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Melki Sedek Huang edit

Hi, Liz, esteemed colleague! I'm afraid I've declined your WP:A7 at that page, as there is some vestigial claim of significance there and I don't think it quite qualifies as G11. I agree it shouldn't be part of the encyclopaedia, leaving it to you to choose how best to bring that about. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:27, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Justlettersandnumbers,
Well, I thought it might be borderline. I'll admit to being skeptical of bios where an individual's notability primarily rests on being a student leader. I'll consider whether to send it to AFD. Thanks for letting me know your opinion on it. Liz Read! Talk! 14:11, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2023 edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
  • A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.

  Technical news


  • The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.


  • Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mizzy edit

Hi Liz, and thanks for all the good work you do at AFD. I mean that sincerely, I appreciate the care you exhibit and your willingness to close more difficult odiscussions.

I was surprised to see you close the discussion after your involvement here and here. I recognise that the numbers are clearly on the same side as your comments on my talk page, but I think myself and one other provided a robust and careful policy-based argument against deletion.

I hope you will support this request to re-open and let someone else uninvolved close it, please? CT55555(talk) 23:56, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, CT55555,
I don't think my comment in the AFD itself showed INVOLVE but I completely forgot about that talk page comment! I should not have closed this AFD. I'll revert myself. I appreciate you calling this to my attention rather than heading towards Deletion review. My bad. Liz Read! Talk! 00:05, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. I took very seriously an earlier comment you made about how taking an admin to deletion review feels like ANI, so I'm keen to not make anyone's life more stressful than it should be.
You're comment on my talk page kinda hurt my feelings back then, so sadly it remains in my memory. Thanks for the agreeable reply and wishing you all the best. CT55555(talk) 00:07, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, CT55555,
I certainly didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I think at the time, I thought that you are a gifted editor and this article subject didn't deserve your talent and attention. But I apologize if saying this sounded like a slight, I think highly of you and would never intentionally want to hurt your feelings. Liz Read! Talk! 03:30, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for this comment. And for everything in this thread. CT55555(talk) 13:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Time to close AFD edit

Hi, this article Jazz (Transformers) AFD has been relisted for 8 days now, so I think it's time to close it now. Davidgoodheart (talk) 00:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Davidgoodheart,
I am just reading over this discussion now. I'm uncertain about it right now. I don't know whether I'll close it or let another admin close it. Liz Read! Talk! 00:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please respond edit

I've left you three pings but to no avail as yet. Could you please head over to that talk page and respond? Schwede66 23:33, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Schwede66,
I don't check "pings" so I was unaware of this. I'll check out the AFD now. Thanks for leaving a talk page notice. Liz Read! Talk! 23:41, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  Done As I'm sure you know, I reverted my closure and relisted this discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not sure whether you have been keeping an eye on this AfD but it's been closed as keep. And here is a confession: I hadn't even given the article an in-depth read, or looked at the refs in any detail, before I contacted you. I just know that when Paora puts effort into an article that's at AfD, it's going to be a keep 98% of the time. You couldn't have known that, of course. Schwede66 03:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Morning Edition (BBC radio programme) edit

Hi Liz,

I see that you have deleted my draft of this article, in accordance with established Wikipedia guidelines, and I have no issue with you doing this. However I would like to please ask for your help. Unfortunately I kept coming up against what i though was extremely tight interpretation of Wikipedia policies and no matter what I did, it was never allowed to appear on Wikipedia. The main references were from BBC-provided programme schedules which is allied to, both slightly independent of, the BBC website, taken from a listings magazine which, at the time, was owned by the BBC. Other references were from recordings of the programme. These sources were seen as unacceptable and the article was draftified. Therefore, if you can give me any help with getting this article onto Wikipedia, it would be much appreciated. The article is about a shortish-lived 1990s radio programme on a station which was broadcast across all of the UK.

To my huge frustration I forgot to add the article to my Sandbox so I have requested that it be returned to draftspace so that I can copy and paste it into my sandbox.

Thank you in advance for any help you are able to provide. Rillington (talk) 00:11, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Rillington,
While I was getting around to responding to you, I see that another admin has restored Draft:Morning Edition (BBC radio programme) which is what we do with G13 draft articles which are just deleted for being abandoned. So, you can continue to work on it.
Unfortunately, I'm not expert on content creation so I'm not going to be much help in getting this article in shape. It looks like you have more experience than I do in this part of the project. If there is a relevant WikiProject, you can go to the talk page and see if an editor would be willing to collaborate with you. And if you need a fresh set of eyes, you could put an appeal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors for help. I wish we had some central portal for editors to see help but you might look at similar articles and see if there are any editors who focus on this subject that you might appeal to. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 22:52, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi again and thank you for a most helpful reply. The main issue I have with these, and similar articles is that they are about programmes on a radio station which existed for less than four years in the pre-internet era. Whilst there is no issue with notability as they were broadcast on a national radio station, the issue is finding the references. I have followed your advice and mentioned this on the UK Radio WikiProject talk page and hopefully I will get some help from there.

Deletion of user draft "YΔ- and ΔY-transformations" edit

I saw you deleted (moved to drafts) my article YΔ- and ΔY-transformations. The reason you give is "Userpage or subpage of a nonexistent user". But I am very much an existent user. I am new so there might be something I don't understand. I would appreciate if we could revert this step. MWinter4 (talk) 13:04, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@MWinter4 (talk page watcher) I have left message on your draft for the way forward. This could not remain as an article. Draft space allows you to add the references necessary. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 13:11, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I do not fully understand your reply. What do you mean "This could not remain as an article" and then what is it right now if not an article? I also saw your comment. This draft is nowhere near ready and I am fully aware of it. It would have gotten references in due time. Is there any reason to not revert the move? Note that it was a user draft before that. MWinter4 (talk) 13:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MWinter4 Apologies. I misread the logs. It was in user space previously. Now it is a draft. There is no real benefit either space has above the other. As a draft you have the same opportunities to work on it as you did in your user space. If you feel it to be important I am sure it can be returned to your user space.
I do see the problem. You had used a ":" not a "/" in the file name, thus it was misfiled as if it were a user with a long and complex name. What would you wish to happen? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 13:25, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for the clarification and sorry for that mistake! I would prefer to have it as a subpage of User:MWinter4. MWinter4 (talk) 13:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MWinter4   Done with pleasure. More on your own talk page. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 13:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, MWinter4,
Thank you for replying, Timtrent. As stated, it was problem with the formatting in the page title. I moved it to Draft space so nothing was deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 18:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Took me a couple of moments to figure it out. 👀😇 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 18:19, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: Nomination of 2023 CW affiliation realignment edit

Hello... I don't know if you got any of my replies yet!?!? I would tag you but that offends people... Sorry to disturb you by the way... CPLANAS1985 🇵🇷 🇺🇸 (Male • TCIGFB) 18:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, CPLANAS1985,
I don't notice "pings" so the best way to get my attention is to post on my talk page like you just did. I'll check out your replies today. Liz Read! Talk! 18:15, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've responded on your talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 22:46, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
With all due respect... Much easier said than done... I asked them what to do if a merge the material into the network's own article only to see it removed on a revert!?!? I've had too many edits reverted unjustly despite providing facts and sources... But out of everyone involved with the discussion, you seem to be the only person paying attention... CPLANAS1985 🇵🇷 🇺🇸 (Male • TCIGFB) 23:50, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also they get mad when I tag them... Again, not trying to be mean or rude but I don't know if they're receiving the replies or not... But they're not listening... They're not listening to anything... I just thought you should know that... You have to admit, I make a very valid point... Why try to help and volunteer and add new articles if someone's going to be quick to judgment and try to have it taken down almost as quickly as it went up!?!? Something is definitely wrong there... CPLANAS1985 🇵🇷 🇺🇸 (Male • TCIGFB) 00:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm just a volunteer editor like you are. I've tried to give you the best advice that occurred to me on your User talk page. I can't control the behavior of other editors and just have a few tools at my disposal to address editor misconduct and it doesn't sound like that is happening here. I'll pay another visit to the AFD and make sure that is true. It might be time to allow the AFD to proceed and not respond any longer if you made your best argument there. If you find yourself repeating yourself, it's time to stop talking. Please reread what I wrote to you, that's all I can offer. Liz Read! Talk! 00:47, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Very well then... 🏳🏳🏳🏳 CPLANAS1985 🇵🇷 🇺🇸 (Male • TCIGFB) 01:04, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikigrannies edit

