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May 31, 2006

  • The USA has agreed to talk with Iran about its Nuclear policy if it suspends all Nuclear actions. Ellisjm 19:15 UTC 31 May 06
    • No semblance of an updated or bolded link here. --Golbez 05:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • The Pirate Bay, the worlds largest BitTorrent tracker supported by the Swedish Pirate Party has been raided by Swedish police, under the accusation of copyright infringements. Three of the party members are under police custody. 200.139.139.177 17:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm tempted to put this up but I don't know. --Golbez 18:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Do it already. ;) Really, maybe I'm biased, but this is much more relevant to the entire world than some "students protest" --200.139.139.177 04:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I support putting this up on the news page. It is a very high-profile event. --Skenmy 19:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Actually this is a quite important news item, since Pirate Bay is (was?) one of the largest bittorrent sites on the net, and also because of the very significant impact it has made on the community through it's previously very successful legal campaign. The fact that it is run by a (self-claimed) non-profit organisation (Piratbyrån - Piracy Bureau) that also functions as a lobby organisation for legalization of private file sharing also gives this news weight. The raid also goes against current precedential Swedish law and was instigated by a private (also non-profit, but funded by the music and movie industry) lobby organisation AGAINST private filesharing (Anti-piratbyrån - Anti-piracy bureu).

Btw, these are facts, not opinions. =) -- sorry for anonymousity but I don't have time to figure out my password right now. You've got my IP though.

Not remotely worthy of inclusion among just 5 odd world headlines. This is a minor story to everyone bar the tech-savvy. It's inclusion here is merely indicitive of Wikipedia's systemic bias, and there being more tech-users here. zoney talk 12:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Wow, the one tech story we run in six months is indicative of our systemic bias. I suppose that means our bias towards soccer matches is unimaginable. I considered it better than any of the sports matches that have been nominated (and posted) recently. --Golbez 14:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Here in Sweden, where the event actually happened, it's head newsline in most newspapers..
Not true. I looked and looked in my paper (Sydsvenskan, also found at sydsvenskan.se). The last two days they have printed two medium-sized articles in the B (Culture) part of the paper. No mention on the frontpage or the A (domestic and world news) part at all. I think we should be sane and don't put this item in ITN. It's just not relevant to most of the world. Sverdrup❞ 13:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

May 29, 2006

May 28, 2006

  • This is more recent than 6 of the 7 items on ITN right now. -- 199.71.174.100 06:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Colombian presidential elections held today.--Rosa 08:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
It isn't that stubby after all... -- 199.71.174.100 03:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

May 27, 2006

Hello, anyone. This has been up for a while now. Big Sporting news in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
  • I like this, but the fairuse logo can't be used on the Main Page. -- 199.71.174.100 15:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Why hasn't this been added, yet? It is the provincial competition of three of the best teams in rugby union. The Heineken Cup was put up a week ago, why not the Southern Hemisphere equlivant???--HamedogTalk|@ 08:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
It's my personal opinion that these sporting events don't really belong; I didn't support the first one, so I feel no obligation to put this one up for balance. As always, one of the other 900 or so admins may disagree. And I don't understand what "New Zealand rugby union side" means. --Golbez 08:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm. It is not just a domestic competition (it is a competition that includes three nations; Australia, New Zealand and South Africa), so it is more notable than say just a domestic comp, for its wider audience. In saying that, the Heinken Cup spans England, Wales, Ireland, France, Scotland and Italy, and it is probably a much bigger 'event'. It is probably a safe bet that (as of now) the only rugby union events that will get put up would be the Rugby World Cup, Six Nations Championship, Tri Nations Series and the Heineken Cup (as in, the winner annoncement/final). But I do think this game should have been mentioned, mainly because of its bizarre weather, something we may never see again, at least not for a long time. I don't know, anyway, lets work on that final page Hame. Cvene64 13:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Rather stubby. Seems that Wikipedia doesn't have much material on this topic to feature. Suggest posting at Current events rather than ITN. --199.71.174.100 15:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

May 26, 2006

  • Lincoln Hall, a well-known Australian mountaineer, is left for dead while descending from the summit of Mount Everest, and found alive after spending a night exposed on the side of the mountain without oxygen supplies. --Fipe 06:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
  • A false alarm ? Interesting to read, but not really encyclopedic, and thus not a good candidate for ITN. Probably good for DYK, though. -- 199.71.174.100 15:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

