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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Martin, As you archive so regularly (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 11:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. A lovely picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
I have made a little seasonal update - hope you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Not at all. The snow has almost vanished.
A Christian feast commemorating the resurrection of Christ; the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox, neither earlier than March 22 nor later than April 25.
I hate this BST ... why can't we stick with good old GMT? (... it follows the sun after all)
Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
now, I ask you, what kind of alphabetical (or significance) order is that?!!
Yours, aye John Lemon
Have always loved that record. Good compilation of photographs ... who is the geezer in the middle — at 1 min 32 secs? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
For some reason, he always reminded me of Nixon!
Oh! Of course. I knew that really –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


Wiki JukeboxEdit

... my own personal permanent fixture tribute...
You turn your back for a just a second and some strange Swedish person sneaks in and steals your records!!

Please don't donate generously any more (.... and add whatever you like!!):

Jukeboxland - never try and sneakily enter at your own risk
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

All deleted, on the advice of User:Fram, in case there is a copyright problem.

Blocks all round?Edit

"They've got womanly breasts under pale mauve vests,
Shoes like dead pigs' noses,
Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers,
A mouth what never closes."
Please, Mr. Admin-robot, don't be a Blockhead.
Oi! Oi! ... Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers, A mouth what never closes...
Their shapeless haircuts don't enhance, Their ghastly patterned shirts.. (allegedly)

"I'm a tail dragger, I wipe out my tracks"

  • What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back? A stick!
  • I couldn't quite remember how to throw a boomerang, but eventually it came back to me.Boing
  • The other day I held the door open for a clown. I thought it was a nice jester.clown

Father Jackum's polyphonic retort generatorEdit

Enjoy (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

"OMFG". Not seen you for a while, Dot! I thought you'd been sent down for at least 30 years for giving Nasty Nick his last ever WP:GAR. But what a lovely musical gift! Hours of Manchester fun. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a lot of malicious tongues round 'ere, and you know me, I ain't one to gossip, but apparently Ethel's ghost still lurks in the corridors, and has been seen at night asking "where's my willy?" (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Ooo, tongues-a-wagging, eh? That's the last thing you need, dearie. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC) ... but everyone needs a friendly ghost!
[1] EEng (talk) 20:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
A great tool for all new users, I feel... "Big hello to big Father Jack Wayne, xylophone." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC) In years to come, future civilisations will say "Ah, so Wikipedia was useful, after all."

Editor of the WeekEdit

  Editor of the Week
Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for your determination and dedication to help the encyclopedia grow. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Ritchie333 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Coming up to 9 years of service and 77,000 edits, Martinevans123 is truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia. On the surface, you may know him for his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour, which I always enjoy, but beneath the surface lies someone who toils away day in, day out, on keeping articles in better shape. He doesn't go for the big awards like GAs and FAs, but he really does make the encyclopedia better without much reward. This nomination was seconded by User:Yash! and User:MelanieN.

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9 years and 77,000 plus edits, wit and humor hide an unsung hero. Daily work at articles to make the encyclopedia better without much reward.
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Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 19:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Right, that's it! Please accept my resignation! 19:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC) p.s. but many thanks, anyway. That was really unexpected. I am deeply touched. (allegedly)
The award is usually distributed on Sunday. Due to the unexpected amount of touching displayed on this page you have been penalized with an additional day as Editor of the Week. This matter has not been discussed with the other WER clerks (Are there any other WER clerks?) and cannot be rescinded or changed in any way. Buster Seven Talk 20:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm very pleased to see that you are keeping up the old traditions. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Very well deserved it for your amazing contributions! Congratulations! Yash! 20:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Haha. Well, as Debbie might say .... "I'm always touched by your presents, dear." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
  • ... as I said three years ago ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Better as part of the Charivari, I guess, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh yes. "Rough "cat" music" sounds fine to me! [2]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
We miss an article on your trophee [de], seriously! Cat music is not all there is to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, as Google tells me: "Traditionally, it is used by men in the codpiece of costume lederhosen worn." I'll see what I can do! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
It has come to the attention of the Editor Retentions' Board of Clerks that you may, perhaps, could be, in possession of a much desired and rarely displayed Official Wikipedia T-shirt. The report states that it is black with the The Wikipedia Globe prominently displayed. The report further states that you may have had your name imprinted on the front (potentially an act of vandalism). This would imply that you have already received accolades and "pats on the back" for your efforts. If that is, in fact, the case you may suffer the misfortune of having an additional day added to your week. The issue is under review. You will be advised ASAP. Buster Seven Talk 22:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
To be honest, I often do feel just like running away.... But chosing the right t-shirt can be such a delicate task (boyo) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Many many congrats M. This is well deserved - thanks so much for all you do here at WikiP. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, MarnetteD. That's very nice of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
@Ritchie333:: please confirm receipt of that large Paypal payment, which seems to have paid off this time. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I thought we were just going to settle quietly for a pony and a Greek island? Draws less attention to the taxman. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Darn it, Threesie! There's no need to make a song and dance about this. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Jeez.... talk about an "embarrassment of riches".... I now appear looking like some medieval ballet dancer, wielding a rustic baseball bat, with a low-slung Bavarian jockstrap and half-mast socks from the trenches. Do you take me for a complete fool?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I count myself very lucky to get this glittering award. A Ram Invents123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Um....the baseball bat is more of a fungo bat, actually. It's used to hit fly balls to the outfielders during batting practice. And the Bavarian jockstrap is, um, obviously for someone that is well-endowed. Plus, its a Fool card. Not a Complete Fool card. I thought you would like it. The tights have a "slimming" quality, don't ya think? Buster Seven Talk 07:14, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's me corrected and suitably slimmed. But you know what they say "... wherever the US Army goes, the fungos too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
So long as they are good herding dog socks with a royal pedigree, then hang on to them, but do keep them pulled up. Robevans123 (talk) 23:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, feck!Edit

My Mrs Doyle tribute edit

RIP Frank. Shaken but never stirred. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Now, and what do you say to a WikiCup? "Feck off, cup!" Mrs Doyle (talk) (cont) 13:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Ah, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on..... Martinhacket123 (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Veerapandiya Kattabomman (film)/archive2Edit

Hello Martin, been a while. Sut wyt ti? BTW, Kailash29792 and I have listed this article about a 1959 cult classic film in Tamil cinema for peer reviewing with the intention of preparing it for FAC and subsequently taking it to FA. Your constructive comments would be deeply appreciated. Thank you.    — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 05:08, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi SSven2. I'll try and take a look. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:58, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


Replied to your message on my talk page. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

No worries, many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


Dear Martin, In April you undi my edit of the page, so you set the date of this drawing back at 1550. This is unfortunate, because the maker was only 8 years old then. You say I did this unreferenced, but the date was already unreferenced. If you go to, you'll find the following: "At some point between 1574 and 1577, while praying in the Monastery of the Incarnation in Ávila in a loft overlooking the sanctuary, John had a vision of the crucified Christ, which led him to create his famous drawing of Christ "from above". In 1641, this drawing was placed in a small monstrance and kept in Ávila. This drawing inspired the artist Salvador Dalí's 1951 work Christ of Saint John of the Cross." So my edit was factbased, your correction incorrect. Please allow me to remake my edit. How would I include the proper reference? (GeoRic (talk) 06:54, 5 November 2018 (UTC))

Hi Georic. Thanks for your note. Your edit in April was your only second ever edit. I have to admit that, without any indication that the year you added was correct, I was more trusting of the existing year, which had been in that caption for some time. There was also the fact that the date was not exact - "c. 1550" (to me that suggested "roughly in the middle of that century"). Yes, I see that passage at John of the Cross. The problem is that that passage has no source either. Based on what you have said, I will not revert you if you want to change the date, as it makes sense. But I suggest you add an edit summary to explain your reasoning and that you also start a discussion thread at Talk:Christ of Saint John of the Cross to explain and discuss possible sources further. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 5 November 2018 (UTC) p.s. some artistic prodigies can produce remarkable sketches at the age of 8!


Hi, Martin, I've thanked you for this edit, mainly for wikilinking TheWire to The Atlantic (thus enabling me to remove some long overdue red ink from the related citation). But I thought you just might want to know that your moving of the 'small black hole' wikilink is questionable per MOS:LWQ, due to the 'soon after' wording there. I've no plans to change it since I think it's probably best where you've put it, but I suspect some other editor probably eventually will. (Incidentally, my own addition of 'sic' to the next paragraph is even more dodgy, but I'm not too bothered if it gets amended or reverted or whatever).Tlhslobus (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

No worries. I have to admit that I had second thoughts myself about that link. Not least because, I thought, how do I know that Mary really knew what she was talking about there. I mean, since when did U.S. Department of Transportation Inspector Generals become experts on cosmology?? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Fair point, but on the plus side, having the link where you put it allows the reader to see at a glance that her sentence up to that point isn't meaningless rubbish, as the reader might reasonably assume based on the rest of her sentence.   Incidentally I have my own problems with your above-chosen cosmology expert's TV accounts of the finer points of human evolution, tho I won't bore you with the details. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:37, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
What! How very Darwin dare you!! one of Lancashire's finest minds?? (well, apart from Philomena Cunk, of course... ) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Nah, Cunk were never a Lancashire lass, as they took Bolton and the rest of Greater Manchester out of Lancashire the year before she arrived. Or at least so it says in Wikipedia, though admittedly only an idiot would believe anything you read in that publication, considering the kind of idiots who write it.   Tlhslobus (talk) 00:01, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Ah yes, Wikipedia relies on good sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:30, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Kevin and Ken citationEdit

Hello martinevans123, I found a citation for: "The final line is a reference to his recently deceased colleague Ken Oosterbroek.[citation needed]", but I have no training to do it correctly yet.

The Life and Death of Kevin Carter, By SCOTT MACLEOD/JOHANNESBURG Sunday, June 24, 2001,9171,165071,00.html

You find it at the of the article. Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 07:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


Do not accuse me of doing anything "unexplained". You clearly don't bother to read edit summaries. Start doing so. (talk) 12:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

What was your edit summary here and here? You are now edit warring against two other editors. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Are you illiterate, or are you trolling? It's one or the other. "this whole paragraph, in fact, is irrelevant. if no Australians fought at Suvla Bay, then a song about an Australian at Suvla Bay would be inaccurate. Some Australians fought there, so a portrayal of an Australian there is entirely accurate". (talk) 12:50, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
And please don't accuse me, in your edit summary, of "trolling" as you did here. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I think it might be more useful for you to open a discussion thread about this at Talk:And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda about this, instead of edit warring and throwing insults around? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
But I see you've now been blocked for 24 hours. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Battle of the SommeEdit

Hmmm, it was quite rainy there too, wasn't it. But those guys actually had to turn up, didn't they, Donald? Not sure they even had umbrellas. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

"Irrelevant edit" of the article FinlandEdit

Hey! You undid my edit in the article "Finland". Could you please explain how my edit was not relevant to be presented in the article? The bilinguality of Finland is explained later in the article, but to my mind it's confusing to name two languages without mentioning that both of them are national languages of the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alluk. (talkcontribs) 20:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Alluk.. Where did "Irrelevant edit" come from? Your edit was this. My reverting edit summary was this: "this may be a true statement in isolation, but this does not make sense inserted here, sorry". I'm not sure what else to say. Yes, one can easily guess that the two official languages are Finnish and Swedish, but I don't think the statement you added can properly be used to introduce the sentence part "next come the Finland-Swedes". I'm not opposing the addition of your statement, just how it fits with the existing text. I hope that makes sense. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


Thanks. I'll keep "SHOW MORE" in mind. Sca (talk) 21:48, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

No worries, Stan... It Ain't Cool to assume that YT is always off limits. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
You think it's cool to make me wait with baited breath for what you say
You think it's cool to be the overlord of all that you survey
You think it's clever being clever, that you wear your fortune well
You think it's cool to be the foxy one, but time alone will tell that -
But I think you already know that. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

ITN for Richard Baker (broadcaster)Edit

 On 17 November 2018, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Richard Baker (broadcaster), which you substantially updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Dumelow (talk) 17:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC) as a sourceEdit

Hi Martinevans123. I noticed that you recently used as a source for information in a biography article, Mark Williams (actor). Please note that there is general consensus that does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. (See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_153#Is_famousbirthdays.com_a_reliable_source_for_personal_information). If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 00:29, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for telling me, Ronz. His birthday seems to be still unsourced. I assume IMDB is also acceptable? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:29, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Elton JohnEdit

My Christmas is already ruined. How could Elton John have played in E-flat major with the white keys on the piano? Actually it is not impossible. Irving Berlin had a lever action piano which could transpose the notes.[3]--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:58, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it's a real thing apparently! (.... the piano, I mean, not Elton) "Is it cos I is only usin' black notes?" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC) ..."sad ads sell so much"??
I presume he used a capo? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm just trying to get my head round what a piano capo would look like..... Martinevans123 (talk) 23:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)... and meanwhile here's a lovely Hannibal Lecter potter's wheel to enjoy.....
I would have assumed from the above you'd seen Elton John... Britmax (talk) 14:50, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Just from Ian's first five words?? Oooo, Britty mate, that's well harsh, innit. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 22 November 2018 (UTC) p.s. Dusty Springfield – backing vocals!

