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If you've never seen...Edit

. . .Veiled Christ, a statue in Naples, Italy, depicting Christ in the tomb, maybe click the image two or three times to enlarge it. This almost unbelievable 1753 sculpture ("how'd he do that?"), carved from one piece of marble, has the only Wikipedia article which has to prove, with sources, that the topic was not the work of an alchemist. Step right up, and don't miss the modern looking couch, the two pillows with tassels, or the crown of thorns and other torture things down by the feet. All of that carved from that same block of marble. Literally a few steps from Veiled Christ sits another "how'd he do that?" piece also carved from a single block of marble (or created by alchemy).

Best vandal edit in the categories of...Edit

This one time at band camp I vandalized a pageEdit

The docents ask people: "Find the cat". Letting the coolness of it lead me to break my oath as a Wikipedian, I now self-identify as a vandal.

Always interestingEdit

See and listen to Wikipedia edits as they occur. Designed by Stephen LaPorte and Mahmoud Hashemi of, the link was copied from a user page, don't remember where, but it's deservedly on quite a few as well as having its own article. Just who is making all this noise? Well...

...the size of our stadiumEdit

Here is another user's subpage about how many Wikipedians can dance on the head of a pin.


A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Barnstar of Diligence
Barnstar of Diligence to you. They called him Marius (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, much appreciated. Enjoy your time on Wikipedia! Randy Kryn (talk) 23:00, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

"Book 4" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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Tags removed from {{Orders of magnitude}} listsEdit

Hi, I'm curious why you decide to remove some of the {{More citations needed}} tags from these pages since a lot of them still have quite a few unsourced entries. Ionmars10 (talk) 11:28, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Ionmars10, hello as well. The tags I removed were from articles which already had dozens of references, and in some cases over a hundred (one had 172 references). These tags seemed to be put on solely because some information in them wasn't cited. Others were from pages which asked for more references with tags from 2009 or earlier and where references had been added since. Almost every one of the six million articles on English Wikipedia could arguably be tagged with a morecites needed tag. When a page already is well cited, especially list pages such as these which hopefully have page watchers who patrol for vandals, spammers, and incorrect entries, they seem to deserve a noncluttered introduction. A page by page decision as to when to tag for morecites does of course help the encyclopedia, yet pages with 40, 70, 80, or 172 references have enough, in some editors opinions. At some point we have to trust that the overall page is fine and doesn't need the large top-tags even though, in some cases, individual in-text facts have citationneeded tags. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

The cat's out of the bagEdit

Talk:Cat#Big cats a thing of the past? was turning into a hairy situation, and I don't want to see people claw at each other, nor have this dispute mewling away into archival before it's been settled. I've tried to lure some attention to the discussion via a cross-post at WT:FELIDS. Hopefully more editors will pounce on the issue (though not on each other).  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  21:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I'll bring the catnip (which, by the way, effects only 2/3rds of cats, valerian picks up lots of the rest. never knew that until about a year and a half ago). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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Sermon on the MountEdit

Hi, I noticed you removed the hatnote. Hatnotes are to help readers navigate. They aren't only for articles with related topics. In this case, the titles differ by only one letter; someone could easily wind up there by hitting the wrong letter on the keyboard. I only revised the existing hatnote, so evidently I wasn't the only one to think so. But if you want to ask for input on the talk page or somewhere else, I have no objections. Have a good day! -- (talk) 07:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

The hatnote was to a speech nicknamed Sermon on the Mound, obviously a pun on the name. But I don't think there's a Wikipedia policy to hatnote every item that's one letter off, or a pun of a title. Thanks for letting me know that the edit has been questioned. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:31, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
There isn't a policy one way or the other. WP:HATNOTE says they're for assisting the reader. I really have no strong feelings about this, but I do see where the person who inserted it was coming from. What do you think about asking for input at the article talk? -- (talk) 04:14, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I'm fine with it not being a hatnote, although you can ask for more input on the talk page. A pun on a name doesn't have to be included as a hatnote. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:23, 15 February 2020 (UTC)


