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August 2019 at Women in RedEdit

August 2019, Volume 5, Issue 7, Numbers 107, 108, 126, 129, 130, 131


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DYK for Pamela NadellEdit

 On 1 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pamela Nadell, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that American historian Pamela Nadell traced the origins of the first agitations for a female rabbi to a short story published in 1889? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pamela Nadell. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Pamela Nadell), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:01, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Writer's Barnstar
Your work at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Women and Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red is truly inspiring. Thank you for your amazing work on Wikipedia. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 04:53, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Opinion requestedEdit

Hello, I was wondering if you could give your informed opinion on Heida Reed and its suitability for AfD? I think it fails WP:NACTOR since her only major role in a notable production was in Poldark (2015 TV series), not multiple major roles. She's dabbled in a lot of stuff, but hasn't been in the industry that long and the lack of importance of her roles and the productions themselves seems like it's hard to make the case she has made "prolific" contributions to the field of entertainment. Could you please tell me what you think about this? I would just like to avoid trouble at AfD with an ill-suited nom. Thank you for any help you can provide! Newshunter12 (talk) 18:22, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Newshunter12: Hi, thanks for asking! I have added a few sources to the article - a bit more info could be added too. I would say it's borderline as far as WP:NACTOR is concerned (I would probably say weak keep, on that SNG). She had a major role in 4 seasons of an extremely popular show, and she has had a significant role in two other shows : Jo (TV series), which only ran for one series, and the Icelandic miniseries Stella Blómkvist, in which she plays the main role. That doesn't yet have a Wikipedia article, but that doesn't mean it's not notable.
Apart from that, there are lengthy profiles of her in The Stage, Herald Scotland, Express and WOW Magazine, as well as two Icelandic publications, Stundin and Eftir Vinnu. They all include interviews, but are not just interviews - they have paragraphs of information about her and her roles (I've added some info about her family, where she lived and went to school, etc). So I think it could easily be argued that she meets WP:GNG. I don't know that everyone would agree, of course, but I think there's a pretty strong case, myself. (I haven't actually googled using the name "Heida Reed" yet, just "Heiða Rún Sigurðardóttir", so may find more.) Hope that's useful! Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:13, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your insight and hard work on the article, RebeccaGreen! She seems more notable than I had believed at first, so I will not be nominating her article for deletion. A borderline case like this isn't worth everyone's time at AfD, with how likely a nom is to go sideways. I really appreciate your help and time spent on my request. It means a lot. Take care :) Newshunter12 (talk) 02:00, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Anna B. EcksteinEdit

 On 13 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Anna B. Eckstein, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Anna Eckstein (pictured) dressed in white and collected six million signatures to promote world peace before the First World War? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Anna B. Eckstein. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Anna B. Eckstein), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:02, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Fiona Hamilton-FairleyEdit

Hello RebeccaGreen. Just wanted to check about this award. What am I missing in the OBE announcement for this person? https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3294787 Thanks for your dilligence! Lightburst (talk) 12:00, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Doh! I see it in the small print. MBE! Thanks! Lightburst (talk) 12:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Lightburst, You've seen it anyway, but here is the answer I was typing at the same time as you! If you look at Order_of_the_British_Empire#Current_classes, you'll see that there are five classes of that order. From highest to lowest they are: Knight Grand Cross or Dame Grand Cross (GBE); Knight Commander or Dame Commander (KBE or DBE); Commander (CBE); Officer (OBE); Member (MBE). In the Gazette listing for Fiona Hamilton-Fairley, it says
"the following promotions in, and appointments to, the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire:
M.B.E.
To be Ordinary Members of the Civil Division of the said Most Excellent Order:
Fiona HAMILTON-FAIRLEY"
In other words, she was appointed to the lowest class of the order. At AfDs, the consensus is usually that OBE and above meets WP:ANYBIO and gives the holder presumed notability, but CBE and MBE don't. So in this case, the MBE does not meet WP:ANYBIO, but coverage of her, I think, is enough to meet WP:GNG or at least WP:BASIC "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability". I haven't found enough reviews of her books yet to say that she might meet WP:NAUTHOR. Hope that helps, RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:31, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

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Bold redirect without discussion after AfD The Kids' Cookery SchoolEdit

The editors had no discussion about this. Perhaps undo and discuss? Another editor has questions as do I. Lightburst (talk) 23:19, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I see the other interested editor voted in a different area. So we should go with your original merge. Thanks. Lightburst (talk) 03:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Mea culpaEdit

Hello! I saw the AfD for Caroline_Ford_(medical_researcher) was closed as keep, and I wanted to drop by to apologize! I asked a question about some sources, you delivered, and then the AfD totally slipped my mind. I just wanted to say thanks for posting those excerpts and for your excellent work cleaning up the article! Sorry for being unresponsive. Sadly I've not been able to spend as much time on the site this week as I would like. I hope all is well! Happy editing! Ajpolino (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