ArbCom 2018 election voter messageEdit

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Wow, yes, thanks a packet Cyberpower67 Bot father.... "Yippee"!! Already busy making paper chains and hanging up bunting. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
I have heard that the delectable Dr Hannah Fry is "well up" on Markov chains and has used them to get really good at Monopoly. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh yes, hot-diggity-dog, delectable indeedy doody.... she can let me love her lace any time she wants.... (they don't call me "Thomas Oléron Evans" for nothing, you know....) Martinevans123 (talk) 23:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC) "... not 'arf pop-pickers".....
They don't call you Thomas Oléron Evans at all, m'lord. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, maybe they don't. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah right, until 23.59 on Sunday 3rd December. So that'll be in 2023, then. No rush really. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

... and this stuff cloggs talks and is never removed, while a simple link to where the info can be found by those who really don't know would do. I made my link a little memorial this year. DYK that he practically saved my wiki life? I consider to make it part of my edit notice: "have a laugh". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
That's very sweet of you, Gerda. No, I did not know that. Of course they will have to run the election all over again now, but this time with messages bearing the correct date! Ah, you couldn't make it up, could you. Can't wait. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

London Evening Standard vs Evening StandardEdit

I did some research and found both are still used, many of the most modern seller stands as recent as 2017 show the word London as do some editions. I went with the title on the publication used in the citation. My Favourite Account  😊 18:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I see. Well hearty congratulations. And I have no objections if you just want to use the style used in the citation. I guess there is no need for any strict rule on this, just consistency within an article, so that the reader doesn't start to wonder if there are two separate newspapers? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:50, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I have been racking my brains trying to figure out why I posted this to you... and I just can't. My Favourite Account  😊 02:10, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Likewise. But I guess the rack is a better option than the comfy chair. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:53, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Undoubtedly.My Favourite Account  😊 17:30, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
The Evening Standard is something of a special case, as it's been through so many mergers and demergers with other papers in whatever stable currently owns it, and usually with a name-change and a drastic change of editorial stance and journalistic style each time. I struggle to think of any legitimate reason Wikipedia would ever be citing the ludicrous Lebedev/Osborne propaganda sheet that is its current incarnation, which is notorious for writing fawning puff-pieces about their big-money advertisers and makes the The Sun look like Nature in terms of reliability, except perhaps for such things as theatre reviews. (If I were cynical, I'd say that part of the reason for the large circulation is that, being (a) free and (b) printed on relatively soft paper using water-based ink that doesn't smear, it's become something of a routine for students and low-paid workers to grab an armful on the way home as a cheaper alternative to toilet paper and kitchen towels; if I were extremely cynical I'd say that the management is well aware of this, which is why they use water-based rather than cheaper soy-based inks.)
@My Favourite Account, the reason many of the most modern seller stands as recent as 2017 show the word London is because that was a year before they dropped the "London Evening Standard" name as part of Osborne's plan to eventually take on Metro in the rest of the country. ‑ Iridescent 17:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough, but as I said, I went with the title on the publication used in the citation. As regards Lebedev and Osborne, I believe, like so many politicians throughout the world, their only concern is money and the power that brings. Part of a social elite, in control of our interests and the presentation of information. I am extremely cynical and don't see anything changing for the better until we take back control. How? I have no idea. At least the students can benefit. My Favourite Account  😊 18:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
"Soy-based inks, my arse". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
My arse, my arse My Favourite Account  😊 19:10, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
I couldn't have put it better myself. But, just to show I know the difference.... here's a great tune from 2008. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Talking of tunes, from 1996, therefore bunny rabbits ARE way cuter than chipmunks.My Favourite Account  😊 20:08, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh yes boyo, rockin'. What a complete belter. Blackwood's finest! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 27 November 2018 (UTC) .....washed down with a Special Brew

New NewsEdit

Jake Bugg has signed with RCA records according to latest news and his twitter account has confirmed. You should check yourself and add it to wikipedia. Regards (talk) 14:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. By all means copy your sources here or, better still, go ahead and add the update with those sources to the article yourself. It could then go in the infobox, although I assume he has not yet released anything on that label? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah he has not released any song from the label because it happened only a day ago though i thought that infobox should have all the latest info regardless of for how long it remains or anything. I just told you that because you are quite wonderful editor here and also it would increase your total no. of edits by 1 so you may love it. Actually i don't edit wikipedia anymore it was just because of bugg's infamous character that i edited. I have had enough from wikipedia and some of its administrators. Anyways, Best of luck for your career further as a wikipedian and wish you all the good. 👍
Yours Friend (talk) 14:46, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
That is so very nice of you to say so, IP157. I hope you will return some day. (Don't worry, my terrible spilling will ensure I'll continue to steadily increase my total edit tally!) Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
As you and many others hoped that someday i will be back, i decided to give it a another try but it clearly seems that most peoples here are just bricks in the wall.

Read my recent story now: I have made an account on wikipedia Bobby Southside. You can find this page on Bbb23 and seeing his contributions at the bottom. I was busy making a funny and unique user page on that after which i had decided to edit some pages and categorise some pages. I had planned everything. But it was only 3 hours since i joined, when he deleted my user page and blocked me indefinitely even without a warning, when asked about the reason he said that im not here to make an encyclopedia. I know that its a block evasion but you have to understand the fact that im falsely blocked since i was not given much time to do constructive edits and also prove that 1) I was not only interested in making my user page and 2) I have knowledge about editing wikipedia and its policy [which are the only conditions that apply on me]. Also there was no personal attack or disruptive editing in my user page edit. I only added a userbox containing a hypothetical person named Bobby southside and some fun facts about him that made my userbox interesting and unique. But they say that you can't. Every wikipedian has rights to construct his user page the way he wants unless it hurts someone. But that wasn't subject to any disruption. What a reception i got in just 3 hours of my wikipedian career after having done nearly thousands of edits through IP. This is the reason i never wanted to come here as registered user, i knew this would be the fate as it has been for nearly thousands of new and honest editors who were victims of the egotism of these kind of veteran editors. Yours useless friend 2409:4063:2194:697:B5CF:DED1:6607:F355 (talk) 12:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Very sorry to hear that. Did you mean somewhere on User talk:Bbb23? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Nah! When you open his contribution section, you would find at the very bottom an edit about Bobby Southside named user(which refers to me). If not at the bottom then you can click older 50s and it would be up there. No way i am liable for harming any of the wikipedia policy, i have read it all. Oh gosh! Never mind. Whenever you need me, just call me here. Always up for you.2409:4063:2194:697:B5CF:DED1:6607:F355 (talk) 12:29, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
My advice, if you were to start another account, would be to leave your User page blank, or at least with very basic information, and to make good and useful edits to articles for a few weeks. Fellow editors will judge you mainly by your Main space article contributions, not by the amusement value of your User page (and I should know, lol!) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:36, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Seems I may be caught in a mini crossfire here. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Martinevans123 Re-notifying you that Jake bugg's contract with Virgin EMI has come to close and now he is working with Sony's RCA records which has already been approved (check Jake bugg's news section on google). Hence, its a sincere request that please add this information ASAP. RegardsHardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
You're evading your block by posting from an IP. I've blocked it. Bishonen | talk 13:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC). Also the IPv6 range you post from above, 2409:4063:2194:697::/64. Bishonen | talk 14:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC).

Jamal KhashoggiEdit

Figured out how to reply. :-) I'm sorry if you feel I completely changed the intro. If you are monitoring this wiki article, I defer to your opinion.11 Arlington (talk) 00:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. It's not just me monitoring! It has quite a large editor following. With your permission, I will revert to the version immediately BEFORE your edit. And you can try again, if you want to? Is that acceptable? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Bass playersEdit

"dont get me started. only fancy the two archaeologists."

It pisses me off that the camera so totally ignores the bass player here, when its the whole point of the song. I blame Brexit and other such bollocks. Ceoil (talk) 11:38, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, perhaps not totally? At least, as someone has commented, "the tamborinist is Killin it". An interesting band. But folks would need to look hard before finding a more inventive bassist than our very own Big Norm. Yes I still blame Brexit too, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Not everybody has such a nuanced view as you Martin, alas. When I clicked the Big Nor link, half expected to see Big Vern had been shot dead trying to escape from that one last bank robbery he pulled this morning. Bloody Brexit, but least the cops didn't get him, and he made it out dead, no way could he do more porridge. Ceoil (talk) 12:03, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
"No bastard copper's gonna take me alive!" Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
dont get me started. only fancy the two archaeologists. Ceoil (talk) 13:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, I can dig that. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
I vaguely remember a magazine running a readers poll of "greatest singers of all time" which led to a viral campaign to put Stephen Malkmus at #1 ... or did I just imagine that? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:49, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
I don't think even Malkmus' mum, Ritchie, would dare vote for him as one of the "greatest singers of all time"; interesting a voice and vocalist as he is he's no damn singer. Martin, the re the aging and hairy archaeologists porn to the right; hmmm :) but not need to say this to anybody right? Ceoil (talk) 22:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Although it's a close call with Margarita Pracatan, I'm pretty sure Wing will always gets my vote. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hocus PocusEdit

It seems that until 15 minutes ago, we didn't have an article for "House of the King" (which for Focus is a pretty straightforward and enjoyable tune that even non-fans like). Care to join me in some expansion, and think of a suitable DYK hook? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:44, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Ooooh yes, an iconic 70s track. Am immediately back sitting cross-legged on a purple floor cushion with the josticks! So I added this, which seems to be fully licensed to YouTube for copyright purposes. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
It's undoubtedly the greatest Tull song that wasn't; have you got a reliable source for Bob Holness doing the clapping on the track? I'm sure he was in the studio waiting for a session to happen. Incidentally I saw Focus live a few years back and briefly said hello to Thijs van Leer (oooh, namedropping), he's a slightly eccentric but thoroughly nice chap, and he thanked his wife for giving him the motivation to go out and play live as Focus again after a long time off. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:54, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I clearly remember, as a teenager, travelling with my best prog rock pal, on the train from Newport, to the Students' Union of Cardiff University, to see them. They cancelled at the last minute. Gutted. Never got the chance to see them again. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:09, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, in 1999 somebody offered me tickets to see The Who in Shepherd's Bush. Now, bear in mind this was after all the "Who On Ice" and Quadrophenia tours, and I assumed it would be a 15 piece soft rock band, so I said "thanks, but no thanks". It turns out they had decided to strip back down to basics, with critics saying the gigs were right up there with the classic lineup (or at least towards the end with Moon) and I voluntarily passed. Talk about being in the loo when opportunity knocked..... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
As long as you didn't flush Moony's pills down the toilet, you'd probably be safe. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Donald's frappacinoEdit

Could you please explain this apparent non sequitur? IP wrote about some positive feedback loops in climate forcing related to the melting of ground ice, and you responded with a <small>ed remark equating them with Donald Trump, whose public views on climate change would appear to be contrary to those of the IP. Political jokes like that aren't particularly beneficial to discussions on the ref desks, but more importantly the joke doesn't make any sense given the context. Did you misread the IP's contribution or am I missing something? Cheers! -- ToE 14:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Political jokes which don't amuse aren't particularly beneficial anywhere, so I've removed it. My comment was directed at the OP I'm sure the Donald is a great believer in climate change. Sorry if you were confused. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 27 November 2018 (UTC) p.s. I have no reason to believe that Donald Trump secretly uses an IP address in Kurdistan to post questions to Wikipedia Ref desks. I'm sure he has someone to do that for him.
Oh, you were responding to the OP IP (, and not the responding IP ( Your mis-indentation confused me. Still, your removal is probably best, as there isn't any reason at this point not to take the question at its face value. Cheers! -- ToE 15:42, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I do apologize if my comment seemed to imply that Donald Trump was a complete imbecile with little grasp of scientific reality. The price we all have to pay for making America great again, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
??? No, not at all. Your mis-indented joke seemed to imply quite the opposite, that Mr. Trump could be compared favorably with someone (the responding IP who is able to cogently summarize some of the mechanisms and risks of climate change -- hence my confusion and original query. With proper indentation, I'd have understood that you were ridiculing the OP, and while I'd have still preferred that the question simply be taken at face value, I'd have not bothered writing here. My purpose was entirely to understand your apparent non sequitur. Done. Cheers! -- ToE 18:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh the perils of this misplaced colon when one has smalled. Done. Cheers! -- Martinevans123 (talk) 18:37, 27 November 2018 (UTC) But yes, IP is to be roundly applauded. One of my most favourite cogent IPs from the City of Zagreb in almost 2 days.

Baxter DuryEdit

Yep, The Guardian article you added does say he was six when he posed on the cover of New Boots and Panties!!... but if Baxter was born in December 1971 and the album came out in September 1977, that would make him five years old at the time, no? Hard to believe The Grauniad would have made a basic typo or error given their unimpeachable reputation for subediting, but still... Richard3120 (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

D'oh!. I'm just a wikipedia editor, you can't expect me to do simple maths. And besides, he was six when I bought my copy! -- Clevor trever123 (talk) 08:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC) please Sir, can we start using the Daily Mail again, please?
The Daily Mail? Woah, hang on... I never suggested The Guardian was *that* unreliable... Richard3120 (talk) 10:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, we don't know exactly what he actually said to David Pescheck in that interview, do we. Perhaps he meant that he "... made his first public appearance at six in the morning"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC) "I often come awake, In a wiki morning mood, And have a proper edit, Before a page gets screwed."

Placid Bees my assEdit

Took me until just this moment to figure that out. Softlavender (talk) 04:00, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I must admit I'm still trying to figure it out myself. But please keep your apiary-related medical issues to yourself. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:29, 29 November 2018 (UTC) p.s. I would give John Malkovich his kaftan back, but I need it for my weekend horseback jaunts with Donald.

Forgive me.Edit

Nothing really I can say except to apologize. Dealing with some stuff in the real world that got me on edge and you just caught me at a bad moment. No excuses, just wanted to say I'm truly sorry for the childish way I responded. Hope you are well. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 01:34, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Ho worries.No worries. You seem to be very busy all the time! I very much appreciate your message. Thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Martin what are these Ho worries of which you write? Is there something you would like to share with the group? Curious minds need to know ... DBaK (talk) 10:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Haha, lol. Well spotted. Now corrected! Fo shizzle dude. Just gonna skank up ma mean hoes in da hood, an' all. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:13, 30 November 2018 (UTC) [4]
Ah yes. Thank you for the lovely link with the young people performing their song. It's very very nice. DBaK (talk) 10:35, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
"Like a washing machine, I can wash the clothes" - it seems the young lady is gainfully employed in domestic service. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

A link between two revolutionary ladiesEdit

Dear Martinevans123 and EEng, I recently sent this request for help [5] about attempting to link to biographies, Marguerite Brazier and Etta Palm d'Aelders. The connection is made at Nicholas Bonneville, but I believe reliably sourced information might be found somewhere in a tomb on French revolutionary history. I've written to a few others, but if either of you are interested in the conundrum, your help is most appreciated. -Darouet (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Tomb or tome? EEng 00:23, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Where historical mysteries are unearthed.
I was thinking about something like this. Also sorry, I'm reading a book by Robert Tombs right now, and it's gotten into my head. Right now just word choices are being scrambled, soon I'll be campaigning for brexit. -Darouet (talk) 20:27, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah right. I was thinking of Tombs the Butler who was played, in the BBC's adaptations Jane and Jane in the Desert, by the wonderful Max Wall: [6]. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Air Embryo SD733.jpgEdit


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Rulez is rulez folks. Whether that image is about 100% relevant or not. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Relevant to what. It should be used (and isn't), that's all, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
I think it's pretty relevant to the band. But the rules on image fair use mean that it can be used only on an article about the album, which we don't have. I'm really not sure how this aspect of the fair use rule helps or protects anyone. I have commented at User talk:Aspects. But he does not seem to see any problem. Oh well. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Your friend needs help this timeEdit

Yeah yeah you would be thinking how i decided to come back. Well its a long story, don't think about it. I just want to tell you about vandalism done by two users- and TheRedundancy. These two guys have violated three revert rule as many times as infinite. I guess you can't block users but maybe you can request their block. HardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I wish I knew who you were or what you were talking about. Well, perhaps. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Hey brother, im the anonymous guy who met you after adding the name of new label records in jake bugg's infobox. But no need to worry my problem is cured.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
How do I know that? You could be anyone. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
nice point. But if i am anyone then how can i know that how you and the anonym met on wiki. I mean there is no talk left on your page which proves that. Also i did message you nearly 4 days ago in a very depressed mood and all. Is that enough? HardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
If you feel you are in dispute with another editor and that they have breached an aspect of WP policy you should seek redress with an admin. It's not generally seen as a good idea just to canvass other editor "your friends" to support your side of the dispute. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah, it seems that you haven't still came to believe me or you are upset with me something.(i think i haven't done anything wrong but if i have then sorry) I can understand. You may not like what im going to say but i really don't have faith in admins as most of them are indulged in some kind of politics and are mostly corrupt so i bring my consents to those on whom i have faith or those whom i know to be honest. Remove this talk if you have now believed it.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 14:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Dear HardSunBadMoon, you have done nothing to upset me. Unfortunately, if you have no faith in any admins at all (to a greater or lesser degree, of course), Wikipedia may not be the place for you. There are formal mechanisms for you to express your dissatisfaction with any admin. This is just the way it "works". I tend not to remove things unless they are downright trolling. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:40, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
For some admins actually. I can't do almost anything about them though. Eventually, some day you will get to know about many of the admins here on wikipedia(how they are misusing their power). But it doesn't matters to me anymore. Last question- Have you recognised me now? Please tag me in your reply.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 15:08, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Blunt admission: some of my best "wiki friends" are admins. HardSunBadMoon. I am prepared to accept that you are who you say you are (or were, as the case may be). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:16, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Hmmm... Alright man. Its time to say goodbye to you. Take care and have fun editing wikipedia(im not leaving, its just kind of way of ending the discussion). I always prefer you as one of the best person here and thats what actually matters to me. Your old friend with new nameHardSunBadMoon (talk) 15:22, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, goodbye. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
... caught in a trap? Time for this. Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard 15:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. There's no turning back. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Interestingly attractive. Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard 16:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
At least he has an article: Gui Boratto. It's from Take My Breath Away (2009), vocals by Luciana Villanova. Does have a certain satisfying groove to it. Probably helps if one has taken one or two mind-altering substances. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I've already been there. Mark Knopfler is much more to my liking. Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard 17:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@Gareth Griffith-Jones: Actually i too am a big fan of mark and dire straits. I was finding a dire strait fan from a long time. Its pretty hard to find them in my country.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 08:12, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Jack BrooksbankEdit

