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For your help with April 21, 2005 Stubsensor cleanup project you are hereby given the Stubsensor award.
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This PSY is awarded for being polite, courteous, and extremely helpful to myself and other users, and as such bieng a blessing for good mental health. Awarded by PhatePunk 22:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
For your excellent contributions to Wikipedia - it is those little things that make all the difference :-) --HappyCamper 20:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I am giving you this banner star for all of your work at WP:RFD - Tideflat (talk) 01:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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is hereby awarded to Thryduulf for all the work put into contributing at Redirects for Discussion and maintaining the navigational parts of the project. Quiet background work that very few see, yet it has a great effect on the projects readers! Thanks for your work in the area, Taelus (talk) 23:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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is hereby awarded to you, Thryduulf, for closing nearly an entire page of discussions, but more importantly, for all of the other thankless jobs that you do. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to echo these thanks, as I think we are some of the only admins who set foot in RfD these days :P. Thanks for helping with the backlog, all the best. --Taelus (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Fair and Helpful
Thank you so much for helping me with an article (I'm a beginner.) I have no idea what I'm doing but you helped to keep my article up after it was deleted. You also checked back up on it when the references were deleted, I just checked and saw you even helped me on listing them too, I wasn't sure how to do that either. Anyway, thank you. :] Ohthegunsofbrixton (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
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For exhibiting rational judgement on a certain list which caused considerable overreaction and worse case scenario concerns. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:07, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your (re)-explanation of why it [the Selby Wall redirect] was pointing where it was and why it should point to where it's now pointing Tonywalton Talk 00:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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I hereby award User:Thryduulf this shiny Redirect Barnstar for their excellent work at WP:RFD. Lenticel (talk) 08:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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The Technical Barnstar
For your unfailing patience and kindness dealing with VisualEditor related problems and the users struggling with them :). (also for the fantastic car analogy). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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I appreciate I already gave you a barnstar for it, but I've just looked at the feedback page for the first time since stepping off my flight, and wow: you deserve another one :). Thanks for all you've done for the VE project thus far. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
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The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
For sterling work above and beyond the call of duty at WP:VE/F. You're always there, logging defects, updating replies and always with politeness and calm. NtheP (talk) 09:51, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you for quality pictures uploaded, for nominating to the news, for taking care of redirects and projects, for helpful proposals and thinking of options ("I can think of at least two options"), - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Yay! You're here at the [Wikimedia UK] office! Katherine Bavage (WMUK) (talk) 15:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
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Survey King!
You put absolutely hours of work into [the WMUK Members' Survey] and I am so so grateful! Really looking forward to finding out what worked and what didn't and making the results useful to the chapter! Thank you so much! Katherine Bavage (WMUK) (talk) 12:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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Arbitration Committee cases are inherently complicated matters. That your analysis of the case resulted in a suggestion widely accepted by participants and arbitrators alike, demonstrates it to be a brilliant idea. Congratulations! MarshalN20 | Talk 14:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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Y'know what...
...Here's a barnstar. Consider this a token of my appreciation, on behalf of the project as a whole, for your contributions to this RfC, and for summarising a horribly complicated discussion into something that people could understand (and which slightly lessened my headache in closing it!). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for the MASSIVE amount of work and time you put into the 2013 Membership Survey. It's really excellent and I hope its something [WMUK] builds on :-) Katherine Bavage (WMUK) (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you very much for all your hard work on Wikipedia Takes UCL last week. It was an event from which we've taken many lessons and I believe that a good number of people had a very positive experience from it thanks to you and the team you managed to coordinate. Here's to the next one! ToniSant (talk) 08:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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Chris, I'm indebted to you for your help at the Marjon event. Gil asked me to pass on her thanks in particular for your "excellent and clear explanations of the technical aspects of copyright". Next time I'm looking for helpers for an event, you'll be top of my list. Thanks again, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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For your extra effort in providing photos for an article that another Wikipedian is working on. Exemplary teamwork! Face-smile.svg w.carter-Talk 17:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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I've got to say, I've seen your comments about the place and you seem one of the more "rational observers" (if you'll pardon the pun) on the site. I think you have a good head on your shoulders. I wish others were like you! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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Your diligent work in the area of redirect categorization and improvement is duly recognized and greatly appreciated. You are truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia, and we hope you continue to enjoy your improvement of this awesome encyclopedia! For your well-thought, detailed, and infuriatingly reasonable close here. Well done once again. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:32, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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Congratulations making WP:EFH legit. JudeccaXIII (talk) 18:13, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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For your excellent work on Sean Hughes' biography. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:23, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


J'aime aller a la pecheEdit

For entertainment, a Napoleonic marching song - J'aime l'oignon frît à l'huile.

