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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Martin, As you archive so regularly (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 11:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. A lovely picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
I have made a little seasonal update - hope you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Not at all. The snow has almost vanished.
A Christian feast commemorating the resurrection of Christ; the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox, neither earlier than March 22 nor later than April 25.
I hate this BST ... why can't we stick with good old GMT? (... it follows the sun after all)
Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
now, I ask you, what kind of alphabetical (or significance) order is that?!!
Yours, aye John Lemon
Have always loved that record. Good compilation of photographs ... who is the geezer in the middle — at 1 min 32 secs? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
For some reason, he always reminded me of Nixon!
Oh! Of course. I knew that really –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


Wiki JukeboxEdit

... my own personal permanent fixture tribute...
You turn your back for a just a second and some strange Swedish person sneaks in and steals your records!!

Please don't donate generously any more (.... and add whatever you like!!):

Jukeboxland - never try and sneakily enter at your own risk
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

All deleted, on the advice of User:Fram, in case there is a copyright problem.

Blocks all round?Edit

"They've got womanly breasts under pale mauve vests,
Shoes like dead pigs' noses,
Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers,
A mouth what never closes."
Please, Mr. Admin-robot, don't be a Blockhead.
Oi! Oi! ... Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers, A mouth what never closes...
Their shapeless haircuts don't enhance, Their ghastly patterned shirts.. (allegedly)

"I'm a tail dragger, I wipe out my tracks"

  • What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back? A stick!
  • I couldn't quite remember how to throw a boomerang, but eventually it came back to me.Boing
  • The other day I held the door open for a clown. I thought it was a nice jester.clown

Father Jackum's polyphonic retort generatorEdit

Enjoy (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

"OMFG". Not seen you for a while, Dot! I thought you'd been sent down for at least 30 years for giving Nasty Nick his last ever WP:GAR. But what a lovely musical gift! Hours of Manchester fun. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a lot of malicious tongues round 'ere, and you know me, I ain't one to gossip, but apparently Ethel's ghost still lurks in the corridors, and has been seen at night asking "where's my willy?" (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Ooo, tongues-a-wagging, eh? That's the last thing you need, dearie. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC) ... but everyone needs a friendly ghost!
[1] EEng (talk) 20:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
A great tool for all new users, I feel... "Big hello to big Father Jack Wayne, xylophone." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC) In years to come, future civilisations will say "Ah, so Wikipedia was useful, after all."

Editor of the WeekEdit

  Editor of the Week
Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for your determination and dedication to help the encyclopedia grow. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Ritchie333 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Coming up to 9 years of service and 77,000 edits, Martinevans123 is truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia. On the surface, you may know him for his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour, which I always enjoy, but beneath the surface lies someone who toils away day in, day out, on keeping articles in better shape. He doesn't go for the big awards like GAs and FAs, but he really does make the encyclopedia better without much reward. This nomination was seconded by User:Yash! and User:MelanieN.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:
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Editor of the Week
for the week beginning February 27, 2016
9 years and 77,000 plus edits, wit and humor hide an unsung hero. Daily work at articles to make the encyclopedia better without much reward.
Recognized for
his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour
Nomination page

Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 19:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Right, that's it! Please accept my resignation! 19:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC) p.s. but many thanks, anyway. That was really unexpected. I am deeply touched. (allegedly)
The award is usually distributed on Sunday. Due to the unexpected amount of touching displayed on this page you have been penalized with an additional day as Editor of the Week. This matter has not been discussed with the other WER clerks (Are there any other WER clerks?) and cannot be rescinded or changed in any way. Buster Seven Talk 20:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm very pleased to see that you are keeping up the old traditions. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Very well deserved it for your amazing contributions! Congratulations! Yash! 20:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Haha. Well, as Debbie might say .... "I'm always touched by your presents, dear." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
  • ... as I said three years ago ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Better as part of the Charivari, I guess, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh yes. "Rough "cat" music" sounds fine to me! [2]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
We miss an article on your trophee [de], seriously! Cat music is not all there is to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, as Google tells me: "Traditionally, it is used by men in the codpiece of costume lederhosen worn." I'll see what I can do! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
It has come to the attention of the Editor Retentions' Board of Clerks that you may, perhaps, could be, in possession of a much desired and rarely displayed Official Wikipedia T-shirt. The report states that it is black with the The Wikipedia Globe prominently displayed. The report further states that you may have had your name imprinted on the front (potentially an act of vandalism). This would imply that you have already received accolades and "pats on the back" for your efforts. If that is, in fact, the case you may suffer the misfortune of having an additional day added to your week. The issue is under review. You will be advised ASAP. Buster Seven Talk 22:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
To be honest, I often do feel just like running away.... But chosing the right t-shirt can be such a delicate task (boyo) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Many many congrats M. This is well deserved - thanks so much for all you do here at WikiP. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, MarnetteD. That's very nice of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
@Ritchie333:: please confirm receipt of that large Paypal payment, which seems to have paid off this time. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I thought we were just going to settle quietly for a pony and a Greek island? Draws less attention to the taxman. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Darn it, Threesie! There's no need to make a song and dance about this. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Jeez.... talk about an "embarrassment of riches".... I now appear looking like some medieval ballet dancer, wielding a rustic baseball bat, with a low-slung Bavarian jockstrap and half-mast socks from the trenches. Do you take me for a complete fool?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I count myself very lucky to get this glittering award. A Ram Invents123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Um....the baseball bat is more of a fungo bat, actually. It's used to hit fly balls to the outfielders during batting practice. And the Bavarian jockstrap is, um, obviously for someone that is well-endowed. Plus, its a Fool card. Not a Complete Fool card. I thought you would like it. The tights have a "slimming" quality, don't ya think? Buster Seven Talk 07:14, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's me corrected and suitably slimmed. But you know what they say "... wherever the US Army goes, the fungos too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
So long as they are good herding dog socks with a royal pedigree, then hang on to them, but do keep them pulled up. Robevans123 (talk) 23:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, feck!Edit

My Mrs Doyle tribute edit

RIP Frank. Shaken but never stirred. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Now, and what do you say to a WikiCup? "Feck off, cup!" Mrs Doyle (talk) (cont) 13:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Ah, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on..... Martinhacket123 (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
Thank you for updating Tomasz Stańko's page. I was also working on it. I'm TOTALLY new in editing Wikipedia so sorry for all the mistakes I've probably made. I would love to get in touch. I'm in contact with Mr. Stańko family. They really want this page to be great. Kajetan Prochyra (talk) 08:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks, Kajetan, that's very kind of you. You seem to have a done a pretty good job, there. A big improvement. I will try and check over it later. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

"Still alive"Edit

Indeed I am.[3] I've been less than enamoured with the administration of this site, so have found myself spending time at pastures new - I think they call it 'internet dating', though that latter term can only be loosely applied. lol. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:24, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, good for you!! I actually died a long, long time ago and donated what was left of my frazzled brain to the WikiMedia Charity Drop-in CenterMartinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
I think I've heard about that drop-in centre - someone had a birthday party there. ("The place was crowded out with people - people I don't even know"). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:10, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, indeed. Sorry to hear that "Slack Alice went mad" and said that the Birthday cake was a "bread-pudding whitewashed". Ooo-ooo Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Taxes and deathEdit

Hi Martin.

With regard to this edit, and your question about tax, I believe your death would be tax deductible - Hotblack Desiato set a legal precedent for just that. (I would have posted in the AN/I section, but it's been closed.) Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:02, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

How very thoughtful of you, Chaheel. I will consider adding a codicil, in your favour, to that document I carry everywhere with me in a leather case. But fret ye not. As you may have seen, I was already tipped off by another fellow eternal hitchhiker. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:13, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Kay BurleyEdit

Hi, the link to the petition is https://www.

but it won't let me post it directly. As a novice user I don't understand why - can you help out? Thank You. (talk) 10:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I know, that source also has a global ban! We'd need to find a secondary source that mentions the total figure - often problematic if the petition is very recent and keeps growing. We'll have to keep looking. Thanks for your patience. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I see that 60,666 have now signed. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Maybe Kay would like to be forced wear a burqua for a day and see how she likes it?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)


Not everyone who walks here is dancing.

Thanks for unbiased and often humorous contributions. Just Saying ..... :) .... In times of universal deceit, seeing humour in all things becomes a revolutionary act.-- BOD -- 12:35, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Poor old Jezza. I thought that was only a professional hazard at Wikipedia. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Apologies about the several editing conflicts just then :) back late and rushing-- BOD -- 21:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Very grateful to User:Khamba Tendal for providing that BBC link. Quite a useful resource. Easy to see how things can get confused and misconstrued. I would have thought that general graveside etiquette at an event such as that would mean Corbyn may have had very little say as to where he was expected to stand and what he was expected to do. It's all quite ridiculous. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Exactly (my editing tonight was all over the place, wanted to get on to more social things). Love your lopsided index, I had to double take :)-- BOD -- 21:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I fear this saga may have all been Grave Mistake. ~ BOD ~ TALK 13:33, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, poor old Jezza, his political days are numbered, I fear. "A pathetic Daily Mail article??.... I can't believe it!" Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Darn dem pesky facebook reading sleuths. ~ BOD ~ TALK 13:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, people, "hoo noo"!!?. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
...but can't really comment, as I spend all my time drooling over pics of Jeremy in Magaluf, in his budgie-smugglers, on this site.

Corbyn - Wreath laying in TunisEdit

My edit was explained in the first edit of a group of edits, the same as Bodney did. However unlike Bodney's multiple edits (which apparently did not require explanation), my group were one edit only separated so as not to revert intermediate unrelated changes from JLo-Watson. Clivel 0 (talk) 22:08, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Your edit trail wasn't clear. Your edit summary here was "Removing non BLP material, political grandstanding, and WP:COATRACK material, all in barely intelligible English". I think the English was wholly intelligible. What was this coatrack? I think a separate edit summary is expected for each edit? Essentially you seem to have just reverted the whole preceding set of changes? What was the reason or reasons? It might be better to discuss at Talk:Jeremy Corbyn? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Actually my reasoning was only three lines down, nevertheless I should have applied it to each edit.
And it was not just a reversion, I did included some, albeit very little, of Bodney's material relating to Mohamed Sheikh, Baron Sheikh also having attended the conference. Unfortunately by reverting it, the article now appears to have devolved into what appears in some cases to be not much more than a propaganda piece e.g
" ...who Israel believe were involved in the Black September Organization which was responsible for the Munich massacre at the 1972 Summer Olympics (though none of those actively involved in the killings at Munich were buried in Tunisia) ..."
to say that Israel believe[s] when there is no doubt is putting a spin on it, so is the unnecessary rider: (though none of those actively involved in the killings at Munich were buried in Tunisia). Prior to the changes by Bodney, that sentence read:
...for members of the Black September Organization who were linked to the Munich massacre at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich
which was accurate, neutral and succinct.
Bodney also censored the quote from the widows, the real victims here, who have requested that Corbyn issue an apology, buy removing much of the quote. Despite the discussion on the talk page regarding the widows Bodney did not avail himself/herself of the opportunity to partake in this discussion, and Snowded who had taken part was only concerned with the source, not the quote itself when he wrote: Nothing should be inclued until there are reliable third party sources as to its narue and its significance and later wrote: It's a selected source designed to make a point. We could insert lots of quotes here, including accusations of hypocrisy against the Israili Prime Minister and so on. neither of which are arguments for not including it as there are plenty of sources. Clivel 0 (talk) 23:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Sorry that this is on your talk page Martinevans123, I do admit my editing was at times messy tonight, should not edit while multitasking & toothache, I made too many silly minor English mistakes.-- BOD -- 23:25, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation, Clivel 0. I think this discussion belonged at Talk:Jeremy Corbyn, but there's little point in moving it now. Things have already moved on there. I have no objection to the article's current version. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:47, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

On elementary grammarEdit

In 2012, Corbyn married his Mexican-born partner Laura Álvarez in Mexico, who runs a fair-trade coffee import business.

That it a devastatingly sloppy piece of prose because after a comma, one is given a clarification and in ',+who constructions' the word proceeding the comma is what the 'who' refers to. I.e. put thus, 'Mexico' becomes a person 'who runs a fair trade coffee import business'.

This of course is not what was intended. My 'improvement' simply clarifies this slipshod use of the comma+who construction.

In 2012, Corbyn married in Mexico his Mexican-born partner Laura Álvarez, who runs a fair-trade coffee import business.

