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July 31

ITN Candidates for July 31

  • Nominating Mars. Could be a very important event in the future of mankind; makes colonization of the red planet more feasible.--Bedford Pray 00:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
The ref tag added to the updated sentence was not closed and contained no content. I have removed it and replaced it with a {{fact}} tag. Unreferenced updates cannot be placed on ITN. Also, a single sentence of updated content is considered questionable for ITN; please add content as necessary to let the reader know the 'how' and 'what' of the story. Thanks, BanyanTree 03:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I am sceptic, two weeks ago it was announced that water ice was found. This is actually the first time they probed it. In any case, the article needs some more about this and there's plenty of info at the NASA website. --Tone 07:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I have added the ref several hours ago.--Bedford Pray 15:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Discussion over this item appears to be stalemated in no consensus. ITN candidates lacking consensus may be posted at the discretion of an admin, but input from other reviewers to clarify consensus would be appreciated. - BanyanTree 21:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Not ITN in my opinion. If it were a head of state directly, this would be a good candidate but since it's his wife... --Tone 07:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Discussion over this item appears to be stalemated in no consensus. ITN candidates lacking consensus may be posted at the discretion of an admin, but input from other reviewers to clarify consensus would be appreciated. - BanyanTree 21:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

July 30

ITN Candidates for July 30

  • Prospective nom of Qantas Flight 30. Assuming that the AFD discussion is closed after the normal five days, this article will become a viable candidate very soon and it'd be worth seeing what people think of posting this hook. - BanyanTree 11:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Unless this has some wider ramifications, like a grounding of the fleet or an overhaul in aeroplane design, then as an isolated incident in which fortunately no one perished I don't think it should go up. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 00:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
In any case, this is already a six days old item so the others have a priority. --Tone 06:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the Olmert item could go up when he resigns. SpencerT♦C 21:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

  • No, this is his actual announcement of resignation; his actual resignation day will be fairly uneventful. However, the current wording sounds kind of off. How about:
Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Olmert announces that he will not participate in the Kadima September primary election, effectively signaling his resignation as Prime Minister. Lockesdonkey (talk) 21:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Could reviewers of this item please specify whether they want it posted now or if there should be a wait until the actual resignation, though both is always an option. - BanyanTree 22:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I think this could go up, but if we have a large glut of other stuff (2+), this should wait. And also, as of now, there is only a two sentence update in the article, so it wouldn't be appicable. SpencerT♦C 00:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it should go up now: this was the big announcement, the rest is just technicalities. I have expanded the information on his resignation slightly in the Ehud Olmert article, and added a link to the full text of the resignation speech. --Zvika (talk) 06:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Looks good now. Maybe the wording could be changed to stress the fact he is resigning, not that he is not running in the party elections. And there is a pd image as well, could be used. --Tone 06:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
How about this: Amidst accusations of corruption, Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Olmert announces he will resign following the Kadima party primary election in September. --Zvika (talk) 06:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Posted. - BanyanTree 07:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

July 29

ITN Candidates for July 29

On a procedural level, ITN won't highlight articles with AFD tags, like the Qantas article suggested below, but it appears that this might end up with a SNOW keep and would therefore be eligible in time. I'll leave judgment about notability to other reviewers. - BanyanTree 00:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Wait until AFD is over. But still, it's only 5.8, pretty low for ITN standards...but still I'll support. SpencerT♦C 01:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't know... it's a relatively minor quake for Calif., and it's not even the biggest U.S. news story of the day (that being the indictment of Senator Ted Stevens). -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
They are only talking about three things on CNN: the murder of that woman soldier, the earthquake, and the senator's indictment. I think the earthquake is notable enough, but barely.--haha169 (talk) 05:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I doubt a sub-6.0 earthquake isn't important if it's in a place where they happen all the time (compare to Illinois and Market Rasen, the strongest earthquakes to hit a whole state/country for years). Sceptre (talk) 12:34, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Sceptre, I'm certain you've already read the counter-statement to that many times. It happened in Los Angeles, not the middle of the Illinois prairie. --haha169 (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Including the discussion below, I count three weak supports (including the nom), one 'doubt' I'm counting as weak oppose and one 'don't know' I count as neutral. Posted as the second item in the date sub-queue because of questions of significance. - BanyanTree 22:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC) Struck phrase after refactoring for clarity. - BanyanTree 06:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Update The earthquake article is no longer at AfD. Therefore, the sole reason against its addition is gone. --haha169 (talk) 22:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Really? We had a 5.2 magnitude earthquake in the UK (a much rarer occurrence) earlier this year in which the primary victim was somebody's chimney. I wouldn't expect that to get posted and neither do I think this should go up. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Really? I think the Lincolnshire earthquake could have bumped The euro reaches a record closure exchange rate of US$1.5044. --Elliskev 00:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC
Well unless the archives and page histories are lying to me, it didn't. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 01:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, well. shrug --Elliskev 01:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is this on the main page? The article should be kept, but I don't see how this is important enough to warrant that position (of course, I feel the same way about the addition of any terrorist incident that killed a few people).Westrim (talk) 00:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I live in LA, and this disrupted my day for all of 3 minutes. A potted plant fell off my piano in my apartment, big deal--and that's pretty representative of the damage for the day. I'm amazed it even made national news. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Oooh, an actual argument on ITN/C. How exciting!
OK, I count three weak supports (assuming that two supports haven't changed the intensity of their feelings despite the ongoing discussion), one neutral and three solid opposes and one weak oppose. Note that ITN guidelines require a consensus for exclusion, rather than inclusion, which I think this has reached. Removed. - BanyanTree 06:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
If this goes up, Cape Verde needs to go down. SpencerT♦C 01:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand the causative link. - BanyanTree 01:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
They're both WTO-related, and its mentioned in the Cape Verde article that the country's acceptance may affect the talks. SpencerT♦C 01:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, you are quite right. - BanyanTree 01:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted Doha. - BanyanTree 06:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