(It may be time to do some archiving, your Talk Page is getting laggy.) Narky Blert (talk) 18:45, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: I'll take a look at that video after I've done some archiving. Then I'll try and figure out why the awards are taking up the top of the page rather than being a side bar... Thryduulf (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
You might like Template:Barnometer as a less flamboyant way of bragging. Narky Blert (talk) 23:25, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
They used to be (and should still be) in a narrow column on the right hand side of the page so they are not flamboyant. Unfortunately at some point the code that did this has stopped working and I can't figure out why or how to get it to work again. I've asked at the help desk for assistance from someone more skilled than me. Thryduulf (talk) 23:28, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
I like all peaches too. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:10, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
@Redrose64: This is about liking fishing! Thryduulf (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
I know... thirty-some years ago we referred to the equipment as a "can of peaches". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:06, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Sources needed for Days of the Year pagesEdit

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. I've gone ahead and added a source to back up your recent addition to September 30. Please try to find sources for additions to these pages as the burden to provide them is on the editor who adds or restores material to these pages. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Geoffrey HayesEdit

 On 1 October 2018, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Geoffrey Hayes, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Black Kite (talk) 00:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Geoffrey Hayes imageEdit

The copyright warning you placed on File:Geoffrey Hayes.jpg claims that there is "no evidence of attempts to find a freely licensed image". Short of videoing myself diligently searching on CC Search and Google images (which I just did this morning), I don't see how I can satisfy that burden of proof. Suffice to say: I looked, I couldn't find anything. Cnbrb (talk) 10:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

What else have you done to see if there was a freely licensed image or an image that could be changed to be freely licensed? Have you enquired anywhere whether people have photos of him not yet uploaded would be willing to do so under a free license? If they had been dead 10 years that would be different, but the presumption that a freely licensed image is or could be available doesn't magically end at the moment of death - it gradually fades over a period of years. You also have not addressed the second point at all - we don't use free use images for simple identification. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Having to wait 10 years before posting an image of a deceased person is a new one on me. I haven't seen that rule on Wikipedia, but maybe I've missed something. I researched free images as described above, but no, I haven't contacted individual people. Should I be writing to Thames TV? Does Wikipedia actually expect editors to go to those lengths? I consider my efforts a reasonable level of research; I drew a blank and uploaded in WP:good faith.
On your second point, I think you mean non-free images? And if we don't use non-free use images for simple identification, why does the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard offer that option? "This is an historic portrait of a person no longer alive. This is an historic photograph or other depiction of a person who is no longer alive. It will be used as the primary means of visual identification of that person in the article about them." Is it just setting editors up for a fall? Cnbrb (talk) 10:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Six months is typically what we'd wait before uploading images of people before they're cold. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:03, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you - well at least I have some sort of guideline now. I'll try to remember in future. Cnbrb (talk) 11:11, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I've complained previously about that upload wizard option. Yes it is setting people up for a fail if they use it for people who are only just dead - it should have a note that six months post-mortem is about the earliest you will get away with, but it depends how prominent the person was, how recent they were active in public, where they were (someone living in central London is more likely to have been photographed than someone living on a private island in the Seychelles or a village in the Democratic Republic of the Congo or someone who was in prison for the last 25 years of their life). Geoffrey Hayes only retired a few years ago, was living in the UK and right until the end he spoke of still being recognised - did nobody take his photograph? By all accounts he was a very nice and friendly person so would likely have posted if asked - especially when doing shows. Have you enquired whether the copyright owner of this photograph on Twitter will release the photo under a free license? Find that took less than 5 minutes, so there are likely others out there that are less easy to find. Maybe his agent will release a photo under a free license if asked a respectful time after the funeral. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
OK i take the point. It would just be nice to have some more reliable Wikipedia guidelines to that effect. WP:NFCI makes no mention of a reasonable timescale after death. At the moment, it's far too easy for a good faith addition to Wikipedia like this to be result in a rap over the knuckles, which is bound to put off newbies (fortunately I've been around for years so I know the score). Perhaps you might consider inputting your views into getting the guidelines updated so it's a bit clearer. Go ahead and delete Geoffrey. I'll, er, zip up now. Cnbrb (talk) 11:47, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
I completely agree with you about the guidelines, but I've long given up trying to get anything related to fair use images changed to make things clearer for anyone who isn't intimately familiar with our polices and guidelines in the area. I do enough shouting in to the darkness in favour of readers and new users at RfD, I don't have the energy to do it there too, sorry. Thryduulf (talk) 11:59, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Thryduulf, FYI: Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 69#Images of deceased persons, now a formal RfC. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – October 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2018).

