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Remove Ongoing: Tigray ConflictEdit

Article: Tigray conflict (talk, history)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

 Two weeks ago, rockets were fired and missed. Since then: a claim, an ultimatum, and an order. I know from reading elsewhere that things are happening, but you'd not know it from our article. There is simply not enough there to keep this on the main page. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:16, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Just yesterday pm announced he's sending in forces to end it. 2A02:2A57:173D:0:B525:8A17:4F58:B411 (talk) 13:35, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Again, I'm not disputing that the EVENT is ongoing, but that the article fails to document this. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support removal based on article's length. I agree that an item staying in ongoing for two weeks needs a substantially more extensive article with more frequent updates that go deeper into details than the one-sentence weekly reports coupled in a single paragraph.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:22, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose The article has seen split-offs and other cut downs that is perhaps why its not looking up to the mark. Timeline of the Tigray conflict and other related articles (see Category:Tigray conflict) are receiving significant updates and not everything has to be in the main article. Though I agree that the main article needs work that is no reason for an ongoing removal especially when the conflict is clearly ongoing, in the news and while taking these other articles into account. Gotitbro (talk) 17:55, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – "Ethiopian PM claims capture of Tigray capital." – Sca (talk) 20:16, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose until the conflict is definitely over. Banedon (talk) 20:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Tony HsiehEdit

Article: Tony Hsieh (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Las Vegas Review Journal, Associated Press, NPR, The Washington Post, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: American internet entrepreneur. Article seems adequate, I added one or two missing refs - Dumelow (talk) 08:59, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Article is well-sourced. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Unexpected and tragic death. Article is probably C or B class. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:44, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Article is good and unexpected/unfortunate death. Gotitbro (talk) 18:13, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. RIP. Tragic and a life lost much much too early. Please can an experienced editor read the article to see if the article reads like a Linkedin bio / resume? I remember this was a concern with a different internet entrepreneur sometime back. This is not an oppose vote. Ktin (talk) 17:58, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: Essentially ready, but given Hsieh's lengthy tenure at Zappo's, could possibly use some expansion there to give it increased depth. The NYT obit and CNN story have additional details (initial rejected sale to Amazon, corporate culture, etc.). SpencerT•C 18:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Spencer, thanks to your NYT link, paragraph added about Zappos which was indeed extraordinary. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

RD/Blurb: Mohsen FakhrizadehEdit

Article: Mohsen Fakhrizadeh (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, Iran's top nuclear scientist, is killed in an apparent assassination. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, Iran's top nuclear scientist, is killed in a roadside attack.
News source(s): NPR, CNN. AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: He was considered Iran's top nuclear scientist, an important distinction for a country with a "controversial" nuclear program. Article appears to be adequately sourced.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 17:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support blurb This may be as explosive as the Assassination of Qasem Soleimani, depending on how the news pans out. Article is definitely not a stub. Albertaont (talk) 18:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Quite a shocking assassination Kingsif (talk) 18:25, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: added a blurb per Albertaont.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 18:33, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Blurb this will be in the news in Iran + its neighbours for a while, possibly the rest of the world as well, and might have international consequences. Banedon (talk) 18:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Not flashing here. Just a headline. 2A02:2A57:173D:0:B525:8A17:4F58:B411 (talk) 13:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

  • There's now a page called "Assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh", so support blurb but wait until it's no longer a stub. Davey2116 (talk) 19:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Absolutely inappropriate for WP to be calling it an assassination. "Apparent assassination" as per CNN is correct as it is the claim of Iran. He was clearly attacked and killed, but whether this an assassination is yet known. --Masem (t) 19:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

