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Claimants of Hellenic ancestryEdit

Both the Kalash and Hunzas claim outside origins, in particular to Hellenic Empire. Their genetics reveal they are mixed among both outsiders and locals. Their languages aren't Indo-Aryan, and they look different. Hindu scriptures clearly mention that the Yavanas dominate in the very northern parts of the Subcontinent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sprocket Crocket (talkcontribs) 20:08, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Sharma 2009Edit

Your argument, that the error was typographical, is not borne out by the facts.

  • It is clear from the paper that Sharma et al. claim the "72.22%" number as their own finding. (And they do so in a revised version of their paper: that is, they had ample opportunity to check for errors.)
  • From the abstract, top of p.47: "A peculiar observation of the highest frequency (up to 72.22%) of Y haplogroup R1a1* in Brahmins hinted at its presence as a founder lineage for this caste group."
  • Top of p.51b: "Further, the observation of a very high frequency (upto 72.22%) in this study (Table 1) [...]"
  • It is clear that Sharma 2009 claim to have screened 30 West Bengal Brahmins.
  • The number 30 appears in Table 1 in a column that correctly totals to 621, the very number for total sample size stated in the abstract and also at the top of p.50b ("Genetic structure of the studied regional population groups").

IOW, if you are correct about the real source of the 72.22% number, then this is much much more than a matter of erroneous entries in a table of data. Given your hypothesis, Sharma 2009 have claimed someone else's finding as their own: they have "borrowed" the Sengupta 2006 numbers for 18 WB Brahmins and projected them on their own 30 WB Brahmins. Do you know what this would imply about their scientific integrity? You may have missed that the case of West Bengal Brahmins is not the only problem with the data in Sharma 2009. See User:Rudrasharman/Notes/DNA papers#Sharma 2009 this. 8 out of 16 rows are thoroughly compromised. How many other sources did they plunder for their claimed sample of 621? (And note also, in the paper, at p.54a, they claim to have found 19/71 Saharia males with R1a1*. The reported sample size in Table 1, consistent with the reported total sample size of 621, was 57. Is that a "typographical error" too?)
Would you still want to claim that Sharma 2009 has any shred of scientific value whatsoever? If so, on what basis?
(Please respond here, to keep discussion in one place. I'll check back. Thanks.) rudra (talk) 17:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply…
If you look at my posts, I definitely did not deny that Sharma et al guys might have claimed the WB Brahmin data of 72.22% as their own, instead I focused on the fact that the percentage is correct for that specific group and should not have been removed from the wiki article just because of it being highlighted in Sharma et al. Actually I was quite amazed to see the 72.22% listing referenced from Sharma et al 2009 in an older version of this article sometime in Jan-Feb 2009 as I’d already calculated that same Y-DNA percentage from Sengupta et al. But, instead of making a direct allegation towards them, I said that they might have ‘compiled’ their own data with other sources which actually is not an offence as most of the geneticists use data from previous studies to further their own analysis unless they did not mention it explicitly and in this case they probably did not(except for the Maharashtra Tribes in the Supplementary Doc.).
Besides, my ‘hypothesis’ that ‘Sharma et al has claimed Sengupta data’ is not only borne out of the PDF but from the attached ‘Supplementary Doc’ as well. Here they used the data of West Bengal Brahmins and other Indian, Pakistani, Central Asian groups that they likely have taken from other studies and compiled alongwith their own data of 510 subjects (not 621) for MDS plots shown in Figure 3C and Figure 5 of the doc. It proves that WB Brahmin, Himachal Brahmin and other groups were ‘referenced’ in their own study which included only 510 samples of the groups listed here.
Now, as far as me quoting the samples of WB Brahmins as typo error is concerned, ‘18 samples projected as 30 samples’ looks like a typo error for that group and does have the potential to inflate the no. from 609 to 621. And the same might have occurred for other compromised groups like Punjab Brahmins, Himachal Brahmins, Saharia, etc. However if they had already picked up a total no. of samples of 621 before analysis as you’re pointing to, then they probably inflated the referenced data by big margins. They also made minor adjustments to their own data set of MP Gonds and Maharashtra Brahmins in the published PDF as I’ve referenced here.
Saharia data is seriously messed up and this group doesn't show up in the supplementary. MP Tribe in the doc refers to MP Gonds only. --Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Just checking some details on your recent R1a editsEdit

Can you just confirm on a few relatively small points:-

  • Did you intend to delete the Kivisild ref here?
  • Were the North and South Pakiston designations deleted here in the original source? Maybe they were important?

Thanks--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 10:27, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer!
1. OK, thanks. I did not see it was repeated.
2. Still don't understand why those words were removed. These words are not so commonly known and it does not seem convenient if readers need to look it up? Minor point I guess, but...
Cheers--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 11:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I leave it to your judgement. I see you've looked into to it more, so I just raise the question about whether it can be made a bit more user friendly. Wikilinks might indeed provide a good improvement.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 11:42, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good to me!--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


As far as I can see this is an anonymous bit of research put together by someone. So it has not been through any fact checking. Also, I am pretty sure this website is not being cited by any academics or other experts. A reliable source on Wikipedia needs some sort of verifiable fact checking, and private websites and blogs are normally not allowed. So yes I think we have to find those articles. Can you tell me which one's you are having trouble finding? I have put links to a lot of them on R1a and R1b. Also remember I went to some efforts to make it easier by making this article: List of R1a frequency by population. (Again, look at the links.)--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

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May 2017Edit

Hello, you can't add unsourced information to Wikipedia or remove sourced information. You are defying rules such as Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material and that is not how things work here on Wikipedia. ( (talk) 00:06, 18 May 2017 (UTC))

@Fylindfotberserk: Can you stop adding unsourced information? You continue to add this yet I can't find it in the source. Can you please point to it in the source? I might have overlooked it by accident. As for Haplogroup O-M175, I suggest you read the source that supports the information [1]. This source is presented later on in the article and that is where I have taken it from. You say "22", could you point to me where in the source is says "22"? ( (talk) 08:03, 21 May 2017 (UTC))

@Fylindfotberserk: What is wrong with you? The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers Persists Both in Indian Tribal and Caste Populations" says nothing about the claim that you're making. Stop breaking Wikipedia rules! ( (talk) 09:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC))

Just letting you know that I might take this to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard to solve this issue because this is getting utterly ridiculous. ( (talk) 09:04, 26 May 2017 (UTC))
Apologies Fylindfotberserk, that should not have been said. I was caught in the heat of the moment, I have crossed it out. ( (talk) 09:08, 26 May 2017 (UTC))
Stop being a pest yourself and stop deleting sources in the references. You seriously have some issues with me. I've seen you're edits, you are only reverting my edits. I said it multiple times to check the References section. There are multiple Kivisild researches one of which you have deleted yourself using your multiple IPs and claim the source isn't there. I don't know why it is so hard for you to check References sections in both R1a and O pages.


That data I took is from Kivisild2003a which list 23% for Sri Lanka for a specific r1a maker that you can compare with Why it is so hard for you to click on the citation and see the PDF in the references.


Comorians have 22 samples for O-M50 and only one for O-MSY2.2 but not within O-M50 which brings the total to 23 samples. Again check the references.

As for the markers and stuff I'm not obliged to Spoon Feed you genetics.Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

So it takes this many messages for you to finally engage in discussion? You say, "I'm not obliged to Spoon Feed you genetics" you certainly have to when you completely ignore discussion and give poor edit summaries, so don't blame me for your behaviour. ( (talk) 10:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC))
@Fylindfotberserk: I just want to clarify that I don't mean to target you. I make many edits, it's just that lately most of those edits have revolved around the edit war that we have had. Anyway, it's good that we solved the problem, happy editing. ( (talk) 12:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC))

Superclade J2*Edit

Yo, people just use the "*" to mark use of the superclade when the subclade specific mutations aren't tested for. For example a study may report high values of "I*" if say only I2a2 is tested for, and thus "I*" will include I1 but also I2b and so on. But in another paper that only tests for, say, I1a, "I*" may be used to include I1b and all I2. And then in another one it might report only "I*" as no subclade is tested for. In that way what "J2*" means will vary from paper to paper. I wish they wouldn't do this, it's confusing to people who aren't familiar to the literature. But just thought I would explain the source of your misunderstanding. --Yalens (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Bodybuilder StatsEdit

  Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Jay Cutler (bodybuilder), but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source, so I removed it. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! Materialscientist (talk) 08:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

@Materialscientist:The references were already present in the articles of Jay Cutler and Phil Heath. They were used to quote Height and Weight of these individuals. I was going to add those references after adding the data when my PC restarted. Sorry. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:32, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017Edit

  Please do not add or change content, as you did at R1a, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. -- (talk) 11:38, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

@ Hello
  • The header is "Diversification of R1a1a1 (M417) and ancient migrations". So there is no need to provide excessive data i.e. specific name of the countries within a geographic region which has been already mentioned. The study clearly mentions R1a1a M17 being found with significant frequency ranging from Norway and Northeast Asia to south India, whereas high frequencies occur in East Europe, West, South and central Asia. Going against which will be a case of WP:SYNTH
  • Sub Clades downstream of R1a1a-M17 have respective headers already with High frequency regions, ethnicity and countries mentioned as per Underhill 2014.
  • Rest has been/can be added in respective sections of "Geographic distribution of R1a1a" header... Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:23, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Mark Calaway NumerologyEdit

There is a belief that Mark Calaway. Like many other famous people and the WWE. Have a connection with the Illuminati and the NWO. Which is a big conspiracy theory.

Numerology A1 B2 C3 D4 E5 F6 G7 H8 I9 J10 K11 L12 M13 N14 O15 P16 Q17 R18 S19 T20 U21 V22 W23 X24 Y25 Z26 Add all the numbers of the letters. Before WrestleMania 30 2014 Undertaker Choke slammed Brock Lesnar. It was through a table. He never signed the Contract. The Streak. /Adolf Hitler Faked His Death 211/ /Osama Bin Laden Faked His Death 211/

                       A1 D4 O15 L12 F6                                O15 S19 A1 M13 A1
                   /Mark Calaway Faked His Death 210/    

/Adolf Hitler faked his death and became Le Duan 316/ Austin 3:16. Undertaker is Mark Calaway. Kane is Glenn Jacobs. /Mark Calaway Glenn Jacobs 211/ /Brock Lesnar Glenn Jacobs 220/ /Mark Calaway and Glenn Jacobs 230/ /Mark Calaway Wrestles 230/ /Mark Calaway Conspiracy 232/ /Undertaker Conspiracy 240/

Brian Lee Harris fake Undertaker at summer slam.  /Roman Reigns Brain Harris 250/

/Mark Calaway Roman Reigns 242/ /Undertaker Roman Reigns 250/ Seth Rollins name is Colby Lopez /Mark Calaway Colby Lopez 240/ /Mark Calaway Seth Rollins 260/ Seth Rollins defeated Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns at WrestleMania 31 911 Emergency Number 911 11:11 /Faked His Death 101/ 101X11=1111 Operation High Jump. The United States Government sent out a expedition. Too find a Secret Nazi Base. The base was called Station 211. It happened in the year 1947. After the war. Le Duan is the leader of North Vietnam. During the Vietnam War. Adolf Hitler’s Death was announced on radio May 1st 1945. Osama Bin Laden’s Death was announced on the news May 1st 2011. The death of Hitler happened on April 30th 1945. The end of the Vietnam War April 30th 1975. 30 years 1945 to 1975. Movie Back To The Future 2. The future is 2015. The movie was at theaters in the year 1989. Cubs win world Series. The news paper reveals masonic conspiracies. About Queen Diana. President Miss Clinton. The date is October 22. Two doors show the number 22. One door shows 220. Undertakers’ Streak from WrestleMania. The Cubs won the World Series in the year 1908. 108 years later. They win the World Series. In 2016 /Jim Hellwig 108/ Ultimate Warrior I believe he faked his death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleach101 (talkcontribs) 20:26, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

What the hell??

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Can you please add a quotation from the source for this change. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 15:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Sitush:I only merged two sentences into one. I wasn't able to see the source either.Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I misread it. I then spotted that someone had earlier made a complete hash of the article and have reverted it to an earlier state. Caste articles very quickly turn into a mess unless constantly monitored. My apologies again. - Sitush (talk) 15:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@Sitush: That's totally OK mate. And yes caste articles do turn into garbage fast if not monitored. I remember a lot of Jat related articles were heavily influenced by that abomination of a website Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:09, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Jan 2018Edit

A user Krishb is vandalizing North India article. He has deleted citations and removed Sub Headings. Khairaarsh (talk) 06:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I'll see. Thanks Khairaarsh for informing me.Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:20, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Your welcome!Edit

Dear Fylindfotbersek, your're welcome! There is not enough good spirit around here, so thank you much for your kindness and all your hard work. Cheers!--A.S. Brown (talk) 06:54, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again A.S. Brown.
Thank so much for the kitten! When your're sick, tired and surrounded by disagreeable people, your kindness both lifts one spirits and gives hope in humanity again. Thank you so much! --A.S. Brown (talk) 07:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)


Hi! Whatever editing was done is correct.

Awadhiya is not a caste. The article as edited by you says "The Mandal Commission designated the Awadhiya of Bihar as Other Backward Class in the Indian system of positive discrimination."

The list of Other Backward Class from Bihar is here:

You will not find any caste by the name Awadhiya. Then why do you say that I have removed 'sourced material'? The actual source, i.e. the link above defies the statements that you have made.

Awadhiya means people from Awadh. That is true.

Further, many jain people including myself use the surname Awadhiya. Jains have never been related to agriculture. They are merchants and traders.

Your article says "Awadhiya (also referred to as Awadhiya Kurmi, Ayodhya Kurmi and Awadha Vansi) is a Hindu subcaste of the Kurmi who believe themselves to be descendants of the mythological Suryavanshi (Solar) dynasty. They claim their origins to be in Ayodhya, which was the ancient capital of that dynasty. The term "Awadhiya" means people of Awadh or Ayodhya."

Kindly state what is the source of the said text? And how would you include the jains who are use the surname Awadhiya in the above-mentioned text?

Hence, kindly revert back the article edited by me.

Regards, Mehul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehulshah123 (talkcontribs) 07:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree with the statements made above. +1 Yash Agarwal (talk)


Awadhiya is not a caste. The article as edited by you says "The Mandal Commission designated the Awadhiya of Bihar as Other Backward Class in the Indian system of positive discrimination."

The list of Other Backward Class from Bihar is here:

First, kindly remove the claim that Awadhiya belongs to Other Backward Classes.

The above link is that of Government's database. The book that you are (mis)quoting is bogus. The government's data should prevail over a self-proclaimed author with no credentials that you are misquoting repeatedly.

Hajjams are muslims. There is no Awadhiya who is a Hindu and Hajjam. Your book says that Awadhiyas are hajjams (barbers). I am a jain who uses the surname Awadhiya. Have jains ever worked as barbers? You need to read some history bro.

Awadhiyas can be Muslims too.

How your article would be relevant to the Awadhiyas who never had any roots in Bihar? The article as edited by me is neutral, and is all encompassing.

Kindly remove the claim that it is OBC. I will furnish the remaining proofs that Awadhiya can belong to any religion very soon.

I am a jain who use the surname Awadhiya.

With regards, Mehul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehulshah123 (talkcontribs) 13:55, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Difference between Awadhiya Kurmi and Awadhiya HajjamEdit

You misquoted two references. One you used to state that Awadhiya is Kurmi, and another you misused to state that they are OBC. In reality, the first one referred to the landholder zamindars of Bihar, who have been referred to as dwij (i.e. equivalent to brahmin) due to their high status. The second one referred to barbers who are hajjams.

Both the Awadhiyas are different as is stated in the link below.

The following link states that both are different:

Your source states that Awadhiya Hajjam is OBC, how can you write in your article that Awadhiya Kurmi is OBC?

In my opinion, you are misusing your privileges as administrator and are trying to block all attempts of any correction due to ego issues.

Kindly reinstate the article to the form edited by me. It is all inclusive and does not hurt the sentiments of any particular section of people. Besides, it is true.

Regards, Mehul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehulshah123 (talkcontribs) 12:21, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

As written by another curatorEdit

Reservation classification[edit source] I think our source is confusing re: whether or not this community are classified as OBC. It does mention Awadhiya as one of several items in parentheses after the name Hajjam but this is typical of the ambiguity we find in the various government lists and that particular range of pages in the source looks like nothing more than a transcription of Mandal's official list.

