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The link you asked forEdit

Sorry I'm bad at using wikipedia and messed up adding the cite, I asked Northern the other day about Bolton's Platform 2 and they replied to me


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The MonkEdit

I was sitting with a high steward, discussing Anglo-Saxon monks. The name we couldn't remember was Nennius. All the best: Rich Farmbrough04:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC).


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Template talk:WikiProject BiographyEdit

Hi Redrose64, quick message. On Template talk:WikiProject Biography, I removed the category not because I had been lazy and just not fixed the issue, I just hadn't realised that it might have been there because someone had posted a link to it in the talk. I had assumed it was just a one-time problem with the actual template itself at the top of the talk page, and so I could fix that by removing the category. I used hot cat, so didn't actually see what I had deleted. I should have checked changes before pressing to save my edit. I apologise, I just wanted to clear any misunderstanding. Thanks, SamWilson989 (talk)

Sailing from Holyhead?Edit

Where can you sail to by Stena Line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IkbenFrank (talkcontribs) 20:08, 27 April 2015

Season's GreetingsEdit

Wishing you a Charlie Brown
Charlie Russell Christmas! 🎄
Best wishes for your Christmas
Is all you get from me
'Cause I ain't no Santa Claus
Don't own no Christmas tree.
But if wishes was health and money
I'd fill your buck-skin poke
Your doctor would go hungry
An' you never would be broke.

—C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1914.

VarunFEB2003 and template signatures.Edit

Disputes for over a yearEdit

This is happening on multiple articles. For example, the disputes on another article are not resolved for over a year. See talk page. I tried fixing things before on this topic area and I was told to revert. The RfCs will help resolve the disputes. QuackGuru (talk) 19:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@QuackGuru: Why do you need eight ongoing RfCs for one article? Have you been observing WP:RFCBEFORE? You are swamping the RfC system (see WP:RFC/ECON), and I expect that a lot of people are already thinking "oh no, not another RfC for electric smoking system - I shall ignore that, just like the rest". Have you considered holding off starting a fresh RfC until the outstanding ones are concluded? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I am waiting for most of these to be completed to start one or two at the Nicotine marketing talk page. You can read the sources. There are obvious problems with this. I could fix it but I don't want to be told to revert. You have a better idea to remove problematic content? WP:DR is for regular content disputes. QuackGuru (talk) 19:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
If a page is prone to back-and-forth editing which doesn't quite make it to WP:EW, ask for protection. Then, don't jump straight for RfC - hold a calm discussion on its talk page. When you get it down to a small number of potential outcomes, then try for RfC. But holding lots of RfCs at the same time is simply going to make people turn off. As I mentioned before, there are eight ongoing - and in the last six months, there have been a further fourteen that were started (mostly by yourself) and are no longer running. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I am not reverting anymore. That won't work. Wikipedia does not have a noticeboard for failed verification content for admins to enforce V policy. This is not minor inaccurate content. This is obvious failed verification content. If I start a RfC it would be replaced with better content. I have lots of diffs like this. If this went to one of the drama boards things would resolve much quicker and there may not be any need for anymore RfCs. That's because an admin may show them the door. These articles are under DS. Editors being on there best behavior is not an option. QuackGuru (talk) 23:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  Moved to Talk:Nicotine marketing § Archiving: --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Happy Birthday JPEdit

Hello R. Today is the 100th anniversary of Jon Pertwee's birth! Here is a nice interview with Sean. Being the child of any of the actors playing the Dr would be amazing. With Jon's love of gadgets Sean's youth must have been a real treat. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 17:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Rename Village PumpEdit

I was too late to register my view which would have been strong oppose but I gotta admit the redirect would have been almost worth it (WP:HOW) :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sphilbrick (talkcontribs) 19:22, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Geonotice for Wikimedia UK AGMEdit

Hi, do you think you could do a Geonotice for our AGM this coming saturday? Please see the page on Meta here. Thanks! -- (talk) 11:00, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Very short notice. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:03, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  Done. Let me know how many people actually show. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:17, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Edit to Hinckley railway stationEdit

Hi, can you tell me why you've removed my edits to the Hinckley Railway Station page?

It is quite common for station pages to include information about adoption groups and the links I added are relevant to the station and the Friends of Hinckley Station group which has adopted it.


