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30 November

  • I'm not sure there's really an updated article for this, but shouldn't ITN pay attention to the highly controversial state visit of Pope Benedict XVI to Turkey? Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 23:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Greg Page leaves the children's band The Wiggles after 15 years of performances, due to chronic illness. JRHorse 22:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think this makes the cut... Look at what it would replace: the Nepalese treaty ending a decade long civil war. NN, IMO. Mikker (...) 22:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • At least 300 people were killed in clashes between Sudan's army and former rebels in the southern town of Malakal earlier this week.
high-casualty event and big military confrontation --TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This is nb enough for ITN but the article still needs some more work... Mikker (...) 20:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Article is stub-size, putting it ITN would contribute to its enlargement --TheFEARgod (Ч) 20:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

As long as an article covers all the bases and is solid, I don't think the length really matters. —Centrxtalk • 00:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the article is good enough for ITN, so I endorse putting this up. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 00:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

29 November

Done. —Centrxtalk • 22:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

28 November

  • Rather big news, noone else has done, not Bradman or Sobers or Richards etcetera.--HamedogTalk|@ 23:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Give him another couple of days to break Richards' record for runs in a calendar year, IMO. Sam Vimes | Address me 23:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Note that these days, the schedule is packed, so that teams play 10-15 Tests per year. Bradman made 29 centuries in 52 Tests and played those 52 Tests over about 15 years. Thus, were Bradman to play 12 Tests per year like those of the current era, he would make 7.2 centuries per year on average. Furthermore, I don't think that Yousuf has reached the pinnacle yet, as he is not the current #1 ranked Test batsman - Ricky Ponting is the current #1 ranked batsman and is also the International Cricket Council player of the year. And as similarly for the above, if Bradman played 12-15 Tests a year, at his peak, he could score at 2000-2500 runs per year.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

27 November

  • I suggest replacing the word 'plurality' by 'majority' in the headline article about the recent Dutch elections to give a more accurate representation of the facts.
    • The problem is that they haven't got a majority, with 41 of 150 available seats. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 12:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Having had a second look at the meaning and common interpretation of both words you are of course correct. Mea Culpa.
  • Australia wins the first test of the Ashes Series by 277 runs. Aussieprince 07:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Not notable enough, just a game of cricket between two countries - It's not as though Australia have won the World Cup. It is notable in two countries, and to a lesser extent in 8 others, but is a completely irrelevant non-event for the rest of the world. That's coming from someone who writes crikcet articles. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
    • We really need better guidlines for sport, seriously. When Aus/Eng actually win the series, that should go up methinks. But winning one random test match is hardly nb. Mikker (...) 20:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

26 November

  • An announcement is made that the wreckage of a missing japanese submarine, lost following theAttack on Sydney Harbour in 1942, has been located off the northern beaches of Sydney. The location of the japanese naval submarine has been an Australian mystery for the past 60 years. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.30.106.187 (talkcontribs) 13:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC).
It doesn't seem that notable in the international respect. I haven't really seen any news coverage on this story. Nishkid64 22:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

25 November

I think this should definitely be added to ITN. I'll go ahead and add it, and I'll see what happens afterwards. Nishkid64 22:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, Admin:Nishkid64. --User:199.71.174.100 22:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
And now Centrx took it off the main page. <__< Nishkid64 22:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Right. Centrx removed my paragraph from the Pinochet article, and also removed the line from ITN with an edit summary indicating there were no major updates in the article. Right. I saw that. I have just restored my paragraph in the Pinochet article. --199.71.174.100 23:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