July 28

ITN Candidates for July 28

I think the George Tupou V item is notable, and if its updated, we may have people complaining about small Pacific islands bias. --SpencerT♦C 13:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Now needs two sentences, and a nice quote. SpencerT♦C 13:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm done. It may need a quick look over, but here's wording: King George Tupou V of Tonga relinquishes many of his powers, ending centuries of absolute monarchy.
Wow, just noticed that if this goes up, my updates will account for half of ITN. But guys, I'm going to be gone starting Friday for two weeks, so you might want to see what you can do. My strategy: glean information from multiple sources searching the subject on Google news. Cheers, SpencerT♦C 17:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. - BanyanTree 06:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Taking silence as enthusiastic support. Posted. - BanyanTree 22:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

July 27

ITN Candidates for July 27

Suggest the use of Commons:Image:Carlos Sastre 2005 TdF Stage 20 St Etienne ITT.jpg (right, may need some cropping). Commons:Image:Carlos Sastre.jpg looks good, too, but let's not put so many corporate logos on ITN. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 21:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I found another pic. - BanyanTree 23:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Generally speaking, ITN prefers new event-specific articles to have about 3 paragraphs of well-formed text before posting. This is definitely a candidate once it fills out. - BanyanTree 23:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I filled it out a little more...is that good enough? SpencerT♦C 13:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and can we use Image:Carlos sastre 2008.jpg for the Tour de France item? It has Sastre with the yellow jersey in Paris. SpencerT♦C 13:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
An admin who considers sarcastic editnotes appropriate has removed the specification of the sport, although when the photo is replaced, this will not be obvious to some readers. It is also the convention to give the nationality of sportspeople in the blurb when recording results here. Kevin McE (talk) 14:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Oooh, newly uploaded image. Changed. I think my primary mode of communication is sarcastic edit summaries, but done and done. - BanyanTree 23:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Not you that I meant (not this time, anyway :@) ) Kevin McE (talk) 08:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

July 26

ITN Candidates for July 26

  • (For halfway down the list, replacing the Cape Verde entry): U.S. presidential candidate Barak Obama tours Europe, speaking to a crowd of 200,000 in Berlin.
The No. 1 international news story in the West this past week; it's absurd that it has not been nominated. Note discussion on Template talk:In the news regarding the unofficial policy to limit mentions of the US election. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Please bold the link to the updated article to help reviewers. Thanks, BanyanTree 03:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't seem to be an article on the tour itself, so I've bolded Obama's name. In fact, there's very little about the speech on Wikipedia; nonetheless, it's still more appropriate than Cape Verde. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 13:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Unless there is an updated article, then I don't see anything to discuss, regardless of whether it's more appropriate. This is wikipedia, not wikinews and we don't really care what the top international news story is. Having said that, I'm not convinced Cape Verde should have been added but it seems a bit late now (and I never said it should). There are quite a lot of top Western international news stories which don't seem to make it to ITN, for example I don't recall reading about new year's day on ITN. From where I see, the top Western international news story the last week was probably Radovan Karadžić arrest which was well covered for a few days (and which we did have on ITN), perhaps followed by the Indian confidence vote. Now of course the bombings in India have taken centre stage. Obama's tour was definitely up there, but I wouldn't say it was the top story. Nil Einne (talk) 15:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
No way should this go up. 119.95.21.132 (talk) 03:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
'Strong support. --Hermant patel (talk) 11:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Support I suppose I would've wished for more diversified refs, this does work. Wording needs a little work...also add ", China" after Kunming to help those that don't know where it is. SpencerT♦C 13:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
How about: Two are killed and more are injured after bus explosions in Kunming, China.
The above is bare bones, and you can add mention of the Olympics afterward, I suppose. SpencerT♦C 13:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Oppose mention of the Olympics for now. This claim of responsibility and threat might be from a big new terrorist group or a couple of junior high school pranksters with access to a fax machine. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. Video is not investigated yet and nobody knows of such an organisation. City and Chinese officials also denied that this was a "terror attack" against the olympics. --Dfgxx (talk) 01:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
This suggestion appears to have opposition, as opposed to even a stalemated discussion, but Spencer's suggestion seems totally uncontroversial. Posted, though I've never seen such a collection of explosive mayhem on ITN. Anybody have any shuttle missions or world records in track to lighten things up? ;) - BanyanTree 23:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I should note that this is posted under that date of the bombing, rather than the date of the claim of responsibility, since we stripped that bit out. - BanyanTree 23:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
  • At least four explosions have hit the western Indian city of Ahmedabad. This has happened in Ahmedabad at 6pm local time, the next to Bangalore attacks. [1] --Phoe6 (talk) 15:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Strong Support. Possible blurb could be:
Serial blasts in Ahmedabad, India, a day after a similar attack in Bangalore, kills 15 people and injures 100. --Emperor Genius (talk) 15:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
ALT A series of bomb blasts in Ahmedabad, India, a day after similar blasts in Bangalore, kills 18 people and injures 100. Mspraveen (talk) 16:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Strong support - Mspraveen, nice to see you here buddy. --gppande «talk» 17:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
The article could've had some expanding/cleanup before going up, but I'll attempt to do that now. SpencerT♦C 18:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