Mike George OurMikeGeorge (talk) 06:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, can you tell me what was wrong with my edit on this page please? You have removed it as link spam, but it is quite common for railway station pages to refer to adoption groups, and the two links I added are relevant to the station and the Friends of Hinckley Station group.


Mike George OurMikeGeorge (talk) 10:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry this is a duplicated topic, I didn't see the first one appear. OurMikeGeorge (talk) 10:02, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

See WP:ELNO, WP:NOTPROMOTION and WP:SPAM. Also WP:OTHERCONTENT. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:39, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt response. I can see how the links I added can be regarded as spam, although that was not my intention, but the paragraph about the station adoption group is an objective statement of fact which adds relevant information to the entry. Could this be reinstated please? OurMikeGeorge (talk) 04:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Please find some independent sources, per WP:IS and WP:NPOV. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Would these be suitable? OurMikeGeorge (talk) 06:37, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

These are better. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Amendment to article, without giving a citation.Edit

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you for your friendly help with fixing RFC, it was very nice!--Nicoljaus (talk) 07:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC)


Sorry about my brainfart. Thanks for linking the thread not the diff NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:49, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

I should probably have mentioned WP:TPO#Fixing links. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:57, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Challacombe scale has been nominated for Did You KnowEdit

 Hello, Redrose64. Challacombe scale, an article you either created or to which you significantly contributed,has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know . You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. EnterpriseyBot (talk!) 10:09, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Today's exercise for the reader: find my contribution (significant or otherwise) to the above article, or its DYK nom. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Whispyhistory named you as the co-author on the original DYK nomination, which is presumably where the bot picked your name up—I assume she cut-and-pasted the formatting from a DYK at some point on which the pair of you did collaborate, and forgot to remove the name. ‑ Iridescent 16:48, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I know that I'm named there - it's why I posted this. I do actually know why I'm named, but others may be puzzled, hence why I said "exercise for the reader". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Duly exercised :) ——SerialNumber54129 16:56, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Nope. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:59, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Please tell me that's not your tongue… ‑ Iridescent 17:08, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
With the amount of real ale that RedRose drinks, I would be very surprised if it was. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
It's not --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for lessons in colouring in Redrose64. The scale would not look the same without your help. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:49, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Now we're closer! --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
The answer to my poser of 16:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC) is: see #Challacombe scale above. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 06:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

RFC on Talk:Immigration and crime in GermanyEdit

I don't normally do these, and I don't really understand what I did wrong here, unless it was because I didn't include the statement and the template in the same edit. I hope it's correct now. Deb (talk) 08:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Deb: They don't need to be done in the same edit, provided that both are in place before Legobot (talk · contribs) next visits the page (one minute past each hour). The critical ordering is not chronology of the edits - it's their relative physical positions, as described at WP:RFCST. Legobot looks for the the {{rfc}} tag, and then looks for the next valid timestamp after that point. Everything in between is taken as the RfC statement, and is copied to the RfC listing - this is the effect of your first attempt (aside from the section heading, it's clearly wrong because asking for a police report is not an RfC matter), this is the effect of your second. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:14, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks.Deb (talk) 13:48, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Bletchley- Bicester and Aylesbury railway linesEdit

You have reverted my amendments in regard to restoring passenger services along this line through Marsh Gibbon, Claydon, Launton, Waddesdon and others. Please note the railway line through these stations is planned to reopen around 2025 with the passenger service not serving these stations. I agree that the only station between Bletchley and Bicester planned to reopen is Winslow. Please reconsider my alterations. Steamybrian2 (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

The reference that you provided does not mention any of these stations. Moreover, it is merely the front page of a website, something that is prone to frequent change. If you wish to use something from that website as a reference, please locate one of its subpages which explicitly supports the content that you are adding, and which is unlikely to change. Consider this edit: you are altering the year to 2023, but are citing which not only does not mention 2023 at all, it is the front page; yet just seven words later we have the ref which is a far more detailed source. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion on Welsh place namesEdit

