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ShetlandEdit

Thanks for checking all these tiddlers. Gluibuil does exist - just north of Vaila House, but you are right - there is only one. Ben MacDui 10:22, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm going to take it through FAR. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:53, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
OK it does exist [1][2], its just that it doesn't show up using Geograph's search tool. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:27, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
It is not named on e.g. Streetmap's OS map at 1:50,000, but is at 1:25,000 in the Wester Sound betwixt Vaila and Mainland. It's one of the complex islands that becomes two at high tides. See also here. Ben MacDui 15:07, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
I am about to go through Yell (the last section), I will list the ones that don't appear to exist at all. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:26, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Partial title matchesEdit

Last (and first) names aren't PTM's for disambiguation purposes. People are frequently referred to by just a single name, e.g. Washington crossed the Delaware, Paul is dead. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:02, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:NAMELIST most are, there are lots of people called Washington but only George is mentioned on the main DAB, you can also apply the same logic to the placenames[3] but its just that we don't usually have article on place names. Great Washbourne was once just Washbourne and Washbourne, Devon is a collection of places called Washbourne. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:15, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Anyone who is likely to be searched-for by either first or last name should be taken into account accordingly on the corresponding configuration of dab pages, primary topics and redirects. --В²C 23:35, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Only if they are likely, most people aren't, when referring to people both in the read world and on WP you introduce them as "Firstname Lastname" and then use only their last name afterwords, everyone knows that and few would search for someone with only their last name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:27, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, anyone with a fairly unusual first or last name is likely to be search by that because of the principle of path of least resistance: less typing. For example, if I'm looking for the article on Steve Jobs I'm going to type in "jobs". --В²C 04:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I wouldn't do that and I don't see why many other readers would, I always search for "Firstname, Lastname" if looking for a person, Jobs should probably redirect to Job. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:52, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
"I don't see why many other readers would..." I just told you why: less typing. Why type "Barack Obama" or "Donald Trump" when "obama" or "trump" is enough? --В²C 19:59, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Obama has a clear primary topic, Trump doesn't and Jobs is clearly the article at Job. By the logic of less typing should Tyne redirect to Newcastle upon Tyne and Wight redirect to Isle of Wight etc. Should we really guess what our readers might be looking for (apart from clear cases like Obama) and prioritize those who are too lazy (or don't know) the full name of a topic? Seems like a can of worms. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
@Born2cycle: see Lewis and Skye (disambiguation) for Lewis, only Meriwether Lewis is on the main DAB page while the others are only at Lewis (given name) and Lewis (surname), similarly for Skye, only Skye Edwards and Vicky Swain are on the main DAB while the others are only on Skye (name) which is what WP:NAMELIST says. Do you agree with these? Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:36, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
The Lewis seems right as the explorer's first name is not well known so searches are likely to be just for "Lewis". No opinion on Skye without more research. But underlying all of that is searching for people by first or last name is fairly common and so we should accommodate such when reasonable, which is my main point. --В²C 21:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Born2cycle: there was a RM last year that I started at Talk:Isle of Lewis#Requested move 18 July 2018 (and there were many previous ones, a textbook Yogurt case) where Meriwether was pointed out but I think the main point is that by usage the TV series had more views and the given name is what most people would expect to find. There was a RM that I also started at Talk:Isle of Skye#Requested move 5 June 2019 where even though the island was moved to "Isle of Skye" the island remained the primary topic. Those supporting retaining the island's primacy cited the page views (which even the redirect "Isle of Skye" got more than Skye Edwards) and long-term significance, and we don't know how often Skye Edwards is referred to as plain "Skye" as opposed to the island. Those supporting the move argued that there was no clear primary topic for plain "Skye". If you do a Google search for Skye what do you get? We should certainly take into account name holders but unless there reasonably known by a single name they are simply part title matches. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Grouped parishes in WiltshireEdit

Three more grouped civil parishes for your list:

All could be deleted, as they add little to the individual parish articles.