The author of this article is running riot over Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikigrannies, indulging predominantly in personal attacks rather than making any kind of constructive contribution. I don't think engaging with them there will serve any useful purpose - however, they have picked up on your comment that the nomination was "silly" and I'd be quite interested to know why you thought it so. I obviously didn't think it was when I made it, but as I have long respected your opinion at AfD I'd be happy to put right and/or given the opportunity to discuss. Dorsetonian (talk) 19:11, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Dorsetonian,
I'm sorry that my comment has led to any disruption of this AFD discussion. I thought the nomination was silly because I think this is a unique group of Wikipedia editors that is notable regardless of whether or not there are reliable sources verifying this. I thought it was an interesting article which, as you know, is not a valid rationale for Keeping it. It's a page that might be moved to Project space. But because I support the presence of articles like this, putting names and identities to groups of hard-working editors, I will not be closing this discussion myself as I have a bias. But I'll put in an appearance at this AFD and see if I can tamp down any inproper language or comments that are going on. Liz Read! Talk! 22:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Many thanks for your response, both here and at the AfD. Yes, I too think the group is important to Wikipedia and Wikipedians but, of course, that is precisely the point I was trying to make in the introduction in the nomination - we should evaluate the notability in the same way we'd dispassionately evaluate it for any other subject - and in general there are lots of notable products and publications but few articles about individual manufacturing sites or editorial offices. One concern of my own with making the nomination is that those other products and publications can still put what they like on their own websites if they want to - but where else is Wikipedia to go? Of course, Project space as you mentioned is the answer to that question and may indeed be the best outcome here - however, I'll let the AfD play out.
Just to address the "silliness" of the nomination, if I may: it was made after the article came up on Recent Changes patrol and purely because I thought the group did not meet the usual notability threshold. There is obviously some indication of notability meaning it is not clear-cut and the AfD will decide that. Just for the avoidance of doubt, what I did not do is bring an article to AfD that I believe obviously should not have come to AfD - that would indeed have been silly and a waste of everyone's time; nor did I bring it to AfD to make any kind of point. Dorsetonian (talk) 08:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Dorsetonian,
Well, my choice of "silly" might have been a mistake but that's because I thought it was obviously notable. I usually do a pretty good job of staying neutral in my comments in AFDs but I might have slipped here. I surely didn't mean for it reflect on your competence as a nominator though. It was just a gut reaction at the time. Liz Read! Talk! 20:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please help me to recover Andrei Baciu draft, it one of the persons with activity in activity in cancer prevention edit

You deleted both draft and test page. Please help me and don't do it, is important to be on this page. Danavirgiliu (talk) 08:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Danavirgiliu,
I see that the good folks at WP:REFUND already answered your request for help and restored Draft:Andrei Baciu for you. Are you also User:Ionicadrgs? Just wondering. Liz Read! Talk! 20:16, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks you for your welcome text! edit

You have put much information how to edit Wikipedia and the five pillars ... I am more of visual learner so ,would you please suggest me any videos that are live online if you know, for me to better understand Wikipedia's guidelines!? Worldviewfrom (talk) 23:27, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Worldviewfrom,
Oh, my, I don't know of any videos about editing Wikipedia although I'm sure that our parent organization WMF has probably created them. But that is an excellent question to ask at the Teahouse which is our forum for new editors to come to with their questions. I'm sure someone there can help you. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 00:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Input at a Recently Deleted Article. edit

Hi there Liz, if you have a minute, could you take a look at Gabe Amo along with the conversation on the talk page? The article was recently redirected as a result of a AfD and then almost immediately recreated on account of the circumstances surrounding the subject changing. Not sure what the correct/best/appropriate approach is in this situation. Thanks! - Skipple 04:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please undelete my W.W. McCarty sandbox edit

I have new material and documentation that I recently found that I was planning to add this week. I believe that this additional information would make this proposed entry meet Wikipedia standards. — Carl n8vz (talk) 13:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, n8vz,
Can you give me a link to the deleted page? Then I can see why it was deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 02:55, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry for the delay, Liz. The URL for the page I would like undeleted is:
Thanks for your help!
Carl n8vz (talk) 17:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Invitation to Cornell study on Wikipedia discussions edit

Hello Liz,

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We wanted to invite you to join the study because you are heavily active in the User Talk namespace and also participate in discussions as an admin; as such, your experience is highly relevant to our research and we would greatly value your participation.

The study centers around a prototype tool, ConvoWizard, which is designed to warn Wikipedia editors when a discussion they are replying to is getting tense and at risk of derailing into personal attacks or incivility. More information about ConvoWizard and the study can be found at our research project page on meta-wiki.

If this sounds like it might be interesting to you, you can use this link to sign up and install ConvoWizard. Of course, if you are not interested, feel free to ignore this message.

If you have any questions or thoughts about the study, our team is happy to discuss! You may direct such comments to me or to my collaborator, Cristian_at_CornellNLP. Thank you for your consideration.

--- Jonathan at CornellNLP (talk) 16:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

R2-related proposal at Village Pumps edit

Hi Liz. I believe you probably delete more R2's than anyone, so I wonder if you have any thoughts on whether new-page reviewers should have suppressredirect in order to avoid leaving cross-namespace redirects when draftifying (either bundled in new-page reviewer or through requesting page-mover specifically for draftifying). See Primefac's proposal WP:VPR#Give NPR additional rights? SilverLocust 💬 17:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, SilverLocust,
Actually, I think Fastily deletes a lot of CSD R2s as well. It might be helpful for editors to have this ability with cross-namespace redirects but actually I think many page movers don't leave redirects when they should which leaves admins with a lot of broken redirects to clean up. So, I don't know if this proposal is a great idea. But I'll look it over, thanks for telling me about it. Liz Read! Talk! 18:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jackson Maier edit

This was/is at afd. I was protecting to stop the creator form move warring. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Deepfriedokra,
I have restored this page. When I saw it, it was a broken redirect, which I see all day long, and I didn't think to look at its history. Editors are draftifying articles throughout the day. I saw I made a mistake and have restored it. I guess we were working on the page at the same time. Sorry to get my wires crossed. Liz Read! Talk! 22:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No prob. The editor that was warned by us both to stop moving pages moved it cause it's at AfD. Totally for blocking now per WP:CIR -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:K.O (rapper) and Category:Elaine edit

Greetings Liz, I was wondering why the two categories I recently created were nominated for SD and I somehow did not find the reason why, I was hoping to get a reason so that I can learn from my mistakes as I thought the categories were to be like Category:AKA (rapper), what is preventing those from being like that instead be nominated for SD? shelovesneo (talk) 02:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, shelovesneo,
I just tag categories that become empty. But I have a script that states which editor has added or removed pages from a category. It looks like User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars emptied both categories. I advise you to ask them why they decided to do this. Any way, an empty category sits for 7 days before it is deleted just in case it was inadvertently emptied so there is time to straighten out any misunderstandings. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 02:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

marked for deletion edit

hi Liz, I am new to wikipedia.I would want to address any concerns that were raised that is making it marked as to be deleted.The page provides valuable information to readers and has got many references . Jjmgwiki (talk) 14:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: redirect CSDs edit

Hi, for Salaga Senior High School(SASS) you said [1] that WP:R3 doesn't apply to page move URLs but I had thought that redirect would probably be eligible under the "unless the moved page was also recently created" criteria since the article was only at that title from 00:44, 6 June 2023‎ to 04:35, 6 June 2023‎. Sounds that sound right, or is it because the redirect itself is reaching the end of that period, probably? Thanks! (Either way no worries just curious for any potential future nominations.) Skynxnex (talk) 23:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Skynxnex,
Well, that's my understanding of CSD R3 which I've gained, in part, from deleting redirects like this and having editors/admins come to my talk page and say that they weren't eligible for this criteria! I didn't think it was controversial to delete redirects that clearly seem like errors and mistakes but I've faced editors who frequent RFD discussions tell me that I made a mistake. So, I've become more cautious.
Redirects seem, at face value, to be very uncomplicated but those editors who discuss them are really the experts which is why I pointed you to nominate this one at RFD. It will either be a slam-dunk easy deletion or those editors will say that there is absolutely nothing wrong with Keeping it. Sorry to ask you to jump through one more hoop. Liz Read! Talk! 23:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sounds reasonable :). Thanks for the added insight. Skynxnex (talk) 23:30, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draft:Indah Megahwati edit

I think Surat antcomp copied and pasted it from user:Ir. Indah Megahwati, MP I think they are the same person. I think the latter wanted to rename and did not know how. It's all very confusing. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:58, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have to ask... edit

Were you moshing to Angry Samoans back in the day...?  ;)

Thanks for everything you do. Caro7200 (talk) 14:20, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Caro7200,
Well, I'm originally from California and I'm old enough to have been working in college radio in the 1980s so while I wasn't a big fan of the group, I'm familiar with them. Seems like another lifetime ago though. I hadn't thought about them in decades until stumbling into that AFD and reading over the article. Liz Read! Talk! 22:42, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for review of draft edit

Hi @Liz, thank you so much for taking the time to reach out regarding my first article - Massimo Vidoni AKA The Truffleman. I'd really appreciate your insight into the re-written article Draft:Massimo Vidoni (AKA The Truffleman)


