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If you came here just to insult me, I will delete your comments without a reply.
And if I wasn't involved, personal attacks clearly warrant a block.

Re: Ogham and Ethiopian categories (0.5) removedEdit

Hello Liz, Thank you! When I created the category for Ogham and Ethiopian, I thought that it would work for everyone else, and I didn’t know that it was only for me. I’ve changed my Thai box to have no number so that it isn’t 0.5. Also, how do I make my userboxes available to others? I didn’t share them because I didn’t know how to. Thank you! Leejordan9 23:16, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Since you asked...Edit

On my RfA, you asked if I would expect my log to include admin duties. I did start it, as a separate page; User:Hammersoft/adminlog. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Hammersoft,
First, congratulations! Second, you might also use Template:Adminstats, as you can see on User:Liz/Admin which also appears on my user page. It isn't as detailed as your manually maintained list of course, but many admins have this template on their user page. Also, if you get behind in keeping up your list (which can easily happen if you do a lot of admin work), you can always look at your logs which you can find on your Contributions page. They keep track of all page creations, page deletions, editors blocked etc. Liz Read! Talk! 19:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks! I've added those to that log page. I'll have to wait for 24 hours to see it populate of course. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: "warning"Edit

So I've been repeatedly hit with personal attacks for trying to follow process [1] including If a couple of you want to jerk yourselves off and accused falsely of "wasting time" and of course [2], and then I get the personal attack calling me "a waste of time"[3]. Just fucking lovely. IHateAccounts (talk) 15:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I'll look into this. If you get involved in controversial articles, a little bit of push back is expected but I'll see if this veers into personal attack. Liz Read! Talk! 17:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Looking over the diffs, the most egregious words were posted by Johnsmith2116 and they have since been indefinitely blocked for that personal attack. Please report anything that bad. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Article deletionsEdit

Can you please not alert me of any form of prod or deletion again. Thankyou.† Encyclopædius 16:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, that's no problem. Liz Read! Talk! 17:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity 2Edit

Hi. You recently deleted Draft:Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity 2 due to the bad name. Was it a duplicate of Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity? It seems to have been created by a different user, but I don't know if it was a copy-paste of the older page. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Paul_012,
Looking at the deleted page, at first, this page just mentioned that this show was a spin-off of MasterChef Thailand. It was a one sentence stub. Then, it was turned into a redirect to Draft:MasterChef Thailand Celebrity. Then it was tagged for deletion. It was originally created by Prussia97. Liz Read! Talk! 18:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the info. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

G13 DeletionsEdit

Hey, do you unilaterally delete articles that are G13 worthy or do you wait till an editor tags them before you delete them or do admins have leeway to delete articles that are G13 worthy without editors tagging them first? Because it seems as though some admins, e.g Fastily waits till it’s G13 tagged before they delete the article but it seems you just unilaterally delete them or am I missing something or could you be so kind as to explain your modus operandi? Celestina007 (talk) 20:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Celestina007,
I would wait until the drafts are tagged but there are hundreds of stale articles each day and the editors who tag them don't seem to tag very many. If you want to evaluate and tag 200+ stale drafts each day, I'll wait for them all to be tagged. But honestly, most editors patrolling G13 drafts end up tagging 10 or 20 drafts and then stop instead of doing the entire lot. So, go for it, I'll wait and you can look over 200+ drafts and I'll wait for you to tag them all.
I'm up-to-date right now but you should check throughout the day and evening for expiring drafts. There are also several locations where G13's are listed so you should check the Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions as well as SDZeroBot's G13 pages like User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon for last Thursday and User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible. And do this every day, including weekends. Because there are 200+ drafts expiring every single day that need to be taken care of. Good luck with the tagging! Liz Read! Talk! 20:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
There's no rule requiring an editor to have placed a speedy tag before a page can be speedy deleted. Personally, I prefer having another editor review and tag G13-eligible drafts before conducting my own review. If multiple editors have had an opportunity to review a given draft, then it's less likely we'll be deleting anything of value. That's just a theory though, YMMV. -FASTILY 00:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007, it's been six hours now and there are 58 drafts that are eligible for G13 status. Not only have you (or any other editor) not reviewed and tagged them but you haven't edited since you posted this on my talk page. This is why I don't wait for stale drafts to be tagged...we'd be waiting all day and you all would have 200+ drafts to go through whenever you decided to take on this task from all of the other editing tasks you want to spend time on. I'm going back to reviewing them. And I'd be happy if, when time allows, you help review and tag them to. Liz Read! Talk! 02:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Okay, as long as there’s no policy mandating you to wait until a page is G13 tagged before you delete it then that’s okay. Celestina007 (talk) 10:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 19Edit

RE: A spasso nel tempoEdit

Thank you very much for your gentle reply! That was the kind of explanation I was asking for. Have a nice day--Alienautic (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Mentioned you at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/NewsroomEdit

Hi, I certainly did! If you can do it, please, please do. @Tony1: always turns me down, but I'll send him an email. The Signpost - and Wikipedia in general - could really use this story. Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of my talkEdit

Dear Liz, I have seen that you have prompted my talk Bhupender Dhawan for speedy deletion. I actually want to understand more about the issue you saw on it. I also created a draft with minimal data, Please let me know if this suffice to the policies of wikipedia. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khanna Sudershan (talkcontribs) 15:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

A "few" more U2 pagesEdit

Hi, I saw that you deleted my U2 nominations. I have a few more of those pages here, they don't have an associated user either. I think at least the pages with the extremely offensive titles should be deleted (certainly more than half). By the way, I made this list with this. And can accounts here really be deleted like that, because many of these users obviously used to exist, do you know that? (Oh, and, I don't really want to tag all of them for deletion by myself, because ... well, 1500 more or less useless edits I don't need now either.) --TheImaCow (talk) 20:59, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, TheImaCow,
I was wondering how on Earth you found these old accounts. They are puzzling to me because they are clearly not user accounts but editors and admins posted on their talk page as if they were existing accounts. And they aren't just accounts with bad names that have 0 edits, they are not active nor inactive accounts. They are just user talk pages with no associated account. Liz Read! Talk! 21:09, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm going to confer with another admin about what to do with all of these. Liz Read! Talk! 21:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Probably needs a manual review. Some of these were created by mistake and/or are vandalism, but redirects resulting from account renames should be kept imo. -FASTILY 05:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Yes, Fastily, there was a good discussion about these pages today at User talk:ST47. It's kind of a puzzle figuring out why there are so many, it turns out it's a lot of different factors, global blocks, old software from a decade ago, oversight actions & misplaced drafts on to User pages, to name a few. Liz Read! Talk! 05:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Article EditEdit

Hello! I noticed the removal of a name on the list Han-Bin! I have since found the article for the individual and added it to the page, so hopefully it has been fixed and can remain! Let me know if any more info is needed, thank you! Jayb.rd98 (talk) 03:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jayb.rd98,
Can you provide a link to the article? Liz Read! Talk! 03:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey, user:Liz
The article in question is Han-bin! The last name added (of a former contestent and current idol trainee) did not have an article to his name before, but I located it and added it to his section of the name page, as he is a notable figure! Let me know if you need anything more! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayb.rd98 (talkcontribs) 03:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Liz, as I just said on User talk:Jayb.rd98, Hanbin Ngô (Ngô Ngọc Hưng) is a brand new article, newly translated from Vietnamese (which I do not speak), and I'm not convinced the person meets WP:N or any related criteria. I've asked for assistance on WT:WikiProject Vietnam. He does have an article, and it's not at WP:AFD, at least not yet. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 03:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Jayb.rd98
First, always sign your talk page posts. Second, I was looking for Hanbin Ngô as the article that refers to the person you wanted to add to the list. Finally, you were a participant in an edit war. You could have been blocked for this as you went WAY beyond 3 reverts. Also, the editors who were reverting your edits were not doing vandalism although they were edit warring, too. Vandalism refers to malicious editing, intended to inflict damage on the project. This was a content dispute, a disagreement. These happen all of the time. What you should have done was stop edit warring and get other editors involved to help resolve the dispute or move to dispute resolution.
Thanks for finding the article so that the name could be added to the page. I think you were able to make your point. Liz Read! Talk! 03:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation, davidwr. Liz Read! Talk! 03:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Apologies for not signing, I’m still getting the hang of wikipedia. I was told by my advisor for my class project that removal of encylopedia infromation qualified as vandalism- and the accounts that had edit warred were subsequently banned as sockpuppets of another account (Who repeatedly ignored my requests on their talk page and the article talk page to reach a consensus). I’ll avoid such actions in the future, I appreiate the warning and leniancy. Under advice of user:davidwr Ill begin bulking up the new article for Hanbin.
I worry for the page, however. Fandom politics are unfortunately involved, and the fans of another fandom (who also has an artist named hanbin) have been discussing off-site about intentionally removing Hanbin whenever possible, as theyre upset that there are now two idols in South Korea named Hanbin. I’m not sure what the correct order of operations is in this case, and would greatly appreciate any advice you may have for me.
Jayb.rd98 (talk) 03:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Reply from Tom Klemesrud concerning Abuse by Administrator MuboshguEdit