Are the Awadhiya connected to the Hajjam, which is apparently mostly a Muslim community, or is the list just meaning those of the Hajjam who live in the Awadh region? Of course, that source was 1991 and much has changed since then. The present Bihar OBC list mentions neither Hajjam nor Awadhiya, although the usual provisos still apply re: these appalling primary sources.

I'm tempted to remove the entire statement on the grounds of uncertainty regarding what the source means, even if not actual unreliability. - Sitush (talk) 17:05, 4 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehulshah123 (talkcontribs)


You have said:

The Mandal Commission designated the Awadhiya of Bihar as Other Backward Class in the Indian system of positive discrimination. is supported by this 1 which lists Awadhiya has been considered an OBC Caste from Bihar

This link:

states the list of OBC from Bihar.

IMHO, my source, being the government's list, must prevail.

The government's record does not find Awadhiya as an OBC from Bihar, then are you or your self proclaimed expert (whose book you have been citing) mightier than the government?

In other words, if you say that Awadhiya is OBC in Bihar, then insert the same in the list of OBC and let them get the benefits!

Your actions are undemocratic and one sided. You are not a rational person. You are unaffected by reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehulshah123 (talkcontribs) 12:30, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


I added two links about Lakhanis' ethnicity
The first link [1] mentions Sultan Ali Lakhani's birthplace. However, his name was spelled Lakhanai, but that is a typo, not different person. The book is available in snippets, and the snippet which follows the one that is referenced is [2]. Those two snippets together mention he graduated from Karachi University with a Honour's degree in economics, and that he heads the Lakson Group of Companies. This verifies the information is indeed about Sultan Ali Lakhani.
The second link [3] points out some of Gujaratis contributions to Pakistan, one of which is "Colgate-Palmolive in Pakistan is run by the Lakhani Memons" . Although it does not mention Sultan Ali Lakhani specifically, it mentions his family, because his family runs Colgate-Palmolive in Pakistan. A145029 (talk) 22:09, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Let me clarify the points.
  • The first link[1] mentions Sultan Ali Lakhani's birthplace. However, his name was spelled Lakhanai, but that is a typo, not different person. - Just because you or me think it to be a typo doesn't prove that it is one. For that matter, it can be argued that Mr. Lakhanai of your source is a different person altogether. The birth place and birth date can only be added to the article when it can be thoroughly verified that Mr. Lakhanai is indeed Mr. Sultan Ali Lakhani. So it will be better to find a proper source.
  • ... he graduated from Karachi University with a Honour's degree in economics, and that he heads the Lakson Group of Companies. - The fact that Sultan Ali Lakhani graduated from Karachi University with a Honour's degree in economics is covered by this reliable source [[2]].
These two links of yours don't mention anything about their ethnicity which seems to be your primary concern.

  • The second link[3] points out some of Gujaratis contributions to Pakistan, one of which is "Colgate-Palmolive in Pakistan is run by the Lakhani Memons" . Although it does not mention Sultan Ali Lakhani specifically, it mentions his family, because his family runs Colgate-Palmolive in Pakistan. - That is the point. Sultan Ali Lakhani is not mentioned in the article. Moreover it seems the author there calls everyone a Gujarati based on geographical origin/birth rather than their ethnic origin. I doubt the credibility of the author Aakar Patel or this article. It is obvious that he is not a Professional Writer working with LiveMint and that the article is posted under Opinions section. Personally I find him quite biased. He bashes every community whom he thinks lack entrepreneurial skills. Check the snapshot below taken from Wikipedia:Verifiability
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Even then, the source doesn't mention the name of Sultan or Iqbal Ali Lakhani.
Your edit is just a mix-match of multiple sources to represent something which has not been explicitly mentioned in any of the sources. Thus it is a clear case of WP:ORIGINAL. Here is a section from the lead from Wikipedia:No original research.
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I suggest you provide sources which explicitly mention their ethnicity, birth place and birth date similar to how you did in e.g. Sanjay Leela Bhansali's page. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Ok here's something else I found. The page 91 is titled Sultan Ali Lakhani.[5]. Also an excerpt from the book reads as "Pakistan. Parliament. Senate. SENATOR SULTAN ALI LAKHANI Mr. Sultan AN Lakhanai was born on July 24, 1948 in Gondia, India. After earning an Honour's degree in Economics from the Karachi University, he undertook business and indutry as profession. He is presently Advisor, Lakson Group of Companies with its Head Office in Karachi. He is keenly interested in the international and diplomatic affairs and has visited a number of countries round the globe since 1973. He is a ..." and you can see this excerpt in the first result here:[6]. So all this together makes it pretty convincing its a typo and i think there should be some tolerance for typos in Wikipedia.
For the second source, Livemint is pretty well regulated being one of the biggest newspapers in India. Also, I agree we cannot add that "Sultan Ali Lakhani originates from Gujarat" since it is not mentioned in the source but we can add "Sultan Ali Lakhani hails from the Lakhani family which originates from Gujarat". (There is only one Lakhani family that owned Colgate-Palmolive in Pakistan). — Preceding unsigned comment added by A145029 (talkcontribs) 17:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

  • So all this together makes it pretty convincing its a typo and i think there should be some tolerance for typos in Wikipedia. - May be a typo. But I don't think google searches can be allowed. As far as the Snippets are concerned, there are people in Wikipedia I know who'd straight away reject them. Lakhani's University and Academic infos are covered by another source. The only concern is his birth place and date which seems are supported by your sources only. Let me check.
  • Livemint is pretty well regulated being one of the biggest newspapers in India. Although Livemint's credibility is out of context here, check this one Wikipedia:Verifiability
Several newspapers, magazines, and other news organizations host columns on their web sites that they call blogs. These may be acceptable sources if the writers are professionals, but use them with caution because the blog may not be subject to the news organization's normal fact-checking process.[7] If a news organization publishes an opinion piece in a blog, attribute the statement to the writer (e.g. "Jane Smith wrote..."). Never use as sources the blog comments that are left by readers. For personal or group blogs that are not reliable sources, see Self-published sources below.

Aakar Patel's article here is obviously an opinion piece as I explained before. He obviously is not an employee of Livemint. He has his own business it seems from the article. His was a personal blog which can't be called reliable. Even then, the source itself doesn't explicitly mention anything about the subject being a Gujarati.

  • Also, I agree we cannot add that "Sultan Ali Lakhani originates from Gujarat" since it is not mentioned in the source but we can add "Sultan Ali Lakhani hails from the Lakhani family which originates from Gujarat". (There is only one Lakhani family that owned Colgate-Palmolive in Pakistan) - Again Original Search here. Linking multiple sources into a new meaning. Kindly find a better source.

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

I am taking this to the "dispute resolution noticeboard" A145029 (talk) 19:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

───────────────────────── This dispute has been closed at DRN by a different volunteer, but I want to add to that: Several of the sources being offered here are legislative directories — directories of members — published by Parliament House, a government agency. As such, these are public records which cannot be used as reliable sources for living persons, see this section of the Biographies of Living Persons policy which says, "Do not use public records that include personal details..." Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC) PS: I forgot to mention that the website cannot be used as a reliable source about living individuals. That website is a self-published source and this other section of the Biographies of Living Persons policy prohibits SPS's from being used for information about living persons unless they are "written or published by the subject of the article." Lakson may be owned or managed by certain individuals, but it, not those individuals, publish the website. It cannot, therefore, be used as a reliable source for information about those individuals. — TransporterMan (TALK) 21:49, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ Pakistan. Parliament. Senate. Directory of Members. Parliament House. p. 91.
  2. ^
  3. ^ Patel, Aakar (March 10, 2011). "Why India is part dysfunctional, fully functional". Livemint.
  4. ^ By "exists", the community means that the reliable source must have been published and still exist—somewhere in the world, in any language, whether or not it is reachable online—even if no source is currently named in the article. Articles that currently name zero references of any type may be fully compliant with this policy—so long as there is a reasonable expectation that every bit of material is supported by a published, reliable source.
  5. ^
  6. ^

@TransporterMan: Thanks for resolving the matter sir. It seems there are a lot of users here in Wikipedia who wouldn't abide by the rules when it comes to pushing their own biased agenda. And in the case of South Asia related topics, it's ethnicity related most of the time. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Nisha RawalEdit

This article [1] mentions Nisha Rawal has been married to Karan Mehra from 2012 to present (the article was published in 2017) and this article from 2015 [2] mentions Karan Mehra's wife is a Gujarati. So it's a reasonable reference that she is Gujarati. A145029 (talk) 22:18, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Ditto for Nisha Rawal also. None of the sources explicitly say that she Nisha Rawal is Gujarati. If we draw a conclusion that Nisha Rawal is Gujarati from these two only sources, then it becomes an original research as explained above. So please find a source which explicitly mentions her ethnicity. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Ok, but since it does explicitly say that her husband says that she is Gujarati, I'm adding that: according to her husband his wife is Gujarati — Preceding unsigned comment added by A145029 (talkcontribs) 17:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
No, I already explained that since both are different sources, it would be an Original Search if you combine both to conclude Nisha Rawal is Gujarati. That is the reason why a lot of ethnicity categories of different Indian people got removed since sources were not explicit. The First source can only be kept in this page not the second one.
but since it does explicitly say that her husband says that she is Gujarati, I'm adding that: according to her husband his wife is Gujarati - Doesn't prove that Karan Mehra in the second link whose wife is a Gujarati is the same Karan Mehra who is Nisha Rawal's husband. Check below :
To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented...
as you can see, neither of your sources directly supports her being a Gujarati. So kindly look for an proper source. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Is it ok to add she speaks Gujarati based on this source: [3]
I am taking this to the "dispute resolution noticeboard" A145029 (talk) 19:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

India national cricket teamEdit

I have put back the {{citation needed}} tag back tp the article. Sorry about what happened.  Anchorvale T@lk | Contributions  08:43, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

That's totally OK Anchorvale
Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:50, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks!  Anchorvale T@lk | Contributions  08:51, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Maharana PratapEdit

  • Pg 29 of the book (which is the page that mentions that Royal family of Mewad is related to Saurashtra) is titled "Maharana Pratap"[1], I think that makes it clear it is about him.
  • It is in a snippet, but I can access the full book in a nearby library.
  • It is relevant since Maharana Pratap is also popular in Gujarat and historically he was connected to Gujarat (for example his father had conflicts with Bahadur Shah of Gujarat) so this detail about his relations to Gujarat should be added somewhere in the article. A145029 (talk) 00:31, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Let me clarify my points:

  • This snippet which you referenced to frame this line -> He belonged to the Royal Family of Mewad which was also related to the Royal Family of Saurashtra, Gujarat.[3] doesn't mention Maharana Pratap ("He").
  • Secondly, this line
the Royal Family of Mewad which was also related to the Royal Family of Saurashtra, Gujarat.
itself is irrelevant to the article on this individual, Maharana Pratap. It might be relevant to the "Royal Family of Mewad" article if there's any in Wikipedia. Just as an example, you can't write "Irfan Pathan belongs to the community of Pathans of Gujarat which is also related to the community of Pathans of Rajasthan", since 'Pathans of Rajasthan' is not relevant to Irfan's article.
  • Thirdly, Snippets can be tricky. It seems that the authors of the book quoted other people, as I can see a 'Devashankar Mehta' here. It can be possible that the above line has been adapted from somebody else's work. And we can't be sure if the authors are in agreement with it either.
  • One of the three snippets provided by you now, one talks about "9 Gujarati dramas written on Maharana Pratap" clearly, but doesn't clear anything about the "Royal families". You can't use different snippets to deduce something which had not been written explicitly. It is just synthesis of published material. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:02, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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@Sagavaj:, I've checked it. You are correct. With so much edits/vandalism going on in the article, I decided to put some sources with a simple google search. Seems like a mistake on my part as well as google's. Thanks for notifying.- Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:21, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
You are right. Especially with Kits and Sponsors. They are changing continuously in both Sunrisers Hyderabad and Sunrisers Hyderabad in 2018. I don't have any references to know who their sponsors are. I saw that you already asked some IP address to stop but they are still editing. Can you do something about it? I don't know much about how to do the other stuff in Wikipedia other than editing. Would be really helpful. Thanks. -- Sagavaj (talk) 15:30, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
@Sagavaj:, I can get the IP blocked or request protect on the article if we have any reliable sources to back our standpoint. The only sponsors that seems reliable are the ones mentioned here, but these are not sorted into "Shirt Sponsor (Front), Shirt Sponsor (Back), Short Sponsor (Chest)". For now I'm going to Restore to your version and "request protect on the article" which might cause the IP to provide sources next time. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:47, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

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Mustafa AliEdit

Hi, one of the edits done at Mustafa Ali is ok and reliable. I see his matches, his armband even showed up the term WER1 which he used to represent unity, that's what I defined. it has been done since december 2017. I'm reverting this because I don't think so that it is unsourced. CK (talk) 17:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I even visit that article page when I open wikipedia. as I'm currently working on this page as I've made that page homepage of one of my browsers following editwars since it's creation. CK (talk) 17:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

YEAH OK OK, BUT THANK GOD YOUR EDITS ARE AS IT IS, i hope you read as I told you that 'I even visit that article page when I open wikipedia. as I'm currently working on this page as I've made that page homepage of one of my browsers.' however, your changes are as it is as per last revision after your second message. Cool? CK (talk) 18:41, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Neil Nitin MukeshEdit

Hi, I noticed that you made some changes to the article by adding Gujarati as his origins. The article must clarify that he is Gujarati through his paternal grandmother's side. Similar to how Hrithik Roshan's article clarifies his Bengali ancestry through his paternal grandmother's side separately. "Roshan is of part Bengali ancestry from his paternal grandmother's side" - the article states. Saying he is of Punjabi and Bengali ancestry would be inaccurate in the same way. Kaistha (talk) 15:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Kaistha (talk) 15:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kaistha:He is paternally of both Kayastha and Gujarati Brahmin origins which has been clearly mentioned by Nitin Mukesh in the source video. Nitin Mukesh didn't give any priority of one caste over other. So to maintain NPOV, we need to highlight it as it is. The sentence I framed clearly says he is of both Mathur Kayastha and Gujarati Brahmin origin. Changing it would be WP:OR Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:54, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

That can only be so if his father was Gujarati. Paternal line is inherited from the father's side. Only his grandmother is of Gujarati ancestry, not his mother or father so saying he is of Gujarati origins implies one of his parents is Gujarati, which is inaccurate. As I mentioned before, Hrithik Roshan's article specifically states he is of Bengali ancestry only from his grandmother's side, not that he is paternally of Punjabi and Bengali ancestry which would have been misguiding. Similarly, most other bios of living persons specifically state if the grandmother is of a different origin than the rest of the family. Kaistha (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

  • That can only be so if his father was Gujarati. - Nitin Mukesh (the subject's father) clearly said that he is of both "Hindu Kayastha and Gujarati Shrimali Brahmin" origins.
  • Paternal line is inherited from the father's side - Check bios of international people. They clearly mention origins of all grandparents if possible. e.g Hilary Swank
Since in the link Nitin Mukesh didn't prioritized one caste, it becomes necessary to represent both equally. According to BLP, it is sometimes essenial for the subject of the article to explicitly specify his/her ethnicity/nationality through a reliable source. So unless we have one where Neil Nitin Mukesh clearly mentions his descent, I believe we can put names of both castes without emphasizing origin. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:11, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

As I mentioned twice already, Hrithik Roshan's bio does not state that he is of Punjabi and Bengali origins because his grandmother was Bengali. It is separately stated that his grandmother was Bengali. He nor his parents have prioritized one ethnicity over another.

Paternal line has nothing to do with women at all. "Your direct paternal lineage is the line that follows your father’s paternal ancestry. This line consists entirely of men." He has inherited his surname "Mathur" as well as last name "Mukesh" and middle name "Nitin" from his paternal line. Kaistha (talk) 19:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Listen, Wikipedia believes in Reliable Sources and not on your Point-of-View. In the source provided, Nitin Mukesh clearly mentioned both of his parent's lineages and didn't prioritize one over another. And he did not mention anything about paternal lineage so we should not put it. Check descent of international celebrities. No "Paternal" lineage is given more credit over "maternal" lineage. And Hritik Rosahn's article is not a standard we should follow. Wikipedia is only bound by what is mentioned in the reliable source, nothing more or nothing less which will make the content fall under original search.Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:26, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Neutral point of view is maintained. It is simply stating facts. Both his parents are Kayasthas so it needs to be mentioned that he is from a Kayastha family and his paternal grandmother is Gujarati. Putting Kayastha and Gujarati alongside it is misguiding. Furthermore, you are quoting Nitin Mukesh, his father. This article is not about him. It's about his son. Hrithik Roshan's article follows the Wikipedia standards and guidelines and has been checked and approved by admins, Neil's article should be formatted the same way as they both are part of the same scenario.