Hey my friend, just fyi... Redirect: [[Prison Ship Martyrs' Monument 2.0]] doesn't work anymore. So please omit the colon, as in Prison Ship Martyrs' Monument 2.0. Thank you for your service ;>)  Paine  14:49, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Paine, I've always used the colon for redirects so will keep this in mind. The bots keep moving the goalposts! Randy Kryn (talk) 00:33, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
There was a bug report awhile back, and until the bug was fixed, a colon was necessary. Bug's been fixed, so a colon is no longer necessary, and in fact, a colon can cause problems, for example, this particular colon caused a malformed move request at Talk:Statue of Edward Snowden#Requested move 16 February 2020. That was about a nine on my Weird-Shit-o-meter. Best to you! PI Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 02:28, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Section copied from aboveEdit

...could it be? If that would be mine, we'd both shine, still living for today in these last copied days and times. Seriously though, Nas ain't noise, and even his old white-bread single sent a certain subsonic signal through the snot in the middle of an elephant's long, wet, cold, gray nose. And sure, "nose" doesn't rhyme with "walls", but kicking a wikkity-wak weasel in the dick sure does. Where there's a will, there's a way, Macho Man, and when the lemon juice dries, I think we'll all see LaPorte and Hashemi designed this inner rock city not for the night, like how we do in Bug City, but for the tunes. Now I hear a thunder in the distance and see a television cross, so good luck with recreating your own prison here, my friend. I'll never forget how you were the only one to comfort me when Poppy scared my bajeesus clean off from miles away. But if you choose to imagine a better world outside these walls, as well, may your beagle land where it is always supposed to...home. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

