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WELCOME!! Hello, Derek R Bullamore! I want to personally welcome you on behalf of the Wikipedia community. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you haven't already, you can put yourself in the new user log and the list of users so you can be properly introduced to everyone. Don't forget to be bold, and don't be afraid of hungry Wikipedians...there's a rule about not biting newcomers. Some other good links are the tutorial, how to edit a page, or if you're really stuck, see the help pages. Wikipedia is held up by Five Pillars...I recommend reading about them if you haven't already. Finally, it would be really helpful if you would sign your name on talk pages, so people can get back to you quickly. It's easy to do this by clicking the button (next to the one with the "W" crossed out) one from the end on the left. If that's confusing, or if you have any questions, feel free to drop me a at my talk page (by clicking the plus sign (+) next to the tab at the top that says "edit this page")...and again, welcome!--ViolinGirl 00:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

/* Reds or blues */ Mike ArmandoEdit

Hi Derek I would like to add guitarist Mike Armando to your Reds or Blues section. Please let me know if this is possible. Below is the information I would like to add to your list. ThanksCrossworddouble (talk) 19:19, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for the links. You are obviously relatively new to Wikipedia, which is fine, because we all start out from somewhere. What you might not be aware of is that Wikipedia has a set of editing guidelines relating to notability, which basically aims to ensure that articles on the encyclopedia are written about those who are deemed to be 'notable', rather than someone's next door neighbour, some part-time musician who plays down the pub, etc. Specifically, there is a section relating to 'musicians' which is outlined here. Perhaps you would care to take a look at that section, and try to ascertain whether Mike Armando would pass the 'notability' criteria. I have not spent any time looking at the various sources you have provided, but I do notice that he does not have an entry at AllMusic. In itself, that is not a deal clincher either way, but it is my usual starting off point when first exploring the likelihood of a musician passing Wikipedia's (please note that these are Wikipedia's, not my own) notability guidelines.
Secondly, I usually unearth my own possible entries for the 'Reds or Blues' list, rather than normally taking potential recommendations from others. In short, I do not encourage others to find me work to do - as I have plenty to keep me busy ! However, I do try to assist others in their endeavours, within reason, and time permitting. Please feel free to come back to me, once the notability situation is clearer in your mind. Thanks.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC) Thank you Derek for your quick reply.Crossworddouble (talk) 21:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC) Thank you.


...for completing references! (talk) 18:29, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Link rotEdit

Hi, there was some interference last week, so this week I am leaving you a few "presents" directly. Sorry, mate. (talk) 19:47, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi DB. This ip and the socks it has created have been asked repeatedly to place the bare url tag at the top of the article. I am not sure why they are unable to do this. Perhaps they will explain it to you. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 19:55, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
"Asked repeatedly" by no one but you. You are a new arrival to this issue. Derek is not. And I do not have any bloody socks. (talk) 19:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC) And I am not an "it". I'm a he. This is what I meant by interference. Sorry, man.
I have been editing for over 14 years and working on bare urls for over three so no I am not new to this. I have defended your tagging of articles at ANI. In spite of that you have been blocked before about this and I do not think that was the correct action. You might try reading the instructions here Wikipedia:Bare URLs#Helping to prevent future link rot. Once again please add the tag at the top of the article. MarnetteD|Talk 20:03, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I have tried to improve the referencing on those articles listed above. I would prefer that a {Bare Url} tag (or it's variant) is placed at the top of any offending article, so that everyone involved in trying to improve the bare URL situation gets a chance to have a go; rather than just poor old me. Anyhow, stop your bickering - we are all, in our small little ways, trying to make things better around here. Surely there's no point in falling out over that... Regards,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:29, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply and your work DRB. My apologies for intruding on your talk page with this. The situation just flummoxes me. Best regards and enjoy the rest of your weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 20:36, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh one question are you having problems with reflinks in the last few hours? It has worked intermittently for me since last night. MarnetteD|Talk 20:35, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
I seem to be having problems all the time with Reflinks2 ! It works when it feels like it and not when it doesn't. It's latest trick appears to be missing the accessdate, despite me asking to include it - which slows the work while I fill it in manually. My own computer is rather less than perfect at the moment - I think it is its age - or mine; which may be part of the problem. Never mind... ever onwards - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:49, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that DRB. I am getting a weird message that looks like this. It happened last night then this morning it worked fine but went back to this in the last hour. There isn't anything at the talk page for the tool but maybe the boffins are tinkering with it. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 20:58, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


