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September 10Edit

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(Closed) Conte CabinetEdit

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Article: Conte II Cabinet (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte's new government takes office.
Alternative blurb: ​Following Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte's resignation on 20 August, Conte forms a new government and is reappointed as Prime Minister.
Nominator's comments: We passed over all the other stuff about Conte being outed. I think we should at least put the end note of the current crisis in. I have no faith that this will last until Christmas, but that would be WP:CrystalRockphed (talk) 12:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I've gone back and forth on this...I'm leaning support because this is a significant change in the political direction of the country, right? That they kept the same PM is almost beside the point. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:31, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, they swapped a center/center right coalition for a center/center left/left wing coalition. I feel like some of that should be in the blurb, but I couldn't think of any way to elegantly state it. Rockphed (talk) 12:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support – This is the moment we've been waiting for since last week. Note that BBC says "Italy's new populist-centre left government has been appointed."Sca (talk) 13:47, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Based on previous nom when this was getting into motion. Article is fine. Blurb could explain a bit more about why this came about as an out-of-process leadership change. --Masem (t) 14:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose all the latter sections of the article are unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Not so at this point, but I'd rather see Eng.-lang. references than Italian, this being the English-language Wiki. There are plenty of sources in English. – Sca (talk) 14:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Getting stale. – Sca (talk) 15:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Stale. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 13:25, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, too late now. But note that today is the day the government should be confirmed in the Parliament, so it could still count as recent. However thanks for your suggestions, I added more English-language sources. --Ritchie92 (talk) 13:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
I imagine parliamentary confirmation will be a procedural footnote. Too bad, as politically this coalition was quite significant. – Sca (talk) 15:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
It is more recent than Hurricane Dorian and the boat fire.Rockphed (talk) 19:32, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
That doesn't make it fresh. – Sca (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment – But hey, maybe this does: "Italy's Conte pledges new start, wins confidence vote in parliament." Story quotes him promising "a new era of reforms" and to work constructively with the European Union. If we had a good update, I'd support. – Sca (talk) 20:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Tomorrow there is the final vote in the Senate (today it won the support of the lower house already), so that might be a good occasion because it will be officially in full power. --Ritchie92 (talk) 23:11, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support – In principle, when relevant section is updated with footnotes in English. (Moved up to 9/10, date of final confirmation.) – Sca (talk) 15:07, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
It's done. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 18:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I've been trying to follow the Italian politics - but, I have to say, Boris Johnson being taken to court for high treason has taken more of my focus - is it a fully new government? Because that's more or less ITN at this point. It doesn't appear there's been an election, though? (Or if there has, I was too busy watching worse governments to notice, apologies to Italy) Kingsif (talk) 06:41, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Was there an election before Boris Johnson formed a new British government? No. So I don't understand the objection. It's a new government because Italy is a parliamentary democracy, you don't need new elections to form a new government supported by a majority in the Parliament. Sorry to be blunt. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:44, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose as Conte is still the Prime Minister, this is just local politics. Solo Samaritan (talk) 12:51, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Actually it's a huge deal in politics, also at a European level. But now it's anyway too late, I would close this. --Ritchie92 (talk) 14:48, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
  • No consensus, closing. --qedk (t c) 13:27, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) Karbala stampedeEdit

Article: Karbala stampede (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least 31 people are killed and more than 100 injured from a stampede during the celebration of Ashura at Karbala, Iraq.
News source(s): BBC

Nominator's comments: Way too short right now, but will be trying to expand. Masem (t) 20:29, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Support on notability due to the devastating loss of life, and the article has no major quality concerns other than being short at the moment (the material that is available is well-sourced)  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 21:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I've expanded it as best as I could from available sourcing right now. Also, could use some expert eyes on the Islamic culture as I've seen at least 3 different variations for how Husayn ibn Ali is referred to. --Masem (t) 21:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak Support Subject likely meets our customary standards for a blurb and the article looks adequate, if not great. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:12, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. Well referenced. Great work Masem. Ready to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 23:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - refs looks good. Good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 23:29, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose doesn't seem to be generating much news coverage. From what I'm seeing the most headlines are about Trump firing John Bolton, US extraction of a Russian spy, etc. This item is there if I search for it, but it's being drowned out otherwise. Banedon (talk) 02:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
    • ITN does not consider the relative weight of coverage of a story to others, as long as it is getting coverage. --Masem (t) 02:23, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
      • Is that what the significance criterion says now? Banedon (talk) 03:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
        • Being covered in the news is one of the criterion factor. But that does not assure inclusion because we are not a news ticker. It's why we rarely cover the antics happening in US politics despite that that news coverage may dominate the news, while we will generally focus on major disasters which have lasting impact. --Masem (t) 03:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
          • Well, the fact that this item is being drowned out by other items is an indication that it's not very significant (or has lasting impact, or is very interesting, etc), so I remain opposed. If anything if we believe the support votes right now who have touched on significance, it's past time to resurrect WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. Banedon (talk) 03:25, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
            • @Banedon: You have to realize that this happened in Iraq, not in Europe or the USA. Therefore, coverage would not be as great considering that you may come from a western country. -- BoothSift 05:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
              • @Boothsift: I also see a lot of headlines from the Hong Kong protests, plus headlines from Shinzo Abe's new cabinet. Neither of these places are in the Europe or the USA, invalidating that argument. Banedon (talk) 10:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
                • @Banedon: You're missing the point. Most of the news that you would see in the west are either deal with the west like Europe, Canada, and USA or areas that are well known, usually ones that are aligned or against western influence(Hong Kong and Japan are allies of the USA). Iraq, however, is in a region that most people in the west frankly don't care about. Not only is it not about politics nor economics (arguably the headlines of news these days, including your two counterexamples), but to be honest, nobody cares about what happens in Iraq. Iraq has little regard in the western world because it also has little impact, at least in the USA. I'm not saying that I'm against Iraq or the west, but this is the truth. -- BoothSift 02:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
                  • @Boothsift: What makes you think I'm in the West? But if I'm 1) not in the West and 2) still not seeing these headlines, how would that change your opinion? Banedon (talk) 02:40, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
                    • @Banedon: Then what country are you from? You sound like you're from the West. Also like I said, most of the world does not care about what happens in Iraq unless its politics. -- BoothSift 03:01, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
                      • @Boothsift: I'm not willing to say which country I'm from in a public forum. Also, if most of the world does not care what happens in Iraq unless it's politics, why are we posting this story most of the world does not care about on ITN? Banedon (talk) 04:14, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
                        • @Banedon: While most of the world certainly does not care, it still meets the requirements to be included. I do not wish to continue this conversation, thank you -- BoothSift 04:46, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Large death toll, article quality is fine. Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:59, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted SpencerT•C 04:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support, covered by Al-Jazeera, the BBC, The New York Times, DAWN, Sky, CNN, NPR, CBC, Evening Standard, Irish Times, The Independent, Xinhua, Fox News etc etc, that covers practically all the English-speaking globe and much more. Article is fine and well-expanded from when it was nominated. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:07, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