July 25

ITN Candidates for July 25

Strong support --Emperor Genius (talk) 10:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The article looks ok, support. --Tone 10:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
It appears to duplicate 2008 Bengaluru bombings and there is a tag that these be merged. That should be resolved before posting. - BanyanTree 13:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
All resolved. Single page now as all pages have been merged. See Talk:2008 Bangalore serial blasts --gppande «talk» 14:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is it taking so long to post in ITN? --Emperor Genius (talk) 14:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. --Tone 14:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominating Qantas Flight 30. One look at the AfD (or even your nightly news - it is the headline story on CBS News tonight) and you'll see that the outcome of the deletion discussion is a foregone conclusion. I am also going to propose some new wording:
Qantas Flight 30 suffers structural damage as a result of an explosive decompression and makes an emergency landing in Manila. Plasticup T/C 00:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
There is no way an article with an AFD tag can be the lead item on ITN. If the tag gets removed due to a SNOW keep, please post an update here. - BanyanTree 02:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Kapiliele Faupala is crowned the new King of Wallis (Uvea), succeeding the late Tomasi Kulimoetoke II (pictured) in Wallis and Futuna. -- nom by Scanlan (talk) 18:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC) (Hopefully I did all the nomination steps correctly this time!)
OK, I've been waiting for somebody to make the "You just can't put two items on small island nations/protectorates on ITN!" argument. It's been over 24 hours and I'm taking silence as enthusiastic support. Posted. - BanyanTree 00:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Can't the admins wait? ITN is not BBC. We don't have deadlines. This is like the announcement of the new mayor of Bloomingdale, Illinois. --Howard the Duck 16:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
We do seem to be running through a dry spell, don't we? That said, I would suggest opposing items about small island governments you disagree with on the grounds of notability. As it is, expecting admins to glean support, opposition or "meh" from silence is a bit too much to ask. - BanyanTree 23:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

July 24

ITN Candidates for July 24

I candidate the sad news on Rezazadeh since he is the current world record holder and a sporting legend. --S I A M A X (talk) 08:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to have to say no. I know of other athletes (for example, Haile Gebrselassie, marathon world record holder, has concerns about his Asthma and Beijing's pollution) who aren't participating in the games. SpencerT♦C 14:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
No citations for update. Also appears to be less notable than the Iraq Olympic item so a merge/replacement would be awkward. - BanyanTree 02:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
  • What about Iraq team being suspended? In this case it is the whole team. Just to check what's the situation with the article... --Tone 16:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I updated Iraq at the 2008 Summer Olympics. I was just about to nominate it. SpencerT♦C 19:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
because of political interference from the government. still sounds a bit clumsy but the article itself is in good shape now. By the way, anyone knows if they are banned from the paraolympics as well? The two articles do not mention it. --Tone 21:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if my rephrasing is any better. Posted. - BanyanTree 22:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
About the paralymics, I found no information...I don't know. SpencerT♦C 00:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

July 23

ITN Candidates for July 23

I've heard worse reasoning for a candidate. That's a decent update. Posted, though I look forward to seeing what form the "OMIGOD, Cape Verde bias!!!" posts take. - BanyanTree 07:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't see too much wrong with it. It's a bit short, but does it matter too much? I'll see if I can also update Economy of Cape Verde. SpencerT♦C 14:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

July 22

ITN Candidates for July 22

Please follow the instructions at the top of the page. Specifically, add a blurb to Portal:Current events with an external link to a relevant news article, and make a nomination here by emboldening a link to the updated article. - BanyanTree 07:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I have added the blurb in the current event portal. Result will be out in another 1 or 2. So hold on. We have a big news coming soon. --gppande «talk» 12:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
UPA wins trust vote 275-256 --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 16:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Strong support. Possible blurb could be:
The United Progressive Alliance-led Government of India wins the vote of confidence motion in the Lok Sabha, ahead of IAEA's Board of Governors meet over the Indo-US nuclear deal.
--Emperor Genius (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Nominating UPA led government in India wins no-confidence vote after Left Front withdrew support. Article cleaned, expanded and referenced. --gppande «talk» 20:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. - BanyanTree 22:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
There was a vote of confidence. Please make correction ASAP. --Emperor Genius (talk) 04:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominating the blurb above about Stephen Payne (I think this is the correct place to put this). It's getting attention in the mainstream media, and it seems there will soon be a congressional investigation into the matter. Otebig (talk) 22:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't see a blurb about Payne...was is possibly removed? SpencerT♦C 01:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it was removed, someone said it was reported on July 13. We just made the article about Payne a couple of days ago, though, which is why I put it up now. But, I can understand not wanting to repeat a news story. Otebig (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

July 21

ITN Candidates for July 21

I think is a one of a kind superb news I have heard in my knowledge of economic history of world. Article is updated. Seems to qualify by all rules. So support. --gppande «talk» 18:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Article currently only has one sentence regarding this 100b bank note. SpencerT♦C 20:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Bah, Yugoslavia had 500 billion dinar note.--Avala (talk) 22:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Can't tell if Avala is making an objection based on notability, or what. As for the update, it's difficult for econ articles, which deal mainly with trends to find events to highlight, without making giving those events disproportionate coverage. I don't have any problem understanding the background to the blurb, which is what the "enough" update criteria is meant to get at. Posted, but not at the top. - BanyanTree 03:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Yugoslavia also had a 1 trillion note for tax purposes. SpencerT♦C 14:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Can some one point me some info here. I am thinking of coming up with a new article for all these types of notes. Would take to DYK. --gppande «talk» 14:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Comment - Would it be possible to place a link to Hyperinflation or Hyperinflation in Zimbabwe somewhere in the sentence? Yorkshiresky (talk) 08:31, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Sure, I pipelinked inflation to Hyperinflation in Zimbabwe. - BanyanTree 08:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominating Nepalese Constituent Assembly election, 2008 election news. --gppande «talk» 08:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
    • It should be the presidential election. Do note that as of now there is still no official result. The chinadaily.cn just states that its probable (simple aritmatics) that Yadav will win. --Soman (talk) 09:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, the news line above has the same wording. Feel free to alter. BTW, official announcement would come in next 2 hours as per Chinadaily. --gppande «talk» 09:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
  • It's official now. Yadav won the presidential election. News has been updated in the election article above. Read --gppande «talk» 13:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, my fault, we have this article --gppande «talk» 13:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. - BanyanTree 13:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
The part in the article about the 12 deaths is pretty weak, overall, the article looks good. Nice refs. SpencerT♦C 01:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted, as second item. The ICTY item appears bigger and, if Dolly does something nasty, the blurb can be updated and moved to the top later. - BanyanTree 03:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