You said he was killed. That IS an assassination. 2A02:2A57:173D:0:B525:8A17:4F58:B411 (talk) 13:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose Are we really taking state media claims at face value and blurbing them now? Did someone else even verify the killing/assassination or even the death? And can someone confirm if he actually was as instrumental to the Iranian nuclear program as is being portrayed in the media. Seems like media and political hype to me and not encyclopedic ITN material. Gotitbro (talk) 20:10, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
    • NYTimes called him the closest thing to an Iranian Oppenheimer in 2014. Wall Street Journal called him Tehran’s atomic weapons guru in 2012. The Guardian reported that he was believed to be in charge of Iran’s nuclear program in 2010.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:07, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
    • The media are at least treating that Fakhrizadeh was killed as legit, but they are putting caution on the claim it was an assassination (particularly one performed by Israel). It's fair we treat the killing as verified but put the assassination with the same bit of doubt. --Masem (t) 22:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
      Masem, I agree with that, just unsure about the specific process. Should I propose another alt where I just change assasination to killing, or will the posting admin edit accordingly?  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 22:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
      • Just add an alt blurb. I have done so. -- KTC (talk) 23:09, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Convinced about his stature and that the death isn't being doubted. But only a confirmed assassination would make this blurb worthy. I would vote Support for RD and Wait for blurb but the article is too poor/stubby for either of them, so my oppose stands. Gotitbro (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Gotitbro I'm completly agree with you. We must Wait before Blurb, but Support RD, until further consecuencies, if there are, that I'am afraid that will be. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Assassination of a high-profile physicist in the Iranian nuclear programme is a big deal with high potential for further implications. Also, the story is already top news in the media.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:02, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support RDWait re blurb. It's not as if Mohsen Fakhrizadeh was a household name in the English-speaking world. Perpetrator(s) unknown. What may happen as a result of this event is pure speculation at this pt. – Sca (talk) 22:31, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support RD the fork for the "killing" article seems premature and unnecessary given the BLP is only barely C-class and a few hundred words. Suggest merging the detail back into the main article and opting for RD only. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:50, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
    Oppose this is madness, we have a stub BLP target and a stub "killing" article. The merge needs to happen before there can be any consideration of posting here. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, this is not even RD worthy let alone a blurb (that is even if it was notable). Gotitbro (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, at least lets have 1 article that may turn out to be RD worthy JW 1961 Talk 23:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Saying the obvious There are more sources and the article is better developed than all but 1 of the RDs posted right now. Albertaont (talk) 06:48, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Highly unusual death. Targeted assassinations of major political/military/scientific figures seem to be becoming a habit of certain states. Also, we posted both the murder of Soleimani and Khashoggi, as well as the alleged assassination attempt against Skripals. This is on the same scale. CoronaOneLove (talk) 23:31, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Hmmm, this'll be interesting. Definitely news worthy This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:26, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb – Nothing has happened except that Khamenei and Rouhani have darkly vowed the usual enlightened response: Revenge. – Sca (talk) 14:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: For an academic, his career section is almost entirely devoted to what he did after 2007, except for 2 sentences. Needs more thorough coverage (if available) to be RD ready. SpencerT•C 17:56, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: George H. CarleyEdit

Article: George H. Carley (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: American judge. Article looks reasonably good - Dumelow (talk) 09:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Nice little article, decently sourced JW 1961 Talk 12:01, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Clean article. C-Class Bio. Well referenced. Good to go. Request the posting Admin to start from the bottom of the stack. Ktin (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:51, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: F. C. KohliEdit

Article: F. C. Kohli (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Indian Express
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Father of Indian IT industry. Padma Bhushan awardee. Article requires citations for the positions held and honors section. Also, some effort in streamlining content. I will work on these changes, unless someone wants to lend a hand. All edits and minor expansion done. Looks good to go to homepage / RD. RIP Mr Kohli. Ktin (talk) 19:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 15:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Everything looks properly sourced to me. Mlb96 (talk) 19:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Another one looks good to go on RD JW 1961 Talk 22:06, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

RD: Sadiq al-MahdiEdit

Article: Sadiq al-Mahdi (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al-Jazeera, Reuters, NPR
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This is Sudan's last democratically elected prime minister before he was toppled in a 1989 coup. COVID-19-related, so it needs to expand. 36.68.190.244 (talk) 09:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose for now, I've added tags for where additional citations are needed - Dumelow (talk) 10:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose {{cn}} tags need to go, otherwise consider a support from me if those are fixed. Gotitbro (talk) 16:22, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose sadly, a day later the CN's remain JW 1961 Talk 13:20, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
* Change to Support - nice job fixing this article JW 1961 Talk 23:35, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Can we have another look at this? The CN's have been fixed. Joofjoof (talk) 21:58, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support nice job fixing the cn tags.~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:46, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Edward LazearEdit

Article: Edward Lazear (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Nominator's comments: American labor economist; Death announced on this date. Further edits and expansion including the labor and personnel economics and other research sections completed. Article is good, well referenced, and clean. Ready to go to homepage / RD. Solid C-class biography. Ktin (talk) 22:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Well sourced, look good for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:54, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Please can I request another pair of eyes on this one. Agree with JW, and I think this can go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 15:05, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
    Spencer, Thanks. Much appreciated. Often times, economics articles tend to get too complex very soon, but, this one reads good. Also, if someone wants to get some of Lazear's thoughts outside of this article, watch this short video. RIP. Ktin (talk) 17:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

RD: Flor SilvestreEdit

Article: Flor Silvestre (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Mexican singer and actress. Article seems in good shape. Died on 25 November. Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:44, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: José de BastosEdit

Article: José de Bastos (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Benfica
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Portuguese football goalkeeper with Benfica. I've expanded and tidied a bit. A little short, but probably sufficient - Dumelow (talk) 09:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Short but RD passable. Gotitbro (talk) 12:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per above, short but what is there is well sourced JW 1961 Talk 13:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted - this one was technically stale, as he died on the 23rd and the bottom entry was already the 24th. But I'm feeling generous, so it can sit at the bottom of the list for a few hours.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jacque SecrétinEdit

Article: Jacques Secrétin (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France Bleu
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: French table tennis player. I am working to expand the article - Dumelow (talk) 08:59, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Needs expansion but I think still okay for an RD. Gotitbro (talk) 12:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Yes short but adequate for RD, well sourced JW 1961 Talk 22:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Markus PaulEdit

