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[1] If we want to disagree on something, we'll have to find something better ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

We just needed a link to the article. Liz Read! Talk! 17:09, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Breitbart is blacklisted, technical wizardry is required. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

All questions are welcomeEdit

No I didn’t. Signpost is part of Wikipedia and we have every right to enforce our policies there. Defamation is a “hair on fire” situation where you remove first and ask questions later. Jehochman Talk 17:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019).

  Administrator changes

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1Floquenbeam's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.
2Fram's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.

  Guideline and policy news

  • In a related matter, the account throttle has been restored to six creations per day as the mitigation activity completed.

  Technical news

  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Community feedback is invited.


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WOPR userEdit

He also joined the person from the redacted site in calling me a sick and twisted pervert. True crime is a specialist subject for me, not an obsession. I feel that someone should care about victims after the media spotlight has changed. If i was wrong, i am sorry. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 00:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Signpost ArbCom caseEdit

Hello Liz, I believe the very first sentence of your ArbCom statement may be disputed. I invite you to read paragraph 4 of my statement, where I provided some evidence. starship.paint (talk) 00:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I think my questions are valid, Starship.paint. Did Smallbones get permission from Fram? If "yes", then he can't be faulted for publishing the Signpost article. If "no", then he violated Fram's rights to not be accused. I don't think one can only take on-wiki evidence, ArbCom needs to see the email exchange that Smallbones mentions that occurred between them. I don't know if that will happen because Smallbones states that Fram wanted to keep it private. But I do know that I'm undecided on the matter until consent has been determined. Otherwise, it is he said, he said.
While you have been very polite, I think you have already made up your mind that any charges against Fram are false.. That's definitely the standpoint of the most vocal Wikipedians but I don't know that this is actually the Truth, with a capital T. But, as you know, Wikipedia doesn't care about truth, we care about verifiability. So, let's have ArbCom see all the available evidence and they can come to a decision. But what I do know for sure is that NONE of us knows the whole story behind this whole mess. Ideally, WMF would disclose more information to ArbCom to make this possible but, unfortunately, that doesn't seem like it will happen. Liz Read! Talk! 01:18, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
(1) Yes, Liz, one cannot only take on-wiki evidence, but that is all I know of and can show, and that shows that Fram disputed before press time. (2) Yes, Liz, ArbCom should take a look at private evidence. (3) No, Liz, I don't agree that any charges against Fram are false. I don't even know Fram, actually. There's so much we don't know. That doesn't mean that we can keep casting more and more aspersions, I hope. Fram might very well have done many bad things, and if so, he has to go. Let ArbCom see it all and decide. starship.paint (talk) 01:24, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, I'll strike that comment then and apologize. You have been so adamant about this issue that I made assumptions about your position. I guess we can both agree that ArbCom should step up and take the lead here because otherwise, there will be continuing acrimony between hard-working editors and the WMF which I think is an unacceptable state of affairs. Liz Read! Talk! 01:43, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes, we agree, ArbCom needs to do the work. Thank you for apologizing. I do want justice for Fram, that does not mean an acquittal on all charges, but that does means the right to reply / defend oneself / appeal, that's all. starship.paint (talk) 01:56, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!Edit

  Lightburst (talk) 20:41, 3 July 2019 (UTC) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it.

To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Thank you, Lightburst! That is very thoughtful of you! Liz Read! Talk! 20:44, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Would you consider a bribe?Edit

If you reverse your vote I will add you to Category:Unblockable users then you too can be unblockable. Jehochman Talk 23:28, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

That's alright. I like living on the edge. Liz Read! Talk! 22:52, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk page accessEdit

You might want to revoke this user's talk page access. —Rutilant 07:30, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

  Done. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:32, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Cullen328. You really are up all night! Liz Read! Talk! 23:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
That was just a little bit after midnight for me, Liz. I need to watch the late night comedy talk shows to unwind, while editing Wikipedia during the commercials and boring parts. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I totally understand although I'm an early bird, rather than a night owl. I edit while watching sitcoms that don't require rapt attention. My family has gotten use to watching me edit while the television is on. I couldn't do this if I was working on content creation but for evaluating spammy pages and tagging them, it's no problem. Liz Read! Talk! 00:55, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
Hi Liz,

I appreciate your work on Wiki, and i need your help Can you help me for editing ?