September 9Edit

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International relations

Law and crime
  • 2019 Samoa assassination plot
    • Three suspects appear in court in Apia, Samoa, where two of them enter not-guilty pleas and the other a guilty plea on charges of conspiracy to assassinate the Prime Minister of Samoa. The defendant who pleaded guilty is due to be sentenced on September 30. (RNZ)

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Robert FrankEdit

Article: Robert Frank (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC, The New Yorker, The New York Times, NPR, The Guardian

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Acc. to BBC one of the most influential photographers of the 20th Century. C Class article with good sourcing.Some patches need work though. fixed. DBigXray 16:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose the article is in good condition but there are at least half a dozen unreferenced statements/paras in there which need fixing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  Fixed more than half a dozen sources have been added to fix the problem pointed above.--DBigXray 12:30, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Support good work, good to go now. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support The article is of good quality and Frank is a hugely important figure in photography. Qono (talk) 13:56, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good to go.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 04:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lawrie CreamerEdit

Article: Lawrie Creamer (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Dominion Post

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. His death was announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:02, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Doesn’t seem to be in the news. Stephen 10:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Death is reported in the newspaper of the country's capital, references seem in order by spot check, incredible example of Nominative determinism. Let's get this on the front page.130.233.2.183 (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Article quality looks fine. --Jayron32 14:26, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support I know where Stephen is coming from, it's not massively reporting in mainstream news at all, but I guess we ought not to bias against poor old NZ. Article is good to go, and thanks to the IP for nominative determinism, I now realise that's why I'm called The Rambling Man. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:01, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted. Doesn't really matter whether it's in the news or not, does it, because the rules for RD are simply that the person is notable.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:51, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Marginal. Sca (talk) 15:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Danny FrawleyEdit

Article: Danny Frawley (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): News Au

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good now excellent sourcing DBigXray 08:32, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

I have added the archive url for the dead source. Will work on improving the sourcing. --DBigXray 08:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  Fixed The sourcing issues have all been fixed. --DBigXray 15:32, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. Good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:56, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 01:06, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Good work on Spud's article guys. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) War in Afghanistan (2001–present)Edit

This won't be passing. starship.paint (talk) 12:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: War in Afghanistan (2001–present) (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Donald Trump calls off peace talks and canceled a meeting in Camp David with Taliban after a Taliban suicide bombing killing 11 people including a US Solider in Kabul
News source(s): CNN ,Fox News The Guardian
Nominator's comments: Major news ,event and clearly crucial in the Afghan Civil War.Note the suicide bombing refered to is the September 2019 Kabul bombingsPharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:09, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Minor roadbump in this thing. There's questions if there was actually ever going to be a meeting (as this came out of nowhere), and it wasn't like a meeting to make peace from what is implied. The attack is standard for the area. --Masem (t) 05:16, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Hypothetical meeting does not occur just can't be news130.233.2.183 (talk) 08:28, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose no meeting happened here. --DBigXray 08:40, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose the status quo remains unchanged. Nothing to see here. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:50, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose and suggest speedy close. 'Meeting doesn't happen' does not reach ITN levels of significance, and there's nothing in the article about this minor development. Modest Genius talk 10:24, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Although the Orange One would love for us to believe otherwise, merely appearing to be on the path -- if only very briefly -- to doing something notable does not actually equal doing something notable.--WaltCip (talk) 12:24, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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US OpenEdit

Article: 2019 US Open (tennis) (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In tennis, Bianca Andreescu wins the Women's Singles and Rafael Nadal wins the Men's Singles of the US Open.

Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: ITNR. Men's champion is currently being decided. Andreescu was also the first Canadian and first player born in the 2000s to win a grand slam, if we wanted to mention that. PlasmaTwa2 00:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose Needs more citations and more prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:26, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Muboshgu. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:51, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Not ready. The article is just a massive dump of data tables with very little prose, and what's there is poorly referenced. The same is true of the related articles on the mens' and womens' singles. This seems to be a recurrent problem with tennis nominations. There needs to be a fully-referenced prose summary of the tournament before we can consider posting this. Modest Genius talk 10:28, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

September 8Edit

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Business and economy

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(Posted) RD: Ram JethmalaniEdit

Article: Ram Jethmalani (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Times of India