We have an OFFICIAL STATEMENT from the Ministry of Interior Affairs that it was not involved in the arrest. Therefore, the part Radovan Karadzic "arrested by police" must be removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.208.237.145 (talkcontribs) 22:40, 21 July 2008

Note that ALL-CAPS does not improve the credibility of an uncited statement. In any case, reworded to use the term found in the article. BanyanTree 03:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Nom: The first trial of a Guantanamo Bay detention camp inmate begins with Salim Hamdan, the former driver and bodyguard of Osama bin Laden, pleading not guilty. - BanyanTree 07:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Taking silence as enthusiastic support. Posted. - BanyanTree 01:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I think there needs to be mention of the charges brought against him, that is after all what the trial is about. Suggest: "The first trial of a Guantanamo Bay detention camp inmate begins with Salim Hamdan, the former driver and bodyguard of Osama bin Laden, pleading not guilty to charges of conspiracy and supporting terrorism." (charges taken from source on Salim Hamdan's page). --FearedInLasVegas (talk) 02:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Added. - BanyanTree 04:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, missed this. In the future, bullet noms. Thanks, SpencerT♦C 19:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Ha! Own medicine and all that... - BanyanTree 22:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

July 20

ITN Candidates for July 20

Weak support Article could use a bit more prose, but otherwise, it's OK. SpencerT♦C 00:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough, but we're out of time, so I feel this should go up. Random89 06:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I feel that I'm pretty aggressive when it comes to "time's up" updates, but I don't see a single ref in that article backing up the announcement of a winner. I'm holding off for now. - BanyanTree 07:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Strong support, fits WP:ITNSPORTS and is even more notable as he's the first European in more than a hundred years to successfully defend his title. Yorkshiresky (talk) 11:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Since been updated by Random89. Thanks. Posted. - BanyanTree 13:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

July 19

ITN candidates for July 19

July 18

ITN candidates for July 18

  • Nominate and support Quantas article. There's not much In The News about Australia, but it also applies worldwide. BobAmnertiopsisChitChat Me! 12:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
The article doesn't appear to be updated. SpencerT♦C 18:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Still appears to not be updated. - BanyanTree 07:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Not really internationally notable. SpencerT♦C 18:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
To me, not substantive enough of an article to support being the emboldened link, as well as questionable amount of updating. - BanyanTree 07:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Nom Prasat Preah Vihear entry, perhaps to relevant section, or just to article. Is well updated and cited. It looks a bit messy, so I might take a stab at cleaning it up first, but either way I think its good enough to go on the template. Also, an image of the temple might be good for the thumbnail. Random89 20:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
As you say, the string of single-sentence paragraphs in the relevant section is not ideal. Probably good enough for a timer-enforced update, but I'd like to give it a bit of time and see if it shapes up some more. - BanyanTree 23:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, it got broken into a separate article, and still hasn't been shaped up much, but, per my previous statement: time's up and posted. Note that there is no relevant image that currently seems particularly informative at thumbnail size. - BanyanTree 05:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

July 17

ITN candidates for July 17

Article looks good. Do we want to use the picture in the article? I'm not sure, though it seems a bit small. SpencerT♦C 11:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I also endorse this nomination. The picture is interesting... but, maybe this picture Image:Ratzinger Szczepanow Derivative.png might come out better, or a cropped version of Hapsala's suggestion? 192.121.84.241 (talk) 12:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Agreed; a cropped version of said image WOULD look better. Support article. BobAmnertiopsisChitChat Me! 18:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I found the most cropped image at commons:Category:Benedictus XVI and used that. Posted. - BanyanTree 23:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
So much is still described in future tense in this article. Was it updated? Is there a ref for the 150,000 people actually showing up, not just a ref for the expected participation? --PFHLai (talk) 18:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's a SNAFU. Removed. - BanyanTree 23:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
As a total red-timer hack, I readded this without mention of a number. - BanyanTree 08:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 
Typhoon Kalmaegi...This image, cropped square?

I'm going to work on updating the Typhoon Helen article. SpencerT♦C 18:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Nominate Typhoon Kalmaegi (Helen), though we CANNOT use the Portal current events wording, as it is not the current information. SpencerT♦C 19:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you have phrasing in mind? - BanyanTree 23:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
One sec...I want to have an updated death count first here and in the article. SpencerT♦C 00:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
If you want to crop the image and get it ready, that would help. SpencerT♦C 00:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Off my computer with photo editing software, so can't help out there. - BanyanTree 04:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
How about:
13 from Taiwan (confirmed so far), 2 from Philippines. Should (Helen) be added after the Kalmaegi because that's the Filipino name...I forget what we did with Fengsheng. SpencerT♦C 00:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. I don't recall either. I'm sure someone will come along and yell if they think we've done it wrong. - BanyanTree 04:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