Nanwikieditor01 (talk) 18:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Nanwikieditor01,
I don't think that I've ever been thanked by an article creator for tagging their article for deletion. This version is much less promotional but still a little much. Overly long articles tend to get more scrutiny because it looks like the author is trying to cram in every detail about them which is not encyclopedic writing which is more of a summary and highlights than a comprehensive overview. Remember, AFC reviewers want to see what other, reliable sources have said about a subject, not what the subject has said about themselves. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 22:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @Liz
Haha, I'm still learning and the wiki on article creation is a lot to internalise so learning by doing is far more effective for me and I appreciate any and all advice and input I can get from folks who've bee doing this for a lot longer. I appreciate your feedback, I'll make sure to cite from more neutral third party sources and condense my writing. Hope you're having a great day!
Nanwikieditor01 (talk) 06:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I see you have been online edit

Hello, I have read that when there is an issue I should seek a recently active admin. Ive been offline for several days, but before, I removed a link to a pedophilia advocacy groups website, which got someone to start cussing me out. Can you check [2] and help me understand if this is acceptable? Underwoods Witch (talk) 03:13, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Underwoods Witch,
First, I do not condone the response you received from that editor which was very incivil. But more importantly, you were indefinitely blocked and just were unblocked through a discussion of admins to give you another chance. I don't think you realize how close you are getting to being blocked again and a second indefinite block will not be easily lifted.
You should stay very far away from contentious areas of the project or making accusations about other editors, this is where you get into trouble. If you don't change direction and start doing some constructive, non-controversial editing, I don't see you lasting much longer as an editor here. The editor you were talking with has years more experience than you have and if they took your exchange to ANI, I don't think you would fare very well there. Stay away from editing in areas that you are emotionally invested in, pick some neglected, boring work to do rather than going to go look for a confrontation. These remarks have nothing to do with whether or not your edit was appropriate, I'm just giving you my best advice at how to best work on a collaborative editing project with lots of editors you might have disagreements with. Admins don't like to see irresolvable conflict so don't give them a reason to reblock you. This has nothing to do with gender or the subject matter but with how you choose to interact with others which is an area where many editors get into trouble. Go write about movies, books, TV shows, historical figures, railroads, suffragettes, but stay away from pedophilia. Liz Read! Talk! 03:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, I am not very vested in the subject, i had just had read a link here where 12 people were banned for adding similar content to that article, and two related articles about a month ago, so I figured I would inform them that this project is against linking to propedophilia organizations. I may have misread it, and will stick to articles about food so editors don't cuss me out again. Underwoods Witch (talk) 03:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do you think I was wrong to tell them to discuss it on the talk page? Do you think that link should remain? I'm not sure how far out of bounds i may be, so I appreciate your uninvolved input. Thank you for this. Underwoods Witch (talk) 03:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New page patrol October 2023 Backlog drive edit

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why didn't you just delete what I tagged? edit

I indicated in my edit summary for the deletion of User:Fred Luciano that the user already had the same content in a sandbox of which he also has another. Now, that very-confused new user has a third copy at Draft:The Shrine of the Five Wounds of Our Lord Jesus Christ thanks to you, at least one of which you were supposed to delete. Chris Troutman (talk) 12:43, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Chris troutman,
How about I just ignore pages that you tag since you are so dissatisfied? I'll let another admin handle them since I'd rather not hear your complaints. Liz Read! Talk! 03:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Adminship is a toolset you utilize for everyone,. I left an edit summary to explicate my reasoning, to try to help you out. The best thing for you to do is simply apologize for an honest mistake and move on. Chris Troutman (talk) 13:51, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Need solution edit

Hello @Liz, I hope you're doing well. Thanks for updating User:C1K98V/TestMove. Can you help me out with G6. I'm reaching out to you with lot of hope. Thanks C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 09:03, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, C1K98V,
I'm not sure what you are seeking to do here. Sheezan Mohammed Khan was already moved to the Sheezan Khan page title a few days ago. If you want to do a page move, it's best to start a discussion on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 03:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Septermber GOCE newsletter edit

Guild of Copy Editors September 2023 Newsletter


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Request for Undeletion of Article Page Qing Madi edit

Hi i would like to request an undeletion of Article page @Qing madi into draft for further edits. Recent information has been discovered on account of this page as regards chart entries and Nominations.

Thank You

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qing Madi George Nyiam (talk) 15:05, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, George Nyiam,
Can you give me some indication what new information you have that that would help this article? Because there was a clear consensus to Delete. Liz Read! Talk! 03:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Liz She few weeks earlier she maintained number 1 ( her single "Ole" Ft. bxnx) on apple music Uganda chart, and number 3 in Nigeria amongst other music charts including turntable charts etc.
https://kworb.net/itunes/artist/qingmadi.html , https://www.officialcharts.com/songs/qing-madi-ft-bnxn-ole/ https://www.turntablecharts.com/Charts/Top50 https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/top-100-uganda/pl.b9e553253ed24c2a829c9c08209e5f67 https://kworb.net/charts/apple_s/ug.html
If you need more please don't hesitate.
Warm regards!
I George Nyiam (talk) 09:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dodi Khan edit

Liz, I removed the speedy tag suggesting this one go to AfD due to possible notability. Then I saw you had tagged it; I would have contacted you first before doing this. There are multiple gushy refs but my reasoning was that they are refs nonetheless even if marginal.

Honestly, sometimes I do this sort of thing based on my interpretation of Wikipedia’s guidelines, then look again at what I untagged and wonder why. I see I just untagged an article that fails my own non-binding, invalid, unpopular, personal guideline for many popular culture articles. (In a nutshell: “Why do we want these?)

You do what’s best. —A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 03:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, A. B.,
I have no problem with you untagging the article if you thought the criteria I selected was not appropriate. Editors are going to disagree. Use your best judgment. But I did think the article was unsuitable for the project and so I tagged it for being self-promotional and it was deleted. If there had been more than one sentence of content, I would have chosen AFD but speedy deletion seemed like the right form of deletion.
Now that I have time to think about it, I probably should have moved it to Draft space instead. And if this article gets recreated, that's what I'll choose to do. Liz Read! Talk! 03:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sounds good. I’m a secret popular culture deletionist at heart (except when it’s my popular culture.)
A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 03:41, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lists at FAC edit

Hi, I see that you deleted Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/List of Bath City F.C. seasons/archive1 per G6 but left Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/List of Bath City F.C. managers/archive1 alone. They were virtually identical: why one and not the other? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Redrose64,
I patrol CSD categories and this page was tagged for deletion by User:Buidhe. The other page was not. I do not know why one page was tagged for CSD and not the other. Maybe they will see this ping and respond to explain their tagging decision. Liz Read! Talk! 00:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The FAC coordinators may optionally mark an FAC for deletion if it's ineligible. I did not notice the second one but I have tagged it now. (t · c) buidhe 01:20, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Characters of The King of Fighters series edit

I think there's been some confusion with the naming. Right now we're trying to separate the actual video game character lists from articles in a list-format per a discussion here. That's why it was moved to the Characters title, because there's some dev/reception going on there instead of a straightfoward list like the Smash Bros. or Animal Crossing ones. Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Kung Fu Man,
Is there anything you need me to do? Liz Read! Talk! 00:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah well see the thing is you ended up moving it from there to List of The King of Fighters characters, and I don't think I can move it back. It was also just the main article and not the talk page from the looks of it?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Kung Fu Man,
Thanks for telling me about the Talk page, that should have been moved when the article was moved. It was User:Tollens that requested this article move through CSD G6 Move. I have no opinion about it, maybe there should be a talk page discussion or a request at WP:RM. Liz Read! Talk! 03:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi - I requested the move after a discussion at User:Arjayay's talk page (though this should likely have been at the article's talk, my apologies - didn't see that the page was moved recently, let alone from the title it was moved to) - my concern was that the title after a recent move to "Characters of The King of Fighters series" contains no article (since "The" is part of the name of the series). Arjayay had moved the page from "Characters of the The King of Fighters series", which, while grammatically correct, looks and sounds silly. I suggested a pagemove to a less ambiguous title and proposed the current title, but I agree it isn't quite a list. If there is a title which is unambiguously grammatically correct, looks reasonable, and conforms to Wikipedia's naming standards, I would fully support a move there, but I'd rather avoid simply reverting the move to either of the two previous titles as (in my personal opinion) it's more important that the title make sense than it exactly conform to the naming standards. Tollens (talk) 03:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A talk page or RM discussion might also be helpful to get more brains thinking of a reasonable title - I've been thinking about it for quite a while and can't seem to figure one out. Tollens (talk) 03:56, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I might offer a suggestion, why not just Characters of the King of Fighters series, with the lowercase "the"? The series is often shortened in secondary reliable sources so it should satisfy all the issues. What do you think Arjayay and Tollens?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There's a consensus at Talk:The King of Fighters#Page name to use "The" in the series name, though it was quite small and 16 years ago - I think your suggested title is better than what we have now (and I'd be happy with a move there if we can't come up with something else) but I'd prefer if we managed to match the other articles about the series. Tollens (talk) 05:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Witchcraft (traditional) edit