May 25, 2006

  • Nur-Pashi Kulayev, the only surviving hostage-taker of the Belsan hostage crisis, is sentenced to life in prison Will (E@) T 18:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
  • At 3:35 PM MT, the Senate of The United States of America Voted in a 51-47 vote, to pass the bill S.2611 which adds changes to the ongoing immigration debate in the United States
    • No links, no bolded article, no updated article, a non-story (doesn't matter til the president signs), etc... please read the guidelines. --Golbez 22:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Scientists confirm the theory that the HIV virus originated among wild chimpanzees in Cameroon. (AP)
  • Former Enron executives Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling are found criminally guilty for their role in the demise of the now-defunct energy-trading firm. JD79 17:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC) (Why has nobody else put this up yet?)
  • Taylor Hicks wins the fifth season of American Idol --nobody 07:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Note: You posted that inane nonsense about the Eurovision song contest, it's only fair! --nobody
  • I might support this when the American Idol contest runs for a few more decades. The Eurovision Song Contest has so much more history, more international interests, it's hard to compare. -- 199.71.174.100 08:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree Eurovision has a longer history but you have to agree American Idol is at least if not more popular --nobody 08:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • You probably need to include google searches in many other European languages to "see the impact" of the Eurovision Song Contest in contemporary European culture. And, the country vs country flavour is not there in the Idol contest. American Idol seems like local news and lacks international relevance. -- 199.71.174.100 08:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • The Eurovision Song Contest is just as "local" as American Idol. Actually if you click on the Regions tab of Google Trends you will see American Idol has some global reach especially in Asia. Honestly neither the Eurovision Song Contest nor American Idol should be posted on ITN. International news should be defined as "International" and not as "Non-Americancentric" --nobody 09:06, 25 May UTC
    • IMO, usually, a winner of a competition does not involve a major article update. So Taylor won - swap a few bits and the article is updated. This is very much a case where anyone who cares already knows, therefore it's not exactly news. (for the record, I opposed putting EuroVision up too; we're having way too many "X won Y non-political competition" updates lately, probably because they're cheap, a quick article update and voila. It's also not like it was a shocker or anything. :P though it WAS neat to see that Lordi won, heh.) --Golbez 14:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

May 24, 2006

    • No updated article. --Golbez 02:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

It is now. Its even better too since the U.S. Senate just passed the bill today and Fox finally made a comment about immigration in Salt Lake City. 144.35.254.12 22:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

And I think it would be nice to have it on the front page since our current illegal immigration in the United States article could use some editing. By having it on the front it would draw attention to other editors. I have already added a sizable paragraph today. 144.35.254.12 23:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

  • President Fox's visit to Salt Lake City isn't really all that significant in the whole encyclopedia topic of Illegal immigration to the United States, though it's certainly an interesting item for a newspaper to cover. On this topic I would consider waiting for a somewhat more substantive development, like when a law is actually passed, which shouldn't be too far off.--Pharos 23:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