Article: Markus Paul (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Nominator's comments: American football coach on the Dallas Cowboys coaching staff and former player. Was erroneously reported to have died on November 24. He was confirmed to have died November 25.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 03:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Weak support Playing career could be expanded but passes for a RD. Gotitbro (talk) 05:56, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Clean article, but, can we attempt a round of expansion before we finalize this one? Agree with Gotitbro that this one seems quite thin. Also, a matter of personal stylization, but, I would suggest removing sub-headings within the playing career section if there are only one line entries underneath each of them. Ktin (talk) 15:19, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Had a 4-year NFL career and was an All-American in college. Not in a state of posting without further expansion of college and NFL career sections. SpencerT•C 18:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, nominator has recently expanded the article and I believe it is now sufficient - Dumelow (talk) 06:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support adequate. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted. Good work.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James WolfensohnEdit

Article: James Wolfensohn (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Australian-American Banker. Former World Bank President. Article will require edits, largely around fixing [citation needed] tags which have now been added. Citation tags have been fixed. Further edits and expansion done. Looks a clean B-class biography. Good to go to homepage / RD, imo. Ktin (talk) 02:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose Numerous CN tags, not yet fit for rd. Gex4pls (talk) 02:37, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gex4pls:, of course, I was the one who added those tags. I have filled them in now. Have a look. I will be awake for ~2 hours for any edits. Cheers Ktin (talk) 03:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I've changed my oppose to a Support, as all the tags have been cited, and the Gex4pls (talk) 17:21, 26 November 2020 (UTC) article is good to go.
  • Support Looks pretty good. Gotitbro (talk) 05:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Please can I request a pair of eyes on this one? I believe this is ready to go. Ktin (talk) 15:06, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 18:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) 2020 Japan SeriesEdit

Article: 2020 Japan Series (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In baseball, the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks defeat the Yomiuri Giants to win their fourth-straight Japan Series (MVP Ryoya Kurihara pictured). (Post)
News source(s): The Japan Times, The Mainichi, AP
Credits:

Article updated

Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

 --TorsodogTalk 18:02, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Well sourced, lots of prose, fitting the template of past years. In a normal year, I would've worked on this page with Torsodog and would be a co-nom, but it's 2020. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Again?! I'm starting to wonder whether this league deserves its ITNR listing if it's always won by the same team. In the last four years the Hawks have won the Japan Series 4-0, 4-0, 4-1 and 4-2 (in games). They won two of the previous three years too, so 6 of the last 7 championships overall. That does not suggest a competitive league. Modest Genius talk 18:32, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
The Boston Celtics once won 12 championships in 14 years.331dot (talk) 18:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Anyway, is there any evidence that fans and/or the media are less interested? 331dot (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
You can't just look at the winner of the Japan Series to determine the competitiveness of an entire league. While the Hawks do happen to be a powerhouse at the moment, you must also take into account that NPB's playoff system is designed specially so that the best regular-season teams advance. That isn't how MLB's and other leagues playoff formats are necessarily designed. --TorsodogTalk 20:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • They have a dynasty. My Yankees won the World Series in 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, and should've won 2001 too. Stupid bloop single. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:20, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
It's a nonsense argument. Manchester United won the Premier League something like 13 times in 21 years but no-one has ever suggested that the PL is not a competitive league. Try again. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Lithuanian PMEdit

Articles: Ingrida Šimonytė (talk, history) and Prime Minister of Lithuania (talk, history)
Blurb: Ingrida Šimonytė takes office as the new Prime Minister of Lithuania, becoming the second woman to do so. (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

Article updated

One or both nominated events are listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

 98.116.81.188 (talk) 22:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Isn't ITNR for the office holders? I've gone ahead bolded Šimonytė as that is what it should be and what the nominator likely meant. Gotitbro (talk) 23:33, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Simonyte’s article good. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 23:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Diego MaradonaEdit