 On 8 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jack Brooksbank, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jack Brooksbank, husband of Princess Eugenie of York, was not given a peerage following his marriage, as there is no general precedent in Britain for a commoner to be given one on marrying a princess? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Brooksbank. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jack Brooksbank), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 12:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I never even got an invite to the evening do, down Andy's. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
You are invited to listen today to Pauken and Trompeten, DYK? Tönet, ihr Pauken!, which they shall do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks, Gerda. Wonderful stuff. Here's a version by Collegium 1704, with Hana Blažíková, conducted by Václav Luks in 2011, at the Abbatiale Saint-Robert, France, during the 45th Festival de musique de La Chaise-Dieu: [7]. Just sparkling. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
... two links for LouisAlain ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Like to remember the Blažíková DYK which appeared on IWD ;) - Can't listen to music right now, still full of ours! Moar tomorrow (IV-Vi that is). The one who will conduct tomorrow was full of praise (he watched from up at the organ pictured in his article). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
And of course soon time for "Herrscher des Himmels". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
That's what we did, and what is on my mind, see playlist, and now officially added here. The rest tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Haha. A good guess there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:55, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Yay! Wiki fame!! Looks almost medieval.... haha Martinevans123 (talk) 13:09, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Look at it with more light: Rubens School. My favourite is Mary with her servant carrying her belongings on his head, and the formal gardens as the one who paid for the paintings would have liked it, and the parrot, as you can see here, among places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Well yes, I'd have to agree. You can't beat a good old Dutch master, can you? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
pictured the first day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Sounds amazing. It is so wonderful to read that it is ecumenical. And a "long-necked lute theorbo", no less. Yes, that does indeed sound quite Baroque. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
The theorbo is better seen on the other pic. I nominated the ecumenical project for Christmas, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Good stuff!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


Hi. I can't join because IPs are banned from editing Tesla article or talk pages. I'd just like to say that Fkp, the person because of who you changed your opinion is a POV pusher. Read [8] this topic which directly led to this RfC and you'll see that Fkp is just making any claim he can make to prevent this source entering the article. It doesn't seem to me that someone who has real concerns would jump so much from one reason to another reason. He's just trying to find some excuse. Furthermore, Bilseric has a good point. Unrelated to this RfC, someone has edited the article against the standing consensus puting Serbian orthodox cuhurch in the article. Fkp has no objections to that although it's factually wrong and against another RfC. But he surely does have many objections to this RfC. The other's are not much different as well. I'm sure none of them would mind Serbian orthodox curch in the 19th century and the standing consensus, but the'll find any reason against this source which is perfectly valid. (talk) 23:47, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I see. Had you considered creating an account? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:04, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I have an account, but I'm not using it when discussing with this group of editors ,because they always resort to personal attacks. Nothing will ever be good enough for them. They sayd that source is not mentioning Tesla, and now when they got source saying the same exact thing from a Tesla biography, the will not be satisfied. Either they will find other excure or ignore. You'll see. (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Is that not sock puppetry? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:22, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
No. You are perfectly legit to logoff and edit as an IP, as long as you don't edit the same articles or pretend you are 2 different persons. (talk) 17:44, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
So I guess all your opponents will know it's you canvassing here. If you have concerns that they are personally attacking you, or that User:Fkp is "a POV pusher", you need to go to WP:AN/I, not here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:58, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
You seemed objective so I posted on your talk page since I can't participate in the discussion, since I was the original editor who found the source. If you don't want me here, that's ok, but you'll see that the things I said are correct. The other POV pushers will ignore or try to discredit the very source they seeked it is nencessary. (talk) 18:16, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Now beginning to regret that I ever went to that page and expressed an opinion. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:22, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Kind regards to you as well. Bye. Sorry, but Tesla topics always turn to a mess like this. (talk) 18:30, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Just for your info, you agree with a POV pusher that has been lying on Balkan articles for years [9]. (talk) 13:57, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Russell Bishop (sex offender)Edit

Sorry, but I removed the unsourced content with this edit [10] and you added it back with this one [11] much safer to remove unsourced content completely per BLP. Theroadislong (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

It was not my intention to "add back" anything and was obviously an edit conflict. As per my explanatory null edit, my original edit summary was this: "move down +tag, but suspect this will need to be deleted". I have no problem with you removing it. I was hoping to elicit a source which might lead to a place of birth (still unsourced). Sorry if that is so contrary to BLP that it deserves a scolding. I do hope that Mr Bishop wasn't too offended. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
I must admit that the phrase "a bit of a ladies' man" looked just about as neutral as a description of Jimmy Savile as "a real gentleman". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Peace Dove ChristmasEdit

Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.
Happy Holidays. ―Buster7  23:36, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Here it comes!!Edit

Happy Holidays!
Wishing you much joy & happiness now and every year!!
Merry Christmas - Happy Hanukkah‼️

  • When does New Year’s Day come before Christmas Day?
Every year!
  • What do you call a bankrupt Santa?
Saint Nickel-less.

🔔🎁⛄️🎅🏻Atsme✍🏻📧 21:00, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hey Atsme!! Thank you very much..... "you know I ain't no fool.... I'm just upside down"! [12]. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC).....

I'm just grateful I'm not back-to-front, I guess!!

DYK for House of the KingEdit

 On 16 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article House of the King, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "House of the King" by Focus has been a theme tune on British television twice? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/House of the King. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, House of the King), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

"Not 'alf, pop-pickers!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry MerryEdit

  Happy Christmas!
Hello Martinevans123,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 02:18, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much, MarnetteD. What a thoughtful greeting. Maybe there'll be something for me from Cerys under the tree this year: "... hilarious depiction of life in the early 1960s – one young woman confesses to not knowing what the word “lesbian” means, thinking it is a kind of omelette".... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC) [13]
Thanks for the link M. Such an interesting take on things. I am always fascinated how one work of art can inspire creativity in others. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 16:25, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

A mitten for you!Edit

A mitten for you, Martinevans123!
Hi Martinevans123, Softlavender has given you a mitten!

Mittens promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better.

Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a mitten, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Softlavender (talk) 10:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


Douglas Firs can be so rude at this time of year, I find. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Well, I think you may be reading something into that, Martin. Mittens do not have middle fingers, nor indeed any fingers. Softlavender (talk) 00:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Let's just face it, none of of us know exactly what's going on in that mitten, do we. But many thanks, anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New YearEdit

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Hi Martinevans123, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia,

   –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 18:25, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas !!!Edit

  CAPTAIN RAJU(T) is wishing you a Merry Christmas!

This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the Christmas cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.


Viggo Johansen: Happy Chrstmas (1891)

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.

- Sca (talk) 21:38, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Super Christmas!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

  John FaheySca (talk)


  None-more Gothic Seasons Greetings  
Wishing you all the best for x-mass, hope it is a time of, some but not too much, cheer. Ceoil (talk) 22:19, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much. This is by far the most artistic greeting I am likely to get this year! oooh, almost as Gothic as .... Game of Thrones. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:59, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm a bit upset nobody is getting my Spinal Tap ref. I had though you were king of references, man. What happened to you? ps, yes Content Provider is amazing. Ceoil (talk) 23:21, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

where the dogs are dry and dustyEdit

from oz the dusty deserts that keep us dry, have a snowy one for us - gday and appy christmas from downunder - may your sense of humour drive you well through 2019 JarrahTree 23:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Things were so much nicer back in 1961. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:04, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
:) JarrahTree 00:05, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:11, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

Unless you are David Slater. A while back I came across this Christmas card and thought straight away that it was Naruto from the Monkey selfie copyright dispute. Slater probably didn't get a penny for this. As previously discussed, my Christmas was ruined when Elton John played in E-flat major with the white notes. The problem is now fixed, here is what he actually plays. Finally, the Christmas lights which are even more complicated this year (click "Download" to watch the videos).--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:11, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Post Brexit, those lights are just going to get worse, I fear. But many thanks anyway. By the way... I'm not your monkey man. (Peter Kirtley (guitar), Steve Lamb (bass), Dave Sheen (drums) live at the Alabama, Munich, Germany, 1984) Martinevans123 (talk) 11:54, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry ChristmasEdit

  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Martin, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Rodney Baggins (talk) 13:51, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Cheers, Rodders. Iechyd da. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!Edit

  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Martinevans123, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Walk Like an Egyptian (talk) 05:47, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Many thanks, Walky. Christmas bangles to you. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas MartinEdit

Season's greeting to Mr.Martinevans123 and well wishes for the upcoming year

Credit:Clarityfiend HardSunBadMoon (talk) 06:41, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks, HardSunBadMoon. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

La Cheminée du Roi RenéEdit

Hi Martinevans123,

Regarding a recent exchange, let me present to you - as a sign of Internet friendship - this piece by D. Milhaud that perhaps you may not be aware of, which I doubt anyway. Yours, LouisAlain (talk) 21:06, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Dear LoisAlain, I can assure you I was wholly unaware of Darius Milhaud until now. Thank you so much. It is totally charming. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Sister WendyEdit

 On 27 December 2018, In the news listed the article Sister Wendy, which you updated, so many thanks for your contributions. For details of the discussion, please see the candidates page. Andrew D. (talk) 10:31, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
Affectionately known, in our house, as Sister Bendy Weckett. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Ok. We could use an image for the article. As you're familiar with her, what do you think of this image which I found on Flickr, please? It has a CC licence but I'm not sure that it's the same person. Andrew D. (talk) 11:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't say "familiar" in the Biblical sense. What a very odd picture. Even if cropped, I'm not sure it would do Sister Wendy justice. She seems to have three hands. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Images do seem to be in rather short supply. The only other candidate I could find was her as a Playmobile figure. Probably not very suitable. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:34, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
There are a few others on Flickr, with all rights reserved, including this one from 2012 with Phil Tufnell. I wonder could the Barber Institute be persuaded to release it into the public domain but adjusting the Flickr tag. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:41, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Today, I searched for refs for Amos Oz, someone beat me to nominating, and I don't find a ref for an early school, sigh (one that doesn't look like a mirror). It's a shame we don't mentioned him hours ago, - what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Halleluja, a ref is there now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Only hours? Count yourself blessed! As you may know, I find DYK RD quite dysfunctional. I've even thought of suggesting that in order to make any !vote, an editor ought to have to make at least one edit to improve the article. The tacit assumption, that the nominator(s) are responsible for improving the article and then presenting it for RD nomination, seems to have long disappeared. And even when "fully improved", articles often languish for many hours, or even days before they are posted. It's no wonder folks don't bother. Sorry to be such a grinch. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, - at least I feel less alone in the grinch corner. I was at Paulskirche when he received the prize, and still remember. He died yesterday, and here we had a chance to follow promptly, - sigh. My last suggestion was archived without a single comment, - I have him nominated for DYK now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Well done for your persistence, Gerda! I'm sure he deserves a mention on Main page somewhere. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Bernstein, yes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Amos Oz appeared. His name means courage. Talk to discouraged LouisAlain please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
A bit late, of course, he had five-digit page views for 2 days already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Talking about recognition, for nominator and updaters? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I think I was, yes! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:06, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on her article M. She was such an intriguing teacher. She was the first person to make me aware that The Church at Auvers did not show its doors. Did you ever see the parody Sister Randy? Here is one of her treats. I think of her as an affectionate tribute but I can understand how others might be offended. My apologies if that is the case. MarnetteD|Talk 21:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Haha. Sister Windy had legs?! Wow, who knew. I think you knew, MarnetteD, that I'm not so easily offended. I have never seen that series before and it's very witty. They kindly forgot the teeth and the cute R mispronunciations! I found Sister Wendy a breath of fresh air because she had never been been to University to get a degree in art history. I'm not sure that's just tobacco that Randy is smoking.... "From dust bunnies you came and to dust bunnies you shall return" --Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
You are right about Sister Wendy and I'm glad you enjoyed Randy. You so often provide links to fun and/or informative items that it is nice that I have been able to return the favor. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 00:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Hah you did it again with the new link to the tobacco and art article which I had never seen before! Now I wish there was a way to get SR into that article. Frivolous of me I know :-) MarnetteD|Talk 03:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Frivolous!? That's the sort of trivia quest that I'd take a week to nail down. I reminded myself of Breaking Bad S3 E12 with my earlier mention of that 1967 classic. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Arise, Sir John EltonEdit

What caught my eye was that when he was receiving the honour in February 1998, he was announced by the Lord Chamberlain as "Sir John Elton".[14] We now name the guilty person, it was Thomas Stonor, 7th Baron Camoys who did this because he was Lord Chamberlain in 1998. I wonder if afterwards he said sorry, which seems to be the hardest word.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:49, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Let's hope he didn't burst into Wind in the Candle. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:53, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
My favourite quote from Sir John Elton is here: "Elton John has always taken a principled view of his relationship with the press. 'They can say I'm a fat, old sod,' he once said. 'They can say I'm an untalented bastard. They can call me a poof. But they mustn't lie about me." And who would ever do a thing like that?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:18, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I think it's time the lead section of his Wikipedia article described him as "a fat, old, untalented, bastard poof." After all, That's What Encyclopedias Are For. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Indeed, as C. P. Snow so wisely observed, "Comment is free. Facts are sacred." So when The Sun said that one of Elton John and David Furnish's dogs caused serious injury to a girl, they took legal action for libel and won.[15] Anyone might think that The Sun had a thing about Elton John and David Furnish.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:36, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Who knew a spaniel could be quite so nasty. "Bite your lip (get up and sue!)". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Having seen the photo here, I would hope that Freddy Krueger could have managed a lot better than this. "I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog, too!" (sorry, wrong film). It's also worth pointing out that the spaniel incident occurred in February 2016 [16] so it was exactly two years before The Sun on Sunday found out and made the obligatory hoo-ha over it. Still, better late than never.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:14, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Although spaniels are not as vicious as those horrible little westies (allegedly). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

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It's all too difficult. I give up. Quite frankly, I think that's probably the best image you are likely to be offered for that article. If you can't even tell me what's wrong with it, then I guess the reader will just have to do without anything at all. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

You've been ignoring too many rulesEdit

And that's apparently why no one has wished you Happy New Year. When we said "All Rules" we didn't mean "all rules". Why is this so hard to understand? Softlavender (talk) 06:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Just a get a groove on, Softy! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:43, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
I'll allow it. Gotta love a New Years song I can dance to. Softlavender (talk) 09:50, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
I went to the shops yesterday looking for a helium balloon with "Happy New Year!" on it, but they had sold out. The trick is to buy them uninflated in advance, then ask them to blow it up when you need it. So we'll have to make do with this photo. The lady in the shop then said "We've got silver helium balloons in the shape of numbers, you could make "2019" with them." This was a clever suggestion which hadn't occurred to me, because it would have required buying four balloons instead of one. They did have rubber balloons with "Happy New Year!" in the shop, but I couldn't be bothered blowing them up.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Sounds like the sort of shop that would sell you 2019 candles. They must make a mint. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Happy 2019 – a Time for thanks and praise, - nobody wishing you well, both ;) - anybody to fill the red link while I go out? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Plenty of online shops sell balloons spelling out 2019.[17]. But I would have been happy with just the one.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, always better to go for something really unique. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:57, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Unique enough for me to have the TFA and the pictured DYK, with "my" music, and Amos Oz remembered ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
A very impressive combination, Gerda! Well done.Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

Thank you for brightening many of my days last year, Martin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Gwin poeth sbeislyd i chi ...Edit

... gan yr hen Gymro; rwy'n gobeithio eich bod wedi cael gwyliau Nadolig gwych ac rwy'n dymuno 2019 heddychlon i chi!
That is Welsh and translates to:
Spicy hot wine for you from the old Welshman; I hope you have had a great Christmas holiday and I wish you a peaceful 2019!
Thank you for your excellent work on the 'pedia.