InedibleHulk, yeah, you're a deep thinking poet essayist that most people won't get, and they and I will wonder why you post while whatever on or not on something you enjoy (and if you're on something or sober why are you not writing a fiction or commentary book or essay or book of poetry? You're a writer, use that talent.) I don't understand 80 percent of what you've said above, but will read it a few times to see what you're going on about but, you're welcome. I haven't checked in on Poppy-world since we communicated last time, I'm going to have to listen to that latest album's songs more than once or twice. Her best is yet to come. Okay, cool off, enjoy the virus spread, and good to have you back editing (although with the way you express yourself wouldn't be surprised if some admin somewhere drags you to one of those Wikipedia court pages). It's definitely like a novel that Tom Hanks has become the American face of the virus. Thanks again, enjoy. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the link Home, never went to that page and tossed in some good edits. Will edit drift away from it now, but will come back. The home page does need some help, and it may be a good page for the "article of the week" which the whole community is called to work on. Getting some good editors on that one will really improve an important article. Inspiration Inedible. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
In layman's terms, I suspect you caught that "always interesting" noisemaker from my user page ("Are You High?). This, of course, may be a mixed drink of common confirmation bias and my own pure vanity. The elephant's nose and Bug City allude to The Presidents of the United States of America, not the similarly-named list of political figures or that book I accidentally Wikilinked. Listen to the band, don't listen to Trump, no opinion on that book. The lemon juice represents ACME's Disappearing Reappearing Ink, from the 1989 classic film about a stupid rabbit's love for a cartoonishly-hot human, and a jaded poet kicking a naysaying caricature where the sun don't burn. Poppy is Poppy (clearly) and "Don't Go Outside" has aged well (subjectively), but on my side of this viral story, Tom Hanks' character is played by Justin Trudeau. The television cross signifies Creed's "My Own Prison". Regardless of our feelings on Stapp's lyrics, melodramatic delivery or drinking, Tremonti is a damn god, guitarwise.
I respect your choice to spruce up the Home article, and your ambition for the Home page, but I disagree with your notion that I'll stick around. I already had my Kafkaesque trial, explicitly silenced by the admin Swarm. You thought I was Wolf Blitzer or whatever, remember? Good times, but in the immortal words of Homer, "This lesbian bar doesn't have a fire exit!" And so I must put down my girly pen, and get back to sheathing my sword like a mad anthropomorphic hare. Somewhere over the mass coronal ejection, a cartoonishly-hot blonde awaits, and she isn't getting any younger. Before the news tells me years of Wikipedia exposure have left my unmentionables "withered and useless", I'm blowing this joint and then signing off until audiences return to television, my body lies over the ocean and the cat drags my bonny back in to me.
If it makes you feel better, I have used my writing gift where it matters, just under the pseudonym my parents gave me. "InedibleHulk" is fine for what it was, but what it was was always commercially unviable. When a cellar door closes, an attic window blows open. And when chaos is no longer a ladder, a raven stops being a writing desk. There's gold in that setting sun, or my name ain't Humpty Dumpty! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:42, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the long explanations, Humpty Dumpty, will have to mental-map some of it by making some of the connections. Never a Creed fan or had any attention on them, and have no idea who Stapp or Tremonti are, so I'll at least dip an ear into their music because of your recommendation. Good luck in all you do. A damn fine writer, Wikipedia's loss will be your gain. But the pedia isn't going anywhere, so will always be a Home away from home. Will play a little more on the Home page in your Wikipedian honor, seems applicable, and maybe others can poke it around. Enjoy Paris when you get there (first time or again). Randy Kryn (talk) 03:24, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Look what you've inspired this time. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Nice! And your 420-byte nomination is double nice! And these threes everywhere...terrifyingly appropriate, tres bien! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Back atch ya (The nom alluded to, articles for improvement). Smooth sailing. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
As you may have noticed, something came up. That ship, disengagement, this realm...illusions! You'd think I'd have known I'd be weeping into a household handkerchief from my homely portico while a haunting harpsichord line swells louder and louder and louder from beneath familiar floorboards by my incessant callbacks to that one scene in that one episode of that one series where that one lucky dead bastard gets to have all the fun he wants with his star-crossed lover (real and imagined), but nope. Go figure, eh? Anyway, good job picking up on how something as overlooked as a home might be important later to so many, you actual genius! I may have a way with words, but I know nothing of basic human psychology on a less superficial level. That's why I promise to not take in any COVID orphans and raise them as if they were my own vengeful archers. This Northern watcher remembers that going south in a hurry, but forget to whom. That's not important, though. The important thing is I saw what you did last spring. All the things you said, running through your head. About the moon. Is it just a cyclical thing, or are you a lunatic? Sometimes thinking about the moon is fun. Sometimes thinking about whether famous historical figures were lunatics is fun. Did you know T.A.T.u. were considered fun once? I like it when old things are new again. Can borrowed things be blue again? Poppy is trapped in America! During her "last" concert dates, she covered a new song. Some say she exposed an old one, though, and I should say her "most recent" concert dates. Are those people crazy? Or just lunatics? You ever hear of a song called "Lunatic Fringe" or a tribe called Red Rider south of the wall? If you have time, now that teachers are leaving those kids alone, Google it! I forget who plays guitar, but that riff's a damn god where I'm stuck! After you're finished howling at the moon (sha-nah nanah) and revisiting "six feet deep" lyrics, may I also recommend Phil Ochs? He's not as young and metallic as the true legends used to be, but somebody told me that he met a sailor that looked a girlfriend that I had in February of that year. It's not confidential, folk has potential to come rushing around! Spread the echo, test for joy, don't start believin'! Seriously though, death is Journey, not some rancid destination unknown. Ruby, ruby, ruby Ruby Soho! It just keeps going and going...that dread harpsichord, I mean. I thought those things weren't supposed to get louder. Anyway, don't fear the TV that says we're out of time. Fear the EP that says "Choke". I don't care if you previously enjoyed climbing "Holy Mountain", it'll just have to be the only time we got to! Countdown...5,4,3,2,1, soap. When a Care Bear can no longer go over the hill to see what cousins they can see, it stops being nothing but a cabbage head my grandma sent to me. Many a mile bugs travel, a thousand ears or so, but none have heard of a head of cabbage with hair upon it befo'. In other words, "Green Jello sucks!" Ironically, anyway. Like rain on your wedding day, freezing o'er your balls, with not a soul to hear. That's "literally" all the truth I know. At this hour, anyway. A lot can come back to one's senses in an hour, you know? Cheers to whatever floats your socially-distant boat, and fuck whatever gets your rhetorical goat! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I hope you are doing well in the time of the plague. Using a talk page for creative writing, okay, thanks. Yet editing Wikipedia, that's why we're here, and where most of my attention is when I come here, so understand when I don't jump into the stream-of-consciousness game. Home passed and is on the articles-needing editing list, thanks for inspiring that. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:11, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I'd give my well-being a C grade, up from a D when I wrote that. But no worries, I'm not asking you to participate. You don't know the rules (I don't know the rules!). Just blowing off steam and recommending tunes. Music and productive editing can co-exist, I believe. But yeah, I'll check my personal luggage at the door next time. You're welcome! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Also, I had no idea you were into goat images, until now. As you say, well-timed universe! Cheers to vitamins, man! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, and please pull that C up to an A, maybe with consistent daily Vitamin C supplementation of several thousand grams spaced out during the day, which is what the discussion about the goat image below concerns. I'm not into goat images, but not a'gin 'em either. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Never! Even in the best of times, I was a B. As Manson's children once droned, "When all of your wishes are granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed." Marilyn, that is, not Charles. I look like Charlie, but sure don't feel like him. He inspired System of a Down's "ATWA", though, so he wasn't a total waste of space. If you ever want to hear such greasy kid stuff, but without the distortion and screaming, maybe check out Vitamin String Quartet. Same chords, same melodies, no lyrics. More of a placebo, but hey, those sometimes work. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