I am wondering if you would be interested in contributing to a move discussion in the River Dovey article (Talk:River Dovey#Requested move 28 July 2019). There appears to be some confusion over whether to use the prefix 'Afon' or 'River' in articles about rivers in Wales although the mainstream media tends to use 'River' suggesting it is more familiar to English-speakers. As you pointed out in Talk:Penhelig railway station this is the English Wikipedia but I am up against User:Railfan23 who, in a previous discussion on Talk:Afon Twymyn, claimed that the discussion was about the Welsh language not some dialect of English, who dismissed Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English as a red herring and is adamant that Aberdyfi is the sole official name for the village of that name despite the continued use of the anglicised Aberdovey by the railways and Ordnance Survey, who due to my recent scuffles with I do not feel entirely confident in dealing with on my own. Tk420 (talk) 12:05, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Redrose64. I'm afraid that TK420 badly misrepresents my contributions to previous discussions. Despite a request, TK420 has not withdrawn the offending comments. So let me state:
Tk420 is not "up against User:Railfan23". I have started a discussion, and TK420's battlefield mentality is problematic. I never "claimed that the discussion was about the Welsh language not some dialect of English". I have not in any way "dismissed Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English as a red herring". And saying I am "adamant that Aberdyfi is the sole official name for the village of that name" is a straightforward lie.
I am sure that you will see beyond this blatant attempt to bias the discussion, and very much welcome your thoughts at Talk:River Dovey, if you are interested in joining in. Best, Railfan23 (talk) 15:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

What classEdit

Two car DMU, comprising E56065 and E50213, in use in Darlington area in 1977, but what class is it? Mjroots (talk) 14:22, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Class 101 - built 1957 on Lot nos. 30262 and 30261 respectively, by Metropolitan Cammell (with B.U.T.(AEC) engines) to Diagrams 630 and 523 respectively. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
50213 was withdrawn March 1977 (I don't think it's a coincidence) and cut up January 1982. 56065 remained in service, was renumbered 54065 circa 1984/85, and eventually withdrawn December 1992. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:34, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Challacombe scaleEdit

 On 4 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Challacombe scale, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Challacombe scale assesses the severity of a dry mouth (illustration shown)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Challacombe scale. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Challacombe scale), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

A beer for you!Edit

  I observe a COD score of 3, in the pale pink section. Thankyou for adding colour to life. Please hydrate yourself. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
  Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:18, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Waterloo to Reading Line‎Edit

Ignoring {{UK road}} for the time being, should all the level crossings just be stripped out, or are they significant? Useddenim (talk) 02:08, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Some of them - such as the one at Wokingham - are given sourced writeups in articles, those can probably stay. Others with no mention anywhere else - such as the ones between Barnes and Mortlake - should go. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
The large number, though, is notable as an obstacle to increasing train frequency on this line. Bazza (talk) 08:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
So, my takeaway is that for this diagram the LCs should stay, but there should be mention in the article as Bazza 7 alluded to. Useddenim (talk) 15:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)


Are you sure that you meant _City of Truro_ here? :-) Pinkbeast (talk) 15:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

  Thank you You're right, of course, I just copied a previous reply from Talk:GWR 3700 Class 3440 City of Truro. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:29, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Portway Parkway railway stationEdit

The Wikipedia article on this proposed station carries the name of Portway Parkway railway station, but current industry sources always now refer to it as Portway Park and Ride railway station with a provisional opening in 2021.

Could the title of the article and all referred-to names within the article be changed to read PORTWAY PARK AND RIDE RAILWAY STATION?

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 06:16, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

No, we don't use all-capitals. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
My apologies, I must have hit the "caps" button in error, so I will re-phrase. Can the name of the article be changed to read Portway Park and Ride railway station.
Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 06:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Network Rail call it either "Portway Station" or "Portway Parkway", and they're ultimately going to be the ones to name the thing. The reason you see so many mentions of "Portway Park & Ride" is that the station is being built on the site of the existing P&R car park of that name, but I'd think the likelihood of that actually being its name when it opens is zero—it would go totally against every UK transport naming convention. I strongly suspect that the "Parkway" will be quietly dropped when it eventually opens because there's no other "Portway station" against which it's necessary to disambiguate. ‑ Iridescent 06:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
There's no other Didcot either, but that doesn't stop them. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Didcot is an anomaly as it deviates from the usual convention of "parkway" and "road" as code for "miles away from the place the station is named for but with a direct service to there". When it was renamed it should probably have been "Oxford Parkway" but the locals would have screamed blue murder. ‑ Iridescent 14:26, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
At that time there were proposals for a station on the Oxford Ring Road, which could have picked up a "Parkway" tag: one suggested location being near Redbridge Park & Ride, approximately on the site of the former Abingdon Road Halt railway station. Of course, thirty years later we got Oxford Parkway railway station almost diametrically opposite. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