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Nominator's comments: Former Indian minister , lawyer Ram Jethmalani has died. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:03, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment: He's still incumbent even though he died? NoahTalk 04:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
User:Hurricane Noah your concern seems to be fixed already, please post on the article page if not.--DBigXray 05:45, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support I have fixed the referencing issues and added myself to the nomination. --DBigXray 05:45, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support I Agree to nominate it. Abishe 06:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 08:20, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: Needs copyediting. "Jethmalani was married at an age of little above 18...", "...with a first class first at the young age of 17", "He was also a member of International Bar Association 1996", etc. Not thrilled with the bulleted list in the middle, but I'm not sure if there's a better way to have that in the article. SpencerT•C 03:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
@Spencer: The issues with regards to copy-editing stand fixed per my edits. With regards to the prose v. list, I am in favour of the former. The bulleted list does look quite off. Looking forward to hear from you, User:DBigXray. I say we go for the prose. --Tamravidhir (talk) 07:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  Fixed issues pointed by @Spencer: above. User:Tamravidhir please proceed and make the list prose.--DBigXray 07:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Camilo SestoEdit

Article: Camilo Sesto (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): CNN

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Nominator's comments: One of the greatest ever singers in Spain. His death has been reported by news also in American continent (CNN, The New York Times, MSN, etc). Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:53, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Comment Just got home from work. I will help on improving the article as well. Erick (talk) 22:21, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose sources required. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:55, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Comment Sources required? Check better the article and you will see it's very well referenced.Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
      • A cursory look shows a lot of Youtube videos and a homemade presentation on Prezi among the sources cited in the article; not sure if that's what TRM is referring to, but is something that could use some attention in the article. SpencerT•C 18:19, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
        • I'm still working on the article, but I don't have the time today to continue. I'll either do it tomorrow or Thursday as I'm off work that day. Erick (talk) 03:48, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Chris DobsonEdit

Article: Chris Dobson (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [1]

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Nominator's comments: Master of St John's College, Cambridge. Holds a Royal Society fellowship, Heineken Prize, and knighthood. The list of other acccolades may need pruning and/or prosing but is adequately sourced. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 16:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

September 7Edit

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(Closed) RD: Robert AxelrodEdit

Stale. SpencerT•C 04:23, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Robert Axelrod (actor) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): THR

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Notable voice actor. Unfortunately on the short side and needs role sourcing. Masem (t) 21:37, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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(Closed) Oldest motherEdit

Closed per the opposition. NoahTalk 14:11, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Erramatti Mangamma (talk, history)
Blurb: Erramatti Mangamma becomes the world's oldest mother, giving birth at age 74
News source(s): See article

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The article is the update. Banedon (talk) 01:27, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose, but this is clearly a potential DYK if the article can get to length. --Masem (t) 01:29, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment the blurb needs to be modified in that there are still mothers at 74 alive. She is the oldest at 74 to give birth though. Sir Joseph (talk) 01:56, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem. Would work as a "Did you know", though. Otherwise it's not newsworthy. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 02:40, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem. Hrodvarsson (talk) 03:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose certainly interesting, but it's best suited for the DYK section per the above comments.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 03:41, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I thank for nominating this article. But I also feel that the article can be nominated to DYK instead of ITN section as what above users ponder. Abishe 05:56, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is unfortunately trivia in all respects. No significance; zero impact. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:04, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - enough for inclusion but not at ITN.BabbaQ (talk) 08:21, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Withdrawn) Papua protests: removalEdit

Withdrawn as nominator. SpencerT•C 03:39, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: 2019 Papua protests (talk, history)
Ongoing item removal
Nominator's comments: No significant updates to the article for the past 5 days. Most recent coverage in 2019_Papua_protests#September is from 2 Sept. SpencerT•C 23:36, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 23:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment While the article could use some updates at this time, a quick search for news on the protests shows that a lot of developments have occurred which should be added to the article. I'll try my best to add some new information today.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 00:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now Per Vanilla, the article certainly needs some updating. -- BoothSift 17:59, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now - since my most recent comment here, myself and others have added some more information about the events that took place on the 4th and 5th of September. If it goes an extended period of time without updates again, then we can remove it, but I would be surprised if new sources stop coming out; the situation has only been escalating due to Indonesia's increasingly militant approach to the situation, so it's probable that we'll have more information to add before it gets stale.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 02:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the update, and sounds fair. Withdrawing. SpencerT•C 03:39, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) Amazon rainforest wildfiresEdit

No consensus. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: 2019 Amazon rainforest wildfires (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination
News source(s): Time CBS

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Wildfires continue to occur and the event continues to be major news in newspapers around the world. MSN12102001 (talk) 15:36, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose I know as I've been a major editor on that article that there's no much updating going on. They are still going on, yes, but it was a couple weeks of intensive coverage right before G7 and at this point, attention has died down. (A fact to keep in mind is that these fires happen every year, it was the major uptick this year that drew eyes). --Masem (t) 16:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem. Ongoing is for events that are heavily in the news, and facing fresh updates on a regular basis. This was big headlines a couple of weeks ago, mainly because of the unexpectedly high count, but it's now back to the normal coverage you'd expect in this season.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:23, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose If we place it in the "Ongoing events" we'll have to place it every single year since every single year there are wildfires in Amazon.--SirEdimon (talk) 00:20, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support per above. 95.93.184.195 (talk) 18:02, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support It is still main news in Brazil and appears every day in newspapers around the world. 87.196.72.116 (talk) 21:05, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Withdrawn) Hurricane DorianEdit

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Articles: Hurricane Dorian (talk, history) and Effects of Hurricane Dorian in The Bahamas (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination
News source(s): bbc