May 21, 2006

  • In the 2006 Men's World Ice Hockey Championships, Sweden wins the final against the Czech Republic and thus become the first hockey team to win at both the Winter Olympics and the World Championships in the same year. // Please, if this goes up on the MP, check my grammar. Thnx. S4ndp4pper 20:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I suggest you change the rugby entry with this one. --Tone 18:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Godd idea; done.--Pharos 20:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
        • I don't know if it can be changed, but there is no way this deserves to be on the main page. Said World Championships do not involve any of the best players, as they're all in the National Hockey League. I love sports, especially hockey, but I could probably think of at least 20 current sports events that are of more international interest than this (anything about the World Cup, any of the recent meaningful hockey games, Barbaro, Rosicky's reported move, Bonds passing Ruth, even the Northwestern hazing scandal, pretty much anything). Please do some research before putting these things on the main page. zellin t / c 04:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
          • I disagree. While many of the world's best hockey players are indeed in the NHL playoffs, this annual IIHF event is apparently a much bigger thing in Europe than in North America. This is a valid ITN item with more than enough international interest. Barbaro is a possible ITN candidate (esp. considering how the ankle was broken), but Tomáš Rosický's move is not big enough a news item. Northwestern hazing ? (What ?) seems like local news and not even on Current sports events. Bonds ? I'd suggest waiting till he passes Hank Aaron. MLB did nothing official, neither should ITN. --PFHLai 07:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Thoroughbred racehorse Barbaro suffers a career-ending injury in the Preakness Stakes at Pimlico Race Course in his quest to become the 13th winner of the Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing. JRHorse 00:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
    • IMO we are getting way too many sports stories, and this, on the whole, isn't all that notable. For over 20 years, this has been the result of every Triple Crown race - a failure. (Though not as spectacular and devastating as Barbaro's). If he had won the Triple Crown, then that would go up in a heartbeat. --Golbez 21:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Montenegrin independence referendum, 2006 is taking place. (it's tomorrow but I am putting it here just in case.) --Tone 09:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
    • When it starts, I think it should go up. (yes, I've learned my lesson from the previous independence movement, or was it free association, or .. I don't remember. Niue?) This would result in a country ceasing to exist, so a LOT of maps will need to be redrawn. :) --Golbez 16:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
    • BBC News - they have decided to become independent. This is most certainly newsworthy!! --hobmcd 23.38, 21 May 22.38 (UTC)

May 20, 2006

  • China finishes building the Three Gorges Dam. (More info here: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-05/13/content_4540727.htm ) --Shultz IV 00:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Barry Bonds ties Babe Ruth's 714-home run record amid rumours of steroid use.Abel 03:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Being tied for second place does not really make one ITN-worthy. --Golbez 23:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Uh.. First off it's on the front page of the NYTimes. Secondly the Home Run Record in Baseball is the most famous record in all of US Sports. With Babe Ruth being the most legendary baseball player in history. It is an accomplished feat. Maybe in retrospect it's not as important as who won the Eurovision song contest... I look foward to seeing who won American Idol on ITN -- nobody 09:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
        • That's nice? When we're the New York Times, then maybe we will care what they have on their front page. And perhaps you did not notice that he didn't break any record? He's tied for second place. Not tied for first place, not breaking first place. Calm down. --Golbez 00:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

May 19, 2006

The Three Gorges Dam is officially opened. (I'm not sure whether it's quite happened yet or not, but it's a pretty major event, considering it cost 20-50 billion dollars US and took 13 years to build) Stevage 09:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thgough the principal part of the dam should be finished about today according to a press release from a couple of weeks ago, I don't see any signs of an "official opening" (there's almost nothing about it on google news). It seems that may come in 2009, if the 2003 event wasn't itself considered the official opening. Also, the article has an unfortunate Original Research tag.--Pharos 10:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Look here: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-05/13/content_4540727.htm --Shultz IV 00:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Should wait until after the final. I don't think semis will get a mention. Cvene64 13:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Iranian expatriates reveal that ‘National Uniform Law’ authorized by Iranian parliament includes clause obligating Iranian Jews to wear yellow ribbon; Christians, other minority members to wear colored ribbons as well. (Ynet)
See also: National Post Joffeloff 17:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
    • No updated article. --Golbez 18:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

May 18, 2006

It might be a good idea to change the photo of Prodi with one of human genome, as it is the top news at the moment. --Tone 21:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

  • This is an update of a recommended May 16 event. joturner 03:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • The suggested article is an undeveloped fork from the article that is currently bold linked on the main page.--Peta 03:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, I didn't realize that it was already posted (I guess I was expecting it to be higher). Nevertheless, I moved the information from the other article to 2006 São Paulo violence because it allows for the information to be more centered on the event. Leaving the event on the Primeiro Comando da Capital article didn't really leave room to discuss the role of the police in the situation and the criticism they have been receiving as the entire article is devoted to the gang. joturner 03:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