@Liz @Muboshgu: Tom Klemesrud responds: Thank you Liz, I do apologize for calling User talk:Muboshgu#Brad Raffensperger a fool. I have learned he is much more imbedded in the Byzantine power structure of Wikipedia, to be called that. However, after researching "Muboshgu" I will say -- with his self-proclaimed 211,000 contributions. (Personal attack removed) Take for example of blocking Iowa US Senate Candidate Theresa Greenfield by locking in a redirect so a page could not be created based on non-notoriety; then, creating a page for another Iowan from Senator Chuck Grassley's small town, Kim Olson, a failed 2018 candidate for Texas Secretary of Agriculture. I note this reliable source, if not elite, Wired Article-- that concentrates on the abuses of Muboshgu to Mr. Wales creation. There should be sanctions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomklem (talkcontribs) 10:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

This is identical to a comment on Tom's page. Look there. -- Valjean (talk) 04:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Tomklem, this is a personal attack that can warrant a block. You shouldn't be making accusations without evidence of your claim. Liz Read! Talk! 04:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Dispute resolution?Edit

Sorry to bother you again, but the page has continued to be edited, and the editor (who have been sockpuppets or a brand new account) have repeatedly ignored my attempts to reach out to reach a consensus. What should I do, when they clearly are uninterested in going through the process wikipedia has? I don’t want to give up and just allow info to be removed from the page because of a fanwar on twitter, but I don’t know what I could possibly do about it. I’m asking you because you had mentioned dispute resolution in our previous convo. Thank you very much. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jayb.rd98
Sorry for delay in responding to you. Davidwr is a very experienced editor and I think you should consider his suggestion that Hanbin Ngô be listed at Hanbin rather than Han-bin. Accuracy is important but 7 different editors have contested your addition of this name to the Han-bin list. We can't do a full protection on an article indefinitely and so it is likely that any time you add the name, an editor could come by later and remove it. We can't prevent this from happening and you don't want to get involved in another edit war. If this is less likely to happen at the Hanbin list, I'd include the name there instead. I've added a link to Hanbin on the Han-bin page. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"Read! Talk! 22:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
The delay is no issue! Upon discussion with them, their edit was made due to a confusion in the way Korean names are romanized (Which I brought up in the correct area!) Since there is no difference between Hanbin, Han-Bin, Hanbeen, and Han-been. It all depends on what romanization system is used, but the names in the source language are all completely identical (한빈), and its mentioned in the page han-bin that Hanbin is an alternative romanization!
If you look, 3 of the people involved in editing the page were sockpuppets of a 4th editor on that page (And the sockpuppets have since been banned).
In regards to the Hanbin page, Davidwr is helping me direct the proper question line to the proper area for what would be included on that page, as he isnt sure if names should be included.
Thank you for the constant help! Jayb.rd98 (talk) 23:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho HoEdit

Thank you, WereSpielChequers. Happy holidays to you! Liz Read! Talk! 22:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Moving Category Talk pagesEdit

Hi, just a quick note that I'm a very experienced (now occasional) editor. I'm the guy who made Categories for Discussion and Templates for Discussion, developed the backend code, and the original parser function templates. And wrote a great deal of the instructions for closing at the time.

No, I didn't hand move a Category page. I merged or moved and redirected those specific Category Talk pages as part of the close. This was a complicated close, and needed to be done by hand. Then, somebody else ran a bot, and accidentally wiped out my work.

So thanks for helping fix part of the bot wipe. Sadly, it will take far more effort to restore than it took to do the work in the first place.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, William Allen Simpson,
Well, when I looked at the category talk pages, there were edits that indicated the pages had been moved. But my apologies if I misinterpreted the information. Liz Read! Talk! 23:11, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
That's probably another administrator undoing some of his "fat-finger-syndrome" mistakes. Thanks for the help.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry ChristmasEdit

  Merry Christmas Liz

Hi Liz, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very happy and healthy New Year,
Thank you for all your contributions to Wikipedia,
   –Davey2010Talk 19:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Davey2010! Happy holidays to you and yours. Liz Read! Talk! 20:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho HoEdit

Happy Festivus, Donner60! Enjoy the holiday season! Liz Read! Talk! 15:07, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry ChristmasEdit

  Merry Christmas Liz

Hi Liz, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very happy and prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia this past year, like this tree, you are a light shining in the darkness.
Onel5969 TT me 12:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy holidays to you and yours, onel5969!

happy holidaysEdit

Hello User:Liz Can you review it, please Thanks a lot Stay Safe --Kareem fahim (talk) 09:36, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kareem fahim,
I don't review drafts but I submitted yours for review with Articles for Creation. Hopefully, this will get the ball rolling. Liz Read! Talk! 00:31, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

Hello, Liz! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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Thank you, CAPTAIN RAJU. I hope you have a good holiday and New Year! Liz Read! Talk! 00:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Article deletionsEdit

Hello Liz. Please tell me why did you delete Tohid Hajibabaei's page? (Tohid Hajibabaei). It was a biography of a famous person and had credible sources. It's very important and I want that article restored,plz. Msh1991 (talk) 07:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Can you give me a link to the page? And also, please sign your messages with four tildes ( ~~~~ ). Liz Read! Talk! 00:07, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
here you are Msh1991 (talk) 07:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Msh1991,
MrsSnoozyTurtle changed your article into a redirect to Aylan Azerbaijani Dance Group. The page Tohid Hajibabaei was just a link to another page which has been moved to Draft:Aylan Azerbaijani Dance Group. When the article was moved to a draft, the redirect became broken and I deleted the broken redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 21:39, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft page Cinque Vette ParkEdit

Hi Liz, I'm a member of the university group working on the project of Draft:Cinque Vette Park, Lombardy. We submitted our page for review on the 29th of November, and it hasn't been accepted yet. We would like to ask you if you may give a look at our draft page and give us your feedback, so that we can improve our project page and hope it gets accepted by the 31st of December, the deadline. Thank you in advance. Dervareser (talk) 18:00, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dervareser,
I don't review drafts but I posted a note about this on WT:AFC, the talk page for the AfC project, and hopefully someone can review it in the next few days. Liz Read! Talk! 00:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Liz, thank you for your advice! Fortunately it got accepted one hour after you answered me! Thank you again! Dervareser (talk) 09:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad I could help, Dervareser. Liz Read! Talk! 21:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Issue of Gugark PogromEdit

Hi Liz, I am writing you regarding Gugark Pogrom. The article is nonsense and is reduntand. While Azeri have committed countless of pogroms against Armenians, we just list a few major ones and disregard the rest, while Azeri propagandist wikipedians loves to post each atrocity towards them as a totally separate Azeri pogroms or genocide when it has been all under one unfortunate event. I am not denying these may have happened, but Azeri wikipedians are clearly exaggerating their claims and blowing out of proportions when they are the victims. I have seen many acts of vandalism toward Armenian articles and categories when it is the other way around. Don't let Wikipedia become a propaganda tool for them or anyone. It should remain a unbiased, neutral platform for the truth regardless of what we like and don't like. I respectfully request you to undo your edit regarding the article.Hovhannesk (talk) 16:50, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Hovhannesk,
I don't remember editing this article but I'll check my contributions. If you think this article is blatant misrepresentation or is inappropriate for Wikipedia, please nominate it for deletion at AfD. I've seen other politically divisive articles be reviewed and subsequently deleted should that be the consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 01:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

You didn't edit it yourself, but you rejected the deletion request. I know this article is blatant and used mainly for propaganda purposes and this is article is clearly political as it is created by Azeri wikipedians which are spamming and rewriting history to their way (especially in the Azeri language Wikipedia, but that's another topic for another day). I don't know how to nominate it for deletion at AfD as I just know how to do basic editing and creating pages. Also, on a separate topic, could you please assist in a dilemma regarding Armenian categories in the diaspora? For example, there are two categories of Armenians in the respective such as Category:Syrian Armenians and Syrian people of Armenian descent, Category:Lebanese Armenians and Category:Lebanese people of Armenian descent, Category:Azerbaijani Armenians and Category:Azerbaijani people of Armenian descent and so on of the respective countries which were over 50 of them which were "merged" together as one category when they were clearly stated as two things and two different categories. And many of them have been deliberately removed instead of "merged" when I tried to undo them. I contacted the user JJMC89 (talk) who did this requesting an explaination for his reason and action and that he undo all of the "merging" and deletion of some of the categories. However, he never replied nor gave an appropriate response to my request and simply revert my undo action on him. I strongly believe him committing vandalism and spam in the sense that he is deliberately misleading the categories with his action of "merging" when they are clearly stated and explained as two separate categories for two different things. I am not good with these things and just try to contribute to Wikipedia in my free time when I can with basic editing, adding or proofreading, and creating pages. I would appreciate if you can look into the matter or recommend someone to investigate him and his history regarding the categories. Thanks. Hovhannesk (talk) 12:38, 04 January 2021 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 December 2020Edit

Jared Kushner pageEdit

Hey, Liz, I did a page on Alleged Corruption of Jared Kushner and I've seen you've gone in favor of removing it instead of keeping it, or instead move on to Draft page. I'd appreciate it if you could let me know how to make the article more neutral so that my work on it doesn't go wasted. I've gone through the trouble of putting very verifiable sources on all of the statements made in it and I wouldn't want it to be 100% wasted. Thank you very much for any help you could give me.