Also, at which part in the video does he state what you claim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaistha (talkcontribs) 13:04, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

  • No, what you are saying is not neutral but your POV and WP:OR since Nitin Mukesh is not saying he is from a Kayastha family in the source. He only said that "his mom is a vegetarian Shrimali Gujarati Brahmin and his 'papa' is a Mathur Kayastha from Delhi a non-vegetarian".
  • Furthermore, you are quoting Nitin Mukesh, his father. This article is not about him. It's about his son. - For the record, Hrithik Roshan's article is also citing his father, Rakesh Roshan's quote to support Punjabi descent. If you find any reliable source in which Neil Nitin himself says he's a Kayastha, feel free to ad it albeit within WP:NOR policy.
  • Neil's article should be formatted the same way as they both are part of the same scenario. - Scenario might be similar (regarding paternal grandparent) but Wikipedia work on sources. Unlike Rakesh Roshan's link in Hritik Roshan's page, Nitin Mukesh didn't say anything like "I am of Kayatha origins".
  • Also, at which part in the video does he state what you claim? - It is in from 14:40

And don't edit war or put original search. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:51, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Hrithik Roshan has not said he's Punjabi in the source either. His father has. Another source also says his grandmother is Bengali. Why doesn't his article state that his paternal grandfather is Punjabi and his paternal grandmother is Bengali? Why does it state that he is from a Punjabi family when clearly it's something he himself has not stated but his father has? KS 16:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

  • Try to understand the fact that Wikipedia articles relies on 3 primary core policies and not on other articles. The link provided is in accordance to them. If you prioritize any one caste or put your own opinion then it becomes an original search and is liable to get reverted.
  • I'm not involved with Roshan's page but I can tell that his Bengali ancestry has been added few months back and probably had not been checked for neutrality after that or the source had not been given enough weight despite being reliable and seems to be Hritik's own sayings.
  • Check Kareena Kapoor's page. All her lineages, both paternal and maternal, are given the same amount of importance.
  • In Kareena Kapoor's page you can also see that she didn't say anything herself in any of the sources on caste/ethnicity.
  • Check Scarlett Johansson. You can clearly see that her paternal ethnicity hasn't been prioritized.

- Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

You have given examples of Kareena Kapoor and Scarlett Johansson. Both of their parents are of different ethnicities. Kareena's father is Punjabi and her mother is Sindhi and British while Scarlet's father is from Denmark and her mother is Ashkenazi. These are two completely different scenarios when compared with Hrithik Roshan or Neil Nitin Mukesh, both happen to have parents of the same backgrounds with the only difference being the ancestry of their paternal grandmother. When both the person's parents share the same ethnicity/surname/background then it can be mentioned that they are from a specific ethnic family. Then additionally the background of their grandparents can be added, as in the case of Hrithik Roshan's article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaistha (talkcontribs) 19:02, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Your comment doesn't make any sense. For starters check the definition of ethnicity. Gujarati Shrimali Brahmin is just as much a separate ethnic caste as New Delhi Kayastha is. If you think that a woman loses her identity upon marrying and a wiki article needs to be written as such then it is a case of male chauvinism and your own POV.
I told you multiple times that the only thing Wikipedia articles rely on are the sources doing anything against is liable to get reverted and for the final time Hritik Roshan's article is just an example. It is not relevant here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:10, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

You are confusing the ethnicity of his grandparents with the ethnicity of his parents. Both his parents are Mathurs, his grandfather is also Mathur, only his paternal grandmother is Gujarati. You ignore Hrithik Roshan's article and at the same time cite articles of Scarlett Johansson and Kareena Kapoor. So, their articles have more relevance than Hrithik's? Btw, no one said that a woman "loses her identity" upon marriage. Should only the ethnicity of the grandparents be mentioned and not that of the parents? KS 10:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

And you are POV pushing your own original research. No reliable sources here support the subject's maternal ancestry. No other article has anything to do with this one either. Wikipedia only relies on reliable sources and reproduce them as such without manipulating anything or finding a new meaning. Anything like "He belongs to a Kayastha family" cannot be added since it has not been mentioned explicitly in the source and WT:IN community prefers that caste labels for living people come from self-identification and trying to derive caste based on surnames(which you are doing) constitutes original research. The article at present only mentions what the subject's father has said in the interview explicitly. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Again Mustafa Ali.Edit

See this. I reported against that user, he added a word "Chutiya" a Hindi abusive word. as Pakistani Chutiya Americans. CK (talk) 22:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Broken nutshell:, You did a good job there. But since that vandalism was from an IP and likely shared, admins would not block them. If this kind of Vandalism occurs multiple times within a short period of time, you can request page protection. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:45, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: I requested protection at 17 February 2018 [See this], but nothing happened. If occured, I'll use that option again one more time. CK (talk) 15:44, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
@Broken nutshell:, I believe Full Protection is provided on some very important pages only. For the rest temporary protection is provided. Anyway if vandalism happens once or twice a day then you, me or anyone can revert it and warn the IP. If it gets persistent(say for 1-2 days nonstop even after you revert multiple times), then we can request "extended confirm protection" next time. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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Sachin-Jigar revertEdit

Hi, you reverted my edit. The 'debut' here refers to the part mentioned in the hatnotes of the page. Was just following User:Dispenser/Dab solver#How to disambiguate Step 3/bullet point3. Thanks Vivek Ray (talk) 14:37, 11 May 2018 (UTC) Forgot to mention, if what I did is not correct, then what should be done? Thanks Vivek Ray (talk) 14:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

@Vivek Ray:, If you believe that your recent edit is incorrect(wikilink in this case), then the obvious thing to do is to revert your edit. If not then someone else would do that. So it is necessary to check one's edit using "Show Preview" before "Publishing the changes". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: my edits are correct according to User:Dispenser/Dab solver#How to disambiguate Step 3/bullet-point 3, I guess. Just wanted to know your opinion about it. Thanks Vivek Ray (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Vivek Ray:, Actually what you did was not typically right since the word 'debut' here clearly refers to this definition - > A debut or début is the first public appearance of a person or thing. and doesn't require to be redirected to a disamb page. But, since the Debut article itself is a disamb page as well and Debut (disambiguation) redirects to the same page, there is probably no need to write Debut (disambiguation). For that matter, there is no need to wikilink the word Debut in the Sachin-Jigar article I believe. It is just a common English word. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: thanks for clearing that. Will be more cautious. Cheers Vivek Ray (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Vivek Ray:, Always Happy to Help. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:40, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Attention needed (:Edit

This blocked sock master User:Wolf Cola is again using his ip for disruptive editing on Kishore Kumar. Initially he was doing an edit war on Playback singer, Mohammad Rafi and have almost same editing style on Mukesh (singer). So what should be done?Kishfan (talk) 08:03, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

I've semi-protected the article. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 08:05, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
~Oshwah~, I appreciate your concern. Grateful but this sock never rests.Kishfan (talk) 08:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Trust me, I understand ;-). Let me know if the disruption move over to other articles and I'll take a look - keep an eye out. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 08:14, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Will definitely do that (-:. Thank you once again.Kishfan (talk) 08:17, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, Help needed, what do you think about lnk between RAW and 205 Live? are cruiserweights still exclusive to RAW? are 205Live is a division of RAW? or both are separated? CK (talk) 21:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

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He never was listed 200 kg, that page overlisted him Wrestling80 (talk) 16:52, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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Sir i want to create a article with your help on " zamindars of Hansari" Manuji yadav (talk) 12:10, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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I removed a dead link and changed a date to be in line with both the remaining sources and the rest of the article, all of which was explained in my edit summary. I have no objections to my changes being reverted if you or any other editor thinks that I was too bold or otherwise in error. But please remember to assume good faith rather than jumping straight to accusations. No One of Consequence (talk) 03:42, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

@No One of Consequence: My apologies. The warning was probably meant for somebody else. There had been quite a bit of vandalism on pages patrolled by me that day. I've removed the deadlink. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:35, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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You have deleted my edits. It's ok. But please read this & Brahmins were earliest caucasian to settle in kamrup at 6th century. Then kings and people started be mainstream Hindu. Since, Kalitas are also caucasian . How is it possible for kalita to link with Mahabharata figure. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talkcontribs) 07:51, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


  • First of all I don't understand what you meant by Since, Indus valley civilization don't provide any evidence of Aryan culture. So, Any of such claim should be false. It is not relevant to the subject of the article.
  • Brahmins were earliest caucasian to settle in kamrup at 6th century. Then  kings and people started be mainstream Hindu. - This line is not relevant to 'Kalita' article but 'Assamese Brahmins' article provide you have Reliable Sources.
  • How is it possible for kalita to link with Mahabharata figure. - Linked to Whom? Naraka? That is supported by the accompanying source.

Most importantly,

  • You should understand the fact that Wikipedian articles rely on Reliable sources. Whatever we write need to be supported by reliable sources. The sources used in the Kalita article are from renowned Assamese scholars like K.R. Medhi, K.L. Barua, P.C. Choudhuri, M. Neog, B. K. Kakati.
  • We do not quote other Wikipedia articles as source. That would be WP:CIRCULAR. So we should not use Assamese Brahmins as a source for the Kalita article.
  • Finally, we do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. That's called Original search. E.g if one source says "Kalitas are pure Aryans" and another source says "Some Kalitas married Ahom women", you CANNOT write "Kalitas are mixed people of Aryan and Ahom origins" if none of the sources mention the exact thing.
Try to go through Wikipedia:Core content policies

Thanks - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:46, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't know who you are. But i just want to say one thing that all the cited books are not historical book. It's connection of title. And the title are given by Brahmin. You can read S.L. Barua book. Brahmins are people who brought Aryan civilization to here. Everything is connected with Brahmins. They are people who taught Copper plate inscription. BTW, Linked citation are not accepted historical book, They are just normal book. Normal book can try to connect anything. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talkcontribs) 09:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

My request to any editor. Don't use any book as historical book. To be qualified as historical book entire world need to accept it as fact. Kindly mention about the book what kind of book it is.

@PerfectingNEI:, Kindly go through the links I've mentioned and try to understand how Wikipedia works. And one doesn't need to be an Assamese to work on those articles. You can very well edit Norwegian or Nigerian related articles in Wikipedia. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:40, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Very good. Keep editing. Just write complete information. Please change Narak-Bhagadatta to Narakasura-Bhagadatta. Incomplete knowledge is very dangerous. All type of claims (for or against) from all authors should be included. And if the books are not accepted historical book then clearly mention it. Kindly. Good bye. No need to reply — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talkcontribs) 10:49, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hello Fylindfotberserk, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
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Merry Christmas!Edit

--Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 22:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
@Sidoroff-B: Thanks man.. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:52, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Christmas to you all. Brandy Mogorosi (talk) 23:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Adding things only which are from reliable sources, I am self from the city Mirzapur..I know the facts which are truly reliable, that's why m adding them..Edit

Adding things only which are from reliable sources, I am self from the city Mirzapur..I know the facts which are truly reliable, that's why m adding them.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shubham R. B. Tripathi (talkcontribs) 11:50, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Shubham R. B. Tripathi: This not how Wikipedia works. Check WP:RS for starters - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for December 28Edit

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How is it Vandalism?Edit

You have sent me a message regarding edits made on a page as vandalism, can you tell me how is it vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:18, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Your petty intervene at my Bikaner editEdit

You corrected the info 30% & messed with it 70%. Not Good ! I would like to convey 4 points

1. You removed popular culture section by citing 'popular culture is something else'. Either grow up or tell me your defination of popular culture. Google explains it as "culture based on the tastes of ordinary people rather than an educated elite" & i wrote fantastic articulation regarding the popular culture of Bikaner city. 2. You cited Junagarh Fort praise as Puff/exaggeration. Seems like you have never been to the stunning Fort. It reflects Indian-Mughal-British Architecture splendidly. Upcoming bollywood film 'Manikarnika' is the recent one whose shooting took place there. 3. You made alphabetical arrangement of famous food items from Bikaner which i mentioned, it might be technically right but it disbalanced the order of their popularity in which they were initially arranged. The Rasgulla went from first to last in queue. 4. Thank you for renaming the section & suitably citing it as 'Wildlife'. It seems like you are a Vulture lover as you removed a dozen species which i mentioned and wrote about Vulture only(from the reference newspaper).

Do Ponder over the 4 points @Fylindfotberserk

1.Popular culture section should contain Movies, TV series, Fiction, etc whihc might be based on or related to Bikaner. You put a long essay whihc looked like a tourist guide. Read WP:NOTESSAY
2.Do not add adjective. See WP:PUFF and do not harass users.Seems like you have never been to the stunning Fort. is an example of it.
3.Alphabetical ordered is preferred and their is no ordered of popularity I can see in the sources provided by you. Moreover Rasgulla is of Bengali/Odia origin. You didn't mention Meethi Jalebi either
4.Do not assume who I am. Only vulture and vipers are sourced. And stop writing dogs, cats, lizards. Those are found everywhere. Looks like a school boy's essay. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:58, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hey Brother, i feel Good for our Constructive discussion. You made me understand the points with clarity, thank you.

1. Can we fill-in those details in section titled 'Tourist attraction'instead of 'popular culture'.
2. Okay, i got it.
3. Yes, rasgulla records are with Bengali/odia & it's surprising for Bikaneri people as many natives consider it to be originated from Bikaner. Well. . let's enjoy it's taste & let Go of it.
4. Indeed it looked like that but i wanted to add about the species practically found in Bikaner.

@Vishal S Yadav:

  • Can we fill-in those details in section titled 'Tourist attraction'instead of 'popular culture'. - That's what you were supposed to do but most of it like forts and places of interest are already covered in the other sections. I brought those under specific section in my recent edit. Shopping should go under Economy section and Camel festival under Fairs and festivals which I have re-added. See Agra and Jaisalmer for example
  • i wanted to add about the species practically found in Bikaner - You can add Peacock and other wild animals but with source. Do not add dogs, cats, lizards, insects, etc - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:04, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Thank you friend. You are tactful & gracious; encouraged me to do things systematically. Our constructive engagement made the Bikaner wiki page more Pertinent. Vishal S Yadav (talk) 02:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Vishal S Yadav You are welcome friend. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:14, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Fylindfotberserk!Edit

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Happy new year too Brandy Mogorosi (talk) 16:58, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year!Edit

Sorry for the belated response but Happy New Year to you too, bro. Keep up the good work! Hrodvarsson (talk) 01:36, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy new year from brandy mogorosi Brandy Mogorosi (talk) 23:03, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


  The Professional Wrestling Barnstar
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Language reorderingEdit

Hey there, re: this edit, this isn't a warning or anything, but if I were you, (an editor active in Indian entertainment articles,) I'd abstain from reordering languages unnecessarily. Yes, I know that you ordered it alphabetically, so it's not arbitrary, but ethnic-warring is very common in these articles[3][4][5][6] and everybody is going to have their own reasons for why one language/ethnicity should appear before another. Alphabetical (moving Hindi first), by number of speakers (moving Telugu above Tamil), according to film industry (moving Telugu to the front), etc. It's not a fruitful pursuit. If an order has not been messed with for a while, my unsolicited recommendation is to leave it alone. Just a thought. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:01, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I understand that sir, but we need to have something as standard ain't it? Having known that this type of ethnic warring will happen, I was more inclined to sort them according to the sources. But one has "Tamil, Telegu, and Hindi" and the other one has "Telugu, Tamil and Hindi" so I arranged them alphabetically. Look how these edits has removed all these sources and only kept "Telugu, Hindi" and deleted "Tamil". What to do? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:03, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


It's quite evident that Trueinfo19 (talk · contribs) and Rightinfo20 (talk · contribs) are the same users. . I have created an SPI for the same.  LeoFrank  Talk 13:42, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

@LeoFrank: I was thinking the same. Thanks man. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
My pleasure. I've requested for a CU to check if there are any sleepers. Rightinfo20 was created on Jan 1st and has probably gone unnoticed, so it is likely there could be more socks out there.  LeoFrank  Talk 14:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
@LeoFrank: Yeah there may be more socks as well as other users. Apart from the city, division and district, this name-changing is going on in all Allahabad related but less conspicuous pages like templates. Other Islamic sounding city names are also getting changed, Dadri, Bulandshr, Aligarh, etc. People should understand that Wikipedia has its own set of rules. On a side note, I am happy to know a fellow Bangalorean Wikipedian who's a B.Tech in Electronics and Communication Engineering. Keep up the good work friend. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:11, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  Thank you. Glad to know you as well. Are you from Bangalore too?  LeoFrank  Talk 11:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
@LeoFrank:, I used to live in Bangalore. Jayanagar to be precise. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:39, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Adaa KhanEdit

I noticed that you reverted a photo I have edited to Adaa Khan . Can I know why? Dr Samkiv Kumar (talk) 15:05, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

@Dr Samkiv Kumar: You were adding a poorly formatted link to the photo as a section heading, rather than embedding the photo. You should try to use the Preview functionality, as many of your edits in the past have added poor formatting (including lots of tags, which would imply you have copied the information from a previous diff. As a secondary point, I don't believe the photo you added was Public Domain, given it has an instagram account watermarked in the middle. Spike 'em (talk) 10:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

@Spike 'em: I am not as experienced as you and other people who are using Wikipedia since years. You people should teach me how to add different kinds of media and other functions.Dr Samkiv Kumar (talk) 02:22, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Request for a article page MoveEdit

Dear, Wikipedian I hope you are good! I want a article page moved but its not moved by me.Because here a already redirect page.My page is Sattari, Malda.I want to changed this title with moved on this name Sattari.Sattari, Malda to Sattari.I hope you helped me with moving this page. Yours faithfully User:JMM000 —Preceding undated comment added 13:38, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

@JMM000: Can't be done since there are other similar sounding things. Check Satari (disambiguation). The Primary topic is another Sattari, The Goan administrative division. Regards - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


Are you Indian? S.P.Verma (talk) 11:34, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Are you visited Prayagraj, No. Than you are mad. Because Now Allahabad not exist in earth. But you and your wikipedia shows. Wow nice joke.