Sincerely, Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:50, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Do the first six not count? But thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:15, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I am slow in noticing ;) - First edit day is a different thing. Can you help me helping LouisAlain finding refs? Several of his articles were made drafts just because refs are missing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:50, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I will try and take a look. Any articles in particular? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:51, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I can go to his most recent archive and look for "draft" in headers, and copy them, but so could you ;) - I took care of Marianne Schech and Hetty Plümacher (who were not made drafts, but tagged citations required). I am slow and go on a pace of one article per day, while he seems to produce five ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Comme ça? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:22, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Oui. Like this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Et maintenant.... j'ai du pain sur la planche! Have copied all that from fr-wiki, but there were no in-line sources haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
That's the problem. French and German articles have few if any inline citation, - they rely on books. Don't think the one I sprinkled was there before, - you have to find one. To be more precise: the book was there as Literatur, but you still have to find the page number and link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah ja, ich sehe, alles ist klar. Vielen Dank. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Last call for Christmas decoration, both English and German. - I heard a great soprano as Bellini's Elvira, - RTscLwCRliQ - see? Will translate Czech article without knowing a word of that language ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Tredegar HouseEdit

Happy New Year, Martin. Heavens, six years on from you and I arguing with an IP over whether TH was in Monmouthshire, and it remains a p*ss-poor article. I know architecture collaborations aren't your thing, but I hope someone's interested. While I'm here, if you do find yourself at a loose end, Sissinghurst Castle Garden is up for Peer Review, here, [18], and my co-nominator and I would much appreciate any comments/suggestions/corrections. And while I'm round with the begging bowl, Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire is only 8 photos short of a full house. Should you happen to be out with the box brownie. I'm determined we'll have Monmouthshire lists with images and articles for each Grade I and II* - something I don't believe exists for any other Welsh or English county! Not that I'm competitive. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 14:56, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

p.s. Have just noticed your Category. Why on earth are you looking to be adopted? I'm assuming it is this way round, rather than your offering to adopt? One shudders to imagine the wholly-inappropriate advice you'd hand out to some innocent newbie! KJP1 (talk) 15:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I'll have you know that I've argued over some of the very worst p*ss-poor articles ever. And proud of it too, of course. As for the adoption scandal, feel free to blame Irondome (as the rascal was then known. I think). Meanwhile, I do hope we can eventually see Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire with nothing left to be desired. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Alastair AppletonEdit

First of all, many thanks for your edits to the article on Alistair Appleton. I hope you do not mind, but I changed BBC Two to BBC One. Escape to the Country goes out on BBC One on Sunday afternoon, so I thought this would make sense. Vorbee (talk) 09:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Vorbee. The Escape to the Country article suggests it appears on both BBC Two and BBC One. So maybe we should have both channels there? Or else just put "BBC" to be simpler? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Or would that be an example of Muntzing? – Sca (talk) 14:20, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Well yes maybe, haha. A risk I am prepared to take. Let's all embrace lean thinking. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Muntzing isn't necessarily a bad thing. It worked for Madman Muntz. Sca (talk) 15:00, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Wow. Quite a visionary. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Our first TV, in about 1951, was a Muntz with a 'giant' 21-inch screen. It worked for decades, eventually winding up in the basement "rec room." Sca (talk) 15:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for above comments. As Escape to the Country is sometimes on BBC One and sometimes on BBC Two, I have changed the article on Alistair Appleton now so that it just says that "Escape to the Country" is broadcast on BBC television. Vorbee (talk) 18:15, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

  • I have just read what muntzing is in the article on muntzing, and fail to see why changing BBC One or BBC Two to BBC television could be seen as an example of muntzing. Vorbee (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I think the basic idea was "minimum required for it to function" i.e. we don't need to specify which channel, just "BBC"? I think perhaps SCA was just a trifle frivolous, as is also my wont occasionally. But I ended up learning something, so I'm quite grateful. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:23, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


I do admit to being a bit of a fan of Alice Roberts' documentaries on evolution, genetics and ancient history - it's just the text I took out looked far too much like a personals ad in my view. I just can't see the same being written about, say, Billy Connolly, even though he's got a much stronger association with cycling. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I can see what you're saying. I'd also want to avoid that Hello-type of sleb trash like "her favourite colour is purple and she loves mango yoghurts". I was just struggling to find actual policy on this. If you wanted to remove again, I will not revert you! Goodness me, we don't want to make it look like we actually live next door, do we. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Actually I was more interested in trying to find something to say about the Big Yin and bikes that wasn't that joke, but I'm struggling - wasn't there a film in the 1970s that showed him cycling all over Scotland? It was long before the motorbike trips. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah right. Sorry for steering away there. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Salt-Water Poems and BalladsEdit

Frederick Keel set three of the poems, but "Trade Winds" is by far the most famous of those settings. Here's Bryn Terfel singing the whole cycle. Narky Blert (talk) 15:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Narky. With Malcolm Martineau too. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

unsourced DoBEdit

Swiftly undone, not afforded Wikipedia:Assume good faith? I had left off the direct link for privacy as her business was formed at the couples' home in Sale. (talk) 23:42, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

I've opened a thread at Talk:Dianne Oxberry to explain/ discuss.Sorry if you feel aggrieved, but non-sources in edit summaries don't really count. Please comment over there? Any suggestions welcome. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:02, 12 January 2019 (UTC) p.s. all I can see for Oxberry at Companies House is "August 1967".
They redact the day of the month nowadays, but PDF scan of Incorporation document gave an exact date and her husband was Secretary. The date ought to be correct, just drill down to Filing history. However, I fail to find any corresponding hit to prove those are her birth name(s). (talk) 00:26, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

The Nov date is now published in the Sun! Unearthed support of earlier change in an unremarkable place, to 'skirt' policy. (talk) 01:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

We can't use The Sun as it's a tabloid. Perhaps they copied the date from here? But the Twitter sourced written by Oxberry herself looks quite convincing. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:29, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

RE: Tommy CooperEdit

Hi Martin. When I said "Most articles" I meant UK bios as a whole. Most articles I've seen tend to omit the UK as a place of birth or death, just listing the constituent country instead. For example, George Best's page states he was born in Northern Ireland and died in England. I don't think there's a particular MoS policy regarding it, just as I said, a matter of consistency. I may be wrong though. Samuel J Walker (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

OK, so how many have you seen? Or maybe any attempt at consistency in infoboxes, for use of UK constituent countries, is a waste of time. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) I would agree with Samuel J Walker, particularly in this case -- "London, England" makes much more sense than "London, UK". Constituent countries seem to generally be listed in infoboxes, particularly in the case of devolved member countries (which doesn't happen to be the case in the current example, but maybe that proves the overall point). Softlavender (talk) 06:59, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, I see that Template:Infobox person says:
"For modern subjects, the country should generally be a sovereign state; for United Kingdom locations, the constituent countries of the UK are sometimes used instead, when more appropriate in the context."
Which kind of begs the question of what is that "context"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Generally natives of Scotland identify as being Scottish unless the family moved quickly, or (as an actor or broadcaster, etc.) they moved as an adult and didn't retain their Scottish accent. The same is usually true for NI; I can't speak for Welsh natives but maybe you or Gareth Griffith-Jones can, plus if a town name is clearly in the Welsh dialect language it's advisable to indicate it's in Wales rather than simply "UK". Also, I've rarely heard or read references to "London, UK", whereas references to "London, England" are nearly ubiquitous -- so that's the context for that. Softlavender (talk) 09:58, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
The "Welsh dialect"? Oh! What's occurrin'?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah, yes. Place-name signs in Wales are all, by law, in English and Welsh. But never in Wenglish. I'd be very surprised indeed, however, to see Welsh place names, written in Welsh, in any infobox on English Wikipedia. I'm not sure if Tommy Cooper ever strongly self-identified as Welsh, or English, as opposed to British. Martinevans123 (talk)
I'm talking about town names like Aberystwyth, Blaenau Ffestiniog, Cwmamman, Cwmbran, etc. It's Cooper's death place (not his birthplace) that was in question here. By the way I think that infobox template documentation is altogether inane; in the body text of most any article anywhere on Wikipedia, biography or otherwise, we generally name the constituent country when referring to any British town or city where we name/add a country; why should that information be tossed out the window in an infobox? It makes no sense (to me). Wikipedia is for readers, and should offer the most specific and informative data possible. In bios, the lede sentence can say "British" (if that's how they identify), but the infobox and body text should specify the specific constituent country. Anyway, I'm trying to find who added or created that wording in the template documentation, but I can't figure it out because it's a transclusion and I can't find the transcluded template. (Also, the language in that template isn't even internally consistent: In the "Parameters" section, "birth_place" says "city, administrative region, country"; but in the "TemplateData" section "Birthplace says "city, administrative region, sovereign state".) Anyway, I think the wording of the instructions about the United Kingdom should be altered to reflect standard common usage. Softlavender (talk) 12:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
A very good idea. You have my support. But Aberystwyth is spelled "Aberystwyth" in English and "Aberystwyth" in Welsh? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 16 January 2019 (UTC) (.... although, admittedly, the Welsh spelling of Cwmbran is Cwmbrân)
I have been considering the fact that the anglification of Aberystwyth never happened. I suppose you could say the same about Abergavenny—but I am guessing that trips off the English tongue easily and the conquering English didn't bother. Nice to get your involvement. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:10, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Taiwan, anyone?? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC) ... but not sure why we have that jolly Irish diddly-i music going on there, instead of some nice harps or male-voice choirs...... and who did they get to exemplify Llanfair PG ...some Polish guy??


Hi Martinevans123 and thanks for your support in rough seas. LouisAlain (talk) 16:15, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

"Be polite; write diplomatically; even in a declaration of war one observes the rules of politeness." ― Otto von Bismarck.
No worries. Editing at Wikipedia isn't always a pleasure cruise, is it. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Rough sea indeed... LouisAlain (talk) 19:47, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
"When you're rocked on the ocean, rocked up and down, don't worry
When you're spinning and turning round and around, don't worry
You're just feeling sea-sick, you're just feeling weak
Your mind is confused and you can't seem to speak
It's just the motion, it's just the motion." - Richard and Linda Thompson
..... well, either that or someone's kindly looking over you, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 18 January 2019 (UTC) is reminded of that old traditional French folk ballad, of which the earliest printed example is found in the book Parodology (1927). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:54, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
..... or even this classic by that nice Mr Robbie Zimmerframe:
"While preachers preach of evil fates
Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to hundred-dollar plates
Goodness hides behind its gates
But even the president of the United States
Sometimes must have to stand naked."

Talking HeadsEdit

Stop changing "were" back to "was" in the Talking Heads article. Just because they are an American band doesn't mean it's a singluar name, look at articles like The Doors, The Smashing Pumpkins or Red Hot Chili Peppers, who are all used as plural nouns than singluar, and you think it's not okay to use that example in the Talking Heads article? Well fuck you! (talk) 00:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

So I just did. "The Doors was an American rock band formed in Los Angeles in 1965". ?? Martinevans123 (talk) 00:14, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
I think this may end badly for you. Especially with the abuse. "Still, I believe what's correct and incorrect over you." isn't the most convincing edit summary rationale, is it? Martinevans123 (talk) 00:19, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
I see some anon IP geolocating to San Jose, California has just added this to the article code: <!-- Proper nouns that are plural in form take a plural verb in both American English and British English. Please do not change "were" to "was". --> Fine by me, if they've got consensus. And I see that User:Ohnothimagain has also changed The Doors too. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:56, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Who's next, the Flamin' Groovies? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:59, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Maggie SmithEdit

Correct! Maggie Smith has had an extensive career! (talk) 15:03, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

You just claimed she had died? You need to provide a pretty good source for that. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:05, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
And what's all this about? A distant relation perhaps? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:08, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Martin, You really are routing out the idiots today in this (was not sub-sectioned) and the one immediately above this. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Deeply flattered, old boy. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:14, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
FYI [19] Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for telling me. Only 7 hours left. Not a very long time in sockland, I fear. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Daily Mail cartoonEdit

In which Elton John becomes involved.[20] Although I don't usually dash to Prince Philip's rescue, the problem is that saying sorry is often regarded as an admission of legal liability.[21][22] I rest my case, M'lud.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Haha. I'm sure Philip has got it all sorted with Mishcon de Reya. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 22 January 2019 (UTC) ".... with The Telegraph reporting that Philip works on a "wake up and see if I crash the car" basis when deciding whether to attend an event or not." .... useful link, in case you are reading Philip
“It said all money raised from the online auction would go to Cancer Research UK, with the price reaching £65,900 after 139 bids.” Too bad the listing was removed, as it was al in aid of charity. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
The eBay listing definitely says "taking the piss here", as do some of the bids. The people at the Antiques Roadshow would want to know the provenance before giving a valuation. The 1964 car crash is interesting, because cars were much less sturdy in those days and seatbelts were not compulsory, so the Duke and the Queen had a lucky let off.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:29, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, and in 1964 zoom lenses were a lot smaller too, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2019 (UTC) ....
According to Reported Road Casualties Great Britain, there were 7,985 deaths on Britain's roads in 1966 and 1,793 in 2017, which is less than a quarter of the peak 1960s figure. Not everything in the good old days was better.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
That's quite surprising. As a percentage of total vehicles the difference must be considerably larger. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
.... and 196 was 8 years nearly 20 years before seat belts were compulsory, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:29, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps the ghost of Jimmy Savile should haunt Buckingham Palace and say "Clunk Click Every Trip". Wearing seatbelts became compulsory in Britain in January 1983.[23] At the time that Savile made Clunk Click Every Trip public information films, this was advice but people could not be forced to do it, guys and gals.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, he was "granted unprecedented access across all of the royal palaces," allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:20, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Not about youEdit

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. R2 (bleep) 18:31, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I was unaware that it was "an issue" when I reverted. Not sure what to make of "weqweeqwe". Your Portuguese is evidently much better than mine. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