Posted, albeit quickly, and will remain posted. Stephen 00:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Diego Maradona (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Former Argentine football player Diego Maradona dies at the age of 60. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Diego Maradona is one of the greatest football players of all time, as well as a being who is essentially worshipped across all of Latin America. As such, I think he meets the Mandela/Thatcher standard. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support blurb and what a pleasant surprise to see the article in such good order. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:39, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support blurb, article in excellent shape and absolutely blurb-worthy. --Bcp67 (talk) 16:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Absolutely textbook example of someone who was at the top of their field and where the death itself is also generating coverage.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support blurbper nom. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 16:44, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted as blurb. I'll probably be accused of acting too quickly, but I can't see this being anything other than WP:SNOW.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Looks like ITN beat CNN to this. That's fast. --cart-Talk 16:50, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment What about a pic of him?. I'm really shocked by his death btw. Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    Yep, a pic is up there now, the article's main 2012 image. We can't use any of the older ones from his playing days unfortunately, as they all seem to be marked as ineligible under US copyright law even though they're public domain in Argentina. And should probably even be removed from the article as they are liable to be deleted from Commons.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support. I don't think this was too fast, I cannot envision another outcome than a blurb. A RD is definitely too little for a player like this. Regards SoWhy 16:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
If is possible to post something too fast, then 8 minutes is too fast. The argument for waiting is giving others a chance to see and weigh in; either that is a thing we value or it is not. Guessing that other editors will agree may get you in trouble (see RBG). GreatCaesarsGhost 17:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support good decision to post as blurb JW 1961 Talk 16:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Amakuru Argetinian or Argentine? I thought modern parlance favoured the latter? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 17:02, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    Hmmm, I did a very cursory look before posting and it seemed like Argentinian was correct. A somewhat less cursory look has shown that to be untrue through, at best they're equal. So I've deferred to the nom and your comment here and amended it to "Argentine".  — Amakuru (talk) 17:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support. Not many sportspeople that meet the standard, but Maradona is one. It is the leading news story in many top RS and the words "legendary" and "greatest of all time" are in many of the headlines. Black Kite (talk) 17:06, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment I was amazed to see the ITN ticker updated so quickly over the past hour. Normally blurb discussions like this drag on for ages before making it to the ticker. I think this got posted even faster than Stephen Hawking's blurb.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    I'm sure the "PULL!" comments are coming. I'm not bothered by it. He's one of the few "footy" players (present or former) whose name I recognized instantly when I saw it on my news ticker. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    The article is in incredible shape. It's about as detailed as the article for Roger Clemens if not more so. Any calls for a pull would be WP:POINTY.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    That helps. I guess I can cite Maradona when Clemens passes. Hopefully not soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-blurb-ing support One of the five greatest players (and many have argued one of the three greatest, or the one greatest) ever in the world's biggest sport, with an article in absolutely excellent shape. I don't think there are many no-brainer death blurbs, but this is one. -- Kicking222 (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • I can't resist adding comment to commend the quick posting. The article's profundity is amazing too. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • As a matter of principle, I would prefer nominations to have more than 8 minutes of discussion before being posted. But I support blurb and agree that WP:SNOW applied. It's a pleasant surprise to find we have a high quality article. Modest Genius talk 17:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting blurb support - Great article in good shape and the subject of the article is what I would consider to fall under the "Thatcher-Mandela-Hawking-Connery" rule as often used when posting blurb deaths here. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support Not to pile on here, but there's sound logic in posting this, given that basically he and Pele are pretty much the defining figures of assc football in the 20th century + the article quality was already top notch at the time of nomination. I know I justified when I posted Stephen Hawking as quickly as I did when it had similar support then, this is just as open+shut a case. --Masem (t) 17:33, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support It led on both the Guardian and BBC (not merely their sport pages), so the transformative figure in his field clause is likely satisfied, and of course the noteworthy reaction has been forthcoming. rawmustard (talk) 17:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Blurb old man dies long past the end of his career is exactly what RD is for. Maradona is one name on the FIFA 100 and I see no reason for his routine passing to be a blurb. Lionel Messi dying now, at the height of his career maybe, not this. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:44, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    Dear oh dear. Death at 60 is far from "routine" for a professional footballer who is considered the greatest of all time. What was routine about his death? You realise he was still coaching football into 2020? Also, I suppose if you wish to exclude Maradona from a blurb, you'd be excluding people like Michael Jordan, Carl Lewis, Wayne Gretzky, Jack Nicklaus, Lance Armstrong, Billie Jean King, Martina Navratilova, Nadia Comăneci etc etc. How odd. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 00:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment While I would've supported this, can the admins catch a break (Amakuru here)? At least wait for sometime don't just push deaths in minutes (let me emphasize "minutes") even if its chock full of support votes. Same was the case with Bader and that's how you get people asking for time limits on posting deaths. Gotitbro (talk) 00:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
    Nah, you said so yourself, this was post-worthy, a no-brainer. It's just shit-stirring now to start to claim it shouldn't have been posted. We either have an agreed time delay (we don't) or we don't (we don't), so nothing untoward occurred here, and since it's absolutely universal approval for a blurb, Laserlegs excluded, there's literally nothing to see here. Move along, move along. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 00:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
    Better still, let's see how many readers complain that we posted the biggest RD of recent times in a timely fashion shall we? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 00:10, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Ahmed PatelEdit

Article: Ahmed Patel (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Indian politician. COVID-19. Edits reasonably done. Meets basic hygiene requirements. Ktin (talk) 02:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment - one citation needed at the top of the political career section, and ref [12] is both a dead-link and a bare URL. Once those things fixed, should be good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    Amakuru, Thanks much Amakuru and good catch on the dead-link / bare-URL. Fixed both issues. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 15:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Almost feel apologetic asking this on a day like today, but, any additional pairs of eyes on this one? Thanks much. Ktin (talk) 17:43, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. No obvious issues. Decent article. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support in agreement with above. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 22:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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RD: Bruce BoyntonEdit

Article: Bruce Boynton (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Nominator's comments: American civil rights leader. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:42, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose Personal details are incomplete: missing date of birth, Early Life has more details on his parents than the subject himself. Potentially COPYVIO: entire sentences are lifted from sources verbatim, seems especially problematic with the sources 2 & 3, which are used in this manner throughout.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
    Date of birth is good but not mandatory. Also, I just ran the Earwig tool, and I dont find something egregious. [4] There is the quote from the judge (which obviously has to be verbatim). Yes, there can be some expansion on early life + career, if information is available. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 15:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: Legal career needs expansion. A quick look at sources mentions that he was the lawyer in the Mapp v. Board of Education case that de-segregated Chattanooga schools. Possible sources include [5], [6], [7]. SpencerT•C 18:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mamadou TandjaEdit