I was surprised that you chose to delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Witchcraft (traditional) while commenting that the content appeared to be valid enough to continue work. I don't understand why the proper venue would be to push it into draft space; I understand the purpose of that is to be part of the AfC process to reduce creation of spam and other inappropriate content by anonymous users. I'm not sure what the benefit of requiring it to go through the clogged AfC process would be. My understanding of Wikipedia is mainspace is supposed to provide constant opportunity for revision and improvement. Regardless, I would very much like to resume providing editing the page to provide sourced material on the topic. Darker Dreams (talk) 01:13, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Darker Dreams,
I closed this AFD based on the consensus I saw in the participant's comments. I see a couple options available to you. I offered to Userfy this article, that's a possibility. Or, you could go to Wikipedia:Deletion review if you want to appeal my AFD closure. Or you could start a new article from scratch that addresses the problems brought up in the AFD. Let me know how you would like to proceed. Liz Read! Talk! 01:22, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fine, please let me know where to find the draft. Darker Dreams (talk) 01:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just following up on this request. Darker Dreams (talk) 00:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Trying again to follow up on this request. I see you have taken action on other similar requests made since this conversation. Is there something additional that you need from me? Darker Dreams (talk) 05:35, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Far future release categories? edit

Hello. A category was recently created to accomodate 100 Years (film). I think this category (and similar others) is of little encyclopedic use, given the utter uncertainty such a release going through (the copy could be damaged or destroyed, someone could steal the safe, the company could change their mind fifty years from now, etc.). While it could be argued that any category for an unreleased work is a crystal ball, something this far out is just too imprecise to serve as anything other than a curiosity. 2803:4600:1116:F44:88B1:E34E:B521:CBD6 (talk) 04:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, 2803:4600:1116:F44:88B1:E34E:B521:CBD6,
I can't delete a category because you don't like it. You need to make a nomination at WP:CFD put forth your argument and see if the other editors who work with categories agree with you. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 05:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Please WP:REFUND the deleted Sudden Death Seven-ball to User:SMcCandlish/Incubator/Sudden Death Seven-ball; a summarized version of it would make reasonable list content, if we do a list of cue-sports media (there are several prior deleted article that would also make good entries).  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  07:15, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, SMcCandlish,
  Done Sorry for the delay, I missed seeing your message and life off-line has been crazy this week. Good luck with the article. Liz Read! Talk! 01:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, and no hurry. It'll take a while to dig up additional material for such a list, if WikiProject Cue Sports is even interested in it.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  01:27, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion review for Ramakrishna Mission Brahmananda College of Education edit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ramakrishna Mission Brahmananda College of Education. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Supriyomj16022008 (talk) 11:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Books & Bytes – Issue 58 edit

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C1 deletion template edit

We need to get that template changed. All of those that you restored the template clearly said "on or after" today's date. Looking at the code, I see that the intent is 7x24 hours, but it is only displaying the date. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok, I took a stab at updating the template. This should help. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, UtherSRG,
All I know is that I've been tagging and later deleting empty categories since I became an admin 8 years ago and this is how we have always handle things. We've always deleted time-based tagged deletions at the time specified, in this case, 7 days after they have been tagged (literally). It just keeps things orderly. Same with PRODs and G13 expired drafts, we either use the time and date tagged or the time and date of the last edit to the page.
I'll look into the specific wording of the tags, probably with Pppery. Sorry, but I guess I'm just a creature of habit about time-based tagged page deletions especially when there is no reason to delete these pages early. Liz Read! Talk! 16:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(ec) I'll look at the changes made. Liz Read! Talk! 16:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have no issue with that; I was simply following the instructions on the tag. My change makes it explicitly align with current practice. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WP 1.0 updates edit

We're revisiting the WP:1.0 process, including how it interacts w/ categories + templates vs potential wikidata properties (and other automated assessments now being done continuously by bots and models); and hoping to update the assessments again soon. Give a shout if you're interested in that discussion. – SJ + 16:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Undelete Ruslan Sabirly edit

Hi, Liz.
How are you? I am unsatisfied for deletion of Ruslan Sabirly page and don’t agree with the result.
Unfortunately, i could not participate in discussion, as I knew about it after page deletion. And also page was deleted with only 3 delete comment. Also it seems Azerbaijani Togrul R. has its own conflict with Ruslan Sabirly as wants delete his page everywhere. This is not first time he does it.

Anyway Togrul R. says: “The fact that he is the first verified user in the region doesn't make them notable”. But this is not shown as a reason, this is just like title, because he got verified in 2014, when this was not available in Azerbaijan. He got it from Germany producers, while worked there on movie project. From another point why Togrul mention only this, but not Ruslan Sabirly’s career and activity?

He also mentioned that "Foreign tourism expert" isn't a notable role. But Ruslan Sabirly has played 9 leading roles on famous movies and TV series, which are mentioned in page.

Another Delete comment is: article's sourcing consists of promotional blurbs in clearly unreliable Azerbaijani websites, and passing mentions in slightly better but still probably unreliable Azerbaijani websites. That is not true, there are a lot of articles and interview about him and his career on Ministry of Culture of Azerbaijan Republic’s, governmental news agency AzerTag’s, and Azerbaijani leading news websites as 1news.az, trend.az, milli.az, day.az, azernews.az. these are alla reliable news portals and sources.
 If you Google his name Ruslan Sabirly (in English) and as Ruslan Sabirli (in Azerbaijani), you can see all this articles and Google Knowledge page. By the way i went through link in deletion discussion panel and it searched “Ruslan Sabirly” which make sense for search result and it brings not correct results.

So, Ruslan Sabirly is not the promo page. Also he was anchor on TV morning show. Also he was directed movie The Call. Also he is founder and producer of big festival which is held with support of government and other organizations for 5 year. This festival brings writers and cinematographers in together, helped them realize theirselves and make them popular to whole country. This project was a first time event in such theme.

All mentioned above makes him encyclopedic person. And that is why i am kindly asking yo to undelete this page, please. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Russolini1979 (talkcontribs) 11:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Russolini1979,
Could you provide me with a link to the deleted page? Then I can see why it was deleted and if anything can be done about it. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 15:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Liz. Thank you for your reply.
Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruslan_Sabirly
Best regards. Russolini1979 (talk) 23:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Russolini1979,
This article was deleted in a unanimous decision in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruslan Sabirly. I can't just revert consensus and restore this article to the main space as if the AFD didn't happen. Liz Read! Talk! 03:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Liz.
Unanimous decision of 3 comment, which are not correct and not telling truth. And that was without my arguments. That is not right. I disagree with it. All that means if 3 person agree to delete any person’s page, they can move it to deletion discussion and result will be “delete”. But where is truth, justice? So, we can not trust and believe on Wikipedia.
What does AFD mean?
Best regards. Russolini1979 (talk) 12:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What to do know? Russolini1979 (talk) 12:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Russolini1979: You can attempt to take this to WP:DRV, but I expect the deletion would be upheld there. You can read up on what constitutes reliability in sourcing as well as independence in sourcing to better understand why your claims that it should be restored will not work. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draft:UFC 27 edit

Hi Liz, request undelete the above page under Draft - G13 so I could work on it. Thank you. Cassiopeia talk 03:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you Liz. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 03:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Restore Kristiāna Zacmane edit

Hello! Please restore deleted page Kristiāna Zacmane - Latvian women's national team player. I will provide more sources. Thank you Renārs Krīgers (talk) 13:30, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@RenarsKrigers: I have restored it to Draft:Kristiāna Zacmane where you will have some time and space to work on it. Please submit it for review when you are ready. @GiantSnowman: You asked to be pinged on this at the AFD. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:17, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. GiantSnowman 18:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. Today was moving day for me and I'm just logging in now. I appreciate TPS! Liz Read! Talk! 21:49, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You bet! - UtherSRG (talk) 11:47, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You've got mail edit

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Bicycle Health has been accepted edit

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Report Violation edit

Hello this article created by same person with another name and change title just 25days after deletion by discussion to bypass wikipedia rules : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra_Rafee_Nia

The article deleted via discussion : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mitra_Rafee Moaijf92 (talk) 09:46, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It has now been deleted as G4. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, Moaijf92, it looks like it's been taken care of. Thanks for the notice. Liz Read! Talk! 22:05, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thinking about a new hobby edit

Liz, I have edited Wikipedia because it's fun and interesting. I get the feeling I'm doing something useful for society.

That feeling has been fading away since the start of the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalki Avatar and Muhammad. I put in a lot of work with nothing to show for it but a lot of abuse (and your note).