I don't want to worry you, but - as well as the problems with our old friend http://www.thedeadrockstarsclub.com - it looks as though List of deaths in rock and roll (2010s) is no longer being updated regularly by friendly IPs. More work for someone to do - hopefully not either of us, but it's worth checking in on occasionally. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:02, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Just when I was about to put on my best worrying boots ! In my long experience most IPs bore fairly easily and move onto hardcore vandalism, or into more meatier editing. Hopefully the latter. I do visit the page occasionally, but generally to spruce up the referencing rather than any updating of the entries. I take your general point though. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Inserting incorrect, nonsense namesEdit

You added citation templates that include first=Nielsen Business Media |last=Inc. as an author. Please don't insert false or otherwise nonsensical information into citations. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 17:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh dear, what a shame. I do hundred of such edits per week, to try to keep the bare url situation down to manageable proportions. I try my best to check everyone, but there is a limit. The bot I use, Refill version 2, seems worse in many respects than the previous one - but I try, I do try. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:41, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Derek R Bullamore, You do lots of good work: this mistake is a drop in the ocean. Thanks for all your good work, Derek. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 00:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Maggie SinerEdit

Hello, could you please explain why the banner has been added, and which reference is insufficient of missing? every paragraph is referenced and none of it is tabloid journalism. ThanksMorningbastet (talk) 14:44, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Given that there are two dead references, which clearly do not support anything, and the sentence "She captures the dramatic play of light and shadow with bold lyricism", which needs a source, otherwise it looks like a personal opinion; nothing very much. I will not re-add the tag, but those issues could do with addressing. I have improved the bare reference that remained in the article - I must have missed that one - and put {Citation needed} next to the previously mentioned sentence. Thanks,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:32, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Look, you are editor No. 9 for Penderecki, - thank you, and see also --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Website paramEdit

Hi, regarding your recent change to Slavery in Mauritania, please review the suggestions for the website param at the cite web template. This generally is not simply the domain name (first part of the url), like, say, bbc.co.uk, but rather the name of the website, like, say, BBC News (or whatever they call themselves). That also means no reason to use sentence case for the value. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:55, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Celebstrendnow.com as a sourceEdit

Hi Derek R Bullamore. I noticed that you recently used celebstrendnow.com as a source for information in a biography article, LaShawn Daniels. I am unable to find any evidence or discussion indicating that celebstrendnow.com meets reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks.--Ronz (talk) 15:36, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Kildare LodgeEdit