East Coast Main Line diagramEdit

This line template needs to be looked at urgently as it is in urgent need of tidying up with many of the lines branching off not being correctly entered in terms of line breaks

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 09:02, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

You don't provide any links; presumably you mean East Coast Main Line diagram. If this is indeed the case, I fail to understand why you asking me - I didn't create the page, and have few significant edits. If there is a problem with a page, the first place to post is its talk page, i.e. Talk:East Coast Main Line diagram. If there is no response there, drop a pointer note at WT:UKRAIL in accordance with WP:MULTI. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:07, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
You say I have not provided any links, yet the wording at the head of this request East Coast Main Line diagram (note that I have now used the pair of double square brackets around the title name that you did above) is self explanatory as that is exactly what the line diagram on Wikipedia is headed. I did put this request to you as you are regarded by many as a person who is very well regarded by many on Wikipedia. It is just not this particular item that has been affected, as the Template : Edinburgh and Dalkeith Railway is also affected together with a number of those covering English railways. All these appear to have been correct in layout prior to 2019 and I wonder if any new Wikipedia procedure has occurred to cause "jumbled" line diagrams? Please bear with me, as not only am I 74 years of age, but I still suffer from post-stroke relapses and my clarity of thought is no longer that of a young and active 25 year old person with far better computer understanding than I possess.
Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 06:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
As I said above (and as advised at Help:Talk pages), the place to discuss improvements to an article is at the talk page of the article, not of a user who is only one of several to have amended that article. I notice that you did not make any edits to the article talk page until today. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:53, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I really was most grateful for your guidance and not only have I have I have now made an entry on the relevant talk page, but also have made a similar entry on the talk page of the Edinburgh and Dalkeith Railway, as that line diagram has exactly the same problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xenophon Philosopher (talkcontribs) 16:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Black 5 & LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0Edit

I note your reverts of my edits to various railway line articles which were pointing at Black 5 which now points to LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 but didn't when I made the edits - so perhaps the edit summary of WP:NOTBROKEN was inappropriate?— Rod talk 13:42, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Rodw: The article LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 was moved to LMS Stanier Class 5 by Railfan23 (talk · contribs) at 05:03, 13 August 2019 without discussion; and at 05:16, 13 August 2019 Tony May (talk · contribs) moved it back. Unfortunately, in the intervening thirteen minutes a number of redirects were "fixed" by bots as double redirects. If Tony May had left things alone after their move back, the bots would have come by and undone themselves, and all would have been well. Unfortunately, Tony May's next action (at 05:20, 13 August 2019) was to convert the redirect LMS Stanier Class 5 to a dab page, thus the bots didn't see any double redirects, and left the redirects alone. The correct action by Tony May after reverting the improper page move would have been to undo the bot edits before converting the redirect to a dab page. Indeed, after they performed the move they would have been shown this message, where the last two bullets are particularly relevant. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

When you have a momentEdit

Hello R. Three items have crept into our old friend Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. I left the module and Tyrol workshop items for more than a week in the hopes that whatever transcluded page protection was affecting them might simply expire but no such luck. The page had one protection template removed by a bot. I went through it looking for another one but came up empty. As ever thanks for your time. MarnetteD|Talk 17:16, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

There you go. The one was actually on the next line down, but it is supposed to be there - as is the one that the bot removed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Wonderful. Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 18:43, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Blank lines and accessibilityEdit

No objections to your change, but could you explain or point me to something that clarifies the connection between blank lines and accessibility? (text to speech issues?)Finney1234 (talk) 18:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) See MOS:INDENTGAP. Basically, you can't have a blank line unless you're genuinely starting a new section; if you really want to leave a blank line in the edit window for ease of editing, do it as I've done with this edit and indent the gap to the same level as the following text. ‑ Iridescent 18:43, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@Finney1234: I already did, it's the second link in the edit summary of my edit. Third if you count the section name (in grey) as the first link. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Can you help my fading memory?Edit

