Talk:Kostyonki–Borshchyovo

Coordinate error

The coordinates need the following fixes:

• Write here

194.208.116.38 (talk) 10:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)the correct coordinates are: 51.405645°, 39.042797°194.208.116.38 (talk) 10:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't really in need of fixing, but adjusted nonetheless. Mephistophelian (talk) 21:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Kostenki or Kostyonki?

Does it matter, generally, which spelling is used for the discussion?

Relative to the human remains, paleontologists consistently refer to it as "Kostenki".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8435317.stm

http://johnhawks.net/taxonomy/term/342

Type in "Kostyonki" and Google gives no paleontological results, but asks "Did you mean: Kostenki?" I think that it's clear what needs to be done. Kortoso (talk) 18:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

See yo (Cyrillic). And the article is not about paleontological results; it's about a rural locality (in the names of which "ё" is consistently romanized as "yo"). Paleontological information has simply been upmerged into this article as it was the closest available target. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 22, 2013; 18:40 (UTC)

So then, the paleontologists have been pronouncing it wrong. At least they got their re-direct. Hopefully they will learn how to pronounce it correctly. Kortoso (talk) 20:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

But it's not about "right" or "wrong" at all. Both variants are perfectly acceptable; the (sometimes arbitrary) choice of one over another is regulated only by the guidelines. And this is a transliteration, not a transcription. For pronunciation guidance, one needs to look at the transcription, not transliteration. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 22, 2013; 21:28 (UTC)

This article is in English, so the variations in transliteration and Russian/Ukrainian pronunciation are irrelevant. Please refer to the paleontology cites that I have offered. This article is about the ancient find, not the locality, which I believe has its own entry. Here are more examples of this archeological find as cited in professional literature:

Kostenki 14 – A 36,000 Year Old European

The man from Kostenki shared close ancestry with hunter-gatherers in Europe—as well as with the early farmers, suggesting that his ancestors interbred with members of the same Middle Eastern population who later turned into farmers and came to Europe themselves.

Genome of Kostenki-14, an Upper Paleolithic European (Seguin-Orlando, Korneliussen, Sikora, et al. 2014)

Kortoso (talk) 22:05, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I can see that nobody has said anything on this topic for a few years. I think that the page absolutely does need to be renamed to "Kostenki-Borshchevo archaeological complex" or something similar - maybe just "Kostenki-Borshchevo" with a disambiguation page to separate the pages for the archaeological complex from pages for the villages themselves. In English, the area is, to my knowledge, never referred to as Kostyonki-Borschyovo - the only place I recall ever seeing this is on Google Maps. There are numerous ways of transliterating "ë" - it can be e, ë, yo - but in this case it is clear that in normal usage, the area is referred to as "Kostenki-Borshchevo". If nobody has any objections, I would like to move the page. Alopex720 (talk) 09:48, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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Dating

The eruption of the Phlegraean Fields volcano occurred about 39.28 ± 0.11 ka.

Come on now. We can get away with "about 39,000 years ago" can't we?

Kortoso (talk) 18:50, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I believe the wording is the way it is because the person who added this information copied the format directly from the source. But since we are simply summarizing the source (and are doing it for laymen readers), using "about 39,000 years ago" instead would be perfectly reasonable. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 30, 2014; 19:03 (UTC)

Righto. Thanks. I'm on it. Kortoso (talk) 19:11, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The para is still logical nonsense, because self-contradicting and not coordinated with the special wiki articels.2A02:8108:9640:1A68:A43A:2A66:7E5A:BC61 (talk) 08:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Source?

Possibly copy & paste from World Heritage Encyclopedia (or vice versa?):

http://www.gutenberg.us/article/whebn0008887281/kostyonki,%20voronezh%20oblast

Search for "assemlage".

Cultures

No answer re: Strelec and Sheletian cultures? In the original document these are Strelets and Szeletian.

Strelets: Upper Palaeolithic culture of the Oka-Don Lowland of European Russia, dated to c 40,000-25,000 bp. The earliest assemblages include Middle Palaeolithic scrapers, points, and bifaces. Later assemblages have scrapers, burins, non-stone tools, and art objects. The diagnostic tool is a small triangular bifacial point with concave base.

Szeletian: Early Upper Palaeolithic industry of central Europe with bifacial foliated points and sidescrapers, but it has also been applied to the industries with foliated points which mark the transition from the Middle Paleolithic to Upper Paleolithic periods throughout the eastern part of central Europe. It appears to have developed from the Middle Palaeolithic (Micoquian). The type site is Szeleta Cave in the Bükk Mountains in Hungary. The culture seems to date between 45,000-25,000 BC, the middle of the Last Glacial. Later assemblages contain endscrapers and retouched blades.

Kortoso (talk) 21:55, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

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"In the period around 40-24 kya, a latitudinal clinal pattern of modern/Neanderthal traits was indicated in Europe. The Kostyonki sites are located at the more modern eastward end." - Having gotten no corrections of this confused nonsence after two years I deleted it.HJJHolm (talk) 15:33, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

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