Hi Derek, Thanks for the message. Kildare Lodge is Grade II* so definitely worth an article (see NHLE listing). It is red linked at Grade II* listed buildings in West Somerset with a photo. I have never visited this one, but if you wanted to start an article I would very willingly help.— Rod talk 07:22, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I may do so – it would make a change from my usual editing topics. But it will have to wait until October, when my cricket watching is over for another season. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
@Rodw: I have had a go at constructing a Wiki article for this fine property, and the draft is currently in my thingamabob (sandbox). This is my first attempt at creating an article for a building, so it is likely I have made a right pig's ear of it. Two things are most obvious to me. Firstly, the date of the property's construction seems to vary between 1903 and 1909, depending upon which source you believe. I assume that Historic England is the most reliable, but you may know differently. Also, the 'history' section is largely taken from the listed building's description, albeit spruced up a tad. I am no architect/builder/historian, so I was very easily led. Please feel free to knock my 'draft' around as you see fit. I can recommend giving The Kildare Lodge Inn a visit, if it is within your geographical reach. It is a long, long way, from where I reside, but it is an architecturally attractive pub, particularly inside - one of the best I can recall since visiting The Black Friar, some 20 years ago. Happy editing, as they say, when they can think of nothing else ! Regards,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:46, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
I've taken a quick look at your sandbox and I would say definitely not a "pig's ear". Personally I would move "present day" to after the first para of history and have a section called "architecture" for the current 2nd and 3rd paras of history. "Storeys" could be wikilinked to Storey as some readers will be unfamiliar with this term as with Eaves and Gable. I would agree with your use of the Historic England National Heritage List for England is the most authoritative source but it does sometimes have errors (I have persuaded them to fix a few). I have created a commons category for the pub at Category:Kildare Lodge Inn which could be linked from the article. Good work. I have never visited this one but will try to next time I am in the area.— Rod talk 07:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
@Rodw: I have re-edited the draft article, taking your kind suggestions into account, and added a few more wikilinks. I hope I have not 'overdone' the latter. However, having had no experience of Commons, I am not sure how to link to your recently created category. If you agree that the draft is now "good to go" on the 'mainframe', is it a viable candidate for DYK ? I ask rather cheekily, hoping that you might in due course, oblige in that respect. Back in the day I used to submit articles to DYK, but not since the criteria for submissions altered, requiring your assessment of another editor's work. I am not comfortable playing that game. Many thanks for your input thus far. Regards - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of adding the commons cat link. I have also given up on DYK noms - although I think this would qualify once in articlespace, as long as you can find an interesting hook.— Rod talk 11:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
@Rodw: This article is now in articlespace - tweaked somewhat from before, largely due to another kind editor's input. I also turned the red link to blue in Grade II* listed buildings in West Somerset. Thanks again - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:49, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks - great work.— Rod talk 17:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Many thanksEdit

Barnstars have gone out of fashion, but I do just want to thank you for your tireless efforts. For editors interested in popular music, your are bulwark, constantly improving the project whatever the occasional headwinds. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 00:36, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:07, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lotEdit

For completing Rebeca Nuez Suarez references... you are great helping people...--Miskito89 (talk) 15:08, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

You are welcome. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:08, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Per earlier discussions...Edit

...a Guardian obit, no less! I have given it a go. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Well done - you gave it a damn good go too ! I gave it a tickle, to keep my hand in. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:58, 26 September 2019 (UTC)


