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QuestionEdit

A user I have never interacted with has put that they hate me on their user page. I thought maybe it was a joke involving the USERNAME template but I checked the source and it is attacking me personally. What puzzles me further is that upon further investigation saying that was their third edit on Wikipedia. I have never interacted with this user and I do not know why they would say such a thing. I have a feeling this might be a sock of someone like WarpedMask4801/DarwinandBrianEdits but I do not know and do not have enough information to go to the sock report page. I also don’t know if this is enough to take to ANI. And based on their pure hatred of me out of nowhere I also don’t think asking them about it on their talk page or removing the message would lead anywhere. I’m honestly not sure where to take this and was wondering if you could look into it or point me to the proper place to report it. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 17:17, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

CAMERAwMUSTACHE, I haven't taken a long look but I suspect this is someones sock. If you are not sure who is it (and as there is personal attacks) you can always take it to ANI. I would deal with it myself, but I'm a little busy for a while. If its not dealt with later on tonight I'll probably dealt with them. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 19:05, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. I shall take it to ANI. I just wasn't sure if this warranted their attention, so thank you for clarifying that. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 19:24, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
CAMERAwMUSTACHE, yeah the userpage alone would be enough for me to bring to a noticeboard or raise it on their tak page. Although not a personal attack which I would block for, it's not needed and the mention of it suggests it is someone's sock. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 19:36, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Yeah this user has gotten more disruptive and I didn't realize it until after I posted it to ANI but he was already reported to ANI for unrelated issues before I even went onto there. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 19:39, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
And looks like they've been blocked. They removed the part themselves, so I think this is all dealt with. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 19:40, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Bio taggingEdit

I see on my watchlist that your bot had tagged Al Franken, Rachel Maddie, and Magic Johnson as musicians. Why? – Muboshgu (talk) 15:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Looking a little further, I think it's because they've won Grammy Awards. Not all Grammy winners are musicians. Please fix your bot task. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:28, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
The contributions also had Jack Nicholson, Edward R. Murrow, Cynthia Nixon, and Bob Newhart. I've blocked the bot, as I don't know many of the individuals on the recent contribution list with "actor" and "director" disambiguators and do not want to review them all. Please let me know when this is straightened out and I'll unblock. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:56, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Muboshgu, the list of categories the bot uses to decide if someone is a musician is at User:Dreamy_Jazz_Bot/Task_4.3/musician_categories. They are all subcats of Category:Musicians though I agree that not all Grammy Award winners are necessarily musicians they are awards to "recognize achievement in the music industry". I've removed the grammy award's category and will momentarily revert the incorrect edits.
Also the bot hadn't edited in 4 hours before you blocked (the laptop running it had it's power cable pulled out accidentially so ran out of battery), so although I don't question the reasoning for the block I would say that such a block wasn't needed if the bot wasn't editing. Also, I would have appreciated if you had used the bots shutoff pages which are listed at the top of it's userpage and in the task table. For this task this is User:Dreamy Jazz Bot/shutoff/Task 4.3 or User:Dreamy Jazz Bot/shutoff (the all tasks one). Placing any content there stops the task from making any more edits and is less major than directly blocking, but as you blocked there is no need for content in them now. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 16:50, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Muboshgu, the bot is fixed. If you would kindly unblock it. I've removed all categories which make someone a musician which are winner's or participant's categories. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 17:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I did not know about shutoff pages, so I'll keep that in mind for the future. I only just learned with this incident that the big red shutoff button on bot pages is blocking the bot. I'll unblock the bot now. Can it also be programmed to remove the musician tag from the non-musician Grammy winners? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Muboshgu, I'm doing the removal semi-automatically with AWB search and replace rules to revert the bot's 350 last edits (which are where the wrong categorization has been based on my inspection) using my account. This should be done in the next 15 mins or so. Thanks for noticing this and the quick unblock after my fix. Happy editing and mopping, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 17:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm also going to add to the bot's edit summary the category which led it to believe a page was about a musician. This will make it easier for other editors to understand why the bot tagged someone. I'll do final checks, finish the reversion and add the extra summary part to the bot before restarting it. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 17:28, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
In case anyone is wondering, I've explain in further detail why the bot made the edits. The grammy award category is a subcategory of Category:Musicians and as I thought when filtering out the list that grammy awards were for musicians only, I didn't see an issue about using this category. However, as evidenced, this isn't always the case and as such music awards can be for non-musicians too (for example for record producers). To be on the safe side, I've removed any category from the list which is to do with awards. This includes ones which are musician categories (such as grammy award for best song) as music awards in general seem to be a grey area (i.e. possibly for both musicians and non-musicians). I also removed musical groups from the list as when the bot processed a bunch of those categories it only found 2 articles which were for groups but were about a person too, so processing these categories is less useful and there could be an argument to be made that a non-musician person who is related to the band could be in the category about the musical group. This should mean that the category list now only has categories which only contain musicians. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 18:32, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm going to start the bot again. The bot is based off categories, and as such mis-categorised articles may lead to incorrect tagging. As I'm now including what category made the bot tag a page in the edit summary for each bot edit, it should be clear as to which category caused the bot to edit (and as such which to remove). For example, if someone is categorised as a trumpeter but they are not a musician by trade this may be seen as an issue. However, the category should only be there if there are reliable sources to support it's inclusion and as such if the bot did tag a non-musician the category on the article also should be removed. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 19:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Biography tagging errorEdit

Hello. I just wanted to let you know that the bot task tagging for musicians is doing a weird error where it overrides part of the next WikiProject banner as you can see here, which I've manually fixed. Rfl0216 (talk) 15:29, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Rfl0216, yeah. That is a bit weird. I've not seen that error but I'll see what it might be caused by. Thanks and happy editing, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 19:43, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Incidentally the bot has finished running this task, so I'll make sure this error is fixed before running it again. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 19:47, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Stoney BurkeEdit

Not all street performers are musicians. Viriditas (talk) 21:56, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Viriditas, good point. I'll revert all bot edits which tagged street performers as musicians tomorrow. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 00:28, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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