Article updated
Nominator's comments: we have a humanitarian crisis in the Bahamas with hundreds to thousands missing and possibly hundreds dead. Not to mention the hurricane force Canada landfall later today. I ask for ongoing since this will get dropped soon. NoahTalk 16:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support on the humanitarian crisis in the Bahamas. (Note, I did suggest Noah to renom now with Dorian about to fall off). --Masem (t) 16:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. The extent of the devastation in Bahamas is only now becoming clear, and there will be an extended relief and recovery period. Effects of Hurricane Dorian in The Bahamas is a better target article, but I have no particular preference. It is still possible that the effects of Dorian on North Carolina will be significant. Plus the 'Alabama' controversy is refusing to die down. Nsk92 (talk) 16:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
@Nsk92: Plus Dorian is making landfall in Nova Scotia as either a hurricane or hurricane-force extra tropical storm. That’s partly why I added both articles. NoahTalk 16:33, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support but maybe we should change the text. Something like: Hurricane Dorian continues to make landfall in North Carolina and Nova Scotia, as well as the unimaginable destruction and deaths in the Bahamas. --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 10:50, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
@RoyGoldsmith: The storm is going for ongoing due to the humanitarian crisis and is about to get bumped off ITN altogether. NoahTalk 13:47, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Chester WilliamsEdit

Article: Chester Williams (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC

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Nominator's comments: I've added referencing for what's there so think this is OK to go. Currently start class.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:57, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Support looks good enough. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Article is good shape. – LefcentrerightTalk 08:57, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 09:10, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 18:22, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 00:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Chandrayaan-2Edit

Article: Chandrayaan-2 (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Indian Space Research Organisation loses contact with Chandrayaan-2's Vikram lunar lander approximately 2.1 kilometres (1.3 mi) above the Moon's surface.
News source(s): NYTimes

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: So we did post Beresheet when it failed to land on the moon earlier this year, so this would seem to be equivalent (note: not an ITNR, as was not Beresheet). Right now, we don't know the fate - they lose communications in the critical period when it was in the final decent and the expectation is that it crashed without the necessary control, but it could be a communications equipment failure they can't immediately resolve. Either way - successful or not -this would seem reasonable to post, but we may need to wait until the ISRO calls it. Masem (t) 22:36, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

  • This is ITNR because it reached its destination(if unsuccessfully, it seems). 331dot (talk) 22:56, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
    • We had that question at Beresheet - it was ultimately marked NOT ITNR when archived, hence why I left it off here. Regardless still think it is valid to post as a non-ITNR on its own. --Masem (t) 22:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support pending update to the body of the article (not just introduction). While not the result that the Indian space program was looking for, the mission is an important step in Indian space capabilities. Article overall is in solid condition and is well-referenced. SpencerT•C 23:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support – We have an update to the body completed. There are some minor {{cn}} but this is not a BLP. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 06:23, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Was just coming to add that I fleshed out the body and also added some reaction/importance of the mission too. --Masem (t) 06:24, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment why is this marked as ITNR? I thought it was a lunar lander, not a lunar probe? It didn't reach its destination. Which clause of ITNR covers this? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:43, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
    Arrival of probes (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations. Success or failure, it has arrived. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:06, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
    As I said, it's not a probe, it's a lunar lander. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:16, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
    Well, it was not designed to be a probe at least..Anyways, if I had to guess on interpreting that section of ITNR, I would say that a soft-landing would be rarer/harder than a hard landing, so the intent was to include both impacters and landers with that bullet point. I'm assuming 'arrival' didn't intend to mean 'probably crash land', but that's my take on the ITNR portion of this. Kees08 (Talk) 07:30, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
    The orbiter reached its destination, and is apparently still functional. TompaDompa (talk) 08:21, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support after an official statement comes out on the likely outcome of the mission (it probably crashed, but we can hold out hope). An alt blurb would be needed in that case. If they take a couple days to publicly state the outcome of the mission my mind can be changed to the current blurb. Kees08 (Talk) 07:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • This is not ITNR as that covers only "lunar probes." I've removed the tag, though that does not mean this cannot be posted, just it's not ITNR – Ammarpad (talk) 07:35, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • The lander was not just supposed to land and be done with it. It was going to deploy a rover and take scientific measurements. That, combined with the vehicle itself, would seem to meet the definition of a probe and as such I still contend this is ITNR. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support per above MSN12102001 (talk) 12:28, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support per above - Sherenk1 (talk) 14:14, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 14:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment Contact to the lander was lost 400m above surface, not 2.1km above [2]. Could someone please update the text? Thanks! Tkarcher (talk) 14:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Chris DuncanEdit

Article: Chris Duncan (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): USA Today

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Nominator's comments: Start Class article. Needs someone familiar with baseball for cleanup/sourcing. DBigXray 05:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Abdul Qadir (cricketer)Edit

Article: Abdul Qadir (cricketer) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): AP

Article updated

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(Posted) RD: Carol LynleyEdit

Article: Carol Lynley (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The New York Times Variety

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good now excellent sourcing. Filmography needs work has been improved. Death announced on 6 September. DBigXray 13:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Death of Robert MugabeEdit

Article: Robert Mugabe (talk, history)
Blurb: Robert Mugabe, the former President of Zimbabwe, dies at the age of 95.
News source(s): BBC News