Dear Derek, thank you for your recent edits to Temptation. Can I please just be ridiculously nosy and ask what drove you to that particular article to sort it out? (I have a rather minor vested interest!) Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Disillusioned etc. The tune simply sprang up in my head yesterday. As tunes tend to do, from time to time - a nice legacy of my life-long love of music, I suppose. The down side is that, just occasionally, it could be "The Birdie Song" or something hideously similar, if I am particularly unlucky ! So, tune in my head, let's have a look at the Wiki article, and hey presto... Damn good song though, a pity Heaven 17 could not really produce anything else of that lofty merit. Does that answer your query ? Regards,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:37, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Brilliant, thanks! Yes it does answer my question, and I take your point entirely about the Shuffle-Button-In-The-Brain producing bad as well as good results. There are certain songs of which I never again wish to be reminded as they will hang around for days; indeed I fear that you may have just triggered an attack. Being a mostly-nice person, I will refrain from revenge and will not even mention Una Paloma Blanca nor indeed Eviva España, both of which should be illegal. Yes, Heaven 17 never made it as high in the charts as Temptation again although Come Live with Me, from the same album, did quite nicely too and still seems to get used sometimes, though less in the UK. I had fallen in love with The Height of the Fighting (He-La-Hu) years before I even knew about the band so I was very excited when I realized its source and then had to go back and listen to Penthouse and Pavement quite a lot. And although my minor vested interest was pretty much over by the time of How Men Are I quite liked the whole album, and I was very very taken with ...(And That's No Lie) and its several variants – I do think that is a terrific track. I also think I should probably stfu now, as I gather the young people charmingly put it, and stop filling your Talk page with waffle, so I will! Cheers DBaK (talk) 11:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered: Looking backwards, I momentarily thought that you might have mentioned Aztec Camera's "How Men Are" with its beautifully poignant lines of "Why should it take the tears of a woman, To see how men are?" Which leads my mind quickly to the upbeat, perfect pop, of "Somewhere in My Heart" and hence "Good Morning Britain". That Scottish pixie, Roddy Frame, could write a song or two. A longish time ago, I was in the frame to be the breakfast DJ for a radio station. I mischievously thought that the the latter song's title could be an inapt signature tune, given the then outdated political undertones of the lyrics, coupled with the total absurdity considering my hospital radio stations's extremely limited audience. It all came to naught, probably to all parties relief. However, I played "The King of Rock 'n' Roll" at too many of my subsequent evening shows, explaining to the station's controller that I had switched from cameras to sprouts. I do not know why he never quite understood me. Whenever he was in the studio complex (a very loose term) when I was on air, he popped on "No Rest", and I was instantly back in his good books. Its amazing what a 65-year-old can remember ! STFU, Derek - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Ha ha, wonderful, thank you for the update. You have given me quite a few tunes to look up, so thank you for that too. I must confess that I had not come across "How Men Are" as opposed to How Men Are in the H17 sense. I certainly enjoyed the latter so I think I owe it to myself to investigate the former also! Cheers DBaK (talk) 16:00, 14 November 2019 (UTC)


I'm curious about these edits. Were all the changes refill? The Thatachergate reference has two dates, and I'm not sure that capitalising the names of websites, when they are simply domain names is correct. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:39, 1 November 2019 (UTC).

Siege of DerryEdit

Dear Sir. On 16 September 2016 you added a "Refimprove" maintenance tag on the article Siege of Derry. It had 4 footnote citations at the time. It now has 75. I added some of them. May I ask you to please have a look at the article and the references and eventually remove the tag if you think it justified. Your intervention as a Grand Master editor would be very mush appreciated, I am still quite a novice, even if also an old married man. With many thanks. Johannes Schade (talk) 11:03, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I have removed the "Refimprove" tag at the top of the article. It is arguable that the section tag on the 'Commemorations' part is still justified, so I have left that in place. I must admit that I am not well versed in the general subject matter, although clearly much work has gone in since I previously visited the article over three years ago. I hope this helps. Well done and happy editing.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:17, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Dear Sir. Thank you very much! Johannes Schade (talk) 15:14, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Kildare Lodge - againEdit

By a very circuitous route, I chanced upon your sandbox on Kildare Lodge. The image looked intriguing so I toddled off to consult Pevsner and was richly rewarded with a lengthy entry on "the most interesting Arts and Crafts house in the region". It's the revised South and West Somerset, Orbach and Pevsner, 2014, p=457. If you don't have access, I'll happily email you the section if you're enabled. It gives a construction date of 1905-6. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 13:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for that. For some reason, probably my age to be fair, I had almost forgotten about the draft article. I presume this is the publication to which you refer. The building's construction date does seem to vary slightly between different sources, as I mentioned to another editor in the section above. Feel free to send me what you have either here, or via derekrbullamore@yahoo.co.uk, whichever is easier. I am way out of my comfort zone as far as creating articles for buildings is concerned, so every little bit helps. Thanks again - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:27, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Email should be on its way, with three attachments. The Pevsner is indeed the one you link to. And you're too modest - as Rod says, the sandbox entry's in great shape and warrants flipping into main space. There's nobody on here better able to advise on West Country listed buildings than Rod, but if I can assist at all, just shout. KJP1 (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
p.s. It's interesting that Pevsner sees more Voysey than Lutyens. I'd probably be inclined to go with them rather than Ms Cleave. HE mentions neither. KJP1 (talk) 14:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay. I have tweaked the draft article and included the book you e-mailed to me as a source. Thanks for your invaluable assistance. Do you feel the draft is good to go now ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:47, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
I think it's very good to go! One less red link in Rod's lists. KJP1 (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
It is now in articlespace @ The Kildare Lodge Inn. Thanks again. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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Links rougesEdit

