# User talk:Renerpho

Latest comment: 1 month ago by Steelkamp in topic Your GA nomination of Edward Thonen

## The Space Barnstar

 The Space Barnstar For being an early contributor to the 2I/Borisov article. ↠Pine (✉) 06:07, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@Pine: Thank you! Renerpho (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

## Finding minor-planet names in MPC-publications

Hi Renerpho, there is a tool that might assist you finding a specific name among the many Minor Planet Circulars (website). For example, MPC's object page for (4388) Jurgenstock displays the Reference page number (36126). The tool maps this number to the corresponding publishing date (28 September 1999), and from there on it's easy to find the corresponding M.P.C. For 4388 Jürgenstock, page 362 (M.P.C. 36126), the name has been published with an umlaut. Hope that was informative. Rfassbind – talk 03:42, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

By the way, we both registered on Wikipedia just 12 days apart. What a coincidence! Rfassbind – talk 03:47, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Rfassbind! I have since contacted the MPC, to ask why there are two conflicting names on the website.[1] JPL finds the object when looking for Jurgenstock, but not Jürgenstock. I was informed that the page titles on both the MPC and JPL do not display umlauts by default. P.S. Nice coincidence about our Wikipedia age (even though I wasn't very active for the first few years). Renerpho (talk) 22:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

## Thanks for the awesome image

This is a very useful image of the TNOs known today. Well done!

Thanks for contributing it to the emergent encyclopedia of human knowledge! N2e (talk) 18:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

@N2e: Thank you! I plan to update it regularly as more objects/classifications become available. Renerpho (talk) 01:29, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

I have a second, related image. While the first one makes the resonances more apparent, the classifications (cubewano, scattered, etc) are more transparent in this one (IMO):

Renerpho (talk) 01:38, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a helpful view. Thanks for sharing it.
It's always amazing to me how good graphical presentation can make difficult-to-grok data on the real (and complex) world more clear. N2e (talk) 04:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

## 47171 Lempo image

Hi Renerpho, could you upload a processed Hubble image of the 47171 Lempo system with all three components resolved? The artice's infobox image is quite old and the third component of the Lempo system hasn't been discovered at the time, and I figured that you can help replace the old image with a better one since you've uploaded a processed image of Huya and its satellite. Nrco0e (talk · contribs) 00:07, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I can try, but the third component is difficult to resolve. Renerpho (talk) 11:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hubble images of the Lempo/Hiisi system, with the two components marked "1" and "2"

Done. Renerpho (talk) 12:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC) An image with all three components resolved doesn't work well. I decided against it, instead adding an image to the section about the individual components.12:51, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

## A humor barnstar for you

 Humor Barnstar! Congrats for winning the contest. Here's your reward. Wikipedia:April Fools/April Fools' Day 2020 OcelotCreeper (talk) 17:03, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again for helping with some distraction. Times aren't easy. We can all need a good laugh! Renerpho (talk) 17:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

## A WikiYanny, First Class with Invisible Oak Clusters for you!

 A WikiYanny, First Class with Invisible Oak Clusters for you! Awarded for your incredible work documenting the unfolding Great Edit War of 2020. Your speed and thoroughness were nothing short of awe-inspiring. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Spirit of Eagle. I'm a bit sad I missed the finale, but you handled it well without me. 😉 I'm not looking forward to do this ever again, but only because I hope I'm never again stuck at home like this! It was all good fun though, thanks again! Renerpho (talk) 02:06, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

## Thanks for marvelous job udating Tabby's Star plot!

Renerpho, thanks for the marvelous job you've done updating the consolidated plot of Tabby's Star dimmings! And thanks to Bruce Gary for the data!

You're welcome! Renerpho (talk) 21:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

## DYK for Michael Boddenberg

On 23 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Michael Boddenberg, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Michael Boddenberg (pictured), the minister of finance of the German state of Hesse, once directed a school for butchers and bakers? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Michael Boddenberg. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Michael Boddenberg), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

00:01, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

## Name Apophis

Hi @Renerpho , I saw that you have removed my contributed info on the page Apophis for the name Apophis, Would you please explain the reason more here. --Aaqibacs1 (talk) 11:03, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

In fact, I did not remove everything; I kept your citation, moving it into the infobox.
The first sentence of an article's lead section is not the place to give background information about the etymology of the name. That is secondary information that either can be handled in a subsection, or further down in the lead if it is absolutely necessary information. See the Manual of Style for details.
The article you edited is about an asteroid, and the lead should begin with the one thing that 99942 Apophis is most notable for. That is the initial impact risk. Your addition would have been more suitable for the subsection about the name, further down the article. Renerpho (talk) 11:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
@Renerpho: Alright, Thanks for the help, So, It could be added in the section "Discovery and naming", Right? Aaqibacs1 (talk) 13:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
That could work, yes. Renerpho (talk) 13:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
@Renerpho: Thanks. Happy Editing. --Aaqibacs1 (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