Wiltshire has at least 4 more – Berwick Bassett and Winterbourne Monkton; Heytesbury, Imber and Knook; Upper Deverills; Wilcot and Huish with Oare. No articles for these. --Wire723 (talk) 11:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Wire723: Thanks, Suffolk has lots of grouped parishes but none of them have articles. They could maybe just be redirected to a "governance" section on the largest CP. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:41, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed Motion - Amendment request: Crouch, Swale restrictions appealEdit

Hello Crouch, Swale, I'm Cameron11598 and I am one of the Arbitration Committee's clerks. This message is to inform you that a motion has been proposed in the Crouch, Swale restrictions appeal ARCA request. Please do not hesitate to reach out to me with any questions you may have. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 06:18, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Crouch, SwaleEdit

The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:

The topic ban from discussions on geographic naming conventions imposed on Crouch, Swale as part of their unblock conditions in January 2018 is suspended for a period of six months. During the period of suspension, this restriction may be reinstated by any uninvolved administrator, as an arbitration enforcement action, should Crouch, Swale fail to adhere to any normal editorial process or expectations in the topic area. Appeal of such a reinstatement would follow the normal arbitration enforcement appeals process. After six months from the date this motion is enacted, if the restriction has not been reinstated or any reinstatements have been successfully appealed, the restriction will automatically lapse. Crouch, Swale's remaining restrictions continue in force.

For the Arbitration Committee, --Cameron11598 (Talk) 05:46, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Arbitration motion regarding Crouch, Swale

SupportEdit

I know you are disappointed at the outcome of your appeal, but you should not be surprised. There is plenty of good in your activity on Wikipedia and your various edits, such as fixing links to Commons, correcting wikilinks are both valuable and constructive, and are appreciated. Therefore reinstating a full site ban is not helpful, to you or to the project. However Arbcom wants to see evidence of a change of behaviour, which is exactly the same thing I have been seeking from you. And there is very little evidence of that.

You now have the opportunity to take part in RMs, which will give you the chance to show that the the restrictions on moves can be safely removed. If you follow my advice here you should be fine: Don't just link a policy, paraphrase the policy and explain why its appropriate in the specific case.

None of that will make any difference to the restriction on article creation. To quote Callanecc, you will need "clear and substantial evidence" that you "can write meaningful and substantial content on notable topics". If you say that all you want to do is create stubs you are not demonstrating that at all, and therefore the restriction will not be removed.

Stubs are not inherently bad. But if you can't demonstrate the ability to expand articles, not only are you not demonstrating that you can write substantial content you aren't even showing why the subject is notable. Civil parishes are notable. Not because they are civil parishes, but because there is a ton of information available about all of them, from a thousand different sources. The text of the article needs to make the claim to notability plain to anyone.

In the discussion on my talk page, I urged you to expand your stubs to much more substantial articles. Looking at User:Crouch, Swale/South Huish, you didn't even mention Hope Cove! If you start to make improvements to those stubs, I will be able to support you with further improvements on the relevant talk pages. If I am happy with the standard of the work, I may even be able to move the developed articles to mainspace on your behalf (assuming arbcom is ok with me doing so). That will start to give evidence that the restriction can be removed, and I can help you put it together to give a future appeal a much greater chance of success.

You don't have to work with me, nor do you have to do what I have asked. But if you don't, I can't support you in any meaningful way. I doubt you will get the restriction removed without support from other editors. If you want my help, please let me know.--Nilfanion (talk) 16:41, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I was surprised as I had to wait a full 6 months to appeal. However the point might be that I am asking for something that isn't workable, such as the topics that I want to create or the titles that I want to try to get. That might suggest that its more likely to cause problems than its worth.
Yes I will do that, as I pointed out that was simply because I thought you knew about bold v link back to the same page, but you didn't which I apologize for, you have criticized me for too long comments before.
I thought the point is that the stubs should have meaningful content, rather than just 1 sentence.
I don't think there is anything stopping me from asking anyone to move the userspace articles into mainspace. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:09, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
So you won't bother to expand those draft articles (or others) further then?
That last point is not OK - its a circumvention of your restrictions via meatpuppetry. There is a big difference between me volunteering to move them after "approving" the substantial improvement, and you asking someone to do it for you when that improvement is lacking.--Nilfanion (talk) 14:24, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I added some more content to South Huish, and I'm not asking anyone to do so. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:28, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
That was in response to: "I don't think there is anything stopping me from asking anyone to move the userspace articles into mainspace." Yes there is, as that is an attempt to circumvent your restrictions.--Nilfanion (talk) 14:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
That is not really circumventing, as far as I'm aware the restrictions were only me doing it directly, I thought it was pointed out that I could create pages in the userspace for if others (like you) want to move them. But anyway I wasn't asking you (or anyone else) to do that. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
By asking someone else it becomes problematic. Yes this isn't a problem right now, just want to make sure it doesn't become one.--Nilfanion (talk) 14:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Ashford CarbonellEdit