If I thought the page should be deleted, I would've deleted it. I delete a lot of pages that are marked as attack pages. That's why I suggested you move the page into Draft space, which is our work space, or move it to a more neutral title. The text itself needs a little shaping up but we just don't have articles that are titled, "The Corruption (or Alleged Corruption) of Person X"". That's stating that the person is corrupt in Wikipedia's voice which is not the role of Wikipedia. Liz Read! Talk! 01:52, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I'm gonna do some work on it and change the title. I'm gonna remove some stuff about it and leave it more up to the other editors to decide (although all of my sources are backed and I am being as neutral as possible!) To be quite honest some of it might seem on the attack-y side of it but there is simply unanimous consent out there that the son-in-law being in the inside of the White House with the president's ear on his side is not something that should go unreported. Even by any encyclopedia standards out there, the consensus is just so strong that there is blatant mishandling by the person in question that talking about it should honestly not even be an issue. Especially when there is a widespread knowledge just about everyone that said person has mishandlings and about every news station out there has alread reported on it. The first person who flagged me as supposedly an "attack" has been regulating Trump's articles for a good while, so for me it's not even a surprise that it is tried to be taken down to be quite honest. The thing is that I'm 100% against any personal attacks out there and especially on an encyclopedia, but there is just so much unanimous knowledge on Kushner's controversial role and he's just such a public figure there should not even be question about creating articles on him. It would be like saying "Nero's evil shouldn't be criticized cause it's controversial to him!". I mean, he's a public official for Lord's sake and everyone knows how corrupt he is. It's like stating a widely-known fact by now and I can (and did) refer a dozen different verifiable sources that say that. Anyway, Thank you very much for informing on everything. I'll change it as much as possible and leave it to the editors to decide. Just wanted to inform you that there is probably going to be a lot of people claiming it's "an attack" even though I'm just stating the facts and bringing up factual sources from reputable news outlets. Thanks. Have a great night and a great New Year's Eve.

Well, I chose not to delete the page because I think it has some well-sourced content and I think there is an article in there. You just can't write in Wikipedia's voice that anyone is corrupt or is criminal. That is considered an attack. The sources might indicate criminality but you need to change the title before this page gets immediately deleted. It might be an appropriate title if you were writing a book but not for a Wikipedia article.
And please sign all of your talk page post with four tildes ( ~~~~ ) so that your signature shows up. Liz Read! Talk! 02:19, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Public Perception of Jared Kushner might not be the most accurate title for the article you wrote but it is a big improvement. Liz Read! Talk! 02:23, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

OK, I changed the title to Public Perception of Jared Kushner. Hopefully it stays up and there can be civil discussion on the Talk page on it and editors will pick it up from here and add as it's appropriate. Really thanks for your help and informing me on the matter; it really does help. Glad we got this figured out in a civil manner - just didn't want my time on writing to go to waste. I'm gonna remove the things that seem more "contentious" and leave it to the editors. Thanks. Marcosoldfox (talk) 02:36, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

As expected, they're trying to remove it; and this user KidAd is unashamedly trying to delete it without giving any reason to do so, and he is clearly attempting to one-sidedly remove anything that doesn't go along with his narrative. All the president's men, I'd guess... Marcosoldfox (talk) 03:29, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Marcosoldfox,
An AfD is not unexpected. It's still a controversial article although it is no longer an attack page. Now, it'll be discussed over the next week where you can make an argument which is much better than immediate deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 03:51, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


Thanks for tagging Category:Superman arcade games for speedy deletion. I meant for it to be a redirect to Category:Superman arcade and video games, but I got sidetracked and it didn't get finished. Thanks again for the heads up! Americanfreedom (talk) 17:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Americanfreedom,
Well, I'm glad it worked out. Liz Read! Talk! 19:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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Happy New Year!Edit

Empire AS Talk! 13:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Empire AS! I wish you a healthy & prosperous 2021! Liz Read! Talk! 01:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
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Happy New Year!Edit

  Happy New Year!
Hello Liz:

Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels?

Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters.

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Thank you, UnitedStatesian! I wish you a healthy & prosperous 2021! Liz Read! Talk! 01:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the merging!Edit

  A glass of bubbles for you on New Year's Eve!
Thanks Liz for merging that article - merging is one of my downfalls on Wikipedia. I've always been dreadful at it. Happy New Year and thanks for all your contributions! Missvain (talk) 17:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, Missvain! I wish you a healthy & prosperous 2021! Liz Read! Talk! 01:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year!Edit


Happy New Year!

Hello Liz: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 01:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year snowman}} to people's talk pages with a friendly message.

Thank you, CAPTAIN RAJU! I wish you a healthy & prosperous 2021! Liz Read! Talk! 01:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year!Edit

Hello! Happy New Year! --TomFZ67 (talk) 11:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, TomFZ67! Happy 2021! Liz Read! Talk! 18:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Admin recommendationsEdit

Hey Liz, hope your holiday and 2021 is going well! I was wondering if you could possibly recommend any admin who is smart/proficient with music related articles such as album templates and such? Not too sure if you’re familiar with knowing any but I figured I’d reach out and ask! Pillowdelight (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pillowdelight,
The admin I know who is most well-versed in music articles and music WikiProjects is Ritchie333. I hope this helps! Liz Read! Talk! 04:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks so much Liz!

Pillowdelight (talk) 04:59, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2021Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news


  • By motion, standard discretionary sanctions have been temporarily authorized for all pages relating to the Horn of Africa (defined as including Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and adjoining areas if involved in related disputes). The effectiveness of the discretionary sanctions can be evaluated on the request by any editor after March 1, 2021 (or sooner if for a good reason).
  • Following the 2020 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Barkeep49, BDD, Bradv, CaptainEek, L235, Maxim, Primefac.

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Buldam, CaliforniaEdit

I undid your prod deletion of Buldam, California, because I was literally in the process of expanding it and unprodding it when my edits conflicted with your deletion. I hope you don't mind me doing it this way rather than going through a more complicated WP:REFUND request. Anyway, sorry for stepping on your toes in this way. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

No problem at all, David. Liz Read! Talk! 19:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


Why did you delete these redirects? I understand if you would delete them as unnecessary or something, but why did you delete them as implausible? I created them so that I don't have to type "Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1053#Proposed community ban of User:Sievert 81 when I wanted to link to the site ban proposal, and I created CAT:SIEVERT so that I could link to the category in the ban proposal, but why have you deleted them? JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 14:26, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, JJPMaster,
Well, we have over 20,000 sockpuppeteers and we don't have redirect pages for them. I've never heard of creating special redirect pages for a sockpuppeteer, even the most prolific cases (which is not the case with Sievert 81), and it was unwarranted.
I can see you are very invested in this particular case but we try to have established practices across the board and this was an aberration. I want to encourage you to not engage in sock can just turn you into a big target for the sockpuppeteer and gives the troll unnecessary attention. Please read Wikipedia:Deny recognition and try to put this sockpuppeteer case behind you. Hopefully, you will not have to link back to that ANI discussion ever again. Liz Read! Talk! 19:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@Liz: I will try to do that. Besides, it seems like Sievert 81 has had a change of heart after being indefinitely blocked from Conservapedia, and is now a constructive contributor on RationalWiki, albeit subject to a ban from biology-related articles so as to prevent what happened on Wikipedia from happening on there. JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 21:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

Thank you so much for the invite. It will be my pleasure to be part of your team. Thanks.

Felipe Fanzeres (talk) 20:17, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, welcome, Felipe. Liz Read! Talk! 19:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft Article: List of Degrees at Oxford universityEdit

I cancelled that but wasn't able to find where it was so I couldn't delete it. Ranamode (talk) 09:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, Ranamode. Just know that should you wish to continue to work on Draft:List of degrees at Oxford University, you can ask for it to be restored at WP:REFUND. Liz Read! Talk! 19:24, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Could you please block user: ASAP? CLCStudent (talk) 22:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

  Done Liz Read! Talk! 22:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Can user: also be blocked at your earliest convenience? CLCStudent (talk) 22:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

  Done. Although I will be away from keyboard for a while. Liz Read! Talk! 22:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Backup of a proposed article deleted by you: "Robert Mickle"Edit

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Hi Liz,
Thank you for your work on Wikipedia. I had started an article titled "Robert Mickle" which was deleted because it was considered non-notable due to lack of sufficient citations. Now I want to work on the content and improve the article in my sandbox. How can I obtain it? Can you create a draft page under my user name and put my previous work in there? Thanks,
Mehmetcaputcu (talk) 10:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mehmetcaputcu,
I apologize for the delay in responding to you. Robert_Mickle was deleted because of an expired PROD which is to be used on uncontroversial deletion. This means that, unlike other forms of deletion (like CSD and AFD), it can be restored upon request. So, it has been restored and you are free to work on it. Happy editing! Liz Read! Talk! 02:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Dear @Liz,*
You have published the article and made me happy. :)) Thank you! I added a few more references to it right away, and plan to continue to develop it in near future. I also created a link to it from an existing Wikipedia article. From:
Should we now remove the "orphan" notification box? Thanks again.
* Do I need to include the @ sign so you are notified of any message addressed to you? Thanks. Mehmetcaputcu (talk) 10:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi Liz,
Has my response reached you? Hope all are well. Thanks. Mehmetcaputcu (talk) 21:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


Hi, I'm not sure if you noticed but the RFC at AOC was NAC-Closed without even waiting for a couple of days. There were several yes votes, and many others didn't even get a chance to vote one way or the other. The closer mentioned that "respectable" editors advised that it's not going to happen, yet nobody owns the article, especially when I found "respectable" sources that would tilt for inclusion. I think the RFC should be reopened and let it run its course, one way or the other. Thanks