Article: Mamadou Tandja (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former Nigerien president. Doesn't seem to be anything major missing - Dumelow (talk) 11:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support blurb Article, sourcing look fine (could use some layout changes). Major leader in Niger and Africa, I think this merits a blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 14:19, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support RD The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:31, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support (RD) Decent article, well referenced JW 1961 Talk 22:23, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 22:44, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fred SasakamooseEdit

Article: Fred Sasakamoose (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Canadian ice hockey player. Recognised as the first indigenous NHL player, and later served decades in a political role in his community. Article has been updated to reflect his life. Kaiser matias (talk) 03:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Looks good. But Kaiser matias, please either source or remove the "Survivors Speak Report" blockquote. Gotitbro (talk) 04:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Taken care of. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 11:02, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Christophe DominiciEdit

Article: Christophe Dominici (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Pretty much legendary French rugby player. Article is mostly unreferenced right now... The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment. This will need much more sourcing ("Club and international honours" is entirely uncited at present) and an extension of the lead text. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Gave the citations a good shot across the board. I think it is well sourced right now. But, that said, I think this article will benefit from a comprehensive re-write. Unfortunately, I know neither rugby nor French. If someone can give it a shot, I can lend an additional hand as well. Edits done. I learnt a little bit of rugby in the process. Did you know that goals are called "tries" in Rugby? Can you try to score a try? That said, truly sad end to a life. RIP. Ktin (talk) 22:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Inclined to Support now, much improved from earlier thanks to Ktin, one CN left but I think that sentence "nightmare moment" could be just deleted if no source available (I couldn't find anything either) JW 1961 Talk 22:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    Joseywales1961, My bad, I had that link figured out, but, missed updating the link and removing the cn tag. Just did that. I will also spend some time rewriting portions of the article. Really sad end. RIP. Ktin (talk) 22:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    Ktin nice work, this now looks good to go. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:15, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • @Stephen, Spencer, Amakuru, Black Kite, and John M Wolfson:, pardon the intrusion. This is good to go to homepage. Ktin (talk) 01:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 01:22, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alan RamseyEdit

Article: Alan Ramsey (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SMH
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Australian journalist. Edits done. Solid C-class biography. Looks good for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 22:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Suppport decent enough, good work Ktin, not for the first time lately. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  •   PostedJohn M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 00:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    John M Wolfson, wow that was quick! Thanks much John!
    PS: If any of you are familiar with Rater.js tool, can you have a look at this article with the tool. It kept saying start class as I was editing and then, boom, it now says B class. I find that hard to believe. Ktin (talk) 00:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    I do not have knowledge of that tool, but I might use it in the future! – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 01:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    Great tool, I use it on NPP as a lot of editors don't create talk page when creating articles JW 1961 Talk 22:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Mai Kadra massacreEdit