Thank you, Byumba (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Your first edit you give me a barnstar? Who are you? Have we met, under another account? Liz Read! Talk! 00:00, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Edge Gravity by EricssonEdit

I see you deleted Draft:Edge Gravity by Ericsson under WP:G12.  I don't think that applies. Per, the content of patents is not copyrighted. There may be other reasons to delete this, but not G12. -- RoySmith (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

My mistake then. Thank you for calling it to my attention, Roy, I've restored it. Liz Read! Talk! 16:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Excuse meEdit

Thank you for processing for speedy deletion Template:Current Austrian Football Bundesliga table. But I found one error. Sawol (talk) 03:38, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

  Done, Sawol, because I trust you know more about Austrian football than I do. Liz Read! Talk! 03:44, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Holy Fire - SPIEdit

I have opened a WP:SPI at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tounom, because our friend came back as User:Tunom with the same M.O. Elizium23 (talk) 07:11, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Elizium23. I'll protect the article if it hasn't already been protected. Liz Read! Talk! 23:16, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
You are welcome. His latest target is April 18 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Elizium23 (talk) 23:17, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, he is certainly passionate. I'll check the accounts and that article. Liz Read! Talk! 23:19, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
I think you are possessed by deamons, thats why you dont want to accept the legitimate and well documented contribution regarding Martyr Tunom Tunom (talk) 07:17, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
I dont think I made any personal attack. Martyr Tunom is a well known Saint who is closely related to the Holy Fire. Additionaly he is a person who gave a testimony of the existance of the Holy Fire, and paid this testimony with his life. You allow all other testimonies (mostly against Holy Fire), but you deny this one which was paid by a person's life. Some wikipedians dont want this perfectly legitimate and documented information to appear here. Not only they revert but also they delete the contribution fiercly. For this tottaly irrational attack what other reasonable explaination could you give, if not that they are possessed by deamons, the same deamons that caused Tunom's death? You will certainly be punished by God, for fighting against Truth. Tunom8 (talk) 08:45, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Tunom inserted three nails into the ground and said. In this way, the nails will be inserted into the eyes of those who do not believe. In this way the nails will be inserted in to your eyes too. Just pray that this to happen to you in this temproary life, and not in after life that never ends.Tunom9 (talk) 11:06, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes Issue 34, May – June 2019Edit

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Speedy deletion declined: Category:1954 in volleyballEdit

Hello Liz, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:1954 in volleyball, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Category is populated or is otherwise allowed to be empty. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 09:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

I know the criteria, DeltaQuad. Empty categories that have been tagged sit for 7 days in a separate category and often times get populated during this week. In those cases, we remove the CSD tag and they are removed from the category. It is only when they are empty for seven days and stay empty that they are deleted.
There are strict criteria for empty categories that are allowed to stay empty...tracking categories, category redirects, categories that are subjects of CfD discussions. Otherwise, empty categories are deleted. They can always be recreated if there later proves to be a need for them unless they were subject to a CfD deletion. If you ever see a CSD C1 tagged category that has pages that have been assigned to it, feel free to remove the tag from the category. Liz Read! Talk! 18:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
P.S. I just tag empty categories that appear on this list, Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories.Category:1954 in volleyball might have contents now, but it was empty when I tagged it on July 5th. Liz Read! Talk! 18:56, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Liz, sorry, I didn't know it was you that put up the notice, I know you are aware of the policy. I failed to actually look who put the notice as I just use a script that easily declines or deletes. I didn't notify for the two other ones. Had I known it was for you, I would have just declined without the automated notice. Apologies. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 01:06, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
I was surprised by your message, DeltaQuad, but I don't mind your questions at all. I am disturbed by admins I think are acting on CSD notices without evaluating the page first. I declined one speedy delete the other day and then I found another admin had gone ahead and deleted the article. So, I restored it.
I'm not sure what to do but I am sure there are pages being deleted that if I had looked at them first, I would have removed the deletion tag. Probably not enough material to take someone to ArbCom but I think we have to rethink our mass delete approach. Especially when an article is in a sandbox or in draft space, we should allow pages to improve over time. I wish admins would spend more time educating new editors rather than obliterating their efforts. Liz Read! Talk! 01:35, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