Draft:Second impeachment of Donald TrumpEdit

As someone who contributed to this draft, I'm curious as to who this "one author" is who requested deletion. Ribbet32 (talk) 02:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ribbet32,
Phillip Samuel created the article and made the majority of edits to this draft. After being told that this draft was a duplicate of a similar article, 2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump from office, he asked that it be deleted. I posted a note on his talk page saying that the draft could be restored if he wanted to incorporate any of the material of the draft into the article. Typically, the creator of a page can request its deletion if they made the major contributions to it. Liz Read! Talk! 02:29, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Phillip Samuel wrote the first draft which was like two sentences. A second editor (can't remember name) rewrote it completely, and I was the third contributor. Phillip Samuel was not the sole author, and was not responsible for a significant portion of it. Ribbet32 (talk) 02:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
You are correct, Ribbet32, it looks like Nirvanaoreilly made a major contribution as did you. I have restored the draft. Liz Read! Talk! 02:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone! Yes, I created the draft article with the intention of the community helping me in adding sections since I am an new and inexperienced editor. Ribbet32 you are right, I created the page but others did a majority of the work to make it substantial, but when I submitted it for article creation it got rejected multiple times since the admin and/or reviewer(s) believed it was just a duplicate article to the "2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump from office" article and ultimately didn't accept it. Since the article I created and the most of the community wrote was deemed unnecessary, it was my understanding that there was no point going forward and so I requested the article be deleted. I guess I should've read the rules more carefully when it comes to deleting pages you create :) . I'm surprised that it was deleted in a quick span of time, but if the community thinks, like I do, that it's an article worth restoring and moving into mainspace, then it should be. Are you still interested? Phillip Samuel (talk) 02:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Phillip Samuel, I wouldn't take the opinion of one or two AFC reviewers as representing "the community". And, as the draft changes and improves, the opinion of reviewers can change. Also, as I said to you, there can be sections of the draft that could be incorporated into 2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump from office if they are well-researched and well-composed. The draft has already been restored. As this draft is about an event clearly evolving in front of us on a daily basis, I assume that it will continue to need work and be expanded. Liz Read! Talk! 02:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the response! I just saw that the draft got rejected since it was repeatedly considered a clone, so I figured to delete the draft and incorporate the info into the "2021 efforts" article which is under discussion of being renamed to the title of the draft already. But if you guys think this draft holds promise then yeah I'm all for it. Phillip Samuel (talk) 03:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Elemental CalciumEdit

I see you deleted the following link: Elemental_calcium with the statement that nothing links to it. I don't have a problem with the deletion so that you're clear up front. But, as I was looking at the Bacillus_coagulans page it does exist as a link under "Other Common Ingredients". Please see also

How should we heal the broken link? Linking to something more fitting or changing the template there? Please let me know when you get a chance.

Geoff918 (talk) 04:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Geoff918,
Elemental calcium was an expired PROD and it was actually another editor who tagged it for deletion with that rationale. As an admin, I just deleted the page after the 7 day period. But PRODs are for uncontroversial deletions. If you would like to have the page restored to evaluate it, I can do that easily. Let me know. Liz Read! Talk! 05:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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Well, to be honest, I don't have an opinion. I do think that if we're going to kill off the template that we should remove it from the entire referencing system as it creates a bunch of broken links. Else, restore it. Again, I don't have an opinion other than it either needs to be removed from the template also or restored such that we don't have a broken link.

Thank you for your explanation.

Stop deletion of categoriesEdit

Hi I've currently has 9 articles in drafts (about politburos). Please dont delete categories before the articles are finished :) --Ruling party (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello,Ruling party,
I just tagged empty categories (CSD C1). If they have contents over the next week, the tag will be removed and they will be retained. If they are still empty after 7 days, they will be deleted. If you find a need for them after they have been deleted, feel free to recreate them.
If you have questions, ask me or the friendly people at the Teahouse. Liz Read! Talk! 20:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

MShachar12 - Revdel and TPA removalEdit

Hi Liz, please see their last two comments on their talk page. Not nice to say to the least. S0091 (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Ooops, thought they were already blocked so adding request to block them as well. S0091 (talk) 22:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, S0091. This is the second time this week I've been called that. I wonder if it is the same person. Liz Read! Talk! 22:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Tea for youEdit

Benevolent human (talk) 03:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Benevolent human. Liz Read! Talk! 03:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Steveengel at ANIEdit

I've mentioned you at ANI in connection with Steveengel (talk · contribs). I agree that the subpage isn't an attack page, but the compilation of lists of editors is disturbing, and I've blanked their more extensive userpage pending discussion at ANI. Acroterion (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how I missed seeing this message earlier today, Acroterion. Thanks for letting me know. Liz Read! Talk! 05:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


Can user:2603:6000:A507:C600:ADDC:4FCE:D2B9:8EF0 please be blocked ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 19:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

  Done Liz Read! Talk! 19:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Recreating Category:Pakistani silent filmsEdit

Hello am I allowed to recreate the category Category:Pakistani silent films that you deleted because of C1: Empty category but I added the article Daughters of Today that was originally falsely claimed to be a Indian film but it is actually a Pakistani film so i fixed it but found out you deleted the Pakistani Silent films as a empty category 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸,
Any category that is deleted only because it is empty can be recreated if there is a need for it. So, if there is an article that fits this category, please feel free to recreate the category or I can do that for you. Liz Read! Talk! 21:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Giuseppe Provenzano (Italian politician born, 1946)Edit

Hi, I just fixed the redlinks in article space caused by your deletion of Giuseppe Provenzano (Italian politician born, 1946). I'm not sure what should be done about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giuseppe Provenzano (Italian politician born, 1946) which no longer links to, or is linked from, the article it is about. The simplest thing would be to re-create the redirect. DuncanHill (talk) 00:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DuncanHill,
I've restored the redirect at your request but it is an implausible redirect. It might be tagged again. Liz Read! Talk! 00:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Well I'm sure any admin would check what links here to see if it is serving a useful purpose before deleting. DuncanHill (talk) 00:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Can user: please be blocked ASAP for vandalism? CLCStudent (talk) 01:02, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Looks like they have stopped editing. Let me know if they return. Liz Read! Talk! 02:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion RequestEdit

The page I marked for speedy deletion is about a living person. The only thing they are known for is a evidence-free conspiracy theory directed at them that spread a year ago on Chinese social media. That conspiracy theory has been mentioned by a few tabloids outside of China, which is not enough to make it notable. In other words, the page in question is simply wild speculation about a living person (commonly known as "libel"). It should really be oversighted, but at the very least, it should be speedily deleted without bringing further attention to the page. -Thucydides411 (talk) 07:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

The subject of the article is a missing person, and there is no telling if she is alive. How are the rumors about her falling ill malicious? The reliable sources provided meet WP:RS. ScrupulousScribe (talk) 08:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
She's not a "missing person". She's a private individual who was the target of conspiracy theories on Chinese social media. It's really outrageous that you created an entire article about an obscure, evidence-free social media conspiracy theory targeting a living person. This is exactly the reason why WP:BLP policy came into existence in the first place. -Thucydides411 (talk) 09:52, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Continuing discussion in Talk:Huang Yanling. ScrupulousScribe (talk) 10:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
I just think a deletion discussion in an AfD is more appropriate for this article than a quick CSD deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 15:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
A discussion just brings more attention to defamatory material about a private living person that clearly does not belong on Wikipedia. I'm very disappointed in how this has been handled, all around. -Thucydides411 (talk) 16:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Well, Thucydides411, it looks like the article has been deleted after a quick AFD discussion so it looks like you were correct. Liz Read! Talk! 22:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Request to restore deleted page: Shuchi AnandEdit

Hello! I didn't realize that there was a prod on Shuchi Anand. She likely meets WP:ACADEMIC based on the citation counts of her work. This is most easily demonstrated in a Google scholar search: [4]. The following articles are cited over 100 times. [5][6][7][8][9][10] This is usually enough to pass criteria 1 of ACADEMIC which states their work has had a significant impact. Could you restore the page? I will see what I can do to better demonstrate this. Thanks! TJMSmith (talk) 12:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TJMSmith,
You need to provide reasons for keeping an article at an Articles for Deletion discussion but not for a Proposed deletion which are simply restored upon request. So, the article has been restored. Good luck with improving it! Liz Read! Talk! 22:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Liz, Thanks Liz! I've added some highly cited selected works. TJMSmith (talk) 22:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Restore to userspace requestEdit