John Lewis (civil rights leader)Edit

Hi, Randy... sorry I have been a stranger lately. I even missed the just prior move discussion. I've just had my worst health year ever—from the terrifying to the ridiculous—but evidently no lasting harm (the ridiculous was gout-I thought that was limited to Henry VIII, Dr. Johnson, and Hogarth's works). Anyway, could you poke me if I miss any changes at this article? — It really, really ought to be rewritten to a decent level while Lewis is still with us, and that would go a long way preventing the article being cluelessly jerked around. Thanks. (Today's NYT has a very good article with lots of graphs that shows how shockingly many republicans believe SARS Covid19 is a hoax—and why! Stay safe. — Neonorange (Phil) 01:53, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, and will keep watch of the page. Hoping all is well now. The RM at John Lewis has been well served by your comments, that's a primary title waiting to happen but not everyone sees it that way. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I could go into more detail on my scares, but why bother? Even had my health problems not disappeared, they would seem trivial in this pandemic.
Good health and an elbow-bump to you. — Neonorange (Phil) 18:38, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Alfred WordenEdit

 On 19 March 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Alfred Worden, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 03:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Vitamin C and the goat imageEdit

In my opinion the image of the goat and the statement that goats synthesize 13,300 mg/day daily, and more when stressed (from a 1973 article not available on line), implies that humans should consume far more than the 45-90 mg/day recommended by various government organizations, and more when stressed. Even if the goat information is true, it turns out that goats maintain a serum concentration barely double the norm for humans (information I recently added to the article). And there are few if any evidences that humans increasing vitamin C intake in times of stress (ill defined) gain any health benefit. David notMD (talk) 13:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

[for accidental page lurkers, this is about an edit at Vitamin C concerning an existing image and caption] I'm not a doctor either, but from research and experience I'd say that humans should consume much, much more than the 45-90 mgs. daily recommended for humans, and have personally taken a 1,000 mg. tablet three or four times a day every day since February, 1995. I'd suggest that the image and caption of a goat on the page be replaced with one of a zoo-captive chimpanzee or gorilla. The caption would include the governmental requirement for supplemental daily ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) for captive or kept primates. Last time I looked, quite awhile ago, was that zoos had to supplement their captive primates with an average human-weight equivalent of 3,400 mgs. a day. If you'd like to do a little research, please check to see what the government requirement is now. Thanks. [to accidental lurkers, this discussion references the fact that primates cannot create ascorbic acid in their bodies, unlike almost 100% of all other animals, insects, plants, and other life forms, whose bodies' make and process it continuously] Randy Kryn (talk) 17:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
FYI - My PhD is from MIT in Nutritional Biochemistry, with a minor in Human Nutrition. I will search for information on primate nutrition and primate serum vitamin C. David notMD (talk) 21:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Duly accidentally noted. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:09, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

March 2020Edit

  Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Bee hummingbird. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Why would you enter "smallest dinosaur" on this page? Try to be more constructive, and use WP:SCIRS sources. Zefr (talk) 17:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Lo and behold, the smallest known dinosaur in flight
  • Hi Zefr. Almost lol (just smiling out loud). The edit in the text that I made said that the bee hummingbird is the smallest known dinosaur. Which is true. Where is the disruptive context of the edit? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • p.s. The reversal. Maybe give more thought to tossing up warning templates per much ado about nothing, and consider giving a shout out to a talk page discussion instead. Warning templates presented by one editor to another should mean something serious, so please, when you are about to give your next few to ignorant users like myself, maybe think about it just before the habit takes hold again. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Provide a WP:SCIRS review where an expert(s) says a hummingbird is a dinosaur, then I'll gladly revert and apologize. --Zefr (talk) 21:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The Bird article and Dinosaur article, among many others, call birds avian dinosaurs, with many references. Wikipedia's descriptor for extinct dinosaurs is non-avian dinosaur. If you'd want to dispute those encyclopedic definitions then I'd think a full RfC would be needed. Whatever you decide, there is certainly no need for an apology, especially since you acted in good faith which, by Wikipedian courtesy, we assume of each other until shown otherwise. All I'm saying above is that templating other editors might be better thought out and rare (but since I've never used one on anybody, I must assume good faith that you thought I should be templated, so all is well). Randy Kryn (talk) 23:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello Zefr. Wondering if you checked out the bird and dinosaur articles to ascertain if birds are considered dinosaurs or not? If so, and if birds actually do have that dino magic, since the revert has waited almost four world-gone-crazy months it can wait a bit longer. Thanks, and I hope all is well. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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Funerary art in Puritan New EnglandEdit