User:Jshorton11/sandbox deletionEdit

Hey Liz, I guess I moved my sandbox page to the public space? Certainly didn't mean too. My apologies, Jeff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jshorton11 (talkcontribs) 20:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Jeff,
You moved your sandbox to M. Basheer Ahmed M.D. where another admin deleted the page because it was deemed to be a copyright violation, text taken from a press release (which you can see if you look at the deleted page). I deleted the sandbox page because it was a broken redirect to the deleted page.
Please remember that all content has to be original, written by you and not taken from any website, book or magazine. Please look over Wikipedia:Copyrights for more information. If you have any additional questions, I recommend visiting the Teahouse where experienced editors can offer you advice. Liz Read! Talk! 20:19, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes Liz, I will re submit that article again after I fix these issues. I am new to wiki so I will take any help I can get! I think the descriptions of the organizations he founded may have been the problem but I'm waiting to hear back from the administrator that deleted the article. I wish he had given me a heads up about the problems and I would have fixed them right away. Anyway, hope your having a great day... and Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jshorton11 (talkcontribs) 20:29, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Liz, can you offer some advice for me on this article? Can I get this article back in my sandbox as it was so I don't have to rebuild it? I know you are probably very busy but any help would be so appreciated. Also will I be able to resubmit this from my sandbox once I fix the issues? Wikipedia suggests using Special:Mypage to create a new article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jshorton11 (talkcontribs) 22:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Jeff,
I have emailed you a draft. Please do not put it back into your sandbox without fixing the copyright issues or it will be deleted again. We can not have copyright violations on Wikipedia. If you want help with the article, I recommend vising Articles for Creation. And please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 22:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes Liz, I understand. Thanks again! Jshorton11 (talk) 22:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)


Please block user:2409:4064:20a:1616::3c7:f0a4 . They are evading a block too. (talk) 23:39, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Why? Liz Read! Talk! 23:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
They are vandalizing. Please do it quickly. They are so fast. (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Come on. (talk) 23:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  Done I have to investigate the editor, I just can't block a user because you say so. That said, you were right, they were spamming Wikipedia. Thank you for letting me know. I appreciate it. Liz Read! Talk! 23:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

List of events at Maxwell C. King Center for the Performing ArtsEdit

Please undelete this page. I had added a few refs, but had not gotten the opportunity to fully source it yet. Thanks. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 10:57, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

  Done, FieldMarine. Please remember the criticism of original research that prompted the PROD and make sure you have some additional reliable sources to verify the information in the article. Happy editing! Liz Read! Talk! 14:34, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I will do my best. If it does not work out, we can delete it. I will need some time though. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 15:19, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I understand. We can always move it to your user sandbox if you want to protect it from deletion. Just let me know. Liz Read! Talk! 15:31, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


Could you please block user: so they stop their bad edits? (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

  Done Liz Read! Talk! 15:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thonburi University F.C.Edit

Please restore Thonburi University F.C. because Thonburi University Football Club is a football club in Thailand, it competed in Thai League 4 since 2019 season. This is the club's data from Thai League official website. This article has deleted in 2018 since the club has not promoted to the professional league. at that time, they have not enough of sources. But now in 2019 season, They has promoted to Thai League 4 that is a professional league. We could found the club's info in the official website of Thai League that have a lot of data including fixture, result, standing, and all player's statistics. In addition, Thonburi University Football Club has competed in 2019 Thai League Cup and advanced to the round of 16 by beaten the club from the top division Samut Prakan City F.C.. This is the news from Thai League official website about drawing in the round of 32. And this is drawing in the round of 16 Thonburi University vs PT Prachuap, this is the match highlight. There are a lot of news about Thonburi University F.C. such as this showed that Thonburi University funded 5 millions Thai Baht to competed in the 2019 season of Thai League 4, and they will renaming to Thonburi United F.C. in 2020 season, now you can found this name on the club's official Facebook page that update every situations of the club. —Gunkiet (talk) 18:46, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Gunkiet, but I can not restore it. It was deleted because of a decision at the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ayodhya City F.C. which came to the conclusion that Discussion shows that whilst some sourcing can be found for these clubs the level of coverage is at best trivial / routine. You can appeal this decision at Wikipedia:Deletion review if you feel like the deletion discussion was closed in error. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Gunkiet, Deletion Review is usually where we send editors to recover pages that were deleted due to a deletion discussion but you could also try Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. You might have more success there. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 00:28, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Battle of Parker's Ferry?Edit