MaheshwariEdit

Hi, it is a violation of WP:BLP to connect an individual to a caste or tribal group unless they have self-identified as a member of that group. There is some background on this at User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. - Sitush (talk) 17:44, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sitush, I was not aware of that. I see that you are aware of the AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maheshwari. I would have voted Keep on the basis that it is used as a surname and place name as well, but unless there is more to be said about it as a caste, I don't know that I would vote keep when the information currently included could just as well be in a list of castes.
Do you then suggest starting another page for its use as a surname and in place names? As Pontificalibus said, there are many pages for names which are applied to people, places, etc. If there is a reason why its use as a surname should be kept completely separate from the page which explains that it is a caste, then I suggest that you create a page like French, which explains all the possible uses, and links to separate articles about each use. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:55, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I removed your changes before noticing your reply here. There is nothing wrong with creating a separate disambiguation page but, as Pontificalibus has shown, there are plenty of sources for them as a community. Mixing details of people and castes in one article just causes problems, and similarly there is a history of placenames in caste articles causing problems. Sorry for the hasty revert but I really do not think turning that specific title into a dab page is right. - Sitush (talk) 18:01, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
As you will see, I have so far just left a comment in the AfD. I would actually be inclined to vote to Merge it into Bania (caste), which is also a stub, and does not mention sub-castes at all, and I may still do that. I don't see the point of having lots of separate stubs which don't even link to each other. However, I know nothing about castes, or the history of articles about them in Wikipedia, so will not touch the article further. (PS - there is actually nothing in WP:BLP about caste, so it cannot be a violation of that policy.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:10, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for New Portuguese LettersEdit

 On 22 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article New Portuguese Letters, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when the Three Marias published New Portuguese Letters as a direct challenge to Portuguese censors, they were arrested and the book was banned, leading to international protests? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/New Portuguese Letters. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, New Portuguese Letters), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

PreciousEdit

women in culture and politics

Thank you for quality articles about women and their work, such as Lorna Dixon, May Hollinworth and New Portuguese Letters, for rescueing articles "time and time again", for help with (hook) wording, all with a focus on collaboration, for quoting "We can!", - Rebecca, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2273 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Gerda Arendt! I am honoured to receive this beautiful award :-) RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:36, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
You are welcome! It's beautiful, but comes from the cabal of the outcasts, continueing the work of a blocked user in the design of a banned user, - I hope you don't mind ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:45, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

New message from CyfrawEdit

Hello, RebeccaGreen. You have new messages at Cyfraw's talk page.
Message added 17:14, 25 August 2019 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

cyrfaw (talk) 17:14, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Second reply. --cyrfaw (talk) 18:26, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Jessie Coles GraysonEdit

 On 26 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jessie Coles Grayson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Jessie Grayson played Mrs. Higbee in Cass Timberlane, it was the first time an African-American had been addressed on screen by the honorific "Mrs."? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jessie Coles Grayson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jessie Coles Grayson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:02, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

September 2019 at Women in RedEdit

September 2019, Volume 5, Issue 9, Numbers 107, 108, 132, 133, 134, 135


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Deletion proceduresEdit

How can you say that a lack of sources is an invalid reason for deletion when an article can't be written unless there are sources? Articles come from sources. No sources, no articles. Explain it to me.
Vmavanti (talk) 16:31, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Refusing to discuss is against the rules. You have to be able to back your edits and your comments with reason. When editors have a bias against deletion, it's like fish having a bias against swimming.
Vmavanti (talk) 22:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Vmavanti, it's now 8 am where I live. You posted your earlier comment 6 hours ago, ie at approximately 2 am my time. Expecting others to answer immediately is not reasonable. I also do not appreciate your order to "Explain it to me", and prefer to give myself some time so that I can answer calmly. RebeccaGreen (talk) 22:34, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
In the deletion discussion, you stated your reasons as though they were oh so obvious. It was so obvious to everyone that I was wrong. Everyone but me. That discussion closed without my having a chance to respond. We're supposed to discuss. We're supposed to take as long as it takes. So, yeah, being cheated by time goes both ways, doesn't it? I know how that is. You think my tone is bad? Well, I didn't care much for the dismissive attitudes in that so-called discussion. The bias against deletion makes no sense to me. The prickliness and hostility make no sense to me. Nor do I understand why it is difficult for people on Wikipedia to answer simple, direct questions and to speak in plain English. This is my chance to learn something and your chance to educate me. You shouldn't have to spend much time pondering if my reasons for being wrong were obvious. I know what I'm doing. That's why it doesn't take me long to respond. I'm asking what ought to be a simple question given the previous exchange over deletion, if you could call it an exchange. Why can't a paucity of sources be used as a reason for deletion? Take your your time. I was unaware of the time zone difference.
Vmavanti (talk) 22:50, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Vmavanti, I thought that you were referring to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norbelis Lameda, but that deletion discussion is still open. Please could you tell me which discussion you're referring to? RebeccaGreen (talk) 23:27, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!Edit

  Thanks for supporting my recent albeit unsuccessful RfA. Your support was much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
You're welcome! Thank you, I love tea :-) RebeccaGreen (talk) 21:27, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Commenting in Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers sectionEdit

RebeccaGreen, I wanted to thank you for all the great work you've been doing in reviewing DYK nominations and in improving nominated articles, especially all the older ones.