S.P.Verma (talk) 11:37, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Milind GabaEdit

You Can Complete Millind Gaba wikipedia page. Complete Details add on Millind Gaba

Request For MoveEdit

Dear, Sir

I want to move two article pages by you.The first article page is English Bazar Municipality (E.B.M) to 'English Bazar Municipality' and secondly is Sattari Sarbojanin Primary School, Sattari to 'Sattari Sarbojanin Primary School'.I hope you will do it.Thanking you.

Yours Faithfully JMM000 (talk) 05:52, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

@JMM000:These two pages couldn't be moved since other articles (redirects) of the same name exist. Kindly raise a formal request. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:22, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
Thanks Anarulkhaled786 (talk) 11:45, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
@Anarulkhaled786: Thank you very much. I am greatly honored. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:47, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Rashtriya Swayamsevak SanghEdit

Sir i had removed the post of general secretary from RSS cuz this post isnt mentioned anywhere. Second i edited the post of Cheif cuz chief of RSS has a name i.e. Sarasanghchalaka. Thus it thought these were minor changes and didnt mentioned it. Regards:- Srijanx22 (talk) 06:33, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

  • I have deleted Joshi's name as per your suggestion (it is unsourced)
  • But you have deleted Hedgewar's name which I've re added.
  • Like in English media, "chief" is more suitable here for "Sarasanghchalaka" .
Regards - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:18, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry Sir the name of Hedgewar must be remobed mistakenly by me cuz I know he was the founder. Sir i would once again reiterate by point of using "Sarasanghchalaka" cuz they use it as their position.Even if english media use "chief".Because Sarasanghchalaka isnt a translation but a post itself. Plz reconsider yr decision. Regards:- Srijanx22 (talk) 23:41, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@Srijanx22: I agree that the term is "Sarasanghchalaka" but in Wikipedia, commonly used name is used in the articles as per WP:COMMONNAME. Just as an example, in google, "RSS Chief" gets you 880 million hits while "RSS Sarsanghchalak" gets only 62 thousand hits. Anyway, I've added Sarsanghchalak but kept "Chief" as well within parenthesis. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:27, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Thank You sir for conidering my edits. Regards:- Srijanx22 (talk) 17:28, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Talk page blankingEdit

Hi there, in case you didn't see my revert about this, users are allowed to remove warnings from their talk page. It is generally considered proof that they saw them. The essay you pointed to, Wikipedia:Removing warnings, is no longer consistent with community preferences. (There are two notices about that at the very top of the page.) The relevant guidelines are at WP:BLANKING. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:07, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: My apologies, I missed the top notice. I saw the "historical reference" one. But sir, what if an editor continues with unconstructive edits after level 4 warning? If we report them to the AIV, wouldn't they be searching for a Level 4 warning in the reported editor's talk page? This user "Princessruby" has made an OR first by changing the "gross" and after I warned her, she deleted the Bollywood Hungama source for the worldwide gross after which I warned her with a level 4 vandalism. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:19, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Looks like she is at it again
(edit conflict) Any time you report someone to AIV, you should also be including diffs and a clear explanation of what the problem is. When I used to do that, I would write stuff like:
"User ___ keeps vandalising the box office figures of ___. <diff><diff><diff>. Here is the actual figure as reported by Times of India. <link> I warned them four times <diff><diff><diff><diff>, but they vandalised the article again here:<diff>."
If you include links to the warnings, that's how admins will know you've warned them. But note that you should only report a user to AIV if they are vandalising something. Merely having a difference of opinion or the editor being obnoxious or mildly disruptive isn't the same thing as vandalism. For those you should go to AIV. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:28, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Note: Re: this reversion, while you may not understand it, we had a discussion a lonnnnng time ago at WP:ICTF (see discussion) where we decided to include estimation tags before gross figures. This is because Indian film financial data is entirely made up of estimations. So if you are warning Princessruby not to add that template, that would not be consistent with consensus and you might want to withdraw that warning. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
@Cyphoidbomb:Thanks for the info sir. Whenever I report to AIV, I include edit diffs but not the diffs of warnings since I rarely come across users who deletes warnings as soon as given. As for this specific user, I was gonna talk to you first before reporting her since she is an experienced editor.
This reversion was not about that "Estimation" template. Actually her edit caused the Budget and Box office parameters to vanish from the read mode. Check her edit before my revert here. That's why that exclamation in the edit summary - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:02, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
  • And I didn't warn her after this edit of hers. I warned her before that specifically for removing Bollywood Hungama source for Worldwide Gross and replacing it with domestic gross source in this edit. I mentioned that in the Level 4 when I warned her - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:08, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Ah. Got it. When you submit diffs, please submit the diffs that show changes between previous versions. Compare this link you provided above to this diff. Here you can see what the page looked like before and after the user's edits. Note that it indicates that we're looking at three of her edits ("2 intermediate revisions by the same user not shown"). This is the kind of thing that you want to submit, rather than the link above, where we just see a static page. You can access these in a page's edit history, by clicking on "Prev". This compares the individual edit against the "prev"ious version of the page. You can also select a range of edits by using the radio buttons, then clicking "compare selected revisions". You would then copy/paste the resulting URL. Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:16, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Looking at some of the other links you provided, I guess you know how to do this, so my apologies for over-teaching. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:18, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
@Cyphoidbomb:Over teaching? Absolutely not sir. You probably is the most knowledgeable and kind editor I've seen in Wikipedia and that too an admin. I know you guys are very busy. Sir, if the "estimation" template is necessary, I can put it back. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:26, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Please do. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:34, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Lock India pageEdit

I would request you to lock the country page of India to protect it from Vandalism. Srijanx22 (talk) 23:45, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Srijanx22 (talk) 18:15, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!Edit

  Thnx for an engaging conversation. _Srijanx22_ 12:34, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Srijanx22, Thanks man. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:12, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Draft-Beharia----- Thank You for your nice greetings. Uploadsou14 (talk) 13:37, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

A pie for you!Edit

  Thanks for taking care of vandalism. Please see and share your thoughts and experience about Bidhan Singh vandalizer on benefits of reporting the IP at WP:AIV and WP:RFP DBigXray 07:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@DBigXray: Yeah, I've been reverting this vandal's edits for quite some time now. Requested page protection on 4 May 2018 on here for vandalizing Rashtrapati Bhavan, List of current presidents and List of state leaders in 2018 here, here and here. All Geolocated to Patna, Bihar. It seems protection for pages requested at RPP would be the only solution. And all he does now is add a few "empty spaces". And if we want we can temporarily protect Indian govt. related pages.
And thanks for the Pie - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
You are welcome. Please click the link above and add your thoughts there. --DBigXray 09:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@DBigXray: I did. Thanks - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Prayagraj EntomologyEdit

can i give hindi news website Citation for Entomology ?? Includents.h (talk) 10:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Includents.h: Yes you can. But I think you should keep the Allahabad etymology first since it has been the first official name of the City since the creation of Indian Republic. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:45, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

hmm.. but Entomology relates to the history of word and i think the history of Prayagraj is much older than Allahabad.. so.. India Is a Cultural and Historical Country with wide range of history and home of oldest civilisation still intact as other civilization and culture faded with revolution and envision but Indian didn't change but submerged others to it.. while entacting her own philosophy and way of life.. Includents.h (talk) 10:51, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Put the correct source for Etymology first. I believe the subsections need to be removed since the attempts of renaming it started much more recently. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:03, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

you said hindi source would work so i did it. don't blame me.. i have spent time on it to collect the citation from respected English and Hindi News channel for it. Includents.h (talk) 11:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

   You should read the article more deeply before forming any opinion.Includents.h (talk) 11:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

why remove subsection ?? and you want to merge both Entomology ?? Includents.h (talk) 11:07, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Includents.h:Your edit here cites an English source only which doesn't explain why the name was "Prayag". So it is an original research and I reverted it. Put the Hindi source first. And I put the subsection but I think other articles like Chennai do not have etymology subsections and the other info on 'Prayag' i.e. the effort by BJP govt is a recent affair as per chronology. Add the hindi source first then I'll edit accordingly - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Okay But for your information Allahabad has been parallelly referred as Prayagraj as in my village each and every old person refer it as Prayagraj instead of Allahabad.. but whatever i will put the Citation and texts then edit as suited.. and Chennai isn't a part of deep history so we can't compare it logically. Includents.h (talk) 11:18, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Includents.h: Your own opinions doesn't matter here in Wikipedia. Wikipedia needs sources. And Chennai has been inhabited since Stone Age and coins dating back to 500 BC have been found there. Thiruvananthapuram is another example. Definitive sources point to trades as far back as 1036 BC. So reason to bring "whose city is older" kinda thing here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:28, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
   Ya I know that's why i have collect articles from News Source. So before reverting talk first.Includents.h (talk) 12:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
@Includents.h: Can you link the Hindi source here in my talk page? I'd like to see it - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 Go and read the article i think I have fixed all loopholes with rational approach for that part. and Hindi reference is added so have a look at it.Includents.h (talk) 12:25, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Good decision.. saw the article.. now this matter is fixed. Includents.h (talk) 13:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

It is strange that every Hindi News channel of Uttar Pradesh and National News Channels of India refers to Prayagraj as Prayagraj.. If you have access to Indian Television Channels go and watch.. and My grandmother today went to Prayagraj for the holy mela of Kumbh she also referred to it as Prayag.. I think its main name should be Prayagraj and then Allahabad in brackets. I am saying on the basic of facts.. watch AajTak channel General Hindi Channel Now.. Includents.h (talk) 15:35, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Includents.h:Try to understand that the English Wikipedia works in a global platform and has its own set of rules and consensus. It needs substantial amount of time to change an article name as per WP:COMMONAME. Notice that the article on Bengaluru is still name as Bangalore despite the name change happened in 2014. Wait for some time when the word "Prayag" becomes more common in the world and the internet. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:42, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Hmm then Wikipedia will have to wait for a year or two to update the name.Includents.h (talk) 16:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Includents.h: Who knows? Would depend on the worldwide media. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

yepIncludents.h (talk) 16:10, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Vikas GuptaEdit

Ref: Ref:

Vikas was my fellow at the University. - What would be the correct way, so that complete information is available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Staryash (talkcontribs) 14:47, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Staryash: Wikipedia needs reliable sources to support any information that has been put in an article. Kindly go through WP:RS. If you find anything, link it to me. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:54, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

who do you think you are?Edit

You think this is India, where you can say Indo-Aryan and revert other people's edits with impunity?

Native town implies birth. Do you have any proof Gurdas was born as Hindu, or are you going to try and steal all of our talent as you've always have.

You do realise that the majority of the world LAUGHS at the notion of Indo-Aryan, right? What is your education? You're not the first to revert+threat other people when they challenge your Hindu-centric perception, and you won't be the last.

What will you do when all of the QE runs out, and SHRI MODI JI can't blast Here Comes the Hotstepper in his MARSADEE that he purchased on US-denominated, debt? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

edit: I've had it with you, Hindu. Your ass is going straight to the adminstration board. You're out of control. You think you have the right to steal our heritage because Michael Bloomberg has brought you to AMREEKA in large numbers. Let me tell you something: the entire world is not like your BOLLYWOOD fantasy that many of your friends have lived out in AMREEKA, do you understand? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:51, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Baseless Hindu-centric edits made by User:Fylindfotberserk on Gurdas Maan. TheMesquitobuzz 04:16, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

I am not the one that reported you, I'm just notifying you! TheMesquitobuzz 04:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Re:A kitten for you!Edit

Hello User:Fylindfotberserk, thank you for the kitten and for your talk page message! You are correct in your inference that users are not allowed to remove entries that are made by others, as User:Blamen2 did. Fortunately, it looks like the complaint was restored by another user. If User:Blamen2 is indeed using other accounts to edit war, the appropriate step to take would be to file a report at WP:SPI. As you requested, I have left my comments on the talk page of the article favouring keeping the source, since the information therein is corroborated by other academic sources in the article. I hope this helps. With warm regards, AnupamTalk 22:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not Blamen2, Anupam. It was Nsmutte as specified on Fylind's complaint by Bonadea who Blamen2 also imitated. This is the third time I have to say I'm not him. Blamen1 (talk) 12:29, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Anupam: Thanks for your comments in support of keeping the source. I only have issues with the timelines mentioned in the source in question. If the source is corroborated by other academic sources
within the article, then I believe , it can be kept.
Thanks for notifying me about this and thank you very much for liking the kitten. :) - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:39, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Not everything is corroborated and a few details that are can't correct the faults that extend beyond timelines. Minahan wasn't even characterizing Kalash religion for which it's used, but that of Nuristanis'. I hope you reconsider. Blamen1 (talk) 10:43, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Low level VandalismEdit

At The Wire (India). Please watchlist, if possible. --DBigXray 11:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@DBigXray:OK I'll keep an eye. Am suffering from flu and was bedridden for the last few days so. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Please take care of your health. Wish you a very speedy recovery. Complete the full dosage cycle of the antibiotic medicines. Best wishes for you to get well soon. --DBigXray 11:03, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
@DBigXray: It is very kind of you to say so. Thank you - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Ring names vs nicknamesEdit

Please do not revert to versions of articles that present nicknames as ring names. Sorry if you were the one who spent time adding these, but the additions are completely and utterly flawed. The article name is Rick Rude because that was his ring name, rather than "Ravishing" Rick Rude. Similarly, the ring name is Bret Hart, not Bret "Hitman Hart". Triple H has three nicknames: "The Game", "King of Kings" and "Cerebral Assassin" - are they all ring names? No. Glad we've cleared that up. JuniorDoan (talk) 21:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Allahabad revertEdit

I have restored the article to the last stable version to fix the broken infobox. User:Fylindfotberserk please feel free to recover content that was apt and got caught in this revert. --DBigXray 09:50, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@DBigXray:, Only the Etymology section. Don't worry I'll re add it. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
thx--DBigXray 10:15, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

The Reason @ LucknowEdit

The 'see also' section of Lucknow was edited due to wrong redirection of the page (List of malls in Lucknow). Whereas, the page was redirected to 'list of malls in India'. The list barely contained any mall of Lucknow (2 Malls). The page (list of malls in India) itself is not sufficient for the info and lacks the content. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upanshu upanshu (talkcontribs) 13:23, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Upanshu upanshu: You have removed the portal as well. And didn't explain anything in the edit summary. You are correct regarding "List of malls in Lucknow". I've changed the entry to "Fun Republic Mall" as there's only one mall from Lucknow in the list. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:56, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!! I apologize for not providing the summary. Upanshu upanshu 20:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upanshu upanshu (talkcontribs)

