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Pyramid of SahureEdit

Hi Ceoil, it's been a (short) while. I've linked my latest project above, and was wondering if you'd ]]take a look at it. I've tried something new by writing out a draft article in my userspace, and then transferring it to mainspace. I've done some copy-editing (I think it'll need about three more comprehensive waves), but I'm not sure if the new approach (work in userspace, then transfer to mainspace) has improved or deproved* the quality of my writing. I do know that it's expedited my workflow (significantly) cause I can chuck in half-formed bits and just tag a note to it with some ideas/instructions, something I can't do in mainspace (for obvious reasons). If you're interested, I was wondering if you'd give it a read (or just skim) and give me some feedback on the writing. I've taken mild(?) liberties to inject more engaging language – I always feel as if I'm not quite doing the subject matter justice, but then if I add more enticing prose then that its not entirely encyclopedic. A fact that might interest you: Sahure's is the most elaborately decorated pyramid complex devised in the Old Kingdom. Sadly, of it's (estimated) original 10,000 m2 (110,000 sq ft) of relief decoration, a mere 150 m2 (1,600 sq ft) (less than 2%) has been preserved.

*coining a new word that is antonymous to improve.

Thanks for your time and all the help you've given, Mr rnddude (talk) 06:30, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Mr mcmuddle, would be happy to help, these articles are endlessly fascinating, but may be a few days. Best Ceoil (talk) 23:02, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

May interest youEdit

Hi Ceoil, you participated in the FAC of Thomas F. Mulledy a while back. Therefore, you might be interested to know that I've nominated a similar article, Charles H. Stonestreet for FAC. If you're at all interested, I'd appreciate any comments you have. Ergo Sum 13:54, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Shake it like a Harlem queenEdit

[1] User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 22:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, last night was the first time I actually heard Gillian Welch! A deep well. Something in return Skip to 00:47 to avoid the silly intro, but at last MBV merged with credible Goth. 22:24, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Also, which is more in the mood of GW - [2] Ceoil (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

John Henry (folklore) User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 23:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes..thanks, that allows many connections! Ceoil (talk) 00:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Hilda Rix NicholasEdit

Hello Ceoil. About five years ago, I took Hilda Rix Nicholas through FAC. It is currently under peer review for the Wikijournal of Humanities, which has prompted me to make a host of revisions. I'm hoping I can find one or two experienced editors with a record at FAC who might be willing to go through the current version and comment / copyedit. Have you any time to take a look? hamiltonstone (talk) 12:47, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

yes, it’s been on my watchlist since. Ceoil (talk) 13:25, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
thank you. very happy for you to leave comments or suggestions on the article talk page, for me to resolve. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:13, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
thanks for making some edits to Hilda. Will you be going back to it, or was that all you picked up? Grateful for your help. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:24, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi Hamiltonstone, yes and hoping to read again this weekend. Ceoil (talk) 20:19, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Lovely, thank you! hamiltonstone (talk) 22:20, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
As also a VA editor, I trawled the en.wikiversity review linked above by experts with interest, to get the jist of how closely WP articles align with say uni submissions etc. Re the current state of the article, from on and off scanning of the changes requested, and their implementation, I see nothing that undermines its status as FAC. As an interested editor who is attracted to the paintings and life, I will still make the opp to reread and engage. Ceoil (talk) 22:55, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
The "For combination of grace" quote could be trimmed, otherwise, excellent. Have made some further edits you are free, in the spirit of collegiality, to challenge or revert. Ceoil (talk) 03:05, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much for looking at it. I had no idea of the ridiculous extent to which I overuse the word "also"! The text is much improved for your assistance. I will take a look at that quote. hamiltonstone (talk)
I suspect the longer the quote the less likely it will be read :) Thanks for catching the typos. It remains one of out best bios. Ceoil (talk) 11:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ginger BakerEdit