A stylist would write:

In 2012, Corbyn went to Mexico and married Laura Álvarez. She is Mexican-born and runs a fair-trade coffee import business.

which I didn't do because I had my left cheek just under the eye punctured by a queen bumble bee two hours ago while harvesting nashi near her hive, and the nagging pain doesn't make for patience.Nishidani (talk) 14:02, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Seems Jezza has been well and truly stung also? I make a point of never editing after being stung by queen bumble bees. I think I've seen worrying behaviour at wikipedia. But make sure you watch out for those King Bees Martinevans123 (talk) 14:09, 19 August 2018 (UTC) p.s. I have my own private stylist, thanks.
I don't think he has been stung. The silly fellow should lay his cards on the table, fearlessly, and state what everyone knows, instead of crumbling like a gutless wonder towards death by a thousand promo-blows for bullshit. What everyone knows is that this is a disgraceful assault on one of the core values of modern democracy - the idea that there is such a thing, in law, ethics and modern institutions, as universal rights, whatever ministers in the present Israeli government think. Thanks for the trip down memory lane with the link to the song.Nishidani (talk) 14:33, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Dog foodEdit

We will perhaps never know when the little nigar served. Should I take it out? per the article talk page? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I generally love trivia like that, but that really is quite inconsequential (unless one is desperately searching for a DYK hook, of course). Not sure it helps the reader really understand the subject better. I would guess that the advertising agency probably didn't even know who wrote it. And, besides, it's not even decent dog food!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:14, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
I tried to please, see user talk:Drmies/Archive 115#The Little Nigar. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Ha ha. I had not peeped, honest!! Xanthy obviously has the right idea. But User:Drmies ought to know better than to promote racist dog food. tut tut Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Here's a much less studious rendition than the one, linked in the article, by Ichiro Kaneko (which is wonderful). It's by Marina Scalafiotti and it's certainly Con brio! Not exactly hi-fi (with a $5 mic), but Wholly in the spirit of ragtime, I think, and really enjoyable: [4]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

1904 - 1912 - 1901 - 1903Edit

In 2015 with this edit you produced a bit of calendrical whiplash in Salvador_Dalí#Early life.

First the birth year of 1904 is mentioned. Then the summer of 1912 is mentioned. And then the year 1903 is mentioned in relation to the birth year of 1904.

That out-of-place middle sentence was inserted by altering a ref with edit summary "(bring out of ref)". Only that put it between two sentences that shouldn't have been separated. Shenme (talk) 19:28, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

How very kind of you to remind me. Well, the clamour to correct that disaster has hardly been unbearable for the last three years. But thanks for spotting it. How would you propose we correct things? We still have that rather ugly, yet seductive, in-line link to Google Street view. Alas, whiplash is my middle name. Let's hope you get the compensation you deserve. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 27 August 2018 (UTC)


If the comment was aimed at me, I'm too stupid/tired to understand it. If it was aimed at Richie, I'm too stupid/tired to have realised it, and apologies for bothering you! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:35, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Like most of my inane comments, it was aimed at no-one in particular. (Note: "More tea vicar?" is a common expression, used in polite conversation, in many British front parlours, when the local village parson is kind enough to call). Martinevans123 (talk) 12:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

See alsoEdit

New UserEdit

Hi, why immediately delete my addition to various artists who have recorded versions of Morning Has Broken? Just curious as this is all very new to me. Thanks, April AprilShowersMayFlowers (talk) 16:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi April, thanks for asking. You added a version in the "Other versions" of Morning Has Broken, saying "Added content" and I reverted it saying "Lenny who?". Sorry if my edit summary was a bit cryptic. Your addition has two problems: 1. The artist Lenny Marcus Trio does not seem to be notable, as it has no article; 2. You provided no source to support your claim that those artists did indeed record a version of "Morning Has Broken". Unless you can establish (1) somehow, there's not much point looking for (2). Is that reasonably clear, or can I expand on anything for you? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC) since the band doesn’t have page yet, I should either create one or cite the album somehow? I don’t know why they don’t have a page but I’m not that committed. Their albums are on Apple Music, going back several years. I’m not a fan of theirs, per se, but I love this song & happened to hear their version today, searched for more info & was surprised to find that they weren’t mentioned on the Wikipedia article. No big deal. It’s extremely rare that I know something that hasn’t made its way onto Wikipedia yet & thought it would be fun to contribute something...but I doubt I’ll go to any more trouble at this point. Thanks for your prompt attention. AprilShowersMayFlowers (talk) 21:41, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

And thanks to you for alerting me to that trio. Here they are on YouTube with Moonlight Sonata. Reminds me a lot of Jacques Loussier. Here's the track you added. Very talented. Perhaps someone will create an article for them. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Glastonbury linkEdit

Worry not: this is not overlinking; due largely to the siting of the festival away from the town it is named after this is the first mention of Glastonbury as a town name, rather than a festival name, in the article. Britmax (talk) 11:11, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

My thoughts also. I was just wary as the town is accessible via the existing link to Glastonbury Festival (1914–25). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:16, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Better HeadingsEdit

What about Jeremy Corbyn and the Cemetery of Smear starring Daniel Radcliffe, except Rowlings not a fan of Corbyn. ~ BOD ~ TALK 23:14, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Fantastic Wreaths and Where to Lay Them, Jerry Potter and the PLO Stone or even Jerry Plodder and the Prisoner of Tunis? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Over my head...Edit

...huh? Atsme📞📧 14:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. I was merely suggesting that Michael Hardy might possibly not quite scrape through an WP:RFA, if he stood these days. As for the Ancestral health F-plan diet, I tend to live a basic hunter-gatherer existence, subsisting on goji berries, wild lentils and sorrel, and felling the occasional bit of scrag end when the fancy takes me. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Ahhhh...yes, I agree that things are different, but probably not for the same reasons as you. I just hope more editors will begin to realize that the trial period/term limit/mandatory recall proposal I put forward has merit. I have seen more dissension among admins this year than I have in the past 7 years, not to mention the detrimental effects of complacency, pre-conceived notions, time constraints on one's ability to conduct proper research, and the occasional poor judgment call that results in a bad block or t-ban. It's a relief to know that we still have a substantial number of trustworthy admins in the pool so my confidence level remains high. I also have a level of renewed faith as a result of the caliber of some of our newly elected admins. Unfortunately, we've lost quite a few quality content creators, reviewers, and copy editors, not to mention a noticeable lack of incentive in those who have chosen to remain. Worse yet, the WMF is promoting itself as an "advocacy", which opens the door to all kinds of special interest groups and advocacies who are on a mission to RIGHTGREATWRONGS...and like the old gray mare, NPOV ain't what it used to be. It made me think a little harder about the discussion on JW's TP regarding information warfare - it is not as far-fetched as I first thought. Atsme📞📧 22:22, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
I do agree with you, Atsme. You make some very useful points here. Jimboevans123 (talk) 09:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Your edit summaryEdit

Do you approve?[5] ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard ‑ ‑ 16:48, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Very much so Gareth, thanks. Perhaps we can find a third there? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Days of Future PassedEdit

Found an old vinyl copy of this in my collection last week - I don't think I'd played it for about 25 years. I think I was too much of an "angry rock kid" at the time to appreciate it. The article definitely needed a bit of a spruce-up. I'm curious to who the "Redwave" is on the original "Redwave - Knight" credits; that seems to have come from absolutely nowhere. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:21, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I must admit, I totally missed that. No idea. What exactly is meant by "Days of Future Passed (Media notes). Deram. 1967. SML 707"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:36, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
That's the sleeve notes from my copy of the LP (probably), which contains the basic credits, and a very "of its time" blurb about combining poetry, "beat combos" and symphony orchestras so the group "becomes one with the classics". Obviously they hadn't experienced the extreme Mellotron onslaught of In the Court of the Crimson King at that point. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:43, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Maybe a piped link to (Media notes) would be clearer? I have never owned a vinyl copy of this (although I do have a prized copy of The Magnificent Moodies!) If there's no mention of "Redwave" I guess it should go. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
That's the {{cite AV media notes}} citation template. The "Redwave" - "Knight" credit is on the label. I just don't have any further information about it other than what's there. I'm sure somebody's put a scan of it online somewhere (but of course if you linked to what's technically a copyright violation, the fire of Hades would rain down on you). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


Could you transcribe the relevant parts from around this Google Books page for me, so I can read them with my screen reader? It seems like remarkably high praise from Miles Davis here. Thanks! Graham87 05:35, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Here you go:
In Miles’s mind, he and Brubeck were not operating on the same terrain. While the pianist was a jazz star, especially on college campuses, his aesthetic was not the blues-drenched affair that the Miles Davis Quintet offered. Brubeck’s music was pale enough in its watering down of the blues aesthetic to be “sickening” – or, as Miles slyly signifies through Hawes’s comment, of a different cultural back ground altogether. On the other hand, Miles admitted John Lewis/s music very much, even though, as a leader of the third stream movement, Lewis was as genuinely interested in Western art music as was Brubeck. Davis described Lewis’s "Django" as one of the best compositions ever. A tribute to the innovative guitarist Django Reinhardt. It is almost like a poem in its economy and poignancy. With remarkable restraint and almost no concessions to the extroverted tendencies of jazz, the slow and dirgelike “Django” sustains an intensity and pathos made all the more beautiful through restraint.
Although Miles rarely played in contexts as staid as the MJQ, his feeling for their aesthetic cone be inferred from some of his collaborations with Gil Evans...
Hope that helps. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:42, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, yes, it does, and I'll add it into the article. I read about Davis's praise for the piece in this blog post, and it surprised me, because I'm sure I read somewhere (can't remember where now) that he wasn't much of a fan of the Modern Jazz Quartet. Graham87 09:10, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Very glad to help. Quite a nice quote there from the authors of the book too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC) p.s. my extensive musicological research habitual trawling of YouTube has also revealed this one by Aaron Diehl. I must say that YT is awash with versions from all sorts and all decades. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:03, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Oh why not? That link is really cool – I'm listening to it now– though the piano-playing gets rather terrifying around 2:30 or so. I've liked something in every version of this song I've heard (eve the crazy one from Jazz Abstractions) except the Blood, Sweat & Tears one ... what were they thinking?! Graham87 10:27, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Wow I've not seen that one yet! A treat in store, by the sound of it, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Actually, being a complete brass dope, I rather like that one! Not exactly commercial gold, but quite gentle and relaxing. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah fair enough. Have you tried the Wynton Marsalis version? The best way I'd describe it is bittersweet ... and the trumpet and orchestra just add to that effect. I'm not so much a fan of brass instruments because I have absolute pitch and am generally very sensitive to intonation issues, which seem to be more common on those instruments (understandably) ... but they can create some amazing music. Graham87 11:05, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Well yes, just the best jazz album ever made, bar none, in my book. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
One more excerpt if you don't mind ... from the Google snippet I can read, it seems to have led tothis film soundtrack? Graham87 11:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Here uou go:
"Django – above all Lewis’s good luck charm, the piece that made him and the MJQ world famous, the piece that led directly to the commission for his first film score; the piece most associated with the heightened level of jazz composition in the ’50s  – was played at the “last concert” in a decisive version. "Django" is a memorial homage, a cortege for the great Gypsy guitarist Django Reinhardt who Lewis first heard during the war on a weekend pass.
I was tremendously impressed. Then I heard some record he made with members of the Teddy Hill band, Including a duet with Bill Coleman that was unbelievable. I definitely got to know his music when he came to this country in 1947 To play with Duke Ellington. He came down to a club where we were working on Fifty-second Street and we played overtime to make a good impression. It was wonderful to watch the change that took place in his playing, from things that were made in 1937 to things he was doing at the time he died. He kept changing. And I was so sorry when he died. I would have liked to spend more time with him.
The MJQ received the Prix du Disque for its 1954 recording of “Django” at the American Embassy in Paris. In 1992 Heath observed, "The original version with Kenny is of sentimental value but the one in the last concert is my favourite." Here are all the elements of Lewis's skill and MJQ’s interpretive power are as one: the evocative Gypsy feeling in the main theme, recalling the Adagio of Mendelssohn’s Octet the eloquently stout bass motif; the congruence of delicacy and force, discipline and spontaneity, tragedy and joy.”
Hope my dictation app was up to the task here .Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Wow, thanks ... some very interesting quotes and tidbits indeed there! I'll add this info tonight and/or or tomorrow my time, depending on how busy my watchlist is. I've taken the liberty of making a couple of corrections for my own reference, done by Google-searching snippets of the text that I now have. I take it that the first quote is by John Lewis? Graham87 13:17, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I think it must be Lewis. It's just indented on the page with no attribution (which is page 399, by the way). Just listening to WM's version again now, which is on my original 1984 vinyl copy of Hot House Flowers. Stunning arrangement, stunning orchestration, stunning playing. He sure can hit some pretty perfect pitches. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Oh yes! On vinyl I imagine it'd be pretty nice. Graham87 13:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Keith EmersonEdit