Hi Liz! LTNS, hope all is well. Would you mind temporarily restoring to my userspace these pages: Category:Geography of Rojava, Category talk:Geography of Rojava, Category:Regions of Rojava, and Category talk:Regions of Rojava (I'm not sure that this last one exists)? There were some diffs from those pages at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds and I'd like to review them and potentially include them as evidence in the pending Kurds and Kurdistan arbcom case. Thanks! Levivich harass/hound 17:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Levivich,
I don't think restoring a Category to User space would would still be a category. I could transfer any content to a user page if you'd like but typically categories do do not have much content on them except for their parent categories. Liz Read! Talk! 17:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response! It's actually not the content of the pages I'm interested in so much as the page histories, particular diffs (to show timestamps of when parent categories, or CSD tags, were added/removed, for example), and page logs. I think I'd like to link to some of that stuff for my evidence submission to arbcom but I can't see it. Can we temporarily restore the pages and blank them with some kind of notice (similar to what's sometimes done for deleted pages during DRV reviews)? Levivich harass/hound 17:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Okay, Levivich, since the only reason they were deleted was because they were empty categories, I've restored them and started the 7 day CSD C1 waiting period over again. There was no Category talk:Regions of Rojava page so there was nothing to restore. It's really no problem with empty categories as most readers aren't even aware of the category system and no one will stumble upon these categories.
If this is about the dispute about Kurdistan, I remember that there were other related categories that were tagged for CSD C1 deletion that might have been improperly emptied. I am probably responsible for 90% of empty category taggings and deletions so you might want to look over my CSD log at User:Liz/CSD log (for January) and User:Liz/CSD log/Archive/October-December 2020#December 2020 (for December) to see if there are any others that should be restored. Because there is no permanent record of a category's contents, it can be hard to know that a category has been improperly emptied unless you are familiar with the subject matter and what articles should be in the category but are not. Liz Read! Talk! 00:28, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you! You've hit the nail on the head: I suspect they were improperly emptied, but that's really hard to figure out. I appreciate the pointer to the CSD log, that should be helpful to see if there are others. I'll let you know what I find one way or the other. Thanks again! Levivich harass/hound 04:34, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you again. Whenever you have time, can you please (pardon me if I'm using the wrong language) restore the deleted revisions of Category:Afrin Region (I think it was recreated after deletion), and also Category talk:Afrin Region? (The other two Regions of Rojava are Category:Euphrates Region and Category:Jazira Region, but someone contested those two so they weren't deleted.) Levivich harass/hound 07:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


Hi Liz. I see that you deal a lot with deletions and I had a question about drafts. I'm interested in adding WikiProject tags to draft talk pages (DTPs) for WP:1 reasons. I'm looking at a pretty large number of additions so I'm curious how the (inevitable?) deletions will proceed. From what I gather, the creator of the draft is notified on the user talk page about the deletion. My question is this: Does the creator of the DTP (if it's a different person from the original draft creator) also get a notification that the DTP has been deleted? If I do go around tagging (and in many cases creating) DTPs will I be given an alarm for each deleted DTP that I created? Apologies in advance if this question sounds convoluted. -Thibbs (talk) 19:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Thibbs,
I think I understand your questions. First, I don't think there is any problem with putting a WikiProject banner on a draft talk page. It doesn't happen all of the time but it does happen. You would get a notice about a deletion tagging except that it is rare that we tag the talk pages for deletion. The draft page is tagged but draft talk pages typically aren't tagged (they fall under CSD G8). That extra step is just not typically done. As I understand it, putting the WikiProject banners on the draft talk pages would mean that the page would appear on a WikiProject's Article Alert if it was tagged for regular deletion (in this case, only MFD as drafts can't be PROD'd). However, since aging drafts are typically tagged for CSD G13 speedy deletion, they wouldn't appear on an article alert because they are usually deleted as soon as they hit the "six months with no edits" mark.
What I'm not sure of is whether this is good or bad news...did you want to be notified? Or are you planning on creating so many draft talk pages that notifications would overwhelm your talk page and you are glad not to be getting them? And, out of curiosity, what WikiProjects are you working with? I don't do all of the deletions but I could keep an eye out. It is also helpful to look over User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon which lists the drafts approaching their six month mark. Folks working in Articles for Creation area sometimes look over this list and save promising drafts before they are due to expire. Liz Read! Talk! 00:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I don't want to be notified because I anticipate being overwhelmed by them, but it sounds like I probably won't be. I've been adding WP project tags for categories and templates for WP:VG recently but I've been leaving the drafts alone. Seeing as they do track VG drafts on WP:1 I figured I'd do some tagging because the current count (291 drafts) is far from the actual count. Either way I'll probably experiment with a smaller batch before going headlong into it. Thanks again for your explanation! -Thibbs (talk) 04:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:Sun Microsystems computersEdit

Hello! Sorry, can You rename this category as "Sun computers" instead of deleting? After renaming I could fill the category with the same logic as existing commons category. Thanks! ThisIsNotABetter (talk)

Hello, ThisIsNotABetter,
This is not how categories are renamed, they are not moved, ordinarily you should go make a proposal for a speedy rename at Categories for Discussion....HOWEVER, since this is an empty category that is tagged for deletion, I did as you requested because it doesn't affect any other pages and the category has no pages assigned to it. I have left the CSD tag on it because it is still an empty category. If it is still empty in 7 days, it will be deleted. As soon as it isn't empty, the tag will be removed. Liz Read! Talk! 00:13, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for moving, it's a nice result for current time. ThisIsNotABetter (talk) 14:03, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Colentina, BucharestEdit

Colentina, Bucharest is being attacked. CLCStudent (talk) 16:55, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


user:DISMEYCARTOON207 is abusing her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 00:38, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

thanks for inviting me to the tea house. hope i can help you

Felipe Fanzeres (talk) 01:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

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Speedy deletionEdit

Hello, you nominated a tracking category that is used by a template to show errors which at the moment is empty. Trigenibinion (talk) 15:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Trigenibinion,
If it's the category I'm thinking of, it is no longer empty and the tag has been removed. Liz Read! Talk! 17:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
I have to thank you because my documentation was outdated, and I also learned how I have to tag such categories. Regards. Trigenibinion (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for Category:Mayors of Davao CityEdit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Mayors of Davao City. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Thank you for letting me know. Please remember to sign your talk page posts. Liz Read! Talk! 17:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Eh, I thought the template did that. Thanks for the reminder. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:40, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Your message on my talk pageEdit

Hi. Regarding your message on my talk page: You're right about the deletion request process. I'm not new on WP, but have been inactive a looong time, so forgive some lapses. Regarding your other note: I've never been a fan of archiving once things are settled, but I'll think of something. Best, Robert Kerber (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, Robert, we all have areas where we can learn something. Personally, I try to have little interaction with files and images. If you have any questions, let me know or I often recommend the Teahouse, if it hadn't been around when I was a new editor, I probably would have quit years ago. Liz Read! Talk! 02:33, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


Can user:2600:1017:B0AD:7FD7:FDC7:DC6C:AA03:878A please be blocked ASAP? Thank you. CLCStudent (talk) 01:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Taken care of and I've protected the article. Liz Read! Talk! 02:34, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

On-going film page deletionEdit

Hello Liz, The film page at was deleted based on a proposal about it being shelved during production. That is untrue and we've been working on the post-production of the same through COVID times. The film is almost complete and is in the sound-mix stage. I would appreciate this page be restored. You can find activities of the film on its social media pages (@mysoremasalafilm). Appreciate your help on this. Thank you. Zaphodbroxy (talk) 02:28, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Zaphodbroxy,
It's not a matter of convincing me, Mysore Masala: The UFO Incident was tagged with a Proposed deletion tag which is for uncontroversial deletions. It can be restored upon request so that is what I've done.
Also, when you add a comment to any talk page, please put it at the bottom of the page. When new messages are posted in the middle of a talk page, it is very easy to miss them. Liz Read! Talk! 02:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Possible deletion of Love Is StrengthEdit

Hi. Because we just had the discussion: I think this article (on a lost film) also "qualifies" for deletion. No citations have been added since they had been asked for in May 2019. Before I add a deletion request template and inform the original creator: would you agree or is this deletion request not worth the effort? (I. e. would probably be denied a deletion.) Thanks Robert Kerber (talk) 17:59, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, User:Robert Kerber,
That article looks like a good candidate for a PROD. If another editor disagrees and "de-PRODs" the article (removes the tag), it doesn't reflect poorly on you. We have editors who go through categories and PROD dozens of subpar articles...those efforts require more care. I'd just PROD articles that you happen to come across that you think qualify for an uncontroversial deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 18:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Will do so, thanks Robert Kerber (talk) 18:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi User:Liz, a short postscriptum: I've left deletion requests on two pages which happen to be from the same author. On his talk page, the author explicitly states that he does NOT wish notifications of requested deletions posted on his page. I guess I can leave it like this, then. Let me know if you think otherwise or have a different suggestion. Thanks Robert Kerber (talk) 18:41, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:Liz, as a user denied the deletion for reasons I do not regard sufficient, I started a discussion for a 2nd AfD. In case this interests you: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Love_Is_Strength_(2nd_nomination). Thanks Robert Kerber (talk) 14:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

one of your G13sEdit

Draft:Hiram W. Duncan was a State senator. I found a 2nd ref and accepted it. (I will admit, it took over an hour, mainly to rule out the other people with similar names) DGG ( talk ) 07:51, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

there were a few other G13s I restored, but this was the clearest that was unquestionably notable DGG ( talk ) 07:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Well, DGG, you rescue quite a few aging drafts, thanks for letting me know about this one. Liz Read! Talk! 05:21, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:Bordrin vehiclesEdit

Hello Liz! I saw that you nominated my category Bordrin vehicles for nomination. Just wanted to tell you that the reason that category is empty because my article Bordrin was moved to draftspace, which also messed up some redirect pages to Bordrin. DestinationFearFan (talk) 16:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DestinationFearFan,
Empty categories are tagged for 7 days. If they are still empty after a week, they are deleted. If they aren't empty, the CSD tag is removed. And any categories that are deleted simply for being empty can be recreated when they are needed. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 16:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

It does, thank you! DestinationFearFan (talk) 22:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