 On 6 October 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ginger Baker, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:08, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks MSGJ. Ceoil (talk) 21:10, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for that one, too, and for Portrait of a Man with a Blue Chaperon, - I saw today's POD, and knew immediately that you wrote the article ;) - I have a first: working on an article in the blurb of ITN, took a day but - looking at the stats - was needed, Peter Handke was in poor shape, one line of a lead, many references but only for details of controversy, practically no work mentioned ... - Much more could still be done, but I'll return to my opera singers. Watch Clara Schumann for a PR eventually. Music - your name, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Nice work on those Gerda. One you think the infobox image for man in blue is too large? Not sure how to resize (hint hint :)). Ceoil (talk) 16:07, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Man with a Blue Chaperon
{{Infobox Artwork
| image_file=Man with a Blue Cap - Jan van Eyck - Google Cultural Institute.jpg
| title=Blue Chaperon
| image_upright = 0.5
I think the size is perfect, matching the length of the title. If you want something different for another article, the parameter is normally image_upright, and if that doesn't work look up the template docu, Template:Infobox artwork. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
... and use factors, normally between 0.7 and 1.3, but to show more detail even higher, - no idea though how that will show on mobiles. --
I can barely turn on the telly anymore. Too old to learn Gerda Ceoil (talk) 21:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Trying to learn: no upright is specified for the Blue Chaperon man, - seems to align with the title length if not otherwise specified. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

ps: compatriots of yous, if you know early 70s Krautrock [3]. That Liz knew this stuff back in ther day was major....If I was to describe the music that means most, and that I go back opver again and again, about half of it is German. Ceoil (talk) 21:32, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

high energy, impressive! - Did you see the videos - completely different, Italian, also high voltage - I left with Martin? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes I did, and spent a few hours following the style which lead me to some lovely tunes, eg [4]. Martin's talk is a rewarding place. Ceoil (talk) 21:52, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
You know folks, here at the Wikizoo, I sometimes think we are all just "Hunters and Collectors": [5] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
I dont know how much you know Martin about 70s film, ie good 70s film, but bummed Robert Forster died yesterday. Man was stone cold cool. Also re CAN [6]. Bass monstrosity`- look at how it twists and turns from 00:51 onwards. Ceoil (talk) 22:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I had seen that about Robert Forster. I only half recognised him and so was disinclined to make any moves at ITN/RD. Have been a huge fan of Holger Czukay, of course, since this ground-breaker all those years ago. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
For me, only Steve Hanley of the Fall comes close to Czukay, both are very physical and muscular bassists, and almost supernaturally in tune with their drummers. The second half of the studio versionof "Father Cannot Yell" is as good as music gets. Ceoil (talk) 22:26, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
... just illustrating the pic size thingy (and no, no alignment with the title unless you make it, the big size seems to be default). i plan to write Ave Maria (Biebl) today - easy to find on YT - and also expand Magnificat (Vivaldi) for a friend (in the U.S.) and conductor. Her birthday is 14 October. I had to leave for Germany when the choir began rehearsing. Decades later, we are still close. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Portrait of a Man with a Blue ChaperonEdit

Portrait of Giovanni Arnolfini, wearing a titfer, by Jan van Eyck

Hi, I read this article after seeing it linked on the main page, and I really enjoyed reading it! I noticed in the article history that you created it, and made other edits to improve it as well. I appreciate everyone's contributions to the article of course, but I thought I'd put a note of thanks here in particular. I'm a reader and editor of Wikipedia, so I thought it would be a good idea to thank others for articles that I was impressed by and learned something from by showing some wikilove. Clovermoss (talk) 15:44, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, glad you enjoyed the page. Ceoil (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 13Edit

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Tiresome, readers dont know or care, and bot leaves a lot of article talk page debris that stifles new conversation. Your efforts should be revisited. My openion? Boo. Ceoil (talk) 12:13, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Your own sectionEdit

Just a suggestion: until now your comments have kinda been responding to Nick. That last one, however, moved over into actually commenting about article content. I suggest that you make a new section "Comments by ceoil" or "Oppose by Ceoil", and move that last observation below it. You also might want to strike through the bit where you did you wouldn't be commenting. Cheers. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 12:49, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I take Nick seriously, thought he was going down an ill advised path, so addressed him directly. Re opinions, yes I have a bunch, but if its ok will edit them out, rather than be a pain on the fAC. I remember that I almost got blocked for voicing on the article earlier, so a bit coy. 12:54, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Do as you wish. I don't think anyone is going to be blocked for remarks on that page, the. Cheers. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah I'm prob being paranoid. Ceoil (talk) 13:03, 13 October 2019 (UTC)


