Administrators' newsletter – March 2020Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
  • A request for comment confirmed that sandboxes of established but inactive editors may not be blanked due solely to inactivity.

  Technical news

  • Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.

  Miscellaneous



Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Flag of Earth - Thank youEdit

Thank you for protecting the page. It seems this dispute has gone back to 2015. Would you, or another admin, be willing to remove it in accordance with the consensus reached at Talk:Flag of Earth#International Flag of Planet Earth? I’d like to note I didn’t participate in that debate at all, so I feel appropriate to make this request. I’d also like to note that the IP’s addition is entirely unsourced as well, which is a second concern. Garuda28 (talk) 18:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the note. I was looking at the talk page discussion, and I'm not sure I see a clear consensus there. I see seven people who commented on the discussion, spread over several years, with a 3-4 split in the consensus. I wouldn't count that as consensus either way. I think what would make this "stick" more, if your intention is to do that, would be to have a more rigorous discussion over the inclusion/not of the flag using something like WP:RFC and to notify relevant Wikiprojects of the discussion (is there a vexillology one?) to generate some discussion around the issue. I'm sensitive to your point, but I really can't interpret the scant discussion so far as representing "consensus". --Jayron32 19:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Of course! I’ll probably do that sometime in the next few days. Garuda28 (talk) 23:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

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Peppermint (drag queen)Edit

Hello! Just wanted to let you know the RfC at Talk:Peppermint (drag queen) was just closed. I'm not sure if you intended the full protection you placed on the article to last beyond that or not, so wanted to let you know in case you did not. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

  Done. Sorry. I've been away a bit. Back now. --Jayron32 12:43, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Your responses at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Iglesia_MaradonianaEdit

Uncalled for and unhelpful. Snide actually. If you have nothing positive to contribute, don't. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I was trying to be helpful as best as I could. You asked for help in removing some vandalism. If you want, I can remove it for you. --Jayron32 14:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
If your comments were really in good faith, I apologise wholeheartedly. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
And if my comments seemed unhelpful, I also apologize. I just realized that you're not a new user; I honestly don't often look at the username when I respond to things on help boards. I mistakenly thought you were a new user who found some bit of vandalism and didn't know what to do next. Now that I know you're well experienced, I can totally see how my comments come off as patronizing. I am quite sorry about that. --Jayron32 13:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Na, it's my fault. I think it's my ego. I should get out more. Except I can't. Lol. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 21:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

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"like, as if"Edit

That's transient teenage slang, which was largely confined to certain age subgroups of a certain socioeconomic status (and may in fact owe more to the movie Clueless than to real-life prevalence), so it doesn't necessarily illuminate traditional territorial dialect forms such as "wooder". AnonMoos (talk) 22:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay. --Jayron32 13:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


Administrators' newsletter – April 2020Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2020).

  Guideline and policy news

  • There is an ongoing request for comment to streamline the source deprecation and blacklisting process.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • The WMF has begun a pilot report of the pages most visited through various social media platforms to help with anti-vandalism and anti-disinformation efforts. The report is updated daily and will be available through the end of May.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft harassment RfCEdit

Looks like you reverted the comments you added just as I was doing so. We definitely will welcome those kinds of comments once the RfC is opened, though for now we are just looking for comments on the structure of the draft itself. We will widely advertise once the RfC is open. Thanks for your contributions :) GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Jeremy ulick BrowneEdit

Hi there ju wondering why you undid my piece on Jeremy Chapman (ulick Browne) his titles are self styled and yes he was born Chapman I have research this evidence before amending a lot of users refer to burkes peerage here. This company is not factual based and there for should not be used Joshmae (talk) 09:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

If you're going to make additions or changes to an article, you need to cite your sources. Everyone who reads the article needs to be able to verify it. --Jayron32 18:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

/* Party of Five: Seasons 3, 4, 5, 6 & the complete series not on Region 2 DVD */Edit

Everytime I contact Sony Pictures Home Entertainmemt by email, they never reply. Here are their emails from their website. 86.128.175.64 (talk) 18:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

What to do you want me to do? --Jayron32 18:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't know. What do you suggest? 86.128.175.64 (talk) 18:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I have no suggestions. --Jayron32 18:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe call them on the phone? 86.128.175.64 (talk) 18:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

You don't need my permission to do so. --Jayron32 18:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

"Canaan" discussion on ANIEdit

Although I suppose that Wikipedia is not about personal feelings, I want to express that I really felt harassed by that editor and that I'm very thankful that someone (you) protected me from harassment that I feel was undeserved. Such things really make me a bit nervous. Rsk6400 (talk) 14:45, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Don't sweat it. His actions indicated a desire to not play by the rules, and was petty and vindictive. Such behavior is not conducive to collaborative editing. --Jayron32 14:48, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

"He don't know me very well, do he?"Edit

"Wouldn't bat an eye", huh? Now that you mention it, I guess I am rather a little more straitlaced on-Wiki than I am in real life. (But you're right, it was out of character. But I'm beyond fed up.)