This blatant abuse was tolerated by administrators at:

And now today at:

I try scrupulously to follow the rules and keep my cool even as I'm goaded to try to force a misstep on my part. It's hard work but I think I do it pretty well.

In these discussions, I got attacked. If the abuser lost momentum, other related abusers magically appeared. Finally, some admin maybe stepped in and maybe waved their arms at the abusers - but nothing really changed.

Meanwhile, I get told by regular editors or admins I should maybe have done something differently:

  • not posted on the AfD talk page [and with a note on the AfD to go to the talk page] instead of on the AfD page
  • not reverted a prematurely closed DRV by an involved editor because "socks" (never mind what policy actually says about reversions)
  • not told an IP that I would not give my contact data and only accept messages through the Wikipedia system, thereby encouraging them to contact me because, well, somehow something or the other…

So the abusers get off and I go away chastened, unvalidated and a bit less enthusiastic about helping here.

I think some admin(s) need to seriously put their feet down.

Or am I just a slow learner in the wrong environment? --A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 04:09, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, A. B.,
This is obviously very important and serious but it's Friday night where I'm at and this whole week I've been cleaning, packing and moving. I want to give this whole discussion the consideration it deserves but I'll have a fresher mind and more ideas in the morning. That's when I'm most alert. I just wanted you to know that I saw this and will review it all and give it the proper attention tomorrow. This is not a brush-off, I just am tired and know my limitations right now. When dealing with interpersonal issues, it doesn't help things to be at a low point in ones energy and patience. One makes carelesss statements. I hope this delay is okay. I also might choose to offer some of my response in an email if I think that it would be comments that would best not to air publicly like on this talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 04:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Go to bed. I hate all three of those things with a passion.
--A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 04:25, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
By the way, when I said I hate all three of those things, I meant “cleaning, packing and moving.”
not something else.
A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 23:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Signpost: 16 September 2023 edit

Regarding conflict in Tambaram and Avadi pages and related articles edit

The above two places Tambaram and Avadi were considered suburban areas of Chennai City and are part of it's Metropolitan Area.Recently they were upgraded to Municipal Corporation status by merging adjoining suburbs and local bodies.In India,a Municipal Corporation is considered a City,not a suburb of another City.Please look into the same. Raghavan(Talk) 05:48, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Raghavan,
Very interesting but what are you asking me to do? I'm not sure what you want. Liz Read! Talk! 05:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you are familiar with Jersey City which evolved as a suburb of New York City and eventually became an Edge City you can relate to this.Jersey is considered a separate administrative unit and not a suburb now.Similarly in India we have cities like Gurgaon and Ghaziabad adjoining Delhi,Howrah adjoining Kolkata and Navi Mumbai and Thane adjoining Mumbai but all are considered separate administrative units.So why not Tambaram and Avadi? Raghavan(Talk) 06:11, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for undeletion edit

Hi Liz! I noticed you deleted The Frog Princess (film) under CSD G8. I’m just leaving this message to request its undeletion, as - prior to this edit by the sockpuppet - it seems that it was a valid redirect to The Princess and the Frog. (I’m hoping that’s the right diff I’ve linked there — I got it from the contribs page that I had open before the deletion took place.)

All the best (also I love your editnotice!), user:A smart kittenmeow 15:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, A smart kitten,
I just deleted a broken redirect which is a page that has a link to a deleted article, in this case, to The Frog Princess (1954 film). If there is a valid target article, you can recreate the redirect. If you are interested in The Frog Princess (1954 film), please contact the admin who deleted that page. Since it was deleted as the work of a sockpuppet though, it's unlikely that it will be restored. But you can ask. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 01:32, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Liz,
To clarify, I’m not interested in The Frog Princess (1954 film) - I’ve been working through the sock’s contribs and so I think it was probably me who tagged it as G5.
The reason I was asking for the redirect to be undeleted (and then retargeted back to The Princess and the Frog), rather than just recreating the redirect, was because it seemed like it might have history from a fair bit of time ago, which would be lost if I just recreated it. However, if that’s what would be best, I can do that.
Best, user:A smart kittenmeow 06:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Paul Grima edit

I see you rejected this draft here. I removed some unsourced content today, and I'm not sure the article is ready for prime-time. Do you feel it should move back to draft? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Magnolia677,
I didn't "reject" Draft:Paul Grima, it was deleted as an expired draft, CSD G13 which occurs if a draft article has gone at least 6 months without editing. It looks like Paul Grima isn't the strongest article but you can decide whether or not to draftify it. Since you have heavily edited the article already, you might reach out to the article creator with a talk page notice including your concerns. Liz Read! Talk! 01:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've never sent an article to draft. Do you I have ability? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:00, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I want to talk to you sister edit

I need to talk to you a lot. The topic is about Wikipedia. You give your whatsapp phone number. Then I will talk through whatsapp. Srabanta Deb (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Srabanta Deb,
There is no way I would give anyone on Wikipedia my personal information. And I don't use Whatsapp. You can post a message here or send me an email message. Liz Read! Talk! 01:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I created an English Wikipedia entry named Santa Das Kathiababa a few days ago. But after a few days the entry was deleted from Wikipedia. I seek your help with this registration you work to create Santa Das Kathiababa article again. Santa Das Kathiababa was the chief disciple of Ramdas Kathiyababa of the Nimbarka Sampradaya of Hinduism. Former president of Prayag Kumbh Mela, 18th century Indian Hindu leader and religious leader, former Chief Justice of Calcutta High Court and social worker. But because there is no detailed information about him on Google or online, he has been deleted from English Wikipedia. I have made Wikipedia entries about him twice before. But deleted both times. Now it is a request to you from the devotees and followers of Santa Das Kathiababa that you work to renew this register and make the new generation interested in knowing about him. Thank you. Srabanta Deb (talk) 01:31, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Srabanta Deb,
This article and draft has been deleted multiple times. You can read the reasons why in the AFD. Several administrators have deleted this article and made it clear that, as written, the content is not suitable for this project. Wikipedia doesn't exist for advertising a person or religious group and your writing is heavily promotional. You can start a new draft but if you move a similar article back into main space, it will be deleted again. Personal appeals to me are not effective, this is about the consensus of editors in an AFD deletion discussion and Wikipedia policy on notability and sources. I think it would be best if you moved on to write articles about other subjects. You've been given lots of messages that this article is not wanted on Wikipedia and if you keep ignoring these messages, you could end up losing your editing privileges.
Consider starting your own blog instead where you can write whatever you want and you don't have to follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 01:38, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Santa Das Kathiababa entry should be on Wikipedia. Because he is an Indian 18th century spiritual guru of Hinduism. 18th century spiritual leaders like Ramakrishna, Sarada Devi, Ramdas Kathiababa, Swami Vivekananda, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Santa Das Kathiababa was like them. If the registration of all of them can be placed in Wikipedia, then why Santa Das Kathiababa's registration can not be placed in Wikipedia? A group of people or registrants on Wikipedia are doing this to insult the leader and guru of our Nimbarka Sampradaya community. So being a devotee and follower of Nimbarka Sampradaya community we want you to create Santa Das Kathiababa registration yourself. Then this registration will not be deleted from Wikipedia by any administrator or registrant. Srabanta Deb (talk) 02:14, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:WHATABOUT is not a valid argument. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Srabanta Deb, deleting an article is not an "insult". If the reliable sources aren't there, they aren't there. It might be too soon. If you find some stronger references, maybe there could be an article in the future. I'm sure that the articles have been evaluated according to Wikipedia policies and guidlines and not based on editors' opinion of Santa Das Kathiababa. And I'm not sure what you mean by "registration", that's not a term that's used on Wikipedia. Like I suggested, work on a draft that overcomes the problems that caused the previous versions of the article to be deleted. If you want a second opinion, please bring your concerns to the Teahouse. Liz Read! Talk! 02:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
UtherSRG He added the delete tag to all my registrations a while back. I deleted all his tags. Please see all the registrations I have made. And save my registrations from deletion. Srabanta Deb (talk) 02:45, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have no idea what you mean by "registrations". I've been on Wikipedia for 10 years and I've never seen that word used. Liz Read! Talk! 02:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You've got mail! edit

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D.I.C.E. Award winners. edit

Look, I understand that the individual D.I.C.E. Awards may not be defining but I have to point that there are category pages for the British Academy Game Awards winners at Category:BAFTA winners (video games). In my opinion, the D.I.C.E. Awards are more defining than the British Academy Game Awards. There are also categories for Category:Game Developers Choice Award winners, Category:Golden Joystick Award winners, and even Category:New York Game Award winners. There also category GOTY winner categories for the Game Developers Choice Awards and Golden Joystick Awards. At the very least I will be recreating the categories for D.I.C.E. Award winners and D.I.C.E. Award for Game of the Year winners. MR.RockGamer17 (talk) 14:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unusable copyvio rewrites edit