23 November

  • A French judge has accused Rwandan President Paul Kagame of orchestrating a 1994 attack that unleashed that country's genocide, saying the ex-rebel leader personally ordered his fighters to down the plane carrying a former leader -- an act that sparked the Rwandan genocide. Essentially this accuses Kagame of setting the stage for the slaughter of his own ethnic group, the Tutsis. These allegations are not new but the indictment by an official judiciary is, the article has been updated and contains links.--gozar 04:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I've added the death of Alexander Litvinenko to ITN. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 23:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The first test of the 2006-07 Ashes series, the oldest series in Test cricket, begins at the Brisbane Cricket Ground.
    • This is the most anticipated Ashes series in years.--HamedogTalk|@ 23:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Have we ever had the start of a sports event up? Except for the World Cup? Sam Vimes | Address me 00:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
        • You could argue that this is Test crickets world cup.--HamedogTalk|@ 00:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
          • You could, and you'd be right. But you could argue the World Figure Skating Championship as figure skating's World Cup, and I think you'd get harsh criticism. The World Cup of soccer is the world's most popular sporting event, bar none. Other than that, no exceptions should ever be made for the start of sporting or entertainment events. -- Zanimum 18:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
            • The Olympic Games? Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 22:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
              • The Olympics Opening ceremony has its own page. Not these Ashes. --64.229.205.116 15:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)~
        • I'd support the results of the series going up (i.e. when Australia/England wins the series; that should go up), but its start is hardly notable enough. Mikker (...) 13:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Don Brash resigns as leader of the opposition New Zealand National Party, saying ongoing speculation about his leadership is damaging to the party.
    • Not sure if this is considered sufficiently important. The resignation happened one hour ago, and most references in Wikipedia have now been updated.-gadfium 01:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I believe this is important. How many times has the national party had a new leader over the years - jim, jenny, bill and now don. Its going to be 5 leaders in 10 years.--HamedogTalk|@ 01:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
        • I also believe it is important. National, once the most stable party with the deepest roots in New Zealand politics, is practically collapsing. Well that's just my take on it (not happy :( ) but objectively I believe this is notable enough. -- PageantUpdatertalk | contribs | esperanza 01:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think we can use that image on the main page. It isn't free.-gadfium 02:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Okay, but we need an admin to update.--HamedogTalk|@ 02:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
        • I don't think the resignation of an opposiion leader is of all that much international importance. Now if the PM had resigned, it would be another thing entirely. 70.53.17.136 02:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Do you mean "opposition leader"? Just wondering. This is rather large news.--HamedogTalk|@ 02:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
        • This is most certainly not nb enough for ITN. Mikker (...) 13:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

22 November

21 November

  • For tomorrow: "Voters in the Netherlands (flag pictured) go to the polls in a general election, which is expected to see a neck-and-neck race between the ruling christian-democrats and the opposition social-democrats." The results are expected just after midnight CET, btw. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 22:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    • While i support this going up I think it's better to say that the PvdA (the opposition party you mentioned) is a labour party rather than the social democratic party. I'd suggest this to avoid confusion because the Dutch Socialist Party has a similar ideology and also figures to do very well in the election. Thethinredline 23:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Or just the names of the parties, instead of their political inclination: "Voters in the Netherlands go to the polls in a general election, which is expected to see a neck-and-neck race between the ruling Christian Democratic Appeal and the opposition Labour Party." Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 23:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
        • That seems even better. Thethinredline 23:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
          • This should not be up until there are results. 70.53.17.136 01:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Actor and comedian Michael Richards aka "Cosmo Kramer" apologized on the "The Late Show" today after his explosive expletive filled racial rant at a Los Angeles area comedy club where he repeatedly used the N-word and referred to lynching some African American audience members.(Newsday) His apology on National TV and over 500 newspaper articles on the incident would seem to make it notable for a headline.
    • Not remotely important enough. --Golbez 10:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Australian swimmmer Ian Thorpe, winner of 11 World Championships titles, the most by any athlete, announces his retirement, aged 24.
    • Sounds reasonable.--HamedogTalk|@ 02:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Added. -- tariqabjotu 02:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • British police investigate the apparent thallium poisoning of Russian FSB defector Alexander Litvinenko.--Pharos 03:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

20 November

19 November

18 November

  • Malagasy General Fidy is attempting to size control of the country, claiming president Marc Ravalomanana’s rule to be illegitimate. BBC article here - Schrandit 20:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • This: 2006 G20 summit is getting violent, more info on the way as its sketchy at best atm, the TV footage is cool need some pics to put up... dunno if its internationally newsworthy though...
The article is very stubby at the moment. It needs to be expanded and updated, but if that happens, I support putting this up: "Protesters clash with the police in advance of the 2006 summit of the G20 in Melbourne, Australia." I'm not too happy with the wording though. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 17:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I concur; this is certainly worthy of putting up, although more information should be added to the article. The section about the violence is especially in need of help. -- tariqabjotu 17:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Its bigger now, and has some pics. lets get some new stuff up, half the thingys on the news thingy are old!Viva43 05:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
We really need the article to be updated again to say that it's ended (as I believe it has..). Martinp23 16:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • What about the APEC summit in Ha Noi, Viet Nam? - Privacy 19:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

