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There are ghosts rising on Sandy's page! Hello, young Outriggr and Yomangani! Yomangani, the little Bishonen still has your Gabby userbox on her page. bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 10:11, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

WOOOoooooooooooOOOoooooooooooOOO, etc. Hello, Zilla. I really must make some more templates, I am hilarious. Yomanganitalk 10:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Wow so many FREN, hew new I wood wan to loggin many years after I did retire to GOLDEN FARMS sum ware in the COUNTRY! Quite nice there, no complain. DOGRIGGR did lose the barker, sum years bac. Have noticed the PUPS speak diffren (E Gee, "fren"!). Somewhat concern, no time to SIT on INNER NET larning new pup slang. "Rare pup!" No, in my day we did not rate pups. 13/10 -- please!. No in my day we luvved the SMOL PUPS eekwally, the pups sot attenshun from mamma and mamma sot no attenshun!, as any attenshun mite endanger pups. I hope you understan that sum things do not change. BISHZILLA have long time span, EYAWN perhap, shirley understan that we mus carrie on what good MUTHER NAYCHER has tot us, not to looz our selfs in TEMPTASHUN, fad, in deed to put a way PUPHOOD THINGS. In fac, for the VARY SAKE of the pups. I have spocan, an I bid ewe a dew. --User:Dogriggr-Bark
Sandy sees sea slugs down by the seashore. What a panoply, and before my coffee. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:46, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Such visions appear when Sandy swills shandy. Kablammo (talk) 13:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
[Darwinbish stares.] "Dogriggr, last edited 10 years ago"? (Darwinbish has a script that tells her this.) So what are those howlers then, mylings? [Bites the revenant dog experimentally]. Hmmm. Tastes a bit wispy. darwinbish 14:20, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

Bath School disaster...Edit

This article used to be a WP:FA back in the day (2006 actually...) and was delisted in 2010. Do you think with its subsequent improvements that it now has a chance of possibly passing a WP:FAC? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 04:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Shearonink; I usually start at the bottom of the article.
  • Are all of those External links helpful? Some end with a period, others don't.
I went through the ELs, to me it seems that they are all unique and needful in order to have possible research for interested readers in one place. As always, online sources are in danger of petering our so I will endeavor to get wayback machine URLs for all of these links and to start to bring their URLs into stylistic agreement with one another. I also have trimmed down the Further reading section. Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Citation formatting is all over the place; there is no consistency. Author name format should be standardized; there is some first name first, other first name last, some fully spelled out, others with initials. Same use page and some use p. The News-Herald (Franklin, Pennsylvania) (May 20, 1927). "Heart-rending Scenes Occur at Dynamited School". Newspapers.com. p. 12. matches nothing. Every citation should be reviewed for consistency; it appears that different editors added different citation styles.
Oh *yeah*...that will take some time...will work on it. Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Am slowly plowing through all the cites. This article attracts attention from all sorts of folks whenever there is a man-made disaster involving mass-killing of school children with guns and/or bombs so refs are all over the place. I am not sure why the present style is in the article but I'll bring them all into agreement with one another. eventually....it's a long slow slog. Shearonink (talk) 00:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
What are we supposed to do when the original title is all in caps? I always want to reproduce what the source has at the source... Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
@Shearonink: that is the same as sentence case vs title case, en- and em-dashes, etc.; we follow Wikipedia house style, which is to reduce all caps. They are still equally locatable on a google search. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:36, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Fixed now. Shearonink (talk) 21:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • That portal in "See also" looks utterly dreadful and should be at the bottom of the page, but I understand moving portals right now is likely to trigger some aficionados or an edit-war, so ...
Moved portal bar to proper place within page. Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
That could be tricky these days, with some MOS warriers ... if someone moves it back, it may be best left alone. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:36, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
That green was Not Accepted for accessibility. Adjusted the List for size. None of the possible colors would work accessibility-wise for that header so I removed the color - solved that issue. Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for thinking of me, Sandy, but I'm totally blind ... I know nothing about colour! Graham87 02:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Perhaps (??) you could solve some of the sandwiching by taking a lot of the images to a gallery at the bottom of the article?
I'll have to take a look at them in-toto, did some adjusting. Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • IMO, there are too many quotes.
Adjusted the quotes, removed some of the quoted material, integrated the people/words into the main text, etc. Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Some image captions do not need to start with the word "the"
Fixed. I think... Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • TOC: Day of the disaster followed by Prior to the disaster doesn't work. First, Prior to is not day of, and second, too much repeat of the word disaster, which is in the TOC (repeat words in headings are discouraged). How about, Day of the attacks, and move the Prior to somewhere else, perhaps call it Background or something different?
Made sense to me. Done. Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Why is this in a "note" instead of just text in the article? Note: Most of the victims were Bath Consolidated School students in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age), according to Ellsworth's The Bath School Disaster, p. 126.
Deleted. Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I am not sure these warrant a hatnote: See also: Bath Township, Michigan; Bath, Michigan; and Bath Consolidated School
I wikilinked the various articles instead. Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Some review of wikilinking might be order. Be sure to link on first occurrence, and common terms like school board need not be re-linked in the body of the article, a second time.
That makes sense yeah...long-term project yay! Shearonink (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia I think I have all of the wikilinking fixed. If you don't mind taking a quick look to see if I missed anything I'd appreciate it. Shearonink (talk) 00:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I think if you work on these things, you should be in very good shape to approach FAC. But I would first ask a good copyeditor to go through AFTER you have made all of these improvements. You might interest @Outriggr, Yomangani, and Gog the Mild:, since many FA regulars like seeing bronze stars reinstated. Good luck !!! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