There's a couple of redlinks at Jacques and Marcelle Morgantini that you might find worth investigating.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:49, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Zut alors! et sacrebleu. Merci for that. I have added those names to my, extremely short, 'reds or blues' list. I am sure I investigated Big Mojo Elem once before, but it is worth another look, not least of which because I have totally forgotten what I found previously. Or is it 'what I previously found'. Anyhow, I have been larking around with all my Larkins, and have rather forsaken (forsaked, forsook or even forsooked - I prefer the latter; at least momentarily) the noble blues form. I see you are bored out of your pants beavering away here, when you could be putting up your mistletoe. For my part, in the past week, I have been pickling eggs, and aiding and abetting in the art of creating pastry free quiches (from the French of the same flan). Flushed with success, I was going to have a go at sun drying tomatoes, but they tell me it is not the season. See how the other half lives. Cheers,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:44, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
PS. Robert "Big Mojo" Elem was created by some fool or another in November 2017. Told you I'd heard of him - ahem. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:08, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


  Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well DRB. MarnetteD|Talk 23:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

As a lifelong atheist, frankly Christmas holds no great magic for me. However, your kind message is understood and much appreciated. In the UK, a snowball is more traditional, although it seems to have plummeted out of favour in recent times. Give me a Sneck Lifter, Fursty Ferret, or Fuller's 1845 (almost heaven in a bottle) anytime. Although, if the wind is blowing in the right direction, I might be tempted to try Sex on the Beach - but my good lady reckons I am too old ! Anyhow my friend, may it be, what you what it to be. Season's greetings - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:15, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
You are the second person to mention the snowball so I will be purchasing the ingredients soon. Thanks for the other recommendations as well and I look forward to trying them as well. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 00:19, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


Season's Greetings, Derek R Bullamore!
As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. And for all the help you've thrown my way over the years. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 19:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Your kind words are much appreciated. Best wishes of the season to you too. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Internet SocietyEdit

Season's greetings. I wonder if you would be so kind as to cast your eye on this situation. I myself have COI, nevertheless got drawn into an edit war. It needs other people. The essential question is, is this better than the current (protected) version. Wwwhatsup (talk) 20:42, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Whilst I can accept that the more editors get involved a well balanced situation/discussion should arise, the fact is that the subject matter does not really interest me in any manner. Sorry, but you need to ask elsewhere. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:38, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


Hi! I noticed that you're a well-established user who has edited this article, so I'm asking for your advice. There is some warring going on over either the inclusion of or the addition of qualifying information to the "fact" that Lord Perry Harber is Lord of the Manor of Glascwm. This title (a) is fake, (b) was purchased and (c) the purchaser has been made bankrupt twice, possibly three times. Whenever additional information is edited in or the "The Lord the Manor is...." Is deleted, an anonymous user, most likely Perry Harber himself I imagine, reverts it. Furthermor, the line "The Lord of the Manor is...." was originally inserted by an anonymous user. This article is very low priority, but can it be edit protected nevertheless? Or do you have any other recommendation? Please ping me if/when responding. Thanks! Boscaswell talk 10:49, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

