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Indic ScriptsEdit

Hello. I believe there are several reasons for this policy; the easiest way to find them is to go to the WP:INDICSCRIPT page, and read the linked RfC, which it was derived from. I do not personally have a position on this; I was merely enforcing the policy. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:31, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hullo, I read the different arguments for and against Indic Scripts and I can't see on what basis they reached a consensus, actually the discussion was closed without any true solution to the impeding problem

I'm new to Wikipedia as an editor, so isn't there a way to re-open this issue and settle it? I've been on the wikipedia page of Ada Yonath, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry and guess what? The name is also in Hebrew, normal as she is Israeli but her ancestors came from Poland, so her native language was more probably Polish or even Yiddish than Hebrew

Still, the reason why Hebrew was chosen is simple, she was in a country where Hebrew is the official language but Arabic is an official language of Israel too, still, they picked Hebrew because she is Jewish and not from a Muslim Background

So for all Indian born individuals, the name should be in Hindi and Devanagari script as the Indian Constitution recognises it and English as the two official languages, and in addition say for someone like Modi, as he is culturally Gujarati, it is befitting to have his name in that language too- Manish2542

What do you say about that?

I can't understand this plain discrimination against Indic script when the same isn't done for others, King Abdullah II of Jordan has his name in arabic too, so why these double standards?

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December 2014Edit

  Hello, I'm NFD9001. I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions —the one you made with this edit to Mauritian Solidarity Front— because it didn’t appear constructive to me. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. nfd9001 (talk) 21:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC)


And may I know why you undid the edit?

The one who wrote the article is clearly biased, at one point he even calls the person "brother" Cehl, either you delete the entire article or you re write it according to wikipedia standards

such type of nonsense is not acceptable here

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Is that a joke? And who are you in any case to threaten others?

I didn't vandalise wikipedia, I updated the GDP per capita figure of the country, don't you even know how to read???

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita&diff=next&oldid=653760814 --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 07:01, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Well truth finally triumphs, some one else did the exact edit I made weeks ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

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Enoch Powell is most notable for his 'rivers of blood' speech, which was widely condemned as racist and for which he was fired from government. Sqrl mnky (talk) 09:12, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree context is important, the context of my edit is on a 100 greatest Britons entry, where Enoch Powell is listed simply as 'politician'. His most notable action as a politician was his 'rivers of blood' speech, which was considered unacceptable by the government of the day; 'Enoch Powell' is British cultural shorthand for 'racist' so it's disingenuous to list him as a politician when his inclusion on the list has far more to do with his status as a poster-boy for the right then his achievements in government.

I agree that there's more to him than that, but in context of the entry, simply listing him as 'politician' is misleading by omission. Sqrl mnky (talk) 07:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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SrideviEdit

No, it's completely standard. If you look at Billy Graham, that was originally proposed as an RD [1] and was only changed to a blurb when there was significant support for one. The same will happen to this one if there is similar significant support. Black Kite (talk) 10:58, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Also, I don't oppose her being there for RD when her article is sufficiently sourced - I'll certainly support then. You'd probably be better off fixing that problem because it isn't going to be posted to RD or ITN with unsourced sections in it. Black Kite (talk) 11:08, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
  • And if you remove other people's comments like this again, you'll be blocked. Stop it. Black Kite (talk) 11:10, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruption. If you want to argue for a full listing then do so at the existing nomination. Do not create another one. Stephen 11:06, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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You can't just block me for disagreeing with you. You are clearly abusing your admin powers by chosing who gets in the headlines or not

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@Yamla: No need to be paternalistic, I know very well why I was blocked. The admin who did so was also disagreeing with me on who gets to be in the headlines. He was being judge and party at the same time. You should review your rules. This shouldn't be possible. How can an admin block someone with whom he is disagreeing? It's up to someone else to do so, not himself. You may keep your contempt for yourself. Apparently only unknown american christian evangelists can make it to the headlines. Wikipedia the so-called "universal" encyclopaedia is actually made for US readers, should have said so before.