Long-term page protection is regarded as drastic, as it blocks all non-autoconfirmed users. You could go to ANI and ask if a filter is possible. - Donald Albury 12:39, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

To be quite honest I think a year would be worthwhile as (s)he will probably just add the same statement within days after the protection expires but I trust you're judgement on this. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

LewisEdit

Terrible idea. Please reconsider. --John (talk) 09:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@John: the discussion at Talk:Lewis#Requested move 18 July 2018 was closed and we are fixing the links before the move of Lewis>Isle of Lewis and Lewis (disambiguation)>Lewis is preformed. What part of this is a "terrible idea"? Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:36, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
I saw. What does it achieve? --John (talk) 10:06, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
So that users can select what article they want when they search for "Lewis". Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:07, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
What is the evidence that these "users" are having a problem with the status quo ante? There is certainly no consensus for the edits you are making. Please stop. --John (talk) 10:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
I think this argument shows users were having problems and the move discussion has already been closed, I'm just helping clear up after it (thus implied consensus for correcting the links), before the move. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:35, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 18Edit

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Droxford, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Meon Valley (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver).

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Changed back to how I linked the first time, I didn't realise it was a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:05, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Hagley Park, ChristchurchEdit

Schwede66 is now persistently deleting the disambiguation hatnote at the article above. Since you took part in the recent discussion, recommending disambiguation, you may wish to comment on the mattter on its [4] talkpage. Sweetpool50 (talk) 21:18, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Why are you making a proposal you don't support?Edit

Talk:Bend#Requested move 31 August 2018. It's highly disruptive to make a proposal which you oppose on the outset. You present no argument for it. Some informal comments in favor were made by Yours Truly above your fake proposal, but that's was never intended to be a formal proposal. I started the discussion to see if anyone agreed, and if they did and it looked like there might be consensus, maybe they would start a formal proposal. Someone opposing making the proposal is just disruptive. I suggest you close it. --В²C 16:55, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I made the proposal in response to this comment "why is this discussion going on without a template?". See Talk:M2 motorway (Great Britain)#Requested move for another example where this was done. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:57, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
WP:OTHERSTUFF from nine years ago??? How did you even find that? Anyway, the proper answer to that question was: BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROPOSAL, not to make a bogus one that's not even formed properly. Why you !voted in the first place is also a good question. I, for one, don't have time for this. If you don't close it I'm reporting this disruption. If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it. --В²C 17:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
I know of that because I track many page creations/moves and I can't really close it anyway as someone has supported moving the DAB and making a different topic primary, see also this. I apologize for making what you didn't want to be a formal discussion formal, but I did it in response to IIO's comment. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

ANI discussionEdit

  There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding a disruptive RM proposal that you started that you explicitly oppose. The thread is Disruptive RM proposal that opposes what it is proposing. The discussion is about the topic Talk:Bend. В²C 17:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Category renamingEdit

Hello. I see you've tagged loads of categories for renaming, but you don't seem to have started a discussion at WP:CfD. Could you either remove the tags or start a discussion (actually you'll need to start separate discussions for 10 and 11 September as you've tagged different ones on different days). Cheers, Number 57 11:45, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 23Edit