Hi, Liz! I tagged the copyvio rewrite proposed at Talk:Mary Raine (football)/Temp for deletion as G6 as it could not be used to replace the copyvio article Mary Raine (football) because it was not copyvio–free (but was not bad enough to be eligible for deletion as G12). It's a mystery to me why you thought that moving an unrepaired copyvio to draft space was a good idea, but I've gone ahead and deleted it myself this time around. Just a note to remind you that pages with titles such as Talk:Foo/Temp and Draft talk:Bar/Temp are special copyvio rewrite pages. If they're usable they can be moved to replace the existing copyvio page; if they aren't, they should be deleted. I don't know what criterion other than G6 could apply in most such cases, so that's the criterion I use (it's also the criterion I use to delete copyvios that have been listed for over seven days at WP:CP without resolution). Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Query edit

Hi Liz,

Thank you for your query, there is a simple explanation. I had an old draft page for Alex Matos, but I became aware that a page on main space for that football player exists, so my draft had become superfluous. So I deleted the info and used the template to create a page Jefry Valverde, another football player on my to-do list. I appreciate if that’s lazy, I hadn’t done it before and I will happily not do it again, turns out it doesn’t actually save that much time anyway (I’m just meant to be on holiday, and not doing things like that)

best wishes G Hildreth gazzard (talk) 20:14, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion of Taiporoporo / Charles Sound edit

Kia ora Liz,

I noticed that you recently deleted the above redirect, which was created following a page move of the article now at Charles Sound, stating that the redirect was "obviously an error". It's not actually an error, but rather the official name of the fiord and has been the article title multiple times in the past. I'm wondering whether it would be possible for you to undo the deletion? Ngā mihi, Turnagra (talk) 09:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Turnagra: I've restored the redirect. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:32, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

the new friend......geromy wood edit

about the deletion discussion in jeremy wood, where's the actual discussion? cogsan(give me attention)(see my deeds) 11:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Cog-san: There is none. There are three deletion processes: speedy deletion, proposed deletion, and deletion discussion. The article in question is using the middle of the three. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:35, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i completely misread that lmao
but if that's the case, i'm in favor of deleting it
even after another quick look, i didn't find any confirmation that he wasn't just a collective hallucination cogsan(give me attention)(see my deeds) 11:44, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was forced to quit editing my Wikipedia because of you. edit

Why did delete Gopalji Radhabihari Ashram (Santdham) from Wikipedia? All information in this register was reliable and accurate. Why did you delete this edit anyway? Why are you suggesting and deleting all the edits I wrote? You are insulting me and deleting all the edits without showing respect to any of my edits. Again now Nimbarka Ashram, Sylhet and Kathiababa Ka Sthan,Vrindavan and started proposing to delete. You will also delete them. I regret to inform you that I will not be making new edits and entries on Wikipedia. Because you are deleting all my edits. stay well I hope to get the correct answer to my question. Feel free to let me know any feedback you have. Srabanta Deb (talk) 13:19, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Srabanta Deb: I believe this is directed to me, not to Liz. I blocked you because after multiple warnings about removing AFD tags from articles, you continued to do so. I have placed all of the articles you've created up for deletion review. The community will decide if they stay or if they will be deleted. These discussions are based on our policies, and you have been informed of this previously and we have pointed you to those policies. Your inability to understand these policies does not excuse you from them. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Srabanta Deb,
I closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gopalji Radhabihari Ashram (Santdham) as a Soft Deletion. It can be restored upon request. I'm not following what articles you edit, I just look at open AFDs every day and close the ones that are due to be close. This is not personal. If articles you create are nominated for deletion, you should read the critique of them and try to address what problems other editors are finding in these articles so they meet Wikipedia standards. I have tried to give you advice and feedback over and over again but you don't seem to be reading what I am saying and you are reacting emotionally. Wikipedia is governed by policies and guidelines, not by personal appeals. Liz Read! Talk! 00:27, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Modern Muse edit

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Modern_Muse. Sorry, but consensus schmonsensus. I doubt those people even looked. There aren't *any* reliable sources in the article, and given the UPE block of the original creator, the lack of any link to the proposed target, this just doesn't make any sense. If this had been created yesterday, it would have been a no-brainer G11. At least a relist might give a chance for a few more people to take a look and come to the only reasonable conclusion on this one. (talk) 17:40, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No content was Merged and the page was turned into a Redirect. I guess the AFD didn't close the way you wanted but the situation is moot right now. Liz Read! Talk! 00:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)≤≤≤Reply[reply]

WikiProject Celts edit

Hi Liz, I removed your speedy deletion request for Category:Category-Class Celts articles, because it appears to be a project category for Wikipedia:WikiProject Celts ...no, I'd never heard of the project before either, despite editing Wales articles for 10 years :) Sionk (talk) 13:01, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reason for deleting the Sematary article? edit

I have read the article twice and didn't seem to find anything wrong with it, what was the reason for the deletion? And, if it was bad, why wasn't it rewritten instead of removed? FandomCereal (talk) 15:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@FandomCereal: The article you are referring to was deleted in accordance with the community decision at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sematary, and for the reasons so listed. Looking at the deleted article, I do not find a single reference that satisfies the golden rule. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FYI edit

Yet again, I have asked Scope creep to leave me alone. I don't know what else can be done but I've had enough. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sometimes I wonder! edit

Knowing you often have words of wisdom for less experienced editors, and seeing that you have already posted some on the editor's talk page (below the item I am linking to), do you have anything you might suggest to them to allow them to remain enthusiastic, but to temper their knee jerk reactions, please?

The full link to the conversation is User talk:OlifanofmrTennant#About a draft you accepted 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Timtrent,
I've left them a message. I think they have to decide whether they want to learn and improve with AFC reviewing or move on to another task. It's not easy to hear criticism, and as you know, even very experienced editors receive criticism, but I appreciate the time you spent on their talk page going through different issues you had with their editing and reviewing processes. Leaving personal messages can be time-consuming and you might be surprised by the fact that the vast majority of editors, even ones that have been here a long time, do not leave anything other than template notices on User talk pages. But I think a personal note and gentle nudge can often steer an editor in the right direction and I'm grateful you do so. I wish more editors would communicate one-on-one with editors and not let problems build until they spill into noticeboards. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 18:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. I hope your message will get though. I haven't read it yet!. I was wondering whether my best was good enough this time. I began to doubt it. I see huge enthusiasm and potential capability.
Receiving criticism is a decision. We can receive it well and accept or rejects it with a good heart, something I try hard to do, or we can throw a hissy fit! or, we can be somewhere im the middle!
I chose to ask you because you are one of the remarkably small pool of people who care about the people of the project. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've read it now. Good message, full of balance and caring. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New pages patrol newsletter edit

Hello Liz,

New Page Review article queue, March to September 2023

Backlog update: At the time of this message, there are 11,300 articles and 15,600 redirects awaiting review. This is the highest backlog in a long time. Please help out by doing additional reviews!

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PageTriage code upgrades: Upgrades to the PageTriage code, initiated by the NPP open letter in 2022 and actioned by the WMF Moderator Tools Team in 2023, are ongoing. More information can be found here. As part of this work, the Special:NewPagesFeed now has a new version in beta! The update leaves the NewPagesFeed appearance and function mostly identical to the old one, but updates the underlying code, making it easier to maintain and helping make sure the extension is not decommissioned due to maintenance issues in the future. You can try out the new Special:NewPagesFeed here - it will replace the current version soon.

Notability tip: Professors can meet WP:PROF #1 by having their academic papers be widely cited by their peers. When reviewing professor articles, it is a good idea to find their Google Scholar or Scopus profile and take a look at their h-index and number of citations. As a very rough rule of thumb, for most fields, articles on people with a h-index of twenty or more, a first-authored paper with more than a thousand citations, or multiple papers each with more than a hundred citations are likely to be kept at AfD.