Hi Randy, I was wondering if you could help be out with this page; am struggling to create in bound links outside of "see also"'s on specific graveyard articles. As well, am not sure that I have gotten the categorizations right. Hope all is well for you in this bizarre new world. Ceoil (talk) 19:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ceoil. Yikes, thanks for the Halloween-in-April article request. Will take a further look, but won't offer much help with this one, let the bones lay in shallow graves for now. Thanks for the hope, and to you as well. Yes, an odd time, and doing okay so far. I've got a loner friend who says he's "been practicing for this his whole life." When in Boston in November myself and another Wikipedian actually went into one of these old cemeteries (don't know its name, up a hill from one of the old churches near the harbor), small but evidently packed. Didn't stay long, as it was a cold rainy day, but many of the gravestones looked like the images in your article. And thanks for thinking of me (please give me a happier assignment too). On a quick look I did see a book title needing italics (not surprising, have done so many of them my brain picks them out of the pattern automatically). Randy Kryn (talk) 23:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
p.s., can't think of any outside links you or other editors haven't caught. The page is very well written and educational, a good (although kind of creepy and skully) addition to Wikipedia's sculpture collection. by the way, loved your article-unused image. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll take your non overhaul as a sign that havnt done anything disastrous or likely to put me in prison. Re old cemeteries, once all this is over, myself and the mrs are planning to take a week in Maine, this is my alternative motive, there seems to be the bones of a very interesting article there. In fact myself and wifey basically fell in love in that very yard. ps, looking above It seems we have similar musical tastes. Ceoil (talk) 00:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Ceoil, will reply tomorrow, but just wanted to ask, shouldn't the page be included in the sculpture categories? These things are sculptures, right, mostly reliefs? I think it is a sculpture article. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I think sculpture might be pushing it, although yes they are reliefs. Ceoil (talk) 22:14, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Pinging Johnbod if he has a view re sculpture. Ceoil (talk) 22:35, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Category:American sculpture certainly! I suppose Category:Outdoor sculptures in the United States too. Then there's the "public art" tree, which doesn't seem to talk to the sculpture tree. Good to see you're keeping cheerful! Johnbod (talk) 22:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Txs John and Randy, added now. re cheerful: am a ray of sunshine as always!, although frankly I find this stuff uplifting. Ceoil (talk) 23:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Lots of good work by yourself and others on the page the last couple of days. It reads easily and informatively. Remaining puritans will applaud. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:58, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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"Pedia" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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Stage works: no year in the first sentenceEdit

Please do not add a year in the first sentence of articles about plays and musicals such as "x is a 1972 musical..." A play or musical may be written in one year, workshopped another year, have a small productions somewhere in a third year, and then a bigger regional production before being seen, say, on Broadway or in the West End, in yet another year. An article about a play or musical should generally start off like this: "x is a musical with lyrics by y, music by w and a book by z. The story, based on u, is about v. It premiered at the q Theatre in 1972". Thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't know why not, as the opening year of a play's run is considered its premier year for categorization purposes, but will take that into consideration in year placement. Thanks for all of your good work on plays and musicals. On a side note I've been adding italics to pages the last few years to improve Wikipedia's professional look, and that started out by italicizing the titles of probably hundreds of Shakespearean-era plays (so am aware that Wikipedia has quite the collection by era, thanks to writers like yourself!). Randy Kryn (talk) 10:08, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Premieres are well and good to define a recording, but plays are alive. Pretty consistent, if performed well, but you never know when the guy beneath the Hamlet paint and wig is going to be fired for getting high in a hotel stairwell with Ophelia, requiring not just an understudy for the show to go on, but a babyface turn and midget sidekick for the entire character's foreseeable tragicomic future! OK, Doink the Clown is a farfetched case study, but you get the point, faces change as the years go by. Now, if you don't mind, I again grow weary of my songs remaining the same, could you italicize me another album from your space and time? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:30, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
See below. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Still sheltering in place, I hope—Edit