Hi Liz, sorry to bother you. I just want to know what you think of this. I ask you because you are the one who almost every day leaves a new deletion notice on his talk page. For me it is unfair that in its attempt to monopolize all the articles that it can request the recovery of editions that were deleted because they were abandoned. In any case, I think the correct thing to do would be to request the restoration before another user recreates it and not after. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 13:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bruno,
That is a curious request. All I'll say is that there are a few editors who start a huge number of drafts with minimal content. I expect they think they will eventually get around to working on them and these CSD G13 deletion notices I post on their talk pages are, to them, just reminders of drafts they had forgotten about. This is not the way most content creators here work which is on one or a few drafts at a time, polishing them up over time.
But I'd try not to let this situation bother you. Over the years, I've seen lots of productive editors get into trouble when they can't let go of conflicts with editors that get under their skin and I think that is just tragic for them and for Wikipedia. I think in these situations, it's best to just keep your distance and focus on the part of editing that you enjoy. Liz Read! Talk! 05:19, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Ok Liz, you're right. It does not make sense to initiate this type of conflict that later can translate into blockages. Thank you for taking the time to respond and we apologize for the inconvenience. Greetings. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 13:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
... Starzoner (talk) 20:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Direct Contact RequestEdit

Hi—thank you for your feedback on my talk page r/t that direct contact request. This all seems very strange. That IP has emailed me and it does seem to be the individual that they are claiming to be (email matches up with what is on their website, etc.). They are now requesting a phone conversation or a Zoom meeting, and honestly, it feels like an attempt to intimidate me. I appreciate your advice on my page. - Hobomok (talk) 14:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hobomok,
I would trust your gut. The person already has your email address and personally, I would want to retain my anonymity. It's also unfair that they seem to hold you responsible for the state of an article that anyone can edit. You know more about this person than I do so perhaps you are curious enough to want to engage them to hear what they have to say but, personally, I wouldn't do so given the hostility they have expressed towards you. Editing Wikipedia is a volunteer activity and you should never feel compelled to have contact off-line with any of us. Liz Read! Talk! 05:10, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

My UserpageEdit

Thanks for restoring my userpage. I was really confused when I saw the deletion log in my watchlist. That was honestly *very* random CSD tagging. Starzoner (talk) 15:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Starzoner,
It was strange indeed because the editor who tagged your user page was very new and the admin should have questioned the appropriateness of the CSD tagging. 04:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Liz Read! Talk!

Nicholas AlahverdianEdit

New news recently. starship.paint (exalt) 04:32, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, Starship.paint, I contacted the local paper after the Wikipediocracy stories and looking into his sockpuppet accounts that have still been editing here and on the Commons and contesting edits. It was bizarre that Wikipediocracy, who really fear no one, removed those articles so there must have been some legal threat which just makes one wonder who would have issued a threat. I simply suggested to the local reporter that they look into this story but there was no response so I thought there probably wasn't any story here, that it was just a strange situation that would remain unexplained. It will be interesting to see if there is any move to remove the new information on BLP grounds. What a weird situation especially given his role here as an editor. Thanks again for informing me. Liz Read! Talk! 05:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Excellent work, Liz. Have you seen this? Wonder if it is from this person? Wonder if someone will investigate. starship.paint (exalt) 07:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Interesting, Starship.paint, because the lawyer signing the DMCA states his address is in Cambridge, MA, where Alahverdian was from, but the attorney's own website says that he is retired and living in Florida. And even when he was practicing law, he wasn't licensed to practice in MA but in other states. And the previous effort of trying to replace ones image on Wikipedia with a photo of someone else that anyone can see is not you? More strange inconsistencies. Or a sloppy job covering your tracks.
I didn't know that the WMF posted DMCAs publicly, that's also interesting to see. Liz Read! Talk! 20:46, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Did you see this discussion? Liz Read! Talk! 20:54, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
I have responded there. How about this? starship.paint (exalt) 01:22, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
I had not heard of Lumen before this. I see he's been sending dozens of notices to Google since 2013. Considering how hungry he was for publicity early in his life, it's interesting how he's trying to remove every photo of himself from the Internet. According to latest news story, he owes quite a lot of money to family members. I posted a message to the WMF representative asking whether they confirmed the identity of the person who states he represents the Alahverdian Trust. We'll see if I get a response. Liz Read! Talk! 01:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

The Stranger Within a WomanEdit

Hi User:Liz, can you help here or suggest someone who can?
The page The Stranger Within a Woman had been erroneously moved to page The Thin Line (1966 film) by a user. The Stranger Within a Woman is the main title, The Thin Line a more seldom used a.k.a./alternative title. In the article's head section, the correct title has been reinstated – see article history. Still, we now have a redirect from The Stranger to The Thin Line, when it should be the other way around. To do this, the Stranger page has to be deleted by an admin first, according to WP:MOVE#Undoing_a_move, so The Thin Line (1966 film) can be moved back and its history and subsequent edits preserved. I don't want to tilt history and subsequent edits with a simple copy–paste-job. Best Robert Kerber (talk) 17:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Robert,
I moved the article back to its original location. FYI, it's not appropriate to PROD a redirect, they are only meant for articles. If you ever want to delete a redirect, propose it at WP:RFD. If you want to do a move which you are prevented from doing because of this kind of situation, you can go to WP:RM or just ask an admin which you did in this case. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 20:36, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
I see. Many thanks, Liz. Robert Kerber (talk) 23:17, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Can user: please be blocked ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 20:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

  Done Liz Read! Talk! 20:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 January 2021Edit

Draft:Rt RanaEdit

Hello Dear Liz , I expanded it a bit and made it more respectable. What do you think about it ? I think it's quite close to wikipedia level. and he is from srilanka and he is doing srilanka and India government official notable program and can you help with expand this article .Rajuiu (talk) 12:57, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2021Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2021).



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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 20Edit

A kitten for you!Edit


Tatupiplu'talk 06:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


Hello, can you check the deleted edits from the user who uploaded the file? I would like to know where the pictured location is. (I want to move the file to Commons, but I need the context for that). --TheImaCow (talk) 08:38, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TheImaCow,
I don't think their deleted edits would be helpful. One was a duplicate image of the one you are concerned with and the second was the image of a boat that was deleted because it had no licensing information. The only additional content on that second image was a URL that now is a dead link. Sorry it didn't have any more useful information. Liz Read! Talk! 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Well then. I moved the image to Commons and put it in the category "Basel", because the user has edited something in the Basel article, and because you can see a Swiss flag on the image, that's better than nothing. Thanks for the help anyway! --TheImaCow (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Category:Windmills completed in 1975Edit

I've contested the speedy deletion of this category, which was emptied by another editor. Discussion is currently taking place at talk:Weald and Downland Living Museum#Cats and navbox. Mjroots (talk) 20:09, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mjroots,
Categories sometime get "emptied out of process". This is why empty categories sit for 7 days in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion after being tagged CSD C1, so that any improper emptying can be looked into and perhaps reversed. As soon as the category is no longer empty, the tag will be removed. Liz Read! Talk! 20:14, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Ah, right, so we've got time then. I notified all relevant WPs of the discussion. I'm sure we can reach an acceptable conclusion here. Mjroots (talk) 20:16, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Can user: please be blocked ASAP for vandalism. CLCStudent (talk) 01:03, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

  Done. Liz Read! Talk! 01:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Coyote ‎Edit

Can Coyote ‎ please be protected ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 01:10, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

  Done. I've blocked a couple IP addresses but this user from Oxford is jumping around IP addresses. Liz Read! Talk! 01:33, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Can user: please be blocked ASAP for vandalism. CLCStudent (talk) 01:41, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

  Done Liz Read! Talk! 01:44, 5 February 2021 (UTC)


Hello, you just hung {{d|c1}} on the page I created. What you don't know, however, is that a user broke the page I created before. As a result, the classification happened to conform to CSD C1. Please don't make this mistake again, thank you!--Alcremie (talk) 04:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Alcremie,
Except for a few exceptions, empty categories are deleted on Wikipedia if they are still empty after 7 days. If the category is no longer empty, the tag will be removed. Liz Read! Talk! 04:50, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Male, a nerdEdit

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

starship.paint (exalt) 15:54, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

RevDel requestEdit

Hi Liz, will you please revdel this. S0091 (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

  Done. Thank you for your quick action, S0091. I also appreciate you going through stale drafts so thoroughly and transferring drafts in good shape to the main space of the project. Liz Read! Talk! 20:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Liz! I am pleasantly surprised there is as much salvageable there given all the cruft we see. Thanks for you do around here as well. S0091 (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For all your relentless dedication to G-13 related deletions. You are definitely a tireless alien. Haha Celestina007 (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, Celestina007. Having editors tag them first sure saves me a lot of time so thank you, and a few other editors, for all your work.
I think I'll move on sometime soon to a different activity. As far as editing tasks go, it's a bit tedious...I see a lot of blank pages and it's great to know that AFC is approving so many good drafts. Liz Read! Talk! 23:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
It’s always an honor to work with you Liz. Celestina007 (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

You've got mailEdit

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Brainbox (talk) 06:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Deaf Space has been acceptedEdit

Deaf Space, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as C-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. This is a great rating for a new article, and places it among the top 18% of accepted submissions — kudos to you! You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

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If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider leaving us some feedback.

Thanks again, and happy editing!

