is not in a serious condition and will continue working. He is not the only head of government infected and surely there will be more. Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:38, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I knew this would end up on ITN/C. Oppose at the moment. Tom Hanks also got COVID-19 but recovered from it. At the moment, this seems to be the rule rather than the exception. It would, of course, be notable if Boris Johnson became incapacitated from the virus.--WaltCip (talk) 11:48, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. If a national leader dies from the disease that might be worth posting, merely catching it is not. Modest Genius talk 11:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WaltCip; nice idea though, an original nom. ——SN54129 11:50, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:SNOW. Is this some kind of a joke? If the disease forces him to resign, then we're going to post his resignation; if it leads to complications and he dies, then we're going to post his death. But the diagnosis with no follow-up or, at least, indication of a long-lasting impact per se is not notable at all.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:12, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Cripes! Crikey! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Support We can't blurb every COVID-19 update but this one seems a bit noteworthy. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
How come? Because it's a head of state?--WaltCip (talk) 12:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Yep, head of a G7 and NATO state specifically. I'm not gonna die on this hill, the update is literally one sentence, but still interesting. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Currently the top blurb in ITN is another PM – Igor Matovič – who is stale news from about 3 weeks ago and attracting very little interest from our readership -- just 10K views yesterday. Boris does better than that on a quiet day and I expect his article will be 1M+ on this news. If ITN keeps running the same stale blurbs then it is irrelevant and not helping anyone. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
    No one has yet stopped you from improving OTHER Wikipedia articles on current events and nominating them, are you? Wikipedia is a volunteer organization that only works because people who care about something fix it all by themselves. Since you want to see new topics in ITN, you are responsible for making that happen. Browbeating other people to do that work for you is a waste of your time. --Jayron32 12:57, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
    I'm afraid this isn't WP:TOP25. If you'd like to replace WP:ITN with WP:TOP25, please raise an RFC to propose such. In the meantime, please do stop complaining about page views, this is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid newspaper. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose currently precisely zero impact. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Princess Maria Teresa of Bourbon-ParmaEdit

Article: Princess Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Parma (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): People
Credits:

Nominator's comments: First royal to die from COVID-19, needs a bunch of work, she was quite notably outspoken but until recently her name redirected to her father's article. Kingsif (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose - Article is currently a stub that has a speedy deletion banner. - Indefensible (talk) 19:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose tagged stub. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment updated with translations from the French sister project. robertsky (talk) 21:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Article still could use work and may not meet the threshold of RD guidelines, but good work updating the article. - Indefensible (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – Stubby. (And "whilst" – ??)Sca (talk) 21:57, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Article is much improved. TJMSmith (talk) 22:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Good enough for RD now.BabbaQ (talk) 23:10, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Marked as ready per above. Moved from the 28th to the 26th, as that is the correct date. - Indefensible (talk) 00:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - ready to post MurielMary (talk) 05:06, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posting. --Tone 10:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Michael SorkinEdit

Article: Michael Sorkin (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Quito, Anne (March 28, 2020). "Michael Sorkin, architecture's brilliant sage, has died of complications from Covid-19". Quartz – via Yahoo!.Gibson, Eleanor (27 March 2020). "'Fierce and brilliant' architect and critic Michael Sorkin dies of coronavirus". Dezeen.
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Important architect, urban planner. 7&6=thirteen () 18:47, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Has a couple cn tags which should be addressed, in particular the orange banner should be resolved. Looks good otherwise. - Indefensible (talk) 19:07, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  Fixed 7&6=thirteen () 19:46, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Support per above fixes. - Indefensible (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
I know your default position, but article has now been referenced. User:The Rambling Man what is it you think is presently lacking? 7&6=thirteen () 11:22, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
What's happening about the dubiously "useful" "Reporting, selected" section? Most of it is unrerferenced, and I'm not convinced I can see any value in this, do we normally list a "selected" (by whom, what criteria? One suspects, just whatever someone kind find...) list of mentions of someone? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
User:The Rambling Man Per your suggestion, I removed the section. 7&6=thirteen () 12:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Support looks fine. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted though technically stale, due to four from the 27th and four from the 28th. Kees08 (Talk) 16:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rolf HuisgenEdit

Article: Rolf Huisgen (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): chemistryviews.org
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Chemist with a reaction named after him, 99. - Expanded stub. Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - Meets the requirements, good work updating the article Gerda Arendt. - Indefensible (talk) 16:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  •   Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:23, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Balázs CsákabonyiEdit

Article: Balázs Csákabonyi (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): kaposvarmost.hu (Hungarian)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Hungarian lawyer/politician, High Commissioner of the Hungarian Bar Association. - Indefensible (talk) 16:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Naomi MunakataEdit

Article: Naomi Munakata (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Folha pt
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Great woman, chorale conductor. VOVID-19 (my first) - The article was created in en and other languages the day she died. I could add recordings on demand, if needed. (See AllMusic link.) - I wonder if victims of the virus might appear within the box, if only to have some change there from time to time. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Support per nom. Short, but with statements supported with references. robertsky (talk) 15:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • support: short but sufficient.BabbaQ (talk) 15:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - seems to meet minimum requirements for RD posting. - Indefensible (talk) 16:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  Posted. El_C 18:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Jimmy WynnEdit

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 05:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Jimmy Wynn (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): ESPN, Houston Chronicle
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Former professional baseball player. Three time MLB All Star, member of the Houston Astros Hall of Fame, jersey number retired by the Astros. Thrashbandicoot01 (talk) 21:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: John O'Leary (golfer)Edit

Article: John O'Leary (golfer) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): European Tour
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Some sourcing still needed in places DannyS712 (talk) 06:03, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Now reasonably sourced DannyS712 (talk) 06:32, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support as per nominator. short but decent article Joseywales1961 (talk) 10:02, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support one citation missing as far as I can tell. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now - lead needs to be a bit longer, and the lead says he played in the 1975 Ryder Cup while the body says he missed it.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Amakuru: Can you take another look? DannyS712 (talk) 00:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
    @DannyS712: it's already been posted anyway, but for the record it's all good now. Nice work.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Article seems to meet the requirements, the 1975 Ryder Cup detail per Amakuru's comment above seems to be consistent now. - Indefensible (talk) 15:10, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - It is RD ready.BabbaQ (talk) 23:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  •   Posted --qedk (t c) 07:31, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
    @QEDK: Would you mind posting the credit bit on my talk, so that I can claim this for the wikicup (unless not doing so was intentional)? DannyS712 (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
    @DannyS712: New to the posting side of ITN. Sent!   --qedk (t c) 13:31, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Curly NealEdit

Article: Curly Neal (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Short but should be reasonably sourced. Masem (t) 01:10, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Michel HidalgoEdit

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 05:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Michel Hidalgo (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: French Football Manager won the Euro 1984. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Oppose there is only one reference in the article (which doesn't even mention his death) updated since I added oppose Joseywales1961 (talk) 19:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


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(Stale) RD: Mark BlumEdit

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 05:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Mark Blum (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: COVID-related death. Article needs major improvements before posting. Masem (t) 18:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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(Closed) Nicolás Maduro indicted for drug traffickingEdit

Consensus will not develop to post this. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 02:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Nicolás Maduro (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and numerous high ranking officials are indicted by the United States Government on drug trafficking and related charges.
Alternative blurb: Nicolás Maduro and Venezuelan numerous high ranking officials are indicted by the United States Government on drug trafficking and related charges.
News source(s): NY Times, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Highly controversial head of state indicted for narco terrorism along with a bunch of other higher ups is highly unusual. Ad Orientem (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. I think there is merit to posting this, but it is debatable as to if Maduro is the legitimate President or not, so I would suggest leaving his title out. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree with regard to his legitimacy, but most of the RS sources are referring to him as president so that's what I went with. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough. Thanks 331dot (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
RS's call Maduro president when they want to throw shade, and call Guaidó president when they want to de-legitimize Maduro. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Please bear in mind WP:FORUM. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Sure, but it's relevant in this discussion given that for the last year RS has been calling Guaidó the legitimate preisdent of Venezuela and have suddenly changed their tune for this narrow case. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support on the basis that RSes are generally recognizing his legitimacy as president, that the indictments against a sitting world leader are a major news factor. Article seems fine, but it would be nice if in the blurb if there was any specific of the cases that we could link to - I can't tell immediately, for example, if this is related to Operation Car Wash or other similar things, just to provide better context. --Masem (t) 16:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • LMFAO (oppose). The absurdity of the rightists MDS notwithstanding, the target has a one-liner update, Maduro won't be extradited or tried in the United States, and we have a long standing (albeit a bit silly) policy on not posting indictments. It does bar him from attending the UN though. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support on grounds of notability and unusualness, which isn't the typical politician indictment for corruption. If it helps, I would like to note that the indictment refers to Maduro as "Former President". I have added an altblurb without a position to avoid disputes regarding his legitimacy. If I may, I would also like to support adding a related image in the Main Page. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose - What's the long-term impact of this event? Because maybe I'm just not seeing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nice4What (talkcontribs)
  • Oppose-On the grounds that this is only of political relevance, represents an American viewpoint and Wikipedia should not engage in furthering political smears as it damages our image of neutrality. --Willthewanderer (talk) 18:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
These charges are being widely reported in RS sources. We don't refuse to post news because we don't like it. Your use of the word "smears " also suggests a certain bias. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Willthewanderer As noted above, "Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." 331dot (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
If we are to accept national bias then I must object to the entire concept, we are not a news site and it shouldn't be up to us to dictate what is and isn't news- This is an encyclopedia. We leave ourselves wide open to accusations of national bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willthewanderer (talkcontribs) 21:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Maduro is never going to be put on trial in the United States, and we don't post indictments that are only for show. Even if Maduro is arrested, brought to America, and put on trial at some point in the future, then the circumstances that led to that (his removal from office) are what should be posted here, not this indictment. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - A pretty sad attempt at political histrionics to distract from COVID-19.--WaltCip (talk) 19:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WaltCip. It seems like a purely political ploy with no impact on reality for anyone in any way. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Question. How many nations have indictments against heads of state of other nations, even for 'political' reasons? 331dot (talk) 19:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
I seem to recall that one or two countries had charged George W. Bush with war crimes.--WaltCip (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
So it's a pretty rare thing, regardless of the reason? I mean, the US has not indicted Vladimir Putin for election interference. 331dot (talk) 19:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Surely there's a reason for that.... – Muboshgu (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Manuel Noriega was indicted in the US -- and then the US invaded and abducted him. I'd support posting that if they did it to Venezuela --LaserLegs (talk) 19:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
That would be incredibly newsworthy, likely for all the wrong reasons.--WaltCip (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above. Little chance of it being enacted, and not of lasting significance.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now, wait to see if anything concrete happens. This is clearly politically motivated, and we wouldn't post a drug dealer being charged if he wasn't the president of a country. The US has no way of arresting Maduro. If this turns into a major diplomatic incident then maybe it could be postable, but more likely everyone shrugs and nothing happens. Maduro's article is a POV nightmare and has just one sentence of update, with no more information than the blurb. Modest Genius talk 19:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose we might post sentencings or convictions but certainly not indictments. Banedon (talk) 21:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Modest Genius and WaltCip. Jusdafax (talk) 21:26, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose If we posted every time the US announced Maduro was guilty of something, the box would never be empty of one. If something happens, please post. (I have made an update to his article) Kingsif (talk) 22:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Guilty plea in Christchurch mosque shootingsEdit