Hi, Randy! I just came across a NYT review of Sword and Shield The Revolutionary Lives of Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr. by Peniel E. Joseph, Basic Books [1]. Have you seen a review or the book? I have Apple Books now, and plan to purchase the book. Can't travel, can't eat out, don't drink or smoke—so I read. (No Wikipedia article for the book, yet—) Joseph is the son of an woman who emigrated from Haiti. In the 80s and 90s I spent a year total in Haiti. This book from her son is a fruit of immigration to America.

In deciding whether to get the book, I read the Wikipedia article on the author—found it had been vandalized twice by the same nine-year-old account in recent times, with only eight total edits to article name space, two to article talk, by my check, all borderline vandalism or extreme POV. Could you keep an eye on the Joseph article?

After watching the armed invasion of the Michigan Legislative chambers, I am rethinking my attitude toward dystopian novels I've read. Our son and daughter are still living in Brooklyn (healthy and working remotely).

Sorry I haven't communicated much lately—I am having trouble with email at-the-present. Will try to drop a real letter soon. Hope you are well. — Neonorange (Phil) 17:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

  • PS Man Without a Soul, Lucinda Williams single, dropped last week, album out now (yeah, you get one guess—you'll be right). When I'm not reading or writing, lately, I've been listening to music from the last seventy years, three—four hours a day. !!Jerry Lee Lewis is still active!! Check the lineup on his 2006 Last Man Standing. He is scheduled to record this quarter, pending medical opinion following a recent stroke (I no longer feel that is necessarily a dire event, I had two last year but for me no effects linger a year later. — Phil 19:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I lurk here, eternally seeking new old albums. Thanks for surviving last year and dropping by. I'll take both! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:39, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Neon and Inedible, I didn't know Jerry Lee Lewis was still among us. Interesting book information, thanks. And both of you stay healthy too. My best musical find lately is for the old fogies, a Lawrence Welk Show tune that Welk called at its conclusion a modern spiritual. Amen. And used to listen to a lot of Buffy Sainte Marie from her late 1960s and early '70s heyday (try this one for some heartfelt singing), Joni Mitchell and Joan Baez in their prime (here's a little-heard Baez song about some guy who was "one time ruler of the world of art") and of course the hippie goddess Melanie during her many years of representing a subculture just fine. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
p.s. anyone here a Roches fan? love me some Roches harmony. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Don't know Roches, can't find Last Man Standing on Spotify, so listening to a playlist of the same name, apparently from Austin, but singing about New Orleans. I know I don't like Welk, and do like Mitchell, so prime Baez later, thanks! I offer Day for Night in return; at least up here, old and young fogies both seem to like it. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Click on the Welk. You may have new appreciation. A woman who obviously doesn't know what she's singing about, so only her and Welk are clueless, while the band is probably trying their hardest not to break up laughing and her singing partner is going through the motions knowing that when Welk finds out he'll be one of those called into the office. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I've given it almost two months of thought, and yes, maybe I'll click on that Welk tomorrow after all. How bad could it be, right? But today belongs to Canada, at least by Britain's universal clock, so the 1971 sixties must wait. Anyway, if you know a few good bots willing to kill each other for stupid reasons, stop by my office and sign those bad boys up. Don't worry, most of them weren't programmed to feel like they used to! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
That was pretty bad, Randy. Could've been much, much longer, though, so thank St. Mary for small mercies! If you'd like this favour returned fivefold, my fine feathered friend, check out "Le Figlie della Tempesta", from My Dying Bride's The Dreadful Hours (though you'll hate it, you can still appreciate it). InedibleHulk (talk) 09:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Tagging onto this music discussion:
I was rereading Linda Ronstadt and came across a cite to Stranded: Songs for a Desert Island (1979) edited by Greil Marcus, a collection of essays/reviews by critics of popular music. In the last section, critics list records they'd most like to have if stranded on a desert island. Marcus' list runs to thousands of songs, listed alphabetically from "My Song" performed by Johnny Ace/The Beal Streeters " ..Told me, that you would leave me in tears..." through—well, I'm trying to split into multiple playlists on Spotify—the first is Stranded per Greil Marcus (Johnny Ace thru The Diamonds) and am only down to The Diamonds "Little Darlin" "Oooh... ya, ya, ya... ya, ya, ya... Darlin', Little Darlin..."—5 hours 33 minutes of music so far. Still working on the playlists. I was reading the Ronstadt article because I love her voice. John Rockwell's essay show's he really loves Ronstadt, so I found his book [[The Outsider: John Rockwell On the Arts 1967—2006. I got the Marcus book used, in good condition for $5 and the Rockwell, pristine, for $12, both on Amazon. Both enjoyable and very useful.
ps. I can not retrieve email from the address you have, Randy Been fighting from before covid-19 hit to get help from my ISP, but no fix yet. I will get another address to you via yours.
pps. In the Rockwell book, this review "The Roches" The New York Times April 1, 1979 "The Roches, which will be released... is the best pop music record of 1979 thus far... In fact it's so will be remarkable if another... supplant(s) it as best album of the year." — Neonorange (Phil) 04:42, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Not sure what that April Fool was smoking, but Breakfast in America had already destroyed all hope that the '80s may have had three days prior. Eagles and Zeppelin, gone! But "Ooo Baby Baby" hit #77 on Billboard's year-end singles chart, so go Linda! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