Anyway, sorry for the nuisance. I expected to either get played along with, or reverted. That someone might suspect account compromise never crossed my mind. —Steve Summit (talk) 18:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

It's all good. I was concerned is all. No hard feelings?--Jayron32 03:59, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Of course not! Thanks for your concern. —Steve Summit (talk) 17:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Nicktoons PorgrammingEdit

Jimmy Neutron, Crashletes, All That, Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? and The Dude Perfect Show are all Back on The Schedule, Here's My Source: https://www.tvpassport.com/tv-listings/stations/nicktoons-hd-east/11445/2020-05-01 Snesboy12 (talk) 14:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2020Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2020).

  Administrator changes

  GnangarraKaisershatnerMalcolmxl5

  CheckUser changes

  Callanecc

  Oversight changes

  HJ Mitchell

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Miscellaneous


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Y. A. TittleEdit

Earlier today, you undid edits on the Y.A. Tittle page. I do know what I'm talking about, and the photo on the page is not the better-known image. It is not the one in Life Magazine, nor is it the one in and on Tittle's book, which credits it to the Associated Press. What happened is this: Dozier Mobley of the AP published his image (Tittle looking forward, stunned) ahead of Berman's (Tittle looking down); Mobley's ran in Life in 1964, not Berman's. Berman then entered his in some contests and did some other self-promotion. Meanwhile, the image that is most commonly reproduced — again, as in Tittle's own book — is Mobley's. I'm a journalist — 10 years at the Virginian-Pilot, 20 at NPR — so I take this stuff seriously. I'm sorry you failed to see that.AndOneForMahler (talk) 22:48, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Interesting. There's a half dozen independent, reliable, and in-depth sources in the article about the Berman image. And then there's you, with no source material, just claiming everyone believe you because you are willing to insist on it. It would be quite fine for you to add extra text describing the second image (with properly citedv reliable sources, of course) since you, as a journalist, obviously understand the importance of both preserving the information already in the article AND citing reliable sources for the text you want to add. --Jayron32 22:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad you find this interesting, because it is! Here you go. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/10/556786699/football-legend-y-a-tittle-dies-at-90

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2017/10/10/hall-of-fame-qb-ya-tittle-dead-at-90/

If you actually look at the issue of Life Magazine (the cite's right there), and Tittle's book, the image is *clearly* Mobley/AP, as shown in the NPR report. The images are often confused, but the provenance is clear. Wikipedia is giving Morris Berman credit above and beyond what his photo deserves. The point is that what you call the "second" image was actually the first.AndOneForMahler (talk) 23:33, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I believe the picture exists. I've never doubted that. What you want to do is to remove information from Wikipedia which is well covered in in-depth writing in several other sources, which you should not do; also, if you want to add information about your picture, then you'll need to find similar writing about that picture to a similar depth and bredth, and use that information as references in your writing. Merely proving your picture exists is not sufficient, you need to find writing about it to act as references for what you want to add to Wikipedia. And again, the existence of your picture does not make the in-depth writing about the Berman image go away. Other people have thought the Berman image significant enough to put it in museums (the Newseum, the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the National Press Photographer's Association). Still, I did some looking, and you are correct that the Mobley Image was used in Life and in Tittle's autobiography. I have corrected the writing to reflect the difference between the two images. --Jayron32 12:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, and amending the article — though the photographer is Dozier Mobley, not Dexter. Here's a cite for the Mobley image: https://apnews.com/fcffb6da1be3482b8730d6b4c3af928d "Tittle never won a championship, but came to personify the competitive spirit of football, thanks to an iconic photo taken by Dozier Mobley during Tittle’s final season in 1964.

"The frame caught the then-37-year-old quarterback, who looked older than his years, after throwing an interception returned for a touchdown by Pittsburgh’s Chuck Hinton. Tittle is seen kneeling in exhaustion and pain from an injured rib, blood dripping down his face from a head gash."