No consensus to post. Stephen 03:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Christchurch mosque shootings (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Brenton Tarrant pleads guilty to 51 counts of murder, 40 counts of attempted murder, and one count of terrorism in the Christchurch mosque shootings.
Alternative blurb: ​The trial for the Christchurch mosque shootings results in conviction of the accused.
News source(s): CNN, AP, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is equivalent to the point of conviction otherwise. the next step is the sentencing but which can't happen due to COVID-19, but we'd not post that. Masem (t) 05:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose although it is mildly surprising he changed his plea, it was 100% inevitable that he would be found guilty having filmed himself killing all these people. The initial posting of this crime is sufficient. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Calgary's deadliest massacre seemed 100% inevitable to be Calgary's largest murder when first news broke, too, but nope. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per reasons above. Admittedly surprised the entire trial took over a year. Juxlos (talk) 09:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
The long and winding trial hadn't begun yet and won't now. That's why pleading guilty is noteworthy. Maybe blurbworthy. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Effectively cancels the most high-profile trial in New Zealand and alt-right history, but without using the coronavirus defense. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support posting the resolution of this case(essentially a conviction). 331dot (talk) 10:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per TRM. The ramifications of this plea were effectively a foregone conclusion a year ago. – Sca (talk) 13:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
A year ago, most figured we'd see a guy and his legal team try to justify this for a week or so. There were publication bans and controversial testimony in the works, the whole damn circus was coming to town. But that just changed forever today. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Article is high quality, has a high quality update, and news sources are covering the story. Checks all of the boxes. --Jayron32 14:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Well it's a turnout. And such a notable case, separate to the crime, that the surprise result is some news. Kingsif (talk) 15:09, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – Dropping my opposition in deference to foregoing. However, the article's updates re plea are quite thin. More RS-documentation would be advisable. (Three offered above.) – Sca (talk)
  • Support per Jayron32. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support article is pretty good, item is in the news. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per TRM. There was never any doubt who did it, we posted the original story, this isn't really startling news in itself.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - Suggest removing the suspect's name, replacing the appropriate section of the blurb with just "a suspect pleads guilty".--WaltCip (talk) 19:23, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    • There is zero point at this time to hide the name now that they have confessed. I could understand that if this was a trial just starting (which we would not be posting) we'd probably be careful, but the issue around naming the culprit that existed in the weeks after the event no longer exist here. --Masem (t) 19:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose in addition to the above, per NZ prime minister Jacinda Ardern, it's preferable not to speak this person's name or give him any publicity. Banedon (talk) 21:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Unlike past cases where the gov't courts or the like have had orders to keep the name private, PM Ardern's request is only a personal one and certainly one that RSes across the board are not following. --Masem (t) 21:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Without prejudice to the other arguments against this and not taking a position myself, this seems a bit like righting great wrongs given that the suspect's name is already publicly available and has been for a while. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 04:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Added altblurb. The fact that he reversed and pleaded guilty is not the important part, the conviction is the noteworthy event per preceding nominations. Altblurb is more concise and anonymizes the name. - Indefensible (talk) 23:38, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    • No, that's far too simplification of the news. As pointed out above, the suspect had been claiming not innocent, and there was a big gearing up for a major trial on this. Then suddenly he pleads guilty, out of nowhere. That's the story. Yes, on that, he's convicted, and sentencing will come later, but it's not simply a conviction as the altblurb suggestions. --Masem (t) 02:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
      • Not sure that is significant. From a distant observer's perspective, there was a crime, a guilty plea, and a conviction. Those are the key events thus far, and the ones that matter legally. That there was an expectation of a major trial and an unexpected guilty plea seems like trivia, it is ultimately unimportant to the resolution of the case. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and WP:NOTNEWS, it does not seem like the drama should be the noteworthy aspect for expounding on. - Indefensible (talk) 03:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
        • And that's the problem to take "from the distant observers perspective". All court cases could be summarized "A criminal is convicted" which... yeah, is a massive understatement. The point is that the article on the shootings does explain that there was preparation for this trial to be a media circus and then for reasons we don't know, it suddenly didn't happen. We have to be a bit more aware of details to phrase it to draw interest on the main page, distant to be impartial but no so distant to be ignorant. --Masem (t) 03:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
          • There should be no penalty for being a distant, disinterested perspective, if anything it should be emphasized. 1) Most topics will be such for an editor because one cannot be everywhere, 2) an encyclopedia should be as objective as possible, and 3) being too close to the subject increases the chance of WP:COI. It is not true that all cases could be summarized as that, a case could result in acquittal and providing the outcome of conviction or acquittal is the key detail. That the article explains the details is exactly why it is okay to summarize concisely, because any reader can click the link to learn those things if they choose to. It is a slippery slope into click bait territory to try and make encyclopedic content overtly "interesting," and again Wikipedia is not primarily for news anyway. - Indefensible (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose altblurb 1, weak oppose overall Not only do I not agree with anonymizing the name as I said above, but a guilty plea is substantially different from a conviction, even if only for laypeople. As for this story overall, we posted the original shooting IIRC, and this seems more of a legalistic follow-up, although we have posted convictions on here before (but not generally sentencings or other post-trial legal stuff). – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 04:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Aside from preserving anonymity, the shooter is not notable enough to have his own article, thus my argument for not including him in the blurb.--WaltCip (talk) 11:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
He's notable enough, just that his notability is tied to events with a shared article, so a standalone bio would only be redundant to his article-sized biographical section. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Per Amakuru. It's not like William Wallace pled guilty. It is just a mundane detail that ultimately changes nothing. It would be news if he walked free. Nobody that's not been watching this case closely, everyday since day one, is going to understand why this was posted on the main page. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
If it changed nothing, why would CNN, AP and BBC call it shocking and relieving? Those aren't exactly synonyms for "meh". And no, I'm not "badgering the opposition", I'm "just sayin'". InedibleHulk (talk) 13:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per JM Wolfson above. Pleas and decisions are different things, and courts have in the past rejected guilty pleas for one reason or another. Finality will come on conviction. Anonymizing this is absurd; our own would-be bold-linked article on the Main Page gives the name in the lede, and there's no reason to entertain one PM's impossible and absurd demand on this.130.233.2.33 (talk) 14:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
This court didn't reject these pleas, though, so that's a conviction. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:44, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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Man in China dies from hantavirusEdit

Article: Hantavirus (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Man in China dies from hantavirus
News source(s): UPI
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: "Global Times reported the patient, a migrant worker from southwestern Yunnan Province, died while traveling on a chartered bus to Shandong Province for work on Monday." Count Iblis (talk) 04:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose way way way outweighed by coronavirus, and while more fatal (36% vs 2-3%), human transmission is extremely rare, hence why only 1000 cases. --Masem (t) 04:10, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose this doesn't stand a chance given the lateness of nomination and obscurity/triviality of the event; I do thank the nominator for the good-faith nomination, however. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 04:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: William BartholomayEdit

Article: William Bartholomay (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): MLB
Credits:

Nominator's comments: American businessman, owner of the Atlanta Braves. - Indefensible (talk) 16:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Harry AartsEdit

Article: Harry Aarts (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): bd.nl (Dutch)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Dutch politician, Order of the Netherlands Lion. Article is short but seems referenced and may meet the requirements for RD posting. - Indefensible (talk) 06:19, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

  • support - indeed short but sufficient for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 15:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - I agree with BabbaQ. Looks well sourced. TJMSmith (talk) 03:59, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I came to post but this death is now older than the latest on the template, sorry. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:13, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jennifer BateEdit

Article: Jennifer Bate (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Gramophone
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Concert organist - one of the first ever - who recordined all Messiaen guided by the composer. - Expanded a bit. There could be much more based on the present sources, but not by me right no, with two more RD waiting, and a GA review under way, + need fresh air. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Looks ready to me. P-K3 (talk) 12:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support given the length of the career, it's a bit lacking, but what's there seems satis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:32, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
    I added some bits especially for you, but believe anybody could have done the same, - it's all in English, while I feel more needed when sources are in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - good for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 15:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  •   Posted --qedk (t c) 20:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Kurti cabinetEdit

Article: Kurti cabinet (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Kosovo's Kurti cabinet is voted out of power over disagreements over the handling of the coronavirus pandemic.
Alternative blurb: ​Prime Minister of Kosovo Albin Kurti is voted out of office because of his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.
Alternative blurb II: ​Prime Minister of Kosovo Albin Kurti is removed from office after the Assembly of Kosovo passes a motion of no confidence.
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

 —Jon698 (talk) 15:17, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - Government collapse due to COVID-19 pandemic. Notable development. (Also proposing ALT1) Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 17:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose because Kosovo lacks broad recognition as a state, and because the article is stubby. Kurti's replacement may qualify as ITN/R --LaserLegs (talk) 18:03, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    @LaserLegs: Since when was "broad recognition" required for ITN? Surely we'd post a story about Taiwan, a non-UN member recognized by 7.3% of members, so why not Kosovo which is recognized by a majority 50.3% of members? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 19:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
We posted the Taiwanese which I opposed as well though the article was much better. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
The 2 examples are not exactly the same because in the Taiwanese case there was an election of a new government, in this case there is not yet a replacement government and the government which was voted out continues in a caretaker role. However, not necessarily against this being posted, as the blurb can be updated as appropriate later. - Indefensible (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support it's a self-governing region which suffices. Banedon (talk) 21:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - it is notable with a government that falls due to the coronavirus.BabbaQ (talk) 22:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    • This is a grey area that arguably could be covered by and is redundant with the coronavirus banner though. - Indefensible (talk) 22:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
      • If needed, we could post this story without mentioning the pandemic. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 23:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – The Kurti cabinet continues as a caretaker govt., pending its replacement. – Sca (talk) 13:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • So you'd rather add it then...? The Prime Minister will resign regardless, like when Theresa May resigned (which we posted) but was still "acting" PM for a while. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 15:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment I would be very wary of directly connecting the COVID-19 situation with the govt's resignation. Sources in the article making such a claim also detail a long history of antipathy between the PM and President. This could very well be run of the mill politicking. Absent the COVID-19 angle, the time to re-nom this would be on the formation of a new government.130.233.2.33 (talk) 14:11, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @130.233.2.33: Just wondering, but do you have an account and just forgot to log in? – Jon698 (talk) 14:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Added ALT2 with this in mind. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 15:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @MSGJ: I updated it a few hours ago. – Jon698 (talk) 3:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Is a decision going to be made on this article? – Jon698 (talk) 21:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mike StrattonEdit

Article: Mike Stratton (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): USA Today, NBC Sports
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Six-time AFL All-Star and AFL All-Time Second Team selection. —Bagumba (talk) 14:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Weak support very brief for such an "all star". The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment The article is currently 1800 bytes of readable prose, which is above the 1500 minimum that DYK requires. ITNC does not have any formal size minimums.—Bagumba (talk) 23:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment "AFL" is a very unclear term. Here in Wikipedia it links to a disambiguation page with around 35 entries! This Australian initially wondered who this footy star was that he's never heard of, and would never use such an abbreviation in a global encyclopaedia. HiLo48 (talk) 23:47, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    @HiLo48: I'm admittedly guilty of not following MOS in my nomination comment, though the comment field is optional for a nom, and the article does introduce AFL properly (and I did at least link it above). Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 04:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support - from what I can see everything seems legit and RD eligible.BabbaQ (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment After a bit more expansion, readble prose size is now about 2,400 bytes.—Bagumba (talk) 13:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support looks alright. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Robert Alan LevinsonEdit

Article: Disappearance of Robert Levinson (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

 Count Iblis (talk) 23:48, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment Just noting family has stated they consider him dead as of this date, despite no evidence of body/etc. so this is a reasonable date to post. --Masem (t) 23:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. I was just about to nominate this; it's clearly notable (three presidential administrations worked to find him) and has been making its way through the major news outlets. JOEBRO64 01:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support 25 March was the death announced date, which is what we work on. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:16, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Quite possibly not recent at all, less possibly not dead at all. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    And the article is about his disappearance, not him. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
So if it's not a BDP, it technically doesn't have to be on Margaret Thatcher's level for a blurb. But it still has to be deadlier than the Zagreb earthquake. Or not related to you-know-what. Or possibly on a website's frontpage. Or maybe get a certain ratio of votes. Or...? InedibleHulk (talk) 13:13, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
I mean, he was no Nelson Mandela.--WaltCip (talk) 14:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - RD is only used for people who are individually notable enough to have their own article, rather than an article about the political events surrounding them.--WaltCip (talk) 12:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Opppse Valid point that there is almost zero about Levinson as a person in this article outside his profession related to his disappearance, so fails the basis of RD. --Masem (t) 13:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per TheJoebro64 and Joseph2302. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 17:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Article is not biographical per WaltCip, and the announcement of his death does not mean his death is recent nor that he is actually dead per InedibleHulk. - Indefensible (talk) 22:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    • It has been the case in the past that when we have a notable person prior to their disappearance that is then declared dead (either due to certain laws or the familys consideration) then we have posted their RD as that date here. I forget who that case was in the past but we have respect this factor. That means the death could have been years in the past, as long as the official declaration of death is within the "freshness" for ITN --Masem (t) 22:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Ganz typisch.Sca (talk) 22:06, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) 2020 India coronavirus lockdownEdit

WP:NAC: thanks for the nomination, but the immediate and universal opposition demonstrates that this has no chance, so I'm closing per WP:SNOW. There's already a big banner about coronavirus in the template and many countries have already implemented lockdowns. ITN won't post a separate blurb about just one of them. Modest Genius talk 14:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2020 India coronavirus lockdown (talk, history)
Blurb: ​India goes under a nationwide lockdown to contain the spread of the coronavirus pandemic
Alternative blurb: ​PM Narendra Modi has ordered a nationwide lockdown in India to contain the coronavirus pandemic
Alternative blurb II: ​1.3 billion people go under lockdown as PM Narendra Modi orders a nationwide lockdown in India.
News source(s): BBC, The New York Times
Credits:
  • Weak Oppose We didn't do it for France or Spain, India is just one of many countries going under lockdown. --Rockin 12:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose many other countries (Italy, Spain, France, UK to an extent) have gone into lockdown. It's why the coronavirus general thing is up at ITN, to avoid having to put all the specific articles on ITN. Also the article is only start class at the moment, would need improving. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Covid banner is there for a reason. robertsky (talk) 13:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Many other countries have already done so. There's nothing significant here. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose welcome, India, to the new normal. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Anatoliy MokrenkoEdit