Upanshu upanshu You are welcome. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:44, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Re:Blamen1/Kalash articleEdit

Dear User:Fylindfotberserk, thanks for your message on my talk page. As I mentioned on the talk page of the article, I think the text authored by Minahan meets WP:RS as its published by ABC-CLIO, and the information contained in the quote parameter of the reference is corroborated by other references in the article. That being said, if others on that talk page wish for the source to be removed, I will honour that consensus. If you wish to start a formal RfC, however, I will participate and share my thoughts there, though it seems we already have input from others about the issue. My main contention would be if User:Blamen1 attempted to remove other references in the article that properly characterize the religious beliefs of the Kalash; others have tried to do this before, exhibiting a pattern of nationalistic editing behaviour sometimes seen in articles related to India-Pakistan-Afghanistan topics. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 20:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Anupam: It seems it would be better to remove the source. Uanfala has also said the same thing.. As for ...others have tried to do this before, exhibiting a pattern of nationalistic editing behaviour sometimes seen in articles related to India-Pakistan-Afghanistan topics., I totally agree with you. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:05, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I never had any issues with other sources or the ancient Hinduism part. My only problem is with Minahan due to its poor research and not even mentioning the faith of Kalash which a publisher name (which too is not always reliable) cannot correct. I hope that eliminates any apprehensions. Blamen1 (talk) 12:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Anupam, Blamen1, Uanfala, I've removed the Minahan source. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)


You are providing wrong Information . I am gonna complaint against you , for providing fake Information and propoganda . Your Data is reverted . Jatin kamra (talk) 13:09, 3 March 2019 (UTC)


You even know about Khatri community , you ever visited India . You even know one person from community , I belong to Khatri community . Your Information is not even 20 Percent is correct . Please stop promoting fake Information . Jatin kamra (talk) 13:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC) @Jatin kamra: Please refrain from making assumptions about me. And Wikipedia relies on sources not your own assumptions - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Internet Wala LoveEdit

Hi! Just wanted to know the reason for your recent edit at the page, where you mentioned WP:NOINDICSCRIPT. There, it is written, "Exceptions are […] and articles on texts originally written in a particular script. [……] A third reason is frequent disagreements over which native scripts to include; this led to a resolution to avoid all of them." Maybe you know better, and I want some guidance here too. See official playlist on YouTube, there it is written "इंटरनेट वाला लव", so there may be no disagreement on this text. Want to know your comments, thanks! M. Billoo 17:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: Thanks for communicating sir. As you've probably read, there had been huge amount of disagreements over this in the past especially related to multilingual stuff. The consensus was a "blanket ban" on Indic scripts in the Leading Paragraph and Infoboxes of all India related articles except the Religion specific articles and the articles about Languages itself. Hope I was able to answer your question - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:00, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring and provide sourceEdit

You need a source to prove that these glorious Bihari empires belonged to Bengalis. You can’t do this, very sad. Please don’t steal history from people greater than you. And no more edit warring. (talk) 16:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

That would mean Bengalis were greater than Biharis at the time of Pala Empire when they subjugated weak biharis at Monghyr and Pataliputra? Don't bring ridiculous communalism here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:46, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Consulting about Copyright issueEdit

Hello , I Sourik8 , edited a page just before some hours, came under a copyright issue. Don't know why ! As I didn't copy paste a single line from . I just read that web page for information and I wrote an article on wiki page of Siliguri by own by help of those information & added that page link as reference. So why copyright issue came for my editing? Sourik8 (talk) 15:50, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@Sourik8: Thanks for communicating. The person who reverted your edits is an administrator. They have access to all those stuff. You can ask him/her why that was a copyright issue. As for the source itself, I personally do not think it is a reliable source. Seems like a business/ promotional website. On the other hand Siliguri Govt. website seems fine since a lot of Indian articles refer govt. sites although a secondary source would be better. I suggest you find some books, newslinks, etc. Those are most reliable. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk : Thank you for sharing these info with me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sourik8 (talkcontribs) 16:01, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@Sourik8: You are welcome. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:16, 10 March 2019 (UTC)


Can you please tell me how can I be a confirmed user on Wikipedia PriyaMishra0121 (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@PriyaMishra0121: You are already an "Confirmed/Autoconfirmed" User. If you are talking about "Extended Confirmed" then you need to make 500 edits. Visit this link WP:UAL. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

And please can you please edit Lahu Luhaan PriyaMishra0121 (talk) 05:38, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@PriyaMishra0121: I'll try. But for now go through Wikipedia and see how a film article is created. Try it in your sandbox. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:04, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


@Fylindfotberserk: Sir, can you tell me that how can a person add a template to his/her userpage that he/she is M.A. in Hindi and P.hD. in Sanskrit? (talk) 07:37, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Pending changes reviewer grantedEdit

Hello. Your account has been granted the "pending changes reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on pages protected by pending changes. The list of articles awaiting review is located at Special:PendingChanges, while the list of articles that have pending changes protection turned on is located at Special:StablePages.

Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.

See also:

Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Salvio giuliano: Thank you very much sir. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:35, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


Judging that you help out on the wrestling articles around here, I would like to invite you to watchlist WT:PW. That is where centralised discussion for professional wrestling articles take place. You will also want to check out and watchlist WP:PW/RS and Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Article alerts. Happy editing. StaticVapor message me! 04:06, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

STATicVapor, I frequently visit WT:PW and WP:PW/RS but haven't watchlisted these pages before until now. Thanks for your suggestion. I've watchlisted all these 3 pages. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah this way you will be able to participate in discussion when they happen, we could always use more POVs. StaticVapor message me! 22:14, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
STATicVapor, Thanks. I'll be always there to help. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:48, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

R1a Haplogroup Page Undo.Edit

Hello, I just wanted to say that I undid your removal of a paragraph on the page Haplogroup R1a. You removed a detail which is sourced, claiming it is unreliable. This source is widely used by researchers. Please stop your disruptive editing. Wow. Editorfornarrativesandparagraphs (talk) 16:13, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Editorfornarrativesandparagraphs, Eupedia is not reliable. Scientific articles need scientific journals. Have you seen Eupedia used in the European section of the article? The claims are quite wrong. It says all Brahmins possess 70% R1a, in reality only Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal Brahmins possessed anything closed to it, 67% and 72% respectively. Brahmins of NW India (Indus region) posses much less R1a the ones in Gangetic plains. Secondly, Eupedia says R1a has lowest occurrence in Southern India among Dravidians. In reality R1a is extremely low in Tibeto-Burman dominated Northeast India. Thirdly many groups from North Western sub-continent show much lower R1a frequencies. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:21, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
This info does not only come from one source. It comes from many other reliable ones. You are prohibited to make edits on wikipedia pages based on the way how YOU view things. I have been warned before for doing this, and you may even get blocked for doing this. By the way, I have seen on your talkpages that you have recieived multiple warnings. I am curious, are you an Indian that you deny this info? Just curious because only Indian people (especially north) deny this information. If you are, then please stop your biased editing. Hope you understand. Thank You!

Editorfornarrativesandparagraphs (talk) 16:27, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Editorfornarrativesandparagraphs, Kindly go through WP:RS. The article needs scientific journals and scientific press releases. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
I've protected the page for a week. Doug Weller talk 17:49, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Using Gallery TemplateEdit

@Fylindfotberserk Gallery template is better but using gallery template can we collage images?? Or , incase of adding images (collage) what should I use? Sourik8 (talk) 14:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Sourik8, Firstly, do not add too many images. Wikipedia is not a repository. If you do, everyone will come here with a picture of their school/college which will be greatly distracting. Go through MOS:IMAGES otherwise Siliguri article might get served with a Template:Too many photos.Secondly, do not add collage in the article body. Check Delhi article which has "Good Article" status. It features only a few number of pictures compared to how big it is. Try to add pics on the "left" and "Right" of the article with simple wikilinks File:XYZ... and if it is necessary, use a "gallery.... /gallery" tag and use images or use a "gallery template" like I did in Siliguri article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:18, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk Thanks for the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sourik8 (talkcontribs) 14:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Common nameEdit

If you have an objection due to COMMONNAME over the name of Prayagraj District, then no doubt you will also have similar objections to the changes taking place on the following page, Astana, where edits have been made to reflect a came change that happened in the last few hours. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 16:55, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Cordyceps-Zombie, People agreed to keep it that way as per WP:COMMONNAME. The discussion is at Talk:Allahabad. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:58, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I am not referring to the settlement but to the district where there has been less discussion and no strong objections, most comments are in support to changing the word order in the opening sentence for the district. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 16:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Cordyceps-Zombie, It doesn't make sense to change the name of the district but keep its capital as Allahabad. It should be discussed there only. I've seen you proposition change here. Kindly do in the Allahabad article as well. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
And only some IPs have agreed to the name change. Need trusted experienced editors to do that. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:05, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
What is your opinion of the situation regarding Astana? Perhaps you could add to the discussion regarding that settlement. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 17:12, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Cordyceps-ZombieI believe we should wait for some time till the new name becomes widely known. That's what WP:COMMONNAME dictates. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Well I suggest you go over to the Astana page and revert back to common name then! Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 08:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Cordyceps-Zombie, There's an RfC going on in the talk page. I've Opposed the name change as you can see here. I can see that the article still keeps "Astana" as the article name with the new name within parenthesis just like in Allahabad. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:02, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
That's actually my doing - using the Allahabad model for consistency. What's good for Allahabad District is also good for Astana! Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Cordyceps-Zombie, Yeah I saw that sir after writing the above reply. That's why I thanked your edit there. For Allahabad, the consensus is to wait until the name gets into the Gazette. I wonder why people are so much in a hurry. People should understand that Wikipedia has its own set of laws. Personally, I want these changes, Prayagraj, Bengaluru, etc but Wikipedian rules need to be followed first. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I think I have finally got my head round how WP:COMMONNAME works on Wikipedia Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 14:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Some caste of UTTARAKHAND are still not added in Wikipedia.Edit

There are various other surnames which are not a part of article on uttarakhand. I would suggest to add some known surnames on Uttarakhand article, so that it would describe this state much clearly Indian caste (talk) 10:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Indian caste, We do not put surnames in State articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:02, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Vijay(actor) article 2019 upgrade since i dont know how to add this to the article help its not showing edit articleEdit

better source for early life and familyEdit

His sibling Vidhya's story is depicted in the 2005 film Sukran, where Vijay played an extended cameo as a lawyer.

Political seeing or viewsEdit

In 2018, during an audio launch when the interviewer questioned Vijay that "What you will do if you become the chief minister of state Tamil Nadu?" Vijay took the question in hypothetical manner and replied that "If I ever become a CM in real life, I won't be acting as a CM but do my duties honestly".

"The first thing I want to change if I become the CM is corruption. The state needs a good leader, only when the leader is corrupt free, will the others below him also be without corruption. Justice and righteousness will win but might take some time."

—Vijay's take on good leader in politics[1]

In the media and other worksEdit

Vijay's twitter account was ranked at the 8th spot for most talked about Indian celebrities of 2018 by Twitter India.

he was ranked #26 in 2018 Forbes celebrity 100 list based on earnings of indian celebrities.

lead section changesEdit

Some of his film works were screened at the -add the below with sources

Grand Rex France

Hainan International Film Festival China

@Kastromas: I will try to help but I don't think we should use IndiaGlitz source as it is considered unreliable. And I think the 'CM' part is also trivial. As for twitter and screening, it probably can be used. For now kindly raise your concern at Talk:Vijay (actor). Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:46, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: people like you only can improve this article since its outdated and I have given indiaglitz source because atleast it can be added as a source eventhough its unreliable since they have used a blog as a source for that sentence in that article. many regards upgrade the article to the latest form and one more change he has acted in 62 movies as lead actor and also add one BIFAN Award Korea to the notable award list in lead section. source and also about the CM part its not trivial it should be used because he has got a lot of poltical views and he has plans to enter politics and become CM in the near future so kindly add it in his other works section. Thanks Kastromas (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
@Kastromas: Kindly wait for sometime. I'll add what is relevant as per your suggestion in near future. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Shockingly enough, this is just another sock of Bothiman. If you get anyone making requests like this related to the Vijay article, it's a Bothiman sock. They don't use the article talk page anymore because they know it's just going to tip off who they are. Ravensfire (talk) 16:49, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
@Ravensfire: Oh damn. I thought it to be a rather innocent request. Thanks for informing me sir. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:00, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
  1. ^ "Vijay about corruption in politics and good leader". 14 March 2019. Retrieved 03 October 2018. Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

Kamarupa PrakritEdit

Your inserted Bihar in Kamarupi Prakrit, but the information is based on K L Baruah, and this is not longer considered correct. The Kamarupi Prakrit was the language of Kamarupa, confined to the boundary of Kamarupa. Chaipau (talk) 13:15, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

@Chaipau: I believe we remove any mention of modern regions corresponding to the historic Kamrupa. For that Kamrupa article is enough. In the infobox of Kamarupi Prakrit, it is better to only mention "Kamrupa" like in other old language articles like Magadhi Prakrit, Sauraseni Prakrit, etc. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:21, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your edit. I agree. Chaipau (talk) 13:44, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

History of FaizabadEdit

This is regarding the edit you undone on [History of Faizabad]. There is a confusion among editors that the Yogi government has changed the name of Faizabad city to Ayodhya. In reality the name of the district is changed to Ayodhya. This article is referring to Faizabad city, therefore mention of district name change is not of importance in this article. Ansh467 (talk) 08:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Kamarupa EditEdit

What do you meant by disruptive edit ? How can Ahom have any relation in Kamarupa kingdom ? Kamarupa kingdom ended in 12th century and Ahom arrived in Sivasagar in 13th century . why are you giving unneccessary information ? If love to write Ahom name everywhere then write it in Ahom page not in unrelated page. If you need more information of Kamarupa then go to this official website of India Stop adding uneccessary Ahom name everywhere. Have ever compared kamarupa and Ahom kingdom. And Ahom never ruled entire ASSAM. It's just alliance . — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talkcontribs) 09:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@PerfectingNEI: There is no reason to believe your source is more reliable. For WP:NPOV, do not delete sources from established writers. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:43, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Do you understand meaning of National Information Council ? btw , I'm not talking about reliability of Your so called information. But it's unrelated. So delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talkcontribs) 09:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@PerfectingNEI: Govt. sources are WP:PRIMARY and Wikipedia should source reliable secondary sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Don't think i'm fool. Information should be real and true. There are lots of Fake information pages by Ahom. BTW , I'm not interested to discuss about source. I'm talking about relation Kamarupa before 12th cent and Ahom after 13th cent . So, How can you give unrelated AHOM information. This proves your are an AHom and Your clear propoganda is to spread AHOM AHOM AHOM . But in reality Ahom don't exist. AHOM = ORGANISATION. Which finished so long ago since there is no Tai king today. Today's Ahom are ... haha — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talkcontribs) 09:56, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@PerfectingNEI: You deleted sourced info that's why I reverted. If you think the article is Pro-Ahom, you discuss in its talk page and make it Neutral. I can readd the Cooch-Bihar info since it supports Samudragupta's part but it doesn't deny that anything about Ahom's invasion into parts of Kamarupa. :You can call me Ahom, I've been called a lot of things, American, Russian, Indian, Anti-Indian, Bengali, Bihari, Punjabi, Tamil, Pakistani, Hindu Nationalitst, Anti Sikh, Anti-Hindu, Anti-Muslim, Pro-Indo-Aryan. I don't care. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:04, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