Article: Mai Kadra massacre (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Ethiopian Human Rights Commission reports [confirms] that at least 600 people were killed in a massacre in the town of Mai Kadra amidst a conflict in the Tigray Region. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​At least 600 people are confirmed to have been killed in a massacre in the town of Mai Kadra amidst a conflict in the Tigray Region.
News source(s): Addis Standard Reuters Washington Post Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Confirmed mass atrocity. Doubtlessly newsworthy. Will work on an article for the EHRC if necessary. Varavour (talk) 17:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Xinhua? – Sca (talk) 19:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • CommentReuters attributes this report to Ethiopia’s state-appointed human rights commission. – Sca (talk) 19:23, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Has this been independently verified by any reputable independent source? There seems no evidence other than the say-so of a single body sponsored by the Ethiopian state. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Tigray is already on ongoing and we are not going to post every single update related to that on ITN (just like we did not for Nagorno Karabakh) and clearly not give air to state-sponsored reports of massacres. (On a side note I wouldn't cite Xinhua even in noms). Gotitbro (talk) 21:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Striking oppose for now. If the Amnesty report cited above is independent of the EHRC and is reported on separately then I think this demands attention, but the blurb needs to be updated to reflect that. Gotitbro (talk) 21:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
I am tilting towards support but both the blurbs don't do justice. The first makes it seems as if only the EHRC has verified the massacre and the second takes the EHRC's 600 number at face value (Amnesty does not confirm them and gives vague estimates). Need a better blurb to judge this. Gotitbro (talk) 05:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support despite being on ongoing, a massacre of 600+ people demands attention. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 21:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support it's "stale" but I guess we just found out about it and the article is much better than the rubbish currently featured in ongoing --LaserLegs (talk) 21:56, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support A massacre of 600 people aimed at ethnic cleansing is not something that we see frequently. Despite the conflict being already posted to ongoing, this is an event that merits a blurb on its own.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Well it has been reported by the Xinhua (even though Sca has removed that link) so it isn't just NATOist atrocity propaganda, although the involvement of amnesty international is concerning. Support on notability, though I'd love to references to organizations that are not paid off by Washingtonian think-tanks that certify the measure of 600+ deahts as plausible CoronaOneLove (talk) 00:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • I did not remove the link – I merely questioned the reliability of state-owned Xinhua as a source in the small-font note at the top of this page. – Sca (talk) 14:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
PS: Story has been mostly absent from primary Eng.-lang. RS sites. However, today Reuters says "African envoys" headed for Ethiopia to investigate. – Sca (talk) 14:17, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Um what? Neither is Ethiopia/TPLF a member of or connected to the NATO nor is the Xinhua report critical of the Ethiopian government (attributed to the TPLF and China enjoys rather good relations with Ethiopia which is why Xinhua was being opposed/subsequently removed). Gotitbro (talk) 04:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I think he's trying to say that it could be agitprop for NATO to intervene in Ethiopia. They're already right next door. In any case he negated his own point.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose This happened over two weeks ago. Could have supported a nom for it then, but if you consider ITN this would have aged off the list by now. And this is already part of "ongoing". Albertaont (talk) 02:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support news: massacre. Also the blurbs are fine.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 05:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose, sadly. The motivating factor for our posting this seems to be the declaration by members of Ethiopia's government. This was in the news 12-14 November, from Amnesty and other international groups. I would have strongly supported then, regardless of whether it was in Ongoing or not. As it is, it is stale, and the declarations by political figures are covered by Ongoing.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
The further announcement by the government has only lead to more recent coverage than the initial reports by other organizations. Gotitbro (talk) 06:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support even though late, still a major disaster resulting in the deaths of hundreds. The fact that it's late doesn't really mean anything, as these things often take a while to be reported on. Gex4pls (talk) 20:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment wondering what is holding this news back. Two other news, one about baseball and one on a new political leader, in my opinion are less important news than this. Then a third "news" which is really an RD on surprise yawn surprise football. This news on a massacre is important.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 06:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Independent confirmation remains dubious. No longer in the RS news. – Sca (talk) 13:44, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Chang'e 5Edit

It looks like nom was pre-mature, without getting into the merits itself. Short mission so can re-nom once it gets to the moon. Albertaont (talk) 23:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Chang'e 5 (talk, history)
Blurb: ​China launches Chang'e 5, the first lunar sample-return mission in more than 40 years. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​China launches Chang'e 5, the country's first lunar sample-return mission.
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Big news. Don't want space news? CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 16:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. The arrival of the probe at its destination will be WP:ITNR. 331dot (talk) 17:08, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Per how we've framed space exploration events in ITNR and the shortness of this mission, the better point to post this, presuming a successful mission, will be on Dec 16-17th after it has returned from the moon with samples, the end of a successful lunar sampling mission. While getting to the moon is arguably an ITNR "getting to its destination" its not going to spend much time there and thus might as well wait for the return. Would be willing to consider if it gets to the moon then fails, as that Indian moon lander had done, as a post as well. --Masem (t) 17:11, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – Agree with Masem. Let's wait & see if it succeeds in bringing back moon rocks or green cheese.
    Sca (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. In addition to the above statements, if any of you is holding the pen on this article -- please fix the article for tense. E.g. most portions of the article is written as "launch is expected on November 24". Also, a dedicated prose section on the mission is required. E.g. section from the most recent mission to the ISS here. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 19:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Article quality is insufficient for main page. Several parts have not been updated and still speak of the launch as taking place in the future. If those issues are fixed, consider this a full support without having to ping me to make me change my vote again. --Jayron32 19:55, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Fixed the time sensitive part. Can't find other time sensitive sentences. Someone else can help fix them if they bother to. Makes it more difficult when I hadn't written any part of the article. Right now I wish to log off. It also seems some people only prefer a space news when a mission becomes successful. Hhhmmmmm...--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 20:22, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
People want something substantial to be there in the blurb (failed launch, failed/successful landing, return etc.) rather than simply a barebones launch. Gotitbro (talk) 21:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
An ITNR is the successful launch of a new rocket, but this doesn't seem to be a new rocket. It's a mission with a rather short term (3-4 weeks) end so it seems better to wait for that point. --Masem (t) 21:41, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support in principle once a successful takeoff. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 21:17, 24 November 2020 (UTC)u

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(Posted) David DinkinsEdit

Article: David Dinkins (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Daily News, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former mayor of New York City. 173.50.80.42 (talk) 05:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support: Article seems to be in pretty good shape. I've made a couple minor fixes and added a missing reference; others may see more to clean up or fill in, but it looks to me like it's good enough quality to post this now. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:18, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality on a couple of uncited paragraphs (not to mention no prose update for his death). Also no blurb for this one, although Giuliani might warrant one when the time comes. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 05:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
    • Just added a prose section on his death, also mentioning his wife's death just last month. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:41, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
      • @Kudzu1: There's an uncited paragraph in "Mayoralty", some uncited stuff in "A 2009 lookback", and one uncited paragraph in "Personal life", otherwise it looks good. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 06:18, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks fine and a good, interesting nom. Some dangling sentences but those just require ref re-arrangements rather than being a case of missing refs. Gotitbro (talk) 05:43, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support concerns now look addressed JW 1961 Talk 14:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support should be all sourced. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good now Jgreyes (talk) 15:48, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted. --Jayron32 19:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - a couple of cites still needed.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose citations needed in BLP. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment marking as attention needed. Either the cite issues need fixing, or it must be pulled.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:34, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Pulled pending citation issues. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 23:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Re-Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 01:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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Sports