2pou (talk) 22:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Joe Roche articleEdit

You deleted the Joe Roche article last month. Next time you prod to delete a page, you should have the common courtesy to leave a comment on the user page of the person who created it. That's pretty common Wikipedia etiquette. The page was on wikipedia for 15 years and questioning the sources by simply stating you don't think a major regional newspaper is a satisfactory source is not academic or the way that a deletion discussion is usually done. David Straub (talk) 10:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, David Straub,
Notifying the page creator of a page that is tagged for deletion is the responsibility of the editor who tagged the page who, in this case, was Eddie891. The page tagger is the editor who provides the justification for deletion. I'm sorry you weren't notified.
Since it was deleted as a PROD, any administrator can restore the page if that is what you want. Liz Read! Talk! 20:19, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
in this case, twinkle notified the wrong person, though it is not required to notify the creator I would have if I realized the error. Why that happened, I could not tell you. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Granni has a new commentEdit

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Granni. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 03:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


Liz - I'm unclear as to why you deleted Talk:Saifai "G8: Talk page of a nonexistent or deleted page" as we still have a page Saifai - not sure what, if anything, was on it when you deleted it? - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 18:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for catching this, Arjayay. An editor changed the redirect target of Statue of Krishna and it showed up on the Broken Redirect list as broken. I deleted it and and when I went to delete the talk page, Talk:Statue of Krishna, it was a correct redirect to Talk:Saifai and I didn't notice that I was now on a different page. So, I made two mistakes and I'm glad you brought it to my attention. Everything is restored now and Statue of Krishna now points to the correct redirect, Saifai. Changing redirect targets is an infrequent form of vandalism but it does happen. Thanks again for telling me so I could make the correct changes. Liz Read! Talk! 18:19, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

RevDel requestEdit

Hello admin, sorry to bother you but can you please remove the edit summaries of this and this edit? Thank you. --Ashleyyoursmile! 18:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

  Done Thanks for catching these...let me know if the editor persists. Liz Read! Talk! 18:38, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much, I'm keeping an eye on their edits.   Ashleyyoursmile! 18:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

5-month AFC notificationsEdit

I can't for the life of my find the thread from a few weeks ago where we discussed this, but it looks like User:Bot0612 is back to notifying users when their draft is 5 months old. Thought you might like to know! Primefac (talk) 13:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah! Thanks for letting me know, Primefac. The discussion over the past months actually happened in a couple different places but the one where I know you weighed in was here on AFC, back in October. Glad it finally came together...I should have gone straight to Bot Requests! Liz Read! Talk! 16:06, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Deleted draftEdit

You recently deleted Draft:National Consumer Law Center. Could you please email me the text of the deleted draft and its edit history? I created the draft as part of a legal internship with the National Consumer Law Center, and its been years since the person I've been working with last contacted me. I fully understand there is no point in keeping the draft on Wikipedia, but I'd like a copy for my personal records. (My personal email is already linked to this account). Spirit of Eagle (NCLC) (talk) 18:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Spirit of Eagle (NCLC),
This draft was deleted as a CSD G13 which is a stale draft that hasn't been edited in six months. These deletions can be restored upon request. So, I have restored Draft:National Consumer Law Center and you can copy the information or continue to work on it. Liz Read! Talk! 22:09, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. I've saved everything that I wanted to save. Spirit of Eagle (NCLC) (talk) 20:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

User talk:

Hi Liz Apologies but I see you were active blocking someone recently, could you please take a look at the above (use google translate on their reply to my level 1 warning). Thanks JW 1961 Talk 21:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Joseywales1961,
Thanks for the head's up, especially regarding the translation. I've given the editor a short block from editing. Liz Read! Talk! 22:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks and good night from Ireland (calling it a day!) JW 1961 Talk 22:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

User talk deletionEdit

Hi Liz, when I created the user talk archive you just speedily deleted here it was in response to a request to delete following a renaming. I could see the motivation for deletion, but I didn't want to delete the record of discussion because "User talk pages and user talk archives created by page move are generally not deleted; they are usually needed for reference by other users" (WP:DELTALK). Creating the archive with the old name replaced by the new one was a workaround that addressed both these issues, but you undid that without discussing it with me. I don't see a good reason to remove the talk archive, so could you explain? Fences&Windows 20:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Fences and windows,
I just saw that Oman160 requested that his page be deleted. Every day, I remove CSD tags from user talk pages that have been tagged for deletion with the explanation that we don't delete user talk pages but I guess I messed this one up. I'll restore it. My apologies. Liz Read! Talk! 20:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Liz, I thought I might be missing something about the process but I see it was a slip. Oman160, please leave be that record of prior discussions. Fences&Windows 20:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Can user: please be blocked ASAP for vandalism. CLCStudent (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

  Done Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


My apologies, looks like I had reverted the wrong version. Thank you for reverting the edit, blocking the user, and protecting the article. --Ashleyyoursmile! 16:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

No problem, Ashleyyoursmile, I thought it was incidental vandalism but it looks like it's persistent sockpuppet accounts. Liz Read! Talk! 16:37, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Yes, they are a sock of Szczepan76 who has been globally locked [11]. Thank you very much for protecting the article. Ashleyyoursmile! 16:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Caste categoriesEdit

Hi Liz, I've just removed the speedy deletion tag you placed on Category:Other Backward Classes of Karnataka. That category, like several analogous ones, is often emptied by those who have a caste-system-related POV to push; but the fact that they are empty at any given time is a poor indicator of their necessity. There are several caste-based categories used by the Indian Union government or the various state governments, and unless and until that changes, such categorization is going to be valid and useful. If an empty category is a maintenance issue, a post to WT:INB will usually help fix it. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 18:02, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vanamonde,
Thanks for letting me know about this situation. Cases like this are one big reasons why empty categories sit for a week to make sure they haven't been emptied "out of process". Unfortunately, there is no edit history about what articles were in categories that were removed so unless one is familiar with the subject, it can be hard to backtrack to reverse category changes. If this happens again with a caste category, I will go to WT:INB and post a notice there. Liz Read! Talk! 18:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate that it's hard to track, and very few people bother with tracking categories anyway. I'm only likely to see such a problem at all if I see a deletion notice somewhere. With respect to empty caste categories, it's often useful to check who the creator was; if it's an experienced editor, odds are it has been emptied inappropriately. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 19:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


Did you look at the history before you deleted this article? I can't see that there was any need to delete it after I spent some time checking and improving it. The content is supported by good, albeit primary, sources. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:23, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Peter coxhead,
The issue with Atlanticetus was not your contribution to the article but the fact that the page was created by a sockpuppet of a blocked editor and the policy is to delete these pages. I have restored it for you but another admin might see fit to delete it again. Liz Read! Talk! 20:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for restoring it. I'd just point out that if it is deleted, then so should Template:Taxonomy/Atlanticetus be, since I only created it to fix the taxobox error in the article. (I monitor the taxobox error-checking categories most days.) I also created redirects to the article, which should also be deleted. It's all very well having a blanket policy of deleting articles created by banned users, but if they have been integrated into Wikipedia (and Wikidata), then this integration should be cleaned up. It's like moving an article; movers are requested to clean up afterwards. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:47, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Jack P.Edit

I see you deleted Draft:Jack Palmer (Mathematician) as a blatant hoax. You might want to read User talk:Davidwr#New page, opened back on the 15th, about the same topic. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, davidwr,
It wasn't just Draft:Jack Palmer (Mathematician) page, it was other Jack Palmer pages, moving disambiguation pages around, a lot of disruption. And according to this draft, this 22 year old mathematician had all of these marvelous accomplishments ("genius cryptographer") without any citations backing up anything. If it's not a hoax, then it was awfully promotional with no supporting references. There was also some strange editing going on with both User:MarcusLowryLol and Alexhair93 working on these articles and drafts. All put together, it was not a typical "I want to write a draft article" situation although I think you offered the user some good advice. Liz Read! Talk! 00:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Even with WP:AGF dialed up to eleven, this sounds like a combo of "too soon, if ever" and "fan-boys/WP:COI", which translates as "WP:NOTWEBHOST/WP:NOTPROMO, other web hosting services exist that may meet your needs, good luck to you". davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
Thankyou for your understanding and support. It’s an honor to work with you Liz. Kirsaan.jatt (talk) 06:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

beetle redirectsEdit

Hi. Thanks for letting me know the chain of things here, most of this makes sense in light of the bot flagging. All but one of the IP edits were aligned with the present world catalogue just released in 2020, the problem is that the article on Megacephala is based on an outdated 2011 resource (outdated even in 2011, as the genus-rank changes took place in 2007), so only a few of the redirects pointed to articles that were under the correct genus name, Tetracha, which I'd begun to iron out recently. You'll note that six species actually had TWO articles in WP until recently, because one author established the Megacephala article and a different author later established the Tetracha article without realizing that the six Tetracha species they created articles for already had articles under the old genus name. I've just cleared up the confusion by creating/moving articles to the "target" titles, so the redirects now all point where they need to. The one exception is one that didn't need to be a redirect, as the article in the old genus had the wrong species name, and needed to be renamed anyway. Thanks, Dyanega (talk) 23:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Request for undeletion of Draft:Janine BeichmanEdit

Hi, I'd like to request the undeletion of Draft:Janine Beichman. I've been a bit occupied, between the week-long block by an admin helping out a bunch of POV pushers and the open-heart surgery that went sideways on the table. When I get out of the hospital, I'll probably have time to work on it, as she seems to be a scholar worth an article.

--Calton | Talk 00:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

  Done. Happy to restore a draft. Liz Read! Talk! 00:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Recently WP:PROD U-15 Football TeamsEdit

Hi Liz, is there any way to restore both Haiti national under-15 football team and Puerto Rico national under-15 football team? I was late to remove these proposals. The argument was based on the discussion here which is still ongoing and did not mention these teams in the discussion by name, though it seems like a mass deletion campaign for the U-15 Football Teams in general. I had voiced my concern to keep, in this discussion where the decision is currently at odds; a split.