If you wanna you are unbiased then go to this page and remove all unreliable sources. Lachit was Ahom general but He was not Tai origin. He was Chutia Tribe origin. His father was Mumai Tamuly. Ahom are spreading full of fake information. Correct those information and Lock it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talkcontribs) 10:11, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@PerfectingNEI:, Ahom's invaded Kamrupa and Ahom included people from the previous kingdoms into its fold. So Lachit Borphukan is an Ahom as well. Consider that Tibetans and East Turkestanis are Chinese nationals as well. I've readded that Cooch-Biahr link you provided. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Ahom is different from Tai . Lachit was Ahom but not Tai origin. He was Chutia Tribe origin,. Anyway , I'm tired goodbye. Ahom try create their image by relating everything with ahom kingdom. But in northeast, there was 4 kingdoms . Chutia , Kachari , Koch , Tripura kingdom of genetically same origin people . One example of Ahom propaganda - Silk was available in Assam since 1500BC . All kings and rich people used it and there was trade with Aryans and Silk information was written in Arthasastra. But Ahom try to add their name by claiming Ahom gave royal patronage to silk. These type of writings clearly prove Ahom Propaganda . Ahom were defeated 2 times and saraighat and helped by nearby kingdoms but ahom try to portray only they have own the battle. They are master of lies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talkcontribs) 10:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@PerfectingNEI: I agree with some of the things you say but in Wikipedia has its own laws. See Bangalore article name hasn't been changed to Bengaluru since there's a rule against this type of change. Ff you have valid points with reliable sources to counter act what's written in an article, go to talk page. If not convinced, you can go to DRN. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:48, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Fylindfotberserk, i do agree with PerfectingNEI, there are unnecessary medieval information pushed in to the ancient kingdom article. Also 'Kamarupa'/'Kamrup' is a geographical area, the article title should be Kamarupa kingdom (4th-12th century) ? Greetings.भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 18:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Bhaskarbhagawati, Since Ahom kingdom established itself in 1228 after Sukaphaa entered Brahmaputra Valley and since Brahmaputra Valley was under Kamarupa kingdom, it is likely that Ahoms were contemporary of the Chutiyas, Kamatapuris and Dimasas atleast initially. So I believe Ahom can be mentioned in the infobox of Kamarupa as a successor state which was removed by PerfectingNEI. Chaipau, would you weigh in? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Fylindfotberserk i agree with you, the Kamarupa Kingdom initially covered western valley, after few centuries moved towards central Assam by acquiring Davaka Kingdom, eastern Assam even later (vide Kanak Lal Barua). After 12th century, valley was ruled by multiple kingdoms as you mentioned. Ahom Kingdom mostly limited to east valley like Chutiya Kingdom, although in its closing years it occupied Kamrup proper in eastern part of western valley, it remained fitful and challenged by local powers (vide Banikanta Kakati). In contrast, Kamata Kingdom covered area exactly as Kamarupa Kingdom as in its formative stage. In that context i believe PerfectingNEI has weight ?भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 12:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I have restored it. The traditional boundary of Kamarupa is given in the map, and it covers entire Assam and more. After the breakup of Kamarupa, the seat of kingdoms were: Kamatapur in North Bengal (Kamata), Charaideo (Ahoms), Sadiya (Chutiya) and Dimapur (Kachari). The Kamrup region was the domain of the Baro Bhuyans, and it never was the seat of any kingdom. Chaipau (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Chaipau thanks, but you forgetting Guwahati (Pragjyotishpura]) and North Guwahati (Durjaya) are in modern Kamrup. The map of Kamarupa Kingdom is in its height. Kamata Kingdom do included modern Kamrup, North Bengal and parts of west Assam (the old Kamrup) while other capitals you mentioned are in east and south Assam.भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 13:54, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Pragjyotishpura stopped being a capital after 650AD. Durjaya was abandoned for Kamarupanagara, which was again abandoned in 1250 or so. Since then Kamrup region has not had a capital, except for a brief period under Raghudev in the late 16th early 17th centuries. Chaipau (talk) 16:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
What you are saying is right, but needs some clearing. Pragjyotishpura is capital of Varman dynasty (first and most illustrious dyanasty of Kamarupa Kingdom) which ended on date specified by you, so is capital. Durjaya and Kamarupanagara (for very short period) are both in close geographical proximity, i.e. in North Guwahati. With end of last dynasty of Kamarupa Kingdom, i.e. Pala dynasty capital almost shifted from North Guwahati by next political entity. So, i agree with you that Kamarupa Kingdom is only kingdom native to Kamarupa region, but in case of territory Kamata Kingdom can claim itself as successor, as said by above editor.भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 16:31, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── The Kamata kings have themselves chosen not to claim the legacy of Kamarupa: they called themselves "Kamateshwars", not "Pragjyotishadhipatis". And they controlled probably less than 10% of the Kamarupa kingdom. You cannot make them say what they did not. The Ahoms, OTOH, were the only ones to claim the Kamarupa legacy explicitly. Chaipau (talk) 16:51, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Both the kingdoms did not claim any Kamarupa Kingdoms titles, while Ahom Kingdom limited mostly to eastern valley, Kamata Kingdom do covered original Kamarupa Kingdom, although Kamarupa Kingdom in its height covered parts of many modern Indian states plus parts of few modern countries.भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 17:04, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


Can you watch Arvind Kejriwal, it is election season and vandals are having a blast there. User:Arjayay and myself are often outnumbered. --DBigXray 07:10, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@DBigXray: Yeah, no problem. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:01, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Your recurring edits on IndoreEdit

Your repeated edits on Indore are contradictory to your sources cited by yourself. Also, a regional language does not mean every language spoken in an area, a language that is native and has higher number of speakers than others compared. This strikes out Sindhi, Gujarati, Punjabi and Urdu to qualify as prime regional language of the region in question here. Malvi and Nimadi being the native languages of Indore. References for you to consider -

""C-16 Population By Mother Tongue - Town Level"". Office of the Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India. Retrieved Mar 30, 2019., Varghese, Bijumon, Mathews John and Nelson Samuel. "The Malvi-speaking people of Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan: a sociolinguistic profile" (PDF). SIL International. Retrieved Mar 30, 2019.CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list (link), ""Malvi - Ethnologue"". Eberhard, David M., Gary F. Simons, and Charles D. Fennig (eds.). 2019. Ethnologue: Languages of the World. Retrieved Mar 30, 2019., ""C-16 Population By Mother Tongue - Town Level"". Office of the Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India. Retrieved Mar 30, 2019.

When unsourced text is deleted you are not supposed to re-add it without providing a reliable source. See WP:BURDEN. In this particular case, you need not bother, because it is off-topic anyway, and it will get deleted.

TheodoreIndiana (talk) 05:58, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Furthermore, if you're still confused on the issue, open up a discussion on the article's talk page. —TheodoreIndiana (talk) 06:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Sir,

Thanks for your reply & suggest me Guidelines, you are requested to can you suggest me how to add link in "References", seeing many other website link. please suggest me.


Regarding similar edits and using same imagesEdit

I want to mind you that me, user:Sourik8 and user:Atul8 has no relation so far and both the account is of different users.So in any time if any same kind of edits done by both these accounts, I'm not responsible for this. If you have any suggestions then let me know. Sourik8 (talk) 18:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Sourik8, OK but take care. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:57, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding edits in saraswat brahmin pageEdit

Since there is separate page for food cuisine.Those information from primary source is redundant.Do revert if you find that as a valid .Search “saraswat cuisine “. Thank you Joshi punekar (talk) 12:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

It is not redundant. Ethnic articles can have a brief mention of traditional cuisine and food habits for example Marathi people and Marathi cuisine. We cite books, journals and news articles. You also removed more than food related things in your edit which were sourced by news articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:05, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Main thing for creating separate section is to avoid conflict,Saraswath Brahmin is a vast community with many varieties of community,but here all the sentence are generalised.Weather it is applied for GSB,CSB,RSB,SB,Punjabi saraswat,Gujarati saraswat or Kashmiri pandits,Bhatras,Kaul?.In these list 70% are vegetarian but that statement is misleading.Thats why we can to this solution of categorising in a separate page.Hope this is clear. Joshi punekar (talk) 15:21, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Hope you understood my concern about the issue.waiting for your reply. Joshi punekar (talk) 17:02, 8 April 2019 (UTC) Joshi punekar (talk) 13:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


Birth date of Sidhu Moosewala is 11 June 1993. I am fed up of correcting it and u r the one who keeps on changing it. I dont know how to add citation but for your kind information u can comtact him directly — Preceding unsigned comment added by SatnamSinghKing (talkcontribs) 13:17, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

@SatnamSinghKing: You can't force something which is not sourced. BBC is a well known source. Find reliable sources like Times of India, Indian Express, etc. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Need HelpEdit

Hi frnd , can you semi-lock this page - Some random people trying to change the real information — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectingNEI (talkcontribs) 16:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

@PerfectingNEI:It would require large number of vandalism from different IPs. The article is a mess with substantial original searches. I've put a tag. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:08, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Make Hinduism page ProtectedEdit

Plz can u lock the page of Hinduism as it is a sensitive page and is needed to safeguarded against vandalism. Srijanx22 (talk) 12:30, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

How it became mythological?Edit

The Saraswats are a sub-group of Hindu Brahmins of India who trace their ancestry to the banks of the Sarasvati River.Saraswat Brahmins are highest order brahmins with high literacy.The saraswat Brahmins are mentioned in vedas,Ramayana,Mahabharata,bhagawata and bhavishyat purana.They are descendants of great saraswata muni.[1][2]

With citation I am keeping the info ,May I know in which basis you reverted ? Joshi punekar (talk) 12:57, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

^ Kaw, M. K. (2001). Kashmiri Pandits: Looking to the Future. APH Publishing. p. 32. ISBN 9788176482363. Retrieved 9 April 2019. ^ last1=Tambs|first1=Herald|title=Business Brahmins: The Gauda Saraswat Brahmins of South Kanara|Date =2011|Publisher=Manohar|isbn=9788173049026 Joshi punekar (talk) 13:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

With citation I am telling these things in that I have removed 100% literacy word and avoided any exaggerated word.What is your POV ?So this is mythological and saint eat fish is real?I know you are Indian but I doubt about your POV it seems you are trying to prove your perception as truth.If not come to discussion. Joshi punekar (talk) 13:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Seems like one sided perception?.Really I am feeling like you just want to keep your POV there. Still I didn’t get justification of news paper references(which is Not from editorial board). Secondly this mythology propaganda,tell me above statement how it comes under mythology.(Let me start editing some other pages since mythology is there in that)

Joshi punekar (talk) 15:21, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

@Joshi punekar: Kindly follow WP:INDENT. It gets really difficult to read your posts. And I've told you multiple times, Legendary stuff gets deleted in this article. See [7]. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk I don’t know how you are feeling difficult to study message but after that discussion they came to conclusion as like pure baseless mythology should not be there but statement like “they have mentioned in Mahabharata,Ramayan “doesn’t become mythology. What about the newspaper reference? Joshi punekar (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

@Joshi punekar:Which one? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:41, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Fylindfotberserk see above talks in that mentioning migration and sharing information about mentioning caste name in Ramayana,Mahabharata etc it’s like sharing information not blind mythology .

Even 2 citation I have given all are standard book not news paper.

Joshi punekar (talk) 15:46, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk Migration was different topic but I had mentioned like where the caste name has been mentioned but you deleted that also but when coming to Ravan issue(Ravana is real as per you) everything reverted.

Joshi punekar (talk) 20:49, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Don’t involve in edit warringEdit

If you can reply please nearly welcome for discussion with citations.If not atleast give respect to wiki policy and don’t involve in edit warring to prove your POV. regards, Joshi punekar (talk) 15:42, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Joshi punekar, You are the one edit warring here with me, DBigXRay and others. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:44, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk Once again it’s your POV your are reverting like dictator without giving justification.So obviously your are edit warring with me isn’t it? See talk page still you didn’t replied.It seems you are proving POV.

Joshi punekar (talk) 15:52, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Joshi punekar, I can see only this source from your previous edits. It mentions a mythical migration of Saraswats from Kashmir to Konkan and how they started eating fish. Since it is legendary, it was removed by me and was removed in the past by veteran editors as well. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:04, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk I am no way concerned about that information at all.3 Books mentions that SB are mentioned in vedas ,Mahabharata m,Ramayan and bhavishyad puran.Now How this statement become mythological obviously this is an informative sentence . Joshi punekar (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


Hey User,

This is to state that I had been editing the contents on profile and those are the true facts to my knowledge. I am acquainted with the family and hence I provided the useful informations regarding his personal life, political life and his family.

Considering imdb link as a non reliable source isn't going good as it was just for a reference of the person identity.

in case of any doubts you may directly contact mr tiwari also well known as pandit ji and his sons.

please bring me those edits back. as they are true and fact to my knowledge.

I am acknowledging the information provided.

Please write back so that we may clear everything out.

here is the link mentioned below :

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmesiddie (talkcontribs) 18:22, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

@Callmesiddie: Go through WP:RS first. Even if I take interview of Tiwari, it would be of no good use if it doesn't get published in a reliable newspaper. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

family informationEdit


I got your point, but what I wanna state is, I have provided his family details adding his sister and brothers name to the page.

I can provide the govt issued id of the concerned person as they does exist.

I was just concerned about the family tree and the things should be known to the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmesiddie (talkcontribs) 18:30, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Would require a third party source to ascertain that who are his relative. His father is mentioned in the govt. source, so it got added. And the other relatives' detailed info is not needed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:51, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

About your recent revert in deshastha pageEdit

The information is neither racist nor genetic study nor mythological .Hope you have see the citation. Joshi punekar (talk) 18:53, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Or just go through reference and then revert if you find any genetic information there. Joshi punekar (talk) 18:54, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

But don’t involve in edit warring.I know wiki policy that’s why with confidence I am keeping that information.First Talk then action .

Joshi punekar (talk) 19:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
@Joshi punekar:I've seen the citation. Race theories based on physical characteristics is a strict non no. It has been thoroughly discussed in 8-9 years back and the consensus was to delete them. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:22, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

FylindfotberserkCan you share a link of decision about Physical characteristics? I know negative racial comment based on colour was banned ,Genetics was banned.If you have link of decision page for this cs you share? Joshi punekar (talk) 11:37, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Jatinder Shah page editingEdit

Hello, Fylindfotberserk. It's me, We are the Great. I just want to inform you that when you edited the Punjabi music composer Jatinder Shah page, you deleted Band Vaaje (Punjabi Movie) and Chandigarh Amritsar Chandigarh (another Punjabi Movie). Don't you know that these movies had Jatinder Shah compose the music. When I saw the release poster of Chandigarh Amritsar Chandigarh, I saw that the music was composed by Jatinder Shah. Also, Band Vaaje was produced by Jatinder Shah and Pooja Gujral in their Shah and Shah Productions, which meant that he also composed the music, too. You shouldn't delete the 2 movies which musics' are composed by Jatinder Shah. @We are the Great: That's because we need to add only those films that have Wikipedia articles. Create the articles first then add in his filmography without any problem. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

So then you should create the articles in his filmography, because I don't know how to create those articles, and that somebody will delete that article. I have learned one thing though, that Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, because many people edit and delete it without noticing, and that these websites were a help to Wikipedia. Sincerely, We are the Great.We are the Great (talk) 02:34, 17 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by We are the Great (talkcontribs) 02:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@We are the Great: Somebody has created one article though which stays. And yes Wikipedia is not reliable but we try to be one by putting content supported by reliable sources so that a reader can cross verify the references if he/she wishes. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

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Good work never goes unappreciated. Thanks a lot for your contributions in actively combating vandalism on wikipedia, especially of the WP:LTA type that need specialist eyes. Keep up the good work. DBigXray 09:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@DBigXray: Thank you very much sir from the bottom of my heart. I apologize for not being able to reply to you on time. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:59, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

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‎Deletion of reliable Indian Government sourced content from Indian state articlesEdit

Can we continue the discussion about Maharashtra geography, and Goa. Why Britannica has to be the only source for discussing states? In Goa, we should write southwestern like it is written for Kerala and Karnataka. In Andhra Pradesh, it was written southeast and Telangana is centre south. Everywhere in Wikipedia, many places are written like this. So why we cannot write more than one direction for Maharashtra and Goa also? BelgaumGoan (talk) 23:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@BelgaumGoan: Oh somebody has deleted it in the Goa article again. Kindly revert it back. As for Maharashtra, let it stay that way. That's what the experienced editors agreed to in WP:IN. As you've probably seen, I was advocating in favor of govt. sources after you put them in articles, but it seems (suggested by all other editors) that the opening line/lead of a state article need to be as simple as possible and the govt. sources may not be correct from a wider global perspective probably since states are categorized in different zones by different institutes. So I'd respect the consensus.
Why Britannica has to be the only source for discussing states?. Exactly that were my words in the WP:IN and in the User's talk page who initially deleted it. But atleast the Britannica definition is not that specific. It covers wider geographical region. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:24, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Although they are experienced editors, it is not the right thing to ignore many sources which say Maharashtra is also south and centre. We have to continue the discussion. Otherwise, all states of South except tamil nadu have multiple directions written. Why are there different rules for them? I am also adding a talk to Gotitbro. BelgaumGoan (talk) 00:13, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
@BelgaumGoan:Technically south-west, etc is a geographical term and as I've explained to you already, the current opening sentence covers west, south and central regions. Personally, I feel Maharashtra is more west-central than south-central. IF you want, you can continue the discussion, but I'll say the current version is probably the best. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:31, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Central is not covered in opening sentence. Deccan and Peninsular point to southern.
I think konkan is south west and other parts of Maharashtra is central south, but it is my opinion. But all of us agree central is also big part of Maharashtra. BelgaumGoan (talk) 04:20, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
@BelgaumGoan: Kindly see Deccan plateau article. The opening line says The Deccan Plateau[1] is a large plateau in western and southern India and the second para says It extends over eight Indian states and encompasses a wide range of habitats, covering most of central and southern India. As you can see western, southern and central are all covered. I rest my case. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Okay, but so Deccan covers western also, right? Then why we have to say western separately, but not southern or central? If you don't add south or centre, atleast remove western which is also mentioned indirectly. BelgaumGoan (talk) 13:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
That's because "western peninsular part" is sourced from Britannica which according to all other editors is more reliable. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:28, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────@Fylindfotberserk: I think we are going into circle because again I am saying Britannica is not the only source. We should include all the thousand other sources. But this time I am going to explain.