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BroxtoweEdit

I've been going through some RMs, and have moved Broxtowe to Borough of..., as you proposed (unchallenged after 3 weeks). It probably should have a redirect for all the hatnotes, so I'll leave that to you. Kevin McE (talk) 14:41, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Kevin McE: The base name Broxtowe should become a DAB so there will be no need for the hatnote at all. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
It becomes a redirect: I misphrased a suggestion that you make it a disambiguation. Kevin McE (talk) 14:47, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I will fix the links, I will later convert it into a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:27, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

The primary use of the name Broxtowe is the district, and it should not have been moved without re-opening the discussion. That said, a redirect is what is needed as mentioned by Kevin McE. The hatnote on the district page will send people to the constituency if that's what they want - in line with most constituencies that share their name with something else. Sussexonian (talk) 18:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't think there's evidence of that. The page hits show at least there is no primary topic even if it was called just "Broxtowe". Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:07, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
If, as you have said "there is no primary topic", then Broxtowe ought to be, as I put to you yesterday afternoon, a disambiguation page, not a redirect to the estate in Nottingham. Kevin McE (talk) 19:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't think I am allowed to convert it to a DAB page at the moment, as I am restricted on page creation but I will do it when I am no longer. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
That does not seem grounds for making it a redirect to something you have acknowledged is not a primary topic. I can't see that it is a creation: no new content, just arrows. I will do it then. Kevin McE (talk) 19:55, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Not sure why, having read my lst message, you would have re-rediected it, but it is now a DAB. Kevin McE (talk) 20:21, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I just changed it back to the district as that is where is was before. I don't think converting to DAB would have been seen as a problem, but it was pointed out that it includes converting redirects to full pages. I have fixed 7 links for the estate but there are 4 more which I'm not sure which they are fore. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:25, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

North Somerset catsEdit

I see you have added a CFR banner to various categories relating to North Somerset but I can't see them at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 28 - therefore can't oppose. I presume you are going to do the same for all the other districts of Somerset for consistency? I don't understand the rationale for this proposal.— Rod talk 16:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw: I haven't finished tagging them yet (there are still more). I would do it for all the districts but at the moment I can't see the others getting consensus. The reason is that the title Category:North Somerset is ambiguous in that it could include the northern part of the county (like the Wells CFD). However we probably don't need separate articles for the northern part of Somerset and the unitary authority but the category should reflect that its only for the UA. I'll ping you again when I have finished. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
I disagree as there is nowhere else that is described as North Somerset & it is unlike Wells as the addition is the term "district" rather than the county "Somerset" (and unitary authority would surely be the correct term). The same arguments could be made for South Somerset and West Somerset and I would oppose all of them. Please let me know when done with a link to the discussion.— Rod talk 17:24, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
@Rodw:As there are so many, I'll give the list and reason tomorrow (as noted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 28#Compass directions), apologies for the wait. Per WP:UKDISTRICTS we use "Foo District" for districts that don't have another statue like borough, such as Borough of Bedford, which is also a UA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
@Rodw: Now at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 28#Compass directions. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Point of clairificationEdit

CS, In your notification you here [5] you are suggesting I notified only editors who disagreed with the category name change. This isn't true. I notified you and the other three editors who supported the change per the Oct 22 discussion. In looking at the discussions linked from the Oct 22 discussion (a speedy change and the 2014 speedy change) I believe I have notified all involved editors. In your comment on Number 57's page your statement suggested my notifications were one sided. As far as I can tell I've notified all editors who were involved with or linked by the Oct 22 discussion. I don't see where Number 57 or Red Slash were part of the earlier discussions. Would you please provide links to their involvement? You said on their page that Number 57 was the closer of the last discussion but I see Good'olFactory was the closer [[6]]. Also, would you please modify your statement on their page to make it clear they are being notified due to prior involvement, not to balance a pro/con notification. If I didn't notify someone on the other side I would like to know where I missed them as my intent isn't to vote stack. Springee (talk) 17:37, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