## List of fugitives from justice who disappeared

Hi, I see that you added an entry to List of fugitives from justice who disappeared, good job! Do you think that you could help add some entries to lists like this? I would be very thankful for any help that I can get. Davidgoodheart (talk) 10:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I don't think I can do much to help you, unfortunately. My edit was specific to the Marsalek case, and I won't have time to work on lists like this more frequently. Renerpho (talk) 08:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

... on the Sedna page. I wasn't sure how long the body spent in proximity to the sun, so your revert was in order and well explained in the edit. Thanks for the change, and the explanation. 92.12.199.159 (talk) 22:34, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

## A barnstar for you!

 The Barnstar of Diligence Thank you for your thorough contributions to astronomy articles on Wikipedia! Nrco0e (talk · contribs) 23:00, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

## Tabby's Star

Renerpho, I've just uploaded a new version of our plot ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KIC_8462852_dip_minima_2965x1900_72dpi.png ) to Wikimedia Commons that reflects the likely 1,574 day periodicity, and which throws a spotlight on the crucial October 2021 portion of the current observing season. So if you think OK, please free to post in addition to, or possibly to replace, our current "linear" plot, which is becoming rather too long -- you can do in 10 minutes what would take me 6 hours !!! Synchronist (talk) 19:15, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

## Lagrange-point img

Hi Renerpho,

I thought I'd ask you this since you helped with the Haumea-Neptune resonance imgs.

Is this image accurate?

From what I understand, the L4 and L5 points are indeed local maxima, and it's Coriolis effects that cause the orbital stability. But shouldn't the potential otherwise go up with further distance from the Sun? The way I'm reading this, it looks like the Sun exerts a gravitational repulsion once you get past the Lagrange points.

Also, our article states that L4 and L5 are gravitational wells -- but doesn't that imply local minima in the potential, not just stability? — kwami (talk) 08:20, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

This looks accurate. (Do we need a 3D version of that diagram though?) It shows the effective potential, which includes the centrifugal force. It is only the gravitational potential that increases with distance. We already have an image on Wiki Commons that explains the difference.

The stability (and "attracting" effect) of the L4/L5 points is due to the Coriolis effect, which can not be shown on a contour plot. So whether the effective potential has maxima or minima there doesn't necessarily tell you about the nature of those points. Note that this is explained in the section "Stability". Perhaps describing them as a simple gravity well is confusing, because neither the gravitational nor the effective potential are enough to explain their stability. Renerpho (talk) 10:12, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. That makes sense. The img itself claimed it was gravitational potential, so I changed that. Also removed 'gravitational well' from the article. — kwami (talk) 17:49, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
If the article said "gravitational well" then that's definitely wrong. It should be "gravity well". Renerpho (talk) 17:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
My bad. It was 'gravity'. — kwami (talk) 17:58, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
All good then. :) Renerpho (talk) 17:59, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Another question, if you don't mind. At Recombination (cosmology), we give Z and the age of the Universe at the time of the CMB. But we don't give the density or the size of the Universe at that time. Do we have any idea what those values might be? — kwami (talk) 03:38, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

We do. Size is easy, see Observable universe#Size. The observable universe had a radius of about 42 million light-years at the time of the CMB, as the scale factor is given by ${\displaystyle \alpha (t)={\frac {1}{1+z}}}$ . Feel free to add that information to the recombination article. Density is more complicated, as you need to specify what kind of density you're talking about. The energy density of matter scales as ${\displaystyle \rho _{M}\sim {\frac {1}{{a}^{3}}}}$ , just as volume scales as ${\displaystyle V(t)\sim {{a}^{3}}}$ .[2] Another good source may be [3], if you're looking for something to add to this article. Renerpho (talk) 11:13, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Pardon my joining your conversation. Re "(Do we need a 3D version of that diagram though?)", I'm tempted to recreate my diagram as an STL. However, the equation I have gives the potential in x, y, z while I think it's better for vertices to be on equipotential lines so that the deep funnels' shape are better captured. Would you have an equation that gives x and y values for a given z? Thanks, cmɢʟeeτaʟκ 12:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

## Hygiea

If it doesn't display correctly, it's because you don't have a supporting font installed. There's nothing wrong with the encoding. — kwami (talk) 22:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I tried on my phone and laptop; neither display it correctly. So I assume I am not the only one. Do we absolutely need the symbol? Alternatively, I suggest to replace the error-prone unicode symbol with an image. Would that work? Renerpho (talk) 23:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

We should have both. An image is already there. But some will want to be able to copy the character. And for those who do have supporting fonts installed, I don't see why we shouldn't include it.