But Mogg used the word "prorogue". His choice. He likes old fashioned words. And in fairness, (1) so do I and (2) if he'd used the word "suspend" I'd probably have slept through the whole report .... Charles01 (talk) 10:14, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, quite agree. It's just that I'm now waiting for that knock on my Talk page door from the irrepressible DAB bot. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
I suppose, on looking at the DAB page on which you landed, I'd agree that "Prorogation in the United Kingdom" needs its own entry. Why do the Canadians get all the fun? I guess we need a volunteer. Which is, indeed, often the answer to most everything. Charles01 (talk) 10:31, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Indeed. Perhaps poor Jacob just needs a bit of a longer holiday to establish a few more offshore investment funds? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Publications "plural" comes from a google clickety tour. How many sources would you like? I thought the Daily Mail the most appropriate in the circumstances, but if someone (you?) wants to dig out another half dozen it looks eminently doable! Charles01 (talk) 10:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

My experience is that all article claims have to be supported by sources as appropriate. We can't rely on the readers actually bothering to search for themselves. If there really are multiple sources, the hidden note I have added might be addressed and removed, I guess. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:32, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Nothing is certain. But it seems likely that if we wait another few hours, the cousins may get out of their beds and we may be able to add a wholesomely American source. Or two. I haven't read your hidden heckle yet (but certainly will): if you expressed doubts about taking an English tabloid newspaper as a reliable source for anything then yes, I share your unease. Charles01 (talk) 10:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Whatever can you mean? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:53, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Meanwhile I see our friend "old Paley" has swiftly gone for an article guillotine motion of his own? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
The ping didn't work (maybe a tutorial would help?), but here I am anyway. Yes, as per my edit summary, this addition as it stands is not, in my view, of sufficient punch and rigour to be included in the article. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:21, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Some of us are still trying to bend it like Beckham. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:33, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognitionEdit

 On 26 January 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Hugh McIlvanney, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:58, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Hoorah!! Only 12 hours, lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 26 January 2019 (UTC) User:Drchriswilliams actually deserves it!
Hoorah!! After two recent deaths in a row, Wilma Lipp and Jean Guillou, I'll have someone alive (!) and 90 on January 30 2019 (!): look in a few minutes at Werner Bardenhewer (or my talk), - I need sleep ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:55, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Lady Jane GreyEdit


I don't know enough about the topic to fix it or weigh in on the facts, but it looks like when you tried to fix some vandalism/sock puppetry on Lady Jane Grey's article ( you might have made some mistakes - the most recent edit shows that she will die in March of 2019 (which won't happen for a few weeks), and that she reigned for 48 years. I don't want to revert to something else that might also be incorrect (but I'm not sure what the correct info is or if there is any legit controversy) - can you check your edit please?

Thanks! Ben the Bos (talk) 20:58, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

How very odd. I'll take a look shortly, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry about that. It seems I restored a bit too much. Should now correct. Many thanks for your swift message here. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Olivia ColmanEdit

Ironically, the Sky News article about this has a link at the top of the page, saying Why you can trust Sky News. As you've pointed out, Sky News has probably copied this off a press release like everyone else. It would be a brave person who assumed that news outlets do much independent fact checking nowadays. Sky News says "We expect our journalists to be accurate at all times, but they are only human, and sometimes mistakes are made. That is why we have an established process for dealing with factual errors quickly and appropriately. Anyone watching or reading Sky News content can get in touch, with contact details published here". I wonder if this would make any difference, though.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:30, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

"We expect our Wikipedia editors to be accurate at all times, but they are only human, and sometimes make deliberate mistakes just to annoy Olivia Colman". Anonymous school friend 123 (talk) 16:33, 29 January 2019 (UTC) [24]
The depressing and worrying thing is that if she had said in the podcast that Jimmy Wales groped her bum at a film premiere, all of the newspapers would likely have reported it by now without any further fact checking. While people have a right to say what they like, journalists are supposed to do some fact checking.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:59, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, an interesting thought. Or even if she had groped Jimmy's Wiki buns of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
I was at university with her and David Mitchell so I can confirm she's 55 years old. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Goodness me, the plot thickens considerably now. As you know, we can't believe you, because that's just WP:OR hearsay. But I think you might want to contribute at the David Tennant podcast fansite? User:Berean Hunter will also be very amused to hear this, I'm sure Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Nah, I'm shitting you. We were there in the early 1990s, she's spot on. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
I never knew you were at Homertion dearie! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:33, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Some other place. See also: Footlights. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:34, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah, that's simply divine, luvvie!! mwah! mwah!. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:36, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
No, I just watched them (and Robert Webb), and lived with Mitchell, I didn't do the luvvie shit. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:38, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
You lived with the great David Mitchell!? Goodness, you are practically Royalty. Shucks, another dream shattered *sob, sob*. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:45, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Hell yeah. And the Chairman of selectors too. And the genius Brexit commentator. To name but a few. One day I'll link you to my own article, you bad cheeky chops! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:48, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Great news. I'll be more than happy to vandalize your date of birth, you toff. Redbrickevans123 (talk) 17:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

1 month blockEdit

No idea what you think you were doing, but reposting a page already deleted for copyvio, with minimal but clearly insufficient attempts to olve the copyvio, is a bad move in any case, and certainly when you already have a history of copyright problems.

When you write (outside of the already too long quote relative to the length of text of the original)

  • "After returning to France, Chaperon began working with his former classmate Auguste Rubé, with whom he had worked at from Ciceri's workshop at the Opera. Together they provided the sets for many lyrical works staged in Paris. Composer Jules Massenet commissioned them to design sets for his le Cid in the city in 1885. Chaperon could have drawn on memories of his travels in Spain to help evoke the warm atmosphere of the opera."

and the original has

  • "De retour en France, il s’associe avec son ancien condisciple de l’atelier de Cicéri à l’Opéra, Auguste Rubé. Ensemble, ils fournissent les décors pour de nombreuses œuvres lyriques jouées sur les scènes parisiennes. Ce fut le cas lorsque le compositeur Jules Massenet leur commanda des décors pour son Cid en 1885. Philippe Chaperon put facilement puiser dans ses souvenirs pour évoquer au mieux l’ambiance chaleureuse de l’Espagne propre à cet opéra."

then you are not writing your own text based on the information found in that surce, but you are simply following the original text line by line and nearly word for word, just changing (often for the worse, like with the "at from") some things here and there. Fram (talk) 13:21, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

You could have easily removed the parts that you judged to be copyright violations, thereby preserving the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
".. following the original text line by line" is usually necessary to preserve the chronology? These are basically just facts. And the lines were fully attributed to the source, which had not been the case in the original article. If the above really constitutes a gross violation of copyright, you need to revdel here too? If the blockquote was too long, in your opinion, but not a violation of copyright, you might wish to copy it here and indicate just how long it should be? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
User:Atlan says this, at AN/I about my initial respove above "His reply to the block notice is concerning. It implies he should be allowed to add copyright violations and that others should fix them. If that's his attitude towards copyvios a 1 month block might not be long enough." No, that's not "my attitude" at all. I can assure you that I had no such intention. I'm very sorry that you might choose to make that implication. I created that article is perfectly good faith, believing I had done enough to avoid any copyright infringements. I was suggesting that Fram could have easily fixed and kept it, even as just a stub, while still blocking me for not taking "due diligence". Perhaps he's not allowed to by his Admin Ts&Cs? From my point of view the deletion of the article is just part of the punishment. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User Fram and User LouisAlain. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much for telling me, Andy. Thank you also for your kind efforts there. I do apologize for any of my humour that you find particularly grating. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Really! — "outside of" — I'm speechless. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, Gareth, I've been blocked for a month for poorly paraphrasing three sentences from a fully-attributed non-English source. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:51, 30 January 2019 (UTC) p.s. I was about to "thank you" for your comment, but one doesn't have access to the "thank" function when one is blocked. So thanks.
So they kick you when you are down (but not out) Huh, it would appear that your past history of tireless diligence matters not a jot. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I think the standard reply is "any amount of article improvement does not make you immune from having to follow policy that applies to everyone". But it does occasionally look like punishing editors for breaking the rules is more important than content creation, or trying to help a fellow editor. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:23, 30 January 2019 (UTC) .... I think the more sensible question to ask would be "what percentage of the editor's edits are problematic?"
I must admit I had assumed Fram would have User talk:LouisAlain on his watchlist and would see my note to him there. I also assumed he would probably take a quick look at my Sandbox and offer any advice that was necessary. Not part of his Admin brief, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:34, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I trust that other, non-involved Admins, might be able to view the material that's been revdel-ed and form their own opinion. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Of course I'm all with you Martin, I know the feeling. Can't say more fear of being blocked until the end of times. Sigh. While blocked I translated The Childhood of a Leader with our common tormentor in mind. But 'nough said.

LouisAlain (talk) 17:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Ah, it now seems to be "part of pattern" of "troublesome behavior", as at Ben Rich (weather forecaster), which Fran must have been fully aware of when he blocked me? And not dredged up now, after four months, to justify a full month's block. I'd challenge anyone to rewrite a factual statement like this "in their own words": In 2012 Ben joined the Met Office team at the BBC Weather Centre and spent a year presenting UK and global forecasts. Surely, either Rich did this or he didn't? How can one copyright a simple declarative sentence like that exactly? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Agree, Martin, and just added you to the "rejected" box on my talk. No time for this, and ANI, right now, for the moment just look at Ray's Rules for "Don't waste your time". - It reminds me of Khazar being driven away by copyright violation accusations, and I tried to fix his articles. A terrible loss that was. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Gerda. Ray's Rules are spot on. Even if User:HJ Mitchell thinks I am a "somewhat troubled editor"! Yes, HJ.... troubled by the ton of bricks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
My last block from Fram (an indef, that lasted 2 days), a year ago, was for posting YouTube videos "without bothering to check" if they were copy vios. This one is for paraphrasing three lines of French into English. Not really the same kettle of fish at all, really? I do hope this block is not upheld at AN/I. If it is, I'm sorry to say that I certainly won't be around when it expires. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:07, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm not saying Fram doesn't have a point... But I am saying that his response was totally disproportionate. I'd unblock you myself but I'm biased, both by knowing you and by having had previous disagreements with Fram over his approach to good editors who have fucked up. I'd say wait for common sense to prevail, but ANI is terrible at resolving anything other than simple issues so I'm afraid you might be waiting a while. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:11, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
HJ, thank you for talking complete sense (as usual). Quite happy to wait (for a while, at least). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank goodness I'm not an admin (and never want to be one), or would unblock you and many others. Never understood how a block of a content editor ever made the encyclopedia better. Needless to say I also had my disagreements with Fram, so shouldn't. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you again, Gerda. No worries. Yes, I'm beginning to also see a pattern emerging, but not the one that Fram is so currently keen on emphasising. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:39, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps I need to dial things back a few notches and rethink some of my approaches. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Hi, Martin! This page is on my watchlist, so I've seen some of the recent developments. Because of what you wrote above, I looked at Ben Rich (weather forecaster), and was considerably less than encouraged by what I saw. I've suggested at ANI that that page should be sent to WP:CP – it needs to be rewritten pretty much from scratch, I believe. Then, more or less at random, I looked at Museo Casa de la Moneda (Madrid), where it seems that essentially every word is translated directly (and very nicely) from various pages of the website of the museum, with a bit from the FNMT. Do you believe that content to be free for anyone to use? Because I see nothing on this page to suggest that it might be. Sorry ... Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. Thanks for pointing that out. It seems I have a bit of a problem with non-English sources. I'm not sure I can avoid the "translated directly" bit, but I may have to adjust the "very nicely" part. Any suggestions on rewriting any of that article would be very welcome. I'll try and go through it. I seem to have an issue with often seeing source material as just "facts" that can't be rewritten without making them untrue, or at least less true. Feel free to check any of my contributions that you suspect. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
JLAN, the Earwig tool (which I have in my Sandbox and use whenever I can) shows "Violation Unlikely 16.7% confidence". How low does that level have to be to assuage your concerns? Is there a project-wide agreed maximum level? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, sorry, I was careless – I should have linked the tool to the specific version of Ben Rich I'd looked at, which was this one. It's now showing as more or less OK because you and Diannaa have made a number of changes. When you use Earwig's tool it really isn't the percentage that counts, but what the tool has marked as copied. If it's a mass of proper names and quoted material, there can be a high percentage but no copyright problem; if it's running text the page may need attention even if the percentage is low. The museum page needs to be completely rewritten, in words that are not those of the sources, preferably removing all existing text (except the opening sentence) before you do so. Please let me know if you need help with or advice on that or any other page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:34, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks for your scrutiny and helpful advice. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:56, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I've made a few changes at Museo Casa de la Moneda (Madrid).If you feel it needs more radical action and/or if you can locate any better secondary sources, I would heartily welcome your input. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
One problem with other Wikipedias is that they often don't point out that their content is "borrowed" from a site, and here you commit copyright violation when you translated and didn't even know it. Happened to me, too, just nobody saw it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
That is another pitfall, yes, except that in this case Fram had very clearly showed us the source. I just thought I had done enough to get round copyvio. And there wasn't just one source, there were three, all of which I thought I had attributed properly. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:06, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