Hello Martine, thank you for your message about my edit in Keith Emerson. I have now added the autobiography as a reference. HOWEVER... The original text said: 'His parents were amateur musicians' which is not correct as only his father was an amateur musician. That's why I corrected it and added the page of his autobiography where he talks about his 'unmusical mother', to prove that 'his parents were amateur musicians' was incorrect. Although the text is NOW factually correct, the reference I have added (p 21) does not make any sense with the new text, because on p 21 he doesn't say that his father was an amateur musician, he says that his mother was not a musician. So although factually correct, the referencing is to amend a previous version of the text which no longer appears... Anyway... I probably over-complicate things... But do you understand what I mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarianneVerity (talkcontribs) 19:50, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks, Marianne, for leaving a note here. And thank you also for adding that source as a reference as I suggested. I've added a url link to the autobiography and I've tweaked the text a bit. Hopefully we, and other interested editors, can progress from there. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


Is the video YT 3AzcU-FuF-I&vl=en free? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. Is it that time again, already! I'm not the YT expert remember, I'm the YT dunce. I'm sure there are certain admins around who would know much better than me about these things. If I had to guess, I'd say that the video had been deliberately published in the public domain by YT account "Wiesbadener Knabenchor" which acts as the "official publisher" of that own material. However, as can be clearly seen from the video description, it is attributed as "A Film by Fritz Philipp Photography, Neu-Anspach (" and I can't see a clear statement by that company that the video has been released under a free licence. So I think Wikipedia policy forces us to assume permission has not been given. But I'd strongly recommend you ask a copyright expert like User:Diannaa, who is always very polite and helpful in these matters. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I can't find a license on that video, which means it is under a standard YouTube license, which is not compatible with our license. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:21, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Diannaa. Would there be any way that Gerda could get permission directly from Fritz Philipp Photography? I would imagine the process, via Wikipedia or Commons, would be tortuous. Or is it impossible since it's already published under a standard YouTube license? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
People can change the licensing if they so desire. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:42, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, both! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Music for you, in the church with your name ;) + we are pictured in the ref, 2013 pic but better than nothing! The girl is in school now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

How very uplifting and inspiring. I found a rather nice version of the Stanford Jubilate, by the Durham Cathedral Choir, from 2015, here. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Question as above: 4CjpKfpkVns? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:21, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, as you can see from my own User page, I guessed that the same applies. But I see that MusicArt61 has gone to he bother of copying "Licensed to YouTube by The Orchard Music (on behalf of Challenge Classics)" eight separate times. So I'd be very happy to get a second opinion from Diannaa again. I see it's been there five years already. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:57, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
I am not seeing any indication that this video is released under a compatible license. "Licensed to YouTube" would indicate a standard YouTube license, which is not a compatible license. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:21, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Same music, other people: hUFRmfjU39k? - love the comment! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Um, "Spoecksl1", whoever they are, looks even less likely as an authorised copyright owner. And again no "indication that this video is released under a compatible license." The description says "Live recording of Köthener Herbst 2011." So I'd guess that's who owns the copyright here (although not necessarily). Maybe you want to contact Immo Schröder and ask him directly: [6]? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:33, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
He is the tenor, in the costume, has it also on his website which I can't properly see, and on Bach cantatas. So he will not get an article ;) - The countertenor has one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
And what a lovely wig, too. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Abduct a userEdit

Simon Adler (talk) 15:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

No pigs needed yet, thanks
Haha. I see Solway Products do just the right bit of kit. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I've ordered the intermediate. Next I want a pig ark. Simon Adler (talk) 15:26, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Haha. I assume you meant "adopt", although "adapt" sounds more fun. But don't think your dragging me up Mount Ararat, even if you do want to bask in reflected glory. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:34, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah-ha! Suddenly it all makes sense. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
You ain't seen me, right?. Simon Adler (talk) 15:40, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

It’s Zeptember!Edit

Hi Martin, I see that we had an edit clash the other day over at Jimmy Page – well, it is 'Zeptember' (according to Planet Rock anyhow)! And now I’ve just seen you again over at Rudyard Kipling. Maybe he’ll be one of the historical characters abducted by Bill & Ted in their upcoming adventure – which would be good, as at least he could settle the matter of his bl**dy nationality for us! All the best. JezGrove (talk) 22:31, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes. I sometimes think that editing a Wikipedia article is just like reading a book.... "Cycling Up A Hill" by Rudyard Peddling. *chortle*, *chortle". Or then again, maybe it's just like making love to a beautiful woman....?? --Swiss Marti 123 (talk) 22:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it’s hard when you're in love with a beautiful woman. Shockingly, until yesterday I had no idea that Shel Silverstein had written "A Boy Named Sue" and most of the lyrics and music for the Dr Hook songs. JezGrove (talk) 23:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
A shocking admission (I didn't know either). I see that "Zeptember" is used in the Masurian dialect. So I guess Rob and the lads must be big in Eastern Poland. Of course, me and Bobby go way back. Great to see he hasn't aged a bit. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:46, 21 September 2018 (UTC) ... wow, Silverstein wrote some real gems.

"Pass me that packet of Veras"Edit

You're welcome. Anytime. If you need me just reply on my talk page. Cheers! I wonder when I deserve a barnstar? Have a good day! GloriousGalaxyGal (talk) 10:57, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, you are known as the "Wiki Forces sweetheart". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:07, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

"My God"Edit

I can't believe we didn't have an article on "The Witch's Promise". Well now we do, and by pure serendipity it is, 123 bytes long. Would you care to make it a bit longer? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:58, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, you know me, a bit superstitious, so I tend to steer clear of the Scottish play. But I could probably manage to stretch it to 124 or even 125. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:12, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Turns out we had an article but somebody deleted it - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Witch's Promise. "Not notable" - yeah, apart from being a top 5 hit and an often-repeated Top of the Pops appearance. WP:SQUIRREL!!!!! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Phew! There, now done my bit. Quite a slog and so intense I think I've gone cross-eyed. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC) I might even do more later!
Just don't be dim-witted and add unsourced content, now.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:38, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Anomiebot never forgets. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Looks like it's big enough to consider a DYK now. Any ideas for a hook? Only Tull single with a Mellotron on it, perhaps? I think "Cross Eyed Mary" on Aqualung has got some on the intro, and I think that's about it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:11, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Hmm tricky. Not sure where you'd find a source for that. I guess you ought to know, as they do call you Mr. Methane Mr Mellotron? Might take a while to check all 101. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:09, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
The best source I know of is Planet Mellotron. It's just a question of convincing everyone else that "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications". Seriously, what Andy "Planet Mellotron" Thompson doesn't know about the 'Tron isn't worth knowing about and he has been name-checked as an expert in a couple of books. And you can "verify" the claim by going through the group's back catalogue and checking which singles have 'Tron on them and which don't, the PM source just makes it much much simpler. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:39, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
That's very convincing. I certainly can't think of a better one. We would have to add it to the article, of course! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
And now for some blatant name dropping .... some time around 2001 I was setting up for a gig backing a local singer / songwriter, when Ian Anderson phoned him up and asked him to support him on a solo gig. Apparently, Ian wanted to use local musicians as support for every gig. I don't know how you'd verify that as it was in the pre YouTube era. And then there was the Cropredy gig a couple of friends of mine went to where everyone was asked to play the main riff of "Locomotive Breath" on kazoo. Strange times.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:08, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Ooooh, **swoon**. Cropredy is always a great time. Have been quite a few times. A shame we don't have a copyright-compliant clip of the TOTP appearance. I see the one at YT has had 1.9M views since it was posted 8 years ago. What terrible miming - although the excellent sound quality suggests it's been re-dubbed. No sign of any keyboards (or much drums for that matter). But great to see the psychedelic effects for the Mellotron in the middle 8. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:15, 22 September 2018 (UTC) p.s. I guess a link to the lyrics would be useful addition.
I've got a feeling the miming was bad on purpose. When groups mime, the drummer usually plays a special kit that's basically all fake where all the cymbals are weighted to not move and all the toms are filled with padding so nothing makes any noise. This is why most of them look completely nonplussed and disinterested while they're "playing". Apart from Keith Moon who just took the piss, as per usual. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:09, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Well it's Anderson's antics that really stand out. I guess the grimacing and gurning suggest he's not taking the whole thing very seriously. Paul Hegarty and Martin Halliwell describe them here calls them "pantomimic facial gestures". I must say that the little bit you do see of Clive Bunker looks rather tame but completely in time. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


Hello. Assist content for Maureen Wroblewitz Thank you. (talk) 11:34, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I've got a Ibanez Soundtank DL5 delay pedal sitting on my desk here that's older than her. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:00, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm Backing Britain?Edit

Hi Martin, just saw a comment of yours over at the I'm Backing Britain talk page. Not sure if you heard today's BBC Radio 4 drama based on the I'm Backing Britain campaign, but worth a listen. It managed to skewer both Jacob Rees-Mogg's father (and by implication the Moggster himself) for his/their obsession over Europe and the dangers of a far-left infiltration of union branch meetings (and by implication the Labour Party). And all whilst channelling the sexism, atmosphere, and background film music of the period. Best wishes! JezGrove (talk) 19:42, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

How surreal. But I bet Harold doesn't get to visit a cemetery in Tunis. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Civility Barnstar
You are appreciated. 7&6=thirteen () 22:18, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Looks very 'civil'. Just reverts my explained edits. (talk) 12:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


Hi, Martinevans123. Saw your comment on the WSAN article. Agree with the sentiment. The billboard contest attracted national attention. One of the most amazing news stories the Lehigh Valley has ever seen. I covered the story for Service Electric's TV2 News and it made our news day almost every day for a half year or so. I was also a fan of WSAN in the 70s when they sponsored a concert series at the Roxy Theatre in Northampton. T. Rex, Blood Sweat & Tears, Peter Frampton, Billy Joel, James Gang, Roxy Music, Kiss... All of whom warmed up for their national tours in this 500-seat venue. Tickets were typically $1-2, never higher than $4.50. I have a pdf of the concert guide so at least I can add this almost immediately. I'll dig up the billboard story as well, plenty of sources on that. Not so much on the rest of the 1970-80 era, but thanks for calling attention. Allreet (talk) 13:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

How amazing! Maybe you can add that to an article somewhere and use the concert guide as an image? Looking forward to your additions re the billboard story. I believe it also made national US newspapers too. Many thanks for the note. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Otis RushEdit

Many thanks for bolstering his article so admirably. Damn pity it takes someone's death to occur before their Wiki article actually pay's anyone justice. Seems to happen to almost everyone - the bigging up of their article I mean, not the death itself (which definitely seems to happen...)

I would have sent you a kitten, or some fruit cake, or biscuits; but I couldn't be arsed. Best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Derek. Kitten cake and fruit biscuits can be very overrated when one suffers from "wiki seebs". I would have completely missed it had it not been for our friend Grymturtle. So we can both thank him. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:23, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Charles AznavourEdit

 On 2 October 2018, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Charles Aznavour, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Black Kite (talk) 00:41, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Au revoir, Charles. [7]. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:48, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for what you did for him, Martin. Servus, Ignaz. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Well, at least he had the last laugh on Terry Wogan. Adieu, Charles. Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard 10:19, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Adios Monserrat, - just found this beauty by Fiammetta Rocco: When the ample Catalan sings: Callas is no more; Kiri Te Kanawa is making television commercials, but Montserrat Caballe, the 61-year-old soprano with the old-fashioned style, is still the people's diva of choice - can you perhaps make it a source for Last Diva? I saw her as Salome (but she had a double for the dance ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Sounds like a truly out of body experience. Have added a quote. A very good article. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Just added this sumptuous yet delicate performance from 1971. Just beautiful. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Google booksEdit

Is there any benefit to linking to google books if there's no access to the content of a publication? You linked to Art Tatum: A Guide to His Recorded Music, but there's only bibliographic information available there. I've read that linking to google books is definitely fine if it's to a specific page, possibly fine if there's something there, but I haven't read anything about linking when there's no access to the material. Is there a discussion of it somewhere? Or, more briefly, why do you choose to link in such instances? Thanks for the other links: they'll help some readers. EddieHugh (talk) 20:30, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Eddie. Thanks for taking the time to drop by with your polite note. Access to book content via Google Books seems to vary between countries. My only motivation is that "more links are better". If you feel any of the links I have added to Google Books, or to publishers, including Universities for PhD theses, have no added value, please feel free to delete them. Furthermore, if you would prefer to just be given time to work thorough the Art Tatum article, with your excellent checking and copy editing, without the distraction of my very mundane and pedestrian edits, please let me know. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Sorry if I seemed blunt: I tend just to ask. Good point on access varying by country; it's one reason I don't bother adding links, but I've no objection to others adding them. And no: keep going with the edits, as I'll try to do from the Lester biography. EddieHugh (talk) 21:46, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
"Kewel beenz". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

File:Double Shot!.jpgEdit

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Wow. We cant spare a whole 31 KB for this already pitifully degraded image. Oh well, thanks for the link. Please reduce away at your leisure. I can recommend the opening track, "Dirty Rat", by the way (which is available on YouTube). This is a fine album which has a wonderfully home-made feel about it. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


Hi. before starting an editwar explain your revert at talk please. Seda Aznavour clearly says no Charlie exists [8]. (talk) 12:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Best discussed at Talk:Charles Aznavour, I'd suggest. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I reverted again and added a new reference (the given reference didn't mention any children anymore, as far as I could see) but I'm unsure to skeptical about Charles jr. I started a thread at Talk:Charles_Aznavour#Son_Charles. Thank you, both. ---Sluzzelin talk 13:32, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not sure a Facebook page can really be used for anything. But especially not if it's just WP:OR. I see that fr:Charles Aznavour says this:
"Marié trois fois, Charles Aznavour a eu six enfants : Seda (1947) et Charles (1952)[1] de son union le 16 mars 1946 avec Micheline Rugel Fromentin... " which tramslates as:
"Married three times, Charles Aznavour had six children: Seda (1947) and Charles (1952) of his union on March 16, 1946 with Micheline Rugel Fromentin.. "
Martinevans123 (talk) 15:16, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ magazine Biographie No. 3., décembre 2012, "… il a le bonheur d'être à nouveau père d'un petit garçon, prénommé Charles", article de Lucie Benhamou.