And one other thing. The Berman image "does not hang in the Hall of Fame, not in the exhibit spaces" according to Jon Kendle, Director of Archives & Football Information at the Hall in Canton. The more accurate way to phrase it, he says, is "the Berman photo resides in the Hall of Fame archives, because he submitted it to the Hall of Fame's yearly photo exhibit." Jon.Kendle@profootballhof.com.AndOneForMahler (talk) 18:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

The Los Angeles Times disagrees with you: [1]. --Jayron32 18:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

In this case, the LA Times is wrong, unfortunately. Here's another example. Elsewhere in the same article, it says: "While other photographers recorded Baker’s hit and Tittle as he was later helped to his feet by teammates, Berman was apparently the only one to capture Tittle alone, battered and bleeding and sitting back on his knees," which is obviously untrue.AndOneForMahler (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

DroneBEdit

Well spotted. I knew there wasn't something quite right about him from the off, and I actually asked him about it on his talk page back in 2018. But I never made the C3 connection. --Viennese Waltz 09:42, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

He's done a good job of hiding himself. This isn't the first long-time hidden sock I've caught. But he has his tells that when they click, click, and when you go digging, it's easy to spot him. Some of them are SUPER obvious when you read the SPI reports, but others are things I've made mental note of that I haven't seen publicly documented anywhere, and something he did last week raised my antennas, and when I looked a little closer, there he was. --Jayron32 12:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Also, I just noticed this, which was posted well after I started the SPI. Old habits die hard. --Jayron32 12:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

HushpuckenaEdit

Hi, you were an admin who supported unblocking at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1035#Block_review_request based on the user stating they will refrain from the issues that led to blocks. Floquenbeam is the unblocking administrator, but it appears they are on a wikibreak at the moment. Could you review this based on subsequent violations of NOTBROKEN that have occurred since the user was unblocked? Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I did not necessarily agree with the initial block, so I have no interest in doing anything right now. Please start a new thread at WP:ANI instead of cherry picking admins you think will be interested in doing your bidding. --Jayron32 18:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Wow, okay, I "picked" you for input because you specifically said you were "agnostic" about the initial block and supported an unblock there, and I felt it was much fairer to the user to ask you than ask someone who just agreed with me. Sorry for bothering you. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Agnostic means I didn't have an opinion on it one way or the other. A position I have not, in the intervening time, changed. --Jayron32 18:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
And I take that to mean "neutral" and thus an ideal administrator to ask about a situation they have knowledge about. In the meantime, the user has said they are confused about my point about NOTBROKEN, so hopefully I can help them out and we can finally get on the same page. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Oliver Wendell 2009Edit

Hello! Could you please take a look at the history of edits by User:Oliver Wendell 2009? A large portion of their work involves road junction lists on highways in New England. Unfortunately, the edits do not comply with WP:RJL; the editor is routinely changing the listed destinations away from what is visible on the highway signage. I have made numerous attempts to discuss the situation with the editor and have had no responses. The only interaction so far has been in an edit summary (Connecticut Route 2). I've taken the issue to WT:USRD, where members reiterated the importance of abiding with the road junction list standards. Oliver refrained from editing for about a week but has now returned to reverting to their preferred edits. I want to avoid 3RR. Thank you for your help. --Ken Gallager (talk) 10:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2020Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2020).

  Administrator changes

  CaptainEekCreffettCwmhiraeth
  Anna FrodesiakBuckshot06RonhjonesSQL

  CheckUser changes

  SQL

  Guideline and policy news

  Arbitration

  • A motion was passed to enact a 500/30 restriction on articles related to the history of Jews and antisemitism in Poland during World War II (1933–45), including the Holocaust in Poland. Article talk pages where disruption occurs may also be managed with the stated restriction.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:27, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Happy...Edit

  Hey, Jayron32. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day!
CommanderWaterford (talk) 06:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 

Happy First Edit Day!Edit

Young Princess Mary never getting marriedEdit

In the TV series The Tudors, Mary (played by 16-18 year old Sarah Bolger) remained unmarried from toddler to the age of 30 at the end of the series. In the first few episodes of season 1, she was to be married to King Francis' son but was declined. She was then betrothed to Charles of Spain but declined as well. In the final episode of season 3, she fell in love with Philip of Bavaria but he was sent away, which broked her heart. In the first few episodes of season 4, Catherine Howard was surprised that Mary was still not married and she broke down in tears with Eustace Chapuys comforting her when she realised she will probably never get married. And in the final episode, the ghost of her mother tells Henry that Mary ought to be a long time married by now and have her own children. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Young_Princess_Mary_never_getting_married) 86.129.17.70 (talk) 19:29, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

List of programs broadcast by NicktoonsEdit

Can this page be unprotected (Or at least downgraded to extended protected)? I noticed you protected this page back in February pending discussion about "Christmas episodes", but that discussion never started and never happened, and it's now about 4 months later. (And I ran across this due to wanting to perform an unrelated edit ... fixing the bare URLs on the page.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Steel1943:  Done--Jayron32 04:21, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2020Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2020).