  Administrator changes

  BgwhiteHorsePunchKidJ GrebKillerChihuahuaRami RWinhunter

  Interface administrator changes

  Cyberpower678Deryck ChanOshwahPharosRagesossRitchie333

  Oversight changes

  Guerillero NativeForeigner SnowolfXeno

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • Partial blocks should be available for testing in October on the Test Wikipedia and the Beta-Cluster. This new feature allows admins to block users from editing specific pages and in the near-future, namespaces and uploading files. You can expect more updates and an invitation to help with testing once it is available.
  • The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team is currently looking for input on how to measure the effectiveness of blocks. This is in particular related to how they will measure the success of the aforementioned partial blocks.
  • Because of a data centre test, you will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia projects for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time.


  • The Arbitration Committee has, by motion, amended the procedure on functionary inactivity.
  • The community consultation for 2018 CheckUser and Oversight appointments has concluded. Appointments will be made by October 11.
  • Following a request for comment, the size of the Arbitration Committee will be decreased to 13 arbitrators, starting in 2019. Additionally, the minimum support percentage required to be appointed to a two-year term on ArbCom has been increased to 60%. ArbCom candidates who receive between 50% and 60% support will be appointed to one-year terms instead.
  • Nominations for the 2018 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission are being accepted until 12 October. These are the editors who help run the ArbCom election smoothly. If you are interested in volunteering for this role, please consider nominating yourself.

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Taiwan stations)Edit

Please comment on Talk:USATC S160 ClassEdit

Please see my comment there. Tony May (talk) 10:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: September 2018Edit

  • Albania report: Collections of Museums in Albania
  • Armenia report: GLAM+Wikidata
  • Australia report: WikiTour AU
  • Brazil report: Developing tGLAM: a landing-page generator for GLAM initiatives
  • France report: European Heritage Days; Linked data for archaeology; Paris: Edit-a-thon at Mobilier National
  • Germany report: History of Women and Democracy, Wikipedia-Culture-Ambassadors and two GLAM-on-Tour-stations in just four weeks
  • Macedonia report: Wiki camps in Macedonia
  • Malaysia report: Wikipedia for Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museum
  • Mexico report: Open GLAM Mexico 2018
  • Netherlands report: >20,000 press photographs 1940-1990 uploaded, GLAM Wiki Meeting, Aerial Photographs, GLAM-Wiki Manual & Wikipedia Course for Historical Societies
  • Norway report: Women in Red; Researhers Days 2018; The 2019 edition of #wikinobel
  • Poland report: Archival photographs and literary knowledge enrich Polish Wikipedia
  • Serbia report: Impact of GLAM seminars: Decentralization of GLAM activities
  • Sweden report: Wikidata P3595 Biografiskt lexikon för Finland; Student Project at the Nordic Museum; Learning about sources on Swedish Wikipedia
  • UK report: Botanical illustrations and Wiki Loves Monuments in Scotland
  • USA report: Back to school
  • Wikipedia Library report: Books & Bytes–Issue 30, August–September 2018
  • Wikidata report: Wikidata Tour Down Under
  • Calendar: October's GLAM events
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sourcesEdit

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources. Legobot (talk) 04:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


You’ve left the Soyuz pic but removed the blurb. Stephen 10:13, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

What's the procedure for this? Thryduulf (talk) 10:15, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Remove the image, no suitable picture that I can see, so image-free ITN. Stephen 10:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Done, sorry about that. Thryduulf (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
No problem. Actually, are you OK with protecting a satellite image of Leslie, and using that? I’m on mobile otherwise I’d help. Stephen
Or if you’re not confident in that, you may want to re-add the last removed item for balance. Stephen 10:24, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I've uploaded the hurricane image. The right side of the page is already longer than the left, but this seems mostly due to a large OTD box. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, the image helps balance. Thanks for adding it, I made a couple of tweaks you may want to check. Stephen 10:34, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Chicago Fire redirect recreationEdit