  1. Only one editor Gotitbro said that only the Britannica source should be used. I think other users, like Abecadere are okay to consider other source and mention other geography directions.
  2. According to Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Citing sources it is supposed to mention all different sources. You should not copy-paste from one source only. Entire first paragraph of Maharashtra is almost just copied from Britannica.
  3. If you are using Britannica source, why didn't you quote exactly how Britannica said? Britannica said that "occupying a substantial portion of the Deccan plateau" before it said "western peninsular part". It sounds like small difference but I think it means that Deccan plateau is more significant identity of Maharashtra than western peninsular part as why it is mentioned before. And I agree.
  4. Britannica also said in the western peninsular part "of the subcontinent", not even India. Subcontinent means all of South Asia, its different from saying India. Since you wanted to say about India, so definitely you should also consult another source which mentions directly India.
  5. Britannica is also saying different things about Maharashtra.
    1. Britannica article on Mumbai says Maharashtra is southwestern state.
    2. Britannica Kids article of Maharashtra said it is west-central.
    3. Marathi language of western and central India.
    4. Britannica said that Gondwana is only central India, and some part of Maharashtra is Gondwana. So Britannica says at a least part of Maharashtra is central.
  6. I think your logic to use Britannica is it is a encyclopedia. There are other encyclopedias. They are not as much famous but still they are also written by experts.
    1. State in west central India
    2. Ellora is a sacred site in Maharastra, central India.
  7. And why using Britannica rule is not applying to other articles, South India states? Telangana is having very similar opening line to Maharashtra, "Telangana is a state in India situated on the centre-south stretch of the Indian peninsula on the high Deccan Plateau." but still it mentions different directions. For Telangana you do not remove south and centre if it is written as Deccan?
  8. So many thousand of news articles and government sources are there. Kautilya3 says do not give a preference to the government source. But also it was wrong to do opposite if you are completely ignoring government source. Government of India source is at least as much reliable as British Encyclopedia. BelgaumGoan (talk) 03:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
@BelgaumGoan: Probably you've seen me fight with GotitBro regarding the use of Britannica and inclusion of multiple regions in his talk page as well as in WP:IN. He was not totally in favor of Britannica either. Probably you missed that Kautilya and Abecedare were not in favor of using Govt. sources. What can I do if the majority are against multi-regional definition in the lead? Abecedare agreed on the definition of Maharashtra, Goa, Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh put by me as per Britannica and but you can see Fowler changed UP back to "northern" India from "north-west part" of India. As per him Wikipedia is an art not a science and provided some logic which is believable but didn't comment on why Germany is both a Western and Central European country. Previously, it was about Poland as well. I believe it would be best to discuss in the Maharashtra talk page itself similar to what has been done in the Poland talkpage. It is difficult to change something which is longstanding if the majority do not agree. However, Abecedare and Fowler seemed to have agreed to inclusion of govt. definitions somewhere in the article "body" under "Administration" perhaps. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:41, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
I saw Kautilya3 only commented at beginning,they said gov't source should not be preferred but did not say it should be excluded.Did Kautilya3 comment somewhere else they agree with current version of Maharashtra article?
Where are govt definitions later in article? And much more people are reading first line than a paragraph in middle of article. So from neutral perspective if all definitions should be considered then all should be added at beginning.
Am also adding talk to Gotitbro and Abecedare. BelgaumGoan (talk) 03:01, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

regarding those changes made in hari shankar tiwari wikiEdit


I understood you dont want imdb link to be added as a source, but if you have seen the link I used as the citation, there it is mentioned about kamini dube, and like his other family members I wanted to add the works done by her and hence I added not any new thing apart from the published article, I have added those things only, I don't understand why did you removed that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmesiddie (talkcontribs) 18:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Callmesiddie: The article is about Hari Shankar Tiwari and not of Kamini Dube. So apart from the fact that she is a film producer and his daughter, nothing is relevant. You want to add other stuff, you should create her own article at Wikipedia. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Even you have kept some wrong information, there is no place called "TARA" rather its "TANDA, a village in Gorakhpur"

you have even made those change, 

and regarding my addition stuffs even there is mention a little about his sons Vinay Shankar and bhishma Shankar. So I just wanted to add a little about his daughter. I understand this article is about Hari Shankar Tiwari and things there has to be relevant to him, but adding a little about his family wont be a wrong idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmesiddie (talkcontribs) 18:57, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Rahul GandhiEdit

I think full name of Rahul Gandhi must be used in his article to avoid confusion between multiple 'Gandhis' in the Gandhi Family. Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 15:49, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Not the norm to write Rahul Gandhi in every sentence. Only surnames are used. Check any Good article or a Featured article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
But in this case it is quite ambiguous as many prominent personalities with same surname are mentioned in the article. Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 15:56, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
It happens a lot in other BLPs too. Readers would understand we are talking about the subject. If it is about Rajeev or Indira Gandhi, it would be addressed with their full name in Rahul's article. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:05, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Gourav ChoudharyEdit

Hii! I'm CptViraj. Thank you for informing me. I will add proper reference. CptViraj (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

@CptViraj: You are welcome. And kindly visit WP:RS. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:56, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: I'm sorry! But please add his religion 'Hinduism'. You can clearly say he is hindu by his name.
@CptViraj: Religion, caste, ethnicity are sensitive things in Wikipedia and needs reliable sources. A 'Chaudhary' can be a Muslim or a Sikh as well. He can be a convert to Buddhism or he can be an Atheist. We cannot write that without sources. Regards - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:03, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Oh! Actually i'm new to Wikipedia Editing! I'm learning things. Thank you for your help! And i will not add anything without reliable source. Thank Again! Regards - CptViraj


What is the reasoning for placing Goa in Southwestern or southern India? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goingoan (talkcontribs) 13:05, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Not in southern India but southwestern coast of India. There's a difference. And Britannica source says it so. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Giriraj Singh Caution on Edit WarringEdit

Although I blocked the IP editor for 31 hours for disruptive editing, I must advise you that you should not involve yourself in what could be perceived as edit warring, particularly where some of your reversion edit summaries stated they may have been in good faith by the other editor. NJA (t/c) 14:34, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

NJA, I apologize sir. I got carried away since he didn't listen to my request to come to the talk page as per WP:BRD. Secondly, it seemed sockpuppetry since the same thing have been done by the named user after I reverted his edits before this IP came along. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I understand. Just be careful as you could have ended up with a block as well. Also see my response on his talk page here. If you have evidence of suspected sock use provide me the evidence and / or report it to the appropriate admin page for an investigation. NJA (t/c) 14:45, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
NJA, This by the named user and this by the IP. It is obvious since the IP made all of his/her edits on Giriraj Singh. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:52, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
  • I just checked both talk page and above discussion and would advise you to be careful with accusations you make per WP:ASPERSIONS. Shashank5988 (talk) 14:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
That accusation has evidence. How come an IP directly comes and reverts my edits just a few hours after I've reverted yours without simply removing and editing stuff in the article. I could have very well reported you based on the evidence. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:02, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
If this is what you consider as "evidence", then you are welcome to start an investigation right now with such baseless "evidence" but before that you may want to read WP:BOOMERANG. Shashank5988 (talk) 15:23, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
That's evidence enough to start an investigation. Whether it is sockpuppetry, meat puppetry or just another IP having similar thoughts is another thing. Besides I just wanted you or atleast the IP to talk as per WP:BRD since it would be WP:STATUSQUO. People got banned for adding/removing "spaces". The only reason I didn't report you is because it happened only once. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:35, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Starting an investigation does not guarantee any sanctions on the reported editor but often backfires if the allegation is baseless. At best you had only asked why I am removing the titles and I had clarified that through edit summary. If you ever find yourself in this situation again then you should seek WP:3O and also assume WP:AGF. Shashank5988 (talk) 15:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
It is your duty to talk (not mine) after your edits get reverted. Probably you should follow WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO. You make BOLD edits -> it gets REVERTED -> you DISCUSS; that's how it should be done. You and the IP should have talked in the talkpage. Kindly do not lecture me on good faith when you got warned multiple times yourself. I have maintained good faith by not reporting you after the first IP revert of my edits. And do not reply anymore. Peace out. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
I am many times as co-incidence while on editing and stopping Vandalism like in Saaho on checking history come across to you doing same. Accept the Barnstar for your Anti-vandalism work. Lots of Love Manupriy Ahluwalia (talk) 03:01, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

@Manupriy Ahluwalia: Thank you very much sir from the bottom of my heart. Happy editing. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:21, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Jannat Zubair RahmaniEdit

@Fylindfotberserk: I'm not agree of your edit on Jannat Zubair Rahmani. Her brother Ayaan is notable! Ayaan played roles in many tv shows as a child actor and he was also appeared in film Gully Boy and Ayaan has 2 million followers on TikTok. - CptViraj (talk) 07:11, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


@Fylindfotberserk: I'll use sandbox for test editings from now. Actually I had not clear idea about use of sandbox. I'm learning, thanks for the suggestion. Sourik8 (talk) 15:43, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Changing the name of articleEdit

Punjabi Ekta Party is registered as Punjab Ekta Party by election commission of india So please help in changing the name to Punjab Ekta Party. Kumarsambhrd (talk) 13:24, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@Kumarsambhrd: Can you provide a link from the Election commission of India which says the name is "Punjab Ekta Party". It will be needed to justify the name change. Of all the references in the article, 3 says "Punjabi" and 2 says "Punjab". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:53, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

i have a pdf file for that

@Kumarsambhrd: Don't you have a link of the PDF file? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: In this you will see the latest notice of 5th april. When you download it finally SI no. 2330 Punjab Ekta Party can be clearly seen.
@Kumarsambhrd: I've changed the name as per your suggestion. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:38, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: same goes for Punjab Front it has been registered as Nawaan Punjab Party

Please change the name. Link is same which i have given earlier

@Kumarsambhrd: The last one (Punjab Ekta Party) was a small cosmetic change (only one letter 'i') and many citations in the article were already naming it "Punjab Ekta Party" beside ECI, and also the "redirect" was simple. So the name change could be done easily. In case of Punjab Front, the name change you are suggesting is totally different "Nawan Punjab Party". Secondly, you have to provide reliable source that Punjab Front = Nawaan Punjab Party since no source in the Punjab Front article calls it "Nawan Punjab Party". Thirdly, it is likely a lot of election related articles are using the name "Punjab Front", so if we change the article name, it will link to a redlinker (no article). Fourth, you have to convince a lot of people, the contributors and creator of the article as well as other 2019 election articles for the change. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:08, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

Always appreciate when you hit that "thank" button. :) StaticVapor message me! 08:35, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@STATicVapor: Thanks man. That was just a small token of appreciation for the awesome work you are doing in Pro-wrestling related articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:30, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Wrestling statsEdit

I see you revertedmy edit of Lex Luger's page, I have to say the height you are using is inaccurate. I've been a wrestling fan for over 30 years and have cross referenced multiple cites confirming a lot of WWE's official stats on their site are wrong. WWE while being the official source is not always the most credible. Many of the stats they're using are outdated from wrestler profiles 20+ years ago. If you are a wrestling fan I encourage you to do some research and examine the stats in comparison to cross referenced sources from several other sites and I think you will see they consistently don't match up. Hunterb212 (talk) 14:24, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@Hunterb212: As per WP:PW, the industry specific sites are considered to be the most reliable, so is superior. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Like I said you should do some more research in regards to that, their stats are outdated and just because they are the official source does not make them the most accurate. I've been wrestling fan probably longer than you and have seen stats, heard them announced and researched them extensively. has several stats that are outdated and erroneous but if you choose to believe everything they say without question, that's your prerogative.
@Hunterb212: It doesn't matter what you or I believe. I'd repeat that the industry specific sources are considered most reliable here in Wikipedia. And in reliaty, Luger today doesn't look anywhere near 275 lbs, as suggested by your wrestling-data source. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)


I removed the Twitter reference here as a more reliable source (Firstpost) was found for the information. As per Wikipedia:Twitter-EL, even if it isn't illegal to use Twitter as a source sometimes, a more reliable publication would be preferred, yes? Since the information can easily be proved from other sources, can the Twitter link be removed? Thanks, DeluxeVegan (talk) 17:16, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@DeluxeVegan: Actually twitter links from verified accounts of a notable person, in this case Taran Adarsh, can be used and similar links have been used in many articles. Even "cite tweet" template is provided for sourcing purpose in the article body. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:22, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
I know that, but wouldn't it be preferred to use a better source as a publication if it can be found? Someone once expressed qualms about using tweets as sources at WT:ICTF. Thanks, DeluxeVegan (talk) 17:25, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
@DeluxeVegan: I myself never liked tweets as sources and have talked against it many times. But it seems some new editors are using "verified tweets" across multiple articles. For now, I'm going to delete the tweet from the marketing part since it is NOT dated "8 March". The infobox can be kept I believe since it talks about the release date. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:29, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
K, thanks. DeluxeVegan (talk) 17:33, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
@DeluxeVegan: Forgot to mention this policy as per which, verified tweets can be used as sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
I am not sure if that policy would apply here as it specifically mentions self-published primary sources, and Taran Adarsh or any analyst isn't a primary source (If they were, we shouldn't be using them for financials as that would lead to another issue on corruption in Indian cinema). For now, I will abstain from removing verified account Twitter sources, as you say. Thanks, DeluxeVegan (talk) 19:47, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────@DeluxeVegan:It will be a primary source since he had uploaded it. Consider, you write a book which has an image made by somebody else, YYour book will be a primary source for the image - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:00, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Nikhil KhuranaEdit

Hello! I see that other users are repeatedly trying to insert a birthdate for this actor, citing Instagram. Of course you are correct that Instagram is not regarded as a reliable source. But it might be helpful for you to point that out, in your edit summaries or on the talk page, instead of just reverting. It would be even better if a reliable source could be found for his birthdate! Meanwhile I have semiprotected the page for a week. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:47, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@MelanieN: Thanks a lot sir. I've written "Unsourced" multiple times in the edit summary before. Even if it is Instagram, the IPs don't seem to bother tagging a ref either. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)


@Fylindfotberserk: Since You have reverted the edit. Does this article obey Wikipedia rule ? Almost all links are dead. There is no citation. I'm thinking about reporting the article and anyone who loves to keep the fake information PerfectingNEI (talk) 20:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@PerfectingNEI: Just wait, I'll discuss with you tomorrow. As per WP:STATUSQUO, you cannot delete large chunks of content from a longstanding article in one go without discussion. Discuss first. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:15, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: See brother , Koch tribe is aboriginal tribe of India, Nepal and Bangladesh. Rajbongshi are either very different people or section of Koch-Mech people who write Rajbanshi title. So, Rajbanshi can be treated as section of Koch or Rajbongshi are just title of some unknown origin people. Koch tribe have history. Koch tribe is government recognised ST in Meghalaya. In my opinion, Koch people page should exist because Koch is government notified scheduled tribe. Rajbongshi is just title with different origin. These Rajbongshi people have redirected Koch people page into Rajbongshi page. So, Koch tribe can't be search easily. Koch tribe is being hidden by Rajbongshi people. In simple word, Koch tribe is scheduled tribe with history and known origin . But Rajbongshi are people with unknown origin. Rajbongshi are pretending to be koch but Rajbongshi don't use the word koch. They deleting koch name from wikipedia which is fastest source to get any information. Thanks PerfectingNEI (talk) 20:30, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
What you say is your own POV though I believe there existed a separate Koch article. Anywayu discuss on talk page of Rajbongshi and I'll try to request experienced editors to check those articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:34, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Need HelpEdit

I want you too block the user ShangNam who is adding fake website link at citation #7 pretending to be Government website (without domain) in this page

@PerfectingNEI: The Vikaspedia article is a wiki so technically should be unreliable as per WP:UGC but it is run by Government of India so confusion arises. I've opened a discussion regarding its validity on WP:RS. You can check it. On a side note, used in the article seems unreliable. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:03, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Binit14 reported by User:IanDBeacon (Result: )Edit

Royal Challengers BangaloreEdit


Thanks for the information. The Bangalore wiki page mentions about the Bengaluru and only the matter of time all the Bangalore will be edited as Bengaluru in the Wiki Pages considering the amount of articles and it will take time to rewrite all the articles.