Martin, I've unblocked you. A 1 month block in a situation like this is unproductive, and based on the comments at ANI, I think there's enough consensus about this that I'm not sticking my neck out too far here. This unblock is not because there weren't some close paraphrasing/direct translation problems - there were - but because the block button is a clumsy way to educate a good faith editor, and because this had little or nothing to do with the Youtube issues from a year ago. You've previously expressed respect for User:Diannaa's ability to explain copyright issues, so I'll ping her here and ask her to take a look and talk to you about it when she has time. Until then, probably a good idea to stay pretty far away from translations or rewording... --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:59, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, thank you Floquenbeam. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Martinevans123. Looking back through our previous discussions on your talk page, I found I've already given you my standard advice, here. Content has to be written in your own words and not include any of the source material. One thing I find that works for me is to read over the source material and then pretend I am verbally describing the topic to a friend in my own words. Don't look at the source document while preparing your prose, and you will be much more likely to come up with something fresh! then go back and compare with your source and make sure it's okay before you post your edit. Stuff should also be presented in a different order where possible. Summarize rather than paraphrase. This will typically result in your version being much shorter than the source document. It might be worth your while to have a look at and study this module aimed at WikiEd students. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:46, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Dianna. Thank you for that very useful advice. I know you are always very busy. I have made the change you kindly suggested for Ben Rich (weather forecaster). I will certainly take a look at that link. I think the slight difficulty I seemed to have with my wording for Philippe Chaperon was caused by the translation from the original French. I'm sure it could have been easily sorted with just a few tweaks. A great of drama could have been very easily avoided. Anyway, thanks again. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Part of the problem with Ben Rich (weather forecaster) is that the article is based pretty much solely on the one source. What I try to do is have at least three sources and draw on all of them when preparing my edit. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:13, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm glad you're unblocked, Martin. This is honestly one of the worst blocks I've seen in quite some time (I say that knowing I've made a few stupid blocks over the years). Nonetheless, take the advice you've been given by Floq and Diannaa (both editors and admins I hold in the highest esteem) and be much more careful in future. Diannaa's point about summarising rather than paraphrasing is particularly worth mulling over. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:51, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks HJ. I can't think of anything I've seen you write that I've disagreed with. I have a great deal of respect for your work here. Likewise with the esteem for those two. Diannaa's copyright advice is always excellent and I will certainly take it on board. She's already given a perfect example of just that principle. Meanwhile, I do hope someone will have anther go at creating a better version of Philippe Chaperon. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Voceditenore did. Joy to the world! - It's a birthday, also, more on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for telling me. Looks like it's now in very good hands. Still not sure why it had to deleted twice instead of just being retained as a stub, with the "offending parts" removed and/or revdeled. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Much as I'm glad this is all resolved, all thing being equal, I'd rather be in mainspace than arguing at ANI. I've lost my appetite for the politics. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:22, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I can see why. Main space is pretty monumental, isn't it. But I've heard that In France They Kiss on Main Space (allegedly). Martinevans123 (talk) 23:27, 30 January 2019 (UTC) please provide your own copyright-compliant YT video
omg - unblocked and into quoting joni justlikethat :) JarrahTree 03:18, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
A great artist and one who deserves quoting, I think. I saw my 8 hours 41 minutes as a "learning opportunty" as, I expect, did some others. Apologies again for the random piping. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
classy piping, to a FA (which hasn't appeared as TFA yet) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Great to read this excellent result that your one-month ban is quashed and your equilibrium restored.
Thank you, Diannaa, for your considerable help here, and for the link to the dashboard training module; I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that I chose all the correct answers to the quiz. Cheers! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Looking at the DDT example in "plagiarism", I think I still have a problem with not being able to use many of the same words in the same order for scientific topics. Science tends to be built on facts. And there's only so far you can go with re-writing facts in you own words. The article says quite plainly "you should paraphrase the ideas and concepts you want to share on Wikipedia: present the information, phrased in a new way" which seems to slightly contradict its earlier advice that one should instead rewrite a whole passage, in one's own words, using a wholly different structure. Glad to say I also got all the quiz answers right. Some of those quiz options are quite scary, though, aren't they? e.g. "Delete your Wikipedia account, because you've been blacklisted as a plagiarist." Who would ever be tempted to do that (after a month-long block, for instance)? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Martinevans123. I still do not have time to work on articles again. RL will also stop me in the next few months. But I watch what happens. I am glad that you are unblocked. The information from User: Diannaa is very helpful for my planned texts. Especially since I will use English, Spanish, French and more languages as the source of my review of articles. I signed in to Wiki Education - all questions answered correctly. Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 21:56, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you Maxim. Yes, Diannaa if one of the most efficient and helpful editors here, I think. RL?Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Real Life — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:34, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah yes. How easy to forget. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:38, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
  • So glad that you're free again to participate Martinevans123. I feel a tad annoyed that all this melodrama happened because you tried to rescue a page of mine that was deleted. From now on, no more translations from French or German texts, I simply didn't know it was considered copyvios (yes, it sounds stupid now). I'll link to them without any further fuss. May this piece enlight your heart this morning. Some happy triggers are devoted disciples of Discipline and Punish. Yours, LouisAlain (talk) 05:25, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Clive SwiftEdit

 On 3 February 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Clive Swift, which you updated and nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:42, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks, MSGJ. I always thought Swift's acting was wonderfully subtle. Roy was a real gem of a performance. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:04, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


Ouch! Thanks for letting me know Red Director (talk) 15:58, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

No worries. Easily done. I try to delay my cookies until least 5 edits! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Your wish...Edit my command. Not wild about it, but it'll do in a pinch until I can get a better one. PS: one of my body parts illustrates another article on Wikipedia. Care to guess which? :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 23:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks for that! Have added. I'll be guessing for a while. But I'm really the wrong person to ask. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:54, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
I'll give you a hint...although you may just knuckle under and guess. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:00, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Quite a challenge, although I'm sure you'd make a great tackle. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:42, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is there something fishy about that statement? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Apologies. I'm just casting about randomly. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Gareth Griffith-JonesEdit

Re: the below:

(talk page stalker) @ TonyPS214. You are writing almost unbelievable horse shit here. Your opinions are crass; if you question such an esteemed contributor as User:Softlavender on grammar and punctuation in such a rude way, it is you that will be reported for disruptive editing. Back off now before it is too late! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:24, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Goodness me Gareth. Are you sure that shouldn't be "horse (shit)" or "(horse) shit"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate the sarcasm; it makes dealing with a user like Gareth Griffith-Jones easier.TonyPS214 16:34, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi TonyPS214. Please excuse my typically lame facetiousness. I am glad if you can see the humorous side to this. And I had hoped you might have been able to resolve your differences without recourse to the dispute resolution notice board. I do hope also that you can take Gareth's somewhat strongly worded comment with a pinch of salt. I'm sure no real offence was intended. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 6 February 2019 (UTC) p.s. I notice that you have been an editor for some years and I'm surprised that you don't sign your posts using four tildes " ~~~~ " - this is a basic procedure that allows other editors to link to User page or Talk page. Thanks.

Fish n' ChipsEdit

Fish n' Chips redirects to Fish and Chips
Fish 'n' Chips is its own page.
I don't think it makes sense to have so much depend upon a single . ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 22:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
You know the purpose of Template:Redirect, don't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Reporting a guy who is a sheer example of VandalismEdit

On the article of Eddie Vedder, i made an edit adding a quote box to the Legacy section of the page as it was short of content and a template of 'contents to be added' too was placed there. That quotebox comprises of 51 words none of which has been altered in anyway and so it obliges with all the rules and laws(you can check it). But then a wikipedian RegentsPark was witnessed doing disruptive editing as he vandalised the article by reverting that edit just because i am a sockpuppet. An edit is never a sockpuppet and unless it is non-constructive or disruptive, one should not remove it but he did and will surely do it again thats why i again put that quotebox there to show you that. Also RegentsPark has multiple and last warnings on his talk page which says that if he did edit disruptively again he would be blocked but he is proving to be relentless. And i think this is a time to teach him a lesson. Either his adminship be removed or he gets a block, one of these is necessary. Because this is a case of wikipedian taking the avatar of Muhammad bin Tughluq. Wish you have a nice day brother, Keep yourself up like this. Yours useless friend 2405:204:A418:BF64:0:0:1520:B0AD (talk) 04:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC) Edit: One more man, Calton has previously been cautioned many times before for personal attacks and edit warring. And he has just now reverted my edit because "the edit summary doesn't makes sense" as he said about the reason why he did so. Is this some kind of joke? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:A418:BF64:0:0:1520:B0AD (talk) 07:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) One might not be blamed for assuming Martin is an admin. Where's your mop? Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I have to admit that my mop went out with the Rutles. But please don't bait real Admins, who may be lurking in the shadows, and who may want to teach me a lesson. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Ouch! That would hurt more than a bit. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:47, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
What you guys are talking about? Even if you aren't admin you can help me by enquiring about these two guys who are openly vandalizing Wikipedia. These two guys have been warned nor once neither twice but nearly 5 times(calton being subject to personal attacks on other editors nearly 10 times). These two guys should be blocked immediately. Please just go on Eddie Vedder page and see the history and quotebox added by me. It should be there and one should praise me too for perseverance to compete against these Wikicheatians but im not asking for praise. Please stop this Marty. Regards 2405:204:A507:3721:0:0:1C46:E8A1 (talk) 17:59, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
We are just talking. It is allowed, you know. But you would be wise to seek help from an Admin. My own advice to you is, as before, very simple: create a user account and stick to it. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:05, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
"Marty! Where we're going, we don't need roads." The Rambling Man (talk) 18:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Hmm, I'll need to keep my eye on this guy. I'm well aware of this government's transport policy, thank you. But, quite frankly, Wikipedia sometimes starts to seem a little pointless. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I ain't talking about creating a user account brother. You have a lot of friends who are administrators. For the sake of anti-vandalism you can just address one of them to block these guys. These guys are openly vandalising wikipedia and if not done something now, they will surely cause huge damage to the reputation of Wikipedia someday. I don't need an account because I don't wanna do editing but i saw RegentsPark who has been editing disruptively for many years and this is the time to get that adminship off him or block him because he is too corrupt to be an admin. (talk) 03:45, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Try to understand Martin. They both have so many edits compared to me, an IP address. Others won't give a damn to what I say even if I am right in the situation. I have witnessed it before when peoples like regents park kept provoking and humiliating me unfairly but due to my lack of awareness and no support at all, I couldn't do anything to him. This is the time for the justice and I will do whatever required. (talk) 04:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Is this for real? I feel somebody is about to implode. Why donja? Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
"They both have so many edits compared to me, an IP address." IP addresses can have many edits, often from multiple contributors. Whether this is an advantage for you is another question. There are, however, many advantages to having a registered account. And as far as requesting admin action is concerned, I'm not sure that "friendship" is meant to play any part. But if you are really unable to find anyone to help you, perhaps you could show a diff of an edit here, by one of these editors who have been "witnessed doing disruptive editing", and explain why you think it's "vandalism"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I dont know how to give diffs. Can you tell me? And after that i will directly take this matter to administrator noticeboard. Cuz i dont see any hope here now. (talk) 10:57, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
View history > Prev > (then just copy and paste the url). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Gotcha! I have addressed the problem on Admin noticeboard. If you have time, then go and read my statement and support me if you agree because if you stand by my side then the article will surely get justics. It may sound a bit funny though:)).2405:204:A507:3721:0:0:1C46:E8A1 (talk) 11:51, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Oooh, that sounds a bit accusatory. Let's hope there are no Argentinians watching. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure those two will be exactly quivering in their boots. Oh well. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:40, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Your reinstatement of sock puppet's editEdit

Hi Martinevans123, I noticed you just undid my revert of the edit by IP user (the one who commented "fuck off") in Fish and chips. This is an obvious sock puppet of long-term-abusive editor Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shingling334/Archive. He has made the same edit many times, and does this disruptive changing of English-British nationality in many articles. The article has previously said English origin for many years, with sources. Could you undo your edit? Thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 17:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi IamNotU. Fish and chips originates in the United Kingdom, not solely in England. To suggest otherwise is utterly ridiculous. I'm very sorry if this sockpuppet has caused trouble elsewhere, but that hardly means an article has to remain factually incorrect, does it? I'm sure I can see the proof that the IP is definitely confirmed as the same editor(although I understand if you have been following them you will know much more about their editing habits than do I). I've just searched the two archives there and I don't see any extensive discussion of England vs Britain, so perhaps that is overdue? Looking at the content of that book source New Ethnicities And Urban Cult by Les Back, it's possible that one could base the argument on the claim that London is the capital of England, but not the capital of Great Britain. That argument seems somewhat fallacious. In fact, saying just "England" in the first sentence seems to make the opening section slightly self-contradictory. I'm very sorry if this causes you a problem, I just think it should be properly discussed. Thanks Martinevans123 (talk) 17:19, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree, but the thing is that it has not been properly discussed, and this block-evading editor is the only one who has made this edit, changing from English to British. He has been causing disruption in this article going back years, edit-warring over this same change ([25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], etc.). It has never received support by anyone else, and has always been reverted, including by several admins. Apart from brief periods before his edits were noticed and reverted (the longest one being the recent period since his last edit in December), the article has said "Fish and chips is a hot dish of English origin", supported by the BBC reference ("It is safe to say it was somewhere in England") since 2013. I would like to restore to the previous long-standing version. If you'd like to get a consensus on the talk page to change it, you're welcome to. I don't have a fixed opinion about it either way, but I don't think it's acceptable to allow this person to get their edit through in this way, in contradiction to the source and undiscussed, after so much disruption, see for example WP:BMB. --IamNotU (talk) 18:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I will not revert you. I may open a discussion thread over there. I think opening with "Fish and chips is a hot dish of English origin ..." is less than ideal. Maybe there has been some prior agreement, for reasons of standardisation, by WP:WikiProject Food and drink, that I am unaware of. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Ok, thanks... ps, the IP has now been blocked for his typical antics, which are documented in the SPI file above. --IamNotU (talk) 21:13, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
If you would take a moment to read that source from Les Back's book, you will see how ironic it is that it's been used to support the notion that fish and chips originate from "English cuisine". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
The article doesn't say that fish and chips 'originate from "English cuisine"'. It says it's "a dish of English origin", which to my reading is a more precise geographical location than "British". As explained clearly in the next paragraph, the constituent parts are likely Portuguese Jewish fish, and French/Belgian chips, so I'm not sure why "British" is any more applicable than "English". To the extent that the combination of the two means the dish can be said to have "originated" in the UK, the bottom line is that it started out in England, not Scotland, Wales, or Ireland. Back's book supports that, and talks about the importance of immigrants' contributions to English culture and society. Thank-you by the way, for adding the Google books link.
Even if the lead sentence was interpreted as giving some indication of cultural rather than simply geographical origin, in my mind at least, the concept of "English" includes very much a long history of immigration. Though I suppose others may think of it as a white Anglo-Saxon ethnicity, one can't speak of "English cuisine" without mentioning curry for example. As Back says, "the historical denial of the long-standing presence of Africans and south Asians has meant that their contribution to English society has been ignored" - to me, denying the possibility to name fish and chips "English", is again to ignore those contributions, though I suppose the opposite could be argued, that if "English" means "white", then we shouldn't call it that. I guess it depends how you look at it. As I said, I don't have a fixed opinion about it, nor do I find it all that interesting or important as a question to be answered. No doubt there's been some relevant discussion about the meaning of "Englishness", and when to use one over the other, probably somewhere other than the Fish and chips talk page, but I'm not sure where.
What I do know is that going around arbitrarily changing them as the blocked editor does, is considered disruptive. You're completely right though, that fish and chips has become an integral part of British cuisine and culture in general, as can be seen by the "British cuisine" template directly below the infobox. If you'd like to change the "main article" link in the History section from "English cuisine" to "British cuisine", I don't see a problem with that - both articles emphasize the many external influences. But changing the lead sentence, even if there weren't already sources supporting it, would require at least a discussion on the talk page first, which I imagine could lead to drawn out disagreements over semantics, identity politics, and national origins of food, and in the end might not accomplish much of anything... --IamNotU (talk) 13:35, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Well then, I probably won't bother opening a thread. I suspect most dishes "new" to British cuisine, and especially to English cuisine, originated in London. The article opens with ".. a hot dish of English origin..." that piped link is to English cuisine. If you think that should be a purely geographical link, then I guess you should change it. Personally I'm not convinced, but it seems now that it's really not worth the effort. In case I wasn't sufficiently clear above, I do not condone "... going around arbitrarily changing links like that blocked editor does". Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:48, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Just a note of caution Martin, some admins think all editors are fully commensurate with all long-term blocked, banned and generally disruptive sockpuppets, to the extent that if you restore their edits (in absolutely 100% good faith, of course), you are deemed as an "enabler" or a "proxy" and can be blocked yourself for doing so. I speak of this with first-hand experience. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Ah yes, thanks. I can look forward to a few more wiki holidays, then. I now see that Panikos Panayi has written a whole book on the subject: Fish and Chips: A History (2014). Surprisingly, there seems to be no mention of his work in the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Martinevans123, you're right, I hadn't noticed that piped link. Still, the English cuisine article does emphasize the contributions of immigrants in general, and specifically addresses fish and chips. You were clear that you don't condone arbitrarily changing links as the blocked editor does, sorry if it sounded that way, and I didn't mean to imply that your edit was disruptive. It's clear to me that you were editing independently and in good faith. --IamNotU (talk) 14:20, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for taking time to make that clear. I know how frustrating IP vandals can be. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Changes of AddressEdit

I was just listening to the "Change of Address Jam" by Blind Faith and slightly lamented that you don't get hidden gems like this anymore. I mean, you wouldn't get Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood having a jam session when somebody changed their username on here, would you? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

No, you wouldn't, or even if they just changed their IP. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)....blimey, that jam goes on a bit, doesn't it... like one of the shorter songs by you know who. p.s. just enjoying this gem at the moment....

