MSGJ, you updated the formatting for this template back in late April. I was wondering whether you would be interested in adding a new Prep, and eventually, a new Queue, to the template.

I have just added Prep 7 to the preps and queues, and it has gone live on the Preps and Queues page. So it would help if that could be added today.

Because Queue 7 has to wait a cycle before it can go live—the earliest would be Friday, 7 June 2020 after the main page update at 12:00 UTC, but it might have to be delayed by 12 hours or more—we wouldn't want to add it to the template before that time.

I can always try to find another admin if this isn't a good time for you, but I thought I should ask you first. If you're willing, please do Prep 7 as soon as possible; I'll let you know when we're ready for Queue 7 to go live.

Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Added prep 7 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:00, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Many thanks. I'll be in touch when it's time to add Queue 7. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Martin, thanks again for yesterday. It's now time to add Queue 7 to the template, since I've just added it to the Queues page. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Great! We're all set now. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Ancillary templatesEdit

Martin, it looks like I spoke too soon. The change in the number of queues will affect {{DYK-AdminBacklog}} and subsidiary templates, including {{Emptyqueueexpr}}. Can you please update them now that we have seven queues rather than six? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Taking a look: can you set this so it displays the warning message if there are five or more empty queues even with a total of seven? Now that we have seven queues, having five or more empty is excessive; we don't want there to have to be six empty. Right now, there are five of seven empty, but the warning message is not displaying. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
There is a whole myriad of templates that work together. It's going to take me a while to get my head around what does what. Leave it with me! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:48, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: I think I've updated those templates. Would you mind having a look to see if everything looks okay? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Martin, thank you so much. I'll keep an eye out for when the number of queues gets down to two, to see whether the backlog message displays. (I'm hoping that some preps will be moved to queues over the course of the afternoon, but if not we'll be down to two queues at midnight UTC, under seven hours from now.) Right now, the non-backlog message is displaying, but it's no longer centered the way it once was, in the manner than the message below it is (icon left, message centered). Also, the two message boxes at the top—the backlog (broom icon) and the info box below it—are not quite centered over each other, and it would be great if they aligned as well. Might that be possible? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
I think the icons are aligned, but yes I tweaked the alignment of the backlog message. I just adjusted the other to match but if you prefer the centred, I can revert! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:50, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. It may be a browser thing (I use Safari), but on my screen the empty queues box is about an "n" width further left (at beginning and end) than the identically wide info box below it. (It's not aligning the icons so much as their boxes.) Then again, the queues box has the shortcut box on the same line at the right edge of the page, which may or may not affect the centering of the queues box. As for the queues box, it's going to be another 36 hours at least before we can check it to see whether it changes to reflect the five empty queues (of seven) or not: three more queues were filled since I last posted here, bringing it up to six, and one will just have been promoted, putting us back down to five. If we're unlucky (though lucky for keeping the queues filled), it may be several days (or even weeks) before the queues drop down low enough to see whether two queues turns the message on. Or perhaps we'll want to encourage admins to promote more queues, and adjust the number to four empty queues rather than five. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:11, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Martin, having thought about it overnight, I would appreciate it if you would adjust the number to four empty queues rather than five. That's more than half empty, and we've been getting posts requesting prep to queue promotions at that level lately—I think it's better to have the automated backlog notice be running so admins can tell at a glance that more promotions are needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Template error?Edit

Martin, we just had a situation where all the queues were full. In that case, {{DYK queue/next empty}} (formerly {{emptyqueue}}) is supposed to return a 0, but it's instead returning the number of the actual next queue, currently 4. This broke {{Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes}}, which after displaying all the queues checks to see if there are any empty queues, and if not (a 0 is returned), displays all the preps. With a 4 returned instead, it didn't display the preps, though the queues all displayed, so it wasn't a dire problem.

I have fixed matters by using {{DYK queue/number of empty}} for the check, and we're now seeing all queues and preps, at least until the next queue promotion a few minutes from now. You will want to adjust DYK queue/next empty so it returns a 0 if there are no empty ones, and the number of the next empty queue when there is one. Please let me know when that's set. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Martin: there's another template error, and until it's fixed I cannot move my code out to expand the {{Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes}} template. It's {{DYK queue/is empty?}} that's giving the problem. Currently, {{Did you know/Queue/Next}} is 7 (Queue 7), and Queues 7 and 1 through 4 are full, while Queues 5 and 6 are empty. You would expect is empty? to return a 0 for the filled queues 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7, and a 1 for empty queues 5 and 6. Instead, it's returning 0 for queues 1, 2, 3, 6, and 7, and 1 for queues 4 and 5. (When 6 had been Queue/Next and 5 had been the only empty one, {{DYK queue/is empty?}} had displayed everything correctly, so it presumably returned a 0 for all queues except for empty 5, which returned a 1.
Please let me know if you have any further questions, and also when you've got if fixed. My code is at User:BlueMoonset/sandbox2, with a list of test results for {{DYK queue/is empty?}} at the end, if that would help you. Note that the "resulting queue" number is the parameter being passed to the is empty? template. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:03, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Or maybe it isn't a template error, maybe it's that the template doesn't do what I think it does based on its name. I thought that if I gave it a queue number, it would give me a 1 if that queue was empty, and a 0 if it was not empty. If that isn't what it does, and you need it as is for another template (number of empty, I think), then I'll make one for myself. Please let me know what you recommend. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi BlueMoonset - it's a complicated/clever template. When you type {{DYK queue/is empty?|3}} it is telling you whether the 3rd queue after the next queue is empty or not. I've created some documentation. I'll take a look at the "all full" error later today. Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:16, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
I've fixed the error when all queues are full. Question: is prep n always loaded into queue n? If not, would it be helpful if the next empty queue was displayed on the navigation template? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:37, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Temple Memorial ParkEdit