@Springee: I apologize, my comments did suggest that the notification was a bit lop sided, but it wasn't really (since you did notify the first CFD who supported Cars) but RGloucester (talk · contribs) suggested that you notify them, so I have done so. Red Slash (talk · contribs) was the nom of the 2014 (article) RM and Number 57 (talk · contribs) was the closer of that discussion. Dennis Brown (talk · contribs) opposed to the CFDS in 2014. I have as such modified my comments to reflect this, thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:59, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

ArbCom 2018 election voter messageEdit

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Requested moveEdit

The article cannot be moved as it does not follow Wikipedia’s Manual of Style and/or Wikipedia’s Naming conventions. HeartGlow30797 (talk) 19:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)HeartGlow30797

@HeartGlow30797: Which article are you talking about? Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:57, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Town of Salford.Edit

You have repeatedly changed the page of Salford (town) from a town to a city. Salford is a town in the City of Salford. Salford town along with Worsley, Walkden, Eccles, Swinton and Irlam to name a few make up the City of Salford. You have been changing the page for the town of Salford to say it is a city this is incorrect. If you would like to do some research on the topic feel free but as a resident of Ellenbrook in the City of Salford I would think I know what I am talking about. Page for the City of Salford: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Salford Page for the town of Salford: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salford Jimdowney (talk) 01:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jimdowney: I have not repeatedly made that change, I only changed it once! with a cited source, I changed this after discussion at Talk:Leeds#Lead. Most of the other cases where the district has city status, the settlement is also refered to as a city such as Winchester, Canterbury, Preston, Carlisle etc. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:31, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Sheep IslandEdit

A few refs from a Google search, though you've probably done that. Tony.

Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:01, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I wasn't sure if the Bluestone was reliable enough but I have added it anyway with some content. The OS only gives location and the news report doesn't contain any suitable content. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:19, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Sheep Island should be a good addition, not having a parent island. I will dig deeper. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:30, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

ARCA motionEdit

There is a motion proposed at an amendment request which concerns you. Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Crouch, Swale restrictions appeal: Motion. For the Arbitration Committee, Bradv🍁 14:21, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

ARCA motion enactedEdit

Resolved by motion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment:

The restriction on new article creations imposed on Crouch, Swale (talk · contribs) as part of their unban conditions in January 2018 is modified as follows:
  • Crouch, Swale is permitted to create new articles only by creating them in his userspace or in the draft namespace and then submitting them to the Articles for Creation process for review. He is permitted to submit no more than one article every seven days. This restriction includes the creation of new content at a title that is a redirect or disambiguation page.
  • The one-account restriction and prohibition on moving or renaming pages outside of userspace remain in force.

For the Arbitration Committee, Miniapolis 18:24, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Amendment request: Crouch, Swale restrictions appeal (January 2019)

Your submission at Articles for creation: South Huish has been acceptedEdit

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Page creation by namespaceEdit

Hello, I wanted to let you know that I've asked Arbcom to clarify some bits in your recently amended restrictions: nothing is said about whether you may create project pages, categories, templates, etc. Please see WP:ARCA#Amendment request: Crouch, Swale clarification request to offer your opinion. Of course, if you don't want any changes, that's perfectly fine; just leave a note saying so. Nyttend (talk) 01:08, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Fulford, Staffordshire has been acceptedEdit

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Risga has been acceptedEdit

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FladdaEdit

Hi @Crouch, Swale: I renamed. I guess you know. I'm going round changing links. scope_creepTalk 15:49, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

That seems to be it. scope_creepTalk 15:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm waiting for the links from the templates to update, once that's done we'll be able to see if the're all fixed. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
All done other than List of shipwrecks in September 1847#29 September, of which both are in Argyllshire. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:16, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

-on- and -on-the- movesEdit

Hi,

FYI in future you might want to use a bundled nomination if your rationale is the same for similar move requests. I've ignored the rules and treated them a bundled nomination because all but one of them had no input.

Link to the closure.