(Posted) RD: John Oldham (basketball)Edit

Article: John Oldham (basketball) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Courier-Journal
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: American basketball player and coach. Looks reasonable, I did some tidying up and referencing - Dumelow (talk) 11:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment. The lead needs a bit of expansion, it's just a single sentence at the moment. Eveyrthing else looks OK.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Amakuru, I've added a lead - Dumelow (talk) 12:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Good work, and thanks for fixing the issue above.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 22:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted): Tarun GogoiEdit

Article: Tarun Gogoi (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former chief minister of Assam, India. Senior leader of a national party. ƬheStrikeΣagle 16:44, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose for now, needs lots of references added to be brought up to RD standards JW 1961 Talk 19:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Changing to Support Much improved article, ready for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Gave the article a comprehensive re-write. Citations are good. Content development is good. Passes the 'Spencer' test. @Joseywales1961:, please give it a read. Happy to make additional edits. Ktin (talk) 01:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support: Article is very much improved with the good work by Ktin. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Comment. Article is good to go to homepage / RD. Meets hygiene expectations. Ktin (talk) 05:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Booker PrizeEdit

Article: Shuggie Bain (talk, history)
Blurb: Douglas Stuart's Shuggie Bain wins the Booker Prize. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Douglas Stuart's debut novel Shuggie Bain wins the Booker Prize.
News source(s): NYTimes Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: Booker prize is an ITNR event. Do not recollect seeing a nomination here. The book page has been bolded, please feel free to change that. How are plot summaries sourced? I do not see any sourcing for plot summary in the book's page. Ktin (talk) 09:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment. Ktin Plot summaries do not need to be sourced as one can read the book to confirm the plot. 331dot (talk) 09:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
    331dot, Makes sense. Thanks. With that the book seems well sourced. Ktin (talk) 09:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
    Though if there are third-party summaries RSes that can be sourced, it cannot hurt to include them. Further, if any interpretation/analysis of the plot is done, that must include sourcing from an RS to avoid the OR factor. --Masem (t) 14:44, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support While we can keep the nom here for visibility, this was announced Thursday and should be pegged there for roll-off purposes. At the moment, it would still be the top (most recent) item. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment I'm pretty sure the article doesn't need two non-free images (they aren't the subject of any contextual commentary, so having two fails NFCC#3a and NFCC#8). I would suggest removing the US one. Black Kite (talk) 15:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
    We generally use the cover of the first publication which would be the US version in this case. --Masem (t) 15:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
    Masem, Black Kite -- Done. Removed one of the images. Please feel free to revert / change if anything else is required there. Ktin (talk) 15:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, but needs appropriate italics in the blurb. —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:59, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
    Brigade Piron, Done. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 16:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 19:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment While the target article here is the novel, the article for the author needs work (is very stubby). Gotitbro (talk) 02:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
    Gotitbro, Edits and expansion done. Douglas Stuart article is now at the boundary of a start-class and C-class biography. Looks good imho. Ktin (talk) 05:34, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Patrick QuinnEdit

Article: Patrick Quinn (ALS activist) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian NY Times
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: ALS advocacy activist. Page created and updated. Shaped up to a clean C-class biography. Happy to build further if needed. Ktin (talk) 01:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment An article appears to have been started now but I am not sure about the notability of the subject for a separate article. Creator of a one-time social media phenomenon (Ice Bucket Challenge) but is he notable beyond just that. Gotitbro (talk) 02:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
    Gotitbro, I think the article should be good. The impact is more than a viral meme. Lots of good work has happened / has been enabled. Ktin (talk) 09:51, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support As the sourced article exists I believe the notability is deemed established. Decently sourced and suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 14:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Please can I request an additional pair of eyes on this one. The article looks clean and meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 18:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Sourcing looks fine.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 23:06, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

November 22Edit

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(Posted) RD: Maurice SettersEdit

Article: Maurice Setters (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: English footballer (West Brom, Man United, Stoke) and manager (Doncaster). Can't do too much at the moment from my phone but I've added some missing citations and the rest looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 08:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Well sourced, look good for RD JW 1961 Talk 14:20, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good. Teemu08 (talk) 14:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • SupportOppose on sourcing + content. Please have a re-look at the sources, many of the sources are web-forums / discussion boards. I have taken a pass at tagging a few of them. Also, there is no content in the main body on Maurice as a person (including mention of his death, outside of the lede), I know this has been asked for in a few RDs. Ktin (talk) 19:20, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Wait: Ktin is right. I missed that sourcing issue in my quick look earlier and this should not be posted until rectified. I’ll see if I can take a look at finding some better sources tomorrow. Thanks for spotting this - Dumelow (talk) 23:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Ready?: Ktin, I've given it a bit of an overhaul, replaced that source and expanded a little. Hopefully it should now be ready - Dumelow (talk) 10:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Nice work Dumelow. I struck my oppose vote. Looks good to go to homepage / RD. Any chance you can find something about his early life and add that? That will nicely round up the bio. Wow, I searched for that, absolutely nothing that I could find on a quick search. That said, this is good to go to homepage in its current state. Ktin (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Looks fine.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted. RIP Maurice, a true Coventry City F.C. hero - this was before my time, but he was instrumental in keeping the club in the top flight in the late 1960s.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hamish MacInnesEdit