Hello R. We have an editor who is capitalising T's in Dr Who articles. I thought there was a discussion in the (distant) past about this and that it was determined not to do that. If there was one I wouldn't know where to find it. I also couldn't find any mention of it in the Dr Who MOS. Do you remember anything about this? If so we should probably make this editor aware of this. If not no worries. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 01:04, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Probably best to send this one to WT:WHO. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
I might have been thinking of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite or indefinite article at beginning of name) R. On a completely different note can you discover why this redirect has wound up in the incorrect protection templates category. Neither it nor {{SfnRef}} have been edited recently. Both are fully protected so I can't check on any transclusions. Thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 16:58, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
The redir is template-protected, but the template in use was that for semi-prot. Fixed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:00, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for yet another fix. MarnetteD|Talk 17:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

LDR on AspinallEdit

When I was editing it there was a factual mistake about him becoming locomotive superintendent of the L&YR in 1883 which could not be correct so I needed to grab a book and do a fairly complex edit. I did not want the refs in the middle of the text while I was doing it or else I would likely have gone blind. I had some intention to move them back afterwards but I didn't want to lose what I had dome. Ideally would have under constructioned it. Thankyou for spotting the s-end .... Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


Good day R. Over 100 user dashboards are now in the Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. I have been unable to track down what might need a "noinclude" - of course it might be something else causing this so if you could work your magic to discover what the problem is that would be most appreciated. If they just need a null edit let me know and I will help with that. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 16:37, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Both of these: {{Admin dashboard/aiv}} {{Admin dashboard/uaarfpp}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:46, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
OK, they were due to this edit and this one, both by Wyatt2049 (talk · contribs) who has been slapping pp templates on pages that have managed perfectly well without them for years, and in so doing has completely ignored the comments that either say not to, or that they must be inside the <noinclude>...</noinclude> part. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:05, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for tracking these down. MarnetteD|Talk 23:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay. So I have been going around looking for untagged protected pages. When I did find them, I would not go into source edit. Rather, I would use Twinkle to apply the tag at the top. So when I did that, the Warning was not there. I apologize for what I may have caused, and I hope that I can do better looking at the tags in the future. With regards...Wyatt2049 | (talk) 23:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
And P.S., will I recive a block?--Wyatt2049 | (talk) 23:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
While your enthusiasm is understandable Wyatt2049 the placing of protection templates is a tricky thing and it would be better to leave it to admins - at least for the time being. A block would only be necessary if this were an ongoing problem but I think your post here shows that you are receptive to advice from other editors. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 23:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  Thank you MarnetteD! I am taking your advice. I just wanted to help out, and I do hope to become an Administrator one day, and I just wanted a feel for what it may be like whilst helping Wikipedia!--Wyatt2049 | (talk) 23:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

August 2019Edit

  You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Liverpool Street station; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. --Rebroad (talk) 14:05, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@Rebroad: You've got a nerve to template me in that manner. To my WP:TPSs: look at the history of the page concerned; how many edits have I made in the last couple of weeks, and how many has Rebroad made in the same period? Seriously, Rebroad: if you want punitive action to be taken on this matter, send it to WP:ANI. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:42, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Great Eastern articleEdit

Dear Redrose64, I am brand new to Wikipedia communications, so beg your patience please. I'm an American author (Redacted) researching a book that will be partly about Isambard Kingdom Brunel and the Great Eastern. In reading the Wikipedia article, I was struck especially by the specificity of some of the descriptions ("the ship was finally launched sideways at 1:42pm on 31 January 1858, aided by an unusually high tide and strong winds"). I'm anxious to contact the person responsible for that kind of reporting to hopefully learn more about the sources, both primary and secondary. Thank you so much for any help you might offer. I confess to being somewhat overwhelmed by the complexity of the Wiki system!