Many thanks,

SITH (talk) 12:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I often do bundle nominations (see Talk:Orkney#Requested move 30 November 2018 and Talk:Ribby-with-Wrea#Requested move 13 January 2019) but some of those were in different parts of the country, nevertheless I agree that a bundled nomination would still have been more appropriate even though some of them had a better case to move than others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:52, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Notice of motionEdit

An arbitrator has proposed a motion on an amendment request to which you are a party. It is being discussed at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Crouch, Swale: motion.

For the Arbitration Committee, Bradv🍁 20:18, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Use of "OS"Edit

Seeing your edits on the islands off Pembrokeshire, and understanding your imperative to express their alternative names as "... island" (even though, in some of the cases "holm" means island), I wonder whether the acronym "OS" (or even "Ordnance Survey") will mean anything to anyone outside Britain. Perhaps better just to leave it as the alternative name + ref? Just thinking aloud. Cheers, Tony Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:07, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I see Verbcatcher is there (Grassholm) already... Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:08, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Well even if they aren't at the name on the OS, at least that name should be stated at the top. I doubt that the islands would be large/well known enough that people outside of the UK would be likely to look them up and most people in the UK probably know what OS means (and even if they don't the Ordnance Survey is linked in the citation). If you think that "OS" is inappropriate here I'd be fine with changing it to "Ordnance Survey" or as you say deleting that text altogether (and just having "Skomer or Skomer Island). Since Grassholm and Skomer have been changed like this I'll do that with the others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

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Amendment request: Crouch, Swale clarification requestEdit

Resolved by motion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment:

The restriction on page creation imposed on Crouch, Swale (talk · contribs) as part of their unban conditions in January 2018 is modified as follows:

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  • The one-account restriction and prohibition on moving or renaming pages outside of userspace remain in force.

For the Arbitration Committee, Bradv🍁 22:31, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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Egremont F.C.Edit

I was just putting in

  • Delete -- As far as I can make out from the 3 articles, this was a local amateur club, some of whose players later played professionally elsewhere. I do not think we allow categories for such clubs, but I am not a football expert. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:27, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

When you closed the discussion. Even if there are 3 articles, we do not normally allow categories for the players of amateur clubs, do we? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:27, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@Peterkingiron: Sorry about that, I've re-opened the discussion you can !vote (I won't add the comment myself to avoid confusing things). Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:32, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the unblock Swale Crouch. GeezzzEdit

Thanks Swale! Too say the least, I was shocked, chagrined and confused. 😅 Quaerens-veritatem 11:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hi. Do you have a ref for the (2001) 26 pop for Tidmington? I had a scoot around and couldn't find it, even at NOMIS. I always like to add refs for everything. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 20:05, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

That's what Neighbourhood Statistics said but the URL has since rotted. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:09, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Must be somewhere I suppose... I'll ask Keith D... he usually sorts this stuff out and repoints it. Otherwise there's no source. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 20:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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Redalert2fan (talk) 19:14, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

St. EdmundEdit

Did not mean to u do your edit, just remove the wiki link. The place is called Rushbrooke with Rougham, though the locals just say Rougham. The wonders of mobile editing. Edmund Patrick confer 21:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

@Edmund Patrick: they are different places, see the article Rougham, Suffolk, Rushbrooke with Rougham was only created in 1988. Also per MOS:SEEALSO both of the entries that I removed from the see also section are already linked in text. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:56, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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I have sent you a note about a page you startedEdit

Thanks for creating Washbrook, Babergh.

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Thanks for creating the page, I was just wondering; Washbrook, Somerset and Washbrook (surname) are linked in the about "section" but seem to be red links right now. Do you intend on creating these later? If there is no article on those to me it seems unnecessary to keep it linked in that way, or is this common practice for geo pages?