Hi, I'm Ajack87. I wrote an article called the battle of parker's ferry. However, it got deleted for copyright infringement. Can I rewrite it again using legitimate sources? How can I fix it. What sources can I use that would be legal and legitimate for my article? And how do I site them properly? Ajack87 (talk) 00:28, 26 July 2019 (UTC)Ajack87

Of course you can try again, Ajack87! Wikipedia:Copyright violations has information about copyright on Wikipedia but it is pretty dense. Basically, you can not reuse any material you find anywhere (websites, books, magazines, etc.) verbatim. The content of an article has to be written in your own words.
You should use sources to cite any claims you make. Help:Referencing for beginners is user-friendly and it can answer your questions about how to create references for an article. Help:Referencing for beginners without using templates is a very short How-to article that is very basic. Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/1 explains why references are so important. I hope this helps.
For more specific questions, please visit Wikipedia:Help desk or the Teahouse with your questions. Liz Read! Talk! 00:58, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Liz. Thank you for the chance to fix my article and re-write it properly. Thank you for the Reference for beginners and the help introduction. Sincerely Ajack87 (talk)


  Hey, Liz. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day!
Mjs1991 (talk) 05:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Mjs1991. I don't keep track of these dates and it is nice to be surprised! Liz Read! Talk! 00:43, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you...Edit

I feel supported by the message you left about the legal threat; I've had quite a few of them over the years from the same type of people (owners of small and dying television networks insisting they're not collapsing; one of them used their website to taunt me)...but this one got to me because of their tenacity; I'm glad I have support in these tasks. I thank you again. Nate (chatter) 08:16, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Encouragement is the least we can do for editors who face these threats. If it persists, please contact WMF Legal and let us know so we can block the new accounts. Liz Read! Talk! 00:42, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Category:Futsal clubs in TajikistanEdit

Hellow. Category is not empty. Bogic (talk) 10:05, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

You're right, Bogic. This is not uncommon. That's why we hold empty categories for 7 days after they are tagged in case they are later filled. We always check categories that are tagged to see that they are still empty before they are deleted. I removed the tag earlier today. Liz Read! Talk! 00:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Burnaby Gondola and Burnaby Mountain GondolaEdit

Hi there,

I don't understand your "This is a valid redirect" reasoning on this edit and this one. They were created today and created with an obvious capitalization issue ("gondola" not being proper noun) so sure, someone might type them in that way but we don't need redirects for that because Wikipedia automatically handles differently cased entries without the need for a redirect. That is, if either redirect did not exist, people could still type or link to either "Burnaby Gondola" or "Burnaby Mountain Gondola" and get to the right place. In fact, where you created the new redirect "Burnaby Gondola", you've actually added a redirect that wasn't needed, apparently because I asked for them to be deleted, so... could you reconsider? I don't see what we gain by keeping these that isn't already auto-handled internally by the wiki software. —Joeyconnick (talk) 05:42, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay, Joeyconnick, I see your point. I think they were tagged incorrectly. Based on what you say, the correct CSD criteria is R3: Redirects as a result of an implausible typo or misnomers that were recently created. They fit that category. So, I've tagged and deleted them. Thank you for explaining your rationale for tagging them which was unclear to me. We have plenty of redirects with simple misspellings or other slight changes in title and it seemed at the time I reviewed them that these were valid redirects. Liz Read! Talk! 05:59, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your response and explanation! I wouldn't have thought to tag these as "implausible" typos or misnomers because it's quite plausible (and indeed it happened here LOL) that someone might misname something using incorrect capitalization. I thought there was a category for recently created violations of WP:SENTENCECASE but maybe I'm imagining that. I picked G6 because it includes Deleting pages unambiguously created in error or in the incorrect namespace and felt the creation was unambiguously in error (albeit a minor error). Anyway, no harm done, apparently. 🙂 —Joeyconnick (talk) 06:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

