Andrew MumfordEdit

Hello. I hope you are fine. Ordinarily I would agree with you, but the only evidence that he's a fellow is from his own CV. Could you please look again at this issue. Thanks. Best wishes, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 10:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes I noticed that. But to survive A7, it only has to make a credible claim of importance. So if you don't think it is true, then AfD would be the appropriate process. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Authority controlEdit

Hello, MSGJ,

I don't really understand what authority control is all about but I do tag empty categories on a daily basis and right now we have a lot of empty categories on this subject as you can see in Category:AC with n elements. Since categories usually become empty when they held one article and that article is deleted, it's unusual to have a number of categories on the same subject suddenly become empty at the same time unless an editor has taken on a recategorization project. I see a bit of information that this might be the case on the talk page of Authority control but since I saw you were very active there, I just wanted to check in with you and make sure that this was an intentional emptying and not the work of one enthusiastic editor (which is more often the case).

I hope you are having a good weekend (it is very rainy here in the NW U.S.) and that 2023 is starting off for you on a good note. Liz Read! Talk! 20:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Liz. It was intentional as these tracking categories are not being used for any active task now. It has since been questioned by another editor at Template talk:Authority control so depending on the discussion I may end up restoring these! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:39, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Circling back here today, thank you for the response. Do you play on keeping Category:AC with 0 elements? Because, as I'm sure you know, categories are used to organize content and having only one category on a subject is not typically done unless we have a habit of keeping a certain category across a lot of different parent categories (like people born in a certain year or football players from a certain country). It's worth keeping this one if it will be useful to other editors but if you are no longer categorizing pages by element number, it might be worth the effort to have a bot remove this category from the 124,844 pages it's used on if it doesn't serve a useful function. We are continually working against overcategorization with some articles (although it looks like this is a hidden category). Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 00:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi liz, that category is gradually emptying but it's taking longer because its so large! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 03:04, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Please do not change user pages unless absolutely necessaryEdit

You just changed one of my sandbox pages to include an Authority control template (User:Eewilson/New England Botanical Society), which should not have occurred. Is this a bot you are running? – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 22:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

No bot, this was made by myself. I am updating the syntax for the template. Why should it have not occured? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:17, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Well, because it wasn't in there in the first place. Why would we have authority control in user pages? Categories and such are commented out. Is authority control somehow different? It seems even common courtesy would be to let me know on my talk page and give me the option of doing it myself if it is required. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 22:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
It was there in the first place! I changed
{{Authority control|VIAF=152337746|LCCN=n81072770|WORLDCATID=lccn-n81072770|GND=5214941-9|NKC=kn20100106008}}
to
{{Authority control|qid=Q55829215}}
which is the same information but in the preferred format by getting data from New England Botanical Club (Q55829215) on Wikidata — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:27, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Well I'll be damned. You're right. I should have had that commented out. Well, in that case, thank you? :) – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 22:31, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
So, it's acceptable to have authority control in a user space article? – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 22:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
  It's fine to leave these templates in your userspace but adding the qid keeps them up-to-date with the data on Wikidata, and one day the named parameters will not work anymore, so I was trying to help ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
And you did! :) Thank you, Martin. What I was thinking was that you hopped in and put something there that wasn't there. I wonder why I had it there in the first place? Well, I commented it out. I plan to finish that article... eventually. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 22:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata, {Authority control}Edit

Follow up to User talk:P64#LAC. I will have a question or three. First I see that the default display of EN.wikipedia articles has changed. After some exploration at top right I find interwiki links for DE.wikipedia and so on, but no interwiki link to Wikidata (crucial for me). I find my own talk page and Contributions. At top left I find article Contents list. I miss What links here? (useful to me) and maybe others. --P64 (talk) 14:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

I guess you are using the new skin. You should find the "Wikidata item" link in the toolbar on the left side, but you may have to scroll to the top of the page to see the toolbar? "What links here" is in the same place (on my browser/skin) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Precious
 
Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Definition of height of a lighthouseEdit

Hi, can you please clarify for me the definition of height that is to apply to the Wikidata property height for a lighthouse. Looking at some of the citations and local sources here in NZ, it seems to be the industry convention that the height refers to the total height from the base of the tower to the top of the lantern. See: [1]. This would also help to explain why Maritime New Zealand quotes the tower height of the Puysegur Point lighthouse as 5 metres [2], when from the photograph, you can see that the "tower" itself is a small concrete foundation [3]. However, if there is a different definition for the height of the tower in Wikidata I will try to be consistent. Thanks, Marshelec (talk) 21:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Marshelec! I have always assumed it was the total height of the whole building (including base, tower, lantern) from the ground. In your example I'm not sure that antenna would count, but the lantern is certainly part of the building. Of course we have a seperate property for focal height (P2923) which I think is well understood to be the height of the actual light above mean sea level. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, I am continuing to make progress with developing the article. Today I found fascinating video about the lighthouse that you might enjoy: [4]. Seeing this video was helpful (even though I have been fortunate to visit this remote site myself a couple of years ago). The video has prompted me to search for some additional sources on several topics, and especially to write up a summary of the climate. I might try to get this article to GA standard, but there is still a fair way to go. I do have a further question. The video clearly shows that the current light uses a modern rotating beacon installed within the old lantern house. The fresnel lenses installed when they replaced the lighthouse in 1942-43 are no longer in service. Presumably I just remove the lenses property data from Wikidata, so that it represents the current state ? Marshelec (talk) 07:37, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
The best way is to add a qualifier for end time (P582) to the statement, and then add another statement with qualifier start time (P580) with the new value. It's generally best not to remove statements. Great work with the article, I'll come and check it out! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:08, 5 February 2023 (UTC)