16 November

  • Economist Milton Friedman died aged 94. 59.37.22.33 18:40, 16 November 2006
    • Aww. Unfortunately, doesn't match death criteria. But thanks for letting me know. :( --Golbez 22:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Doesn't match death criteria? By developing the policy of monetary economics, Milton Friedman was one of the most revolutionary men in several past decades. I can think of precious few people still alive who were more influential to economics and politics than Friedman.
        • Quoting from the criteria: "A death should only be placed on ITN if it meets one of the following criteria: (a) the deceased was in a high ranking office of power at the time of death, (b) the deceased was a key figure in their field of expertise, and died unexpectedly or tragically, (c) the death has a major international impact that affects current events. The modification or creation of multiple articles to take into account the ramifications of a death is a sign that it meets the third criterion." He was not in office; he did not die unexpectedly or tragically (he was 94 after all; to be honest, I had no clue he was alive, and I follow his and his sons works); and his death has no impact on current events. Sorry. --Golbez 23:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Seconded. Long-retired man, dies at 94. Cut-and-dried miss on the criteria. The Tom 23:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Um, "key figure"? Doesn't that work? -- Zanimum 01:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
            • Read the whole sentence. Key figure, AND they died unexpectedly. If you're a key figure and you die of old age at 94, that's not ITN news. If you're a key figure and someone shoots you for promoting laissez-faire, that's news. --Golbez 02:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

15 November

  • An 8.1 earthquake in the Kuril Islands hits northern Japan with tsunami. - Privacy 21:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Seeing as how that's a redlink, no. --Golbez 22:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Should be put up on Main Page. Patricknoddy 4:40pm November 17, 2006 (EST)

14 November

BBC article here, page updated accordingly. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 19:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

    • This is pretty notable because, according to the local news (i.e. in SA), it's the first African nation to legalize same sex marriage. One thing... I think it should be "The Parliament of South Africa votes to legalize same-sex marriage" because, obviously, SA's parliament only has authority over SA, no need to include "in South Africa" again. Mikker (...) 20:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Posted. -- Zanimum 20:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

12 November

  • South Ossetia holds its second referendum on independence. BBC NEWS - Privacy 21:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I support putting this up when the results are in. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 23:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
      • The results of the referendum are in. Could someone who knows a bit more about the outcome please update the article, so that it may be added? Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 19:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
      • The {{update}} tag is still there. We'll have to wait. And, if we are really using this on MainPage, the fact that the legitimacy of this election is disputed should be mentioned. -- PFHLai 18:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
      • "South Ossetia holds its second referendum on independence. It is an unrecognized republic, a breakaway region of Georgia." Waiting for results update. -- Zanimum 20:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
        • I am STRONGLY opposed to this appearing until there are results, no matter the updates. 65.93.24.65 03:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Yes, update the article with the ballot results. Without the results, the update would be incomplete. --64.229.231.116 15:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
            • A week has passed, and the article still hasn't been updated. This is too long ago for ITN. Time to move on. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 17:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
              • Not necessarily; if it's taken this long to count the ballots, then we can post it on ITN when the announcement is made. The referendum would not be the news, the results would be. --Golbez 18:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

November 11

Top Al Qaeda leaders in Iraq vow to blow up the White House as a part of their jihad against America. Mientkiewicz5508 22:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Article update is paltry, and a baseless threat from a terrorist group isn't much. --Golbez 23:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
  • If they could've they already would've. I agree with Golbez - a baseless threat is not ITN worthy. Mikker (...) 18:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

November 10

  • Good bio update, I'll use it. -- Zanimum 15:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

November 9

November 8

  • Please correct the In the News section as follows, to remove the claim that the Democrats and Republicans are tied in the Senate race. My suggestion is as follows:
In the United States midterm elections, the Democratic Party wins control of the House from the Republican Party. Control of the Senate depends on the outcome of the undecided Virginia Senate race.--DaveOinSF 20:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
This was re-written many times, and then got trimmed due to lack of space on MainPage. Please see related discussions at Template talk:In the news. --PFHLai 01:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Posted. -- PFHLai 01:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • At least 19 Palestinians are massacred and 40 wounded by Israeli tank fire in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanoun. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Not sure. The article is just above stub level and needs expanding, the title of the article needs to be edited (without the month and with another word for massacre, so "2006 Beit Hanoun .....") and the wording needs to be npov'ed. While Operation Autumn Clouds imo was notable enough for ITN, I'm not sure this is. Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 13:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

November 7

  • The page is not updated yet, however this is extremely newsworthy. They've already declared him the victor in the election, and while I don't have time to update the page, I'm sure someone else does.