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 ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 03:20, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Replied. Dup ref sorted. 07:00, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Boxwood - wowEdit

This is absolutely gorgeous! Cheers DBaK (talk) 20:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Yup, kudos to Jonathan Cardy, who took the pic.[7] Ceoil (talk) 21:56, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Well, thumbs-up all round, then. I love that article almost unreasonably much. I strongly suspect that it is the most significant piece of learning that Wikipedia has ever brought me to! Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:24, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Wiki has its ups and downs (eg whats happening to Richie is a real bummer), but always hope the ups are higher than the downs are low. Jonathan's addition was an up. Over the years your hard bitten, but content orientated perspective has also been so. So thanks, this is meaningful to me. ps DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered, you have my second favorite wiki user name...after mr o'muddle (thats how it reads to these auld Irish eyes). Ceoil (talk) 13:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I think you guys must be totally nuts! ...(not really.) Martinevans123 (talk) 13:49, 18 October 2019 (UTC) ah yes, Mr. O'Rude Dude is always very popular, isn't he, especially when Irish eyes are squinting.
Ceoil thank you: I am terribly moved, on both counts. Cheers DBaK (talk) 14:44, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
It takes a DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered soul to know another. Ceoil (talk) 14:51, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Not to mention Sally O'Brien and the way she might look at you[8] Ceoil (talk) 14:03, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I think I'm all messed up on the indents and smalls here (please compose your own "smalls" joke) but I just wanted to say (a) they lost me when they started on about the rain and (b) why doesn't someone just buy the poor s*d a beer? But yes (c) Sally O'Brien, yes, my word. She did. DBaK (talk) 14:44, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Goodness, she still has a place in all Irish hearts. One of the best things about YouTube is ability to nostalgically run back over 70/80/90s ads and tv intro tunes. Ceoil (talk) 15:00, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


Richie? Richie who? Where? I'm promise I won't go into full Dark Ling mode on anyone after I read... ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 13:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

reminding that you did promise there would be no nukes. Martin, I never really bothered with Captain beefehart until last weekend, starting with [9]. First thoughts re Mind blown. Do you have more pls, as I gather there is a lot of dross. Ceoil (talk) 13:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I always feel poorly equipped when you folks talk music. I'm just Led Zeppelin, Yes, Led Zeppelin, Yes, maybe some classical, maybe some approachable jazz, maybe some Van Morrison, lather rinse repeat. I just recently started sorta liking Radiohead, Dream Theater and Tool. I am the uncool kid. I really need to listen to that Kraut Rock thing that Ceoil loves. But I might not like it. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 14:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Ling, this monster is in my top 10 tunes, at least - ask me on a different day and its top Gerda correctly high energy when it comes to bands. I heard it in 1989 when driving from Munich to Hanover with my cool uncle, the same day I discovered Neil Young's "On the Beach" and Kraftwerk's "Autobahn". That said, music nerds going to be music nerds, and its not an elist club - nerds off all types descent on wiki. Ceoil (talk) 14:24, 18 October 2019 (UTC) Re Van - this[10], and TB Sheets[11]. 14:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Yay!! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I sent you this a few years back,. But I need no excuse to send it to you again. I saw him only once, at The Venue in London, in about 1981. Also check out ""Upon the My-O-My" from just before that era. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Tks. It usually takes five or six repeat listens before I get any of his tracks, so hold on. Ceoil (talk) 14:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Booglarize is deep, deep funk, thats some wobbly bass line. Nice that the vocals are also catchy. Martin, you adopt a numerous, feckless persona on wiki, but applause and respect for knowledge and taste. 1981, I am impressed. Ceoil (talk) 14:45, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Excuse me, but which Kraut Rock thing that Ceoil loves? I have a personal bee in bonnet here but am worried to mention it (him) in case I get beaten up by the (bigger, cooler) kids and my bus fare taken before I can waste it on Treets. Do enlighten me ... please? ... DBaK (talk) 14:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Without wanting to sound like a prick, I like Can and Neu!, but not either version of Amon Düül nor Faust, definition of Krautrock is a them and us matter. To go further, when Liz first visited Ireland, she had a first edition mint copy of Krautrocksampler, and we spent a week traveling Cork and Kerry guided by The Modern Antiquarian, so we are pure..I think the point mybe that Martin and myself are deeply invested, and may violently, verbosely, and boringly to all others disagree over the merit of Tago Mago vs Ege Bamyasi to the point of AN/I, while others wonder WTF. I say this as one of the structural reasons why wiki can be at times more down than up; people come here to write about their passions. Ceoil (talk) 16:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes indeed. Such albums as of dreams are made! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I remember trying to wash all that keyboard wizard stuff away. No offence, martin, but I hate that hippie shit. Ceoil (talk) 18:12, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Have to admit I still have that Virgin vinyl and that I saw them several times when I was going through my Roger Dean phase. But then, I always blame that guy from Stowmarket. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Have a listen to this[12]. Ceoil (talk) 18:26, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Ooh, very poppy for you! Sounds a bit like "Keane on speed" to me. But quite listenable. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
It meant a lot to a friend of mine who died. I much prefer this similar but superior classic[13]. At the time I became absorbed, the band were described as "much discussed but rarely listened to". Wow: a quote for the ages. ps still on "I'm Gonna Booglarize You", its freaking freaking. Ceoil (talk) 18:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Yep. Sure is a grower. Groovy Baby!!. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
"The town hall CD its a grower". But what is Wiki without you innit? Ceoil (talk) 20:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes ok, I admit it, I am indeed half biscuit. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
a dead rad cover for ya. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:05, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
also.... thought you might like this. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:11, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Akane YamaguchiEdit