 SounderBruce 05:12, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Support blurb You beat me to it. For better or for worse he turned Rhodesia into Zimbabwe and transformed the nation for over 30 years. GA article. EternalNomad (talk) 05:17, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support blurb per EternalNomad. Banedon (talk) 05:20, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support blurb per above. Davey2116 (talk) 05:23, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support blurb No question that article is thoroughly sourced, and even as just a former major world leader is good for a blurb, but even moreso for what he did. Image has been added to protection queue. --Masem (t) 05:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) Support Mugabe was one of the most controversial (I'm being restrained there) figures in post-colonial African history. The article is GA and solidly referenced. The section on his death needs expansion, and there may be a few areas that will need changes in tense but I'm not seeing anything that is likely to require a lot of work before posting this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:44, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Of course per others-- BoothSift 05:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • RD only Mjroots (talk) 05:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support blurb He was one of the most controversial political figures in Sub-Saharan Africa. Furthermore, his article has been listed as a good article. ―Susmuffin Talk 06:15, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support blurb per others. Daniel Case (talk) 06:18, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support blurb - top of the field for Zimbabweans. starship.paint (talk) 06:21, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support blurb internationally renowned personality. --DBigXray 06:24, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support to the tune of that White Stripes song - "Oh, Robert Mugabe..." Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 06:25, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posting, strong consensus for a blurb. Please start the process for updating the photo. --Tone 06:39, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I am late to this party. :) – Ammarpad (talk) 07:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support blurb but PLEASE FIX THE PHOTO NOW!!!!! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support blurb - I'm late, but I'm very happy to see how uncontroversial this recent death blurb was.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 21:13, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Francisco ToledoEdit

Article: Francisco Toledo (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/06/arts/design/francisco-toledo-dead.html

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Nominator's comments: Celebrated Mexican artist, died on Thursday, with high-profile coverage of his death in Mexican & U.S. news media Valley17 (talk) 22:37, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

  • @Valley17: Oppose as it is heavily unsourced and mainly incomplete for an ITN. NoahTalk 22:39, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
@Hurricane Noah: I've fixed the existing sourcing issues and expanded the page throughout to include more about his career, hopefully this helps it meet the standard for ITN Valley17 (talk) 01:58, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Support now as it looks much better. NoahTalk 02:10, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Two citations needed in the lede but otherwise OK to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:59, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Citations for the lede have been added Valley17 (talk) 19:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Support - good work, thanks.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:55, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 00:45, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Abid Ali (actor)Edit

Stale. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:34, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Abid Ali (actor) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The News

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: You are welcome to cut the un-referenced selected television & filmography if that happens to be the only thing preventing this from getting posted. Solo Samaritan (talk) 11:39, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Unfortunately, it's not just unreferenced sections, but the lack of depth of coverage into Ali's career that will also prevent this from being posted. Needs more prose expansion. SpencerT•C 22:06, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) RD: Chris MarchEdit

Stale. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:34, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Chris March (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): THR

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Fashion design that gained fame from being on Project Runway. On the short side but at least mostly sourced. Masem (t) 06:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Still has some unsourced sentences now starship.paint (talk) 02:58, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Kiran NagarkarEdit

Article: Kiran Nagarkar (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Hindu

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with excellent sourcing. DBigXray 14:08, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Great Oxidation EventEdit

No consensus will emerge to post this, particularly with no update to the target article once again. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:32, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Great Oxidation Event (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Almost 100% of all life on Earth was wiped out 2 billion years ago
News source(s): CNN

Article updated
 Count Iblis (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not really a current event at all, and the article hasn't had a major update in awhile -mike_gigs (talk) 11:52, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Stale by about 2 billion years.--WaltCip (talk) 12:08, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - A shark is the only fish that can blink with both eyes.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:18, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose At best this is an unconfirmed theory that has made its way into the news through pop science. The media is famous for reporting the initial results of scientific studies, but not for the rebuttals that disprove those studies later. At worst, it's not a current event and therefore not relevant to "in the news" even if it ends up being true. DYK might be a better place for this. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:24, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) Hurricane DorianEdit

Will just wait and see. NoahTalk 14:19, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Hurricane Dorian (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination
News source(s): nbc NHC

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Hurricane Dorian has been impacting several different regions and is likely to be a significant storm for several more days as it moves up the coast. As a result, I would like to request this be moved to the ongoing section. NoahTalk 02:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)±
  • Comment It's already on the Main page, having been posted on September 1. HiLo48 (talk) 02:25, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment And it is unlikely to scroll off over the next two days (when the expected threat will be to the US coast) - we can update if/when it causes damage there. --Masem (t) 02:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
It will likely be rolled off or expire and be removed (one week = rolled off) while still significant. I don't think an actual blurb can adequately summarize all that has happened and will happen since this is a significant storm in many ways. The impacted area of this storm is simply huge and too much to really discuss in a blurb. This has a decent chance to make landfall in Canada as a hurricane (if not that then as a hurricane-force extratropical system). Even if it doesn't, it will still bring hurricane and TS winds to most or all of the eastern coast for multiple days. The main issue I see here is this is an ongoing event rather than something that is done and over with. This is unusual in the regard that most hurricanes only get blurbs once they are dissipated. The fact this is and will have a significant impact for several days is why I am requesting the move to ongoing. NoahTalk 02:34, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Iff it makes landfall into Canada, we can IAR and manually push the blurb date up. What is important is that we rarely keep natural disasters in the ongoing as the coverage of the disaster recovery can take weeks to years. --Masem (t) 02:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
The article simply needs to be kept up to date in order for it to remain on the ongoing. It will likely not remain updated for weeks. Once the updating and news coverage dies down, it could be removed. The issue I have is the storm requiring multiple blurbs and constant updating as it causes damage in new areas. There is already a significant list of impacted areas. NoahTalk 02:50, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
A detailed listing of impacted areas in the blurb would be inappropriate. Perhaps wording such as "the Caribbean and the eastern coast of the United States" would be better and more stable. HiLo48 (talk) 02:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
First, the next 24hr will tell us if we need to update the blurb for the US to see how it scraps the coast and damage it did. (It scraped Florida and did nearly nothing to be reported -- hopefully that will be the same in the Carolinas. But if it did, we'd update the current blurb and likely move it up to 9/5. Then, if the storm continued and landfell in Canada (a rarity) and did significant damage, we can update yet again. But after the storm disappaites to a tropical storm or less, we no longer consider that in the news, even though we know in newspapers they will be covering the damage for weeks. In other words, we don't put things like hurricans to ongoing, but simply update and re-stamp the blurb. --Masem (t) 03:04, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
As far as I am aware, we have had multiple deaths in both of those states. We did post Cyclone Idai to ongoing earlier this year, so such a thing has been done in the past. If not, a more stable wording would be required. NoahTalk 03:08, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Two dudes accidentally fell off ladders before the storm. That's not natural disaster impact. Just bad luck, gravity and maybe dizziness. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:52, September 5, 2019 (UTC)
Let us see how much damage Hurricane Dorian will do in the USA and maybe but unlikely Canada. As per above, two people falling off ladders is not a result of the hurricane. -- BoothSift 06:23, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
When Idai fell off the topic list, it was made ongoing because there was still a huge humanitarian crisis, at that point, 15,000 still missing and rising flood waters. Now, I'm not saying that we're not going to have potential issues in the States, but I've never seen a hurricane cost that many lives in a first world country. I'm not saying it can't get worse, but that's why it is better to wait to see if the storm is still threatening in the next day or so, as right now, it is not in any danger of being stale from ITN. --Masem (t) 04:19, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - As soon as the current blurb ”falls away”.BabbaQ (talk) 12:36, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose We'd need at least 2 and possibly 3 blurbs to bump this, and there is currently only one active blurb nom (which has a forecast for SNOW). GreatCaesarsGhost 13:19, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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Conte CabinetEdit