I'm not sure you saw the rationale that @Tavix: used when deleting the redirects that you created, but hey were initially created by a sockpuppet of a blocked user. Anything that a blocked user creates via sockpuppetry should be deleted. Local consensus should not overrule block evasion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: I'm not sure you saw the part of my rationale where I stated that Anyone in good standing may recreate. The block evasion has been taken care of by my deletion of the redirects, but it doesn't preclude someone else from creating what they see as a valid redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 20:22, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Walter Görlitz: Firstly pages created by users in violation of a ban may (not must) be deleted. Secondly, as Tavix explicitly noted in his closing summary, any editor in good standing is free to recreate content that was deleted because of its author. The consensus of the discussion was clearly that these are good redirects, but if you disagree strongly then nominate them at RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I saw and wholeheartedly disagree. I have had this argument before and just give up debating it, but you've just made a sockmaster happy by having him get his way. I expect absolutely no action from you because you are chanting the "redirects are cheap" mantra. If you don't agree, fine. I hope you buy another sociopath a cup of coffee to make their day they way you've made this sockmaster's day. No need to ping me to reply, I disagree with your position as much as you disagree with mine. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:30, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't think that's a fair assumption to make since the sockpuppet didn't create the redirects outright, they were the result of a couple of page moves. The sockpuppet wanted the title of Chicago Fire Soccer Club to be Chicago Fire (soccer club), but they didn't get what they wanted since the article was moved right back. -- Tavix (talk) 20:36, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Woodhead, Hamilton, ScotlandEdit

Hi, with regard to the above, I created a multiple merge proposal for several unreferenced stub articles of neighbourhoods in Hamilton. The IP user (nothing to do with me) did the merge a month later, I know that's considered a bit soon for such actions but given the minimal activity on the article it was unlikely that anyone was going to look at it and bring it up to scratch so I was happy enough. There was nothing added to the parent article as the Woodhead information was trivial (it has houses of uncertain age, a pub and a bus route) as well as unsourced, it would not add anything of value. Could you please review this and either restore the merge or give me a shout explaining why it shouldn't happen. Thanks. Crowsus (talk) 14:57, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

@Crowsus: I have no opinion on whether the merge should or should not happen. My focus was on cleaning up the mess left by the IP user who redirected a couple of dozen articles (of various lengths and qualities) with an edit summary that indicated content had been merged. However in no case had any content been merged, so the edit summary was misleading and information was lost from the encyclopaedia. If there has been no opposition to a merge advertised on both pages after a decent time (circa three months should be fine, obviously you don't need to wait that long if there is active support for a merge) then go ahead and perform the merge (remembering to correctly attribute the content, see WP:MERGETEXT). If there is no information to merge, then make it clear that what you doing is redirecting not merging. Thryduulf (talk) 17:02, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
OK no problem thanks, I'll leave it til the end of the year and then (assuming no change) redirect; I think some of the other articles had a bit more info (but not enough for standalone article) so if adding into Hamilton will add+attribute for as appropriate. Crowsus (talk) 21:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN researchEdit

Thanks for doing such a good and objective job there. Not only does it inform the current discussion, but it provides really useful evidence should this ongoing silliness rear its head again. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. I intend to complete September so there is a full month to refer to, and if I get time, work backwards from there too. I don't plan on doing October until there is a bit of distance for objectivity. Thryduulf (talk) 19:09, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Cool, it's so much better to have objective evidence than just instinctive reaction to rely upon. Keep up the great work, much appreciated. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Editing News #2—2018Edit

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Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has wrapped up most of their work on the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual diff tool. The team has begun investigating the needs of editors who use mobile devices. Their work board is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are fixing bugs and improving mobile editing.

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  • The Editing team wants to improve visual editing on the mobile website. Please read their ideas and tell the team what you think would help editors who use the mobile site.
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Administrators' newsletter – November 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • Partial blocks is now available for testing on the Test Wikipedia. The new functionality allows you to block users from editing specific pages. Bugs may exist and can be reported on the local talk page or on Meta. A discussion regarding deployment to English Wikipedia will be started by community liaisons sometime in the near future.
  • A user script is now available to quickly review unblock requests.
  • The 2019 Community Wishlist Survey is now accepting new proposals until November 11, 2018. The results of this survey will determine what software the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Tech team will work on next year. Voting on the proposals will take place from November 16 to November 30, 2018. Specifically, there is a proposal category for admins and stewards that may be of interest.