Hello. This article is too long, need to omit some unnecessary paragraphs, help summarize this article (copy edit and add source). Thanks you. (talk) 02:12, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it later, to see if it needs any help. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 02:55, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

New Adoration of the Magi (Gothic boxwood altarpiece)Edit

In case it's not hit your watchlist - Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 04:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes indeed. May ask Theramin if they want to go for a triple at dyk. Ceoil (talk) 23:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Rien à faire à Marly-GomontEdit

[14] User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 21:04, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

See, was COOL after all to grow up on a farm! Oh thanks, haven't heard in years. Another fr/agriculture related blast from the past[15]. x Ceoil (talk) 21:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC) ps, if we were to walk to the museum of fine arts in Boston[16] Ceoil (talk) 22:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Cut the Crap scheduled for TFAEdit

This is to let you know that Cut the Crap has been scheduled as WP:TFA for 21 November 2019. Please check that the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 21, 2019. Thanks! Ealdgyth - Talk 15:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you and all who participated for the "career disastrous album by the second most important of the late 1970s foundational English punk bands. There is a good, but very unfortunate story here. The level of inter-band and band vs management warfare during its recording would make Joffrey Baratheon blush, and alas lead to their eventual demise, with many careers and reputations destroyed along the way. Although the album was at the time uniformly critically maligned (to put it mildly), it contains, according to more recent critics, and myself, at least three seminal tracks - "This Is England", "Dirty Punk", and "We are the Clash"."! - What a great line to quote in overly verbose discussions ;) - I have no more time today, or would thank at least those whom you listed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. Ceoil (talk) 04:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

WP:Today's featured article/November 21, 2019Edit

Very nice work on it, it's much improved, but the count is up to 1092 characters now ... needs to be 1025 at most. - Dank (push to talk) 22:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Dan, and a pleasure as always to work with you. Will have a go a shortening. Ceoil (tal. k) 22:11, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Likewise. - Dank (push to talk) 01:23, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Shortened now. Ceoil (talk) 02:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Met pictureEdit