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Not an unblock request. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 02:01, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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Further disruption and personal attacksEdit

If I were you, I'd stop doing that right now, or else I suppose you shouldn't be surprised to find yourself indefinitely blocked from Wikipedia. Also, please remember to sign your posts, even those which contain personal attacks or blatant falsehoods, you can do that by typing four tildes. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:40, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: I always sign my posts, unless I've forgotten to do so. I've got nothing to hide. Don't worry, I made my point clear and stand by it. You don't have to bully me into keeping shut. I won't be reacting on that issue anymore, it's futile, I've understood wikipedian double standards the hard way. You can't blame me for being disgusted. Farewell.Manish2542 (talk) 20:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

You didn't sign many of your posts at ITNC. I'm not worried about what point you were trying to make, I was worried about the personal attacks, accusations of racism etc, that you unfairly levelled at various editors. I imagine it won't be long before you're blocked again, but please try not to deliberately personally attack people, see WP:NPA for more information. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

To make things clearEdit

The next time you come up with another accusation of bias or veiled racism like this I will block you. Apart from the fact you're wrong, you don't even have any reason to complain here - the article has been waiting to be posted to RD for nearly three days for the sake of references - and yes, we did need them, that's very straightforward. It's not bias in any shape or form. Now drop the matter, please. Black Kite (talk) 11:12, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Black Kite: She was given full state funeral by the insignificant Republic of India. This is solely for informing, no accusation, sire. Shanti. [1]

  • That's a great point - it's the sort of thing you should have doing in the first place, instead of accusing other people ... Black Kite (talk) 22:00, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Muhammad IqbalEdit

Two warnings without a template. First, stop the nationalist attacks. Not accurate for one and not helpful. If you continue, I will bring it up on ANI. Probably could go to AE, but that's a really big hammer. Second, stop edit-warring on this article. Your changes are questioned and reverted by multiple editors. Discuss on the article talk page. Edit-warring isn't just the WP:3RR line as you well know. Just stop. Ravensfire (talk) 19:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Okay, have it your way. I'll officially notify you about the ANI post once it's up. Ravensfire (talk) 19:17, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

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Removal of Content from articleEdit

Hi Manish

I refer to your repetitive removal of well referenced content on the article Mauritius. Please note that it is the policy of Wikipedia that its articles should be based on reliable sources. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it. While its seem that you have some disagreement, i noticed that you are repetitively removing all other well referenced contents without any explanation. Please note that all Wikipedia content—articles, categories, templates, and other types of pages—is edited collaboratively. No one, no matter how skilled, or how high-standing in the community, has the right to act as though they are the owner of a particular page (see WP:OWNERSHIP).

To come to the disaccords that you have expressed in your comments, i decided to give you some clarifications why they were reverted;

1. Reverted to the former introduction. The current one was too bloated. Wonder why the noted fact about Mauritius being the only HIndu majority country of Africa gets removed constantly. Hinduphobia I guess. ([2])

2. This is an introduction on Mauritius not on the Chagos dispute. Even countries with a richer History have a more modest introduction. The fact that it is the ONLY Hindu majority country in Africa is a NOTED fact. It is UNCOMMON explaining its mention here. ([3])

Please be more specific why you think the introduction should be completely removed, the actual one is based on references from the Permanent Court of Arbitration and the International Court of Justice. With regard to Hindu majority country of Africa, this is already mentioned in the demographics section and this is not a valid reason to remove the whole introduction. You could have easily just add the sentence to the intro instead of removing the whole introduction. With regard to Chagos, please note that Mauritius considered it as part of its territory, the Chagos is mentioned in the Constitution of Mauritius and the United Nations General Assembly just brought the UK to the ICJ to have an advisory opinion on this issue. It is therefore worthwhile to mention the Chagos in the intro.


3. These constant edits are removing important information and adding futile "hearsay". There's a "religion" subsection in all "demographics" section on Wikipedia for ALL countries. Stick to the format. ([4])

4. ALL countries have a subsection on religion in their demographics section. That's a general format. It used to have more than two sentences before edits were made. This article is getting dumbed down. Eg in the language section all the references to the Acts of Parliament on the Asian Languages have been removed. This is vandalism. ([5])

Please note that while there are religion sections in several articles, this is not the case for ALL articles as you mentioned. Even if all articles have this subsection, it does not necessarily mean that it should be the case here. It makes no sense to have a subsection for just two sentence while it is completely relevant to the demographics section which is already very short. Of course if this particular topic is developed later on, the demographics section can be divided into subsections. Moreover, i removed the table as it is outdated and completely distort the article. With regards to Asian languages, it was me who contributed this whole section together with the references, i don't see why i would remove it.