Soon to be a major motion picture opening near you? (Perhaps as a sequel to one about the Danish submarine guy.) Sca (talk) 16:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I would not be at all surprised. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Goulishly enough, I just watched a German documentary about a dismembered body found at a dam near Goslar. A description (Google trans.) begins, "In February 2007, a hiker at the Oker Dam (Harz) ... discovered something that did not belong there. It looked like part of a mannequin, but without the arms, legs and head. It was a human torso." Turned out a local butcher had done the deed, with help from his son. Gag. Sprichts du deutsch? Sca (talk) 16:25, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Nice. Just the thing to watch when I'm chilling in the cellar. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Ugh. I was hoping you were talking about the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna. Very artistic, if a bit musty. Sca (talk) 16:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
PS: Forgive me if I've asked you this before, but have you ever considered archiving the first 8 million words of your talk page? Sca (talk) 16:53, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
How very dare you!! I have the shining example of my icon to think of. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I learned our government must be strong;
It's always right and never wrong!
Our leaders are the finest men
And so we elect them again and again,
And that's what I learned in school today,
That's what I learned in school.
Tom Paxton, 1964. — Sca (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


This edit goes against WP:NOTBROKEN. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:25, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Love you too, Walter! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:54, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
A rousing and inspiring musical link for all those who are feeling particularly not broken: I Bind Unto Myself Today (St. Patrick's Breastplate) at YouTube - "Hi-Fi Hymn Book provides FREE downloads of pipe organ recordings of Christian hymns and service music."


Hello. Helps improvements for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. (talk) 10:19, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I wish too. But it might be like the blind leading the deaf? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Martin, that wish comes up on multiple talk pages, - I started rollback the third time. - See my talk today, for Chopin and Brahms, and yes I'm pictured ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:34, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, only my second so far. Forget about Chopin and Brahms, dearie, here are some nice make-up tips for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
  no bra no make-up
 This user supports breast cancer awareness.
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Good for you, Gerda. Well done! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Small ImageEdit

Hi Martin, you mentioned the image in the article for Jamal Khashoggi was small. There are larger images of each individual, including the photograph of Maher Mutreb which is not pictured there, on the Daily Sabah article LissanX (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Lissan. The image itself is not that small, but the 16 component images are. I'm not sure how those individual images could be added or linked. This might add weight to the argument for a separate article for the disappearance of Khashoggi, where all 16 images could be shown individually in a gallery? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:35, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
It seems you did not realize they might all be in breach of copyright. I see that they've now all bee deleted. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Civility Barnstar
For keeping your cool and maintaining a completely civil attitude, demeanor, and conduct in this discussion on Talk:Princess Eugenie - even as an IP user made numerous uncivil, heated, and troll-like comments toward you. Your continued civility and your calm response to the user after they made this comment towards you is to be commended. Most users would have stooped to this user's level and responded with equally uncivil responses and personal attacks, and I'm happy to see that you didn't.

This level of civility is a shine of brightness in what's sadly become acceptable and "normal" in terms of uncivil conduct between editors. Your ability to remain civil and not allow messages like this get to your emotions or drive you to respond back in the same manner is absolutely wonderful and a rare quality to see in other editors. Please don't let that quality about you change; It separates experienced and wise editors from the average and the new, it makes leaders out of followers, and paints maturity and wisdom among those who have been an editor on Wikipedia for a long time and that many others look up to.

Keep up the excellent work, and know that keeping your emotions and civility in-check at all times like this will help you go far on this project. I hope you don't let that quality change about you - it means far more to others than you think or could imagine :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Goodness me, Oshwah. I'm weeping softly into my crumpled hanky here. But thanks very much! Let's hope that IP editor found his CAPS LOCK key eventually. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:06, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
You're quite welcome; you deserved recognition for that. I hope so too... but fear not... we gave the user plenty of time to locate it as well as read WP:CIV while they're blocked. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
p.s. I’ve always thought that ”You Genie” was quite an odd name for a Princess. But I can get you a free pass into Ivy Cotttage for a few Tequila slammers any time you fancy!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:16, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

File:A Cut Above.jpgEdit

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Wow yes a whole grizzly hyper-realistic 64KB there. Almost as bad as printing banknotes and hanging them out to dry on Wikipedia money trees. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

You haven’t been blocked in a while, soEdit

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Where have you been? I’m missing your humor!!   Atsme✍🏻📧 17:15, 25 October 2018 (UTC) Disclaimer: Intended as humor. Pure pun-ishment. [9]

As you may have seen over at BDSM Weekly, I am just happy to quietly indulge my coulrophobia while enjoying a nice cup of Herbaria'™' calming tea. But thanks for the WTF blocks.... they will remind me of some of my favorite rogue admins. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:36, 25 October 2018 (UTC) ..... p.s. have actually been taking time out to perfect my revolutionary new pudding supplement....Ken and Brian 123 (talk) 21:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Have not seen the Weekly but get the message. I was swimming with amazement by the Herbaria spot - very well done!! And finally, I do my best to stay away from rogue admins. My favorite admins are awesome people, but I am well aware there are other types. I was missing you over at EEng’s page, especially in light of his latest gig. 😂 Atsme✍🏻📧 18:16, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I can see Dolly Parton and Carol Burnett as ideal Admins..... but not too sure about Andy Warhol and Jack Nicholson. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 25 October 2018 (UTC) .... these new fangled "gigs" will never catch on, you know...

DYK for The Witch's PromiseEdit

 On 27 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Witch's Promise, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "The Witch's Promise" is the only Jethro Tull single to feature a Mellotron? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Witch's Promise. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Witch's Promise), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Saturday ZooEdit

 On 28 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Saturday Zoo, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jonathan Ross in Saturday Zoo (1993) was described as "humour-resistant Teflon"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Saturday Zoo. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Saturday Zoo), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


Have a rose for being the opposite of humour-resistent, - happy day today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah! My favourite! A Teflon rose. At least it's not recycled. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

just clumsyEdit

Hi Martin, in the last few weeks, I have come to know you as a proud British man, so let me torment you a bit ;-) and trigger off your sense of justice : Who is the Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman? - BBC Newsnight → at 3:30 → "Fuck London, the Queen is our slave. And their police are ours dogs." Please, keep in mind my English is lousy, I don't want to come across as aggressive or carelessly offended someone. Sometimes I'm a bit clumsy. Your dear anonymous IP, -- (talk) 12:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Tut tut. I think we may need to direct MBS to this thread. Just a little harmless banter, I'm sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 29 October 2018 (UTC) ... you must have meant a proud Welsh man, surely??

Karl ParsonsEdit

I see it - was just about to adjust. Many thanks80.229.34.113 (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

No probs. Many thanks for your patience. I'm not wholly convinced by that one rather uncertain source. We don't even know if he lived at that address for a full year? Thanks for your note here anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
The 1901 and 1911 Census should give an indication - on Ancestry.com80.229.34.113 (talk) 13:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
No, I don't think so. United Kingdom census, 1901 was nine years too soon and United Kingdom census, 1911 was one year too late? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
If 1911 has the same address as the cite, then its probable Parson's was living there. (talk) 10:55, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Ah OK. Well that does help. Looks like he was there from some time in 1910 until at least 2 April 1911. The issue now is that census records are viewed as primary sources, so should not be used directly. But at least that one secondary source is supported. Even thought it's WP:OR, it might be useful if you noted your find at Talk:Karl Parsons? Do you have any kind of web link that shows that record? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Census records would seem to be independent in that they are an overview by the government. I can only suggest citing with a reference to the specific census record without a link (this is not uncommon if citing a book for example). In theory are the secondary source publishing the original material on line? Not possible to link into Regards80.229.34.113 (talk) 15:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, the difference to a book source being, of course, that don't publish real books which you can buy or get from your local library. Also you have to pay to view material at I think? I must admit, I have seen citations to elsewhere, and even sometimes to raw census records. It might be worth checking at WP:RSN. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

───────────────────────── When Ancestry distributes images of primary records it doesn't make them any less primary. See [10]. EEng 16:29, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

I see. So we currently have no sources that can be used to support his residence at that address for that period. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
If so University of Glasgow History of Art and HATII should incorporate the census into its research and re-publish the web page(s) in relation to Parsons to firm up its present findings. I've not seen the Parson census record, but in good faith he probably did live at 38 Gainsborough Road. Knowing the census record gives us more confidence in the one secondary source we have. Could we safely add a note to the cite perhaps? (talk) 12:35, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
By all means encourage them to do so. Meanwhile, an unsourced note is still unsourced? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Irish presidential election, 2018Edit

 On 29 October 2018, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Irish presidential election, 2018, which you supported in a manner that pretty much single-handedly saved a seemingly doomed nomination. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:32, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again, Martin. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:32, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

No worries, Tlhslobus, you are very welcome. Glad to see it there. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


A little late, but if you haven't heard this [11], you may want to. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Haha, thanks. More Wikipedia articles should have the option for "sung version"! But I think we can agree there is nothing very heroic about John Cleese's singing ability. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I think he agrees with you on that, but I like the falsetto at the end. And I see we have a very detailed article on it. Pythonism forever!. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Ah yes. One can't beat a good dramatic adaptation, can one. Miss Ritafairbanks123 (talk) 09:41, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Veerapandiya Kattabomman (film)/archive2Edit

Hello Martin, been a while. Sut wyt ti? BTW, Kailash29792 and I have listed this article about a 1959 cult classic film in Tamil cinema for peer reviewing with the intention of preparing it for FAC and subsequently taking it to FA. Your constructive comments would be deeply appreciated. Thank you.    — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 05:08, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi SSven2. I'll try and take a look. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:58, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


Replied to your message on my talk page. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

No worries, many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


Dear Martin, In April you undi my edit of the page, so you set the date of this drawing back at 1550. This is unfortunate, because the maker was only 8 years old then. You say I did this unreferenced, but the date was already unreferenced. If you go to, you'll find the following: "At some point between 1574 and 1577, while praying in the Monastery of the Incarnation in Ávila in a loft overlooking the sanctuary, John had a vision of the crucified Christ, which led him to create his famous drawing of Christ "from above". In 1641, this drawing was placed in a small monstrance and kept in Ávila. This drawing inspired the artist Salvador Dalí's 1951 work Christ of Saint John of the Cross." So my edit was factbased, your correction incorrect. Please allow me to remake my edit. How would I include the proper reference? (GeoRic (talk) 06:54, 5 November 2018 (UTC))

Hi Georic. Thanks for your note. Your edit in April was your only second ever edit. I have to admit that, without any indication that the year you added was correct, I was more trusting of the existing year, which had been in that caption for some time. There was also the fact that the date was not exact - "c. 1550" (to me that suggested "roughly in the middle of that century"). Yes, I see that passage at John of the Cross. The problem is that that passage has no source either. Based on what you have said, I will not revert you if you want to change the date, as it makes sense. But I suggest you add an edit summary to explain your reasoning and that you also start a discussion thread at Talk:Christ of Saint John of the Cross to explain and discuss possible sources further. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 5 November 2018 (UTC) p.s. some artistic prodigies can produce remarkable sketches at the age of 8!