February 2019Edit

  Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to Bruno Ganz: you may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. Krenair (talkcontribs) 18:27, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Goodness me, how thoughtful of you. I think I'll just sit back and let you have a go. The last 15 minutes have been a real breeze. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
User:Krenair, I appreciate you dropping by, with your first edit in 8 days, to remind me about users' talk page warnings templates (which these days I find the need to employ on an almost daily basis). I'm really not sure if you're a huge fan of that particular image, but I didn't feel overly keen to extend any particular courtesy to that Glasgow-based IP vandal. I was expecting an immediate block which, after 14 minutes, was what was eventually given. I'm somewhat surprised you felt the need to remind me to warn such a vandal when, as far as I'm aware, you made no reverts yourself and added no template warnings yourself. I'm the one who needs the "gentle reminder" here? Really?? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, and I believe the majority of non-registered editors are unaware of their Talk pages. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 19:33, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I really wasn't expecting an in-depth debate about the relevance of that image on the IP's Talk page. In fact I honestly believe that adding warning templates in those circumstances is a complete waste of time. I was initially also a little surprised about a block of only a one-week, but I guess these sort of vandals are so well used to IP-hopping, that anything longer is also wasted effort. It's very frustrating to be locked in a vandalism revert battle, knowing that all that is needed is a simple block. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
When my attention was drawn to the page, I found the current version was not vandalised (so nothing for me to revert personally) but I did find a lot of reverts without corresponding warnings/reports. Making edit summaries asking for a block is unlikely to result in fast admin notice and action. I recommend AIV. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 19:26, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your note, Krenair. I'm well aware of AIV. I guess it's a question of how long any of us are prepared to tolerate having an image like that one emblazoned across an article. I was relieved when an anon IP joined in to share the continuous revert burden - and believe me this was continuous, hence the urgency. I'm sorry that I didn't find your message above in any way helpful. I'm sure you were just trying to help. Next time I would urge you to not just take one quick look at the current article version, but instead look at the history to see the pattern of what is going on. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I did look at the history. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 20:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I see. And you thought no more reverts would be needed, no warnings were needed on the IP Talk page, and no reporting was needed at AIV. Just a gentle reminder to me to "please do better"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:18, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Welsh timelineEdit

Hi Martin, I thought you might be interested in this. Iechyd da! Rodney Baggins (talk) 15:18, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Mae'n bryd dweud wrth y snobs Saesneg hyn ble i fynd! Many thanks for telling me,Rodney. I will help if I can. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Erm, I actually am English, but I'm certainly not a snob! Further to my comment on the Wales Project page, my great grandparents were a Mr. and Mrs. Evans (!) who moved across from North Wales to the Potteries in the late 1800s (I think). My dad's mum's maiden name was Evans, so you and I are probably related somewhere along the line! And Rodney Baggins is only a pen name I use on here, I'd love to tell you my real name, but I really mustn't... Rodney is my white cat's name, hence the infobox pic on my user page (which I got from Commons but it looks exactly like him) and Baggins is just a comical surname I happened to borrow from Tolkein (who incidentally lived for a short time in Kings Heath, which is where I grew up). As for the Welsh timeline, I'm busy compiling a list of pages to pull facts from and I'll post again with a "plan" and hopefully inspire a few others to help because I honestly can't see me doing it all by myself! Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:19, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Sorry "Baggers". Yes, it was another attempted joke, I'm afraid. I resigned from Cymdeithas after I accidentally burned down my own holiday home. I'd also love to tell you my real name, but I really mustn't. But great to hear of a possible family connection! I will try and help, Rodney, and I promise to never call you a complete plonker. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC) p.s. you might want to swap notes with Old Threesie. He's also fond of cats (allegedly)!

(edit conflict) @ Rodney Baggins, You are mistaken in supposing that as, "My dad's mum's maiden name was Evans, so you and I are probably related somewhere along the line." Please refer to Welsh surnames ... but well done for starting the Welsh timeline project. All the best! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:54, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

On the flammable accommodation bit, do you remember many years ago one of the TV comedy/current affairs shows, probably Not the Nine O'Clock News, had a brief but funny spoof ad: the NCB campaign "Come Home To A Real Fire" was massaged/segued into "... buy a holiday cottage in Wales!" Etc etc. DBaK (talk) 13:11, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Oh, yes boyo bach. I remember that as if it was only yesterday. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
What a voice!

Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

"By 'eck lad, t'lass were reet gradely", (as they say east of the Pennines). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
"and to put a name to face ... as it were". Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
The translated Italian sounds quite different, not surprisingly:
"Once upon a time there was a road
A good wind brought me there
And if memory does not mislead me
At the corner you presented yourself.
Those were the days
Oh yes, those were the days
In the world you can not ask for more
And we also danced without music.
There was much more in our hearts." Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

RID (Recent Iconic Deaths)Edit

Any predictions on how long Karl is going to be lagering behind his iconic dark glasses in the ITN Feld? – Sca (talk) 23:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Goodness me. That is inspired. Funniest question I have seen in 2019. ROFWOBVMB' = "rolling on floor with obligatory Bottega Veneta man-bag". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:30, 20 February 2019 (UTC) ... these German youngsters... they know nothing, mere kids with a kink!

About Estonian BLPEdit

Hi, per Template:Infobox person Place of birth: city, administrative region, sovereign state. Soviet union never had sovereignty over Baltic states. See Occupation of the Baltic states. People born in France 1940–1944 are not listed as born in German ReichChristian Boltanski, Catherine Deneuve, Édith Lejet, Claudine Auger... All Estonian BLP use just Estonia as birth place. --Klõps (talk) 23:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

With your kind permission I will copy this over to Talk:Jüri Ratas. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
No problem. Thank You! --Klõps (talk) 23:32, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
I heard Estonian ;) - id=FT-iUcdMVlk - going to sing on 10 March The Deer's Cry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:36, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the link Gerda. That sounds great. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
The Hidden Valley, Negev
... with thanks from QAI
Thank you for article improvements in February, and spirits! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Gerda! It seems one has to be careful with spirits in Estonia. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

No end, now André Previn is no longer a BLP. Can we reference "him" together, perhaps? Part of my memories, his violin concerto played by the dedicatee, if my memory doesn't fail me. - If referencing is unsuccessful, I could perhaps write about that piece. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

He certainly deserves to be on Main page. Quite an age. Dear old Andrew Preview. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
He deserves, but it's not my kind of article. Why so much about a LA conflict, + the 5 wives, but not a word about style of music-making? Will write about the concerto ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
"Any old junk can get into main page as long as it's all sourced." (but please don't quote me on that). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:29, 28 February 2019 (UTC) ... and in 1963, long before Mr Privet: FqHH1UQqIMs
Even before AP reached the Main page, there was interest. (111k+) I managed the concerto, with Ritchie's help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Well done. A very worthy tribute, as it turned out. I think we rather flatter ourselves that the general reader is ever really directed by what's on Main page. I suspect 95% of traffic for a RD comes direct from Google Search and bypasses Main Page altogether. And of course there's no finesse with ITN - either it's there or it isn't; the process doesn't allow for a posting with a blurb for so many hours and then a demotion back down to plain old RD. All too difficult. Previn may have been "a major transformative world leader in his field", or he may not. I'm not sure I'm very well placed to make that judgement call. I think you'd need an expert to do that. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Wales 21-13 EnglandEdit

Before Saint David's Day we get Saint Josh's Day. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

2019 Piper PA-46 Malibu crashEdit

Thanks for adding the interim report. The key thing is that the plane was trying to maintain visual meteorological conditions for UK and European Class D airspace by night, which are 5 km flight visibility, 1,500 m horizontally from cloud, 1,000 ft (300m) vertically from cloud. At night, during the winter and over the sea, this may have been difficult. We also know that the flight plan was supposed to be conducted by visual flight rules. I can't help but wondering if maintaining this requirement became too difficult on the night.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, AAIB obviously think that weather was a factor. That last altitude reading looks erroneous. He ascended again? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:18, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Plus the plane turned back on itself in the final moments of the flight (Figure 10). The pilot may have been increasingly worried about maintaining the required VMC minima for visibility in adverse conditions. It will also be of key importance to learn whether he could fly in instrument meteorological conditions. Without the ability to do this, the plane would have been impossible to fly on a dark night in bad weather.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:27, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I wonder what time he planned to leave? The report says: "The pilot arrived at the airport in Nantes at 1246 hrs on 21 January to refuel and prepare the aircraft for the flight. At 1836 hrs the passenger arrived at airport security, and the aircraft taxied out for departure at 1906 hrs." With the pilot arriving at that time you might have expected a departure of before 15.00? But it was already dark by the time they eventually took off. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:34, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
We also know from the French media that the original take-off time was 10 AM French time on 21 January.[33] Things would have gone awry if the flight went ahead at night and the pilot could not find Class D VMC minima. It would have been like driving down a country lane at night without headlights. Under these conditions, maintaining the flight dynamics is very difficult as there are insufficient visual references. It is now looking very odd that the flight went ahead after dark.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:44, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • It has also been reported that Ibbotson aborted three attempted takeoffs in Nantes.[34][35] If true, this is astonishing and would lead to serious doubts about his qualifications for the flight. I thought about adding this to the article, but decided to wait for firmer confirmation from the AAIB.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • That does seem quite notable, and very alarming. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
This piece from Private Eye 1489 is also interesting. Ouest-France pointed out within days that the flight plan filed at Nantes Airport was dubious, given that it specified visual flight rules and a take off time of 10 AM French time; the UK media has only just caught up with this.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:58, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes that Eye piece focuses on the fact that neither the pilot nor the aircraft seems to have been properly licensed, But then it's also unclear if Sala was a "fee-paying" passenger or not. Added to that, there's the Facebook post from Ibbotson about "being a bit rusty" on ILS. And then there's the odd/ delayed timing and the conflict with VFR. And there's also Sala's message, while in flight, about the plane looking like it was poorly maintained. And there's also the likelihood the weather turned bad. Plenty of risk factors/ causes for alarm. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
It's also interesting that no expert has said that flying a single engined aircraft over the English Channel at night is illegal. What they have said is that it is inadvisable, eg Alastair Rosenschein here. Perhaps surprisingly, current CAA rules do allow VFR at night.[36] This may have to be looked at if the plane was lost due to VFR failure.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
There is a new piece about Sala in Private Eye 1491.[37] The Robert Murgatroyd case is interesting, more coverage here. Regardless of whether money is or is not involved, it is still against the rules for a private pilot to arrange a flight simply to carry passengers. Obviously once money becomes involved, there is a real temptation to do this. The figure in the Eye article estimating that 10% of flights are grey charters strikes me as somewhat speculative, but there are concerns that some private pilots are bending or breaking the rules. If they get away with it, they may think that it is OK, but if it all goes wrong, it will emerge that they have been foolish and greedy, like Robert Murgatroyd.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Yes, more about Murgatroyd than Ibbotson and Sala. I agree 10% is probably a very rough guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Incidentally, the Murgatroyd incident is very similar to the Death of Aaliyah, and the prosecution was right that it amazing that no-one was killed. None of this encourages you to take a flight in a light aircraft.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:27, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for that one, had not seen. I have taken a few, purely as a means of sharing the fuel bill for the pilot in a four-seater, but only ever on round-trips from a single airfield and only ever with an instructor pilot in the co-pilot seat. I'm glad to say all have been wholly uneventful and most enjoyable. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't fancy flying across the English Channel, at night, in bad weather, in Winter, with a single pilot who was "a bit rusty", no matter how free it was. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Lance PercivalEdit

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Clivemasters's edits to Lance Percival. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. I have added a brief comment. You summery seems quite complete. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for raising this. I applaud User:Floquenbeamfor the swift and decisive action. Four years after Percival died and 49 years after the incident in question, one wonders why does anyone really care about this so much. One might guess some family connection to the unfortunate Mrs. Jillian Young. But I guess we will never know. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
"Swift and Decisive" is my middle name. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Hmmm, curious. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

The DTsEdit

Racists, cheats and conmen are people too, you know. – Sca (talk) 16:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Well, barely. The sky's the limit, I guess. Or is it the size of his personal checkbook? I'm not sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Whatever makes you say that? – Sca (talk) 02:49, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

♫ It's the most wonderful time ♫Edit

♫ of the year ♫.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:32, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Ah yes, just the time for some awesome Austrian symphonic black metal!! [38]. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC) Ond diolch yn fawr am eich dymuniadau da!

RIP André PrevinEdit

Rhapsody in Blue, Ain't Misbehavin', Black and Blue. The list of his jazz highlights goes on and on. Those TV programmes with Oscar Peterson really were wonderful. They had quite similar playing styles (as I think Ain't Misbehavin' there (1963?) demonstrates). AP never had the brilliance, clarity or sheer power of OP, but they had similar swing and phrasing. There's something charming about Previn's more laid back, even lazier, touch. Sorry to ramble so.... or even Rumble Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

RIP indeed. Such a wide ranging career. From his film scores of the 50's through the jazz pieces you mention to his Sounds Magnificent series where he taught me about the history of the Symphony he was wonderfully talented. Best regards to you M (and thanks for the links) and your talk page watchers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:51, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes quite. I'm not sure how "major transformative world leaders in their field" applies here. His "field" was really so very wide. There are very few musicians of the past 70 years who have been equally productive and well-respected in jazz, film and classical music. He was a bit of a one off, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

RIP Jacques LoussierEdit

Do you know Previn 2? Jacques Loussier, referencing just as bad. But I go to bed, with his Play Bach on my mind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:07, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh my God. Another great. I had not heard. Another one of my early heroes. Hearing him was a pivotal moment in my musical appreciation. Thanks for the news anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Similar for me, and then I heard him once more, Rheingau Musik Festival, took pictures, but that was before digital cameras. Lovely place, I was on the balcony, - bad perspective anyway ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Third time - legendary - Loussier and Brubeck. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Goodness me how lucky you were. That looks very special. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Waking up! - Ever so proud of this historic edit. Will look after his article after morning routine (operatic DYK to opera and Germany, thank yous and watchlist). 3 songs to Ravel's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

RIP Michael GielenEdit

My heart! Today I wanted to expand Loussier, but first write about a woman, Liane Synek on IWD, who took part in the premiere of Die Soldaten, conducted by Michael Gielen. I took that to the lead. He died, as I just found out. During the Gielen era I saw Aida, and heard him say in an interview, asked why - with all these great conducting projects - he also composed, and he said that if he didn't he'd have to kill someone. RIP. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Ah, that is sad. But yes, a fine age of 91 years I see. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes. This article is almost fully referenced, for a change, but under-facted. So much in the external most of which still existed, - I'm just too tired. Tomorrow. I followed your example and fished an image from the commons ;) - also showing Reimann in 1965, - met him last year (Medea), when he looked more like in his article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:35, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussionEdit

  Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lehol (talkcontribs) 19:47, 2 March 2019 (UTC) (This misplaced notice was moved here from User:Martinevans123. —C.Fred (talk) 20:25, 2 March 2019 (UTC))