For decades I had been convinced that the only way I made it through the Pittsburg winter of '65—66 was Ronstadt and the Stone Poneys on the turntable at a small bar on the Allegheny River. 'Til I recently learned they had yet to record. ps. We just installed a covid-19 pack in our furnace/AC—ultraviolet C lamp and HEPA 13 filter (approximately equivalent to N95). This is going to be a long haul—hurricane season has five months to run—then flu season starts. And we're running out of PPE. — Neonorange (Phil) 08:03, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hoping you both are doing well. I really don't listen to much music lately, so can't offer much opinion about the newer (and most older) bands or singers. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Neonorange, everyone still healthy? I tend not to talk covid much, so skipped over that part in your notes. I probably haven't had it, and am doing the precaution distancing route. Plus keeping hydrated, getting sunlight, and supplementing 4000 units of Vitamin D-3 a day (in addition to the 1000 mgs of Vitamin C four times a day, a dash of melatonin at night, and whatever else gets in the mix) hopefully does me good. Never heard of a covid-19 furnace pack, will do some research on that, thanks. Too bad about losing C.T. Vivian and John Lewis, and on the same day. Keep well! Randy Kryn (talk) 04:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Yr edit to LukeEdit

Randy, in your recent edit to Gospel of Luke (which I have no problems with in itself), you broke a sentence into two, and in the process created a sentence without a source citation. Please be careful to make new cite tags so that every statement continues to be identified. (God I sound pompous, sorry). Achar Sva (talk) 10:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the good advice, and for the simple, concise, and heartfelt prayer (Luke would have used it in his book if Jesus had said it). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Louis Kahn template for First Unitarian Church of Rochester (building)Edit

After publishing the new link for First Unitarian Church of Rochester (building) on the Louis Kahn template, I decided to test it from an article that used the template. Arrrgh, it didn't work! It turns out that I had absent-mindedly tested it from First Unitarian Church of Rochester (building) article itself, and of course it wasn't happy with the idea of linking to itself. It works, naturally, from other articles that use the Louis Kahn template. Thanks for handling that situation so quickly, and thanks for the kind words. Bilpen (talk) 19:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Perplexed by Jefferson Bible articleEdit

In December 2019, appears that User:Mholowchak, first editing as User:2601:5c6:8200:980:ed50:f43a:cc4f:cccd, made a bunch of edits to Jefferson Bible, increasing the length of the article by 1/3 and referencing... himself (his published books on the topic). I know nothing about Jefferson, but am willing to believe that Holowchak is adding his own original (albeit published) research, which does not match mainstream historian content. Elsewhere, Holowchak has been reverted for adding his own thoughts into other Jefferson articles. See the Self-citation comment at User talk:Mholowchak. And added his 15 Jefferson books to Bibliography of Thomas Jefferson. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks. I removed one paragraph and points that seemed out of context, but I'm not a Jefferson expert. Maybe you can copy your comment to the Thomas Jefferson talk page which will get a better look from editors who have studied the material. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda!, and a nice shiny object to mull over. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:28, 25 May 2020 (UTC)