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2020Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2020).

  Administrator changes

  Red Phoenix
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  JujutacularMonty845RettetastMadchester

  Oversight changes

  GB fan
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 2Edit

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Re: our most recent interactionEdit

Hello @Jayron32::

By way of introduction, I am @Ktin:, a recent contributor to the messages at WP:ITNC. Earlier today, we had an interaction, where you highlighted that my message could be construed as accusatory (link here) to others on the group, and more specifically to another user @John M Wolfson:.

Please let me clarify that was absolutely not my intent. Please accept my humble apologies, if that was what came out of that message. I pride myself in the utmost professionalism that I bring to my interactions in the offline world, and I would want my online interactions to be no different.

Also, in the same note you mentioned that I deleted your message, I want to admit that that was a genuine edit conflict due to a simultaneous edit.

Again, thanks for all that you do, and again, please treat this note about our interaction as my apologies for any unintended impact my edits and words might have had on you.

Regards, Ktin (talk) 21:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I too regret the way things went there. Please also accept my apology for being accusatory. I probably over-reacted. Please also accept my apology. --Jayron32 12:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Cheers, onward and upwards! Ktin (talk) 22:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Humanities ref desk...Edit

...could use a couple of rev-dels due to the libelous comments by a sock.[2]Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:14, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Never mind, it's been taken care of. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
  Resolved

Guideline on Medical AdviceEdit

In the period 22-24 April 2018 you contributed to a discussion on the subject of the Reference desk guidelines. See Wikipedia talk:Reference desk/Archive 130#Proposed change to Reference desk Guidelines.

This subject is now being discussed again in a Request for Comment at Wikipedia talk:Reference desk/Guidelines/Medical advice#Does this page reflect community consensus. You may wish to contribute to the discussion. Dolphin (t) 13:08, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

15:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC) RefDesk humanitiesEdit

Hi Jayron, I just learned you are an admin. Can you look at the [3] humanities last post and check if is a problem - it cites an earlier question that was deleted for being banned. Looks like an attempt to test the medical advice guideline under discussion. Ta 70.67.193.176 (talk) 16:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: has gotten better at this particular banned user than I have. I've lost a bit of my mojo. Maybe they can make a move. --Jayron32 20:34, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you both, and hang in there, I'm sure the mojo will return. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

refdesk screw-upEdit

 
Maybe let's have a beer? (Or your preferred alternative, of course.)

Hello, asshole speaking. I'm sorry that my comments went down that badly: they hadn't been intended as patronizing. (They may have resulted from a mind that was somewhat rattled at the time: RL was impinging on my consciousness, and not in a pleasant way.) I notice now that I wrote for example "'Education' is a noun", which could have sounded extraordinarily patronizing in a way that "'Education' being a noun" would I think not. Anyway, do please stick around there: I think I'll give myself an indefinite break. Indeed, right now I think I'll turn off this typewriter thing and relax with some popular beat combo. -- Hoary (talk) 06:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. The suggestion of texts to learn English grammar seemed particularly pointed and insulting, and as I said, if I do something wrong, tell me. Just say "I think you're incorrect on that, and here's why..." and I actually do appreciate that. I don't want to be wrong, and I genuinely appreciate any attempt someone makes to educate me on my wrongness (trust me, I'm wrong A LOT). But the tone of your message came off at once both condescending and insulting, especially the whole "If you really want to learn how to speak English properly, here's some good grammar texts you can buy, if their not too expensive for you, tut-tut". I should probably apologize too for over-reacting. And the best way to get on my good side is free beer. We're good! --Jayron32 10:25, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 
Have you tried Japanese beer? No, please, not the macrobrewery stuff. Try this from Coedo.

I think I understand now. The two books I recommended are descriptive. They assume that their readers already have an advanced tacit knowledge of English grammar. It would be perverse to use the shorter book as a textbook to "teach English grammar" to learners of English as a second language or nervous users of English as a first; as for attempting to use the longer book for this, anyone proposing such a notion would be insane -- it's a reference grammar with 1800+ densely printed pages! The authors have no more interest in improving anyone's ability in English than the authors of a book about the solar system have in suggesting that Jupiter really ought to get its act together, lose some helium and up its radon. The books are for learning about English grammar. I think it's perfectly healthy for native speakers of a language to have little or no interest in the language; but most speakers do seem to have an interest and these books are good for such an interest. (Again, the books have nothing to do with wanting to learn how to speak English properly -- though each does have a certain number of asides in which prescriptivist myths about grammar are dismissed.) What does worry me is that I find myself citing Huddleston and Pullum (H&P) about as automatically as a Party member in a kolkhoz might cite Marx and Engels: has a certain approach to descriptive grammar become unthinking dogma? I hope not; I hope I remain open-minded (and can point to several places where H&P falter). -- Hoary (talk) 12:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