I do have a request, though: when you cross off reviews and add comments (the comments are strictly optional, and almost no one adds them), please do not include a date with your sig (use three tildes for the name rather than four for name and date). The archive software won't archive until the oldest comment in a section is over seven days old, so each dated comment delays the archiving by at least a week.

These sections have long been designed to need replacing every seven to ten days, if reviewers have been active (and they have been of late); I've just posted a new list of 37 of which only 10 carried over from the previous list.

If you should happen to use a full sig in future, I'll just do what I've done tonight: post the new list, and let someone do a manual archive of the old one over the next day or three. But it's better when the bot archives on its own.

Thanks again, and sorry to bother you like this. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:00, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi BlueMoonset, thank you for letting me know! There are so many things to learn - I did not know that it was possible to sign with 3 tildes! As I am very new to DYK, I thought it would be useful to let others know who had crossed off items and why (some may need further reviews if the creators/nominators address issues), though I had noticed that others didn't sign. Thanks again! RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:08, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I remember when I was new at DYK and still learning new things even after months had passed. Three tildes is the user sig without the date, four tildes is the user sig with the date, and five tildes is the date without the user sig. Sometimes DYK noms appear and are struck on the old noms list three or more times waiting for review, reappearing either on a future list, or sometimes with the strikeout removed on the same list. A lot can change in a day or two at DYK, but sometimes they stay stagnant for far too long. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  Rescue Barnstar
Hi Rebecca, this is to acknowledge the amazing job you've been doing at DYK to rescue problematic nominations, add sources, and rewrite the text and hook. Your reviews are also right on the mark. Keep up the great work! Best, Yoninah (talk) 17:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Yoninah! I really appreciate your comments. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:54, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

http://www.thepeerage.comEdit

Sorry, this website is considered an unreliable reference by Wikipedia so can't be used to back up dates. Please use the original source quoted by that website for the date, like the ones listed here. Deb (talk) 11:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Anna B. EcksteinEdit

I can't find any mention of her birthdate in the source quoted:[1] I would be grateful if you could double-check. Deb (talk) 11:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

@Deb: I checked before adding the citation. Right column, second para from bottom, under the heading Bei der Stadtgemeinde: Geboren: .... 14 Juni eine Tochter, Bernhardine Anna, des Portiers und Hülfstelegrafisten bei der Werraeisenbahn Johann Nikolaus Eckstein. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I see it now. Deb (talk) 11:36, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Help with my re-submitted draft, if you have time!Edit

Hello RebeccaGreen. A few weeks ago (mid-June of this year) I submitted my draft article on American author Grace Dane Mazur for re-review, after revising it and expanding its sources. I noticed that you recently interacted with the draft page in some way - my Wikipedia skills are unfortunately too limited for me to discern what exactly this entailed - so I thought that perhaps you are interested in the article's topic and would be willing to offer me some advice. Is there anything that I can do to get my article re-reviewed, or any changes that I need to make to ensure that it represents a high-quality submission? For the past few months I've been checking, each time I finish reading a book, to see if its author has a Wikipedia page, and Mazur is the first author I've checked who does not have one. This surprised me, since she's a fairly prominent writer, but I took it as an opportunity to try to get my first Wikipedia article. Here is a link to my re-submitted article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Grace_Dane_Mazur Thank you for your time! Solared (talk) 11:10, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Winnie QuagliottiEdit

 On 10 September 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Winnie Quagliotti, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Winnie Quagliotti protested against the Australian Bicentenary by dressing in a possum-skin cloak and throwing a wattle wreath into the sea at Princes Pier? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Winnie Quagliotti. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Winnie Quagliotti), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

ThanksEdit

Thanks for taking the time to participate at my RfA. Actually the undersells what you did. To take the time and care to find those diffs and put them in context is an honor. I hope that my actions as an administrator reward your faith and I look forward to seeing you around AfD or some book related article again soon. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Regarding template removal on Naomi BriscowEdit

I can see you have removed speedy deletion template from Draft:Naomi Briscow. This page was already being deleted previously by administrators and this is being revived again with same content? I want to ask reason why you removed template?— Harshil want to talk? 11:49, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Joan Livingstone (artist)Edit

Hi RebeecaGreen - thanks for your feedback!

When I first submitting Joan Livingstone for review, I wrote just a few sentences and did not provide enough references. I am hopeful that there are enough references now that it may be accepted after a re-review.

I am sure that I can find publications by others about Livingstone (I have access to the American Craft Council and The Textile Center of MN libraries, both amazing). I may not be able to make it to those places very soon. I would be happy also to coordinate looking up other things for Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Drafts in addition to Livingstone! --Hmacke (talk) 18:39, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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