Article: Conte II Cabinet (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte forms a new government.
Alternative blurb: ​Following Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte's resignation on 20 August, Conte forms a new government and is reappointed as Prime Minister.
News source(s): (The Guardian), BBC, AP

Nominator's comments: We passed over all the other stuff about Conte being outed. I think we should at least put the end note of the current crisis in. I have no faith that this will last until Christmas, but that would be WP:CrystalRockphed (talk) 12:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

  • I've gone back and forth on this...I'm leaning support because this is a significant change in the political direction of the country, right? That they kept the same PM is almost beside the point. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:31, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, they swapped a center/center right coalition for a center/center left/left wing coalition. I feel like some of that should be in the blurb, but I couldn't think of any way to elegantly state it. Rockphed (talk) 12:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support – This is the moment we've been waiting for since last week. Note that BBC says "Italy's new populist-centre left government has been appointed."Sca (talk) 13:47, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Based on previous nom when this was getting into motion. Article is fine. Blurb could explain a bit more about why this came about as an out-of-process leadership change. --Masem (t) 14:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose all the latter sections of the article are unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Not so at this point, but I'd rather see Eng.-lang. references than Italian, this being the English-language Wiki. There are plenty of sources in English. – Sca (talk) 14:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Getting stale. – Sca (talk) 15:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Stale. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 13:25, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, too late now. But note that today is the day the government should be confirmed in the Parliament, so it could still count as recent. However thanks for your suggestions, I added more English-language sources. --Ritchie92 (talk) 13:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
I imagine parliamentary confirmation will be a procedural footnote. Too bad, as politically this coalition was quite significant. – Sca (talk) 15:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
It is more recent than Hurricane Dorian and the boat fire.Rockphed (talk) 19:32, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
That doesn't make it fresh. – Sca (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment – But hey, maybe this does: "Italy's Conte pledges new start, wins confidence vote in parliament." Story quotes him promising "a new era of reforms" and to work constructively with the European Union. If we had a good update, I'd support. – Sca (talk) 20:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Tomorrow there is the final vote in the Senate (today it won the support of the lower house already), so that might be a good occasion because it will be officially in full power. --Ritchie92 (talk) 23:11, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
It's done. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Roger EtchegarayEdit

Article: Roger Etchegaray (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): La Croix

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good sourcing DBigXray 14:28, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

  Fixed Bmclaughlin9 has done some great work in sourcing this article. The Rambling Man requesting a fresh review.--DBigXray 14:09, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. There’s no tag anymore. I’ve added 6 citations from 4 sources. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 13:04, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 00:40, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks User:Stephen can someone post the credits? --DBigXray 03:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  Done by Stephen.--DBigXray 05:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Blanca Fernández OchoaEdit

Stale. SpencerT•C 01:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Blanca Fernández Ochoa (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC

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(Closed) RD: Peter EllisEdit

Stale. SpencerT•C 01:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Peter Ellis (childcare worker) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): "Convicted Civic Creche sex abuser Peter Ellis dies while appealing conviction". Stuff.co.nz. 4 September 2019. Retrieved 4 September 2019.

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: New Zealand's most high-profile case for a suspected wrongful conviction Schwede66 19:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Peter LindberghEdit

Article: Peter Lindbergh (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Time , CNN

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: C Class article with good sourcing DBigXray 13:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose inadequate lead and too many unreferenced claims. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
    please look again, I wrote some lead, and added references, adding myself to updaters. No idea why I have to write a lead, when there are people who know the article and English better ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • There is still some unreferenced info... at a glance: Pedro Almodóvar's movie poster for Talk To Her (2002) ... ; Tina Turner's singles "The Best" (1989), "I Don't Wanna Lose You" (1989), and "Foreign Affair" (1990), albums Foreign Affair (1989) and Wildest Dreams (1996), and directed the videoclip for Turner's single "Missing You"; Sheryl Crow's The Globe Sessions (1998) and "My Favorite Mistake" (1998); Lionel Ritchie's Time (1998) album; Beyoncé's I am... Sasha Fierce (2008) and I Am... World Tour promotional pictures; Mika's No Place In Heaven (2015) starship.paint (talk) 01:37, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
    I added a ref and commented some details out. Will try to return them with refs, but this great person really should be honoured soon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
    100k views over the last 2 days, - seems a shame not to name him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
    And now?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Now seems ready to go. --Masem (t) 18:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 22:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: José de Jesús Pimiento RodríguezEdit