A lot of things on WP don't display well for ppl who don't have a lot of fonts installed, which is why we use e.g. {{IPA}} to format IPA transcriptions and have warnings that the page includes IPA and may not display properly for some people. Maybe I could try {{Unicode}} here. — kwami (talk) 23:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

(Nah, {{unichar}} doesn't seem to make any difference. BTW, it doesn't display properly for me either. But it will for some people, and font support will improve over time.)

I appreciate the idea, but the display error is confusing. How about turning it into a note instead? Those that want the unicode will find it there, everyone else will not be confused by the weird symbols in the main article body. Renerpho (talk) 00:08, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

How's that? I moved the img into the text, with the character in parentheses after it. — kwami (talk) 06:49, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I think that works, too. Renerpho (talk) 13:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

## Varda

Hi Renerpho, I should have looked more carefully before I reverted your edit to Varda. The underlying problem is that Varda (disambiguation) is malplaced. I have listed it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation/Malplaced disambiguation pages, so it should be fixed soon. Thanks for fixing my mistake. Leschnei (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks! Renerpho (talk) 02:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
@Leschnei: Just to clarify, it wasn't my edit that you had reverted, but someone else's. I am tagging @Onel5969:, in case they have input. Renerpho (talk) 14:35, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
@Leschnei: That was my doing. Another like that is Manwë (disambiguation). The problem with these is that the plain title was a section rd, which made it difficult to place a hat note for the dab page. — kwami (talk) 05:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen a DAP hatnote under a section heading - probably. Leschnei (talk) 11:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
@Leschnei: If it were under a section heading, I'd've left it alone. But it was a rd to an item in a table. It would be messy to put a hat note inside a table, if it's even possible. I didn't try experimenting. Perhaps there could be a table-spanning row above the entry for the hat note, and the anchor for the rd could be there. If you think that would be best in the case of Manwë to avoid TWODAB, that would be okay w me. A dab page was just the most straightforward option. — kwami (talk) 19:52, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
I agree that a hat note inside of a table sounds extremely cumbersome! A DAB page is just fine - it just needs to be swapped so that Varda is the DAB page and Varda (disambiguation) redirects to it. I have made the request and it should be taken care of soon. Leschnei (talk) 21:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

## FAC process

I was hounded out of the FAC process. Please don't go to my page and ask me to participate. Tony (talk) 21:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tony1: Apologies if you took issue with the message. Please note that it is a necessary part of the FAR process to notify users with significant involvement in the article, and that the message I wrote was generated automatically from a template. It is not meant to imply that you were under any obligation to participate. If you receive similar messages in the future, I suggest to simply ignore them! I will try to remember to leave you out of it where I can. Renerpho (talk) 23:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

## Outing at Talk:Recursion

While I recognize that your recent addition at Talk:Recursion was well intended, it's very bad form to link accounts to individuals when they haven't done so themselves (see WP:OUTING). In this case, the edit request had already been dealt with on non-COI grounds, so it really wasn't necessary. The OP was removing the whole section, but I have opted instead to just remove your post; I hope that's all right with you, and I wouldn't object if you reinstated a version of your post that warned about COI without explicitly making the off-wiki connection. --JBL (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello JBL. Thanks, that's alright with me! In hindsight, I recognize that my post was poorly done. Renerpho (talk) 18:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

## "Tinky Winkenic acid" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Tinky Winkenic acid and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 23#Tinky Winkenic acid until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. MB 16:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

## Help with editing

Hi, I see you added and entry to a kissing persons list. Do you think that you could add entries to disappeared people lists? I have my hands full with editing and can only do so much at a time. I would be very thankful for any help that you could give me. Davidgoodheart (talk) 17:23, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Davidgoodheart. I'm sorry. As I have already pointed out when you asked here, I won't be able to help with articles of this sort more broadly. If I make additions to those lists then they are case-specific. Renerpho (talk) 05:55, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

## DYK for Edward Thonen

On 17 December 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Edward Thonen, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Edward Thonen, one of the miners killed in the Eureka Rebellion, had gained notoriety in England as a jewellery thief prior to his emigration to Australia? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Thonen. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Edward Thonen), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

## Your GA nomination of Edward Thonen

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Edward Thonen you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria.   This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Steelkamp -- Steelkamp (talk) 02:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)