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Joe MontanaEdit

Among the people who call Brady the greatest, some of them said that Montana was the greatest before Brady. Does that count? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mk8mlyb (talkcontribs) 04:38, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@Mk8mlyb: Similar to Brady's article, we should limit it to reliable sources that do general analysis like "widely considered the greatest", "considered by many to be the greatest", etc. Part of concern on Brady's talk page was that Wikipedia should not take individual peoples' opinions and then make a judgement whether that means "many" held that opinion. Leave it to sources to make that judgement. For another example for Montana, NESN wrote: "The San Francisco 49ers signal-caller was seen as the greatest quarterback in NFL history for more than two decades until Brady joined him in the GOAT debate after piloting the New England Patriots to eight Super Bowl appearances and five titles during the first 18 years of his career." To me, there's no debate that the majority POV was that he was considered the greatest at least until Brady. The interesting thing is writing where he stands today. I think it's fair to say he's still in the argument for GOAT, and those sources I believe can be found. The question is do we write that "some consider him the greatest", or "many consider him the greatest"? Will need to see what the sources say.—Bagumba (talk) 09:29, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
@Bagumba: Also, remember that the statements "Brady is the GOAT, no doubt about it" and "Montana is still in the argument for GOAT" both state contradictory opinions. Either one of them is the undisputed GOAT (not possible) or both of them are equally in the argument for GOAT, which is the status quo. So yeah, that NESN source would be great to use. Mk8mlyb (talk) 22:29, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Range block?Edit

Any chance of a range block for "37.230". See here, here and here. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

37:230* would be too broad. I instead blocked 3 smaller ranges for each respective IP for 3 months each. Seems this user bas been spamming for a long time, but let's start with this and see what happens.—Bagumba (talk) 09:07, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

  Technical news



  • Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
  • As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.

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In need of a time-outEdit

This guy. Rikster2 (talk) 22:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Blocked and protected.—Bagumba (talk) 01:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Protect Russell Turner (basketball)Edit

Lots of IP vandalism today. Rikster2 (talk) 23:49, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

done—Bagumba (talk) 01:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Block evasion?Edit

This IP is possibly our old Suns friend. Check user? DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:07, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

@DaHuzyBru: Since 2600:8800:980:23f0::/64 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) was already checkuser blocked by Bbb23, perhaps you can request them to check this (talk · contribs · WHOIS) as well based on the Phoenix Sun interest overlap. Generally, IPs can't be CU linked to a registered account (Wikipedia:CheckUser#IP_information_disclosure).—Bagumba (talk) 04:34, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
There are a few ways to handle this. First, Bagumba, you can block this - or any other IP - if you're persuaded that it's AGPSF. Second, DaHuzyBru, you can file a report at SPI, with the understanding that reports about IPs at SPI often languish until the IP edits are too old to take any action. For example, I wouldn't block this IP because it hasn't edited since April 9. The disruption normally needs to be current and ostensibly ongoing.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:08, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bbb23: For now, I'm AGFing that it's an IP based in Phoenix that happens to also be interested in the Phooenix Suns. I'd need more behavioral evidence than just common pages to call this a WP:DUCK. If a CU were filed and there was a match, would the results be published even if the CU checker did not block?—Bagumba (talk) 14:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
As you previously stated, we cannot disclose the IP(s) of named accounts. If a report is filed at SPI in the future, a CU should not be requested; if it is, it will be declined. The report would be decided on behavioral evidence.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bbb23: I was suggesting that this current IP ( be CUed against the previously blocked IP range (2600:8800:980:23f0::/64), not a named account. I was not making any claims about any named accounts. Is that possible?—Bagumba (talk) 14:57, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Ah. Seems like an end run around policy.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Tony AllenEdit

The Grindfather is Tony Allen's nickname. It's cited in the main body of his page. Please explain to me how my edit is less than neutral. Otherwise, add a nickname to his profile section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC) m

Hi, thanks for discussing this. It's ok to mention a prominent nickname. However when referring to people, like in the image caption, Wikipedia generally uses their last name.—Bagumba (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Players on 2-way contractsEdit

Unlike G League assignments, these players are still technically on the G League team rosters until their deals are up. Two-way deals can be for 2 years. Jonathan Motley is an example of someone who signed a 2 year two-way deal with the Mavs. Upshot is we shouldn’t “close” the G League tenures of these players until their deals are up. Rikster2 (talk) 20:56, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the background.—Bagumba (talk) 00:16, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

WP:Verifiability - does a website that requires log in meets the verifiability criteriaEdit

Hello Bagumba,

I've just posted a question on the HelpDesk that I believe you are qualified to answer. Do you care to take a look at it?

Best regards, Coel Jo (talk) 22:13, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I've responded there.—Bagumba (talk) 22:46, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks :) --Coel Jo (talk) 23:21, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
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