@Boscaswell: Hells bells, I have just noticed that I completely missed your message. I blame it on the mince pies. Many apologies. I notice that Glascwm has not attracted any edits since my own on Christmas Day, so it may be better to let sleeping dogs lie. If the nonsense reappears, then there is no reason why you can not ask an admin to apply short term edit protection status. In my long experience here, most vandals or 'single issue pushers', get bored fairly quickly and move on to other things. Sorry for the delay.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
@Derek R Bullamore: thanks for your message, Derek. I hadn’t checked the article since my post here, but it seems that lots of people had a go on Christmas Day! First up the addition I made was deleted again, but then another editor stepped in, deleted any mention of the Lord of the Manor and furthermore in the edit summary made it very clear as to why it should go. Since your edit on that day, as you say, nothing more has happened. So...all’s well that ends well! Thanks again. Boscaswell talk 23:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of The BrandLaureate Awards for deletionEdit


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Hammy HowellEdit

Hi Derek,

Thank you for your edits to that article, they are very much appreciated. Regarding the template you added, I have moved the refs to inline. Those sources are the ones I used to write the article so far. Are you aware of anything currently in the article that's missing a source?

Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 14:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hiya. You are welcome. I have removed the clean-up tag as all is now fully referenced. Well done. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Cool! Thanks again! Crum375 (talk) 15:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Jazz taggingEdit

A lot of the jazz article that you're tagging with Refimprove were written using the sources that are specified in the articles, but the inline citations are very infrequent. I've improved a lot of these simply by opening the online sources (mostly AllMusic), adding inline citations and deleting what's not sourced. The result is an article that looks well-sourced to any reader and therefore serves as a model for anyone who wants to add material (i.e., it encourages the inclusion of a source and citation). I encourage you to do this instead of tagging (it's very discouraging for me and others who are working on fixing articles that have been tagged in such a way for a decade or more – tagging doesn't have a quick effect! – to see yet more articles tagged in the same way when the taggers could have fixed the problems themselves). EddieHugh (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Of course: time, cash, patience, etc.... Another advantage of following the sources that are available: you tagged Eddie Cano; a very quick glance indicates one unsourced paragraph. At AllMusic, it's very quickly apparent that that paragraph is a copyright violation of the source. EddieHugh (talk) 18:52, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I have edited Wikipedia for over 14 years, so I am well aware of the editing guidelines etc. There is no compulsion on me, or any other editor to do as you state. It is possible that the so-called external links may well support some of the text. Without spending time and effort investigating that avenue, it still does not alter the fact that standard formulated referencing in those articles that I have tagged is inadequate. Tagging an article is intended to alert all editors to this inadequacy. It is certainly not meant to discourage a small dedicated band from improving the situation. To blow my own trumpet, I spend most of my time on Wikipedia working on the referencing of articles (creating/expanding/formatting/filling in bare urls), but I am obviously unable to positively affect all six million. Sometimes, where I neither have the time nor interest, I take the next best option.
As WP:Tagging states "Placing tags is, in itself, not a means of improving the encyclopedia: It is only a means of asking other people to improve an article that you cannot or will not improve yourself". From your response, it appears that I, at least in part, succeeded.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
There's no compulsion, of course; I was asking. And I was asking because I believe that, in the medium to long term, such tagging in bulk does deter others. Separately, thank you for improving the referencing in the way that you describe; I have noticed it many times. EddieHugh (talk) 17:40, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm getting worried...Edit

...about the effect I have on people. First I start an article, and then 20 days later they're dead. Or I massively expand one, and a few weeks later the same thing happens. Is it something I said? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:05, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I know what you mean. I put together Eddie Tigner's article in March 2019 and he was dead six weeks later. There again, given we primarily deal on Wiki with old timers (being a pair of them ourselves), it is not a great surprise. Not so much the Glimmer Twins, we are the "Finish 'Em Off Duo" ! Tee hee. – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Hopefully it's not the shock of realising that they've achieved lasting fame that finishes them off.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:40, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Clyde Davenport fiddle playerEdit