José de GregorioEdit

Hi. I want to delete the page José de Gregorio since the correct name is José De Gregorio. That's why I redirected it and put the previous one out. Please delete to not have double page. --Cuidro (talk) 19:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Cuidro,
Actually, the page is serving a useful purpose as a redirect page. This ensures that if a reader types in the incorrect name--José de Gregorio--they will be immediately directed to the correct name, José De Gregorio. Wikipedia has quite a few redirect pages because not everyone knows the correct spelling for names or terms or what the correct title of an article is. Liz Read! Talk! 19:08, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Liz reappointed full clerkEdit

The Arbitration Committee is pleased to announce that Liz (talk · contribs) has been reappointed to the clerk team as a full clerk, effective immediately.

The arbitration clerk team is often in need of new members, and any editor who would like to join the clerk team is welcome to apply by e-mail to clerks-l

For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 14:40, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Liz reappointed full clerk

/* User:Lize56/sandbox */Edit

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.— --Lize56 (talk) 19:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello Liz, my article has been deleted today. How can I do to prove that I'm the owner of the copyright of the page . I created already a Creative Commons Licence CC-BY-SA 3.0 on this page (only this page) of my website to avoid copyright concern . But it seems it's not enough. Therefore I decided to delete the page from my website. Please could you verify that it doesn't exist any article-87 on my website. I hope this will be enough to prove that I was the writter of this aricle , and that I am the owner of the website Consequently I hope you will allow me to re-submit again for review. Thank you.

Please let me konw your thoughts

Ilook forward to hearing from you soon

Regards --Lize56 (talk) 19:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Lize56,
I am not the best choice of an admin to ask about copyright licensing. I encourage you to choose an administrator who is, by looking at those listed in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to investigate copyright matters. All 7 of them are experienced administrators who I can easily recommend. Liz Read! Talk! 19:58, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 July 2019Edit

Category:The Dog and Its ReflectionEdit

Hello. I seem to have accidentally reverted you at Category:The Dog and Its Reflection as you didn't remove the CSD tag. I read the deletion rationale, checked for incoming links, and read and rejected the note on the talk page. It was only after deletion that I saw you'd already deleted and restored. Sorry about that. Was it the message on the talk page that changed your mind, and do you want to undelete again? (Feel free to revert me). --kingboyk (talk) 03:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I thought when I restored the category, it would reset the category deletion date to August 7th, kingboyk. Yes, the editor who left a note on the talk page seemed a bit confused by the process so I gave him another week to find an article to place in the category. No problem with deletion, I'll just restore it. Sorry for the confusion. Liz Read! Talk! 04:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Evidently it doesn't, and we've both learnt something today :) No worries, and thanks. -- [please ping me if you need a reply] kingboyk (talk) 04:12, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation on my talk page, Liz, and for extending the deadline. I didn't know that there had to be documentary proof for a pictorial category. Anyway, there were plenty of articles to mention in the new objection I have made on the discussion page. The trouble with fables dating back 2,500 years (as this does), is that they change title over time. An alternative title is "The Dog and its/his Shadow", which is traditional but confusing since the primary meaning of the word 'shadow' is no longer 'reflection' - although Webster's dictionary gives that as a secondary meaning. Sorry to be so technical! Sweetpool50 (talk) 08:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Student Press Law CenterEdit

I saw you just handled the SPLC username issue, so just wanted to make sure we don't overlap with our editing. I'm looking at the page right now and I'll be dealing with some of the NPOV issues that their edits introduced. - Sdkb (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

That's fine, Sdkb. I haven't looked at their edits, I was just looking at a list of newly created accounts to see if there are any group/company/organization-named accounts. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