Article: Anatoliy Mokrenko (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): radio svoboda
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ukrainian baritone opera singer, who appeared in films, later also director of the National Opera, taking the company to France, other Europe and Asia. - Prompted by a red link, I collected from puzzle pieces, - additions welcome, hopefully by someone who speaks the language. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alfred GomolkaEdit

Article: Alfred Gomolka (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [2], [3]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: EU politician, died on this date Joseph2302 (talk) 19:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: William DufrisEdit

Article: William Dufris (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Notable VA, Bob the Builder. Major sourcing issues. Masem (t) 19:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Stuart GordonEdit

Article: Stuart Gordon (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Director known for a few cult classics (Re-Animator, Honey I Shrunk the Kids); some sourcing problems though with article. Masem (t) 13:56, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted to RD) RD: Bill RieflinEdit

Article: Bill Rieflin (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Drummer associated with multiple bands including REM and King Crimson, died after battle w/ cancer. Typical sourcing problems but looks like a few working on it. Masem (t) 00:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Masem, Should be added. :/ </3 ―Justin (koavf)TCM 00:20, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I thought I added you to updater... it says it there ...--Masem (t) 00:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Masem, I did mean, "I should be added" I meant, "This entry should be added to 'In the News', also, I am sad because Bill Reiflin is dead". Pardon me for being unclear. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 17:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Ahh, sorry. Yes, obviously definitely to be added (and has been to you and others getting it up to quality). --Masem (t) 18:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Working through those at the moment, esp. the bits around Swans and Ministry. Damn. The bad news keeps a comin'! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Support good work all. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Note to posting admin: I added myself to the updaters, but User:Lugnuts should be in there too, however the template only has 3 slots! Black Kite (talk) 09:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Terrence McNallyEdit

Article: Terrence McNally (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NYTimesCNN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Tony Award & Emmy Award-winning playwright, wrote the book for Ragtime, died from complications due to Coronavirus TenorTwelve (talk) 21:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment there are two orange tags in the article, will change to Support if these are addressed Joseywales1961 (talk) 22:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Are Huff and People considered RSs? – Sca (talk) 22:28, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
I switched it to NYTimes and CNN per your request -TenorTwelve (talk) 23:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Huff is "debatable" and People is good for BLP - see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Sources Joseywales1961 (talk) 23:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Huffington Post is well established as a reliable source; People would actually be questionable to a degree as it gets a bit more into celebrity gossip. --Masem (t) 23:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose multiple obvious issues. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not ready yet. Mostly looks good but a couple sections need additional referencing to remove their orange banners. - Indefensible (talk) 18:56, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Overall, the article is well sourced. Only the writing section has a tag left. Everything in the section is sourced or hyperlinked to an article. TJMSmith (talk) 04:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Still one orange tag, and I'm afraid this nomination is now stale — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

(Reposted) 2020 Summer Olympics postponedEdit

Article: 2020 Summer Olympics (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The 2020 Summer Olympics will be postponed as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.
Alternative blurb: ​The International Olympic Committee announces that the Olympic Games planned for this summer will be postponed for one year
Alternative blurb II: ​Due to the coronavirus pandemic, the International Olympic Committee announced that the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games this summer will be postponed to 2021.
News source(s): Guardian, BBC, IOC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Pretty major sporting event, worldwide. I remember someone saying that this should be the only event that should be ITN if postponed. --Rockin 19:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Wait only because (after searching for confirmation) this is one IOC member saying this. Wait until the official IOC statement. --Masem (t) 19:53, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
    • To be clear, as from the BBC story [4] "The International Olympic Committee has given itself four weeks to decide on the future of this summer's Games, but veteran IOC member Pound says a decision will be announced soon. "It will come in stages," he said. "We will postpone this and begin to deal with all the ramifications of moving this, which are immense." So just wait for the "stage 1" announcement. --Masem (t) 19:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait for a statement from the IOC, this is just one member(who may certainly know, but doesn't speak for the group as a whole). 331dot (talk) 19:59, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait as premature per Masem and 331dot. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Just close this now It obviously hasn't happened yet. HiLo48 (talk) 23:19, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Reopened. Now confirmed per sources above. Black Kite (talk) 12:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Japan'sPM confirmed it. Starzoner (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - Now it's official. Let's get it up there. Quick, quick, hurry!!--WaltCip (talk) 12:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I've written a present-tense blurb that avoids calling it the 2020 Games, as this will now be the 2021 Games. --LukeSurl t c 12:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Article has not been updated sufficiently as of right now. Fix the article and its lead to actually reflect the latest information, and then I can support this. --Jayron32 12:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support but only if the blurb also links to Dick Pound for some cheap laughs in these bleak times. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - I've made an edit request to update updated the page. Kingsif (talk) 13:12, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Given the official confirmation I have gone ahead and lowered the protection level to semi-PP x 48 hrs. The article can now be edited by anyone who is auto-confirmed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't think the IOC have said anything yet but obviously the Japan PM announcing it is good enough. This is the one sporting postponement that is worth posting in my view. Once the article has been updated take this as a support.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted. --Tone 13:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment The "2020 Summer Olympics" should be bolded --Rockin 13:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pull While I support in principle, far too many of the tables are poorly referenced. I would also note that there does not appear to have been a discernible consensus to post this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pull per aO. Also questioning the "consensus"—excluding the nom, only two support votes, Tone?!? ——SN54129 13:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Official statement. Yes, this was posted too early but there's no question now. --Masem (t) 13:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pull until consensus is reached per aO and Serial. Rockin 14:07, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep/Support. Fix the tables or remove them for the time being. The ITN process makes it take too long to pull a blurb and then have it reposted. Though consensus was weak, there's no doubt that this was going to be significant enough to post. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 14:12, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pull until quality is fixed for BOTH of the problems noted above (sufficient update, referencing issues) UNLESS Nice4What (talk · contribs) or someone else fixes those problems before an admin gets to removing it. This should not have been posted in the state it was in. --Jayron32 14:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pulled per the above comments. Consensus does not appear to be reached yet and some referencing improvements needed.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:21, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – For whenever the article issues are addressed, I'd just like to go on record saying the alt-blurb seems more appropriate. The format of the initial blurb doesn't seem to mesh well with other ITN headlines. Master of Time (talk) 14:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Re-post - I hate the practice of posting then pulling events of paramount importance. Let's post it and then improve it.--WaltCip (talk) 14:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Main page is too important to post sub-par articles and expect them to get improved. And Olympics - which were still 3months out - are not of "paramount importance" at this point. --Masem (t) 14:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
      • Agree, however this line of logic also suggests that non-emphasized articles in a blurb should meet the same frontpage standards in my opinion. For example, currently Prime Minister of Slovakia is up but is essentially unreferenced. - Indefensible (talk) 18:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Major news, even though it's corona related it still an important announcement.  Nixinova  T  C   19:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose/Proposal - The article needs significant updating yet. Alternatively, Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on the 2020 Summer Olympics, which is better maintained, could be featured here.Renerpho (talk) 19:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Added alt2 The relation of the postponement to the pandemic should be highlighted. Clarified one year to 2021. Official title of event used in IOC statement is "Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games." Sleath56 (talk) 20:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Re-post per WaltCip. Banedon (talk) 22:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose this is just part of the fallout of Covid-19 pandemic which is already conspicuously displayed. And this is not unexpected, many, many things much more important have been canceled, we need not start listing them. In fact, going ahead to do it, might be the unexpected thing here, and I believe if that were the case, MS sources would have given it much more attention than they do now. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:18, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Re-post article is good enough now. Although it's caused by coronavirus, this is a major world event, this postponement was worldwide ramifications. This is the only postponement therefore that I believe it's worth adding to ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose re-posting – It was a major story, but as a one-time announcement it will have a short shelf-life in the news. Further, as noted in the past, such Pushmi-Pullyu waffling comes across as highly amateurish. – Sca (talk) 13:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support alt1. This is the only sporting event for which I think a coronavirus-related delay is worth posting. The article is updated and of reasonable quality. It's huge and could do with a copyedit, but that shouldn't preclude posting. Modest Genius talk 14:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support either of alt1, alt2. The Tokyo Olympics is the only coronavirus cancellation/postponement story worth posting as a blurb. Olympics is a worldwide event with unique significance for the humanity, and in the past the Olympic Games were only cancelled because of war. In the case of Tokyo 2020 Olympics, the games could have easily been cancelled rather than postponed, so the current outcome was not inevitable. Nsk92 (talk) 19:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support reposting, per Modest Genius. Hrodvarsson (talk) 01:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – Getting stale. – Sca (talk) 13:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support the reposting now as per Nsk92 before it becomes old news Joseywales1961 (talk) 14:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Ammarpad: nowadays, notability is more likely to be found in something actually going ahead. And, since events in the coronasphere are so fast moving, I'm afraid this must be deemed stale by now. ——SN54129 14:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Stale. – Sca (talk) 13:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per Nsk92. --LukeSurl t c 15:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Not stale. This is newer than than the newest entry about the Slovakian PM. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:07, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
A week-old announcement certainly is very stale indeed. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
As someone who's in ITN for years knows, that's not how we suggest staleness. Don't be dishonest about this. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

ZZZzzzz....Sca (talk) 22:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

  •   Reposted. Item is less stale than the item it replaced. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:06, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I guess the yawning monkey loses this time. ;-) WaltCip (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

In terms of news, this is silly. – Sca (talk) 13:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

  • 'Suggest close as this has been reposted. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Remove I suggest removing this as it is just fallout of the Coronavirus pandemic. NoahTalk 13:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Remove. @MSGJ: WTF? This is long-since stale, and clearly no consensus per the above discussion to re-post.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
    It is not the case that it is “stale”, which has a specific meaning at ITN; the announcement was on 24 March, and Matovic became Slovakia’s PM on 21 March. P-K3 (talk) 18:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Boo! Both virus news and old news, just like WrestleMania. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I am afraid, there's no consensus to repost this, Martin. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep it's in the news, it's updated, the referencing is good enough, and the Olympics is a major multi-day, multi-sport, multi-nation event. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
It used to be. But this year, it's nothing, the absence of all those things. Not even still watchable online, like bigger events will be. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


I smell a rat. – Sca (talk) 16:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Remove no consensus, and it's definitely not in the news. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:27, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: at the time of posting I judged there was consensus, because the only objections centred around the quality of the article which seems to have been addressed. The comments about being stale are curious, because if this is pulled it will be replaced by an even older item ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:13, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


Things just get curiouser and curiouser.
(And old news just gets staler and staler.)
Sca (talk) 22:09, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Everything we post is stale, and if this is pulled something even older will get dragged up in its place. One COVID-19 story slipped past the gigantic unnecessary banner -- just let it go. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pull, then repost, then pull again - We can do this all day -- or even better yet, why not let's just close this discussion and finally put a lid on this farce.--WaltCip (talk) 13:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. Sca has provided and captioned three solid animal pictures. Should be clear enough to anyone what happened here. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
You must admit that's much more economical in terms of cyberwork than posting 3,000 words of argument. – Sca (talk) 20:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pull we have a big ol' banner for virus news, we don't need a separate article about something that isn't happening. Pointless entry, given the circumstances. It's also clear there is no consensus to post at all, so I'm not sure how the decision to post can be justified on that basis. - SchroCat (talk) 16:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Manu DibangoEdit

Article: Manu Dibango (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Famous saxophone player, died today (from Covid-19). Article has been updated extensivley by a number of editors already (not me!), not clear who best to give credit. Fram (talk) 10:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose several citations needed and as usual, an unreferenced discography, worse than normal because many items not even linked. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Very well known musician, leader in his genre and region. --Varavour (talk) 19:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - needs referencing improvement still as The Rambling Man wrote. - Indefensible (talk) 17:52, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Albert UderzoEdit