July 16

ITN candidates for July 16

Short length and two merge tags. Also, please embolden links to updated articles. Thanks, BanyanTree 04:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Has grown a bit but still has two merge tags, which just seems very ungood for the emboldened link. - BanyanTree 08:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominating Anwar's arrest. His arrest over sodomy charges is significant given that he was thrown out of office as DPM on the same charge a decade before, and he is currently the de facto opposition leader in Malaysia. It is likely to be another turning point in Malaysian politics. - Mailer Diablo 12:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
When nominating items, please embolden the link to the updated article. The bold text tells reviewers that a new suggestion is up and the link allows commenters to get to the article. - BanyanTree 04:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I personally find the section in the Anwar article about his arrest a bit confusing, and possibly needs some wording changes. SpencerT♦C 19:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Time's up. The Anwar item appears to be the best updated so far of today's suggestions. Posted. - BanyanTree 04:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 
Mannar District.
Feel free to change the news line. --gppande «talk» 14:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Weak support, It's okay, but the top tags on the article worry me. --SpencerT♦C 19:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I did some cleanup to the section, and added a couple more refs to the article. The sentences in the update needed to be condensed, so now there are 3 sentences...now not at ITN standards...I'll see if I can add more. Now, my only concern is that the article states the town captured is "major", though it doesn't have an article on wikipedia. See if you can find it under a different title, or with a different spelling, etc. SpencerT♦C 01:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I got this added to the article Vidattaltivu is the biggest town situated on Sri Lanka's North-Western coast and was major base of Sea Tigers. Ref added.--gppande «talk» 11:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Good. Looks good now, though I wish Vidattaltivu had an article. I'd create one, but I haveto go now. SpencerT♦C 11:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Created. --gppande «talk» 12:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. - BanyanTree 23:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

July 15

ITN candidates for July 15

Unofficial nominate of Yves Leterme, but the article isn't updated. SpencerT♦C 19:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

There is a small update at Leterme I Government, but it needs a lot more of course. Fram (talk) 04:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Another. I plan to expand 15 July 2008 Baquba bombings. SpencerT♦C 01:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Withdrawn. Not quite notable for an attack in the region, and also not enough unique info. SpencerT♦C 01:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


July 14

ITN candidates for July 14

  • Nominate & Support InBev article, but make sure to include USD 50 Billion. Significant because of its size, multi-nationality. BobAmnertiopsisChitChat Me! 04:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Support pending sufficient update in either InBev or Anheuser-Busch. Agree on significance; takevover would create the world's largest beer maker. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 06:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Should we not wait for the government agencies to declare the takeover as OK? Potential news for future. Right now, it may or may not happen. --gppande «talk» 09:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I hadn't heard anything relating to antitrust issues, and a quick review of financial wires doesn't show any. Financial articles are totally on board this idea. I suppose it's possible that there will be a nativist reaction by US politicians, sort of like the one that sunk the ports deal, but that would be worth covering too IMO. There's actually a bit of editing ugliness here in which much of the updates went into the new article Anheuser-Busch InBev, which is now up for deletion, so it'll be worth keeping an eye on this to see if the articles become unstable and this blurb needs to be taken off. Posted. - BanyanTree 22:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Personally I like it, but I can't see how any update of the article could constitute more than a couple of sentences at most. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 00:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Support, but the article is not updated for the "reclassifies" part of the news. There should be some mention of why it was reclassified (meaning it was declassified earlier) and what directed IAU to take this decision --gppande «talk» 08:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
You mean a better ref to why did they classify it this way? Basically because they agreed on a name at last. I could not find a press release, but I've found a more descriptive ref. What about now? Nergaal (talk) 17:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
What I wanted was little bit of more text added to the article which tells of this significant IAU activity. I see 1 line in heading with 2 new refs but not sure if this is enough to get it on main page. Other admins like BanyanTree may voice their opinion here. --gppande «talk» 18:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It was never 'declassified', it was only discovered 3 years ago. Its status was undetermined, awaiting classification; that has now happened, and it now joins the 'dwarf planet' (only the 4th ever) and 'Plutoid' (only the 3rd ever) groups. Plus, it now has an official name. Radagast (talk) 18:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I understand and I support(as said earlier). Can you add some meat on it? I am not getting anything on google news to add some more text to Makemake article. --gppande «talk» 18:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Meat on it? Like what? Nergaal (talk) 19:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. Working Group for Planetary System Nomenclature is a redirect and has been omitted. - BanyanTree 22:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
No offense, but the map's kind boring. Can this image of Makemake be used? BobAmnertiopsisChitChat Me! 01:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Sure. - BanyanTree 09:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
We may want to include the fact that Makemake was formerly 2005 FY9 (like "Makemake, formerly 2005 FY9"). Since its naming is recent (but apparently before its classification as a dwarf planet), some may not realize they mean this particular KBO. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 15:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Are we being slow today? A new Ms. Universe (Venezuela),[2] Sudan's president charged with genocide,[3] Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac saved from potential collapse[4] ... - Mtmelendez (Talk) 13:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and added the Miss Universe info, since that has been traditionally included on ITN given it's international press coverage. If you disagree or have any suggestions, please say so below. There are quite a few more stories worth mentioning, so please discuss below. - Mtmelendez (Talk) 13:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you put up a picture of Miss universe or that volcano story. Need a picture of something near the top of the ITN section. Don't see why the Booker prize thing was an ITN item anyway. Thanks --Dfgxx (talk) 16:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm honestly not sure if Miss Universe should appear. This is no world-shattering event, and I would not even classify it along the sport-event lines, which require much more effort, in my opinion, by the newsmaker in question. If we have a lot of stories to cover, I'd say we skip that one. Radagast (talk) 17:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It's more followed than the booker prize award at least. The picture should be of the volcano erupting which I think is the largest story there. It also has fair news coverage. --Dfgxx (talk) 17:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It was followed by about 1 billion people... but seriously I am not sure which is worse: having football/soccer players winning awards on drugs, or miss worlds winning for bjs... Nergaal (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Please identify the articles relating to the ICC or Freddie Mac that have been updated sufficiently for inclusion in ITN by emboldening the link to the updated article and nominating them here for comment. Thanks, BanyanTree 22:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Nom Battle of Wanat. - BanyanTree 22:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Not enough refs. SpencerT♦C 23:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I support this nomination. It's the deadliest incident for US soldiers in Afghanistan in three years. I'm bewildered also by the previous comment that the number of references is insufficient. __meco (talk) 08:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
The two main sections - "Background" and "The battle" - have one reference between them. A well referenced update is required for an article to appear on ITN. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 09:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I added it to the template, I got edit conflicted here, I removed it from the template per the consensus against inclusion. - BanyanTree 09:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Article looks decent now, support. SpencerT♦C 01:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. - BanyanTree 02:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominate - the genocide charges against the Sudanese president Omar al-Bashir related looks like to the War in Darfur. I know already 2 items have been promoted to ITN today, so it may hurt its chances, but let's give it a shot (sure I could have myself placed it) It seems it is probably the top international news of the day, a president being charged by an International Court of war crime charges. --JForget 23:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Please offer an emboldened link to the relevant updated article, so commenters know where to look. - BanyanTree 23:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
War in Darfur has been updated. Could be displayed as follows:
-- Reaper X 04:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Support blurb. It might seem to make more sense to bold "Omar al-Bashir", but I suppose it depends which article has the best update. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 05:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Well I would say that the conflict in Darfur relates more to this news item than al-Bashir himself; the conflict is a large and conplicated matter that he was only a part of. -- Reaper X 06:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
He wasn't charged. The ICC prosecutor accused him of a crime and requested that the judges issue a formal charge, which I believe a first for a sitting head of state. Perhaps a better wording that what I came up with can be found. It seems the al-Bashir article offers a more focused update. In any case, posted. - BanyanTree 09:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