I just met File:Weyden Christ on the Cross with Mary and St John.jpg, stunning. How about an article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:34, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Its now on my list, tks. Ceoil (talk) 03:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! I have a FAC open, not really finished, but as you only edit on weekends ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Impressive. I might tidy up some wording (which you are free to revert) before I get to a content review. ps, listening on utube. Ceoil (talk) 21:47, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, seen and reverted ;) - Just that first page is so exciting. I need to add a bit to accomodate the image from my user page, - we sang it last year ;)
Could you perhaps an alt text for the lead image?
The alt for the lead image seems fine, though you might later mention its providence and current location - I saw a bunch by him at the Morgan Library & Museum a few years ago, which was spine chilling. Ceoil (talk) 22:08, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, location! - Image review said alt text and caprion should not be the same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
pfff. The danger with alt text is venturing into OR, I find that with painting articles especially when forced to describe minor works. Ceoil (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I kept reverting ;) - but will be out most of the day, - don't be surprised when that stops, - will look later. It's so helpful seee how ambiguous some things are. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Revert at will; its hard putting up articles at FAC, but the tune is really, really flooring, and i'm on your side, given my evident fondness for the masses since I first crawled out of a pram. Ceoil (talk) 09:52, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm considering asking if the infobox is really necessary - haha; kidding. In honestly, after a prose review, I think you might be almost there. Nice work Gerda, and as always thanks for bringing new music to me. You have made a grumpy, old, Irishman happy. Ceoil (talk) 14:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Never ever is an infobox necessary! It is a help for those who have trouble with their eyes, look for a specific detail they need to know fast, want to translate to a language that doesn't have any information yet, you name it. I am between listening to Totentanz (Danse Macabre) here and Requiem for the Living there. There, we'll sing Vivaldi's Magnificat in 2 weeks. I took the image from "there" to the article, but would you perhaps find an Italian painting from Vivaldi's time of the Visitation? When you are done with the rejoicing, you might want to turn to Real Monasterio de Santo Tomás, where there's much more in Spanish, but without sources. Johnbod kindly helped already. - I should probably store your above comments under blushing, thank you, - made my day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Der Ring in Minden ... finally appeared today and made my day, - my opera experience of the year. Part of the hook, "... to listen to the music at the end", would be a good motto ;) - No rush for the Bach cantata FAC, will be 2020 or later, and I need to write 2 for this season. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
You and me are totally on the same page re aggo arou infoboxes. For my part, use them sometimes if appropriate, Oherwise, dunot know, dont care. There are so many other things to care about, like your FAC, which is a ray of sunshine on the otherwise miserable (November) southern Cork. Ceoil (talk) 14:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

In your nightmaresEdit

[17] User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 01:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I do get the whole 60s nightmare catholic psych cartoon kitch, (we had bosco and his fucking magic door); so have only two words to say to you re happy places... Billy ze Kick Ceoil (talk) 01:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
I am wondering why there was no “eating a sailor, or killing people, who then go to heaven” as referenced in our article on the subject. User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 01:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Mangez moi, mangez moi, eh? Me oh my. User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 01:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we need a bigger boatCeoil (talk) 01:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

But it’s so hard to dance that wayEdit

When it’s cold and there’s no music. User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 04:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

There is [18], which reminds me of you, in a very romantic way. Ceoil (talk) 09:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Uncivil behaviorEdit

Concerning your unhelpful and uncivil comment at ANI, can I politely recommend you to read WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA, and reconsider your behavior. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and being uncivil and disrespectful to other users just for the sake of being it really serves no purpose. Jeppiz (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jeppiz:, could you please check your diff and intended target? SandyGeorgia (Talk) |
Followup: it appears that you may have intended this diff, which contains no uncivil content, and in fact, is a complete and adequate summary of a well-known and longstanding problem. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
@SandyGeorgia:, thank you for pointing out the error in the diff. We clearly differ in our views on what is civil. Jumping into an old discussion to tell others "your [sic!] not well placed to ask anything" and "stick to commenting on areas in which you have knowledge" is something I do consider less that civil. Given that an admin pointed out the comment to me, I assume I'm not alone in finding it less than civil. You are of course perfectly entitled to disagree. Jeppiz (talk) 18:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Presumably, if the Admin had found it uncivil...they would have told Ceoil themselves. They didn't? Ah. ——SN54129 18:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps we can ask Drmies himself. [19]. Jeppiz, he may have been merely pointing out to you the longstanding issues with student editing that Ceoil was bringing to your attention, quite respectfully IMO. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
@SandyGeorgia:, you make a fair point, I should of course not guess the motives of anyone. However, if you read the whole thread, you will see that the facts of the matter (student editing) were established days ago, by helpful users. I wrote a reply to acknowledge that, and thank the users. It was to this reply that Ceoil rather rudely told me off, which was completely unwarranted given the state of the discussion. Unfortunately, Ceoil has a very long list of previous blocks for repeated rude behavior. Given this, I do not think it's out of place to remind Ceoil about their behavior on Wikipedia. Jeppiz (talk) 18:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I would caution you, and anyone, against reading too much into Ceoil’s block log. Given the number of admins who run amok and wage vendettas in here, you would be well served to actually get to know Ceoil and to understand the circumstances that have led to some of those blocks. Conversation style varies with culture. You appear to have a polite and respectful demeanor, which tells me you would probably enjoy Ceoil! Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Jeppiz, I suppose (ok, know) I could have been less blunt, but it seemed to me that you were hand waving an issue that has in the past resulted in the need for massive clean up, and not more than one long time, experienced editors packing up their toys. I sudda been more conciliatory, that's for sure. I accept that you were aware of historical issues by the time I, wish you happy editing, and hope there are no hard feelings. Ceoil (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Ceoil, no worries. I have also had bad days when I wrote posts in a more blunt way than I intended. It happens to us all, and no hard feelings. Cheers Jeppiz (talk) 00:25, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Per specific request.Edit