  • Eligible editors will be invited to nominate themselves as candidates in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 4 until November 13. Voting will begin on November 19 and last until December 2.
  • The Arbitration Committee's email address has changed to arbcom-en Other email lists, such as functionaries-en and clerks-l, remain unchanged.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


Hi Thryduulf, could you please please please consider running for ArbCom again? We really need people like you on the committee, and you were an excellent, fair, knowledgeable, no-drama Arb. Please consider serving again. Right now there are only three people running to fill six positions (and only one of them is an admin). The deadline for nominations is a few days from now. Thank you, Softlavender (talk) 11:11, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I hadn't really considered it this year, but will think again. Thryduulf (talk) 12:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: October 2018Edit

  • Belgium report: Erbstuecke edit-a-thon; Women in Tech edit-a-thon; Wiki Club Brussels; Wikidata workshop + party
  • Brazil report: "There is no reason not to participate in a GLAM-Wiki initiative": an interview with the director of the Museum of Veterinary Anatomy
  • Estonia report: Estonian art and geoscience collections finding their way to Commons
  • Finland report: (RE)Photographic autumn
  • France report: GLAMWiki 2018 Tel Aviv; City of Grenoble
  • Germany report: GLAMorous Conferences
  • Netherlands report: ‘More Gelders Heritage available via Wikimedia’ by Erfgoed Gelderland; Writing week Friesland; Wiki Techstorm
  • Norway report: Wiki Loves Monuments and wikinobel
  • Poland report: Heirlooms - locally and internationally
  • Serbia report: The growing GLAM
  • Sweden report: Roundtripping Project, Books Import and Wikidata Imported to SOCH
  • Switzerland report: Built heritage conservation on Commons; les sans pagEs at a Modern art museum
  • UK report: Wikidata in Oxford
  • USA report: Wikiconference North America Culture Crawl
  • WMF GLAM report: Documentation survey, Structured Data on Commons consultations, blog posts and conferences
  • Calendar: November's GLAM events
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ArbCom 2018 election voter messageEdit

 Hello, Thryduulf. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Article unblockEdit

Hiya, as I mentioned, I would like an admin to unblock the page 'Frisco (rapper)' so that I can create it with the text in my sandbox. --Jwslubbock (talk) 14:49, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@Jwslubbock: I've moved the draft to Frisco (rapper) and added some basic categories, but I don't know if more/better ones are needed. I've left the other history at your sandbox. Thryduulf (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

WMUK techiesEdit

Hi, who are the techies at wmuk:? I've left a note at wmuk:Engine room#Watchlist broken but the page doesn't seem to attract much traffic. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

An email to wikimediauk-l will probably get more (and the right) eyes on it. -- KTC (talk) 12:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
And I've just sent such an email. Thryduulf (talk) 12:58, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2018).

  Administrator changes

  Al Ameer sonRandykittySpartaz
  BosonDaniel J. LeivickEfeEsanchez7587Fred BauderGarzoMartijn HoekstraOrangemike

  Interface administrator changes

 Deryck Chan

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, the Mediation Committee is now closed and will no longer be accepting case requests.
  • A request for comment is in progress to determine whether members of the Bot Approvals Group should satisfy activity requirements in order to remain in that role.
  • A request for comment is in progress regarding whether to change the administrator inactivity policy, such that administrators "who have made no logged administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped". Currently, the policy states that administrators "who have made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped".
  • A proposal has been made to temporarily restrict editing of the Main Page to interface administrators in order to mitigate the impact of compromised accounts.

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  • In late November, an attacker compromised multiple accounts, including at least four administrator accounts, and used them to vandalize Wikipedia. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. Sharing the same password across multiple websites makes your account vulnerable, especially if your password was used on a website that suffered a data breach. As these incidents have shown, these concerns are not pure fantasies.
  • Wikipedia policy requires administrators to have strong passwords. To further reinforce security, administrators should also consider enabling two-factor authentication. A committed identity can be used to verify that you are the true account owner in the event that your account is compromised and/or you are unable to log in.