Changes on my own pageEdit

Hi, this is meera chopra. I have a wikipedia page which has got some incorrect info. I tried changing it and then i got a msg from Fylindfotberserk that my changes have been reverted bak.. its my page and i need correct info on that. Plz help how to do it Meeraa chopraa (talk) 16:22, 14 May 2019 (UTC) @Meeraa chopraa: Wikipedia needs reliable sources to support content. And you also changed backlinks for some films in the article which caused the wikilinks to go 'red' so I reverted them. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:25, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

page protectionEdit

Don't you think we need a semi-protection on Mamata Banerjee ? DeoxysX (talk) 17:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@DeoxysX: Yes definitely. I'll request for it. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I forgot. It is already Pending Changes Protected. That'll do. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Ahom KingdomEdit

Hello, @Fylindfotberserk: One user User:Chaipau is constantly reverting my edits on the page - Ahom Kingdom. He is reverting my edits so repeatedly that I am unable to add the references due to the Edit Conflicts. The person is applying his own point of view; while the Sources Said the opposite. Should we follow the references or His own theories?? Can you stop him from doing such kind of reverting which is WP:BITE. Thankyou.--ShangNam (talk) 15:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@ShangNam: I am not sure you are a newcomer, since there has been a sudden peak in the interest in Ahom related pages with many new user names, all pushing the same agenda, which is to replace Assamese names with new spelling system of the Ahom names. For example, you are trying to replace the name "Ahom Rajya" in Assamese with a non-standard Ahom spelling for Mong-Dun-Shun-Kham (you are trying to insert "Muong Doon Soon Kham"). This cannot be the native name because the Ahom language is dead, and for a great part of the Ahom kingdom since the 16th century, the court language was Assamese. Chaipau (talk) 15:23, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
@ShangNam:, I've to agree with Chaipau here. Firstly, "Muong Doon Soon Kham" is not a common name, Secondly, it is well documented that Ahoms had people of native ancestry in their ranks. Only the aristocracy might had some purity. Totally comparable to the Mughals. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:30, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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MICA (institute)Edit

I see you have reverted one of my edits. The #MeToo controversy mentioned on its page has nothing to do with the educational institute. As per the reports, the faculty member's name has been dragged into the controversy by an outsider and the incident didn't happen in the campus. Edwige9 (talk) 14:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Edwige9: But the institute got involved by agreeing to take action against the faculty. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Yes, but it is an ongoing controversy and it is 'alleged', no final judgement has been made. Moreover, because the institute agreed to investigate the matter, does it qualify to be added on the institute's page? I feel it should be avoided as the matter is under review and the institute has no direct involvement. Edwige9 (talk) 15:08, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@Edwige9:Since the incident happened outside MICA premises, the logical answer would be not to include it in the article, but MICA has set up a committee of 3 women apart from the existing Gender Equality and Anti-Sexual Harassment committee. This is what is confusing me. You know what, I believe should remove it. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:33, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@Edwige9:Thank you! It was nice interacting with you. Edwige9 (talk) 07:03, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Category:The Disciples of Apocalypse has been nominated for discussionEdit


Category:The Disciples of Apocalypse, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 15:08, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


Can you please revert the last edit at Ishq Mein Marjawan? An IP user has been adding labels like dead and adding incorrect information since long. Thankfully the page has been protected now but please rv their last edit.


@Fylindfotberserk: Thank you very much for giving me a Barnstar. Hope I'll do more great works in Wikipedia in future :-) Sourik8 (talk) 17:45, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sourik8: You are most welcome. You deserved that. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:53, 23 May 2019 (UTC)


Pls revert edits by DivyaSharma at Prince Narula. They reverted a lot of edits containing reliable sources. The user is a sock of KaranSharma. Also please ask for a CU so that they can be blocked.

Again using there own sock edit blames on others and lying saying Im a sock. I don't even know who this karan sharma is. I am not the one who are doing edit warring. They are just not happy and upset that they can't disrupt the article thats why they are blaming other people for no apparent reason when they are at fault. Divya Sharma (talk) 13:53, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Let me see. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I also think this is a sock of User:Mallika800
@DivyaSharma3210S: If you think so, put a complaint at WP:SPI. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:29, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
But I am not this user the user is basically the person who got blocked and then when he knows that he cant disrupt he blames all his sock edits on other users.
@DivyaSharma3210S: I get it. I'm asking you to open up an investigation at WP:SPI if you think that IP is User:Dimpletisha. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Fylindfotberserk! Can you check an article Puneeth Rajkumar and find references? Thank you! -- (talk) 16:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Comment on C Krishnakumar’s talk pageEdit

Hello—I noticed that you removed a comment in what I assume is Malayalam from Talk:C Krishnakumar; do you happen to know whether it said anything useful or did you remove it because it is not in English? Docentation (talk) 18:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

@Docentation: I removed it because it is not in English. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:12, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: I see; in any case Google Translate suggests that it was a compilation of unsourced statements about the fellow. Docentation (talk) 18:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
@Docentation: Yeah. I've check in Google Transalte. Since it didn't include any reference and most users wouldn't understand it anyway, I've removed it - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

West Bengal ArticleEdit

Hi @Fylindfotberserk:, In the West Bengal article infobox section there are too many languages mentioned but as far as "Commissioner for Linguistic Minorities, Ministry of Minority Affairs, Government of India" is concern Bengal has Bengali as official and additional official has been Nepali for two subdivisions of Darjeeling. Should I go ahead and remove remaining languages. Secondly could please help nominate West Bengal into a Good or FA article status again, it lost FA status in 2018. Thanks--Priyansh90 (talk) 04:53, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Priyansh90: Your concern is legitimate especially when NCLM's 52nd report lists Bengali (with Nepali as additional in Darjeeling's 2 subdivisions) and the West Bengal Govt's official website lists only Bengali and English here. The other languages are additional official but there seems to be original research regarding how it is presented in the article. The sources for other languages clearly mention that they can only be used as official if the number of speakers exceed 10% percent in a block/division/district. See herehere. That needs to be highlighted in the sections and the Infobox. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:12, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk:, it would make it more complicated and clutter the infobox, moreover we don't have any official source from Govt website either state govt or central govt stating those languages as additional official. I would rather remove them and make Bengali & English as official while stating Nepali as "additional official". What do you think ?--Priyansh90 (talk) 15:11, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
@Priyansh90: What can we do if the current WB govt. is in a spree to make every language official. Not only the given sources, a lot of other reliable news sources mention that bills have been passed in 2012 and 2018 to make all these languages official wherever the population is over 10%. While these are reliable sources and we cannot negate them, but the fact that these languages do not show up in site is confusing. I added this:- "in blocks, subdivisions or districts exceeding 10% of the population" sentence to make it clear what the sources say. Since these languages are in the Infobox for some time, I believe you should open up a discussion in the article talkpage about this. If no one responds, then we can remove these languages from the infobox. However, there's no need to remove them from the sub-sections - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: alright I will start a discussion on the talk page and see who responds if no body responds then we will scrap it. Another question is there any chance to renominate West Bengal into FA or Good article status. Thanks--Priyansh90 (talk) 03:28, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@Priyansh90: Nice. give it a few days, atleast 10 days I believe. Although RfCs go for 30 days. In the meantime, it would be great if you search for the other languages in the WB govt. articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:16, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: I had put information regarding West Bengal languages in the Talk:West Bengal page. But unfortunately nobody is responding I even pinned one user but he too seems to be aloof. Should I go ahead and remove Additional languages from the infobox area while keeping Bengali and English as well Nepali as official since they are Govt provided source. After that I will nominate it into FA status article.--Priyansh90 (talk) 04:55, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
@Priyansh90: I've seen that. Give it some time, atleast 10-15 days since not everybody visits Wikipedia everyday. Also I'm gonna copy paste this into that section. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Alright I'll wait for 10-15 days after that I'll apply for FA or GA nomination. One update I would like to give you, I have applied Talk:Bengali language and Talk:Bengal article for Good article nomination.--Priyansh90 (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
@Priyansh90: I've seen Talk:Bengali language but not the Bengal one. I think the Bengali language article would get GA. Nice work bud. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:44, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Bodo peopleEdit

You deleted some words from Bodo people page. In general Boros used called themselves as Bara-Fisa and Dimasa used to call themselves as Dwima-Fisa. Entire book used the word Bara instead of BARA-FISA. To find out that word, You can go to last appendix where you will find THE FINAL SEPARATION BETWEEN BARA-FISA and Dimasa line. PerfectingNEI (talk) 17:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@PerfectingNEI: What you are suggesting is original research. Source doesn't say that Baras call themselves Bara-fisa. Secondly, source only mentions Bara-fisa once in the appendix which make vague. Find other sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:41, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Regarding reverting Bharat's CastEdit

Can you please clarify, why did you revert that change? Radhamadhab Sarangi (Talk2Me|Contribs) 16:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@123sarangi: I've corrected it to your version. My bad, didn't see there was a 'Mehek' too apart from 'Meher'   - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Thanks for that. Today I watched the movie. The songs were so bad that I checked wiki to check the Music Composer. I found this wrong mentions of husbands of Meher and Mehek, so I corrected it. 👍👍 Radhamadhab Sarangi (Talk2Me|Contribs) 11:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
@123sarangi: Is it that bad lol? I don't intend to see it in near future though. It's in my pending list now  . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:50, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: I liked only one song - Chashni. Never expected such a bad album from Vishal-Shekhar. The movie is ok ok. Anyway you can watch it on Prime Video in a month or so. Don't waste your time and money going to a theatre near or far from you. 😂😂😂 Radhamadhab Sarangi (Talk2Me|Contribs) 11:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
@123sarangi: I'll probably watch this on Prime. I'm not going to a theatre lol. Thanks again - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:37, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Dear Fylindfotberserk! Can you check an article Puneeth Rajkumar? Thank you! -- (talk) 16:33, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

About Lead West BengalEdit

Hi @Fylindfotberserk:, Could please added information about economy of pre-independence Bengal in the lead section of West Bengal article, like it has been mentioned clearly in the lead section of both Bangladesh and Bengal articles with sources. How much economically bengal was powerful before independence that must be mentioned in the lead especially during the Bengal Subah reign even during the British raj Bengal was the largest economy of the empire.Thanks--2405:201:8803:5F9D:F02B:BCAF:A68D:10B (talk) 05:58, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I am awaiting a response from your side on this matter.Thanks--2405:201:8803:5F9D:644D:F947:D80E:29D9 (talk) 03:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
We only mention recent information on economy in Indian states article leads, not historical. You can check Gujarat, Tamil Nadu, Punjab, India, Delhi. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:03, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Question for image deletion-Arjun_Singh_MP.jpgEdit

Sir,Any Image I upload on Arjun Singh (politician) is deleted so plse tell me how can we come out through this problem?? Many times i uploaded fresh images at that page not use in anywhere so how copyright issues are come... commondelinker deleted the image plse tell what 2 do?? Aniket kr. Shaw (talk) 20:17, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Aniket kr. Shaw, Hi,for images, go through guidelines at WP:IUP. If you took a photograph of Mr. Arjun Singh, that can very well be used and would not cause any copyright issues, but if you have copied it from another source or video, then it is liable to get a copyright strike. You can also use Public Domain images like Flickr images. See the list of Public Domain websites here, Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:35, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

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I have posted a COI report at Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard. Thought you might be interested. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk   16:11, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Velella:, Thanks. I'll have a look. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:24, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

BrahmastraEdit Ab1729 (talk) 16:00, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Ab1729 This is a post and isn't reliable. Find some news source from Time so India, Hindu, etc. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:01, 20 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ab1729 (talkcontribs) 16:14, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Ab1729 That would work. I've already added it. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Fylindfotberserk Thank you too

Rae Bareli Lok SabhaEdit

The webpage for Rae Bareli Lok Sabha has an error. It shows that Satish Sharma won a by-poll there in 1991. That is just wrong. Satish Sharma won the by-poll from Amethi, caused due to Rajeev Gandhi's death. But how to remove the wrong line from Rae Bareli page? I removed it, but zealous (and clueless) wiki editors keep restoring the wrong line. One can add reference for new info being added, but how to ADD reference for info which is being deleted? I do not know. Please edit that page, if you will. Contact me at walks.nani AT if you have questions. I do not have wiki account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:46, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

CV linksEdit

In case you would be interested:

Best, Sam Sailor 10:17, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you for your prolific thanking. :) S0091 (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

@S0091: Thank you very much sir, from the bottom of my heart. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:07, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Trying to understand???Edit

So I am trying to understand your edit here? The source provided is from an official site and literally has the promotional material for the final match he is doing which states its his retirement match. Just trying to understand your "Need independent reliable source", it doesn't get anymore reliable than someones official site. 2601:805:8205:7E0A:598C:578F:FB31:21FA (talk) 17:25, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Official sites are not considered much reliable and is also a primary source. Go through WP:Independent. You can remove the tag after you add an independent reliable source. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Gotcha, right now the only other sources are the posts that have been made on social media from the company putting on the show and last I heard those weren't considered reliable sources. So there is only a primary to reference right now. But ill keep an eye out for others, Thanks! 2601:805:8205:7E0A:598C:578F:FB31:21FA (talk) 21:19, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at User_talk:PerfectingNEI#ReminderEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at User_talk:PerfectingNEI#Reminder. If you need to reply, please do so here on your talkpage. Posting at PerfectingNEI will not help calm matters. Abecedare (talk) 17:37, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Abecedare: You pinged me there that's why. I was already typing and didn't see that you posted here. Sir, I've also moved the other race and genetic related comments to the "collapsed" section since not relevant. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:49, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • FYI. Best to also keep away from the PerfectingNEI's talkpage lest the postings spark another spat. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 19:20, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Abecedare: Somebody should tell PerfetingNEI that the code, {{u|Fylindfotberserk}} also pings the user.
I didn't have the slightest idea that a mere mention of something so mainstream would offend him. Obviously, I forgot that the person has a hatred against all things "Aryan", "Brahmin", ""Austro-Asiatic" and "Ahom"; has a serious POV issue; gives a vibe of Article Ownerhip and likes to incorporate 19th century racialism.
  • Baits users with anti-Aryan and racist rhetoric in article talks as can be seen here. Then makes uncivil comments towards users, linguistic groups like Aryan and Dravidian and brings 19th century obsolete racial classifications. here, here
  • He has no qualms coming to other user's talkpages provoking them, calling them names and being generally uncivil and to display tendencies of Article Ownership
  • He also spams other user's articles here and here, but gets overtly defensive on his own talkpage displaying WP:UP#OWN and insults other calling them dogs, Asurs, etc,
  • He also comes to the same users asking for help See.
I'm unable to understand this person, but I believe if a single user is having problems with everybody, then obviously he should learn to work as a team and respect others. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:21, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Fylindfotberserk, I haven't gone through all the links you listed above but even a briefer look that I've had over the past 7-10 days makes the POV and conduct issues apparent. What remains to be seen is whether the editors conduct, mode of communication, and citing of sources can be reformed enough so that the point-of-view they bring contributes to improving the coverage in the articles rather than just wasting other volunteers' time. You can see my effort in that direction in my messages on their talkpage over the past week. If that effort fails, blocks or topic bans may be required but worth giving it a chance IMO.
A couple of requests for you: don't engage in a rapid and lengthy back and forth with them, as happened earlier today on Talk:Varman dynasty, and just let the other editors weigh in. And, while unwanted pings, and templated warnings and comments on your talkpage, are genuine annoyances I'd ask you to overlook/ignore them for the moment so that we can first see whether the more central issues are resolvable. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 19:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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