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Draft abuse? edit

Hello there. Is this an abuse of the process, as I am sure it is? This article should have been automatically deleted long ago, right? — Smuckola(talk) 17:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Smuckola,
No, it's not an abuse. I sometimes make dummy edits to an expiring draft so that it is not deleted. It would be simpler if the editor just moved the page to User space but as long as someone is editing a draft, it's not deleted as a CSD G13. It can be irritating when an editor just goes through dozens and dozens of drafts, delaying their deletion (for unknown reasons) but technically, that's no violation either. If it was all the editing an editor did (and an IP editor did that once), it could verge on disruptive editing but I've never seen it result in a block or sanction. Liz Read! Talk! 02:36, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay thanks. Yeah everybody should use a sandbox! What a magical gift of common sense the sandbox is. Of course, Wikipedia should have any real editor training and reputations, and usability engineering, whatsoever. I'm a newb at draft space, because I immediately committed to not make junk or to be a pest since I first started! I'm embarrassed if I make more than two consecutive edits in a main space article! So I was just checking. OK, curiosity answered, and I don't mean to jabber at ya. But you're a very nice person. — Smuckola(talk) 06:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reason for deleting 613 Torah Ave article edit

Hi I noticed you deleted "613 Torah Ave" because you couldn't find sources other than online stores. This isn't true. Apparently you don't seem to know "Orthodox Judaism". These are albums that every single kid grew up on. There are numerous articles written on it. Why don't you do more research before deleting it. Or at least give someone a chance to defend the claim. Thanks. BangKettle (talk) 21:05, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, BangKettle,
Please provide me with a link to the delete page you are concerned about. Then I can see if anything can be done about it. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 02:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
613 Torah Avenue
Thank you BangKettle (talk) 00:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Any update? BangKettle (talk) 18:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BangKettle: This was an expired WP:PROD. The rationale on the PROD was Unsourced article. Only found listings on online stores and trivial mentions in some books, lacks significant coverage or reviews to pass WP:MUSIC As an expired PROD, you can request its restoration at WP:RFU. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your decline of Ussr:James100000/sandbox1 edit

Hello! I tagged that page with WP:A3 because of the misspelled "Ussr", which means that it was technically in mainspace. However, I admit that a better approach would have been to simply move it to userspace and tag the resulting redirect with R2. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 02:18, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Dsuke1998AEOS,
I didn't even notice that misspelling. Still, A3 wouldn't apply. I did delete it though as a CSD G6 error page. You've got a good eye, thanks for spotting it. Liz Read! Talk! 02:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Second Intifada AfD edit

Liz, can you reopen the WP:Articles for deletion/Civilian casualties in the Second Intifada as there has been a late comment at WP:Requests for undeletion#Civilian casualties in the Second Intifada. Jay 💬 05:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Jay,
Well, just so I'm clear, is this a request to restore the deleted article? Or a request to revert my closure and relist the discussion? Because if the discussion is relisted, it can just be closed by another closer. But it seems like that is what you are asking for.
By the way, it's late here so I'll be heading to bed in a little bit but if I don't get to this tonight, I'll address it in the morning. Liz Read! Talk! 06:07, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, to revert the close and relist the discussion, as it was closed only today. Older soft deletes would be restored at RfU. Jay 💬 06:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Jay,
  Done Sorry for the delay. Liz Read! Talk! 18:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For reference, the RfU was archived to WP:Requests for undeletion/Archive 389#Civilian casualties in the Second Intifada. Jay 💬 07:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Need some more RD2s on Richard Thompson Ford edit

Thanks for cleaning up after the latest incident. Do you think you could go ahead and revdel the stuff from Kianni from the other day as well? It's more of the same. Box of wolves (feed) 02:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Box of wolves,
  Done Thanks for pointing out those edits, I didn't notice them. I've protected the article for a week. Liz Read! Talk! 02:45, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! Box of wolves (feed) 02:46, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wildwood Cemetery (Wincester, Massachusetts) edit

Hi. This is definitely not a big deal, but I moved Wildwood Cemetery to Wildwood Cemetery (Winchester, Massachusetts) to make way for a dab page (thanks for moving that one, btw). Only problem is along the way I accidentally moved it to Wildwood Cemetery (Wincester, Massachusetts), a misspelling. I thought G7 would apply since I'm the one who created the misspelled redirect a few minutes earlier. It's only housekeeping, so we can just leave it as an R from misspelling, but just wanted to let you know my thinking. Station1 (talk) 03:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ahsan Khalil edit

Ahsan Khalil is Pakistani notable writer as you can check his google knowledge panel as well ([[3]]). Kindly restore it, so can wirk on it and replace it resources to independent and reliable resources. Skt34 (talk) 07:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Removing backlinks to pages deleted for G5 edit

Why would you do that? The whole point of removing backlinks is that the pages are not notable. G5 and some other speedy deletion is not followed by any notability discussion. Pelmeen10 (talk) 09:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Organizer Tools Office Hours & Event Discovery Project edit

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Draft:D Billions edit

Hi Liz,

who has once created this? Thanks in advance.--U. M. Owen (talk) 00:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, U. M. Owen,
An editor named User:OfficiallyGoodenough created this draft in 2022. Liz Read! Talk! 03:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Saed Ahmed Bhalli edit

Greetings. Did this AfD close correctly? It doesn't seem so. -The Gnome (talk) 07:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Akaspo (user) edit

Hi, Liz. There's a new editor, Akaspo, that has a history of suspiciously sockpuppet-esque activity. The articles Battle of Chumb (1965) and Rajasthan Front were recently deleted, but they have since been recreated by this WP:SPA. Also created have been Draft:Battle of Batapur and Draft:First Battle Of Hilli. Additional actiivties by this user have been to change articles relating to Pakistani wars by spreading pro-Pakistani propaganda (e.g. "changed it to pakistani victory"; "Pkiatsni [sic] Victory, the other person did not put any source"; "There is nothing that implies 18 Pakistani soldiers were killed"; "Pakistani military victory, Diplomatic stalemate", "changed the claims"). All of the drafts and articles they create are riddled with pro-Pakistan propaganda using poor, pro-Pakistan sources. I believe both of these articlespace articles should be re-deleted until they can be reinstated by a neutral editor, as they are so thoroughly riddled with propaganda that they're beyond salvaging.

Additionally, they have attempted to externally network with blocked, known-sockpuppet accounts such as Altay74 and Pr0pulsion 123, learning Pr0pulsion's Facebook account and going so far as to confirm that they added Altay74 on their Instagram account ("I added you"). (Incidentally, Pr0pulsion 123 has gone on to throw a tantrum over their ban, which is how I found this in the first place). It is abundantly clear, therefore, that this band of users will continue to sockpuppet, and thus I believe these articles should also be WP:SALTed for extended-confirmed protection under WP:CT/IPA.

Although their edits on existing articles have been reverted, I feel like these users are knowingly employing a Gish gallop-style exploitation of Wikipedia's ease of article creation, wherein it takes considerably more effort both to get an article deleted than it does to revert an edit and to even find the article in the first place.

This has all been done in the span of under two weeks and is very clearly an instance of Pakistani nationalism, WP:NOTHERE, and extraordinarily likely sockpuppetry being coordinated outside of Wikipedia. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 00:16, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template talk mistake edit

Thank you for fixing my muck-up at Template talk:John Cain Jr sidebar. Sorry: thought I knew what I was doing and got carried away. AukusRuckus (talk) 16:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

First Time Posting a Wiki Article - May I please get feedback edit


Thank you for your time. It looks like you are the editor that reviewed an article I recently just tried to publish. On the Redirect to deleted page "User:Aidan Park")  Tag: Twinkle (thank). May I please get more clarification on what this means exactly so I can make the changes necessary and know what to do moving forward?

Thank you, have a great evening! Nscheuerman95 (talk) 03:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(talk page watcher) Hi, and hope you're well. Based on the edit history, you moved the draft to the wrong place, so Liz just moved it to the right place. As for the draft itself, you can consider some feedback Anachronist left at Draft:Aidan Park (beginning This draft isn't written in a neutral tone...). After you address it, you can click the button that say Submit the draft for review!. After that, prepare to wait for a while; it may take a while for a reviewer to get to your draft. Hope that helped, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
this was very helpful! thank you so much. :) cheers, have a great evening! Nscheuerman95 (talk) 01:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion review for George Andrews Reserve edit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of George Andrews Reserve. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Govvy (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Govvy,
Thank you, I appreciate you informing me about this. Liz Read! Talk! 19:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion review for Randal Alexander McDonnell, 10th Earl of Antrim edit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Randal Alexander McDonnell, 10th Earl of Antrim. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Pilaz (talk) 13:36, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Pilaz,
Thank you for the notification. It's appreciated. Liz Read! Talk! 19:41, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ferenc Kemény edit

Why did you delete this article? A founding member of the IOC, he was an important and notable sports administrator internationally. Norden1990 (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Norden1990,
The deletion rationale is included at the top of every deleted page, in pink. This article was created by a very prolific sockpuppet. Feel free to write a new article that doesn't have this problem. Liz Read! Talk! 19:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As I recall, it was an excellent article with proper sources and references. --Norden1990 (talk) 19:58, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(talk page watcher) It wasn't. The vast majority of the article was unsourced. I do hope you'll create a new one. I'll paste the couple sources used at your user talk page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for undeletion of 2023-24 North Dakota State Bison men's basketball team edit


I saw that you deleted the 2023-24 North Dakota State Bison men's basketball team page on September 26th, due to the reason of "Relying on a non-existent page". I was curious of the exact page that it relied on, as typically sports team pages will reference a couple different pages that will be created later on in the season due to the lack of relevance on those pages at the present moment. No harm, no foul of course, I just was curious why this page got deleted versus the other pages created for the 2023-24 NCAA Division I men's basketball season that do the same thing and didn't get deleted. I am requesting either an exact page that caused the deletion and/or the undeletion of the article or at least moving it to draft space so I able to remedy the reason for deletion.