July 13

ITN candidates for July 13

The Union for the Mediterranean comprising 43 member nations is established. -- nom by Scanlan (talk) 16:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC) (Sorry I don't have a more creative statement!)

I would think that this is a story that deserves a sport. Shouldn't there be a current news media link somewhere for this? __meco (talk) 17:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, there should be an entry at Portal:Current events with a link to a news article. If there had been, I'm sure this would have posted before now. I don't think anyone is going to object on the grounds that it is too short, doesn't have enough citations or is not of international interest, so I (in an unusual case) feel OK going straight to a post. - BanyanTree 22:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

July 12

ITN candidates for July 12

Article has been updated with all possible news sources. Feel free to rephrase the line. --gppande «talk» 16:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Support Added a ref and a link, and the article looks good. That red timer sure is ugly. SpencerT♦C 18:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Support Can we get a picture of the eruption maybe? OR a picture of thirty-nine people fleeing in terror? --PlasmaTwa2 20:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I've added it. Sans picture for now, but that doesn't mean we can't find one. -- Natalya 20:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
By the by, I changed the grammar to say "the Aleutian Islands", but there's always a chance that there legitimately shouldn't be a "the" there... if anyone happens to know otherwise. -- Natalya 20:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Support Seems to be a slow news day. Hobartimus (talk) 21:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I just changed this because the island does not appear to have been evacuated. See this article. (Ten people were evacuated, and Unalaska Island has nearly 2000 residents.) People here may want to think of a better juicy blurb because I just chopped the second half off. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Didn't notice that. Just believed the usual news agencies. How about?
Mount Okmok on the island of Umnak in Aleutian Islands erupts, creating an ash cloud.
or maybe something else. --gppande «talk» 22:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Remember Okmok is on Umnak, which has 39 residents. Cape Field at Fort Glenn was evacuated, while apparently Nikolski, Alaska was not. Unalaska Island is a different place. SpencerT♦C 02:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, although its not too erupty in this picture, it IS a picture, and it's Public Domain. Sorry, no 39 people...BobAmnertiopsisChitChat Me! 04:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

July 11

ITN candidates for July 11

Article doesn't appear to be updated. SpencerT♦C 20:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The relevant article might be Lebanese government of July 2008, but it doesn't have prose updates or sufficient references. - BanyanTree 12:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
The article needs more information about the closure. SpencerT♦C 00:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
It looks like there has been a slight expansion since the above comment. Up until the current financial problems it was a stub, and the post-expansion writing and structure is still choppy. This article is marginal in my eyes - something that we should try to avoid putting as the top item in its current state, though I won't resist being forced into posting it by the timer and would probably be willing to post it into the middle of the template in its current state. - BanyanTree 02:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Some more content has been added and I put some section headers in, and the article doesn't look half-bad. Posted. - BanyanTree 06:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Since "second- or third-largest banking failure" looks like we don't know what we're talking about, I would recommend changing it to "one of the largest banking failures in United States history." Cumulus Clouds (talk) 18:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Looks like somebody already handled this. - BanyanTree 12:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Nom 2008 California wildfires. - BanyanTree 06:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I like this one. I think the blurb should indicate that the fires have been going on for some time. Note though that the particular story listed above isn't actually discussed in the main article. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 07:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh shoot. I really should have learned my lesson from last time. How about "Wildfires burn over 800,000 acres in California, surpassing the toll of the 2003 fire season."? - BanyanTree 12:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Not really all that notable. There are wildfires everywhere in Canada right now that deplace thousands. What is so more important about this one except for the article? --PlasmaTwa2 19:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I can't figure out your reasoning. Are you saying, (1) neither the wildfires in California or Canada are notable enough for ITN or (2) the wildfires are worthy of ITN inclusion, but it would be unethical to post one event if the other doesn't have an article? Or maybe there's another rationale I can't see. Regarding the second, I wrote a post somewhere on this page about how I find attempt to mitigate systemic bias by vetoing ITN candidates to be misguided. The first is a valid reason, though it doesn't need a comparison about which events have associated articles. In any case even with an oppose and no consensus, this is literally the only candidate up right now and its been almost 24 hours since the last update... - BanyanTree 12:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm saying it seems to me that the only reason this is being suggested is that it is happening in California. Compared to other wildfires in the world, this is pretty minor, it seems. This one only has the luxury of having a Wikipedia article. If there was an article named 2008 North American Wildfires I would support it. And we have a new candidate up for today, anyway. --PlasmaTwa2 20:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Personally I think this is just as notable as the volcano eruption that's already up. There's been evacuations, fatalities, and they've been recommending on certain days to avoid any unnecessary outdoor activity because of the poor air quality. Could you put me straight and point me in the direction of some more serious wildfires going on right now? Hammer Raccoon (talk) 00:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Not on Wikipedia. --PlasmaTwa2 06:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
This discussion seems to be going in circles but, with one positive and one negative comment by people who are not me: posted. - BanyanTree 22:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