 On 13 June 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Temple Memorial Park, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Temple Memorial Park, named after Archbishop of Canterbury William Temple, was given to the people of South Shields in recognition of their military contributions at sea in World War II? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Temple Memorial Park. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Temple Memorial Park), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Movie deletionsEdit

Hello MSGJ, I wanted to ask you about recent deletions regarding my film studio’s movie articles relating to my employer Ave Fenix Pictures. Note, I have declared my connection as part of the studio and fulfilled Wikipedia's requirements for editors with COI.

An editor proposed the deletion of all the studio’s movies and the actual Ave Fenix Pictures film studio page. On May 11th concurrently Ave Fenix Pictures, Arise from Darkness, Black Ruby, La Raza filmmaking and Adios Vaya Con Dios (several days later) were all deleted by the same editor.

I suspect intentional reprisal due to the fact that two days prior to the synchronized deletion an email was sent to our film studio demanding precise wordage to be removed from several of our Wikipedia articles in relationship to a specific film. Within 48 hours our studio and movie pages were proposed to deletion, claiming that none of the references used were acceptable (reviewers checked and published the articles over a year ago, with those same references). It is difficult to imagine the timing of this is a coincidence.

The editor who proposed the deletion starts from the premise that all the references we used are the result of a press move and derived from press releases, "arranged" interviews, etc. .... But it is logical that a movie, when it is released, warns the media about the premiere, and those media will echo the movie, if they are interested.

If a group of references was enough for the approval of an article, and if for a long time no one discussed it, it does not seem normal for an editor to launch a deletion campaign against a group of articles claiming that no reference is useful. It would be understandable if some references are discussed, or if he had placed a banner on the articles, asking for better references, but it seems very rare to say that no reference works.

I am in the process of retrieving some of the articles (drafts), as some were soft-deletes. Arise from Darkness was re-published by another editor and 3 hour later the same editor who lead the simultaneous deletions put a deletion banner over the film. I can only work on the drafts to improve them and re-submit them for review, as I cannot publish them myself. I’m hoping you may look into this matter for me as I suspect suspicious conduct and if there is in fact a way to make reversals based on substantiation. Thank you.--Michael.j.schwartz (talk) 21:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Not sure why you've come to me? But the notability guideline for films is here: Wikipedia:Notability (films). If you think this film meets the criteria, then please make your case at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arise from Darkness (2nd nomination) and it will decided by consensus. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi MSGJ, I came to you because you are one of the Administrators listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Participants#Admins and I thought you can give me an opinion on the film, and also a tip on how to proceed with the editor's actions. My thought process was if someone can execute a massive simultaneous deletion they would have a special interest in the subject, which I believe should be defined. Also, in brining up the fact that this appears to be personalized due to two days prior a film organization asking my studio to remove specific Wikipedia wordage and than two days after all our articles become deleted, to whom do I bring this information forward? It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the deletions were a coincidence and the same editor went through all the references of five articles, within 48 hours and found zero useful, but it is highly unlikely. It's more evident that someone didn't like descriptions of the studio's articles and when we did not oblige (via corporate) they took it upon themselves to seek the means to make us obsolete through reprisal. I do not know anyone else to ask for advice in receiving a sincere inquiry.--Michael.j.schwartz (talk) 07:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Taskforces supported by multiple WikiProjectsEdit

Sorry for picking on you, I really don't know anyone else who works on WPBannerMeta, and I'm too short on time at present to go hunting through all the documentation on my own.

As background there's an open discussion at WikiProject Former countries on converting WikiProject Ottoman Empire to be a taskforce. I don't intend to prejudge the outcome but on a quick perusal I couldn't help but noticing that the Austria-Hungary task force, the Holy Roman Empire task force, and WikiProject Prussia were being supported on multiple banners, namely WikiProject Germany and WikiProject Austria. Is this kind of arrangement considered best practice? If so in case of conflict which one's assessment will populate the tracking categories and why?

At the very least I think these would be good things to know before going to work in the sandbox.

I don't know when I'll pop in next but I'm going to try to set aside some time before the 3rd so hopefully you should hear ack from me by then; thanks for your time.

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temporary css hacksEdit

Hi MSGJ, regarding these workarounds - can you provide related phab ticket numbers that are pending for the long term fix? — xaosflux Talk 13:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)