Thanks, natethegreat4226 natethegreat4226 (talk) 14:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, natethegreat4226,
I'm not sure what happened here. I restored 2023–24 North Dakota State Bison men's basketball team and it showed the page as a broken redirect to Template:2023–24 Summit League men's basketball standings with a bright red/pink box from a bot saying the page was eligible for speedy deletion. Then I refreshed the page and everything looks okay now. I think when the template that was trancluded was tagged for speedy deletion several days ago, it indicated that this page should be deleted as well. Now that you recreated the template, everything is okay. Tricky things can happen with templates when they are tagged for speedy deletion. For example, if a userbox gets tagged for CSD deletion, every user page that it's on gets tagged for deletion at the same time.
Thanks for following up on this and asking for the article to be restored. Liz Read! Talk! 17:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for helping me out with this! I found out that the template was deleted because a banned user created it, so like you mentioned I recreated it after talking with the user that deleted it. Thank you again for your help with this! natethegreat4226 (talk) 03:33, 30 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User page as G13 edit

Liz, you were pinged at User talk:Jayneelyn#Paid editing. Jay 💬 17:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Jay,
I responded to you there. Basically, they used their User page not only as a site for COI disclosure but also to house a draft that reached its 6 month mark. Liz Read! Talk! 17:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: List of Palestinian civilian casualties in the Second Intifada edit

Hi Liz,

You recently restored the following page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Palestinian civilian casualties in the Second Intifada (2nd nomination), in addition to the Israeli casualty page, and the master second intifada page.

Revisions were commenced on all three pages, but an editor just swooped in and deleted the Palestinian Civilian casualties page while there still was a discussion going on as to the proper future to the page (this has now hobbled the master article, and other editors are now pushing again for the deletion of all three under the justification that one of the articles was already deleted).

Looking to have the page restored per the last undelete so revisions may continue. And if deletion is ultimately necessary, given that this is an ARBPIA topic, isn’t it in accordance with contentious topics guidelines that more discussion and consensus seeking is warranted before things as severe as deletion occurs? Mistamystery (talk) 19:38, 30 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Mistamystery,
You're concerned about List of Palestinian civilian casualties in the Second Intifada, right? I didn't delete this article. The first step is to go to the administrator who closed this AFD discussion and make your case to them. It's best for you if you know what you are asking for, in this case, you might be asking for the discussion to be relisted for another week. If you think the admin made an incorrect assessment of editor consensus in the discussion, then you should appeal the decision at Wikipedia:Deletion review. You need to present a good argument there. But as I see it, those are your options. Liz Read! Talk! 21:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draft:Boothbay Register edit

Hi friend. Hope you're having a good weekend. Normally I'd restore a G13 with just a ping, but wanted to ask if I was missing anything here since it didn't seem stale. It's not enough to go to mainspace, but I think there may be enough sourcing. Any red flags I should know about? Thanks either way. Star Mississippi 01:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Star Mississippi,
Oy! This was my mistake. Here's how we handle CSD G13s. We work with a list generated a week previously by SDZeroBot. For example, today's list is here. As you can see, it was generated a week ago. Then on the day of expiration, we review drafts according to the time signature. Before any draft/User page is deleted, it must be checked to see if there have been edits in the intervening 7 days. I guess I didn't check this one closely enough. The last "human edit" was March 7th, I thought, so it was deleted 6 months later, on September 7th. But an editor had edited the page on August 30. I hope you will believe me when I tell you how rare I think this is. I check every single draft before it is deleted but I guess I was in a hurry or distracted. I've restored the draft. I hope this explains things. Thanks for checking. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No worries at all, it happens especially the volume of articles you process and I never have a reason not to believe you. Fun to see the report, I never had before and kind of wondered how that worked. Good to see you have an aide. I can't keep track of my own drafts. Have a good evening/rest of the weekend. Star Mississippi 01:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

bludgeoning AfD edit

Hi @Liz, To respond to your comment of " bludgeoning" in this discussion. I am not trying to persuade others to my point of view but to participate in the discussion. What I find challenging during an AfD is when an editor casts a KEEP vote claiming that "lots of supporting sources exist" without providing them, and then other editors (often from the same WP) start showing up to also vote KEEP per that editor’s “findings”. I must admit that I get frustrated by this, as I have seen it happen before and it can be a pretty effective way (when combined with votestacking, stealth canvassing..etc) to rig the system. Wafflesvarrg (talk) 09:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requesting attention to spam user account edit

@Liz Happen to come across Special:Contributions/Hussain5121472 seems has spammed some number and info in multiple articles, most still not reverted. Idk if a case of doxing or just spamming.

Approached you since you seem to be last active admin on ANI. Bookku (talk) 10:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(talk page stalker) Thanks! I've reverted everything and reported to WP:AIVsiroχo 10:39, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Julian Calv edit

Hi - thanks for closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julian Calv. The nomination also included Route 4/Thorn and Roots, and that article is now also CSD A9 eligible. Would you be able to take care of that one as well? Many thanks! Dorsetonian (talk) 16:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for taking care of it! Dorsetonian (talk) 05:37, 3 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Liz: edit

I want to make an article about Raditya Adi Mars1117 (talk) 02:56, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Mars1117,
If so, then you are a sockpuppet and will soon be blocked. Liz Read! Talk! 03:05, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

requesting removal of an article containing sensitive information edit

the article for my band (wristmeetrazor) has been repeatedly edited to remove my legal name, as i am in the process of scrubbing in from the internet. someone has made it a point to replace my name and harass me about how i “shouldn’t be in a band” if i don’t want my name online. i’m trying to either gain admin access to the article, or have it completely removed, so that i can fully remove the sensitive info from the edit history. the article is also abandoned and not being kept up to date, and i would like to have full control over it myself to be able to run it properlyUserelaine (talk) 03:38, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Userelaine: Firstly, Wikipedia articles (not "pages") are not under any individual's control; they can be edited by any member of the community. There is no article-based admin privileges. As for removing the article, it can not just be removed because it contains sensitive info and is also abandoned and not being kept up to date. See our deletion policies to see if there are any legitimate reasons that fit your needs. While Liz may have some additional thoughts on the matter, you may be better off asking at the Teahouse or the Help Desk to receive a broader answer to whether or not your concerns merit removing the article. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:38, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
someone using an article to harass me and dox me, on an article that is under the name of a band/LLC that the original writer did not own the rights to, is not grounds for deletion? am i going to have to file some sort of DMCA complaint about this for any action to be taken? i’m not understanding how sensitive info is not grounds for something to be done, at the very least for the person who keeps adding it to be prevented from continuing to do it. Userelaine (talk) 12:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see no harassment or doxing. But like I said, please consult the Teahouse or the Help Desk. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:20, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i will do that, but “putting of personal information including full legal name” is listed under wp:harassment as harassment. Userelaine (talk) 12:29, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That portion of the policy specifically limits it to an editor's personal informaiton. The next section is on what to do: If you have accidentally posted anything that might lead to your being outed, ... it is important that you act promptly to have the edit(s) oversighted. Do not otherwise draw attention to the information. I now suggest Oversight as your next step; though the only outing of your connection to that name was called out by you. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:37, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File Deletion Request edit

Hello, I would like File:Catalan Girl wearing Estelada as Cape.jpeg to be deleted please! I was the person who uploaded the file, but now I would like it to be deleted please and thank you! 😅 — SnowieLuna1212 (talk) 21:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, SnowieLuna1212,
It looks like this file has been deleted. You can thank User:Whpq. Liz Read! Talk! 05:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Signpost: 3 October 2023 edit

Request to check my draft edit

Good morning, please can you help me to access or check my drafts I made yesterday. It was two drafts here are they Draft:Caroline A. Wanga and Draft:Nicolas M. Chaillan Wappa PZ (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2023 edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2023).

  Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC is open regarding amending the paid-contribution disclosure policy to add the following text: Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Wikipedia-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.

  Technical news

  • Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)



Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A barnstar for you! edit

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
I suppose you receive a lot of these, but I wanted to show my appreciation for all that you do regarding deletion. After being active in speedy deletion for some months now, I can see the incredible amount of effort you put into this side of the project. Please accept a heartfelt thank you for your tireless work; I don't know where we would be without you. Schminnte (talk contribs) 17:45, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Greetings, Liz edit

It's taken long but I wish to revive now the article about Minus one (music) which I orphaned back in 2022, for the dearth of effective (non-blog) citations. I would like to give it another try. May I respectfully request for its undeletion, if still possible? Help, please.
Truly yours, Buszmail (talk)

Hello, Buszmail
I'm sorry it's taken me so long to reply to you but I just saw your message. I restored Draft:Minus one (music) for you. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 21:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]