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Redalert2fan (talk) 21:29, 28 July 2019 (UTC) @Redalert2fan: that's because the village should probably be at plain Washbrook and the surname article (currently at "Washbrook") moved to Washbrook (surname) (although a DAB could be at Washbrook instead) I have made a request at WP:RMT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the explanation! Redalert2fan (talk) 15:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
The link to the Somerset one has now been hidden in the hatnote. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:09, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

How much is "much more"Edit

Let's say I make $50k/year and you make $100k/year. That's twice as much - is that "much more"? Do you really need to make $500k/year, 10x as much, to make "much more" than me? I don't think so. Similarly, I don't think "much more likely to be sought" has to mean it has to be at least ten times as likely to be sought. In truth, $75k/year is "much more" than $50k/year. Similarly, getting 50% more views makes it "much more likely to be sought". 10x, or 1000%, is a ridiculously high bar to mean "much more". Don't you agree? --В²C 00:45, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

No, with primary topics there should usually be a significant order of magnitude, that's not the same with an uneven amount of money you make. See this for example where the PT gets 1,556 views compared to 6 for the other 2. Similarly for Smiles the facial expression gets over 243x the views the views of the other "Smiles" articles and nearly 5x the views of all the entries (including PTMs). Until "much more" is defined I think I can reasonably argue that it expects 10x so that we don't inconvenience a significant minority. However there could be some exceptions such as WP:2DABPRIMARY and where the other uses derive from the main topic etc. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Okay, so you think what "much more" means changes depending on context. I disagree. I think in any context 50% more is "much more", and certainly 50% more qualifies as "much more" in the intended meaning of "much more" at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I can't think of any context where "more" doesn't become "much more" until we're talking about at least 10 times more. That is, obviously ten pies is much more than one pie, but if you're given a pie slice that is 1/4 of a pie and I have a slice that is 3/8 of a pie, I suspect you'd agree I got "much more" of the pie than you did. But semantics aside, I can't understand why you think the readers only benefit when the difference is that much more. Do you agree that the whole point of disambiguation on WP is to arrange our name space in a way that facilitates readers finding the articles they seek that happen to have ambiguous names efficiently? And if you have an article that is more likely to be sought than all the others combined, then by putting that article at the base name we're arranging the articles efficiently accordingly? If not, why not? --В²C 18:26, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
These days I actually think that getting the DAB is usually the best idea, with a DAB the reader can easily select the article they want and don't have to load a potentially large page. Even if an article is more likely to be sought than the others combined the significant minority will still be far more inconvenienced than the small majority that have to click through the DAB, which is arguably more efficient. Would you agree that in terms of usage and long-term significance that both Peter Sutcliffe and Smiles are easily primary? Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:34, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I think landing on a dab page is about as much an inconvenience as landing on the wrong article, and we should try our best to minimize how often either happens about the same. I suspect that's the fundamental point about which we differ. If you think landing on a wrong article is much more inconvenient than landing on a dab page, then of course you're going to favor erring on the side of landing people on dab pages. But my view is the goal is landing on the sought article, and landing on any other page is far less desirable. Whether that other page happens to be a dab or another article doesn't matter; the inconvenience is about the same. --В²C 18:49, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Depends how used to WP you are (including if you use the internet much at all), if you have a fact connection etc. I would at least note that if there is a direct hatnote then the reader is less inconvenienced than if they have to click on an "other uses" (which I know we both agree on). As Andrewa has noted some readers might not realize they need to click on the hatnote to find other articles and might assume that we don't cover the topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:57, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
The notion that some readers might not realize and give up accordingly is pure conjecture. At best, a very weak argument. --В²C 19:15, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, I created the above article as a quick redirect to Dalserf (the old parish it was part of). However, there is every reason for it to exist as an article in its own right, and after I created it I spotted you had made a very decent draft. Would you like to move that info into the page to 'bring it to life'? Crowsus (talk) 03:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

@Crowsus: it should probably indeed have a separate article but it should probably be expanded a bit more. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:14, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah that's my intention, but there's no point in me doing it from scratch when what you've drafted is a good starting point. I could just lift the text from the draft and plonk it in, but it's bad form to do so, I'd rather you did it and got the recognition. But if you don't the hassle and would be happy for me to take what's in the draft and add to it under my own name, please let me know. Ta. Crowsus (talk) 09:13, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
@Crowsus: You can move it into you're user space if you want or submit it yourself. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:21, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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Bkissin (talk) 20:29, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Will you be starting a "101" or "666" RM?Edit

Hello Crouch!