I noticed in the past you took interest in the veganism and vegetarianism template and made good edits. I have proposed a new WikiProject if you are interested. Psychologist Guy (talk) 19:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Psychologist Guy, I don't like to commit to joining things on Wikipedia, makes it seem way too much like work. But I'll keep the project on my watchlist and probably think of at least joining at some point. Thanks for creating such an important WikiProject, I see it has lots of support. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Sulzberger updatesEdit

Hello again! I wanted to make sure you saw my proposed updates to the Sulzberger article here. I know not all editors receive ping notifications, so I thought I'd follow up here before seeking help elsewhere such as WikiProject Biography or WikiProject Journalism. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Inkian Jason, I did see them but would rather have more eyes on the edits for your next round of suggested edits. Thanks for your dedication to your work. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks for confirming so quickly. I will seek help at WikiProject Journalism. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


Randy Kryn, do you have any experience with German Wikipedia? I have been in denial about it for well over a decade, but it does function like a Prussian monarchy, with a queen at its head. It is a very strange place, especially since that queen's antics do not work at all in the real world. A simulacrum. Cheers, --Edelseider (talk) 13:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

No, I was just playing at Jonbod's page because of your comment. Since you had some trouble there and seem to still carry emotion over it, and seem proficient in English, German Wikpedia's loss is English Wikipedia's gain! Randy Kryn (talk) 13:55, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! Have a nice evening or morning, depending on your timezone! --Edelseider (talk) 14:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome. Timezone? It's already August where I am. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for John Lewis (civil rights leader)Edit

 On 19 July 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article John Lewis (civil rights leader), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. King of ♥ 03:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Although not a happy occasion, thank you King of Hearts, and for your own work on the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:10, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


I don't know what is going on here - is showing random punctuation marks that I cant delete. Hello otherwise: life opening up again slowly in Ireland and we have been promised pints of Guinness on August 10th. Ceoil (talk) 04:32, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

thanks, no idea why my talk page was included in that category, just removed it. Besides that, the page looks normal to me. I'm on monobook, which maybe isn't seeing what you're seeing. And aye, the Guinness will flow like water. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:05, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you and request for more help!Edit

Hi Randy, I very much appreciate your edits on my page William Woodward! I am new to Wikipedia and I was hoping you could shed some light on the review process of drafts. If you have a moment, I would love to know if there is anything I can do on the page that will improve it's chances of a speedier review. It appears that you are a long-time Wikipedian and well versed in a variety of topics ... any suggestions or help would be brilliant. Thanks and hope you're having a lovely day! Best, EArvaWeb (talk) 22:04, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

He EArvaWeb. I really don't know much about the draft review process, and haven't used it. Nice work by the way, always good to see new visual arts pages. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:53, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Randy, thank you for the compliment about my work on comet NEOWISE. -- Kheider (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome Kheider. Lots of readers benefited from your work (haven't checked in a few days, but a bit ago the page was getting 60,000 to 80,000 views a day). Last night was the last for me for this comet, saw it seven nights but yesterday, even with pretty good binoculars, could hardly see it. Even Heaven's Gate wouldn't follow this one. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:05, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Navbox related questionsEdit

Hey I have a question. Regarding navboxes like Template: Great Lakes Megalopolis which relied on a source to decide what belongs there. If editors don't want it placed on certain articles linked. then what do I do? Is it better off deleted? Jhenderson 777 22:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

First I've heard of the term, and the template just seems to list all the big cities in a huge area of North America covered by the term (and I suppose the template could include every city, river, hill, nook, and cranny in-between). Seems much too broad a topic to include the template on all of those articles, at least I wouldn't place it on them. Besides, it's above my pay grade (i.e. the quarter I found at a wikiconference once). Thanks for asking. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind me joining this discussion. Unfortunately, User talk:Jhenderson777 has been edit warring to keep this template in articles, despite at least three editors reverting the edit. I have therefor started a discussion about this at Talk:Detroit#New navbox: Great Lakes Megalopolis in the hope of gaining a consensus to have the navbox removed from the many, many articles it has been added to. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)I haven't edit warred. they are still off the page bro! I undid once and did not break any three revert rule. Jhenderson 777 23:40, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh, it's your template. I thought you were asking me if it should be removed from the pages. But as I said, it's a topic I've never heard of so am not the best person to enter the discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:46, 31 July 2020 (UTC),
Understood. sorry about not being that clear. I don't want it removed though editors are removing it in certain links. Also now it's on deletion discussion. BTW I ask because you seem to be an expert on navboxes. That is all! :) Jhenderson 777 18:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)