Article: Albert Uderzo (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Le Monde, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Recent death of one of the most popular comics artists ever, artist (for over 50 years) and writer (for more than 20 years) of Asterix, known worldwide. Perhaps not quite at blurb level (though I wouldn't oppose one), but of the 10 most translated french language authors, he was the only one who still lived (see here). Fram (talk) 10:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  • I'd make an argument for a blurb when the article's up to scratch - if we're looking at the top of one's field, then storytelling comics (rather than the superhero-y/serial ones) is a field dominated by Asterix around the world. Kingsif (talk) 19:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Storytelling was Goscinny's field, though. Asterix and Obelix are pretty iconic designs, but the dog and wizard are pretty forgettable. Compare to the dozens more memorable toons Matt Groening drew, for perspective on world dominance. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, once concerns about content are resolved. KConWiki (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I added a few {{cn}}s, but this is close to being ready. Fix those and I will support RD. Oppose blurb as 'number of translations of a French author' is a very narrow field to be top of; not at the Thatcher/Mandela level. Modest Genius talk 12:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Thanks. I found reliable sources for two of these, and removed the third one which was simply incorrect (good tagging!). I think all "cn"s are removed now. As for the blurb: the "translations" was more a measure of popularity around the world than the sole claim to fame: having created a series which sold 370 million copies and spawned a dozen movies and so on (and has its own attraction park), and being arguably the last truly great artist from the heyday of European comics (i.e. before the advent of graphic novels and more adult comics) and one of the few who transcended their "local" fanbase and became universally known (like Hergé or Peyo or Morris), are the real claims to fame. But it's a borderline case for a blurb: when they were all still alive (those few, and Franquin, Jacobs, Vandersteen, ...), he probably would not have made the top 5 of most important ones; he just outlived them all. Fram (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
      • Looks good, I now support RD. I agree Uderzo was very successful and well known; I enjoyed his work. I'm just one of the ITN contributors who think the threshold for a death blurb must be very high, because we have the RD section where most deaths can be featured. Modest Genius talk 14:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - However, the awards currently look unreferenced. - Indefensible (talk) 18:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - looks well-referenced now, also very prominent as the author of an iconic comic book series. --Clibenfoart (talk) 14:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, looks good now which I didn't expect to happen when I first saw it, - thank you all who helped. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now still a couple of cites needed in the with Goscinny section, and awards. Good to go after that.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
    • I think I have sourced everything now (and added a few awards at the same time). I hope we are finally done now and this can get some time on the main page after all... Fram (talk) 09:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Am I allowed to mark my own nomination as "ready"? Considering all the supports, and the opposes which just waited until the article was ready, I hope this may be considered "ready" before it is stale and falls of this page. If I stepped out of line, feel free to remove the "ready" indicator. Fram (talk) 14:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Support This is beyond ready. Why hasn't it been posted yet? Manish2542 (talk) 18:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Posting. --Tone 18:36, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Stale) RD: Maurice BergerEdit

Article: Maurice Berger (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NYTimes, LA Times, Baltimore Sun
Credits:

Nominator's comments: American author, University of Maryland professor, art critic, curator, cultural historian. - Indefensible (talk) 06:54, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support: good to go for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 15:30, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - everything looks cited. It would be great if someone could expand the lead. TJMSmith (talk) 03:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Spencer, Dr. Berger's nomination is almost out of time for posting, could you please review? There are a number of other Ready entries waiting on the list too, but this one is the most urgent. - Indefensible (talk) 04:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
    • My apologies, things have been crazy offline given the field in which I work. I added myself to the ITNA template below, but I'm probably not the best person to ping for urgent requests in the next several weeks. SpencerT•C 17:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I came to post, but the oldest item is now Mar 26. I'm sorry but I don't think I can post this now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
  • What an embarrassment. This one was ready to go too. Perhaps it's time to start changing the procedure on RD, whether it's how we notify a posting admin or at what point a nomination is considered stale. WaltCip (talk) 12:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
    Perhaps people should make more use of {{@ITNA}} to attract attention by admins? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:58, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
    Spencer, MSGJ, WaltCip - Thanks for your attention to this. Would it be possible to expand the active RD list from 6 to 10 to allow more time for names to be up (particularly during this coronavirus period in which the rate of notable deaths is increased), as I suggested on the talk page? - Indefensible (talk) 18:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
    • I'll take a look; I think having the discussion there is the best location. SpencerT•C 01:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lucien SèveEdit

Article: Lucien Sève (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Died on 23 March of COVID-19 Joseph2302 (talk) 19:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Weak support not much there but what is looks ok. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose Insufficient depth of coverage at the present. What policies did the subject advocate for? For the subject's works, what are the main ideas proposed? SpencerT•C 14:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Spencer I've added a couple of policies and some info on one work. Will look for more sources later (though lots of journals about his works are behind paywalls). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Meets minimum standards, thank you Joseph. SpencerT•C 16:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per TRM above, although I agree that expanding the article bit more would be ideal. TJMSmith (talk) 14:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted must have been expanded since last comment, seems long enough for RD. Kees08 (Talk) 18:06, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Stanley SporkinEdit

Unlikely to get consensus. --qedk (t c) 07:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Stanley Sporkin (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Washington Post, Bloomberg Law
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: U.S. federal judge, SEC enforcement head 1974–81 responsible for pursuing dozens of cases / enforcement actions against large corporations, often for illegal contributions to non-U.S. politicians. Appears to be mostly, if not completely, referenced. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 17:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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(Pulled) 2020 Zagreb earthquakeEdit

Article: 2020 Zagreb earthquake (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Croatia experiences its largest earthquake since 1880.
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC, ABC.net.au, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Largest earthquake to hit Croatia in 100+ years, widely reported on and tangentially related to the coronavirus. - Indefensible (talk) 04:40, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose No casualties, and sub 6.0 scale. Not significant in the larger scale (Consider there was a similar magnitude in Utah a few days ago but outside of a power outage, wasn't much news either)... --Masem (t) 04:45, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Not true that there were no casualties, also not sure if verified but at least one death was reported. UPI, Macau Business - Indefensible (talk) 05:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
There was an initial report of 1 dead but was later corrected. As I suspect this will not get a sufficient support to get to ITN, I already nominated it for DYK. --Tone 07:53, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I would otherwise support ITN, however, since I am the one who started the article, I will not take any admin actions. --Tone 09:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I lean towards supporting. Significant damage and impact on the country. Judging significance from magnitude is, in my opinion, misleading, because damage depends on seismic readiness. Similar quakes have caused numerous deaths in India, and a slightly more powerful one in El Salvador caused thousands of casualties. Conversely, a 5.7 in Tokyo, the most-prepared capital, would be largely a yawner. I feel if an equivalent quake hit the capital of a more-populous country, such as D.C. or London, it would probably be posted. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 07:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Zagreb is a major European city and there was significant damage to the old city centre and many historic buildings such as churches and museums (e.g. [6][7][8]). The city's cathedral, which symbolises the city symbol as much as the Temple in aforementioned SLC, lost a spire (ref). There were also power and gas outages in parts of city, and other problems that go hand in hand with a major earthquake in a rarely affected region (ref), cf. Utah where the return period is 10 years (ref). Additionally, the strength still has to be ascertained for sure. Montenegro's seismological service estimates it at ML 6.0 (ref). Apologies for some non-English refs, am in a bit of a hurry. DaßWölf 09:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - a day later, this is still on the front page of the BBC site, it's major news. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Certainly unusual for Zagreb, but we can't post every <6M earthquake that kills no-one. See List of earthquakes in 2020 for the large number of bigger earthquakes we didn't post just in the last three months. The article is well-suited for DYK though. Modest Genius talk 10:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
    A death has been confirmed. [9] DaßWölf 20:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose I'm not opposed to posting earthquakes that are minor if they cause major damage to historic sites, but it doesn't seem to be quite at that level. Blythwood (talk) 14:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per Genius, Masem. Lacks broader significance. – Sca (talk) 14:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - DYK is a better fit.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Yes, it's a series of quakes with no deaths but if we marry together the rarity of the tremor in the area, the occurrence amidst the coronavirus pandemic and the damage it caused to many old buildings in the city, it's sensible to make an argument for. The main news in the Croatian media after this happened revolve around the fear of how letting people go out to prevent from potential aftershocks might impact pandemic's spread in the country. At the end, while the death toll is an important indicator for evaluating significance, it shouldn't rule out outright every similar story under unusual circumstances.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Same issue with the Utah quake - several historical buildings damanged [10] several aftershocks, concerns on the impact re COVID, but no deaths. I would agree there is a good chance of a major disaster that could strike somewhere in the world where there is a shelter-in-place or a massive medical response where the disaster would worsen the COVID spread or impact the medical response to the treatment, even if the disaster itself resulted in no deaths, but this one does not appear to be it - the articles suggest that everyone remained calm and after the initial shakes, stayed indoors as ordered. So I don't see that a story to post yet, especially if we're not posting the Utah quake story which was essentially of the same scope. --Masem (t) 16:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
      • I get your point and this is not far from what you consider postable. The Clinical Centre for Pulmonary Diseases at the University Hospital Centre was evacuated because of the building's high seismic risk. Unlike the Utah quake that you're referring to, this one shaked a national capital where people from the entire country and the surrounding area are frequently admitted to hospital these days. The apparent disruption of this process is a big deal and seems to be of a much larger scope compared to the impact it made on the response to the pandemic in Salt Lake City.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:12, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support seems to be a damaging and disruptive earthquake in a national capital. WP:MINIMUMDEATHS is meaningless. Weak because the article is stubby. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:40, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support once the tag is fixed. Kingsif (talk) 20:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment leaning towards posting once the article is fully referenced, anyone else have opinions? Kees08 (Talk) 18:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Thought that the referencing was pretty good prior to nomination and it has been improved since, is there anything specifically you are looking for? - Indefensible (talk) 18:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I do not see it as notable enough for the News but I would fully support it for DYK. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 22:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Kees08 (Talk) 05:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
    • There was no significant consensus to post this (by !vote 5-5) --Masem (t) 05:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
There is none at all, so I have pulled it. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:44, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
As you know, its not a vote, but if it was, I count 7 supports to 7 opposes, am I miscounting? I thought the reasoning of the supporters was better than the reasoning of the opposes, a couple of which were that it was better for DYK than ITN, which as far as I know is not grounded in any policy (happy to be linked to it if it exists though!). A couple opposes cited that it did not kill anyone, which as of three days ago was not true anymore. Anyways my computer has an issue with its monitor when I have it on for awhile and it is very irritating, so summary: IMO, the arguments for posting were much stronger, grounded in policy, and accurate at the time of posting than the arguments for not posting, but its fine that it is pulled. If ITN is supposed to be based off of votes and not strength of arguments I would advise modifying the instructions however. Kees08 (Talk) 06:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem; not a particularly newsworthy event. ——SN54129 08:09, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Canada withdraws from the 2020 Tokyo OlympicsEdit

No consensus to post. SpencerT•C 21:36, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2020 Summer Olympics (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Canada withdraws from the Tokyo Olympics if the Olympics are not postponed to next year
News source(s): CBCAlerts
Credits:

Article updated
 Count Iblis (talk) 04:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Australia has effectively done the same, I imagine a host of other countries are in the same boat without making formal announcements. Probably best to hold off until the inevitable postponement announcement. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 04:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose It will be if/when the critical mass of countries pull from the Olympics or the IOC announce they will postpone that we will post that story. Otherwise, this still all under the banner of COVID-19 events. The Olympics being postponed/cancelled would be "important" enough to be a blurb as its own compared to anything else that otherwise gets filed under COVID. --Masem (t) 04:47, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose since the withdrawal is COVID-19 driven and the COVID-19 banner is still in ITN. robertsky (talk) 07:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait for the inevitable cancellation/postponement. Modest Genius talk 10:45, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose more newsworthy to find something that hasn't been withdrawn or cancelled as a result of the virus. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose the above comments have it right. Blythwood (talk) 14:04, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I would only consider the Olympics being called off altogether to be ITN worthy. P-K3 (talk) 15:30, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) RD: Lorenzo SanzEdit

Stale. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: Former president of Real Madrid whose death had an international coverage. Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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(Closed) Yokohama Northwest RouteEdit

Closed, unlikely to gain consensus for a blurb Kees08 (Talk) 18:01, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Yokohama Northwest Route (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The 7.1-kilometer-long (4.4 mi) Yokohama Northwest Route of the Shuto Expressway system opens in Yokohama after its planning was aided by local residents.
Alternative blurb: ​The 7.1-kilometer-long (4.4 mi) Yokohama Northwest Route of the Shuto Expressway system opens in Yokohama.
News source(s): [1][2]
Credits:
 Mccunicano☕️ 03:16, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose It seems like just a regular highway opening to me. Happens all the time. What makes it ITN worthy? --Rockin 03:24, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose good-faith nom, but this is a very trivial highway opening. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 03:53, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I cannot see what make this special beyond a routine road opening at. --Masem (t) 05:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support It comes with a four-kilometre long tunnel! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Seems like a DYK item. 331dot (talk) 08:52, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
    • I'd usually put something like this there, but thought I'd offer up something a little less COVID-19 related to put something positive on the ITN section. Oh well, you never know til you try. Mccunicano☕️ 09:37, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Lacks significance. (The TFA folks seem to like items about highways, tho.) – Sca (talk) 16:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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La Modelo prison riotEdit