  Guideline and policy news



  • Following a research project on masking IP addresses, the Foundation is starting a new project to improve the privacy of IP editors. The result of this project may significantly change administrative and counter-vandalism workflows. The project is in the very early stages of discussions and there is no concrete plan yet. Admins and the broader community are encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page.
  • The new page reviewer right is bundled with the admin tool set. Many admins regularly help out at Special:NewPagesFeed, but they may not be aware of improvements, changes, and new tools for the Curation system. Stay up to date by subscribing here to the NPP newsletter that appears every two months, and/or putting the reviewers' talk page on your watchlist.

    Since the introduction of temporary user rights, it is becoming more usual to accord the New Page Reviewer right on a probationary period of 3 to 6 months in the first instance. This avoids rights removal for inactivity at a later stage and enables a review of their work before according the right on a permanent basis.

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I have made a mistake in my wording in my edit summary. I was meant to say that I was fixing the description of what Cultural Marxism is, because the previous description was wrong. Next time, I will say "fixed inaccurate information", rather than "fixed typo". Thank you (talk) 04:46, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

No worries, It's not an uncommon error. Take care, Liz Read! Talk! 05:09, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Zane GardnerEdit

I would like to work on Zane Gardner article I am a once Martial artist turned painter from Dekalb Junction, New York I do have some pictures of myself as a martial artist and a painter ZanerG30 (talk) 04:20, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Zane GardnerEdit

Is this to short now (born March 16th, 1990) once a martial artist under Tae Kwon Do and Combat Hapkido now turned a painter he paints with watercolors and acrylics he trained in Tae Kwon Do and Combat Hapkido trained until he got his 2nd dan black belt and brown third tip until his latest surgery happened. He was also known for his long range shooting ability in basketball and for the love of the game earned him the Don Petty sportsmanship award. He went to school Hermon-Dekalb Central School in Dekalb Junction, New YorK ZanerG30 (talk) 17:25, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

The above paragraph can't be an article, ZanerG30. It needs references to reliable sources like books, magazines and prestigious websites, hopefully many references. Look at existing articles for other martial artists and check out Help:Your first article which can provide more guidance than I can offer. Liz Read! Talk! 17:32, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


Happy Adminship from the Birthday Committee

Wishing Liz a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!

-- Mjs1991 (talk) 05:50, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Mjs1991, for the reminder! Liz Read! Talk! 15:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!Edit

Thanks very much for the good wishes, Captain! Liz Read! Talk! 20:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I am two days late but happy adminship anniversary. You are the best.--SharabSalam (talk) 00:23, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
That is very kind of you, SharabSalam. I try. ;-) Liz Read! Talk! 00:36, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Just look up Excel Fighter there’s my bookEdit

"Excel Fighters" Aaron's short story of how he got his powers and regains his memory. ZanerG30 (talk) 03:57, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. Liz Read! Talk! 03:59, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
It’s a book I created about Martial artist I couldn’t send you the link it won’t let me would that be enough ZanerG30 (talk) 04:02, 7 August 2019 (UTC) This is Excel Fighters ZanerG30 (talk) 04:10, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Liz. I'm the editor who tagged Zane Gardner as an A7. If it wasn't already obvious, this guy is just trying to create his autobiography. I think a block would be in order if he keeps spamming. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
I left a note for him yesterday. Liz Read! Talk! 00:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

St. Joseph's Academy Page DELETEDEdit

Hello Liz, Hope you would be fine and doing well. I am Harshanandtheking007 and yesterday i created a page named St. Joseph's Academy. You have deleted my page citing the source and it seems you thought that i copied from there and created the page. No, that's not the case. That website has copied from the original source that is . I am a student of this St. Joseph's Academy School whose page you deleted. I was just appointed by my school to create a page of it. So, I request you to undelete my page and I am thanking you in advance for the same from the deepest point of my heart. Regards, --Harshanandtheking007 (talk) 10:12, 7 August 2019 (UTC) Harsh Anand