Hi, Martin, I've thanked you for this edit, mainly for wikilinking TheWire to The Atlantic (thus enabling me to remove some long overdue red ink from the related citation). But I thought you just might want to know that your moving of the 'small black hole' wikilink is questionable per MOS:LWQ, due to the 'soon after' wording there. I've no plans to change it since I think it's probably best where you've put it, but I suspect some other editor probably eventually will. (Incidentally, my own addition of 'sic' to the next paragraph is even more dodgy, but I'm not too bothered if it gets amended or reverted or whatever).Tlhslobus (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

No worries. I have to admit that I had second thoughts myself about that link. Not least because, I thought, how do I know that Mary really knew what she was talking about there. I mean, since when did U.S. Department of Transportation Inspector Generals become experts on cosmology?? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Fair point, but on the plus side, having the link where you put it allows the reader to see at a glance that her sentence up to that point isn't meaningless rubbish, as the reader might reasonably assume based on the rest of her sentence.   Incidentally I have my own problems with your above-chosen cosmology expert's TV accounts of the finer points of human evolution, tho I won't bore you with the details. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:37, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
What! How very Darwin dare you!! one of Lancashire's finest minds?? (well, apart from Philomena Cunk, of course... ) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Nah, Cunk were never a Lancashire lass, as they took Bolton and the rest of Greater Manchester out of Lancashire the year before she arrived. Or at least so it says in Wikipedia, though admittedly only an idiot would believe anything you read in that publication, considering the kind of idiots who write it.   Tlhslobus (talk) 00:01, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Ah yes, Wikipedia relies on good sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:30, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Kevin and Ken citationEdit

Hello martinevans123, I found a citation for: "The final line is a reference to his recently deceased colleague Ken Oosterbroek.[citation needed]", but I have no training to do it correctly yet.

The Life and Death of Kevin Carter, By SCOTT MACLEOD/JOHANNESBURG Sunday, June 24, 2001,9171,165071,00.html

You find it at the of the article. Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 07:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


Do not accuse me of doing anything "unexplained". You clearly don't bother to read edit summaries. Start doing so. (talk) 12:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

What was your edit summary here and here? You are now edit warring against two other editors. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Are you illiterate, or are you trolling? It's one or the other. "this whole paragraph, in fact, is irrelevant. if no Australians fought at Suvla Bay, then a song about an Australian at Suvla Bay would be inaccurate. Some Australians fought there, so a portrayal of an Australian there is entirely accurate". (talk) 12:50, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
And please don't accuse me, in your edit summary, of "trolling" as you did here. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I think it might be more useful for you to open a discussion thread about this at Talk:And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda about this, instead of edit warring and throwing insults around? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
But I see you've now been blocked for 24 hours. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Battle of the SommeEdit

Hmmm, it was quite rainy there too, wasn't it. But those guys actually had to turn up, didn't they, Donald? Not sure they even had umbrellas. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

"Irrelevant edit" of the article FinlandEdit

Hey! You undid my edit in the article "Finland". Could you please explain how my edit was not relevant to be presented in the article? The bilinguality of Finland is explained later in the article, but to my mind it's confusing to name two languages without mentioning that both of them are national languages of the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alluk. (talkcontribs) 20:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Alluk.. Where did "Irrelevant edit" come from? Your edit was this. My reverting edit summary was this: "this may be a true statement in isolation, but this does not make sense inserted here, sorry". I'm not sure what else to say. Yes, one can easily guess that the two official languages are Finnish and Swedish, but I don't think the statement you added can properly be used to introduce the sentence part "next come the Finland-Swedes". I'm not opposing the addition of your statement, just how it fits with the existing text. I hope that makes sense. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


Thanks. I'll keep "SHOW MORE" in mind. Sca (talk) 21:48, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

No worries, Stan... It Ain't Cool to assume that YT is always off limits. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
You think it's cool to make me wait with baited breath for what you say
You think it's cool to be the overlord of all that you survey
You think it's clever being clever, that you wear your fortune well
You think it's cool to be the foxy one, but time alone will tell that -
But I think you already know that. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

ITN for Richard Baker (broadcaster)Edit

 On 17 November 2018, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Richard Baker (broadcaster), which you substantially updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Dumelow (talk) 17:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC) as a sourceEdit

Hi Martinevans123. I noticed that you recently used as a source for information in a biography article, Mark Williams (actor). Please note that there is general consensus that does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. (See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_153#Is_famousbirthdays.com_a_reliable_source_for_personal_information). If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 00:29, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for telling me, Ronz. His birthday seems to be still unsourced. I assume IMDB is also acceptable? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:29, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Elton JohnEdit

My Christmas is already ruined. How could Elton John have played in E-flat major with the white keys on the piano? Actually it is not impossible. Irving Berlin had a lever action piano which could transpose the notes.[12]--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:58, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it's a real thing apparently! (.... the piano, I mean, not Elton) "Is it cos I is only usin' black notes?" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC) ..."sad ads sell so much"??
I presume he used a capo? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm just trying to get my head round what a piano capo would look like..... Martinevans123 (talk) 23:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)... and meanwhile here's a lovely Hannibal Lecter potter's wheel to enjoy.....
I would have assumed from the above you'd seen Elton John... Britmax (talk) 14:50, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Just from Ian's first five words?? Oooo, Britty mate, that's well harsh, innit. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 22 November 2018 (UTC) p.s. Dusty Springfield – backing vocals!

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Wow, yes, thanks a packet Cyberpower67 Bot father.... "Yippee"!! Already busy making paper chains and hanging up bunting. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
I have heard that the delectable Dr Hannah Fry is "well up" on Markov chains and has used them to get really good at Monopoly. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh yes, hot-diggity-dog, delectable indeedy doody.... she can let me love her lace any time she wants.... (they don't call me "Thomas Oléron Evans" for nothing, you know....) Martinevans123 (talk) 23:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC) "... not 'arf pop-pickers".....
They don't call you Thomas Oléron Evans at all, m'lord. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, maybe they don't. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah right, until 23.59 on Sunday 3rd December. So that'll be in 2023, then. No rush really. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

... and this stuff cloggs talks and is never removed, while a simple link to where the info can be found by those who really don't know would do. I made my link a little memorial this year. DYK that he practically saved my wiki life? I consider to make it part of my edit notice: "have a laugh". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
That's very sweet of you, Gerda. No, I did not know that. Of course they will have to run the election all over again now, but this time with messages bearing the correct date! Ah, you couldn't make it up, could you. Can't wait. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

London Evening Standard vs Evening StandardEdit

I did some research and found both are still used, many of the most modern seller stands as recent as 2017 show the word London as do some editions. I went with the title on the publication used in the citation. My Favourite Account  😊 18:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I see. Well hearty congratulations. And I have no objections if you just want to use the style used in the citation. I guess there is no need for any strict rule on this, just consistency within an article, so that the reader doesn't start to wonder if there are two separate newspapers? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:50, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I have been racking my brains trying to figure out why I posted this to you... and I just can't. My Favourite Account  😊 02:10, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Likewise. But I guess the rack is a better option than the comfy chair. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:53, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Undoubtedly.My Favourite Account  😊 17:30, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
The Evening Standard is something of a special case, as it's been through so many mergers and demergers with other papers in whatever stable currently owns it, and usually with a name-change and a drastic change of editorial stance and journalistic style each time. I struggle to think of any legitimate reason Wikipedia would ever be citing the ludicrous Lebedev/Osborne propaganda sheet that is its current incarnation, which is notorious for writing fawning puff-pieces about their big-money advertisers and makes the The Sun look like Nature in terms of reliability, except perhaps for such things as theatre reviews. (If I were cynical, I'd say that part of the reason for the large circulation is that, being (a) free and (b) printed on relatively soft paper using water-based ink that doesn't smear, it's become something of a routine for students and low-paid workers to grab an armful on the way home as a cheaper alternative to toilet paper and kitchen towels; if I were extremely cynical I'd say that the management is well aware of this, which is why they use water-based rather than cheaper soy-based inks.)
@My Favourite Account, the reason many of the most modern seller stands as recent as 2017 show the word London is because that was a year before they dropped the "London Evening Standard" name as part of Osborne's plan to eventually take on Metro in the rest of the country. ‑ Iridescent 17:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough, but as I said, I went with the title on the publication used in the citation. As regards Lebedev and Osborne, I believe, like so many politicians throughout the world, their only concern is money and the power that brings. Part of a social elite, in control of our interests and the presentation of information. I am extremely cynical and don't see anything changing for the better until we take back control. How? I have no idea. At least the students can benefit. My Favourite Account  😊 18:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
"Soy-based inks, my arse". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
My arse, my arse My Favourite Account  😊 19:10, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
I couldn't have put it better myself. But, just to show I know the difference.... here's a great tune from 2008. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Talking of tunes, from 1996, therefore bunny rabbits ARE way cuter than chipmunks.My Favourite Account  😊 20:08, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh yes boyo, rockin'. What a complete belter. Blackwood's finest! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 27 November 2018 (UTC) .....washed down with a Special Brew

New NewsEdit

Jake Bugg has signed with RCA records according to latest news and his twitter account has confirmed. You should check yourself and add it to wikipedia. Regards (talk) 14:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. By all means copy your sources here or, better still, go ahead and add the update with those sources to the article yourself. It could then go in the infobox, although I assume he has not yet released anything on that label? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah he has not released any song from the label because it happened only a day ago though i thought that infobox should have all the latest info regardless of for how long it remains or anything. I just told you that because you are quite wonderful editor here and also it would increase your total no. of edits by 1 so you may love it. Actually i don't edit wikipedia anymore it was just because of bugg's infamous character that i edited. I have had enough from wikipedia and some of its administrators. Anyways, Best of luck for your career further as a wikipedian and wish you all the good. 👍
Yours Friend (talk) 14:46, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
That is so very nice of you to say so, IP157. I hope you will return some day. (Don't worry, my terrible spilling will ensure I'll continue to steadily increase my total edit tally!) Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
As you and many others hoped that someday i will be back, i decided to give it a another try but it clearly seems that most peoples here are just bricks in the wall.

Read my recent story now: I have made an account on wikipedia Bobby Southside. You can find this page on Bbb23 and seeing his contributions at the bottom. I was busy making a funny and unique user page on that after which i had decided to edit some pages and categorise some pages. I had planned everything. But it was only 3 hours since i joined, when he deleted my user page and blocked me indefinitely even without a warning, when asked about the reason he said that im not here to make an encyclopedia. I know that its a block evasion but you have to understand the fact that im falsely blocked since i was not given much time to do constructive edits and also prove that 1) I was not only interested in making my user page and 2) I have knowledge about editing wikipedia and its policy [which are the only conditions that apply on me]. Also there was no personal attack or disruptive editing in my user page edit. I only added a userbox containing a hypothetical person named Bobby southside and some fun facts about him that made my userbox interesting and unique. But they say that you can't. Every wikipedian has rights to construct his user page the way he wants unless it hurts someone. But that wasn't subject to any disruption. What a reception i got in just 3 hours of my wikipedian career after having done nearly thousands of edits through IP. This is the reason i never wanted to come here as registered user, i knew this would be the fate as it has been for nearly thousands of new and honest editors who were victims of the egotism of these kind of veteran editors. Yours useless friend 2409:4063:2194:697:B5CF:DED1:6607:F355 (talk) 12:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Very sorry to hear that. Did you mean somewhere on User talk:Bbb23? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Nah! When you open his contribution section, you would find at the very bottom an edit about Bobby Southside named user(which refers to me). If not at the bottom then you can click older 50s and it would be up there. No way i am liable for harming any of the wikipedia policy, i have read it all. Oh gosh! Never mind. Whenever you need me, just call me here. Always up for you.2409:4063:2194:697:B5CF:DED1:6607:F355 (talk) 12:29, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
My advice, if you were to start another account, would be to leave your User page blank, or at least with very basic information, and to make good and useful edits to articles for a few weeks. Fellow editors will judge you mainly by your Main space article contributions, not by the amusement value of your User page (and I should know, lol!) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:36, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Seems I may be caught in a mini crossfire here. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Martinevans123 Re-notifying you that Jake bugg's contract with Virgin EMI has come to close and now he is working with Sony's RCA records which has already been approved (check Jake bugg's news section on google). Hence, its a sincere request that please add this information ASAP. RegardsHardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
You're evading your block by posting from an IP. I've blocked it. Bishonen | talk 13:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC). Also the IPv6 range you post from above, 2409:4063:2194:697::/64. Bishonen | talk 14:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC).

Jamal KhashoggiEdit

Figured out how to reply. :-) I'm sorry if you feel I completely changed the intro. If you are monitoring this wiki article, I defer to your opinion.11 Arlington (talk) 00:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. It's not just me monitoring! It has quite a large editor following. With your permission, I will revert to the version immediately BEFORE your edit. And you can try again, if you want to? Is that acceptable? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Bass playersEdit

"dont get me started. only fancy the two archaeologists."