Keith Ellison became the first Muslim ever elected to United States Congress. Mientkiewicz5508 03:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This is quite significant, but the whole election, the bigger news story, should be presented on ITN. Also, a page tagged with {{TotallyDisputed}} would not be a good item to feature on MainPage. --PFHLai 01:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Maybe this can help the urgent cry for updates: "Vietnam is invited to become the 150th member of the World Trade Organization" (see [4]). It needs expanding and rewording, but is this an option for the Main Page? Or perhaps Britney Spears filing for divorce from Kevin Federline? Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 23:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll pass as there are bigger news stories on the same day. (Sorry, Britney.) --PFHLai 01:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I updated this yesterday. It just got bumped off ITN by the WHO-DG election. -- PFHLai 01:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

November 5

  • Bülent Ecevit, former Prime Minister of Turkey, has died on Turkey. --Ugur Basak 22:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Ecevit doesn't seem to meet any of the criteria for inclusion of deaths. He was not "in a high ranking office of power at the time of death", he was not "a key figure in their field of expertise, [who] died unexpectedly or tragically" and his death at the moment does not seem to have "a major international impact that affects current events." Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 22:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The 2006 New York City Marathon is won by Marílson Gomes dos Santos of Brazil; the first South American ever to win the race. J. Van Meter 19:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
While the NYC Marathon is a notable event in the sports world, I'll pass on this suggestion, primarily because Wikipedia currently does not have much material about this event to feature on MainPage. The entire section on the 2006 race in the New York City Marathon article has only 2 sentences, and the winner Marílson Gomes dos Santos doesn't not even have a wikibio yet. And, please be reminded to post a headline on Portal:Current events/Sports, as per ITN guidelines. Thanks for the suggestion, anyway. BTW, please consider starting the wikibio for Mr. Gomes dos Santos and nominating it for DYK. Good Luck. -- PFHLai 21:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Marílson Gomes dos Santos does have an entry in the Portugese Wikipedia [5]. Hopefully someone will translate it for the English version. (PS - Yeah, I knew the article was weak: I was just hoping for some news that wasn't all death and destruction.) J. Van Meter 21:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I wish there were more pleasant news to feature on ITN. :-( Oh, well .... But no worries. The cricket fans may be here any time. Australia has just won the 2006 ICC Champions Trophy. -- PFHLai 21:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually...I'd argue this isn't notable enough. Yes, it's an international tournament with all top nations involved, but it's not of great stature (compared to the World Cup), but it's not the main headline on the International BBC at the moment (despite it being just hours after the event) and it's not particularly unexpected. Even the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have other news stories (SMH has Adam Scott's golf victory, The Age has the International Rules Test).
  • The Ashes last year was special (breaking an 18-year spell, result uncertain till the last day, plenty of excitement throughout, etc.). This is not. Sam Vimes | Address me 22:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Hmm...I would think an multi-national cricket tournament would be noteworthy, but it seems Sam has some good points. Nishkid64 22:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad that I posted this here first. I would've thought the top-level cricket between World Cups is notable enough for ITN. But I have to say I don't know my cricket. .... Some ITN items are almost a week old and getting stale. I might stick this in tomorrow just for the sake of having something new. I hope I won't need this. I hope we'll have something else ready for ITN soon, e.g. results of Nicaraguan general election, 2006. --PFHLai 03:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I think this should most certainly go up - the ICC champs trophy is the second most important 1 day tournament. Would've thought it was an open and shut case really. Mikker (...) 19:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

November 4

Definitely put up - a huge international story. Batmanand | Talk 09:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes!! My first ever approved main page story suggestion. On a related note, it may be better to link to the Trial of Saddam Hussein rather than the man himself. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Huh? I don't see it on the main page yet. Either way, this should indeed be on there. —msikma <user_talk:msikma> 10:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I've modified it to link to the trial. Hope you're okay with that (since you did suggest it) Nil Einne 10:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm ok with it. It seemed better to link to the event since that was the main article of this particular news story. TomStar81 (Talk) 20:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Posted. I've also posted this on Current events. Next time, please post over there beforehand. That's where the external newslinks go. Thanks. --PFHLai 20:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd pass on this one. No match results are affected (yet). And this seems like a silly dispute to me, a tempest in a teacup. --PFHLai 21:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll pass too per PFHLai - besides, we'll get some cricket news up on Sunday when either the Aussies or the Windies win the ICC champs throphy. Mikker (...) 23:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

November 1

Considering Botha's prominence in current events in the 80s, I thought about bending the rules and sticking this in. Turns out this was on ITN for a while and was removed by another admin. I do not completely agree with the removal, but I won't be re-adding this after almost a week. --PFHLai 21:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Typhoon Cimaron (pictured right), the strongest storm to hit the Philippines in eight years, kills at least 15 people as it moves across Luzon. --64.229.230.189 15:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
    The "strongest storm" bit is not backed up by the article, the storm has been past Luzon for over a day and there is not an updated item at Current events. Thanks, BanyanTree 17:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Found the item and the reference to "strongest storm..." on Current events in the Oct.30th section. I've added an updated item on the Nov.1st section. Posted at the bottom of ITN to mention briefly only things also found in the 2006 Pacific typhoon season#Typhoon Cimaron (Paeng) article. -- PFHLai 20:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)