Harshanandtheking007, it doesn't matter that it is copied from a different website, it is still copyright infringement. The article has to be in your original words, not copied from any source. It can not be undeleted if it is a copyright violation. Liz Read! Talk! 17:08, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

OK, I completely understood thanks for that.--Harshanandtheking007 (talk) 12:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Are you online?Edit

If yes, could I 'borrow' you for 60 seconds? --kingboyk (talk) 02:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I was eating dinner then but I'm online now. What's up, kingboyk? Liz Read! Talk! 02:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Ah, cool, thanks - just had a bite to eat myself but will be off to bed soon. I was wondering if you'd give me a second opinion on my deletion here - Draft:Naveed Mian? --kingboyk (talk) 02:44, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
You made the right decision, kingboyk. I've seen a lot of these autobiographies this summer. I think it's rare that someone who is 20 years old would be notable enough for a Wikipedia article unless they are a stand-out athlete or a nationally known activist. Someone with a YouTube channel with 80,000 subscribers? I don't think that would even make YouTube's Top 100,000 channels. Liz Read! Talk! 02:50, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Lovely, thanks for the sanity check. Much appreciated! --kingboyk (talk) 02:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Admin's Barnstar
Thank you for redacting that unbearably inappropriate-for-Wikipedia information on Erin Heatherton Trillfendi (talk) 02:19, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I wasn't sure about that so I decided to be bold! It seemed unnecessarily detailed and personal. Liz Read! Talk! 02:43, 8 August 2019 (UTC)


mail. — Ched :  ?  — 05:37, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't see it, Ched. I'll check my other folders. Liz Read! Talk! 15:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Ched :  ?  — 18:04, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you wouldn't have gotten the email - like you said, maybe the spam folder? — Ched :  ?  — 18:06, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
GMail has a "Social" inbox and that's where I found it. I responded...thanks for filling me in. Liz Read! Talk! 20:57, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

PDBe-KB pageEdit

Hi Liz, I am creating a page on PDBe-KB - It would be great if you can provide your feedback on the page so I can finalise it before making it into an official article. The previous page I created was deleted and I am not that experienced in creating new pages although I have edited pages before hence any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks A2-25 (talk) 09:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, A2-25,
You need to demonstrate why PDBe-KB is notable which usually requires more than one reliable source to support that claim. I'm getting ready for a trip so I won't be around much in the next few days so I recommend going to Articles for Creation or the Teahouse for more specific advice. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 15:21, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Camp CedarbrookEdit

Would you please restore these?

When you do, please point it to the same page as Camp Stephens.

Thank you.

--evrik (talk) 21:14, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, evrik,
I've restored the two redirects but I won't direct them to Camp Stephens as that is just another redirect, not an article right now. So, I've directed them to Camp Stephen's redirect target which is Scouting in California#Alameda Council. If Camp Stephens becomes an article, feel free to change the redirects to that page. Liz Read! Talk! 15:29, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ilsetraut Hadot has been acceptedEdit

Ilsetraut Hadot, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

scope_creepTalk 16:28, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

About American literature stubsEdit

Hi Liz. Thanks for pointing out that the Category:American literature stubs should be deleted. Just proceed! Regards, --Fadesga (talk) 19:16, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Fadesga,
I don't know that it should be deleted. I just know that it is empty. After 7 days, if it is still empty, it will be deleted. If you can find some stubs that could be placed in the category, please use it. We want categories that are being used! Liz Read! Talk! 19:39, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
@Liz: As a matter of fact, the correct stub category in use is Category:United States literature stubs. That's why. Regards, --Fadesga (talk) 19:59, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay, then, Fadesga, I guess it is time for this category to be gone. Liz Read! Talk! 20:06, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

user: is making threats of violence. CLCStudent (talk) 19:54, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

It's a LTA. They will be blocked and page reprotected soon. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
She is back under user: . CLCStudent (talk) 20:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, CLCStudent. I've blocked them both for a month and rev'deleted their rude edit summaries. I'm editing right now before sleeping but I'm in the midst of overseas travel so if they return, either you or Hell in a Bucket please contact a more active administrator. Thanks again for catching these accounts before they do too much damage. Your vigilance is appreciated! Liz Read! Talk! 20:05, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
I was trying to explain that above. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:05, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