July 10

ITN candidates for July 10

Any nominations for today? -- Natalya 21:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

None by the looks of things - all of the action is in the below section... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 09:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The Best of the Booker is a possibility, as the winner of the Man Booker Prize has been an annual item on ITN, but a few more citations would be nice. - BanyanTree 09:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've added some citations as asked - will that be sufficient for this to go up? Hammer Raccoon (talk) 08:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Honestly? Marginal for an event-specific article, but probably enough as long as it's not the lead blurb. Thank you for the edits. Posted. - BanyanTree 12:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
How about: Indian-British writer Salman Rushdie's novel Midnight's Children is recognized as the best novel to have won a Booker Prize in history. --Hapsala (talk) 10:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Midnight's Children seems to have a one sentence-one citation update, which is not sufficient and bolding an eight-word phrase seems counterintuitive from the reader's perspective. Also, I'm not convinced that Rushdie's ethnicity or nationality is particularly relevant to this blurb. - BanyanTree 12:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

July 9

ITN candidates for July 9

No nominations today either? weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to nominate Shahab-3 with the following rubric:

  • Nominating India's move for nuclear deal as it is of international importance for nuclear trade - News added & cited.

India submits it's nuclear safeguards agreement to IAEA to implement the Indo-US nuclear deal, also endorsed by other countries. --gppande «talk» 21:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how the whole process works, but I oppose if it's just India submitting it. --PlasmaTwa2 00:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
What do you mean by "formerly"? Oppose It's just a US-India agreement. The BBC article here has a lot more information. The section needs to be built up a bit and have a little more info after seeing this. SpencerT♦C 01:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok - I removed the word formerly as it looked out of context. Also, feel free to alter the newsline. I have added some more info - please check. Also this news qualifies international importance check. 1) IAEA (45 nation group) approves a proposal submitted by India to sign a nuke agreement with US. 2) Later NSG (group of 35 nations) would approve it 3) US Congress in Sept will approve it. But the most important step has just now happened. This is crucial in nuclear energy circle as it is first time that a non signatory of NPT & CTBT has been extended the nuke deal. --gppande «talk» 08:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks better now. SpencerT♦C 11:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, any admin interested in moving the news to Main Page? --gppande «talk» 15:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Just ask WBOSITG (above), or ask at WP:AN. SpencerT♦C 19:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. - BanyanTree 23:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
First, flags aren't appropriate in this kind of election setting. I'm going to try to expand Grenadian general election, 2008, so lets focus on that one. SpencerT♦C 11:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Wordings: In Grenada, Tillman Thomas succeeds Keith Mitchell as the new Prime Minister of Grenada following the National Democratic Congress's win in the general elections. SpencerT♦C 20:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. Used the image of losing candidate as the only free image applicable to the current crop of blurbs, but that isn't ideal. - BanyanTree 23:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Nom 2008 United States consulate in Istanbul attack. - BanyanTree 00:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Article looks okay...bonus: There's an image! :D. Sure. SpencerT♦C 20:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the image is key. Posted. - BanyanTree 02:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

July 8

ITN candidates for July 8

Nominate 34th G8 summit. SpencerT♦C 21:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops, it's up already, but we can put related comments below. SpencerT♦C 21:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Heehee, sorry. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 21:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • That picture is terrible and should be replaced with something else ASAP. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 22:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

July 7

ITN candidates for July 7

A suicide bomber rams a car bomb into the Indian embassy in the Afghan capital Kabul, killing 41 people. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 10:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
An obvious support, nice looking article. SpencerT♦C 21:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

July 6

ITN candidates for July 6

Posted. - BanyanTree 22:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The following two comments are copied from Talk:Main Page#Lal Masjid suicide bombing. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 00:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
The In the News coverage about the suicide bombing in Pakistan now has a separate article - Lal Masjid suicide bombing. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 23:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Copied from WP:ERRORS. - BanyanTree 00:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
The item on the Lal Masjid bombing doesn't link to the bombing article. I think it should read "An explosion near the Lal Masjid in the..." —Akrabbimtalk 23:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Lal Masjid suicide bombing was just created by copy-pasting a paragraph from Lal Masjid and is not yet of the quality (background info, section headers, etc) expected of ITN articles. It's possible the article will expand over the next few hours and the link can be switched them. - BanyanTree 00:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

July 5

ITN candidates for July 5

Anybody mind if the women's Wimbledon results go up now, before the men's come in? 2008 Wimbledon Championships, per Wikipedia:Sports on ITN - BanyanTree 23:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

As soon as the article is updated, go for it. If I cared in the least about tennis I would write-up any relevant sections myself to speed up the process... Random89 23:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Updated and posted. - BanyanTree 05:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