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Your statementEdit

To my knowledge, jytdog is not an administrator, don’t think he ever was one either. Your Arb request statement makes this claim.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 12:31, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@Literaturegeek: a slip of the brain that I've now corrected. Thanks for pointing it out. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


You are mentioned in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Arbitrator_BU_Rob13_at_WP:ARCA and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use. Black Kite (talk) 16:15, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

ArbCom statisticsEdit

Hello, Thryduulf,

I just stumbled across Wikipedia:Arbitration/Loci of dispute which I find fascinating but then I like to read 10 year old ArbCom cases to learn about the development of the Wikipedia community. Do you think you will be keeping this page updated? Anything I can do to help? Liz Read! Talk! 00:57, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

If you want to update it please do - it's not something I have any ownership of after all (it's in project space for a reason). It's not high on my list of priorities at the moment so I wont likely be getting back to it soon, but never say never. Thryduulf (talk) 03:44, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I understand. Just thought I'd ask you about the background of the page. We'll see if I can add anything to it from 2015-2018. Liz Read! Talk! 05:04, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Move review: Paradisus JudaeorumEdit

(sent out exact copy to all AfD participants - apologize if you are aware) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaven for the nobles, Purgatory for the townspeople, Hell for the peasants, and Paradise for the Jews which you were involved in is in discussion at Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2018 December. Input there is welcome.Icewhiz (talk) 07:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: November 2018Edit

  • Albania report: Wiki Photo Walk Albania 2018; Wiki Loves Monuments Albania
  • Armenia report: Singing Wikipedia; Photographs by Vahan Kochar
  • Brazil report: Diverse milestones for the Brazilian community
  • Denmark report: Intercontinental digitisation efforts
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  • France report: Bibliothèque publique d’information; 3D museum collections on Wikimedia Commons
  • Indonesia report: Conserving and digitizing texts in West Sumatra
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  • Norway report: Collaboration with The National Archives of Norway
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  • Poland report: Archival image uploads, student collaborations and international projects
  • Serbia report: Photo finish of the WIR's
  • Sweden report: The Swedish Performing Arts Agency; Library data starts to take shape; Learning Wikipedia at the Archives; Wikimedia Commons Data Roundtripping
  • UK report: Sum of All Astrolabes
  • USA report: Wikidata Workshop at Pratt School of Information; Wikidata Presentation for the New York Technical Services Librarians; Wikipedia Asian Month; Cleveland Park Wikipedia Edit-a-thon; Historic Ivy Hill Cemetery Workshop
  • Wikipedia Library report: Books & Bytes–Issue 31, October–November 2018
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Merry MerryEdit

  Happy Christmas!
Hello Thryduulf,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 22:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Paddy AshdownEdit

 On 23 December 2018, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Paddy Ashdown, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 23:11, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Yo Ho HoEdit

ϢereSpielChequers 23:56, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019Edit

  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Thryduulf, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Whispyhistory (talk) 08:35, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Merry ChristmasEdit

--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:02, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Thryduulf!Edit

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Administrators' newsletter – January 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).

  Guideline and policy news

  1. G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
  2. R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
  3. G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts (discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{db-blankdraft}}.

  Technical news

  • Starting on December 13, the Wikimedia Foundation security team implemented new password policy and requirements. Privileged accounts (administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, interface administrators, bots, edit filter managers/helpers, template editors, et al.) must have a password at least 10 characters in length. All accounts must have a password:
  1. At least 8 characters in length
  2. Not in the 100,000 most popular passwords (defined by the Password Blacklist library)
  3. Different from their username
User accounts not meeting these requirements will be prompted to update their password accordingly. More information is available on
  • Blocked administrators may now block the administrator that blocked them. This was done to mitigate the possibility that a compromised administrator account would block all other active administrators, complementing the removal of the ability to unblock oneself outside of self-imposed blocks. A request for comment is currently in progress to determine whether the blocking policy should be updated regarding this change.
  • {{Copyvio-revdel}} now has a link to open the history with the RevDel checkboxes already filled in.