Article: La Modelo (talk, history)
Blurb: ​An estimated 23 inmates are killed in Colombia's La Modelo prison during a riot.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A prison riot, if coronavirus-related Kingsif (talk) 17:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose Article is an underreferenced stub. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hellmut SternEdit

Article: Hellmut Stern (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Tagesspiegel, RBB (with audio in German)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Violinist, born in Berlin, fleeing the Nazis to China, Israel, U.S., back to Berlin, principal violinist of the Berlin Philharmonic, and making the impossible possible: bring the orchestra (the former Reichssender) to Israel. - New article. Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - Article is short, but seems to meet the minimum requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 02:00, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
    I found a book source, added a bit, and more could be added if someone has time. What a life! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support – Known not only as a concert violinist, but also for educational talks about the Nazi era. – Sca (talk) 14:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 17:11, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Janata CurfewEdit

Snow close. SpencerT•C 21:54, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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Articles: Janata Curfew (talk, history) and 2020 coronavirus pandemic in India (talk, history)
Blurb: ​India observes a 14-hour long Janata Curfew (people's curfew) on 22 March 2020 to combat coronavirus pandemic in India
Credits:
 Titodutta (talk) 19:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Everywhere is issuing various stay-at-homes, this is nothing special to make ITN that's not covered by the banner. --Masem (t) 19:58, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem. This is what we have the banner for. - SchroCat (talk) 20:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - It is redundant with the coronavirus banner as Masem wrote, even if India is a large country. 14 hours is also not very long or notable. - Indefensible (talk) 20:51, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • SNOW oppose California is sheltering in place indefinitely. That sure seems bigger than a one time curfew. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:58, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose If anything, this would be notable for how short the curfew is. This will probably be snowed out soon. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 21:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Alright, thanks, yes, length is an issue as well, until it is fixed, withdrawn. --Titodutta (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: P. K. BanerjeeEdit

Article: P. K. Banerjee (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Economic Times ESPN
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Legendary Indian Football player. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Can you please take a look now.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
There are four awards uncited, and one of the two paragraphs for his career are uncited. Bonus points if you fix the humongous infobox image :). Kees08 (Talk) 16:34, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Please take a look now have added sources .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Can you cite the retirement? That's kind of a big one. Kees08 (Talk) 18:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks done anything else Kees08 .Please let me know.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed pending article improvement) RD/Blurb: Kenny RogersEdit

Soft Close There is an overwhelming consensus (with which I concur) that the article is no where near the quality level expected for promotion on the main page. Any experienced editor should feel free to re-open the discussion if/when in their judgement the issues raised have been substantially improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:41, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Kenny Rogers (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American singer Kenny Rogers dies at the age of 81.
News source(s): Variety NBC News People.com
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Legendary American country singer. – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:55, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now, given how much is unreferenced. - SchroCat (talk) 07:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Oppose blurb even if the article is perfect. - SchroCat (talk) 20:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality for now and I bet someone's going to propose a blurb - I don't know if Wikipedians like country music as much as Star Wars and glam rock but there's a good bit of referencing issues right now. -- a lainsane (channel two) 07:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • The gambler he broke even. Can this referencing be sorted? ——SN54129 08:05, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose way off. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:21, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait Editors are still updating the article. Give it some time, a day or two, for the updates to stablise the article first? robertsky (talk) 10:44, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • No blurb. Come off it - nowhere near meeting blurb criteria. RD when article improved, of course. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:54, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality for now and also oppose blurb. This is a very long way off in terms of referencing unfortunately. And although he's a household name, I don't think it's the level at which we blurb. He's more of a Kirk Douglas than a Nelson Mandela...  — Amakuru (talk) 11:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose RD definitely not blurb-level here. He had an interesting trajectory that made him famous but wouldn't consider him top tier of country/western music. Too many sourcing problems for posting RD at this time. --Masem (t) 13:58, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose On quality. Lots of citations needed and unreferenced material. Iconic and important singer, who at least merits a RD. I fixed lots of the present citations, but the absence of citations on lots of material is glaring. This is another one of those perverse results (long article, lots of good info), but it is an article with a lot of holes. 7&6=thirteen () 14:03, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – A Blurb would be OTT under any circumstances. RD acceptable if myriad quality probs. were fixed in a timely manner. – Sca (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose -Blurb, Support - RD
  • Oppose blurb, fails the Mandela-Thatcher standard. Not the top level of country music despite being a household name, nor a former US President/British PM. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 15:02, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not ready yet, article needs improvement. Oppose blurb as well when the article is ready for posting, should only be a RD link. - Indefensible (talk) 20:57, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - for now. Until every concern taken care of. Ping me when done and I will change my !vote.BabbaQ (talk) 23:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb - Add to RD list only Mfernflower (talk) 01:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Stats FYI, Kenny Rogers got about 1.5M readers yesterday while the blurb for the Wonderchicken attracted just 13K. This demonstrates what's actually in the news and the extent of ITN's influence. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:03, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
    That, as always, is very interesting. But if the article is of insufficient quality, being an BLP and all, we shouldn't promote it on the main page. If you think "popular" pages should not be subject to the normal quality requirements of items featured on the main page, or exempt from BLP, that's a different discussion. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:21, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
    Furthermore, note that Kenny Rogers even beat the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, which only got 1.2M yesterday. My position is that we should replace ITN with Topviews as that does a better job of showing people what's in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
    Did you even read what TRM said? We can't put poor-quality BLPs on the main page.--WaltCip (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
    (ec) The Kenny Rogers article is rated as B-class and vital while its subject is dead, not living. ITN's top BLP is currently Edwin Catmull which is rated start class and not vital. Kenny Rogers has 58 cited sources while Catmull only has 38. So, we see that not only does ITN not report what's in the news it is also not a fit judge of quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:50, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
    Disagree with Andrew, Wikipedia is primarily an encyclopedia and not a fads tracker. If traffic is going to an article already then it does not need to be posted to get views, as you have shown. Conversely, posting articles that meet the quality threshold that people otherwise would not have noticed is providing education as an encyclopedia should. - Indefensible (talk) 17:45, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) RD: Claude BennettEdit

Stale. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: Bennett holds significance as the youngest person to become a member of Ontario's cabinet and was responsible for securing funding for the Rideau Centre and Ottawa Heart Institute among others in Ottawa. Not many news sources are available, although multiple politicians and journalists have commented, listed are a few of those in Twitter messages. Fulserish (talk) 01:40, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Willigis JägerEdit

Article: Willigis Jäger (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BR
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Quite an interesting person between Catholic spirituality and Zen. I expanded from one line. There could be more, but not now. Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Posted (ps if you know German and can properly translate article titles, that is always appreciated on these articles) Kees08 (Talk) 15:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

2012 Delhi Gang rapeEdit

Article: 2012 Delhi gang rape (talk, history)
Blurb: ​India executes four men convicted of the 2012 Delhi gang rape.
Alternative blurb: ​Four men were hanged for their involvement related to 2012 Delhi gang rape.
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, AP
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This was one of the worst criminal cases happened in India and I acknowledge the fact that this incident is overshadowed by the country's coronavirus pandemic. Abishe (talk) 06:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose criminal sentences, whether being given or carried out, are not considered ITN-worthy. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 06:46, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support important news in a significant case of international attention. I think an exception can be made in this case. buidhe 07:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Logical conclusion to a criminal event. Support on worldwide coverage. The criminal event was posted in Wikipedia's ITN when it had occurred seven years ago. Regards, theTigerKing  10:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support — important news. Justice is finally delivered. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:08, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support — Because it was covered by world media. Justice conclusion.BabbaQ (talk) 12:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose We posted their conviction in 2013. We don't typically post executions behind that. --Masem (t) 12:39, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Wolfson-Masem; also oppose "per justice", which is one bizarre argument. ——SN54129 12:46, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Regarding the "justice" arguments, we are not here to right great wrongs. While we may record the righting of great wrongs, this does not suffice to upend our precedent against posting on criminal cases after conviction/acquittal in the absence of any noteworthy issues (of which there weren't any here). – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 12:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose domestic crime story, uninspiring article. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:07, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support This case is at least as significant for India as the Harvey Weinstein case was in the US. Article appears to be in good shape. Beyond which we need some new and non-Covid-19 stories on the main page. This is a good candidate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
    • With all due respect, we posted the conviction of Weinstein and not his imprisonment, and we posted the sentencing of these people in 2013. Also, new and non-Covid-19 stories are not factors in the worth of a given blurb; coronavirus might have been a factor a couple of days ago, but isn't now that we have a couple of non-covid blurbs and a non-covid image, and that presumably all but a few future blurbs will be non-coronavirus with the banner up. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 13:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I'd be okay with ignoring precedent on posting criminal punishment, but not ignoring the precedent on posting the same story twice. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support – Widely featured on RS sites. Highly significant in India, where many speak Eng. as a 2nd language. More noteworthy than the weak Asteriornis item, which has zero tangible impact on anyone. – Sca (talk) 14:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Actual execution is more significant than conviction and this issue is highly featured in reliable sources. – Ammarpad (talk) 16:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Notable enough. Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 16:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment can someone please read and clean up this mess before it's rushed to the MP? The "Changes to the legal system" section has a whole section about a memorial held in London -- aka not changed to the legal system. Also has this grammar gem "From recordings made by a highway CCTV vehicle, a description of the bus, a white charter bus with a name written on it, was broadcast." among others. If we're going to paste irrelevancies on the main page at the very least lets not let the article be rubbish. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem and Wolfson. robertsky (talk) 18:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose as above Kingsif (talk) 21:34, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • It seems a bit strange that this is called the "2012 Delhi gang rape" case. Is the gang rape or the murder more significant? In a city the size of Delhi, this is probably not the only gang rape case that occurred in 2012; rather I would guess that it is noteworthy for its severity and outcome. However, the article is a Good Article. Since it is a noteworthy event in the news (although not locally for some editors), it may meet the requirements for posting. - Indefensible (talk) 22:37, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
    • No one is denying it was notable, just that we posted the point when the men were convicted back in 2013. They've obviously been trying to get appeals which have failed and only just now the sentence carried out, but ITN doesn't duplicate posting the conviction and completion of the sentence. --Masem (t) 22:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
      • Where in the posting requirements does it say that repeats are not allowed? If it is just by informal principle or tradition, I would argue that the coronavirus items violate that as well then. - Indefensible (talk) 23:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
        • Generally, we don't provide "updates" on stories, particularly when the status quo is maintained which is the case here. There is a bit of concern with those arguing "justice served" which is a bit...righting great wrongs type of thought. WP wants to stay neutral and we respect appropriate legal punishments derived from fair trials and there's no doubt there was such the case here, but again, that they were executed now doesn't change anything at this point. Status quo is the same. --Masem (t) 23:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
          • When we get to the Olympics this year, if they do not get cancelled, I would think there would be a blurb for when it begins and when it ends. Would that not be the case? It seems arguable either way on whether the status quo is maintained or not, just based on the scope and how the event is framed. Now I do not feel that strongly about this specific event, but one could consider the difference being that 4 individuals are now dead whereas they were alive before, and the blurb is a sort of RD entry with broader social implications. - Indefensible (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
            • The 4 sentences are not notable so calling the RD factor is not really appropriate. --Masem (t) 23:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose posting the same story twice. P-K3 (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose criminals are executed daily across the world for heinous crimes. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per P-K3 and per TRM.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per GreatCaesarsGhost. Modest Genius talk 16:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Igor MatovičEdit

Article: Igor Matovič (talk, history)
Blurb: Igor Matovič is sworn in as Prime Minister of Slovakia.
Alternative blurb: Igor Matovič becomes Prime Minister of Slovakia following elections in February.
News source(s): The Slovak Spectator, TASR, Yahoo News
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Nominator's comments: Please run on 21 March when he is sworn in. buidhe 06:09, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

  • We generally do not post mere swearing-in/inauguration/coronation of a politician, as it is their choosing that usually considered to be notable(i.e. the election they won). 331dot (talk) 13:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC),
  • Support As I don't believe we did post this when he was chosen. I could be wrong, please correct me if I am. Thanks, Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 16:57, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support as first appearance on main page. ——SN54129 08:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: What do you want, ITN or DYK, because you can't have both. Or do just wait what will get there first? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support – Pro forma as new head of govt. & first mention in ITN. Not very timely, tho. – Sca (talk) 14:40, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Could be improved further, but meets minimum requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 03:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support. I would have preferred us to post 2020 Slovak parliamentary election when the results came in, but we didn't. The article is short but adequate. It might be a good idea to get a link to the election into the blurb anyway, adding altblurb. Modest Genius talk 10:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – If we're going to post this, it should be done today in order to be even minimally timely. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I don't see anything stopping it going up right now - no-one has opposed, the article is updated, and the quality is fine. I'll mark it ready, even though I !voted. Modest Genius talk 16:09, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posting. --Tone 16:12, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