July 4

ITN candidates for July 4

This is a clash between a sovereign state and a partially-recognized state. International peacekeepers were around too. Seems ITN-worthy to me. Random89 23:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
And it has a nice update. Posted. Thanks, BanyanTree 00:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Why was this added? The update is short and mentions NOTHING about recent clashes only clashes on the 14th June Nil Einne (talk) 11:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, even I tried to find about the clash and found something which happened more than 1/2 month back. I posted a question on Main page discussion and got a rude reply from some IP. I don't think this should any longer on the main page as readers get disillusioned that some recent clashes (within recent 5 days time span) happened again after mid-june news. --gppande «talk» 20:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
The recent clashes (from the beginning of July) are mentioned in 3 sentences and 2 refs...that's not quite up to my standards for ITN. SpencerT♦C 23:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Four sentences and two refs, which I don't even consider marginal. Though I've supported at least one item with one cited sentence of updates, so some editors may think I'm off the deep end on this subject. - BanyanTree 23:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
However if you look at my message it was added 11:52 on 6th July. The update you refer to was added at 14:52 on 6th July. The item was added to 0:57 6th July. (All times UTC.) Even if the update is sufficient, it clearly wasn't when this was added IMHO. Nil Einne (talk) 12:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, if UEFA Euro 2008#Final was added without any prose, ref or something surely this would be easy... --Howard the Duck 16:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I must be having fever dreams because I distinctly remember checking for an update at the time of posting. But I'm convinced that I must not have. My bad. - BanyanTree 00:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

July 3

ITN candidates for July 3

Nominate the results of the elections, replace with current blurb. SpencerT♦C 13:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand what this refers to. - BanyanTree 06:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
It was the results of the Mongolian elections, which seem to have been removed due to issues of validity [5]. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 19:49, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah. Thanks for the explanation. - BanyanTree 23:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
  • NASA announces discovery of water in the atmosphere of Mercury by its MESSENGER probe. - or should the bold link pipe to the 'results' section of that article? Olaf Davis | Talk 09:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't sure whether I should put this here as the date of the news item, or on the 4th as today's date. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Time's up and this is the only likely candidate. Posted, in chronological order of the event. - BanyanTree 06:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Nom 2008 Chelopechene explosions. - BanyanTree 06:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Posted. - BanyanTree 23:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

July 2

ITN candidates for July 2

None of the three emboldened links above go to an updated article, a requirement for ITN inclusion. - BanyanTree 00:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominating Jerusalem attack with something along these lines: "A man drives a bulldozer into several vehicles in Jerusalem, killing three and leaving dozens other injured, before being shot dead by a police officer." -- tariqabjotu 12:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
However, as of right now, there's a lot of copyrighted material in the article. So I'm holding off for a bit. -- tariqabjotu 12:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
With respect, are attacks like this not two a penny in that region? I don't see what is so special about three deaths in the middle east that it needs to go on the main page. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 17:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Well the fact that it has an article somewhat, and I see less than a dozen articles in Category:Massacres_in_Israel_during_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict. Support. A bulldoze rampage is certainly rarer than stabbing sprees, and we've put up a couple of those. SpencerT♦C 19:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
But isn't that just all part of the systemic bias? There are loads of conflicts going on around the world right now and I don't think some nutter killing three people is worthy of main page attention. The only difference between this and all the other bad stuff that goes on around the world is that the media has picked up on this one. This also has basically no major political impact as far as we know, and is just a another minor incident in a very long war. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 20:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
And if there were articles and updates about those more significant events, we would include them. Taking moral stands that we won't include items about the weather in North America, the Palestinians and Israelis beating each other up, or plane crashes until Darfur/climate change/global food price crisis/hedge fund troubles/etc gets its due is a recipe for everyone twiddling their thumbs waiting for something that is unlikely to happen, precisely because of systemic bias. The way to address systemic bias is to help write more ITN worthy articles and updates on underrepresented topics, not be a gatekeeper at the very end of the process blocking other editors' work because one doesn't think it's important enough. That said, the Guizhou riots appear to have been basically ignored by most media (China riot fatigue?) so I think ITN deserves a pat on the back for getting it up without any undue fuss. In any case, I've posted below the lead item in the July 2nd subqueue because of significance concerns. - BanyanTree 00:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I take your point that the way to combat systemic bias is to increase coverage of unrepresented topics rather than to block well represented topics from appearing on ITN, but I'm still not sure this has the required notability. Case in point: Three killed in Philippine attack - BBC News. I'm not going to argue whether this has or hasn't got the required notability, but read the last paragraph: "Clashes in Mindanao at the weekend left at least 15 guerrillas and two policemen dead. Two soldiers were shot and killed by suspected rebels in Nabunturan on Monday." Stuff like this happens every day, all over the world. This particular attack in Jerusalem is plainly not remarkable. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 07:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
The novelty of this item is that the weapon of choice - a bulldozer. Nobody bulldozes his way to kill people anymore. --Howard the Duck 17:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Maybe he'd been playing too much Grand Theft Auto... Hammer Raccoon (talk) 17:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually it wasn't a bulldozer (re the article) Nil Einne (talk) 10:21, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Support. The release of a former presidential candidate from captivity is big news, and the article has been sufficiently updated. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 21:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Support as per HR. It is actually featuring in News bulletins, unlike the Voyager story. Kevin McE (talk) 22:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

July 1

ITN candidates for July 1

Nom Mongolian legislative election, 2008 violence. - BanyanTree 22:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Support Article has plenty of refs. SpencerT♦C 22:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Nom 2008 Guizhou riot. - BanyanTree 01:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Should go up, the article looks comprehensive. Narayanese (talk) 06:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Posted. - BanyanTree 07:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)