Thank you for responding about Clydes passing. I am his son in law. My hope some day that his home town will contribute a monument in honor of him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:64C1:6500:71D1:B8D3:27C0:6E02 (talk) 06:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

You are welcome. You should be extremely proud about your father-in-law's achievements - I also hope that some lasting tribute is created in due course. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:49, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Dan Nelson's 15 minutes of Anthrax - an update.Edit

Hello Derek, I thought you should know about a recent problem that my 73 year old uncle and his 74 year old friend had after a gig at the Aloft Hotel in Queens NY with Dan Nelson when they found themselves trapped in an elevator with him. https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-anthrax-singer-dan-nelson-pleads-guilty-to-attacking-two-older-men/ """"" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah... thanks - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:38, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Terry Dietz PageEdit

Hello Derek,

Please excuse any ignorance on my part for any mistakes I've made or will make in this writing. I was going to fix it myself, but I realized I'm probably not up to speed in my understanding of how to do that properly yet. Upon clicking the REF 1 link on Terry Dietz's page, a porn site popped up. When I checked the history, I saw your name for who wrote the REF link entry, and at first I thought you had put it there. Upon further inspection into you, I realized this probably isn't true, but in the meantime, I also came to discover that REF 3 is also the same link. I haven't looked any further into this page. I did take the REF out, but undid the deletion because I figured it was easier for you to correct just the link than the entire entry. I hope I did the right thing. Eeclwa (talk) 21:25, 28 February 2020 (UTC)----Laura "eeclwa" Clay----Eeclwa (talk) 21:25, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the first reference, which as you noticed now redirects to a porn site. Unfortunately these things can happen over a period of time - it is over four years since I last worked on Terry Dietz's article. Even then, I merely expanded that reference, which presumably was "active" back then. As far as I can see REF 3 (which is now REF 2) is OK. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Happy editing - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:20, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


Hi Derek, I know it was a long while back, but your use of reFill made a bit of a mess here. It gave authorship credit for all articles hosted at the Library of Mu to the librarian :( You also introduced an article title of "HugeDomains.com - TransitKings.com is for sale ". I trust you check the diffs after using the tool? --kingboyk (talk) 21:41, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

I've spent much of the day rectifying the Jimmy Cauty article, and now I find you wiped out data here too, removing all the titles, dates and publications of the citations and leaving bare URLs behind. --kingboyk (talk) 06:07, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
It is useless for me to try to quantify or justify my edit from almost five years ago, or even two years back in the first instance. I do try to make sure my reference work is sound, but I am not infallible. All I can say is sorry - if that helps. Given I live in Yorkshire and It's Grim Up North, what can you expect - a weak joke I know. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:26, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


As a result of a recent RfC, there have been some updates to the parameter descriptions for music infoboxes:

  • As a space saving measure, place and origin entries for "United States" and "United Kingdom" should be abbreviated to "U.S." and "UK". Generally, when both countries appear, "US" (without periods) is preferred, so they appear consistent. Also, for well-known cities, the state/political subdivisions are unnecessary; for New York City, London, Chicago, Tokyo, and the like, even the country is not needed when the context makes it clear. Since these are well-known, linking them is considered WP:OVERLINKING (a link to a smaller place is OK, but the state is unneeded).
  • For Template:Infobox musical artist |origin= and |death_place=, the guidance includes "Omit the country if it does not differ from that specified at the field 'birth_place'".
  • For longer entries, the use of {{Flatlist}} or {{hlist}} is preferred to commas to meet WP:ACCESS concerns.