  • Accounts continue to be compromised on a regular basis. Evidence shows this is entirely due to the accounts having the same password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately.
  • Around 22% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 20% in June 2018. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless of whether you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:39, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


I saw your complaint about polyisobutylene. "The article isn't perfect by any means - as a non-chemist it tells me almost nothing and it didn't link to either of the above targets". Here's the deal: I dont aim for perfection. My first and often my only goal is to mount something credible for experts with an authoritative reference. From such skeletal articles, we slowly add more information over timet. From the short article, a non-expert can glean that polyisobutylene (i) is a polymer (ii) made from isobutene, and (iii) somehow associated with plasticizers and adhesives. That should be enough information for 99% readers, but if you can think of something else that is needed, please say so. Thanks for making the links.--Smokefoot (talk) 11:42, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

That criticism seems to have come across more harshly than I intended, for which I apologise. I agree there is more for non-experts than I implied - thank you for starting the article. Thryduulf (talk) 11:48, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Unclosed RfDEdit

Take a look at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_December_31#Spicy_meatball. I was about to close it as No Consensus, but noticed you removed the RfD tag on December 31st, apparently having closed it as Retarget, but the discussion remained open at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 18 and was relisted by Deryck Chan (ping!). Thoughts all? ~ Amory (utc) 17:11, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@Amory: My close as retarget edit conflicted with Deryck relisting it. I asked for his opinion on his talk page but the reply came too late for me to do anything (I was mostly offline for a few days) and then I forgot about it. I wouldn't close it as retarget now, based on what has been said post-relisting but I still think there was a (weak) consensus to retarget before then but retargetting was also entirely appropriate. I don't know what the best solution is, but as no-consensus doesn't preclude a bold retargetting leaving it as and reclassifying my action as bold might work? Thryduulf (talk) 17:36, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
That works for me, good idea. I'll take care of it, thanks. ~ Amory (utc) 17:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2018Edit

  • Armenia report: Cooperation with Yerevan Drama Theatre Named After Hrachia Ghaplanian; Singing Wikipedia (continuation); Photographs by Vahan Kochar (continuation)
  • Australia report: 2019 Australia's Year of the Public Domain
  • Belgium report: Writing weeks German-speaking Community; End of year drink; Wiki Loves Heritage photo contest
  • Brazil report: Google Art and GLAM initiatives in Brazil
  • India report: Collaboration with RJVD Municipal Public Library
  • Italy report: Challenges and alliances with libraries, WLM and more
  • Macedonia report: Exhibition:"Poland through photographs" & Wikipedia lectures with children in social risk
  • Malaysia report: Technology Talk and Update on Wikipedia @ National Library of Malaysia
  • Portugal report: Glam Days '18 at the National Library of Portugal
  • Sweden report: Hats 🎩🧢👒🎓
  • UK report: Oxford
  • USA report: Holiday gatherings and visit to Internet Archive
  • Wikidata report: Wikidata reports
  • WMF GLAM report: Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons: pilot projects and multilingual captions
  • Calendar: January's GLAM events
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Since this doesn't really have anything to do with the arbitration case, I'm responding here. I've never used VisualEditor;(*) I'll presume it does a reasonable job at editing tables without disturbing hand-crafted style markup. This was a few years ago but I'll guess that VisualEditor's handling of tables has been stable for a while now. (*) My first preference is to revert undesired edits to ensure none of the desired content is touched. isaacl (talk) 20:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)



Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019

begin it with music and memories

Not too late, I hope ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Rose v Royal College of PhysiciansEdit

 On 24 January 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rose v Royal College of Physicians, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1701, the apothecary William Rose was charged with illegally practising physick on a butcher? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rose v Royal College of Physicians. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Rose v Royal College of Physicians), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:03, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019).

  Administrator changes

  Harro5Jenks24GraftR. Baley

  Interface administrator changes


  Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment is currently open to reevaluate the activity requirements for administrators.
  • Administrators who are blocked have the technical ability to block the administrator who blocked their own account. A recent request for comment has amended the blocking policy to clarify that this ability should only be used in exceptional circumstances, such as account compromises, where there is a clear and immediate need.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.

  Technical news

  • A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is in progress (permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.


  • Voting in the 2019 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2019, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2019, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
  • A new IRC bot is available that allows you to subscribe to notifications when specific filters are tripped. This requires that your IRC handle be identified.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

ARCA noticeEdit

An arbitrator has proposed a motion on a clarification request to which you are a party. It is being discussed at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#The Troubles: motion.