Yes, thanks. There seems to have been some slight misunderstanding as to which country Dublin was in, in 1909, when the artist Francis Bacon was born there. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, at that time and nowadays Dublin is the capital of Ireland. The UK is made of/constituted by countries, differently from USA, which is constituted by states. At that time UK was composed of the following countries: Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. Dublin was never a British city, simply because it is out of Britain, and it sounds completely unfair to say that someone is British if he/she was born in the time of British empire, people born in East countries other than Russia cannot be considered Russian nowadays if they were born in the old Soviet Union state, Portuguese born in the time of Spanish rule are not considered Spanish. You could have left "Dublin, Ireland" and in parentheses have put "part of the UK of Great Britain and Ireland at the time", this nation does not exist anymore since the independence of Ireland as you know. So bear in mind: If you're born in Britain you're British if you're born in Ireland you're Irish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lehol (talkcontribs) 22:43, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I seem to have lost the gist of your argument there. My argument was simply this:
However the infobox you were edit warring over has now been removed. So you'll need to take your argument elsewhere or, better still, just forget about it. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:53, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
p.s. you've been editing since 10 February. Could you please start to sign your Talk page posts by using four tildes like this: ~~~~ ? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:16, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Oops, sorry – misclickEdit

Hi Martin, sorry about this nuclear revert with extra drama and mayonnaise – I have literally no idea how I did that! Apologies, DBaK (talk) 21:37, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

How very exciting. I've now got you pencilled in as the IP from King's College London. It keeps us entertained!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Good Lord. That is exciting. Will I receive an enamel badge or something? That would be nice. Thanks, DBaK (talk) 21:44, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
A badge? Here's one I made (much) made earlier. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Well that's very very nice thank you young man! Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Ooooh, young maaaaan!! "And uh, you Sir, at the back, in the green pullover, do you have a clichéd thought for us?": End of an Era Martinevans123 (talk) 23:04, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Brut y BrenhineddEdit

The source so describes it, but I think it means "the version/edition of the book held at Dingestow Court". I think your straight link is better. KJP1 (talk) 12:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Ah yes. I was too lazy to even check the source. But I was guessing you had followed source(s). I'm not sure if a piped link, or even a full brief explanation in parentheses, would be any better. I'm sorry to just parachute in like that. The perils of the Watchlist! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
No worries. As with most of these obscure Monmouthshire houses, you, I and Ghmyrtle are the only ones who ever edit them, so it's good there's any interest at all! Although Mounton House has recently received some attention, I suspect from residents of the school previously located in the house. But they seem rather less interested in recording Tipping's architectural achievements than in creating a list of the members of their soccer team. KJP1 (talk) 12:58, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Haha. Yes, we all need "the beautiful game" (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Content forks at ITNEdit

My apologies, it seems I misunderstood. It's oft mentioned that I don't contribute in article space, and it makes me defensive. Thanks for clarifying. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:08, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

No worries. I'm rather guilty of making the odd joke or random aside at ITN/RD, occasionally even in bad taste. But if you felt so very strongly about the mistake made in posting André Previn, you could have made your first comment something other than "-that was fast. TWO dead Germans in the box in just two weeks"?! I almost felt quite jealous. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC) p.s. no-one's ever going to knowingly want to be seen "pulling a Pell", are they?
At the time I hadn't read it, it was a legit reaction to the speedy posting. I took at look at the article after and !voted for a pull. FWIW I don't see the importance of George Pell either, but there is consensus to post it and the article is fine so what can I do. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation. I also often make remarks from a gut reaction and end up looking quite foolish. It often pays to be cautious. But it seems your instinctive reaction here was quite accurate as it turned out. I still wish we could spend less time debating at the nomination and more time just each adding a few sources each. I'm not sure André will ever get back on as an RD blurb now, which I think is a shame. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Listen Martin, I am pulling all the right hooks ..... but not necessarily in the right order! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
As a musical Admin, could you not "pull a few strings"?? [39]. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Be careful of when to use rollback.Edit

Hi there. I noticed that you used rollback on this diff. Try not to use rollback on those situations, since the IP made edits in good faith. The IP thought a British word is spelled wrong, which is certainly not vandalism. Should you accidentally used rollback, you should use a dummy edit. Cheers!INeedSupport :3 16:21, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I have no idea what the IP (from the University of Wisconsin) was thinking as there was no edit summary and they have made no other edits to this artiole or any other ever (as far as I can tell). If you are in contact with this anon IP editor I would appreciate your help in appraising them of British spelling conventions. I see you have already given them a spelling lesson on my behalf. Cheers! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:25, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

RIP Jacques Loussier (26 October 1934 – 5 March 2019)Edit

Just a genius [40]. Solo: [41] For me it was like flipping the musical coin and suddenly seeing tails instead of heads. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jacques LoussierEdit

 On 7 March 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jacques Loussier, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 23:01, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Some Bach, but not from Jacques. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:19, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
willow blossom
... with thanks from QAI

Musical thanks! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:45, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Spanish ArcherEdit

Hi Martin, long time no see – my apologies! I've just come across the WP article Spanish Archer. It has no references at all, and the British Film Institute's bios for the show's alleged presenters, Rhodri Williams and Ruth Madoc don't mention it. I can't find any reliable sources to show that it existed at all. I'm always very reluctant to suggest the deletion of an article, in fact I can't recall ever having done so. What do you think about this case? Very best wishes! JezGrove (talk) 23:43, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

BBC salariesEdit

(copied from User talk:Juanpumpchump)

Hello Juanpumpchump. Why do you think Template:Infobox person has a parameter entry for "Salary" if not to add a well-sourced salary? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:26, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, if you look at the whole story about what BBC staff earn then yes because the BBC is clearly out of governmental control and does need to be reigned back in especially because in the past they have been exposed when they rigged viewers competitions and nothing to mention about Operation Yewtree at all...
Re: the salaries then no because it a private matter what you as a member of the public earn as it is between you and your employer and if you go to your Human Resources department at your workplace about "how much Dave Bloggs earns", they will tell you that it is his personal information, they will not release his personal information and that it is none of your business.
These pay salary issues came to light when the British press pretty much had a dry period and then they all jumped on the band wagon and it is a matter of light entertainment history that ITV and other previous UK independent companies such as Lew Grade's ATV - always paid their staff more than the BBC and that is completely ignored.
If you read Jon Pertwee's book "Moon Boots & Dinner Suits" he quotes that if you worked for ITV in the 1970s you earned twice as much for half the filming schedule with ITV than the BBC and when he asked for a little bit more money at the end of his 4th year as the Doctor when he had agreed to film the next series he was told that the fifth series would then be his last and the producers shook his hand and wished him all the best for the future.
I welcome a reply to my statement.
Juanpumpchump (talk) 13:21, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
HiJuanpumpchump: The fact that BBC salaries have been published in the public domain shows very clearly that they are certainly not "a private matter". I'm sure Jon Pertwee's book may be very interesting, but the addition of individual salary information to the articles in question has nothing whatever to do with the Human Resources department at my workplace, nor "governmental control", nor Operation Yewtree, nor Lew Grade's ATV. It's a simple fact about the individual concerned. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC) p.s. we need not replicate this entire discussion at both of our Talk pages, thanks.

List of recurring Monty Python charactersEdit

You may not be able to give out the death penalty for links in headers, but you are definitely going to get the Comfy Chair from the Spanish Inquisition for missing The Colonel. SpinningSpark 11:02, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

D'oh! I'll just go and answer the five three questions, my leige! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:10, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Your removal of source from Tom BallardEdit

Hello. I just wanted to ask about Special:Diff/887290478 to Tom Ballard that removed the source I added. In your edit description, you put "except I don't see it anywhere in that source." However, that source clearly states "Tom Ballard was born in the Peak District of England in 1988." (It is about 2/3 the way down the article, but should be easy to find with a page search). Of course it is hard to scan sources quickly so I totally understand how you would have missed it. Would you mind putting it back or maybe adding a better source? (I realize there may be better sources but I figured this one was better than "citation needed"). I'm not going to put it back myself because I don't want to start an edit war and I just don't care enough about the topic; I was only trying to be helpful when I saw "citation needed." Desertborn (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Desertborn. Sorry. We seem to be editing at cross purposes. Yes, that year is perfectly visible in that source, and thanks for adding it. But I was seeking a source for 16 October. Do you have one? Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for your note here. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Ah, I see now. No, sadly I don't have one for the day. I'll look some more. Desertborn (talk) 19:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. In the meantime I have re-added your source so at least his year of birth is supported. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)


To sleep, perchance to dream — Neonorange (Phil) 00:21, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

String of HitsEdit

I'm a bit stuck here. This album, from what I recall, was absolutely huge at the end of the 70s and it seemed my parents and all their friends had a copy and loved to play it at dinner parties. Time, however, has not been kind to it and it has slipped into obscurity as a dated relic of its time, which means no sources cover it. For a number one album, that's pretty unusual. As Shaw Taylor was once fond of saying .... can you help? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:20, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Hardly a police matter, I feel. At least there are 7 different sources at that article! Even if one of them is the dreaded Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

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Did you see the last 4 minutes of Alan Partridge on Monday? Jeesus he was the head off of him. Went down "extremely" well over here, he had the whole thing down pat, it was very nuanced. Coogan could now run for president of Ireland. Ceoil (talk) 12:23, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ceoil: Not really my place to say, but I've received some off-wiki correspondence saying that Martin is taking an extended wikibreak and isn't sure when he'll be back. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:00, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Can you pass on my best wishes and fond regards to my auld sparring partner. Ceoil (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Certainly. I'm not sure when he'll be back, but hopefully he will be in due course. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:31, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Ceoil) your good wishes were and are much appreciated. That last four minutes is really quite disturbing and indeed also very funny. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:27, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Dude I know a paddy when I, loike, hear one :) Take care man. Ceoil (talk) 14:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
I can't imagine for a moment that you ever find the time to watch the wonderful Eurovision. But when did Azerbaijan get so good?? (well, I guess in 2011, when they won, of course). The production on this I think is just stunning. Must have cost quite a large proportion of the annual Azerbaijani GNP and came a very respectable 6th. The Aussies might have won for that amazing staging alone, but only managed 9th. No Johnny this year unfortunately, but we still had a relatively sober Graham William Walker. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
The Icelandic song this year is a thundering disgrace ;) is all I have to say on the matter. The whole thing should be shut down, or given over to a nice respectable presenter like, oh I don't know, Alan Partridge. (wonderful yes!) Ceoil (talk) 21:04, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
At least Hatred Will Prevail was a bit different. The spirit of rebellion and unconventionality lives on. Great to see Verka again of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm no prude, but to be honest I reached out and PUNCHED my television when confronted by the bare arse of that nice Icelandic man. The sorrow and the pity, god help us if there is a war. Ceoil (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Lol. The Reykjavík bondage thongs worked for me, dearie. But, more to the point.... some stax to die for! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:01, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
It was so much simpler and nice in my day, when the worst of the worst was unholy Americans trying to be Rod Steuart. Ceoil (talk) 22:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

ANI NoticeEdit

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.

The discussion may be found here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:39, 30 March 2019 (UTC)



Wood sorrel for daffodils, Martin and who cares. I updated my playlist (click on April) a bit (including Pärt's Cry), surprised how well "Lord, have mercy" and "the angels' charge" go with the unexpected death of a friend. He is pictured here, only the image - which I thought would be good for Easter - is threatened with deletion, because some artwork is hanging on the walls. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Lovely. Thank you Gerda! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:43, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
"Latest post" was never intended to be permanent; just drawing your attention to my meddling   Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Happy Easter! Life and death close, great music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for a sign of life!! - Yesterday, three (!) were reported as recent deaths, sigh. I did what I could for Georg Katzer and two others who turned out to have died in April already. What I could was not good enough, it seems. I wrote about his opera then, more pleasure there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the little bit of sorrel, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 12 May 2019 (UTC) "...sometimes I wish..."
Funny, the opera article is now the one place on the web which has the date of premiere right. The obituaries are wrong by two years because they took the planned date (or what?). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
We sang today and yesterday, both times in church (today the one named after you), both times with a bishop holding the service, yesterday one from Niger, in memory of the friend who died, today the one from Limburg. Both occasions pictured, - I'm getting faster ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

And this is why you don't use online translatorsEdit

In the news today: [42] Google Translate will get it right when a hyphen is included: [43] Unsurprisingly, people were reminded of the 2008 classic.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

It's enough to make one want to retire, isn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Spare £3.5M?Edit

Now here's [44] a nice Grade II* listed Monmouthshire house going begging. Well, perhaps not quite begging.... Hope you're keeping well. KJP1 (talk) 17:52, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I was hoping to secure a seasonal interest in the potting shed, for a bit less than a full nine yards. I'll probably spend the rest on a few biscuits for the tea house. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 12 May 2019 (UTC) p.s. thanks for your great improvements to that guy from Maindee.
It's a great pleasure - I'm very fond of Hando. Do you suppose Ghmyrtle has Rambles in Gwent? It's the only one I've not got and it's damned elusive. But then a nearly 100-year old paperback must be even more worn-out than you or I. KJP1 (talk) 22:05, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
KJP1 - Nope, sorry. I have four of his books but not that one. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, somewhat elusive. It looks like this apparently. But neither Abebooks nor Alibris UK have it. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Strong and stableEdit

I'm very clear on that. U? Softlavender (talk) 23:26, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

No U-turn here, thank you! Time to rearrange those front bench deckchairs, I feel. Blue rosettes anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:07, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
The music is so fine this time of night in these latitudes. Should the Captain go down as well? This has been a very vexed question of late. Softlavender (talk) 07:35, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Just for the record, I'm not sure poor Dave even had a properly inflated life-jacket when he hit that icy 2 a.m. water. Maybe everyone's Brexit Buffoon, our Noris, ought to resign now while the going's good? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Lordy, there are tapes! On the other hand, I don't think the Brexit bros are going anywhere, not while State propaganda is propping them up. Win/win! -- Softlavender (talk) 20:40, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Did someone mention Hope and Keen's Crazy old Brexit Bus?? Three years later and still strategically poised for that final leap of faith. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:59, 17 May 2019 (UTC) .... ah yes, the fresh air of true European Democracy at work

Jacques LacanEdit

I see he wrote for the Encyclopédie française. I suppose if anyone can, Jacques Lacan can. [45]Mango Mapes (talk) 19:11, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Bass player in a leather jumpsuit? Get it while you can. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Your talkpages make for interesting reading, I must say.
So many links to click on, so little time. Seems a particularly intriguing one has disappeared from the internet entirely(?) Hopefully this will do as a stopgap. —Mango Mapes (talk) 22:42, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh dear, yes. We don't talk about Billy any more, I'm afraid. Even though good Lord Dacre of Arnos has moved on. But I understand he has a shrine over at our noble sister organ. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:40, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Virtuous pagans and vicious circles...Mango Mapes (talk) 14:26, 19 May 2019 (UTC) [46]
Ah, Joni. I can never resist. Just so beautiful. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Her real surname was Anderson. She had polio as a child. Sca (talk) 12:42, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, a lot of women have to put up with fake surnames, don't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Sophomore jive from victims of typewriters. Do you remember that period in the 1980s when she started dressing like Jacko and pretending to be a Native American? Genius. —Mango Mapes (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, a bit "one-feather-short-of-a-War-bonnet" that period, I always thought. Never mind. I always preferred something a bit more anguine: [47]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 20 May 2019 (UTC) (and yes ... the track that follows that one on the album, "Edith and the Kingpin", is just a 3 minute 34 second poetic and musical masterpiece, in my very humble opinion; just incredible)

My Knickerbocker Glory tribute editEdit

"My milk shake brings all the yobs to the yard,
And they're like,
Our country is better than theirs,
Damn right its better than theirs,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge it to company expenses" - Kelis Yaxley-Lennon (no relation): [48]
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