5. Language (Bhojpuri), Religion (Maha Shivaratree) even Politics (All Prime Ministers have been "biharis"). It's a commin feature with Fidji, Trinidad and Tobago, Suriname and Guyana) ([6])

6. Can you provide a reliable source for the claimed french origins of White Mauritians? It is claimed in the article that Bhojpuri used to be widely spoken but somehow it is not plain logic that most Indo-mauritians are of Bihari origins? Fine, you've got a reference now. ([7])

Please refer to what i have mentioned above, Wikipedia does not publish original research. While there is no need for reference for well known FACTS, saying that most Mauritian of Indian origin are Biharis and a minority of Tamils is very specific information, India is really vast, and Mauritians comes from different part of it. If you can get a reference from published research work or statistics from the Mahatma Gandhi Institute of Mauritius, then fine, it will not be considered as hearsay and remove by anyone. With regards to French origins of White Mauritians, since there are no reliable reference to sustain this claim and you are of the opinion that this is not the truth, of course you can remove it.

Please rest assure that the aim of this comment is not to be against your contributions to Wikipedia, indeed i am very happy that you are contributing to Mauritius related articles and encourage you to do so. Please do not hesitate to leave me a message to discuss any issues amicably, we are brothers after all :). Cheers Kingroyos (talk) 18:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


@Kingroyos:

I refer to your repetitive removal of well referenced content on the article Mauritius. Please note that it is the policy of Wikipedia that its articles should be based on reliable sources. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it. While its seem that you have some disagreement, i noticed that you are repetitively removing all other well referenced contents without any explanation. Please note that all Wikipedia content—articles, categories, templates, and other types of pages—is edited collaboratively. No one, no matter how skilled, or how high-standing in the community, has the right to act as though they are the owner of a particular page (see WP:OWNERSHIP).

I agree that articles should be based on reliable sources, never wrote the contrary.

May I know what well referenced contents have I removed without explanation? Whenever I edited, I gave explanations that might not have suited you. That's a whole different issue.

I never behaved as if I owned the page, do you?

You see my edits as repetitive removal of contents. I see yours as repetitive additions of futile contents or contents that shouldn't be where they are.

Please be more specific why you think the introduction should be completely removed, the actual one is based on references from the Permanent Court of Arbitration and the International Court of Justice. With regard to Hindu majority country of Africa, this is already mentioned in the demographics section and this is not a valid reason to remove the whole introduction. You could have easily just add the sentence to the intro instead of removing the whole introduction. With regard to Chagos, please note that Mauritius considered it as part of its territory, the Chagos is mentioned in the Constitution of Mauritius and the United Nations General Assembly just brought the UK to the ICJ to have an advisory opinion on this issue. It is therefore worthwhile to mention the Chagos in the intro.

I didn't remove the introduction. I reverted it back to its original state. One that was considered valid for years.

I trimmed it down because, as I already wrote, this is an article on the Republic of Mauritius not on the Chagos dispute.

Let's take two examples.

The introduction of the United Kingdom makes no mention of the Northern Ireland dispute despite the deaths and decades of war.

The introductions of India and Pakistan make no mention of Kashmir despite the deaths, decades of war and the fact that it is an ongoing issue.

I'm not advocating for the complete removal of the Chagos dispute but for not allocating undue space to it. The former introduction did that, the new one is bloated and poorly written.

I don't favour original research work, but I don't favour political advocacy either in which you are indulging by transforming this, relatively minor international and let's be honest - minor national issue, into a major issue in the introduction of Mauritius.

The fact that Mauritius is the ONLY Hindu majority country in Africa is a notable fact that the vast majority of readers don't know about. Isn't this what Wikipedia is all about? Giving important information to its users?

Yes, it's mentioned in the Demographics section, so are the economic data in the Economy section and the Chagos issue in the History and Geography sections. If your logic is to be followed then all these should be removed from the introduction too.

An introduction gives a brief and general description of a country. Redundancies are not only to be expected, they are absolutely normal.

Please note that while there are religion sections in several articles, this is not the case for ALL articles as you mentioned. Even if all articles have this subsection, it does not necessarily mean that it should be the case here. It makes no sense to have a subsection for just two sentence while it is completely relevant to the demographics section which is already very short. Of course if this particular topic is developed later on, the demographics section can be divided into subsections. Moreover, i removed the table as it is outdated and completely distort the article. With regards to Asian languages, it was me who contributed this whole section together with the references, i don't see why i would remove it.