Not a comment. [20] User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 19:37, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, today is the first time I realised they are actually great. So thanks. ps [21], beloved of 90s indie bass players everywhere. AllwAYS get chills at 1:08. Ceoil (talk) 19:40, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

FAC may interest youEdit

Hi Ceoil, given your involvement with the FAC nomination of Charles H. Stonestreet, Thomas F. Mulledy, and William McSherry, I thought you might be interested in weighing in on the FAC of David H. Buel, another jesuit of Georgetown University. The nomination discussion found here. If you're not interested, that's ok. Ergo Sum 05:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Sure, but it may take a week or so. Ceoil (talk) 22:35, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

The best funeral everEdit

[22] Be sure the priest smokes at mine. Force him at gunpoint if you must. User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 03:33, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Tks. Although its very pedestrian 90s dad rock; yer man has the most amazing voice to come out of here since Van Morrison, and by fluke the tune aint bad.[23]. But yes I hate Britpop as much as the next boi. Ceoil (talk) 14:34, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
I relaise nobody gives a fuck what I think, but for prosperity 4/5. As good as Guided by Voices at their worst. Ceoil (talk) 19:19, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


[24] User:Kafka Liz a girl is no one 19:20, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


I would like to be gone for the rest of the year, so handing over to you now. Yomangani's comment is probably right; but a lot of the stuff I trimmed was my own writing & I was like, wtf? So I happily snipped. Put back anything you want. There is one inline comment re Barbara Lane & the sentence that says "Pilgrimage to Mont Saint-Michel, Normandy reached a peak around this time". It seemed to me to need context but I could be wrong & know that I probably don't have Lane anymore but will check to see if I made print outs. Sorry for making a mountain of a molehill (though it's not all my fault, but I guess I feel some need to apologize). Victoria (tk) 21:06, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh, while I was writing this, a bunch of comments landed on the talk page there. Big sigh. Just between the two of us, I'm not healthy enough of this. Victoria (tk) 21:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm glad the two of you have brought the issues to TFA. I have a lot to say but just haven't found the time, and won't have it today. Funerals and such. Don't give up, Victoria. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:12, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Sandy, I'm not giving up. My health sucks (kidney disease & chronic kidney stones, long term side effect of chemo) & I can't do what I used to do. I'm working with doctors & hoping to get better but this has been a sucky month. Plus, yeah, funerals. And Brian. And Christmas. Anyway, Ceoil, I'll probably be lurking but I do get much too cranky to pulled into Wikipedia right now, and I get cranky because, well you get it... I hope you all understand. Victoria (tk) 21:30, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
sorry to hear. haven’t been keeping up with the article talk during this week, but will step in tomorrow. Take care and don’t worry about here. Ceoil (talk) 21:35, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Take care there, Victoria. Yes, hearing about dearest Brainy Brian on the same day I got other dreadful news, and already had a funeral to attend, was ... yuck. Well, here's to 2020. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Ya'll take care. 2020 has GOT to be better...Ealdgyth - Talk 21:47, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm not holding my breath! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
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