My email is (Redacted)

Jim Tabor (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesmtabor (talkcontribs) 20:10, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@Jamesmtabor: We don't post personal contact information about anybody on Wikipedia. If you wish to know the Wikipedia login name of the person who added that content, it's in the article history. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:53, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


Not complaining, just want to let you know that, according to the OED, banisters and bannisters are both correct. Regards Denisarona (talk) 11:53, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps; but mainline is definitely wrong. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

True crime may not be your forteEdit

But can you do me an assistance and give Murder of Rachael Runyan a proof-read/grammar check, please? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 09:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

@Paul Benjamin Austin: I'm not one for copyediting, you should really file a request at WP:GOCE/REQ. The only true crime that I've written about is the last paragraph here, dealing with the murder of Vikki Thompson. Other people have since copyedited what I wrote there. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


You might have more luck communicating on the user's talk page rather than the edit summary. I see it because I watch the page but the user you're attempting to help improve might not (apologies if you've already left them a note and I missed it when I did a quick scan of that user's talk page). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

I did it as an undo, which sends them a notification. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:59, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Class maskEdit

Just spotted this edit from 2016: [1] Is that necessary (or still necessary)? A banner appears to work just fine without specifying the lower case parameter for SIA. PC78 (talk) 22:37, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

It was necessary at the time, but this edit made it one of the predefined options. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
That's just a category check, why would that make a difference? AFAICT that template won't check for categories of custom classes. PC78 (talk) 23:39, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for two line template information details to be copied over from the main article body and new separate line templates shown on the master Wikipedia section where these are shownEdit

The two lines that I have in mind for consideration are:-

Newtown and Machynlleth Railway........Suggested to be shown in the Category : Templates for railway lines of the United Kingdom Templates for railway lines of Wales section.

Exe Valley Railway.....................Suggested to be shown in the Category : Templates for railway lines of the United Kingdom Templates for railway lines of England section.

I welcome your views on such a request.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 06:37, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

First, I don't know what either 'the Wikipedia "Wales line templates" section' or 'the Wikipedia "England line templates" section' might refer to. Second, this is not a question for my talk page (or that of any other user), it should really be on the talk page of the article concerned; or if it is a general question relating to several articles, a better place would be WT:UKRAIL. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:11, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
In answer to your query, I am somewhat surprised to hear that as one of the most knowledgeable of railway editors that you seem unaware of the Wikipedia section that is headed Category : Templates for railway lines of the United Kingdom in which are contained the two sections that I made reference to. Howsoever, at the age of 74, I will make entries upon the talk pages referred to by you. My most earnest hope now is that one day I will ask guidance from you and will be given a straight and unambiguous answer without the usually now expected admonishment.
Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 08:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Category:Templates for railway lines of the United Kingdom isn't a section, it is a category.
I can only give a straight and unambiguous answer if you give a straight and unambiguous question. Many times you have posted here, and failed to supply a link to the relevant page - but when you do provide a link, more often than not it is a red link - that is, a link to a page that simply does not exist. This does not help me one bit. Despite this edit, there are still two red links in your post above.
Wikipedia provides a number of help services; you will find that this page is not among them. I simply do not have the time or the patience to handle questions from somebody who has been editing Wikipedia for over six years yet still cannot carry out a simple task like making a link that works. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:05, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Your points above are noted, but you know from what I have said in past years that the stroke that I suffered at the age of 67 in July 2012 left me at times to really struggle with what seems straightforward computer tasks like the one you mention at the end of your last response, which then causes me to seek advice from a highly respected Wikipedia personage such as your good self. I think the wording used in your final comments above is very hurtful and betrays a lack of empathy.
Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 22:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
You were given a heap of help information soon after you started, and it's still on your user talk page, at User talk:Xenophon Philosopher#Welcome!. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:38, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

WMSR TE applicationEdit

Hey Redrose64, I wanted to ask for any comments you might have at this application for the template editor permission submitted by WMSR as it seems you have worked on similar templates. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 05:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

@L235: I saw this in my notifications a few days ago. I'm still unsure of what to put. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:33, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks   Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:35, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Question about creating an articleEdit

I am trying to creat a page for my sister she is anprofessio al wrestler and i am her manager. It is our family business am i on the wrong wikipedia here?

Hi I am my sisters manager and do her PR it is our family business am i on the wrong wikipedia here? Lexygbh82 (talk) 18:13, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Lexygbh82: You have already been advised by PohranicniStraze (talk · contribs) that Wikipedia talk:Project namespace is the wrong place for such questions. This page is also the wrong place and I see nothing in PohranicniStraze's reply that suggested that you should ask here. In the left-hand margin, under "Interaction", there is a link named "Help". Have you tried that?
To paraphrase what PohranicniStraze said: we have a dedicated place to request new articles, and you really should not attempt to make a page for a close family member yourself; please see the conflict of interest guidelines. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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