26 hours is not a reason for CSD C1Edit

Hi LiZ, You tagged Category:Climate change articles by importance for deletion. WP:WikiProject Climate change is a new project and we're doing a lot to get it off the ground. Please do not delete just yet. I left a more detailed message at the catgegory talk page. Please understand I'm going offline for several days, but havec been working steadily on categories, templates, and most recently finished a new 2.0 barnstar. Thanks for your patience. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 22:09, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

I didn't realize that they were part of a WikiProject, NewsAndEventsGuy. I will remove the tags. WikiProject categories are typically exempt from CSD C1 tagging. I will try to make sure they are not retagged. But even if they ahyre, empty categories that are tagged fall into Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion and are not deleted unless they are still empty 7 days later which should be fine for your schedule. And if they are deleted, let me know and you or I can recreate them. No worries! Liz Read! Talk! 06:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding and such a fast response, and even more.... I saw from your contribs that you are out with a large push broom.... thanks for doing a lot of usually thankless house cleaning! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:35, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
As an introvert at WikiMania, sometimes it is nice to go a quiet place & do some editing & admin chores. Liz Read! Talk! 10:48, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Interview requestEdit

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Thanks for considering my request! Cheers, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 21:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Jmorgan (WMF),
I am still traveling until tomorrow. So, there might be a delay in my response. But I do reply, you will probably hear back from me on Friday. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 07:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

article deletionEdit


I provided ample explanation of why the Michael Brunstroem article had previously been deleted in error on the talk page for that article, referring to Wikipedia's guidelines.

The guidelines state that an entertainer may be notable if their work is innovative, and I provided many sources of evidence that that was the case (he won an award for originality for crying out loud). I find it really perverse that you guys keep targetting the article. I understand why TheVintageFeminist is doing it, but the administrators?? What's gotten into you?

What is your justification for deleting it, apart from that it had been deleted before?

Regularuk (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

My justification is that the article had just been through a deletion discussion this year and the consensus was to delete the article. You can appeal that decision if you think it was closed in error at Wikipedia:Deletion review. I looked at the article as it had been recreated and it still didn't meet notability standards. If you had sources on the article talk page, you should have worked at incorporating them into the article. But the deletion discussion went into great depth, reviewing the existing sources and found them to be insufficient to establish notability. Liz Read! Talk! 19:23, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
@Liz: For the record, Brunström first came to my attention in these two diffs: diff 1 and diff 2. I had never heard of him and decided to look at his bio which showed him to be non-notable. This was the response from Regularuk when I began an AfD Seems pretty vindictive of you to attack Brunström's page. I do not represent him. diff, and when I gave a warning about making personal attacks The way to convince me that you don’t have a vendetta is definitely to make a comment like this on my page. Very ironic. diff. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 17:13, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Heads upEdit

Hey L, wanted to let you know I would be puling the maintenance tags off of:

and then let csd C1 do its job It is pretty clear from this discussion that these serve no purpose and should not have been created. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, UnitedStatesian. I think this is appropriate. And thank you for your speedy tagging of empty categories. Between the two of us, we seem to get to most of them. ;-) Liz Read! Talk! 07:54, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
You're very welcome, and thank you. Now if only Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories were so easy! UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:00, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Restore deleted redirects to Super Why! and talk archiveEdit

The Super Why! article has been recreated. Please restore the 12 redirects to the article that you have deleted. Also, please restore Talk:Super Why!/Archive 1. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Of course, GeoffreyT2000. Can you point me to a discussion of the undeletion of this article? I'm just curious as to whether there was any conversation about recreating a long-time article after it was deleted. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 07:53, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I could not find any discussion regarding the undeletion of the Super Why! article, which has been recreated by KStrain2000. For now, I have draftified the recreated article. Please re-delete the redirect SUPER WHY! and its talk page. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:34, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm just surprised that after a deletion by an experienced administrator that this article is back. And "re-delete"? What does that mean? Do you mean "restore", GeoffreyT2000? Liz Read! Talk! 23:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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