It pisses me off that the camera so totally ignores the bass player here, when its the whole point of the song. I blame Brexit and other such bollocks. Ceoil (talk) 11:38, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, perhaps not totally? At least, as someone has commented, "the tamborinist is Killin it". An interesting band. But folks would need to look hard before finding a more inventive bassist than our very own Big Norm. Yes I still blame Brexit too, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Not everybody has such a nuanced view as you Martin, alas. When I clicked the Big Nor link, half expected to see Big Vern had been shot dead trying to escape from that one last bank robbery he pulled this morning. Bloody Brexit, but least the cops didn't get him, and he made it out dead, no way could he do more porridge. Ceoil (talk) 12:03, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
"No bastard copper's gonna take me alive!" Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
dont get me started. only fancy the two archaeologists. Ceoil (talk) 13:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, I can dig that. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
I vaguely remember a magazine running a readers poll of "greatest singers of all time" which led to a viral campaign to put Stephen Malkmus at #1 ... or did I just imagine that? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:49, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
I don't think even Malkmus' mum, Ritchie, would dare vote for him as one of the "greatest singers of all time"; interesting a voice and vocalist as he is he's no damn singer. Martin, the re the aging and hairy archaeologists porn to the right; hmmm :) but not need to say this to anybody right? Ceoil (talk) 22:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Although it's a close call with Margarita Pracatan, I'm pretty sure Wing will always gets my vote. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hocus PocusEdit

It seems that until 15 minutes ago, we didn't have an article for "House of the King" (which for Focus is a pretty straightforward and enjoyable tune that even non-fans like). Care to join me in some expansion, and think of a suitable DYK hook? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:44, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Ooooh yes, an iconic 70s track. Am immediately back sitting cross-legged on a purple floor cushion with the josticks! So I added this, which seems to be fully licensed to YouTube for copyright purposes. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
It's undoubtedly the greatest Tull song that wasn't; have you got a reliable source for Bob Holness doing the clapping on the track? I'm sure he was in the studio waiting for a session to happen. Incidentally I saw Focus live a few years back and briefly said hello to Thijs van Leer (oooh, namedropping), he's a slightly eccentric but thoroughly nice chap, and he thanked his wife for giving him the motivation to go out and play live as Focus again after a long time off. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:54, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I clearly remember, as a teenager, travelling with my best prog rock pal, on the train from Newport, to the Students' Union of Cardiff University, to see them. They cancelled at the last minute. Gutted. Never got the chance to see them again. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:09, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, in 1999 somebody offered me tickets to see The Who in Shepherd's Bush. Now, bear in mind this was after all the "Who On Ice" and Quadrophenia tours, and I assumed it would be a 15 piece soft rock band, so I said "thanks, but no thanks". It turns out they had decided to strip back down to basics, with critics saying the gigs were right up there with the classic lineup (or at least towards the end with Moon) and I voluntarily passed. Talk about being in the loo when opportunity knocked..... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
As long as you didn't flush Moony's pills down the toilet, you'd probably be safe. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Donald's frappacinoEdit

Could you please explain this apparent non sequitur? IP wrote about some positive feedback loops in climate forcing related to the melting of ground ice, and you responded with a <small>ed remark equating them with Donald Trump, whose public views on climate change would appear to be contrary to those of the IP. Political jokes like that aren't particularly beneficial to discussions on the ref desks, but more importantly the joke doesn't make any sense given the context. Did you misread the IP's contribution or am I missing something? Cheers! -- ToE 14:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Political jokes which don't amuse aren't particularly beneficial anywhere, so I've removed it. My comment was directed at the OP I'm sure the Donald is a great believer in climate change. Sorry if you were confused. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 27 November 2018 (UTC) p.s. I have no reason to believe that Donald Trump secretly uses an IP address in Kurdistan to post questions to Wikipedia Ref desks. I'm sure he has someone to do that for him.
Oh, you were responding to the OP IP (, and not the responding IP ( Your mis-indentation confused me. Still, your removal is probably best, as there isn't any reason at this point not to take the question at its face value. Cheers! -- ToE 15:42, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I do apologize if my comment seemed to imply that Donald Trump was a complete imbecile with little grasp of scientific reality. The price we all have to pay for making America great again, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
??? No, not at all. Your mis-indented joke seemed to imply quite the opposite, that Mr. Trump could be compared favorably with someone (the responding IP who is able to cogently summarize some of the mechanisms and risks of climate change -- hence my confusion and original query. With proper indentation, I'd have understood that you were ridiculing the OP, and while I'd have still preferred that the question simply be taken at face value, I'd have not bothered writing here. My purpose was entirely to understand your apparent non sequitur. Done. Cheers! -- ToE 18:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh the perils of this misplaced colon when one has smalled. Done. Cheers! -- Martinevans123 (talk) 18:37, 27 November 2018 (UTC) But yes, IP is to be roundly applauded. One of my most favourite cogent IPs from the City of Zagreb in almost 2 days.

Baxter DuryEdit

Yep, The Guardian article you added does say he was six when he posed on the cover of New Boots and Panties!!... but if Baxter was born in December 1971 and the album came out in September 1977, that would make him five years old at the time, no? Hard to believe The Grauniad would have made a basic typo or error given their unimpeachable reputation for subediting, but still... Richard3120 (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

D'oh!. I'm just a wikipedia editor, you can't expect me to do simple maths. And besides, he was six when I bought my copy! -- Clevor trever123 (talk) 08:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC) please Sir, can we start using the Daily Mail again, please?
The Daily Mail? Woah, hang on... I never suggested The Guardian was *that* unreliable... Richard3120 (talk) 10:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, we don't know exactly what he actually said to David Pescheck in that interview, do we. Perhaps he meant that he "... made his first public appearance at six in the morning"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC) "I often come awake, In a wiki morning mood, And have a proper edit, Before a page gets screwed."

Placid Bees my assEdit

Took me until just this moment to figure that out. Softlavender (talk) 04:00, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I must admit I'm still trying to figure it out myself. But please keep your apiary-related medical issues to yourself. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:29, 29 November 2018 (UTC) p.s. I would give John Malkovich his kaftan back, but I need it for my weekend horseback jaunts with Donald.

Forgive me.Edit

Nothing really I can say except to apologize. Dealing with some stuff in the real world that got me on edge and you just caught me at a bad moment. No excuses, just wanted to say I'm truly sorry for the childish way I responded. Hope you are well. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 01:34, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Ho worries.No worries. You seem to be very busy all the time! I very much appreciate your message. Thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Martin what are these Ho worries of which you write? Is there something you would like to share with the group? Curious minds need to know ... DBaK (talk) 10:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Haha, lol. Well spotted. Now corrected! Fo shizzle dude. Just gonna skank up ma mean hoes in da hood, an' all. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:13, 30 November 2018 (UTC) [13]
Ah yes. Thank you for the lovely link with the young people performing their song. It's very very nice. DBaK (talk) 10:35, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
"Like a washing machine, I can wash the clothes" - it seems the young lady is gainfully employed in domestic service. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

A link between two revolutionary ladiesEdit

Dear Martinevans123 and EEng, I recently sent this request for help [14] about attempting to link to biographies, Marguerite Brazier and Etta Palm d'Aelders. The connection is made at Nicholas Bonneville, but I believe reliably sourced information might be found somewhere in a tomb on French revolutionary history. I've written to a few others, but if either of you are interested in the conundrum, your help is most appreciated. -Darouet (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Tomb or tome? EEng 00:23, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Where historical mysteries are unearthed.
I was thinking about something like this. Also sorry, I'm reading a book by Robert Tombs right now, and it's gotten into my head. Right now just word choices are being scrambled, soon I'll be campaigning for brexit. -Darouet (talk) 20:27, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah right. I was thinking of Tombs the Butler who was played, in the BBC's adaptations Jane and Jane in the Desert, by the wonderful Max Wall: [15]. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Air Embryo SD733.jpgEdit


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Rulez is rulez folks. Whether that image is about 100% relevant or not. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Relevant to what. It should be used (and isn't), that's all, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
I think it's pretty relevant to the band. But the rules on image fair use mean that it can be used only on an article about the album, which we don't have. I'm really not sure how this aspect of the fair use rule helps or protects anyone. I have commented at User talk:Aspects. But he does not seem to see any problem. Oh well. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Your friend needs help this timeEdit

Yeah yeah you would be thinking how i decided to come back. Well its a long story, don't think about it. I just want to tell you about vandalism done by two users- and TheRedundancy. These two guys have violated three revert rule as many times as infinite. I guess you can't block users but maybe you can request their block. HardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I wish I knew who you were or what you were talking about. Well, perhaps. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Hey brother, im the anonymous guy who met you after adding the name of new label records in jake bugg's infobox. But no need to worry my problem is cured.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
How do I know that? You could be anyone. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
nice point. But if i am anyone then how can i know that how you and the anonym met on wiki. I mean there is no talk left on your page which proves that. Also i did message you nearly 4 days ago in a very depressed mood and all. Is that enough? HardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
If you feel you are in dispute with another editor and that they have breached an aspect of WP policy you should seek redress with an admin. It's not generally seen as a good idea just to canvass other editor "your friends" to support your side of the dispute. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah, it seems that you haven't still came to believe me or you are upset with me something.(i think i haven't done anything wrong but if i have then sorry) I can understand. You may not like what im going to say but i really don't have faith in admins as most of them are indulged in some kind of politics and are mostly corrupt so i bring my consents to those on whom i have faith or those whom i know to be honest. Remove this talk if you have now believed it.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 14:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Dear HardSunBadMoon, you have done nothing to upset me. Unfortunately, if you have no faith in any admins at all (to a greater or lesser degree, of course), Wikipedia may not be the place for you. There are formal mechanisms for you to express your dissatisfaction with any admin. This is just the way it "works". I tend not to remove things unless they are downright trolling. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:40, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
For some admins actually. I can't do almost anything about them though. Eventually, some day you will get to know about many of the admins here on wikipedia(how they are misusing their power). But it doesn't matters to me anymore. Last question- Have you recognised me now? Please tag me in your reply.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 15:08, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Blunt admission: some of my best "wiki friends" are admins. HardSunBadMoon. I am prepared to accept that you are who you say you are (or were, as the case may be). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:16, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Hmmm... Alright man. Its time to say goodbye to you. Take care and have fun editing wikipedia(im not leaving, its just kind of way of ending the discussion). I always prefer you as one of the best person here and thats what actually matters to me. Your old friend with new nameHardSunBadMoon (talk) 15:22, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, goodbye. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
... caught in a trap? Time for this. Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard 15:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. There's no turning back. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Interestingly attractive. Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard 16:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
At least he has an article: Gui Boratto. It's from Take My Breath Away (2009), vocals by Luciana Villanova. Does have a certain satisfying groove to it. Probably helps if one has taken one or two mind-altering substances. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I've already been there. Mark Knopfler is much more to my liking. Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard 17:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@Gareth Griffith-Jones: Actually i too am a big fan of mark and dire straits. I was finding a dire strait fan from a long time. Its pretty hard to find them in my country.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 08:12, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Jack BrooksbankEdit

 On 8 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jack Brooksbank, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jack Brooksbank, husband of Princess Eugenie of York, was not given a peerage following his marriage, as there is no general precedent in Britain for a commoner to be given one on marrying a princess? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Brooksbank. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jack Brooksbank), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 12:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I never even got an invite to the evening do, down Andy's. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to listen today to Pauken and Trompeten, DYK? Tönet, ihr Pauken!, which they shall do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks, Gerda. Wonderful stuff. Here's a version by Collegium 1704, with Hana Blažíková, conducted by Václav Luks in 2011, at the Abbatiale Saint-Robert, France, during the 45th Festival de musique de La Chaise-Dieu: [16]. Just sparkling. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
... two links for LouisAlain ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Like to remember the Blažíková DYK which appeared on IWD ;) - Can't listen to music right now, still full of ours! Moar tomorrow (IV-Vi that is). The one who will conduct tomorrow was full of praise (he watched from up at the organ pictured in his article). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
And of course soon time for "Herrscher des Himmels". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
That's what we did, and what is on my mind, see playlist, and now officially added here. The rest tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Haha. A good guess there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:55, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Yay! Wiki fame!! Looks almost medieval.... haha Martinevans123 (talk) 13:09, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Look at it with more light: Rubens School. My favourite is Mary with her servant carrying her belongings on his head, and the formal gardens as the one who paid for the paintings would have liked it, and the parrot, as you can see here, among places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Well yes, I'd have to agree. You can't beat a good old Dutch master, can you? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
pictured the first day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Sounds amazing. It is so wonderful to read that it is ecumenical. And a "long-necked lute theorbo", no less. Yes, that does indeed sound quite Baroque. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
The theorbo is better seen on the other pic. I nominated the ecumenical project for Christmas, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Good stuff!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