May 17, 2006

May 16, 2006

  • Dutch Member of Parliament Ayaan Hirsi Ali has announced she will immediately leave parliament, after Minister of Immigration and Integration Rita Verdonk has announced that Hirsi Ali has never obtained Dutch citizenship. (Internationally known figure, (in the top 100 most important people of Times) steps down after it was announced that she has never obtained citizenship, has announced she will move to the United States. Very controversial in the Netherlands.) -- C mon 17:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I support this nomination. (Comment1: Looks like the miners may be stuck at the bottom of ITN for 14 days, again .....) (Comment2: Perhaps the national flag may be better. It's more recognizable.) -- 12:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • The United States restores diplomatic reations with Libya. Vaguely interesting.--Peta 10:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Happened ~30 mins ago: earthquake @ 7.1 on richter scale [2] porges(talk) 11:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
    • It was in the ocean as far as I can tell.--Peta 11:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Updated to 7.6, yes in the middle of ocean, I noted it here in case it had any other effects-tsunamis or the like. It seems now it had no side effects. porges(talk) 20:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Tape of Pentagon plane crash released 204.107.82.69 21:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)(talk)

    • No info here. Not ITN. --Patricknoddy 8:07 AM May 31, 2006 (EDT)

15 May, 2006

May 14, 2006

  • So, who won ? Can we wait till we have a winner ? -- 199.71.174.100 09:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, you can have one in two weeks. --HamedogTalk|@ 11:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
  • This stub needs to be markedly expanded, IMO, before it gets on the Main Page. -- 199.71.174.100 09:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

May 13, 2006

  • Hand-written notes by U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney released in Fitzgerald investigation implies Cheney's involvement in Valerie Plame case. Link: [4]
  • Police cane students and people protesting against proposed hike in reservations for other backward castes in educational institutes in India. Link:[5]

May 12, 2006

  • I support this nomination. Wikified it. -- 199.71.174.100 09:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
  • OK, posted.--Pharos 18:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

May 11, 2006

IMO, better to wait till the final results are released and added to the wikiarticles. -- PFHLai 19:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Assisted suicide bill stopped by House of Lords in UK mainly over concerns it would pressurise vulnerable people into asking for and receiving deadly drugs and because some patients classed as terminally ill recover and decide that they would not have liked to have had their wish for death granted when they made it. --Max Randor 18:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
    • No bolded article, so I don't know what's been updated; I don't see this as a major story, legislatures vote down bills all the time. --Golbez 20:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
      • sorry I just thought it was important but had not done anything to any article. sorry.--Max Randor 10:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

May 10, 2006

  • According to the edit summaries, the European Constitution story was added as a stopgap intended to be replaced bythe Italian president story as soon as it broke. I'm glad about that, because I was just about to challenge the inclusion of the EU story :) It seems that ratification by another State is pretty meaningless really, because the Constitution seems to be dead in the water. (The UK are holding off ratifying it, since some referendums have failed... I accept, however, that is interesting in itself but it's more of a "featured article" issue than news). I say we add the Italian story and ditch the Estonian one. --kingboyk 11:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Do we have another photo of him? That one appears to not only be non-free but it's nominated for deletion. --kingboyk 11:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
  • There's a photo here but I can't find information on the copyright status. Alternatively, http://www.dsonline.it seems to use the EP photo, and here there is another one. It should be promotional material, is it usable? GhePeU 12:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

May 9, 2006

  • Thanks for finally using the pic I suggested days ago. :-) I don't remember I'd suggested it. -- 199.71.174.100 11:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it's very newsworthy that MPs are directed to vote on party lines - in fact it's a surprise they don't have a strong party whip in the first place. I'm reverting pending more discussion. (Also, the way it was added to the front page was incorrect - the reference to the Tasmania map remained, but the map was removed). --kingboyk 20:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I forgot to remove "(location shown on map)" in my first edit, though I did correct it shortly afterward. I think this item is notable for the context of the wider Shahrir Abdul Samad controversy, which has not previously been on ITN, and for which we have a pretty comprehensive article on thanks to Johnleemk.--Pharos 20:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, sorry about that (the map issue) - you were fixing it as I was typing here :) I don't think this story is of any international significance nor it is particularly interesting or unusual, I feel. That said, I'm just one guy... --kingboyk 20:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, it does seem to be the only viable item newer than the Tasmanian mine collapse, which was added about 24 hours ago.--Pharos 21:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, you're right. I should have probably written a better (and more interesting) item, since it would reflect the magnitude of the dispute. (It's not a small thing when you consider this is a blanket ban; a resolution stating "This house believes that there is a God" would be shot down even though every MP believes in God and there is no separation of mosque and state, because MPs can't vote in favour of anything the opposition proposes. A better wording would probably be: "Prime Minister of Malaysia Abdullah Ahmad Badawi clarifies that the Whip is always in force for Barisan Nasional Members of Parliament after the controversy surrounding Shahrir Abdul Samad's decision to support an opposition motion." Then again, that sounds boring too (and the Whip article is also a DYK candidate currently). Sigh...still, what item from Asia are we going to have after the PAP election victory is taken down? Johnleemk | Talk 05:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The news will come to you. I don't think it's right to be putting "something Asian" on the front cover for the sake of it. :) That said, probably we do now need something new asap, and a picture to replace the Aussie map, since the Aussie flag is now on the front page... --kingboyk 08:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Though Zuma has been out of office for a while, he still seeems to be a pretty major political figure in the country. Note: He was actually acquitted on May 8, but people tend not to scroll down so I've posted this here.--Pharos 21:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