  • PPC – Suggest switching from Edwin Catmull pic, which has been up there for several days, to this one of Matovič. →
    Sca (talk) 17:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

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RD: Stephen Schwartz (pathologist)Edit

Article: Stephen Schwartz (pathologist) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): MSN Seattle Times
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Notable pathologist at the University of Washington. 2607:FEA8:1DDF:FEE1:B502:FA28:F231:1CEB (talk) 01:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Italy coronavirus deaths top China'sEdit

It appears that consensus will not develop for posting this. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 23:19, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Italy (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The number of deaths from COVID-19 in Italy overtakes the number of deaths from the disease in China.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Apologies for coronavirus blurb. Kingsif (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC) Kingsif (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose We have a banner for COVID stories. This is not the type of thing to add a blurb about. --Masem (t) 17:53, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem, statistical observations like this are concerning but not so important that they need a separate entry. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 18:35, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose good faith nom per Masem. Very sad news, but barring a miracle we are going to see a lot of similar stories soon. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:23, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
One theory is that it's the belief in miracles that partly got them into this mess, with "holy" water, wafers and wine in churches being a major transmission method. HiLo48 (talk) 21:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Glad you find it funny. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 22:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I don't. I find it sad. HiLo48 (talk) 23:07, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - redundant with coronavirus banner, but the same is also true for the current WHO pandemic announcement blurb in my opinion. - Indefensible (talk) 19:31, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Peter WhittinghamEdit

Article: Peter Whittingham (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Independent
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Professional footballer, most notably for Cardiff City. It was already nominated a few days ago and turned out he hadn't died, but it is now confirmed. Date of death not certain, most likely today or yesterday but was announced today.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:34, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support CN tags were fixed by Black Kite with previous nom. Hopefully we can find a source that gives a solid date, but it was definitely either the 18th or 19th, as per police statement yesterday. PotentPotables (talk) 15:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Comment The reference says he died "Thursday" will Support as per above Joseywales1961 (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
@Joseywales1961: That's not totally clear - the sentence says "Cardiff City confirmed that the club legend succumbed to his injuries on Thursday in an emotional statement", which is ambiguous - the "on Thursday" could refer to the "confirmed" or to the "succumbed"... The Cardiff statement on Twitter didn't say either way. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I've checked the BBC, WalesOnline, Cardiff's statement and none explicitly say when he died. I think c. 19 or "18 or 19 March" is the best we'll get for now. PotentPotables (talk) 15:27, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree, the way I read those. They all suggest the death was overnight having been in critical condition since the accident. I would use "ca. 19 March 2019" only because, with GMT time zone, that's when the sources are reporting it. --Masem (t) 15:29, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
@Amakuru: struck through to support - I will continue looking for sources with a firm date Joseywales1961 (talk) 15:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I doubt there are any sources yet, it looked like all were feeding off the Cardiff City announcement, and that didn't say exactly when. Will probably become clear in due course. It doesn't really affect the nom either way though, we know he died recently and it was announced today, so it is eligbible for RD.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
That ambiguous Independent article is once again being used to "confirm" the death as the 19th.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support good to go once the date of death issue is resolved. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support looks fine. If date of death is widely reported as 19, use that. Kingsif (talk) 17:17, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Well referenced.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Kees08 (Talk) 17:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Sir John TooleyEdit

Article: John Tooley (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Telegraphy obituary Telegraph death announcement
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Longtime director of the Royal Opera House. Article appears to be in decent shape. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:46, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - @Ad Orientem: a proper source for his death now exists,[12] so I've reopened this. Decent sourcing, so it looks good to go to me. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Kees08 (Talk) 15:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Catherine HamlinEdit

Article: Catherine Hamlin (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Medical doctor, founded a nonprofit hospital in Ethiopia. - Indefensible (talk) 22:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support. No issues that I can see. Marking as ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:51, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted (tho the death should be in the prose and not the intro) Kees08 (Talk) 15:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Abel prizeEdit

Article: Abel Prize (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Abel Prize in mathematics is awarded to Hillel Furstenberg (pictured) and Grigory Margulis.
Alternative blurb: ​The Abel Prize in mathematics is awarded to Hillel Furstenberg (pictured) and Grigory Margulis.
News source(s): NY times
Article updated

Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

 Fdfexoex (talk) 14:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment Per past discussions, we realllly would like the winners to be the target article. I know they're not in great shape, but these are the people we should be featuring. --Masem (t) 14:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Yeah, we can't bold-link to an entry in a table. If there's no article about the thing they won it for, the two biographies will need to be brought up to scratch. Unfortunately they're a long way from being postable right now, and probably require the attention of an expert mathematician to sort out. Modest Genius talk 16:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • While we have a couple of images of Margulis, they aren't great in quality compared to what we have of Furstenberg. (no good tight head shot). --Masem (t) 16:45, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now unfortunately both peoples' articles are shoddy at the moment. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 21:12, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Asteriornis maastrichtensisEdit

Article: Asteriornis (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Paleontologists identify the fossilized skull of Asteriornis maastrichtensis, the oldest evidence of modern birds, dating to the Mesozoic era.
News source(s): Nature article, BBC, The Guardian, CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Obviously too short to post now (I will try to expand if no one else does), and yes, just had another paleo. story up, but again, it is widely covered ITN, it is the type of thing we'd usually cover and it's not COVID related. Also please see discussion below related the previous case of the "smallest dinosaur" though I'm not seeing the same doubts here: they've identified the core elements that a bird skull would have (it was found nearly whole), and have carbon-dated it. So it's not like more wild guesing. Masem (t) 01:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose We've had another similar article on here quite recently. Now that the COVID map is no longer the picture and we've had two blurbs unrelated to the pandemic (and presumably all future blurbs barring something like an Olympics cancellation now that the banner's up), "non-coronavirus" is not a reason to post. While I won't strongly object if consensus develops to post this, I still think it's much too early to post another paleontology blurb (and I say that as someone with a background in evolutionary biology). – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 02:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Upon further thought I'll likely support this if we pull the earlier blurb, as this seems less scientifically controversial and more significant. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 02:43, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
    • I am further aware that having topically-similar blurbs at the same time or close together isn't completely unprecedented, mainly happening with stuff like the Nobel prizes. Unlike those instances, however, these aren't deliberately scheduled together. I also know that pulling a blurb for the sake of a better one doesn't have much if any precedent, so I'm essentially relying on IAR there. I still weakly oppose given the scheduling, but I might reiterate that I won't strongly object if this gets consensus. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 03:00, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
      • I can expand this article, it's the oldest undisputed modern-style bird and therefore more scientifically and popularly interesting than a controversial skull in amber.Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 02:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
    • I did try to figure out if this was some special issue of Nature to happen to warrant to rather similar stories but it seems like these are just coinicidentally two similar stories that were publishers at near similar times. If it were the case this were a special issue, I would agree with focusing on the story with the lease scientific doubt (this one), but that doesn't seem to be the case. --Masem (t) 03:53, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support now that the smallest dinosaur blurb has been pulled. It is adequately referenced and ready for the main page now. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 21:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support as a replacement for the Oculudentavis blurb. I've made some substantial expansions, it should be as decent as Oculudentavis as an article. As a news item, it is much better, since the blurb about Oculudentavis being the smallest known dinosaur would be completely misleading if it turned out to be a lizard. From my perspective on the paleontology community's criticisms, that may very well be the case.Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 04:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Currently the article is supported by a single reference, its Nature paper. Are there any other refs that can be added to support it? While Nature is a respectable source, the other current paleo article also had at least one Nature ref, plus others in addition. From a referencing perspective, the other article seems better supported. - Indefensible (talk) 04:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
    • There is this, a second article by a different author in the same volume of Nature explaining at a slightly higher level the significance of this discovery (eg placing the start of the modern bird development earlier than previously known). And then using the top level news sources like NYtimes gives some outside quotes from others that also qualify the result (eg the NYTimes says "The Wonderchicken, Dr. Worthy said, “appears to fill that gap.”"). Add articles to flush out what was known before about birds , and what this discovery changes, and you'll have about 6-8 sources I think, 4-6 of those as scientific journals. --Masem (t) 04:41, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
      • I'll get right to it.Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 04:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
        • I have cited eight more papers to elaborate on some of the info brought up within the article. Although the content of the NYT article looks good from what little I've seen of it, I don't have an account with them so I was unsure whether it was worth citing. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 14:11, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
          • Excellent work @Fanboyphilosopher:, I just added a couple things from the NYTimes bit (only to point out the wonderchicken bit for the most part). This should be ready for ITN review. --Masem (t) 14:18, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. A much better replacement for Oculudentavis. The article looks to be in good shape as well (although some discussion of the Valkenburg Member's palaeoecology would be a good addition). Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Article looks well-referenced now, good work Fanboyphilosopher. Suggest Wiki linking paleontology again as it is a Good Article. - Indefensible (talk) 18:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – Arcane and not really in the news. Zero tangible impact on anyone. – Sca (talk) 15:03, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alfred WordenEdit

Article: Alfred Worden (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Florida Today
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Apollo 15 astronaut. A few cn tags, but items can be addressed or removed as needed. - Indefensible (talk) 22:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support I've removed all but last of the "citation required" tags. If necessary, we can comment out this line. Article is a poor tribute to a brave man. A pity Wehwalt never got a round tuit. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:19, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Support Agree with above.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, we'll have 11 more of these to go. Should probably be a blurb though, only 24 people have been on or orbited the Moon. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Not sure a blurb is warranted despite the notability. Maybe at the unfortunate event of the last Apollo astronaut's death? - Indefensible (talk) 01:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
      • At least the four remaining Moon walkers would deserve a blurb (hopefully many years away) and as many of the others as possible. Thanks for the nomination. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 03:37, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Eurovision Song Contest cancelledEdit

Consensus will not develop to post. Everything is being cancelled. Stephen 23:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Eurovision Song Contest 2020 (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The EBU cancels the Eurovision Song Contest for the first time ever because of the coronavirus outbreak.
News source(s): [13],[14], [15]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Historic decision, breaking a chain of 64 broadcast Eurovision in a row. World most viewed televised music contest. --BabbaQ (talk) 15:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose To be honest, everything is going to get cancelled soon. Also, List of major events affected by the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic is linked from the "Impact" link in the COVID19 box. Black Kite (talk) 15:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose As I've noted below, probably the only major event that would get into ITN if cancelled or postponed at this point would be the Olympics. --Masem (t) 15:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Black Kite. Mark E. Smith must be loving it. Leave the Capitol! ——SN54129 15:49, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose As sad as this is, the 50th anniversary Glastonbury Festival also got cancelled today, which seems perhaps more noteworthy based on that. And, yes, wait for the Olympics. I feel this would be an obvious one to post in any other situation, but now... everything being cancelled is the norm, only the most globally significant gets posted -
Unless we argue that anything that would be ITN/R but is cancelled should get a blurb anyway... Kingsif (talk) 17:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose more newsworthy to post the events are still going ahead. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:56, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for reasons above. Even if the Olympics is cancelled I would still oppose. Juxlos (talk) 19:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support The event is ITN/R, where do the guidelines say that it's only ITN/R if it takes place? Article is pretty good too. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:27, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose At the moment every event should be assumed cancelled until they say otherwise. This is just one cancellation among many. However, maybe "cancellations" could be added to the banner?  Nixinova  T  C   21:31, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) Turing AwardEdit

Articles: Edwin Catmull (talk, history) and Pat Hanrahan (talk, history)
Blurb: Edwin Catmull (pictured) and Pat Hanrahan are awarded the Turing Award for their pioneering work on computer-generated imagery.
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated

One or both nominated events are listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: I will be updating about the Turing in both articles immediately after this. Catmull's needs a bit more sourcing. Masem (t) 13:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - looks like both articles are in decent shape. --LukeSurl t c 14:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Catmull's is undersourced, but it should not be that hard. --Masem (t) 15:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, nice nomination, important topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Edwin Catmull's article in particular needs improvement as noted above before posting. - Indefensible (talk) 16:00, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, especially with the image, but Catmull's article has many CN tags. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 16:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good to me! Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 23:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment in case it's not clear, Catmull's article needs much better referencing. Stephen 23:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Update Catmull's article no longer has any CN tags. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 01:19, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Looks good now, still missing a ref or two but meets requirements for posting. - Indefensible (talk) 01:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted good work, thank you. Stephen 01:36, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Has the image been switched to Hanrahan? Catmull has had a couple days now, for the architecture prize I believe both winners had their image shown on different days. - Indefensible (talk) 17:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