PS, Shearonink, on the FAC, be sure to notify that it is a WP:FFA, because if it passes, the re-promoted numbers and articles at FFA will need to be updated. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:25, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Much thanks Sandy - greatly appreciate your insights. This will help me out quite a bit and will give me a lot to work on. This article gets occasional major editing attention from many different editors and also spates of vandalism from ohsoclever mayhem-loving trolls so I will start the job of getting references into one single WP-classic form :). Heh, will have to remember that "start from the bottom of an article"... Shearonink (talk) 18:17, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Many reviewers seem to peter out before they make it down there! Good luck, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:25, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Shearonink the linking looks good, but watch out for WP:OVERLINK. More WP:NBSP work needed; I left samples. And those images! They are taking over :) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia ... not a picture book :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:13, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Ok, linking and NBSP. Re: images - What images do you object to? Do you think that a gallery would better serve the subject and the article? What to leave out, what to keep... I personally like images next to the content they are illustrating. I know, I know otherthingsexist etc is not justification but if you want to see an article where an image, in this case the infobox, takes over...hoo-boy take a look at Syrian civil war.
I'll take another look at the article later this weekend. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 01:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with any specific image; it's the MOS:SANDWICH problem in aftermath. You can't have both images and the template there, because text is sandwiched. The images aren't particularly high quality, and aren't much to the story, so my suggestion is to remove some of them, keep only the very best, juggle the rest, and avoid the sandwiching. Anyone who wants to see more images can get them at the commons link at the bottom of the page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
edited stuff, adjusted stuff, worked on it a bit more... have to take a break for a while. Is the present version more of what you're thinking of? Shearonink (talk) 02:21, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Better ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

You've been outed!!!Edit

I may get in big trouble for outing you but I don't care as I feel an obligation to let our fellow editors know your true identity. Your amazing powers have been nothing short of mind boggling and your good work around this sometimes wretched place does not go unnoticed. Gandydancer (talk) 01:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Awwww ... that is so very nice of you! And here I thought you were referring to me finally confessing to dear Giano that I was not swooning in Georgia, thereby dashing all of his fantasies! Thanks, Gandydancer; it is very much appreciated in such trying times. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
And, taken away as a non-free file! [1] Well, it was fun while it lasted :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
It might be the G-Men that did it. Just keep this hush-hush. Check your page frequently for secret writing perhaps done with lemon juice, one of their many tricks. (Actually I was afraid that might happen. I once used Zoro's white horse to award someone and it disappeared as well. It seems that some pics get a limited-use OK.) Gandydancer (talk) 02:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I think I will survive ;) Thanks again, it was fun! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I could be wrong but I think this letter - over there. to the left. - could be used... Shearonink (talk) 01:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
...And I could be wrong, but I think that it's easy enough to imagine the part about the very much more than ample bosom stretching the S to it's max under the top?   (BTW, I'm a gurl, and a feminist gurl to boot, so it's OK for me to say this...   ) Gandydancer (talk) 16:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
who told on me? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:39, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't know and I would never pass along a rumor. Maybe Giano? Gandydancer (talk) 17:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Never safe in here! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Please don’t mention and ping me in this outing conversation. I am still inconsolable that the Scarlett O’Hara southern belle, who for years has sparkled flirtatiously at my fevered imagination has suddenly become an Eastern European from a country not known for its gracefully, swooning womenfolk. It’s ruined my life completely. Giano (talk) 17:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Haven't been there either. You need to activate your fantasy mechanism! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:49, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Oh paaaalease, surely not! It gets worse. Giano (talk) 18:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Yep, that's pretty bad there. Back to Atlanta then! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Do not despair, Giano; Georgia is a state of mind. Kablammo (talk) 22:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia - that should get you back on track, Giano. Yomanganitalk 23:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
The cult of the mother of uranus. hmmmm ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Following up on full text requestEdit

Hi Sandy, I just realized that I never replied to your message on Rexx's talk page about your full text request. Sorry about falling behind here. I do have access to the pdf full text for PMID 23877886. Please don't hesitate to reach out if I can help! JenOttawa (talk) 16:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@JenOttawa:, thanks so much! I found other sources that basically say parent management training is effective for families whose children have Tourette's in conjunction with behavioral disorders. Are you able to do a search on that article and see if it has, other than that, any relevant text specific to parent management training for tic disorders or Tourette syndrome? I suspect I'm OK with the general statement I now have. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


It looks like I screwed up a couple of redirects the other day. The general theory is general discussion on one page, and specific discussion on the specific pages. I think it's all fixed now. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:01, 24 January 2020 (UTC)