If you have any questions, please review the documentation for the templates or ask. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Q (magazine)Edit

Please can you take a look at this article, as a user called Eldumpo has recently removed information as "uncited" which you have recent added Larkin sources for. Thanks. Rodericksilly (talk) 11:42, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I have re-added a paragraph that was cited by Larkin. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:48, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Advice on a new pageEdit

Hi. I've put together a new draft page for Peter McIan (a music producer who worked with a number of Australian bands in the 80's, including the two big Men At Work's albums that helped open up the Australian market). Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Peter_McIan

It has been rejected twice for not passing the notability threshold. I notice that you edited the page for his former band (The City). If you have the time, I would appreciate any advice you might have on how to improve the page.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by VladNDB (talkcontribs) 18:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying, but I have been rather busy elsewhere. I think the best advice I could give is to contact (again, if necessary) the editor (via User talk:Sulfurboy) who made that decision. Is it possible you have enhanced the draft article after that decision was made ? Whilst I have been a Wikipedia editor for many years, I have never had any experience of the protocols etc. surrounding Wikipedia:Articles for creation, and do not feel comfortable trying to comprehend someone else's decision making. Regards - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Derek R Bullamore, thanks for the tip! I appreciate it. Best, VladNDB VladNDB —Preceding undated comment added 20:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Cleanup RequestEdit

The two cleanup tools for Clerk of the United States House of Representatives fail with an error message. If you fixed, and I know you wil, tell me how, so I can do it myself. I do many myself, among other things, but if it fails, I usually just tag it and go on to other tasks.

I have done thousands of talk page fixes, maybe more than ten thousand, with the Rater tool, and by hand, including all of England, all of London, and all of some other places, and now I am working on Scotland, Scottish Isles, and occasionally on Medieval Scotland.

I visited Jersey a few years ago, and I hope to return, health and finances allowing. (I expect to avoid Corona virus by staying home.) How are you? I can see activity on Wikipedia, but there are other things beside Wikipedia.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 01:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

"There are other things beside Wikipedia" – bugger, why didn't someone tell me ! Joking apart, I am fine, thank you, and trying to carry on as usual, but obviously curtailing trips away from our home etc. At the age of 65, I fall just short of the Boris directive concerning the over 70 years olds. Frankly, I am more mortified that the effects of the virus are likely to delay the start of our domestic cricket season - perhaps even rule it out in 2020.
I undertook a manual only edit on Clerk of the United States House of Representatives; which seems fine. I am not entirely sure whether the "dead link" is precisely that or an effect of the U.S partial paranoia over European access to their website information. It is something that crosses my mind from time to time when undertaking edits, but there is only so much one can investigate. I had never thought of fixing talk pages - a new one on me. Yes, the Channel Islands are lovely, and so is the Isle of Wight which is roughly in the same area. Keep safe and best wishes. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I went to the IOW from Gosport many years ago, and visited Ventnor, namesake for my home town as a boy, Ventnor City.

"Do not add access dates"Edit

Writing to User talk:MarnetteD and User talk:Derek R Bullamore

I would like to have the checkmark removed from the Refill tool "Do not add access dates" option. I uncheck it every time. When would we not want the date added to the citation?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 01:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

This has always seemed a strange option to have. Having said that, and I have mentioned this before, for some reason I can not fathom whether I click or unclick that box, the bot will not generate any access dates for my edits ! Having been without this bot for some while, although it is now back up and running, the old Reflinks has seemingly crashed today. What a life. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Bill MartinEdit

Bill was one of my closest friends. He died this morning. I tried to update his page but it's been blocked.

Best cheeky21 (2603) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheeky21 (talkcontribs) 19:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I am genuinely sorry to hear the news, and you have my condolences. HOWEVER, it is a basic editing qualification on Wikipedia that all such entries must be supported by a reliable source. I would imagine the "media" will report the sad event fairly quickly; and at the time the information can be included. (I have already posted on your talk page). - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Confusion between individual & collective: Sly, Robbie, Sly and RobbieEdit

Hello Derek, hope you are well. I have added a comment on the talk page of Sly Dunbar. Is it ok with you? Brunswicknic (talk) 07:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hiya Nic. I am well, thus far, thank you. It is more than OK with me. Such cases were there are three (or more) interconnecting articles often suffer from "cross pollination". Go for it - Be Bold, as it were.
Regards. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

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