Hi. I can't join because IPs are banned from editing Tesla article or talk pages. I'd just like to say that Fkp, the person because of who you changed your opinion is a POV pusher. Read [17] this topic which directly led to this RfC and you'll see that Fkp is just making any claim he can make to prevent this source entering the article. It doesn't seem to me that someone who has real concerns would jump so much from one reason to another reason. He's just trying to find some excuse. Furthermore, Bilseric has a good point. Unrelated to this RfC, someone has edited the article against the standing consensus puting Serbian orthodox cuhurch in the article. Fkp has no objections to that although it's factually wrong and against another RfC. But he surely does have many objections to this RfC. The other's are not much different as well. I'm sure none of them would mind Serbian orthodox curch in the 19th century and the standing consensus, but the'll find any reason against this source which is perfectly valid. (talk) 23:47, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I see. Had you considered creating an account? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:04, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I have an account, but I'm not using it when discussing with this group of editors ,because they always resort to personal attacks. Nothing will ever be good enough for them. They sayd that source is not mentioning Tesla, and now when they got source saying the same exact thing from a Tesla biography, the will not be satisfied. Either they will find other excure or ignore. You'll see. (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Is that not sock puppetry? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:22, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
No. You are perfectly legit to logoff and edit as an IP, as long as you don't edit the same articles or pretend you are 2 different persons. (talk) 17:44, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
So I guess all your opponents will know it's you canvassing here. If you have concerns that they are personally attacking you, or that User:Fkp is "a POV pusher", you need to go to WP:AN/I, not here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:58, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
You seemed objective so I posted on your talk page since I can't participate in the discussion, since I was the original editor who found the source. If you don't want me here, that's ok, but you'll see that the things I said are correct. The other POV pushers will ignore or try to discredit the very source they seeked it is nencessary. (talk) 18:16, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Now beginning to regret that I ever went to that page and expressed an opinion. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:22, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Kind regards to you as well. Bye. Sorry, but Tesla topics always turn to a mess like this. (talk) 18:30, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Just for your info, you agree with a POV pusher that has been lying on Balkan articles for years [18]. (talk) 13:57, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Russell Bishop (sex offender)Edit

Sorry, but I removed the unsourced content with this edit [19] and you added it back with this one [20] much safer to remove unsourced content completely per BLP. Theroadislong (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

It was not my intention to "add back" anything and was obviously an edit conflict. As per my explanatory null edit, my original edit summary was this: "move down +tag, but suspect this will need to be deleted". I have no problem with you removing it. I was hoping to elicit a source which might lead to a place of birth (still unsourced). Sorry if that is so contrary to BLP that it deserves a scolding. I do hope that Mr Bishop wasn't too offended. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
I must admit that the phrase "a bit of a ladies' man" looked just about as neutral as a description of Jimmy Savile as "a real gentleman". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Peace Dove ChristmasEdit

Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.
Happy Holidays. ―Buster7  23:36, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Here it comes!!Edit

Happy Holidays!
Wishing you much joy & happiness now and every year!!
Merry Christmas - Happy Hanukkah‼️

  • When does New Year’s Day come before Christmas Day?
Every year!
  • What do you call a bankrupt Santa?
Saint Nickel-less.

🔔🎁⛄️🎅🏻Atsme✍🏻📧 21:00, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hey Atsme!! Thank you very much..... "you know I ain't no fool.... I'm just upside down"! [21]. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC).....

I'm just grateful I'm not back-to-front, I guess!!

DYK for House of the KingEdit

 On 16 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article House of the King, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "House of the King" by Focus has been a theme tune on British television twice? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/House of the King. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, House of the King), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

"Not 'alf, pop-pickers!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry MerryEdit

  Happy Christmas!
Hello Martinevans123,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 02:18, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much, MarnetteD. What a thoughtful greeting. Maybe there'll be something for me from Cerys under the tree this year: "... hilarious depiction of life in the early 1960s – one young woman confesses to not knowing what the word “lesbian” means, thinking it is a kind of omelette".... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC) [22]
Thanks for the link M. Such an interesting take on things. I am always fascinated how one work of art can inspire creativity in others. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 16:25, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

A mitten for you!Edit

A mitten for you, Martinevans123!
Hi Martinevans123, Softlavender has given you a mitten!

Mittens promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better.

Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a mitten, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Softlavender (talk) 10:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


Douglas Firs can be so rude at this time of year, I find. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Well, I think you may be reading something into that, Martin. Mittens do not have middle fingers, nor indeed any fingers. Softlavender (talk) 00:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Let's just face it, none of of us know exactly what's going on in that mitten, do we. But many thanks, anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New YearEdit

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Hi Martinevans123, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia,

   –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 18:25, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas !!!Edit

  CAPTAIN RAJU(T) is wishing you a Merry Christmas!

This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the Christmas cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.


Viggo Johansen: Happy Chrstmas (1891)

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.

- Sca (talk) 21:38, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Super Christmas!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

  John FaheySca (talk)


  None-more Gothic Seasons Greetings  
Wishing you all the best for x-mass, hope it is a time of, some but not too much, cheer. Ceoil (talk) 22:19, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much. This is by far the most artistic greeting I am likely to get this year! oooh, almost as Gothic as .... Game of Thrones. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:59, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm a bit upset nobody is getting my Spinal Tap ref. I had though you were king of references, man. What happened to you? ps, yes Content Provider is amazing. Ceoil (talk) 23:21, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

where the dogs are dry and dustyEdit

from oz the dusty deserts that keep us dry, have a snowy one for us - gday and appy christmas from downunder - may your sense of humour drive you well through 2019 JarrahTree 23:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Things were so much nicer back in 1961. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:04, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
:) JarrahTree 00:05, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:11, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

Unless you are David Slater. A while back I came across this Christmas card and thought straight away that it was Naruto from the Monkey selfie copyright dispute. Slater probably didn't get a penny for this. As previously discussed, my Christmas was ruined when Elton John played in E-flat major with the white notes. The problem is now fixed, here is what he actually plays. Finally, the Christmas lights which are even more complicated this year (click "Download" to watch the videos).--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:11, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Post Brexit, those lights are just going to get worse, I fear. But many thanks anyway. By the way... I'm not your monkey man. (Peter Kirtley (guitar), Steve Lamb (bass), Dave Sheen (drums) live at the Alabama, Munich, Germany, 1984) Martinevans123 (talk) 11:54, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry ChristmasEdit

  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Martin, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Rodney Baggins (talk) 13:51, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Cheers, Rodders. Iechyd da. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!Edit

  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Martinevans123, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Walk Like an Egyptian (talk) 05:47, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Many thanks, Walky. Christmas bangles to you. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas MartinEdit

Season's greeting to Mr.Martinevans123 and well wishes for the upcoming year

Credit:Clarityfiend HardSunBadMoon (talk) 06:41, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks, HardSunBadMoon. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

La Cheminée du Roi RenéEdit

Hi Martinevans123,

Regarding a recent exchange, let me present to you - as a sign of Internet friendship - this piece by D. Milhaud that perhaps you may not be aware of, which I doubt anyway. Yours, LouisAlain (talk) 21:06, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Dear LoisAlain, I can assure you I was wholly unaware of Darius Milhaud until now. Thank you so much. It is totally charming. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Sister WendyEdit

 On 27 December 2018, In the news listed the article Sister Wendy, which you updated, so many thanks for your contributions. For details of the discussion, please see the candidates page. Andrew D. (talk) 10:31, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
Affectionately known, in our house, as Sister Bendy Weckett. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Ok. We could use an image for the article. As you're familiar with her, what do you think of this image which I found on Flickr, please? It has a CC licence but I'm not sure that it's the same person. Andrew D. (talk) 11:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't say "familiar" in the Biblical sense. What a very odd picture. Even if cropped, I'm not sure it would do Sister Wendy justice. She seems to have three hands. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Images do seem to be in rather short supply. The only other candidate I could find was her as a Playmobile figure. Probably not very suitable. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
There are a few others on Flickr, with all rights reserved, including this one from 2012 with Phil Tufnell. I wonder could the Barber Institute be persuaded to release it into the public domain but adjusting the Flickr tag. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:41, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Today, I searched for refs for Amos Oz, someone beat me to nominating, and I don't find a ref for an early school, sigh (one that doesn't look like a mirror). It's a shame we don't mentioned him hours ago, - what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Halleluja, a ref is there now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Only hours? Count yourself blessed! As you may know, I find DYK RD quite dysfunctional. I've even thought of suggesting that in order to make any !vote, an editor ought to have to make at least one edit to improve the article. The tacit assumption, that the nominator(s) are responsible for improving the article and then presenting it for RD nomination, seems to have long disappeared. And even when "fully improved", articles often languish for many hours, or even days before they are posted. It's no wonder folks don't bother. Sorry to be such a grinch. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, - at least I feel less alone in the grinch corner. I was at Paulskirche when he received the prize, and still remember. He died yesterday, and here we had a chance to follow promptly, - sigh. My last suggestion was archived without a single comment, - I have him nominated for DYK now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Well done for your persistence, Gerda! I'm sure he deserves a mention on Main page somewhere. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Bernstein, yes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Amos Oz appeared. His name means courage. Talk to discouraged LouisAlain please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
A bit late, of course, he had five-digit page views for 2 days already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Talking about recognition, for nominator and updaters? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I think I was, yes! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:06, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on her article M. She was such an intriguing teacher. She was the first person to make me aware that The Church at Auvers did not show its doors. Did you ever see the parody Sister Randy? Here is one of her treats. I think of her as an affectionate tribute but I can understand how others might be offended. My apologies if that is the case. MarnetteD|Talk 21:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Haha. Sister Windy had legs?! Wow, who knew. I think you knew, MarnetteD, that I'm not so easily offended. I have never seen that series before and it's very witty. They kindly forgot the teeth and the cute R mispronunciations! I found Sister Wendy a breath of fresh air because she had never been been to University to get a degree in art history. I'm not sure that's just tobacco that Randy is smoking.... "From dust bunnies you came and to dust bunnies you shall return" --Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
You are right about Sister Wendy and I'm glad you enjoyed Randy. You so often provide links to fun and/or informative items that it is nice that I have been able to return the favor. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 00:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Hah you did it again with the new link to the tobacco and art article which I had never seen before! Now I wish there was a way to get SR into that article. Frivolous of me I know :-) MarnetteD|Talk 03:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Frivolous!? That's the sort of trivia quest that I'd take a week to nail down. I reminded myself of Breaking Bad S3 E12 with my earlier mention of that 1967 classic. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Arise, Sir John EltonEdit

What caught my eye was that when he was receiving the honour in February 1998, he was announced by the Lord Chamberlain as "Sir John Elton".[23] We now name the guilty person, it was Thomas Stonor, 7th Baron Camoys who did this because he was Lord Chamberlain in 1998. I wonder if afterwards he said sorry, which seems to be the hardest word.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:49, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Let's hope he didn't burst into Wind in the Candle. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:53, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
My favourite quote from Sir John Elton is here: "Elton John has always taken a principled view of his relationship with the press. 'They can say I'm a fat, old sod,' he once said. 'They can say I'm an untalented bastard. They can call me a poof. But they mustn't lie about me." And who would ever do a thing like that?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:18, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I think it's time the lead section of his Wikipedia article described him as "a fat, old, untalented, bastard poof." After all, That's What Encyclopedias Are For. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Indeed, as C. P. Snow so wisely observed, "Comment is free. Facts are sacred." So when The Sun said that one of Elton John and David Furnish's dogs caused serious injury to a girl, they took legal action for libel and won.[24] Anyone might think that The Sun had a thing about Elton John and David Furnish.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:36, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Who knew a spaniel could be quite so nasty. "Bite your lip (get up and sue!)". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Having seen the photo here, I would hope that Freddy Krueger could have managed a lot better than this. "I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog, too!" (sorry, wrong film). It's also worth pointing out that the spaniel incident occurred in February 2016 [25] so it was exactly two years before The Sun on Sunday found out and made the obligatory hoo-ha over it. Still, better late than never.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:14, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Although spaniels are not as vicious as those horrible little westies (allegedly). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

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It's all too difficult. I give up. Quite frankly, I think that's probably the best image you are likely to be offered for that article. If you can't even tell me what's wrong with it, then I guess the reader will just have to do without anything at all. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

You've been ignoring too many rulesEdit

And that's apparently why no one has wished you Happy New Year. When we said "All Rules" we didn't mean "all rules". Why is this so hard to understand? Softlavender (talk) 06:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Just a get a groove on, Softy! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:43, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
I'll allow it. Gotta love a New Years song I can dance to. Softlavender (talk) 09:50, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
I went to the shops yesterday looking for a helium balloon with "Happy New Year!" on it, but they had sold out. The trick is to buy them uninflated in advance, then ask them to blow it up when you need it. So we'll have to make do with this photo. The lady in the shop then said "We've got silver helium balloons in the shape of numbers, you could make "2019" with them." This was a clever suggestion which hadn't occurred to me, because it would have required buying four balloons instead of one. They did have rubber balloons with "Happy New Year!" in the shop, but I couldn't be bothered blowing them up.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Sounds like the sort of shop that would sell you 2019 candles. They must make a mint. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Happy 2019 – a Time for thanks and praise, - nobody wishing you well, both ;) - anybody to fill the red link while I go out? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Plenty of online shops sell balloons spelling out 2019.[26]. But I would have been happy with just the one.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, always better to go for something really unique. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:57, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Unique enough for me to have the TFA and the pictured DYK, with "my" music, and Amos Oz remembered ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
A very impressive combination, Gerda! Well done.Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

Thank you for brightening many of my days last year, Martin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Gwin poeth sbeislyd i chi ...Edit

... gan yr hen Gymro; rwy'n gobeithio eich bod wedi cael gwyliau Nadolig gwych ac rwy'n dymuno 2019 heddychlon i chi!
That is Welsh and translates to:
Spicy hot wine for you from the old Welshman; I hope you have had a great Christmas holiday and I wish you a peaceful 2019!
Thank you for your excellent work on the 'pedia.