Article: José de Jesús Pimiento Rodríguez (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination

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Nominator's comments: Oldest cardinal in the world (100 years old) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 12:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Brexit negotiationsEdit

Withdrawn. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:11, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Brexit negotiations (talk, history)
Ongoing item removal
News source(s): [3]
Nominator's comments: There are no ongoing Brexit negotiations. Wakari07 (talk) 22:26, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - The Brexit ongoing item covers this. No need for two Brexit-related ongoing items.--WaltCip (talk) 22:32, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
The negotiations ended on 25 November 2018. [4]. Wakari07 (talk) 22:36, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment Apparently this nom aims to remove Brexit from ongoing. Especially strange because Brexit was all over the news today, even here in the U.S. Davey2116 (talk) 22:46, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose removal I'm seeing lots of new updates. Boris has to call for an election? We're not removing this yet, I can predict that. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:06, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment - Please ignore or delete this nomination, as I confused with the ongoing events sidebar. Thank you. Wakari07 (talk) 23:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2018–19 Korean peace processEdit

Withdrawn. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:12, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: 2018–19 Korean peace process (talk, history)
Ongoing item removal
News source(s): [5] [6]
Nominator's comments: Korean peace talks are over since 16 August. Wakari07 (talk) 22:48, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait, what? Korean peace process isn't even listed in Ongoing, please take a look at the actual Ongoing section before making a nomination to remove something @Wakari07:-- BoothSift 22:53, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I'm confused, mixing up with ongoing events in the sidebar. Sorry. Can someone delete this? Wakari07 (talk) 22:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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September 2Edit

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(Posted) RD: Sergei KirpichenkoEdit

Article: Sergei Kirpichenko (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Washington Post

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former ambassador of Russia to UAE, Syria, Libya, incumbent ambassador to Egypt at time of death. Spokoyni (talk) 19:23, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Aye, the red. In my eyes, telling the readers three of a man's four jobs and most who held them aren't notable suggests he's similar, despite his article existing. And pretty much the only source, ostensibly independent from the Kremlin, is Sputnik, which could normally seem unsatisfactory. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:46, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
Red links don't indicate non-notability, especially non-English-based articles. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:00, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Sourcing still seems too primary, in any language. Creation date suggests nobody here had heard of him during his career. Few mainpagers should likely care to know someone like that died. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:07, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
That's a ridiculous argument. A lot of people (such as me) are interested in Russian history and politics (as well as those of other non-English speaking countries) but are unable to write articles about them due to the lack of language skills. I'm grateful for editors like Spokoyni who've done a lot to address this deficiency. -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
To be clear, the language of origin isn't part of the problem or my argument. I'm also grateful for native speakers and machine translation, we live in an interesting world. It'd bug me to see a posthumously-created Englishman bio without significant secondary coverage featured on a site where nobody had read he was ever alive, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:31, September 5, 2019 (UTC)
While scanning for potential DYK hooks, I found only two active accomplishments: studying in Moscow and learning three languages. Call me crazy, but shouldn't a quality article about a notable diplomat give a little information on what he did to stay appointed and occupied for so long, or why he received awards? Needs more action, on top of the rest (except the redlinks, I've grown fond of those in principle now). InedibleHulk (talk) 07:14, September 5, 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - article is fully sourced. Red links are not an issue as long as they conform to WP:REDYES. Numerous notable Russian topics lack en articles, which is a problem for en-wiki as a whole, not an issue for this article. -Zanhe (talk) 00:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - redlinks are fine. starship.paint (talk) 01:11, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Looks ok.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:21, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 06:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 18:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mary MaEdit

Article: Mary Ma (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): SCMP, Caixin

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: CFO of Lenovo who orchestrated the acquisition of IBM's PC division. Named by Forbes as the 57th most powerful woman of the world. She died on 31 August, but it was reported on 2 September. Zanhe (talk) 05:26, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

..And while the admin is at it, he should also look at Aug 29s Jim Langer for posting.--DBigXray 15:07, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Sinking of MV ConceptionEdit

Article: Sinking of MV Conception (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least twenty-five people are killed and nine are missing following a fire aboard a charter boat near Santa Cruz Island in California.
News source(s): LA Times, BBC

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Major boating incident, with troubling concerns that all of the cre got off safe but most of the passengers unaccounted for. Article unfortunately is far too short presently to include, but is getting ITN-appropriate coverage to be expanded. Masem (t) 02:52, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Note the death count is now at 25 confirmed dead, and the remaining 9 missing are also expected to be dead. Regarding my vote, the article is too short as of right now, but I imagine the sources needed to expand the article are being written up by the newspapers as I type this. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:13, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment This needs to be thoroughly fleshed out before posting. Otherwise, it reads like "sailing holiday revelers die in accident" which is both mundane not at all what happened.130.233.2.183 (talk) 09:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose although mildly surprising that it remains a micro-stub. An unusual accident in a developed country. Needs serious expansion before could be considered suitable for the main page. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support that this would happen in a country like the US is unheard of. --Rockstonetalk to me! 17:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support once we get the article up to shape. I honestly don't think there's been this many deaths from a ship fire in US littoral waters since the Morro Castle. Daniel Case (talk) 17:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now. Article is stub length. If it becomes long enough in the next few days, I can re-evaluate it, but as of right now, we cannot put such an article on the main page; it would contain no more useful information than the blurb would. --Jayron32 18:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Post-posting support Article has been sufficiently expanded since I last made comments. Looks good! --Jayron32 14:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Notability is pretty firm with that many causalities. I think the article is now long enough. Teemu08 (talk) 18:20, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support on notability but I think the article could use a little more work, which unfortunately I don't have time for at the moment. Even though the search efforts were just suspended, this will likely be a big news story for a bit while an investigation is launched into the cause and the wreckage is searched. ZettaComposer (talk) 18:37, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Article looks much better now. Fully support with thanks to Masem and Leaky.Solar for their work. ZettaComposer (talk) 19:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment The article has been reasonably expanded since I nominated (and I've added a bit more). However, I cannot see much further expansion until a full investigation has been done as to determine the cause and downstream effects. It should be ready for ITN posting now. --Masem (t) 19:26, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posting. --Tone 20:29, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • We have a photo released by the local Calif. sherrif's office of the ship on fire (mostly dark so not like horrific). Placed into the image protection queue. --Masem (t) 00:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Papua protestsEdit