Article: Hamish MacInnes (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Scotsman
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Scottish mountaineer. Articke looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 07:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment: Added a [CN] tag to the psych hospital-related content; article could use a tad more expansion about his career but I'm not opposed. SpencerT•C 16:55, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. The infobox on the RHS needs to be fixed. Ktin (talk) 19:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi Spencer. I'm a bit limited on time today but I've cited his illness and expanded a little on that and his film work. Ktin, per WP:Infobox, they are purely optional - Dumelow (talk) 20:07, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
    Dumelow, Added the infobox including a minorly cropped image. Did a round of edits. Article is well sourced. And, wow - the last paragraph was just too tragic to read. RIP. This is good to go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 07:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. Expanded content. Clean B-class biography. Sources good. Good to go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 08:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 10:51, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Unfortunately, the carousel moved past too fast. RIP Mr. MacInnes. And, folks wanting to see something about the man - here goes. Ktin (talk) 01:06, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sidi Ould Cheikh AbdallahiEdit

Article: Sidi Ould Cheikh Abdallahi (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard (Kenya)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former Mauritanian president. I am travelling at the moment and can only edit from my phone but I've done a basic update on his death and the rest of the article looks acceptable - Dumelow (talk) 07:55, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

  • Posted to RD. Thorough coverage of life; well-referenced. SpencerT•C 16:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support in case someone gets all up-tight about a good call from a trusted admin about an article nominated by a trusted editor. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Can't have African leaders on the front-page you know. Gotitbro (talk) 06:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lupo (dog)Edit

Article: Lupo (dog) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Royal dog. Article looks OK. Death reported 22 November - Dumelow (talk) 08:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: 2020 US Presidential Election disputesEdit

Strong consensus against posting this. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Nominator's comments: Adding template LaserLegs (talk) 14:02, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Could someone(s) knowledgeable with ITN criteria consider this article for inclusion? Feoffer (talk) 11:13, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

As the legal challenges are not expected to accomplish anything, I think it is premature to consider this. 331dot (talk) 11:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
I agree that it's premature to consider this even though it's been in the news for a while. We still don't know how this is going to end up, so it's reasonable to wait until something concrete happens.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:20, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Possibly a subject for Ongoing, as it certainly is going on, and on, and on.... [8] [9] Article title is obviously way too long. – Sca (talk) 13:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Support until the EC votes. The MAGAts will never accept the results, but the legal challenges will cease after December 14. I think really it should be merged with MAGA terrorist attacks since it's all the same bat shit conspiracy theories and basement dwellers but on two separate tracks. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose There is an issue if Trump refuses to transfer power come Jan 20 2021, but the attempts to dispute the election are mostly considered as jokes by political experts and the media until then. Yes, its all over the US news but only because it is slowing down the transition of power, but it is not "news news". (Also, and I can't put my finger on it exactly, but there's something that seems not NPOV on that article. For 2016, there was a section in the election article about post-election events and I feel this should be part of that, not standalone, and that would be part of the way to fix it). --Masem (t) 14:10, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
It may not be "news news", but it is in fact "in the news" which is what we do around here ... --LaserLegs (talk) 14:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
It is part of the media's overt focus on US politics that we have to purposely overlook as a global encyclopedia. --Masem (t) 15:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
We do? Nifty, could you show me where that is in the guidelines I can't find it --LaserLegs (talk) 17:10, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose not interesting any longer. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose There's nothing "apparent" about this. Biden IS the President-elect. In terms of legal challenges, Trump's campaign team is working from that asserted fact, and they have been batting below the Mendoza line in all of their attempts to overturn that. Unless something truly dramatic occurs like a legislature or canvassing board going rogue and countervening the will of the voters, this is essentially a non-story. WaltCip-(talk) 15:11, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose come on.... Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Bad title, something better for ongoing would be 2020 United States election protests. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support first time that it was this bad in USA history. Something like this just doesn't happen frequently. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 20:17, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Will remain as mere internal jockeying unless there is a highly unlikely mass faithless voting in the Electoral College. Even Senator Toomey has acknowledged the exhaustion of any legal challenges in the commonwealth he represents, Pennsylvania, and thus congratulated Biden. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:50, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Wanna be strongman has a sad, files frivolous lawsuits that wouldn't even change the results of the election if he won every single one. Call me when there's an actual coup attempt. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not making the headlines here, even when I scrolled down to the International section (dominated by the news from Belarus). Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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