Sincerely, Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:50, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Do the first six not count? But thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:15, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I am slow in noticing ;) - First edit day is a different thing. Can you help me helping LouisAlain finding refs? Several of his articles were made drafts just because refs are missing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:50, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I will try and take a look. Any articles in particular? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:51, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I can go to his most recent archive and look for "draft" in headers, and copy them, but so could you ;) - I took care of Marianne Schech and Hetty Plümacher (who were not made drafts, but tagged citations required). I am slow and go on a pace of one article per day, while he seems to produce five ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Comme ça? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:22, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Oui. Like this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Et maintenant.... j'ai du pain sur la planche! Have copied all that from fr-wiki, but there were no in-line sources haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
That's the problem. French and German articles have few if any inline citation, - they rely on books. Don't think the one I sprinkled was there before, - you have to find one. To be more precise: the book was there as Literatur, but you still have to find the page number and link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah ja, ich sehe, alles ist klar. Vielen Dank. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Last call for Christmas decoration, both English and German. - I heard a great soprano as Bellini's Elvira, - RTscLwCRliQ - see? Will translate Czech article without knowing a word of that language ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Tredegar HouseEdit

Happy New Year, Martin. Heavens, six years on from you and I arguing with an IP over whether TH was in Monmouthshire, and it remains a p*ss-poor article. I know architecture collaborations aren't your thing, but I hope someone's interested. While I'm here, if you do find yourself at a loose end, Sissinghurst Castle Garden is up for Peer Review, here, [27], and my co-nominator and I would much appreciate any comments/suggestions/corrections. And while I'm round with the begging bowl, Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire is only 8 photos short of a full house. Should you happen to be out with the box brownie. I'm determined we'll have Monmouthshire lists with images and articles for each Grade I and II* - something I don't believe exists for any other Welsh or English county! Not that I'm competitive. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 14:56, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

p.s. Have just noticed your Category. Why on earth are you looking to be adopted? I'm assuming it is this way round, rather than your offering to adopt? One shudders to imagine the wholly-inappropriate advice you'd hand out to some innocent newbie! KJP1 (talk) 15:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I'll have you know that I've argued over some of the very worst p*ss-poor articles ever. And proud of it too, of course. As for the adoption scandal, feel free to blame Irondome (as the rascal was then known. I think). Meanwhile, I do hope we can eventually see Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire with nothing left to be desired. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Alastair AppletonEdit

First of all, many thanks for your edits to the article on Alistair Appleton. I hope you do not mind, but I changed BBC Two to BBC One. Escape to the Country goes out on BBC One on Sunday afternoon, so I thought this would make sense. Vorbee (talk) 09:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Vorbee. The Escape to the Country article suggests it appears on both BBC Two and BBC One. So maybe we should have both channels there? Or else just put "BBC" to be simpler? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Or would that be an example of Muntzing? – Sca (talk) 14:20, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Well yes maybe, haha. A risk I am prepared to take. Let's all embrace lean thinking. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Muntzing isn't necessarily a bad thing. It worked for Madman Muntz. Sca (talk) 15:00, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Wow. Quite a visionary. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Our first TV, in about 1951, was a Muntz with a 'giant' 21-inch screen. It worked for decades, eventually winding up in the basement "rec room." Sca (talk) 15:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for above comments. As Escape to the Country is sometimes on BBC One and sometimes on BBC Two, I have changed the article on Alistair Appleton now so that it just says that "Escape to the Country" is broadcast on BBC television. Vorbee (talk) 18:15, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

  • I have just read what muntzing is in the article on muntzing, and fail to see why changing BBC One or BBC Two to BBC television could be seen as an example of muntzing. Vorbee (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I think the basic idea was "minimum required for it to function" i.e. we don't need to specify which channel, just "BBC"? I think perhaps SCA was just a trifle frivolous, as is also my wont occasionally. But I ended up learning something, so I'm quite grateful. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:23, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


I do admit to being a bit of a fan of Alice Roberts' documentaries on evolution, genetics and ancient history - it's just the text I took out looked far too much like a personals ad in my view. I just can't see the same being written about, say, Billy Connolly, even though he's got a much stronger association with cycling. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I can see what you're saying. I'd also want to avoid that Hello-type of sleb trash like "her favourite colour is purple and she loves mango yoghurts". I was just struggling to find actual policy on this. If you wanted to remove again, I will not revert you! Goodness me, we don't want to make it look like we actually live next door, do we. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Actually I was more interested in trying to find something to say about the Big Yin and bikes that wasn't that joke, but I'm struggling - wasn't there a film in the 1970s that showed him cycling all over Scotland? It was long before the motorbike trips. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah right. Sorry for steering away there. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Salt-Water Poems and BalladsEdit

Frederick Keel set three of the poems, but "Trade Winds" is by far the most famous of those settings. Here's Bryn Terfel singing the whole cycle. Narky Blert (talk) 15:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Narky. With Malcolm Martineau too. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

unsourced DoBEdit

Swiftly undone, not afforded Wikipedia:Assume good faith? I had left off the direct link for privacy as her business was formed at the couples' home in Sale. (talk) 23:42, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

I've opened a thread at Talk:Dianne Oxberry to explain/ discuss.Sorry if you feel aggrieved, but non-sources in edit summaries don't really count. Please comment over there? Any suggestions welcome. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:02, 12 January 2019 (UTC) p.s. all I can see for Oxberry at Companies House is "August 1967".
They redact the day of the month nowadays, but PDF scan of Incorporation document gave an exact date and her husband was Secretary. The date ought to be correct, just drill down to Filing history. However, I fail to find any corresponding hit to prove those are her birth name(s). (talk) 00:26, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

The Nov date is now published in the Sun! Unearthed support of earlier change in an unremarkable place, to 'skirt' policy. (talk) 01:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

We can't use The Sun as it's a tabloid. Perhaps they copied the date from here? But the Twitter sourced written by Oxberry herself looks quite convincing. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:29, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

RE: Tommy CooperEdit

Hi Martin. When I said "Most articles" I meant UK bios as a whole. Most articles I've seen tend to omit the UK as a place of birth or death, just listing the constituent country instead. For example, George Best's page states he was born in Northern Ireland and died in England. I don't think there's a particular MoS policy regarding it, just as I said, a matter of consistency. I may be wrong though. Samuel J Walker (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

OK, so how many have you seen? Or maybe any attempt at consistency in infoboxes, for use of UK constituent countries, is a waste of time. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) I would agree with Samuel J Walker, particularly in this case -- "London, England" makes much more sense than "London, UK". Constituent countries seem to generally be listed in infoboxes, particularly in the case of devolved member countries (which doesn't happen to be the case in the current example, but maybe that proves the overall point). Softlavender (talk) 06:59, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, I see that Template:Infobox person says:
"For modern subjects, the country should generally be a sovereign state; for United Kingdom locations, the constituent countries of the UK are sometimes used instead, when more appropriate in the context."
Which kind of begs the question of what is that "context"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Generally natives of Scotland identify as being Scottish unless the family moved quickly, or (as an actor or broadcaster, etc.) they moved as an adult and didn't retain their Scottish accent. The same is usually true for NI; I can't speak for Welsh natives but maybe you or Gareth Griffith-Jones can, plus if a town name is clearly in the Welsh dialect language it's advisable to indicate it's in Wales rather than simply "UK". Also, I've rarely heard or read references to "London, UK", whereas references to "London, England" are nearly ubiquitous -- so that's the context for that. Softlavender (talk) 09:58, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
The "Welsh dialect"? Oh! What's occurrin'?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah, yes. Place-name signs in Wales are all, by law, in English and Welsh. But never in Wenglish. I'd be very surprised indeed, however, to see Welsh place names, written in Welsh, in any infobox on English Wikipedia. I'm not sure if Tommy Cooper ever strongly self-identified as Welsh, or English, as opposed to British. Martinevans123 (talk)
I'm talking about town names like Aberystwyth, Blaenau Ffestiniog, Cwmamman, Cwmbran, etc. It's Cooper's death place (not his birthplace) that was in question here. By the way I think that infobox template documentation is altogether inane; in the body text of most any article anywhere on Wikipedia, biography or otherwise, we generally name the constituent country when referring to any British town or city where we name/add a country; why should that information be tossed out the window in an infobox? It makes no sense (to me). Wikipedia is for readers, and should offer the most specific and informative data possible. In bios, the lede sentence can say "British" (if that's how they identify), but the infobox and body text should specify the specific constituent country. Anyway, I'm trying to find who added or created that wording in the template documentation, but I can't figure it out because it's a transclusion and I can't find the transcluded template. (Also, the language in that template isn't even internally consistent: In the "Parameters" section, "birth_place" says "city, administrative region, country"; but in the "TemplateData" section "Birthplace says "city, administrative region, sovereign state".) Anyway, I think the wording of the instructions about the United Kingdom should be altered to reflect standard common usage. Softlavender (talk) 12:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
A very good idea. You have my support. But Aberystwyth is spelled "Aberystwyth" in English and "Aberystwyth" in Welsh? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 16 January 2019 (UTC) (.... although, admittedly, the Welsh spelling of Cwmbran is Cwmbrân)
I have been considering the fact that the anglification of Aberystwyth never happened. I suppose you could say the same about Abergavenny—but I am guessing that trips off the English tongue easily and the conquering English didn't bother. Nice to get your involvement. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:10, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Taiwan, anyone?? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC) ... but not sure why we have that jolly Irish diddly-i music going on there, instead of some nice harps or male-voice choirs...... and who did they get to exemplify Llanfair PG ...some Polish guy??


Hi Martinevans123 and thanks for your support in rough seas. LouisAlain (talk) 16:15, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

"Be polite; write diplomatically; even in a declaration of war one observes the rules of politeness." ― Otto von Bismarck.
No worries. Editing at Wikipedia isn't always a pleasure cruise, is it. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Rough sea indeed... LouisAlain (talk) 19:47, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
"When you're rocked on the ocean, rocked up and down, don't worry
When you're spinning and turning round and around, don't worry
You're just feeling sea-sick, you're just feeling weak
Your mind is confused and you can't seem to speak
It's just the motion, it's just the motion." - Richard and Linda Thompson
..... well, either that or someone's kindly looking over you, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 18 January 2019 (UTC) is reminded of that old traditional French folk ballad, of which the earliest printed example is found in the book Parodology (1927). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:54, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
..... or even this classic by that nice Mr Robbie Zimmerframe:
"While preachers preach of evil fates
Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to hundred-dollar plates
Goodness hides behind its gates
But even the president of the United States
Sometimes must have to stand naked."

Talking HeadsEdit

Stop changing "were" back to "was" in the Talking Heads article. Just because they are an American band doesn't mean it's a singluar name, look at articles like The Doors, The Smashing Pumpkins or Red Hot Chili Peppers, who are all used as plural nouns than singluar, and you think it's not okay to use that example in the Talking Heads article? Well fuck you! (talk) 00:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

So I just did. "The Doors was an American rock band formed in Los Angeles in 1965". ?? Martinevans123 (talk) 00:14, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
I think this may end badly for you. Especially with the abuse. "Still, I believe what's correct and incorrect over you." isn't the most convincing edit summary rationale, is it? Martinevans123 (talk) 00:19, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Maggie SmithEdit

Correct! Maggie Smith has had an extensive career! (talk) 15:03, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

You just claimed she had died? You need to provide a pretty good source for that. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:05, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
And what's all this about? A distant relation perhaps? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:08, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Martin, You really are routing out the idiots today in this (was not sub-sectioned) and the one immediately above this. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Deeply flattered, old boy. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:14, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
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