For the Arbitration Committee, Bradv🍁 14:21, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Re:Manchester meetupEdit

Hi! Thanks for the invitation. It sounds great! I have signed up. If you also want to have a beer before June 2019, I won't object. :) --Góngora (Talk) 04:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

June is the first time I'm likely to be in the northwest but I'm at the London and Oxford meetups most months! Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Noted. :) I will probably see you there then. We are also planning to run an edit-a-thon here at the University of Manchester library in mid-March. --Góngora (Talk) 16:48, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
@Góngora: Feel free to set up another meetup. There are Wikipedians around the north west or within easy reach (there used to be a dozen or so of us who would meet for a pint every couple of months but several of us moved away or got busy in our personal lives). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:25, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
That's a good point - if you want to set up a Manchester meet to happen before June just move the page I started to /37 and fix the links. Thryduulf (talk) 17:28, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I am a bit busy with my PhD to organise something like that (and I am already involved in the organisation of the edit-a-thon in March). I was thinking about something more informal, but thank you both for the suggestion, and thanks Thryduulf for taking the initiative. See you in June. :) --Góngora (Talk) 15:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January 2019Edit

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In case it helpsEdit

Hi Thryduulf, your statement reminds me of this case. I'm not sure if that is the case you were trying to remember though.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 10:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

That is almost certainly the one, thank you. Thryduulf (talk) 11:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for closingEdit

Thanks for closing the CRAPWATCH RFDs. They've been interfering with navigation for over half a month now. It was maddening. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:17, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

  • You're welcome. Feel free to recreate the talk page shortcuts if they're used, leaving the {{old rfd}} notes below the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 19:24, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Why, were they deleted? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Ah I see. Yeah I've updated those. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
There isn't a good way to have both a note of an old RfD discussion and a working talk page redirect. I figured that as nobody mentioned the talk pages (and had to create one anyway) I'd just put the template there and let the redirects be recreated if desired. Thryduulf (talk) 19:57, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Is that done with a script? If so, there could likely be updates made to the script. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:10, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't use scripts, so I can't say whether updates are needed or not. Thryduulf (talk) 20:13, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is notEdit

I appreciate you got an edit conflict so didn't perhaps read why I wrote above your text. But WP:NOTCENSORED is clearly in the "Encyclopedic content" and not the "Community" sections of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Perhaps you could read what I wrote, and reconsider some of what you wrote. -- Colin°Talk 21:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Ha, I got an edit conflict with you posting on the MfD. And it seems we reach similar conclusions. -- Colin°Talk 22:19, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.


  • The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
    • paid-en-wp has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive paid editing.
    • checkuser-en-wp has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February 2019Edit

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X3 proposalEdit

I suggest reading WP:CLOSE and not trying to buck the obvious. Legacypac (talk) 12:21, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

  • I am familiar with WP:CLOSE and note that the proposal is still under active discussion with points in opposition that have not been addressed by supporters. You also need to remember that editors may not remove speedy deletion templates from pages they create. Thryduulf (talk) 12:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Absolutely I can request you take it to TfD. As an Admin you should be able to assess consensus not running interference on a proposal that has passed. The template is clearly labeled as being for testing, and is needed for setting up twinkle correctly. No one is using it and no one needs to be bothered by it. Legacypac (talk) 12:36, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
As an admin I can asses consensus and can tell that the discussion has not concluded and there are concerns that have not yet been addressed. If you wish to contest the speedy deletion of a page you have created then you need to do it in the same way that every other editor: explain on the talk page why it should not be deleted. CSD criterion T2 explicitly applies to speedy deletion templates for things that are not speedy deletion criteria. Testing of CSD templates can only come after the criterion is formally approved, if it is approved. I should not be needing to explain this to someone so experienced, but it seems you are so determined to get these pages deleted you have forgotten that you must get explicit consensus to do so first. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:CenturyEdit

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Century. Legobot (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Polyisobutylene (2)Edit

Hi. The Polyisobutylene page has a RfD tag which seems to be a leftover from a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_January_6#Polyisobutene, which you started and closed, so maybe you know what to do with this one? If not, I'll open a RfD. Thanks - Nabla (talk) 19:40, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

  • @Nabla: My guess is that I meant to add it to the same RfD as Polyisobutene given they had the same target but maybe forgot? I don't have time to investigate further at the moment, but it probably is worth discussing so the best thing is probably to just overwrite my failed nomination with a new one for today, leaving a message for the Chemistry project. Thryduulf (talk) 20:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
    OK, thought so, done so (and fixed the heading as there is an equal one up in the pages, so I may link to here) - Nabla (talk) 20:30, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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