May 8, 2006

  • Apple Corps v. Apple Computer. Judgement was delivered in this case today[7] with a rather unexpected victory for Apple Computer. Notable litigation of Apple Computer has been tagged and updated. I think this news should go onto the front page. --kingboyk 10:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC) (I am an admin but since I've not used this page before I will wait for feedback from other editors).
  • Nobody objected, it's massive on Google News, and I'm not waiting around until it's old news, so I've gone ahead and added it :). Please trim/copyedit if need be. --kingboyk 17:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Costa Rica's Inauguration Day. Peace Nobel Prize Oscar Arias is sworn as Costa Rica's president for second time. [8] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.196.69.130 (talkcontribs) .
  • Let's wait till the two poor fellas get rescued. -- PFHLai 02:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you let's wait. This story got a lot of international interest I saw it on CNN and lots of other stations. FellowWikipedian 14:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't like the phrasing of the one suggested above. Perhaps...
... is more concise. joturner 23:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
It's okay if you changed this. Thanks for posting. FellowWikipedian 24:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I put up the Tasmanian flag as suggested, I wonder if perhaps a map would be more appropriate as Tasmania isn't a national entity. What's the thought on this?--Pharos 00:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I like the map. We've had too many flags on the Main Page recently. joturner 00:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
There's are couple on Commons. FellowWikipedian 00:36 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I like the map too. It's GFDL, so I've replaced it. --kingboyk 17:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I like it a lot better. There are to many flags on the Main Page recently. FellowWikipedian 19:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

May 7 2006

  • IMO, this stepson-of-his-own would not garner much international interest. -- PFHLai 02:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Posted.--Pharos 06:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Lillian Gertrud Asplund, the oldest living American survivor of the Titanic survivor, dies at 99 years of age.-Bio2590 03:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • There are 2 more living Titanic survivors, though neither are American. -- PFHLai 04:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, but she was the oldest living that could actually remember the event. She was 5 years old, and the other two were 10 months and 2 months.-Bio2590 12:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh, and she was the oldest living on, in case you hadn't seen-Bio2590 12:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

May 5, 2006

I add my vote for this event to appear on the main page. --Tone 15:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Let's wait till we have a winner. -- 199.71.174.100 10:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Former President Suharto of Indonesia, dictator for three decades and reputedly the world's most corrupt head of state, is currently was hospitalized over "intestinal bleeding", but is moreover suffering "partial organ failure" and listed in unstable condition. --Daniel 17:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
    • If his qualification under 'deaths' isn't absolute (his passing would have no effect on currentp olitics), I don't see why a possibly fatal illness qualifies him any more. --Golbez 22:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

May 4, 2006

  • This sounds like a good one. joturner 03:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • OK, posted.--Pharos 06:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Good idea; as the article has developed significantly, I've just formally suggested this for DYK.--Pharos 06:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Shahrir Abdul Samad resigns as chairman of the Barisan Nasional Backbenchers Club in the Parliament of Malaysia, after a motion to refer a Member of Parliament implicated in a corruption scandal to the Dewan Rakyat House Rights and Privileges Committee failed. (Both the corruption scandal and Shahrir's resignation were frontpaged in nearly all major national dailies.) Johnleemk | Talk 03:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • What's the Backbenchers Club? joturner 03:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • The official club for backbenchers; practically every non-cabinet MP from the government is in the club. Johnleemk | Talk 10:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)