You know, I have not tried that one. I'll have to check out Total Wine; they've got a really big international beer section. I'll add it to my list. The local bottle shops around here carry mostly local and major US microbrews (my state is a major microbrew hub. We've got at least 25-30 in the county I live in alone, and most of those have retail bottling operations). --Jayron32 15:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Actually Coedo isn't outstanding; it's just good, which separates it from any other beer I noticed at Bar WM Commons. For decades there were seven brands: Kirin, Sapporo, Asahi, Suntory, Ebisu, Yoro, and Orion. Yoro was merely a (very minor) brand of Sapporo; Ebisu was/is the slightly less boring alternative brand of Sapporo; Orion was particularly feeble but viewed indulgently because it was brewed in the Ryūkyūs. Orion hasn't improved since. Kirin makes a good lager named Braumeister that's hard to find even here. Suntory makes one named "Master's Dream". Suntory also sometimes sells small quantities of an IPA. The rest of the macrobrewery stuff? Forget it. Small breweries started up a decade or so ago and proved their worth (?) by making decent imitations of the macrobrewery swill. But they have branched out into more interesting beers. It's hard to believe that they could represent good value when bought in the US. Still, if you're in a restaurant with Japanese pretensions (or of course realities), ignore anything that (probably truthfully) is described as popular in Japan (notably Asahi Super Dry) and look for names I haven't mentioned (or Coedo). -- Hoary (talk) 00:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I've had all the big name stuff (Kirin, Sapporo, Asahi) and it's all that unoffensively bland mass-market lager that is nothing special. I'm more of a Belgian kind of guy. My go to is a Belgian Tripel. The real-deal Trappist brands are nice, but super expensive. There's some US ones that I particularly like, Raleigh Brewing Company makes one called "Hell Yes Ma'am" which is probably my number 1 beer, but national brands like New Belgium (Tripel) and Victory (Golden Monkey) are pretty darned good too. --Jayron32 17:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Croats of SerbiaEdit

Hi! Can you put on the previous state of this article [[4]] there are 5 RS. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.83.115 (talk) 09:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, no. Please read Wikipedia's protection policy noted at Wikipedia:Protection policy. Administrators do not pick sides when protecting an article that is currently the target of an edit war. The policy is, unless there is some other policy violation, to protect the article in whatever state it was in when it was protected, and that's that. What you should do is to start a discussion at the article talk page, and achieve a consensus as to how to proceed. If you can show such a consensus, the article will be unprotected. --Jayron32 09:09, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2020Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2020).

  Administrator changes

  Eddie891
  AngelaJcw69Just ChillingPhilg88Viajero

  CheckUser changes

  SQL

  Guideline and policy news

  Arbitration


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:56, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Interstate 885Edit

Hello, so at this time there has been no official submission for route designation I-885 with AASHTO, which we keep a list here: Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Resources/AASHTO minutes The Autumn Meeting is coming up, so I do anticipate a request on this meeting and it is my understanding that FHWA is aware of the designation which is why its been going through as a foregone conclusion at this point. NCDOT also keeps good record of route changes in one depository located here. So officially I-885 is not existing as of yet, but it will soon be once the birth certificates are signed-off. --WashuOtaku (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Understood. It's just designed as a reminder that we need to keep in mind that signs are up. Blue and red and big 885s in the middle. The article implies that no one really knows what the signs will look like when the tarps come down, or that they haven't been made. They've spent many thousands of dollars making those signs. I'm pretty sure someone has already made some kind of important decision before slapping giant shields on everything. --Jayron32 18:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you for fixing that red link. I think your a great administrator Dq209 (talk) 13:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

No problem. I try to be helpful when I can. --Jayron32 13:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2020Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2020).

  Administrator changes

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Rick BeatoEdit

If you decide to create an article about him, I'd be willing to contribute to it. Also note that he is mentioned in 35 WP articles:[5]. It is unlikely that I can be reached at this IP talk page; I'll check your page for any response, or try User_talk:107.15.157.44. --2606:A000:1126:28D:D448:69F6:26C2:125 (talk) 17:07, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I've created the article and dropped a bunch of potential refs in it. --Jayron32 12:06, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
  Thank you  [It's me] 2606:A000:1126:28D:F577:C62E:6E1E:608A (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)