I never said you removed it. Someone did and that was a great loss as those Acts of Parliament actually validated the languages that are actually taught in Mauritius. Someone added Odissi or even Swahili, languages never taught or spoken in Mauritius. By keeping those references for Hindi, Urdu, Tamil, Bhojpuri, Telegu, Marathi, Sanskrit and Chinese, at least we had the best sources one could hope for the definitive list of languages. Now nobody knows where the list comes from. Feel free to re-insert those references.

The demographics section again, used to be longer. The table is not outdated. It is a historical one showing the demographical evolution.

I still insist, and will continue to include the religion sub section as it is a common format for all articles on any countries on Wikipedia. Mauritius should be no different.

Please refer to what i have mentioned above, Wikipedia does not publish original research. While there is no need for reference for well known FACTS, saying that most Mauritian of Indian origin are Biharis and a minority of Tamils is very specific information, India is really vast, and Mauritians comes from different part of it. If you can get a reference from published research work or statistics from the Mahatma Gandhi Institute of Mauritius, then fine, it will not be considered as hearsay and remove by anyone. With regards to French origins of White Mauritians, since there are no reliable reference to sustain this claim and you are of the opinion that this is not the truth, of course you can remove it.

You should have read my comment till the end.

"Fine, you've got a reference now."

I furnished one.

As far as white Mauritians are concerned, that was sarcasm. We both know that they are mostly of French origins.

Please rest assure that the aim of this comment is not to be against your contributions to Wikipedia, indeed i am very happy that you are contributing to Mauritius related articles and encourage you to do so. Please do not hesitate to leave me a message to discuss any issues amicably, we are brothers after all :).

Kind of you.

I actually translated the whole English introduction into the French article so that the latter could be on par with the former. So yes, I do take this seriously.

To sum it up.

I'm not criticising the validity of the references related to Chagos but their place in the introduction when they should be down in the History and Geography sections. It can of course have a small mention like it did in the former introduction.

The information on Mauritius being the only Hindu majority country of Africa is relevant for the reasons I presented.

On the Bihari issue, I furnished the references.

Needless to say that I will be soon reverting the edits that you may have undone. Nothing personal, but like you, I take this seriously. Manish2542 (talk) 19:35, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Dear Friend
Please do not remove the contents again. My aim is to make the article a better representation of Mauritius and to reach to the status of good article. Most of the contents have been contributed by me and there is still a lot to do. As you may know, its really time consuming to make these contributions, unfortunately i don't have enough time to contribute like before. I am therefore humbly requesting you to works together to make it one of the best. Cheers Kingroyos (talk) 04:16, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

@Kingroyos:

Dear friend,

If you wish to have a quality article, don't you think you should spend more time removing incorrect information? Like removing "Ratha-Yatra" as a public Holiday?

I've done the necessary. Mention not.

You seem more interested in adding futile information rather than fact-checking the article.

Some value quantity, other quality.

To each his own. Manish2542 (talk) 16:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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MauritiusEdit

Hello,

"Tamil is the native language of barely 0.06% of all Mauritians". As per 2011 census, Tamil Hindus and Christians constitute about 72,059. Tamils are the earliest settlers in Mauritius. That's why it is present on the Mauritian currency, above the Devanagari script. M.K.Dan (talk) 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Your point is Tamil is not a native language of Mauritius and people learn it as the third language. But it is the native Tamil who learns it as a third language. Tamils are the first Indian settlers in Mauritius and that's why it's used in the currency. M.K.Dan (talk) 00:11, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

Don't remove cited information. If there is no section for biharis, the telegus and marathis, the franco-mauritians, the chinese and the creoles, then you can create it. You can't remove the section meant for Tamils. Also, as per 2011 census, there is no religion in the name of Biharis, Marathis. The 'Tamil and Tamil Hindu' is the fourth-largest religious group.--M.K.Dan (talk) 18:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

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AfroCine: Join the Months of African Cinema this October!Edit

Greetings!

After a successful first iteration of the “Months of African Cinema” last year, we are happy to announce that it will be happening again this year, starting from October 1! In the 2018 edition of the contest, about 600 Wikipedia articles were created in at least 8 languages. There were also contributions to Wikidata and Wikimedia commons, which brought the total number of wikimedia pages created during the contest to over 1,000.

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