Again, thanks so much for your work and help with the 3-digit numbers situation! I was just wondering, as they're next on your User:Crouch, Swale/Year DAB page, whether you were going to be starting an RM for 101 (or for 666). Either would be appreciated! Totally fine if you weren't planning to; someone else could if you want. Paintspot Infez (talk) 14:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Paintspot: I started the 420 one because regardless of the outcome of the RFC that would probably need moving but it might be better to wait until the RFC is closed before starting other less clear cut ones but in any case I'd probably support those moves if they end up at RM now. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:57, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
@Paintspot: the RFC has now been closed with the consensus that they are handled on a case by case basis so I have now started Talk:101 (disambiguation)#Requested move 25 September 2019. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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Bkissin (talk) 18:03, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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Bkissin (talk) 16:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

CaerwedrosEdit

Re this, that was a good idea to make the modern village primary. Unfortunately someone else moved it to Caerwedros, Ceredigion in the meantime. So I just redirected Caerwedros there and added a hatnote. I think it's probably good enough like that, but if you want to reverse the redirect or do anything else, please feel free. (btw, today I learned what a commote is.) Station1 (talk) 02:20, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Update: Thanks to User:PC78 for reversing the redirect. Looks good to me now. Station1 (talk) 02:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Station1: I also wasn't familiar with commotes. It seems (as you have noted in other discussions) WP:OVERPRECISION to have a DAB when both topics refer to the same place (WP:DABCONCEPT), there are only 2 uses (WP:2DABPRIMARY) and the other use gets less views anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:49, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Category:Villages "on" Mainland, ShetlandEdit

Thanks for your work in getting many of the relevant Shetland villages added to this new category. I just wanted to ask you this directly, rather than going through the official process, as I think it would be a simple change if you agree - should it be "Villages in Mainland, Shetland", rather than "on"? I know this looks a bit weird, and Mainland is a weird name to call an island in the first place, but it is just a name like any other. Changing it to "in" would make it consistent with other pre-existing categories - "Villages in Unst", "Villages in Whalsay", "Villages in Yell, Shetland". What do you think? Griceylipper (talk) 19:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Griceylipper: the issue of "on" v "in" was brought up at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 31#Scottish islands where I proposed moving all similar categories to use "on" but it was closed as no consensus and we agreed that nominating them all to see if they should all use "on" or "in" was a good idea at some point in the near future so I'll see if I can start that discussion tomorrow. It was also discussed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 11#Category:Skye, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 5#Category:Villages in Mull and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 December 10#In or on the Isle of Man so it would be worth seeing what to do with all of them. In any case considering the others in Category:Villages in Shetland as you point out use "in" we should probably match them and as a local if you think "in" is more usual then that's good evidence for a change. Indeed "Mainland" is an unusual name for the island and its surprising its not called "Shetland Mainland" since nearly everyone knows of the (Orkney) Mainland so you would have thought that they would have renamed it. On commons the sub categories of Commons:Category:Populated places in the Shetland Islands use "on" but that's because I created them all and used this format. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
I will keep an eye out for this when it comes up. Griceylipper (talk) 22:00, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, I'll ask shortly. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:00, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
@Griceylipper: the discussion is now at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islands#RFC "on" v "in" categories. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:18, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, I will chime in over there. Griceylipper (talk) 21:24, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

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Redalert2fan (talk) 13:11, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation discussionEdit

Would you mind voicing your thoughts on this move discussion since you've participated in many discussions regarding this issue recently? I feel that you would have a number of important things to add. Eventhorizon51 (talk) 19:46, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Your !votes at WT:DEdit

Just a suggestion - perhaps consider signing or indenting your multiple !votes so it's more obvious they are from you? --В²C 16:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@Born2cycle: thanks, I was wandering if it was clear by didn't think of doing something else but I have now added my name on a bullet and used a double bullet for each !vote, if you have any better ideas please let me know, thanks. Have there been any other similar requests involving pages that involve more than trivial differences that you can think of? Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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