(Pulled) Smallest known dinosaur discoveredEdit

Article: Oculudentavis (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Scientists discover the amber-preserved skull of the smallest known dinosaur Oculudentavis, comparable in size to the bee hummingbird.
Alternative blurb: Paleontologists discover Oculudentavis, the smallest non-avian dinosaur known thus far.
Alternative blurb II: Paleontologists discover Oculudentavis, the smallest dinosaur of the Mesozoic.
Alternative blurb III: ​Scientists discover Oculudentavis, the smallest known dinosaur of the Mesozoic era.
News source(s): NBC News, Nature paper
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Both something that would get into ITN on some days, but also a need to fill blurbs due to the news otherwise being dominated by covid-19 stuff. (eg avoiding just news for news sake to be added). Article is in good shape. Masem (t) 04:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Satis, and while not a reason for posting in of itself it's nice to have something not coronavirus-related. 05:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Bee hummingbird is not quite up to the frontpage standard in my opinion, can that phrase be dropped from the blurb? - Indefensible (talk) 05:08, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • None bolded links are not required to be up to main page standards. --Masem (t) 05:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Added an altblurb to this effect; even if it is not required, paleontology is a good article and dinosaur is a featured article, so this would be preferable I think. - Indefensible (talk) 05:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Keeping Bee hummingbird, linked, seems very important and encyclopedic because it is the smallest known living dinosaur. This also calls the "headline" into question, as the bee hummingbird, being a dinosaur, is equally the smallest known dinosaur. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment The suggested blurbs are dubious. Birds are dinosaurs and, moreover, this one was an avialan dinosaur. That said, the bee hummingbird is taxonomically the smallest dinosaur and it's unclear if this was definitely smaller. Additionally, the paper published in Nature points out that it represents the smallest dinosaur of the Mesozoic era, while NBC News have apparently generalised the context of the discovery in their news.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    Re birds are dinosaurs, taxonomically that might be the case but in common parlance "dinosaur" is usually a paraphyletic group that excludes Aves, much like the Fish and Monkey categories tend to exclude humans from their definitions. If you can find a way to phrase this to make it unambiguous, please go ahead, but I don't think it should stop the nom.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:23, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Amakuru: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and it should always deal with complete scientific accuracy as such, so arguments revolving around "common parlance" are not welcome here (Monkeys and humans have very recent common ancestor but belong to distinct subfamilies of the primates order. Humans are apes and have never been excluded from that subfamily.). The common notion of dinosaurs as extinct species of gigantic lizards as presented in many illustrated books and animated films has proven to be false and Wikipedia is the right place to break this misconception. I've suggested another blurb that clarifies it was the smallest dinosaur species of the Mesozoic era as indicated in the paper.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:07, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    I'm well aware of the scientific situation, but your point "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia" is exactly why we don't publish things in the same way as a scientific paper would. Using commonly recognised names rather than overly technical ones is enshrined in our policy. And let's be honest, even scientists don't regard humans as fish, and wouldn't find it useful to do so. Referring to the "mesozoic" is unnecessary detail, and dilutes the significance of this find. Using the standard term "non-avian dinosaurs" or similar might work though. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    Birds, being dinosaurs, include the smallest known, the bee hummingbird. Saying that this new dinosaur skull is the smallest known should include clarification that the bee hummingbird is equally small. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    As someone with a background in evolutionary biology, I have to agree with Amakuru that Wikipedia, being a general-purpose encyclopedia, is targeted towards a general audience and as such should stick to the common understanding of "dinosaur" excluding birds, especially on the Main Page. The comparison to a bee hummingbird can remain in the blurb, but should not be referred to as a dinosaur. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 16:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - not corona related, thanks. I personally think this article is ITN ready. BabbaQ (talk) 09:15, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, I think alt 1 is the best of the blurbs but I'm not opposed to any of them. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Obvious support -- Very happy to see this. I was ready to nominate this myself when news first broke but gave up halfway through filling the form, because [excuses]. I have added a slightly adjusted version of Alt II as Alt III (Too many wikilinks and missing "known", IMO). I would also prefer "Mesozoic dinosaur" to "dinosaur of the Mesozoic era" if it's okay to have two consecutive wikilinks. Finally, I do agree we need to be precise with the blurb even at the risk of losing other desirable attributes. Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Stale I recall reading about this several days ago and indeed both sources given are dated the 11th. At the very least this should be re-filed under the correct date where it is about to fall off the tracker. 3142 (talk) 11:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
It is newer than any of the other blurbs currently in the board. We need something to fill space. --Masem (t) 13:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Add to the blurb "...bee hummingbird, the smallest known living dinosaur." for accuracy and informational data. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I would oppose that: I have no interest in debating the merits of that point other that to say you will have a hard time convincing most that a bird is a dinosaur. Regardless, an ITN blurb is not the place to start grinding that particular axe. 3142 (talk) 14:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
? There is no debate, birds are dinosaurs and are accurately called dinosaurs on Wikipedia. The blurb is essentially inaccurate in not pointing that out. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:15, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
The alternatives mentioning the Mesozoic would be preferable in this case, as it's factually accurate without needing to confuse people with true but not widely known taxonomy. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ˣ 14:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Nice piece of news, article good to go. Kingsif (talk) 14:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Interesting item to add. Rlendog (talk) 15:05, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Rather minor and arcane for ITN. That it's "not coronavirus-related" (per John Wolfson) should not be a factor. – Sca (talk) 15:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
In these unique times, I think it may very well be from now on.--WaltCip (talk) 18:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted using alt1 which seems to be the least argued against blurb. Black Kite (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Black Kite, the present use is inaccurate, which is why nobody argued against it. The smallest known dinosaur is the Bee hummingbird. Saying this new discovery is the smallest known dinosaur is encyclopedically not correct. Please add that it "and the bee hummingbird, are the smallest known dinosaurs" or some such language, but what we have up there now is not only inadequate but misleading. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:58, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
      • Propose changing the blurb to state "the smallest known prehistoric dinosaur." - Indefensible (talk) 22:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
        • The best thing to do would be to say "non-avian dinosaur" if we absolutely must make such a modification; it is correct and the least awkward of the options. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 22:46, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak pull. It’s not even clear from the article whether this discovery is a dinosaur, a lizard, or a bird. The blurb is unequivocal that it’s a dinosaur. 2607:FEA8:1DDF:FEE1:B9B7:3132:6C2D:910 (talk) 20:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Implicitly we recognize its a theory by those that wrote the paper, its not an absolute and will never be able to be proven but we are relying on the fact it was published in Nature a top-level peer-review journal that the conclusion that it likely was in the dinosaur group to be a reasonably accepted theory. --Masem (t) 20:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
As an editor from the dinosaur project, I have no strong objections to this wording (since it is, after all, the reported conclusion of the paper, and the controversy cannot be summarized in one sentence). However, I disagree with your reasoning, Masem. To quote palaeontologist Mike Taylor, "the venue of its publication tells us nothing useful about the quality of a paper". One only needs to look to Andrew Wakefield's Lancet paper for a clear example. Even in the domain of palaeontology, the majority of text written for Nature and Science articles gets dumped into the online supplementary information, which is reviewed much less rigorously. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 00:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I created the article and I have to say that the identification of the skull as avialan (bird) is very questionable. Many paleontologists have argued for an interpretation of the skull as a lizard both informally and formally, in the case of researchers at the IVPP in Beijing. The academic integrity of the primary author is also under scrutiny. We should not advertise a work as controversial as this on the front page. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 02:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Misleading blurb. Pavlor (talk) 07:27, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pulled with regret as there seems to be agreement that the blurb is misleading. Please discuss if it can be reposted with a different blurb — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:55, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Please note that there is now a preprint (not yet peer-reviewed) of a scientific paper formally rejecting an avian identity for Oculudentavis: [16] Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:18, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) 2020 stock market crashEdit

Duplication of the March 16 ITNC as well as in the banner coverage. --Masem (t) 02:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2020 stock market crash (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least one benchmark stock market index in each of the G7 and in 14 of the G20 have fallen into bear markets as part a global stock market crash that began on 20 February 2020.
News source(s): Asia-Pacific3-16-2020 Europe3-16-2020 U.S.
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Significant ongoing global stock market crash related to COVID-19 pandemic. CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 02:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Previously I would have supported this, but now it is indirectly covered by the "Impact" link in the coronavirus box I think. There are also 2 Closed nominations visible below related to this same article. - Indefensible (talk) 02:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Euro Cup and Copa America has been postponedEdit

No consensus to post, everything is getting postponed. --Tone 12:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: UEFA Euro 2020 (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The UEFA Euro 2020 and the 2020 Copa America football tournaments have been postponed until summer of 2021 amid COVID-19 fears.
News source(s): Euro 2020 postponed for a year by Uefa because of coronavirus crisis
Nominator's comments: It's official: The Euro 2020 and the Copa America have officially been postponed until summer of 2021. 2607:FB90:5E9E:19AE:7DFF:684C:DC10:E7FC (talk) 03:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose The NBA postponement failed and this appears roughly equivalent. In any event we have the coronavirus banner and this doesn't appear to warrant its own blurb. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 03:54, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose The only sporting event at this point that would be news if postponed would be the Olympics as the top event across multiple sports and countries representing the scale of the issue. --Masem (t) 04:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose + a couple of comments Too narrow a perspective, in commenting on just one sport. But at least, unlike the NBA, this is international competition. And to the OP, "summer" is a bad descriptor of a calendar time. Several of the Copa America teams come from places in the southern hemisphere, where summer runs from December to March. I doubt that's what you meant. HiLo48 (talk) 04:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose probably more newsworthy to find an international tournament that hasn't been affected by Covid-19. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

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March 17Edit

Business and economy
Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

Sophie WilmèsEdit

Articles: Sophie Wilmès (talk, history) and Belgium (talk, history)
Blurb: Belgium forms a government led by caretaker prime minister Sophie Wilmès (pictured), the country's first female head of government.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Notable change of government leadership. Article is a bit short, but may be good enough for posting as-is. - Indefensible (talk) 01:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

  • The day after that she was sworn in. is uncited but otherwise I support. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 02:11, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
She's been prime minister for nearly half a year...? Ivar the Boneful (talk) 02:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
You are right, I think the difference is that she was only a caretaker previously but now is not just a caretaker. Might still be notable enough to post, would probably need to update the blurb. - Indefensible (talk) 03:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Updated the blurb per the above. - Indefensible (talk) 04:57, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Betty WilliamsEdit

Article: Betty Williams (peace activist) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 1976 Nobel Peace Prize winner. Article currently has an orange banner and could use light cleanup / a couple more refs, but is close to post-worthy I think. Nominating for visibility to improve & post. - Indefensible (talk) 04:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose per nom Kees08 (Talk) 17:37, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Article updated, left a single cn tag but should meet the requirements now. Kees08 (Talk), please review again. - Indefensible (talk) 00:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted though one citation needed tag was added, if any of @Indefensible, Ghmyrtle, and TDKR Chicago 101: are able to take a look. Additionally, the Bush comment comes out of nowhere and should probably be expanded or deleted per WP:UNDUE and WP:BLP policies. Also not sure if the Declaration of the Peace People text would be considered a copyvio; my instinct says yes but perhaps there is an exception I am not thinking of. If it is give me a ping on the talk and I can revdel as needed. Kees08 (Talk) 19:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Early human mammoth bone structureEdit

Article: Kostyonki-Borshchyovo archaeological complex (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Archaeologists discover evidence of one of the largest structures made by early humans ca. 40,000 years ago from the bones of about 60 woolly mammoths at the Kostyonki-Borshchyovo archaeological complex.
News source(s): NYTimes, Antiquity (peer reviewed paper)
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: This could be expaned upon more in the target article, but it is definitely is in the news with the journal publication. Masem (t) 15:56, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment The History section is currently orange-tagged. Brandmeistertalk 19:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose, this has been known about for years. In fact, they've had time to build a museum on top of it. Also, since nobody knows why the structure was made, it is hard to see how it has any "impact" on the field of archeology or anything else. It is in the news only because it turns out to be older then they thought before. Abductive (reasoning) 00:22, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose rather trivial and not as important as the oldest modern bird. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 01:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Thai ThanhEdit

Article: Thai Thanh (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Tuoi Tre
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 20th century Vietnamese singer. One of the foremost singers of the 'New Music' period (WWII onwards). I am expanding it further Bumbubookworm (talk) 03:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

RD: Eduard LimonovEdit

Article: Eduard Limonov (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Reuters,New York Times, RFE/RL, RT
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Prominent Russian writer and controversary politician. VanHelsing.16 (talk) 20:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose needs plenty more referencing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • I've added a number of references and removed some unsourced statements. The article still leaves much to be desired, but I believe it is satisfactory VanHelsing.16 (talk) 12:23, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Controversial but notable person. Support. TarzanASG (talk) 08:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
    • For example Kommersant says: "Obituaries are supposed to tell about the biography of the deceased — but the life of Eduard Limonov is already known to every Russian person". [17] TarzanASG (talk) 09:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Literary work needs citations, and the 'ographies. Also BLP information needs cited in Jail and protest activities, 2001–2013. Could be others, that is a lot of work. Kees08 (Talk) 19:58, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Peter WhittinghamEdit