Now, I could very well recreate these pages because I do argue that they do indeed satisfy WP:GNG, but I do not think it is fair to the other contributors and the history of these pages would be lost as well. These expirations are not far removed and I was a bit preoccupied today and wasn't able to formally address these concerns and remove these days.

I urge you if possible, to restore these 2 articles and I will be sure to source these independent sources myself.

Thank you kindly Savvyjack23 (talk) 01:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Savvyjack23,
Proposed deletions (PRODs) are considered uncontroversial deletions so if they are contested, the tag is removed and they are restored. Other forms of deletion, like AFD deletion discussions, are more difficult but PRODs are easy to respond to. However, the editor who nominated them for proposed deletion might take them to AFD where you will have to provide some justification or improve them to meet article expectations. As of now, however, they are restored. Liz Read! Talk! 01:43, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Understood and thank you!!   Savvyjack23 (talk) 05:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi Liz, sorry to bother again. Is it possible to recover the talk pages for these two articles as well? I can't remember if there was any content on them. Savvyjack23 (talk) 02:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
D'uh! Do not feel like you are bothering me, Savvyjack23, for some reason, I sometimes forget to restore the talk page as well. Sorry you had to come back! Liz Read! Talk! 02:32, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Haha, no worries that's like me all the time and thanks again! -By the way, you have some really neat userboxes; you are reinspiring my fascination! I love the Old-fashioned Wikipedian values one in particular   Have an awesome weekend! Savvyjack23 (talk) 02:44, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Mistaken identityEdit

This is not my article, User:Hdjukic/sandbox, maybe you should take the time to check first before posting comments on my talk page. Not appreciated. Dan arndt (talk) 10:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Dan arndt, Twinkle sends a talk page notice to the first editor of a page which you were in this case. I don't know why you don't remember. We are not going to change Twinkle to stop sending out page creator notices because these notices are appropriate. But I promise to never send you a talk page notice, for any reason, since that seems to be what you are requesting. I'm bewildered why you are offended by a talk page notice but since you are so bothered, I will omit ever posting one ever again to your talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 02:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I think he got caught up in "Twinkle treats a page mover as a page creator." Personally, I think Twinkle should be sensitive to pages that started life as redirects and also alert the editor of the first post-redirect-edit, but I don't see this as an urgent feature request. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:15, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation, davidwr. Liz Read! Talk! 03:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Can user: please be blocked ASAP for vandalism; see their filter too. They just came off a 31-hour block. CLCStudent (talk) 18:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)



Can user:PizzaHutWadsworth please be blocked ASAP for vandalism? CLCStudent (talk) 18:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

  Done Liz Read! Talk! 18:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Please review the draftEdit

Hi, please review the draft: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabri1112 (talkcontribs) 07:25, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Re the American IdiotEdit

Question though, I kind of waited for deletion to recreate, although I respect your choice to restore. Admittedly, most of the edits are sockpuppet edits, so I wasn't really sure to just simply remove the g13 tag. Starzoner (talk) 00:12, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Starzoner, I think your interest in being the first edit or page creator is misguided and will get you into trouble here. It doesn't matter who creates the article, please just focus on improving the existing articles. Don't wait to improve articles until after they have been deleted or keep score or who gets credit.
As for this particular article, it was not deleted because of sockpuppet activity but simply was a G13 and stale drafts are restored upon request or if contested. Recreating the article the same day it was deleted is a form of contesting the deletion of this draft on this subject.
In a positive sense, there is now a lot of existing content in the edit history that you can make use of that was not accessible until it was restored. Liz Read! Talk! 00:20, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Alright thank you. I'll just focus more on content instead of seeing my name as the first edit. I think I'm getting ahead of myself now. I apologize. Starzoner (talk) 00:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Question on what to doEdit

First, thanks in the prior thread for telling me to not worry about being first as creator. I have a question now regarding another user who is bent on getting "first". Basically, regarding Draft:Untitled Pet Sematary prequel, the other user created it first by a few minutes, but I created my own draft (not knowing his earlier draft). He insisted on merging and copying over content (including a copy paste of my work to his draft) that his is better. I admittedly want to keep my own draft to work on, as I don't wnat to just simply throw away the revisions. Instead, he is threatening to report me to WP:AN, again. What should be done in this situation? Starzoner (talk) 13:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

As always, you only count the things that are convenient for you. For example, I have no problem sending to delete a draft because another user already created it before me. This can be see in Draft:Untitled Beavis & Butt-Head film that I request delete without any problem and then add that information in your draft. You're the one with drafts like this one you created, even though there is already Draft: Untitled Bong Joon-ho film that is much better written and referenced. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 13:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Question about categories and redirectsEdit

Hi Liz, I was hoping you might have time to answer a question I had about categories and redirects.

The redirect I was looking at is Bāti Dēlōmbira Mahfuz. Is this a case where WP:INCOMPATIBLE applies and the article cats are appropriate? or should they be replaced with maintenance cats for redirects? possibly both?

I noticed you had nominated a couple of cats Heesxiisoleh had created re: Somalia, for deletion which is what led me to you for this question. On a side note, I was wondering if you had any previous concerns about notability, sourcing, and the biographies this user is creating.

Hope this finds you well, best wishes from Los Angeles,  // Timothy :: talk  09:36, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Timothy,
Sorry for my tardy response, I seem to have missed your talk page message when it was posted.
I don't create many redirects, although I correct many broken redirects, so I'm no expert on categorizing them. Most redirects are not categorized at all and those that I have dealt with that are categorized typically have 1-3 categories at most. Bāti Dēlōmbira Mahfuz has a large number, six, but it was created by Aciram who has over 80,000 edits so I would just let this one go as being an exception to the common practice.
I have at times removed categories from redirect pages when the category was empty except for a redirect...I don't think having one redirect in an otherwise empty category justifies the category existing, I think there should be at least one article for each category although I know that there are editors who would disagree with my stance. But removing categories from redirects hasn't happened very often because, as I said, most redirects are not categorized at all. I would like to say that editors are following Wikipedia guidelines for categorizing redirects but I think it mostly comes down to the preferences of the redirect creator rather than some hard-and-fast rule. Some categorize the redirects they create but most don't bother with them.
As for Heesxiisoleh, the categories I tagged were CSD C1, empty categories, an activity I do almost daily. Many newer editors create categories before they are needed so empty categories pop up daily, we have a daily report on them at Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories. I haven't looked at their other edits but now I'll take a look and see if anything is obviously amiss. But creating empty categories is not a concern in itself unless the editor doesn't read their CSD notices and continues to create them.
I hope all is well in LA. Send us in the NW U.S. some of your sunshine! By March, I'm pretty tired of the rain. Liz Read! Talk! 00:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Taxa named by Bernadette Mabel Manjaji-MatsumotoEdit


A tag has been placed on Category:Taxa named by Bernadette Mabel Manjaji-Matsumoto requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:24, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I just created this category because it was on the Wanted categories list. Whatever will be, will be. Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Taxa named by Osvaldo Takeshi OyakawaEdit


A tag has been placed on Category:Taxa named by Osvaldo Takeshi Oyakawa requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:31, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Two for two! Liz Read! Talk! 23:32, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Taxa named by Edson H.L. PereiraEdit


A tag has been placed on Category:Taxa named by Edson H.L. Pereira requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:32, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

What, UnitedStatesian, are all of these Wanted categories bad? Liz Read! Talk! 23:33, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Yes, all bad. In the cases where the discoverer does not have a Wikipedia article, there should not be a "Taxa named by . . ." category. See the comment on the talkpage of the mass editor, at User talk:Phil Fish#Category pages. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, UnitedStatesian. There are literally dozens of these "Taxa named by" categories on the Wanted categories list, it's the biggest group of red link categories. I guess some have been tagging pages with too many red links. Liz Read! Talk! 23:45, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Hopefully slightly fewer on the list than when I started working through them; will be reflected on the next re-run. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
I never paid much attention to these pages until this week. They, along with Unused categories, seem to be run every three days. Liz Read! Talk! 23:49, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


I only have one comment: The reason there is no species in the Edson H. L. Pereira page is because someone removed them from the species page.Phil Fish (talk) 21:08, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 February 2021Edit

Administrators' newsletter – March 2021Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2021).

  Administrator changes

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  Interface administrator changes


  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • When blocking an IPv6 address with Twinkle, there is now a checkbox with the option to just block the /64 range. When doing so, you can still leave a block template on the initial, single IP address' talkpage.
  • When protecting a page with Twinkle, you can now add a note if doing so was in response to a request at WP:RfPP, and even link to the specific revision.
  • There have been a number of reported issues with Pending Changes. Most problems setting protection appear to have been resolved (phab:T273317) but other issues with autoaccepting edits persist (phab:T275322).



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please see my comment on my talk page. Starzoner (talk) 20:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

New message from 1234qwer1234qwer4Edit

Hello, Liz. You have new messages at User talk:Fastily/Archive 7.
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Your submission at Articles for creation: David August (March 5)Edit

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Robert McClenon (talk) 02:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Liz! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Robert McClenon (talk) 02:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Blocking vandals! AntoineHound (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your vigilance, AntoineHound. Liz Read! Talk! 02:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)