Article: 2019 Papua protests (talk, history)
Ongoing item removal

Nominator's comments: Appears to have cooled down - media is presently reporting the aftermath Juxlos (talk) 06:37, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose - Can OP provide a source contradicting today's current events? Indonesia announced that additional curbs on the freedom of assembly and expression are in place + they just sent 6,000 extra troops to the region. Also maybe only "appears" to have cooled down because of ongoing Internet censorship. Wakari07 (talk) 12:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Sending in the troops and suspending civil liberties worked as a wet blanket long before the Internet. If anything, the Internet makes quashed rebellions and oppressed people appear hotter than they are. If the actual mob is piping down and dispersing, the real party's over. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:53, September 3, 2019 (UTC)
Again, that's an "if". Why would there be Calls to end violence in West Papua reported today, if the violence has ended? If anything, journalists reporting Papua unrest struggle to deliver news amid internet blackout. Wakari07 (talk) 22:13, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Why would a reporter mention increasing violence when Taylor's statement doesn't? I'd be wary of spreading fake news, too, if I was calming unrest. Let it burn out, I still say. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:36, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
  • Support blurb and removal from ongoing Per my comment below on the original nom. SpencerT•C 15:55, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support blurb and removal from ongoing - Important enough for includion at ITN.BabbaQ (talk) 00:04, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose removal Article is still being actively updated with current events. No need for a blurb, there's already a link directing people to the article. I'm fine with it as it is. If it ever stops being updated with current events, we can discuss removing it. --Jayron32 01:07, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • If we post a blurb, which one? --Tone 08:05, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb, seems to have gone stale. Abductive (reasoning) 19:17, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
As of today, Papuan independence protests continue after alleged shooting of three students What is your source? Wakari07 (talk) 21:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
"Stale" is a term used here on ITN/N to indicate that the event's blurb would have dropped off the bottom of ITN already had it been posted in a timely manner. Abductive (reasoning) 17:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Leave it where it's: Ongoing section. Nothing more is needed here. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

September 1Edit

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(Posted) Hurricane DorianEdit

Article: Hurricane Dorian (talk, history)
Blurb: Hurricane Dorian (pictured as of Sept. 1) makes landfall in the Bahamas tying the Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 for highest wind at a Western Hemisphere landfall on record.
News source(s): NBC

Article updated

Nominator's comments: It has only landed and we have no indicaton of damage, but Cat5s rarely make landfall and have minimal effect. Plus it is expected to continue onto hit the eastern US seaboard soon. Masem (t) 17:54, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Support. Well referenced. Good to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Strong support. Historic. 184.151.230.135 (talk) 19:00, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. Good-looking article and being covered almost everywhere. Spengouli (talk) 19:57, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 20:07, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb as proposed. I would wait until we get some view of the impact of the hurricane rather than just highlight it tying with some other hurricane (and honestly, it's extremely unlikely that the wind speeds of this hurricane and those in the 1935 event are identical). The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:10, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Dorian is in fact tied with the 1935 Labor Day hurricane for the most intense wind speeds at landfall: 185 miles per hour. Whether or not they're exactly identical isn't relevant when assessing tropical cyclone records, as we're using the rounded 1-minute sustained wind speed (as that is what the national hurricane center does).  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 20:27, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - Dorian has already made several landfalls across the Caribbean islands, but for it to actually make landfall at wind speeds stronger than that of even Hurricane Irma is exceptional beyond words.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 20:21, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Hurricane Dorian is truly historic -- BoothSift 20:23, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support inclusion. No good reason not to include this hurricane as a major event and as matching the record for highest winds with a landfalling Atlantic hurricane on record. As for The Rambling Man's comment, official tropical cyclone winds are rounded off in fives. Master of Time (talk) 20:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Posting, feel free to adjust the blurb. --Tone 20:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Tone—Image? Abequinn14 (talk) 20:51, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Was not in the image prot queue. It's added now, but waiting for the bot to do its work. --Masem (t) 21:23, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Image now up. --Masem (t) 02:32, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Shouldn't the blurb read "landfall in the Bahamas" rather than "landfall on the Bahamas"? The Bahamas is not an island but a country; Dorian has made landfall on Great Abaco.  — TORTOISEWRATH 21:46, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
If wind and rain falls, hitting land without going through, that's falling "on". Earthquakes hit "in" these island country places. "At" could work, mapwise. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:00, September 2, 2019 (UTC)
I have to concur with TortoiseWrath and disagree with this suggestion. I can't say I've ever seen "makes landfall on" used, and every article I can find says "makes landfall in."  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 07:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Not a fan of AccuWeather, UPI and Free Republic, I assume. "They" tell it like it is today. But I don't mind "in"; still true, just in a political geography way, not geological. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:34, September 2, 2019 (UTC)
Storm surge: 20-25 feet above sea level "Robert Rohde (a.k.a. User:Dragons flight)
Replying to @TravisCC In the audio, he estimates the water as 20-25 feet above sea level. That is consistent with the forecast storm surge. :Unfortunately, large portions of the island would be under water at that point...". Count Iblis (talk) 15:40, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Hmmmm Count Iblis (talk) 16:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)