There is currently no confirmation of death in an unambiguously reliable source. This can be re-opened or renominated if/when that changes. Thryduulf (talk) 10:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Peter Whittingham (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): EuroWeekly News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Professional athlete from the UK. Article has a few cn tags which should be easily resolved, but otherwise looks well-referenced. - Indefensible (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Wait. There is no confirmation of this on BBC Sport's Cardiff City page, on Cardiff City's website or social media, or any local press. Just a minor English-diaspora newspaper in Spain citing tweets. This is completely unacceptable, and if I had a confirmed account I'd revert the news of his "death". 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:A121:F6B1:502B:6CB1 (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Until there's any news here, don't believe it [18] 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:A121:F6B1:502B:6CB1 (talk) 20:16, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
This seems like the right direction, did not realize there was an issue with the source. Thank you for pointing out the issue. Recommend registering for a Wiki account regardless. - Indefensible (talk) 20:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait I haven't reverted this yet because I believe EWN to be a reasonably reliable source (and for other reasons). If true, then Support (I've fixed all the CN tags in the article). Black Kite (talk) 20:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Thanks for addressing the cn tags Black Kite. The article should be good to go quality-wise if there is confirmation I think, although hopefully the subject will be able to say that the news is greatly exaggerated. - Indefensible (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Hm. The Wales Online story has disappeared. I am guessing that this is sadly true but is waiting for family to be informed before being released, but for the time being I have reverted (and semi-protected) the article. Black Kite (talk) 20:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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RD: Stuart WhitmanEdit

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 17:25, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Stuart Whitman (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter, Mirror, NY Daily News
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Oscar nominated actor. The article is big, but needs work. SirEdimon (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose agreed, needs some work. Kees08 (Talk) 17:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Pilar LunaEdit

Article: Pilar Luna (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Milenio (Spanish), El Universal (Spanish)
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Nominator's comments: Underwater archaeology pioneer from Mexico, 2011 J. C. Harrington Award winner. - Indefensible (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Black Monday stock market crashEdit

Consensus is not in favour of posting this or similar single-day stock market stories at the present time. Thryduulf (talk) 18:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2020 stock market crash#16 March (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Stock markets see their worst day since 1987, with the Dow dropping by 12.9% and the S&P/ASX 200 dropping by 9.7%.
News source(s): BBC (for Dow) CNBC (for S&P)
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Nominator's comments: I know it's coronavirus news, even stock-market–related corona news, but this is a big deal. Today was worse then Black Thursday 1929; the only day worse than today was in 1987. Drops this this may however be a recurring event this year so this might be better suited to ongoing. S&P is the largest drop ever; unsure how to specify "worst since 1987 in the US and worst ever elsewhere" in the blurb.  Nixinova  T  C   03:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Nominating single days has become nonsensical. This can only be covered in summary form when things settle down. HiLo48 (talk) 03:25, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now it is certainly a big deal, but hard to cover in the midst. For what it's worth this was about as bad as 1929 in terms of percentage - the raw numbers are just way worse because the marker started higher this time. -- a lainsane (channel two) 03:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose As I pointed out below, someone needs to make a summary page "Impacts of the coronavirus pandemic" that hits the impacts on financial, economic and other sectors beyond the medical and governmental responses, linking in this stock market crash alongside pages like Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on cinema and Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on aviation, which we can then add to the new banner as "Impact", which would cover all future such news. --Masem (t) 04:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Per earlier comment(s), the blurb should be generalized I think to state something about being in a bear market or the bull market ending, that way it does not need to keep being bumped each time. Or maybe put it in Ongoing as Master of Time suggested. The stock market is a sufficiently different field that it can be posted on its own in my opinion. - Indefensible (talk) 04:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • As I mentioned earlier today (or I guess what would be yesterday for some people) at the end of the previous section dedicated to the stock market (which Indefensible appropriately referenced), this should be added to ongoing if nothing else, since it acknowledges this very current event while bypassing issues of "how does this compare to 1929," "why should we single out a specific day," etc. I would have nominated it myself, but I'm not sure if nominating for "ongoing" is a thing. Master of Time (talk) 04:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
    • For future reference, it is a thing. See: Template:ITN candidate. For ongoing, there is an "ongoing" flag that just has to be set to "add" instead of putting a blurb. - Indefensible (talk) 04:56, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all. It was good that we posted earlier days, but I fear with some reason that the stock market might fall even further the longer this goes on, and we have the banner for a reason. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 05:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Unfortunately, I think we can now take it that each new market opening will be a bit disastrous... Black Mondays for this week, and that week, and all the weeks! When and if that does happen, there's already 'impact' in the coronavirus banner, which could be switched out for 'death of trade market'. Kingsif (talk) 12:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Financial markets are inherently variable, especially these days. Ergo, single-day market news goes stale FAST. (We might consider an end-of-the-week story on Fri./Sat., though.)
    Suggest snow – to avoid another pointless 3,000-word discussion. – Sca (talk) 13:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Sagamihara stabbings sentenceEdit

Close as nominator - consensus that it's not notable enough relating to the whole event. Kingsif (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Sagamihara stabbings (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Satoshi Uematsu, the perpetrator of the 2016 Sagamihara stabbings, where he murdered 19 disabled people, is sentenced to death in Yokohama.
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Big conviction in the legal proceedings, all in the event article. Nominating partially as a request for some non-coronavirus news. Kingsif (talk) 22:59, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • There is only a single line currently in the article about this event. Given that the blurb and its referenced content are roughly the same amount of information, not sure this is appropriate to post to the frontpage of a major encyclopedia. - Indefensible (talk) 23:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: We posted the initial event on ITN. Not sure that a later sentencing is as notable at this point. SpencerT•C 00:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per the two comments above, I don't think the sentencing is notable in itself. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 01:17, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I'm likewise in the mood for some non-coronavirus news, but that's for the Slovenian government blurb below. I doubt the actual execution would be worthy of a blurb, much less this sentence. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 05:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per previous comments. – Sca (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Canada closes borderEdit

This will not gain consensus to post now that the coronavirus banner is up.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: So many things are happening that it's hard to pick one, but this is major event with a nice related list. Assuming that the EU passes similar restrictions tomorrow as expected, I would suggest that it be added then. Featous (talk) 19:39, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose it's just one of a plethora of border closures, and is in no way special. Let's get the Covid-19 banner up and running to cover this.... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:41, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    Good news, the Covid-19 banner is up! This nom should now be closed. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - as above. Several countries have done it or are in the process of doing it, so not great to focus on just one. - SchroCat (talk) 19:50, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose good faith nom. This is just the latest in a long list of events, any of which in normal times would be a "shoo-in" for ITN. Alas these are not normal times and things that would once have been considered unthinkable are now happening near daily. I believe we will shortly be adding a banner to the ITN section for the latest updates on the COVID-19 pandemic. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - But can still be addressed as the current blurb could be updated (if kept) to note multiple lockdowns led by Italy. - Indefensible (talk) 20:31, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose the EU also announced border closures today - that's a lot more borders with a lot less physical borders than Canada has, which would be more notable if not for the fact every country seems to be isolating. That would be the blurb, though the banner seems to make it a little redundant. Kingsif (talk) 22:35, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose border closures are happening everywhere. Malaysia, EU, Australia also are having their borders closed. robertsky (talk) 01:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Roy HuddEdit

Article: Roy Hudd (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: British comedian The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:21, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - SchroCat (talk) 13:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:08, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Fully sourced. ready.BabbaQ (talk) 14:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support nice short article with plenty of references Joseywales1961 (talk) 14:34, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Good to go.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:38, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 16:10, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    Beat me to it! Though I was going to ask if "GRO: June 1936 2a 883 Croydon – Roy Hudd, mmn = Barham" is a valid citation? Kees08 (Talk) 16:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

RD: Vittorio GregottiEdit

Article: Vittorio Gregotti (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Guardian/AFP
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Italian architect who designed the Barcelona 1992 Olympics stadium renovation; died of coronavirus. Article could be expanded greatly with a translation of the Italian Wikipedia entry. SounderBruce 04:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Record low US box officeEdit

Good faith nomination, but consensus (WP:SNOW) is against posting. While major for the industry, it is a small part of the overall global economic slowdown caused by the pandemic. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 06:23, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on cinema (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The United States weekend box office suffers a 22-year low in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic.
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Nominator's comments: I know it is US-based (not sure if we can get global stats) and has no scratch on the loss of life, but this is a giant hit for an entire industry - a hit that is ongoing, but this weekend loss is an individual ITN-worthy event in that Kingsif (talk) 18:57, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Its the global box office that is down, and there are much much much much much more serious concerns related to COVID that would be in ITN before stuff like this. --Masem (t) 19:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Too small a story in the scheme of things this year. I doubt this would even get to be put in the proposed coronavirus-specific section.  Nixinova  T  C   19:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Reopening While I don't dispute it's not fantastic, I seriously question Tone closing this after 20 minutes. Even more views on why it shouldn't be posted would be at least useful in working out where the ITN-worthy lines for A. coronavirus blurbs and B. movie industry news are. Kingsif (talk) 00:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support it is a pretty big deal, the US movie industry has effects that extend into pretty much every country in the world. Plus, at this point it'll bump off the Pritzker Prize, and simce that's been up for 12 days, some random guy in Ohio eating a cheeseburger today would be a bigger story. 1779Days (talk) 00:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Snow Oppose Tone was correct in his speedy close. With everything going on in the world, and I'm talking just in the last 24 hrs, this is almost trivial. There is not the slightest chance this will be posted, nor should it be. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:18, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
P.S. On reflection my above oppose sounds a tad sharp. While I remain strongly opposed to posting, I don't want to give the impression that I am suggesting the nomination was anything other than one made in good faith. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I understood you, but thanks for clarifying. My reason for reopening, as said, wasn't necessarily to get it posted, but to hear some discussion, though that seems to have been fruitless, there's just a lot of 'no'. Kingsif (talk) 04:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose this is just one of many ramifications of coronavirus. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose Nowhere near important enough based on all the other COVID stuff that is getting more priority Bumbubookworm (talk) 01:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Snow Oppose - No one cares about this right now.--WaltCip (talk) 02:20, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all. This is a fairly trivial part of the coronavirus pandemic's fallout. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 04:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    • As for the intention of this nomination, I'm of the opinion that only events that warrant blurbs without coronavirus (stock market crashes and changes of heads of government, for example) and the pandemic itself would warrant a blurb with it. Given that the NBA season story was voted down, I would say that that might be a permissive limit. I don't think that a 22-year low in the box office (which is quite frankly not that long a time), only in America (but even globally) would warrant a blurb if it just happened for no reason, and it's not blurb-worthy even with the coronavirus IMO. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 04:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Chris ReedEdit

Article: Chris Reed (figure skater) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Japan Times, NBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ten-time Japanese national champion, Olympian, Four Continents bronze medalist. JuneGloom07 Talk 17:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Not ready yet I think, many statements lack a supporting reference. - Indefensible (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Article sections are now sourced. - JuneGloom07 Talk 20:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Already marked Ready, but article looks well-referenced now per the above. - Indefensible (talk) 21:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 23:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Genesis P-OrridgeEdit

Article: Genesis P-Orridge (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Guardian, Pitchfork
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Artist known for COUM Transmissions, Psychic TV, Throbbing Gristle. A few CN tags, but otherwise well-referenced. Spengouli (talk) 23:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment I don't think I'm qualified knowledgeably enough to claim that an article passes all qualifications for featured articles, but I do want to add that Genesis was crucial to the advent of Industrial music. In fact the genre was named for the label s/he helped create, Industrial Records with her band Throbbing Gristle. JanderVK (talk) 01:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Article is in good shape, pioneer in industrial music, etc. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment It is a long article but going through it now to verify it is ready to post (in case any other admin was working on this). Kees08 (Talk) 15:30, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
    There are a couple of citations needed, I could let it go for an article of this length but at least the marriage needs verified. That and the discography need verified prior to posting. Kees08 (Talk) 17:39, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
    Just the discog needs cited now, courtesy ping to Spengouli Kees08 (Talk) 18:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Pitchfork?Sca (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose mostly fine, but the discog and the reference seem at odds with one another at the moment. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - A couple cn tags, but overall meets the minimum requirements I think. If the discography section is an issue, propose just removing the problematic items. - Indefensible (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted - I've removed the discography, because most of it isn't actually a solo discography anyway. Black Kite (talk) 19:20, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

RD: Gustavo BebiannoEdit

Article: Gustavo Bebianno (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): O Globo UOL Notícias
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ex-Secretary-General of the Presidency. Important person for the Bolsonaro government and one of the first Bolsonaro administration cabinet membersArionEstar (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

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