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July 31

ITN candidates for July 31

Gary McKinnon

Does anyone think that his case is notable enough? It involves the "biggest military computer hack of all time." But in any case, we should wait until he gets convicted in the U.S. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Wait for any conviction and then determine it by how much coverage it would get (lots I imagine). --candlewicke 17:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Death of Corazon Aquino
That was a quick post!  Cargoking  talk  22:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Another one? --candlewicke 22:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, I agree she also meets the criteria... wow, two in one day... --candlewicke 22:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Note to posters: Please credit nominators and put a template on the articles' talk page.  Cargoking  talk  22:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Are they not doing this correctly? Anyway we should wait for more supports I think. --candlewicke 22:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh... I see it has been posted already. :( --candlewicke 22:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
With a one line update... --candlewicke 22:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Hang on - Can we have some consistency please. Sir Bobby Robson who is more notable IMO has been updated by a line or two and its not on ITN where as Corazon Aquino is with a only a couple of lines of an update. Jason Rees (talk) 23:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
"Sir Bobby Robson who is more notable" LOL WTF. –Howard the Duck 01:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I know. Please inform the administrator who posted as they seem to be ignoring this page and I'm doing all the cleaning up after them when I should be archiving July's ITNs... --candlewicke 23:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I should reset the clock as technically this shouldn't even be posted yet. --candlewicke 23:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. I do not deam (deem?) this death of international signifance. Maybe if she was in office at the time of her death then it would be notable, but otherwise, no. Just no. Jolly Ω Janner 23:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. I think Aquino stands out among the ex-heads of state who must die most days of the week. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
  • OMG this is ridiculous... we just put Aquino in hypothetical situation just last week... did our regulars not notice that? i find this fairly freaky. and btw i opposed all deaths in hypothetical... i must say i change my vote for this. Ashish-g55 04:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh wow... now I know it's time I went to bed... but what if I wake up and one of the others is dead as well... --candlewicke 04:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
For the first time on ITN i actually feel bad about what happened. Can i please request that the hypothetical situations page be deleted. thanks (we did the little survey now there is no need of it either) Ashish-g55 04:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
What are you implying? That our hypothetical death noms somehow magically caused her death? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Nope. im not sayin it had anything do with anything. i just dont like the fact that we discussed the death of a living person that dies the next week. whatever the cause maybe. its just feels wrong now... Ashish-g55 05:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps we might have unknowingly created a wiki-version of Death Note. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I added this hypothetical situation during the time that there was no turning back on her illness. –Howard the Duck 09:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Were any of the people killed in Death Note famous or notable though... I wonder does it work for the non-deaths and if Dick Cheney is going to be arrested now... --candlewicke 17:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
The most interesting situation there is Miley Cyrus' death, which is sure to be a huge media event, and it doesn't have support there. –Howard the Duck 01:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh she's next then... well we'll see what type of event it is I guess... --candlewicke 04:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


Aerial photographs have revealed the streetplan of a lost Roman city called Altinum, which some scholars regard as a forerunner of Venice. --candlewicke 18:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Any comments on this? --candlewicke 18:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Seems to be very interesting, I would to support. TouLouse (talk) 18:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Death of Sir Bobby Robson

Summed up I think by this US source which features commentary from people who seem to be of differing nationalities plus the President of FIFA. ESPNManager at the FIFA World Cup. Managed and associated with teams in Ireland as well as Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands Saviour of careers? Noted for his achievements A "legend ... widely regarded as a gentleman of British sport ... devoting his time to raising money for the Sir Bobby Robson Foundation" Caused somebody to cry for three hours? Manager during the Hand of God goal. Will be honoured by England's entire Football League next month. Is this one good enough? --candlewicke 17:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Support - Its a no brainer he was respected worldwide as this video from the 2007 Sports Personality shows. Personally i will be shocked if he isnt offered a State Funeral in England.Jason Rees (talk) 19:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Wow... that is a lot of appreciation in that video... --candlewicke 19:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, he was a notable person. Offliner (talk) 20:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Does he really establish top notability? I am sorry but I have to weakly oppose.  Cargoking  talk  21:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
The death must meet one or more of the following criteria:
  1. The deceased was in a high ranking office of power, and had a significant contribution/impact on the country/region.
  2. The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such.
  3. The death has a major international impact that affects current events. The modification or creation of multiple articles to take into account the ramifications of a death is a sign that it meets the third criterion.

He appears to meet one and two there rather easily; in fact "country/region" for one might even be an understatement. --candlewicke 21:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

There is also no significant update.  Cargoking  talk  21:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
It can be updated though. There is no shortage of sources. --candlewicke 21:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Article is also an FA so that wouldn't be a problem. --candlewicke 03:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Oppose for now. The update is currently too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Expanded a bit. Offliner (talk) 06:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
There appears to be some misunderstanding about the criteria. Criteria 1 refers to the situation preceeding the death NOT the situation several years back. From what I can tell Sir Bobby Robson was not in a high ranking office of power and had not been for a while. Also, the second criteria similar refers to a situation preceeding the death. Nil Einne (talk) 05:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - If youre going to apply that critera then you need to apply it to Corazon Aquino as well as she wasnt in a high ranking office of power at her death.Jason Rees (talk) 16:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Since Nil Einne objected above, I'd like comments from long-time ITNers like Spencer or Tone, before I consider posting this. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Highly respected guy, and well thought of, but even as a football fan in England I can't suggest that there is any way that his expected death after a long illness is news of global significance. Ability of the press to generate respectful quotes about a person does not prove that person's significance (stick a mike under the Prime Minister's nose and ask him for a comment, and he is not likely to say anything against the guy who has just died), and minutes of silence at football matches seem to happen several times a season since the post-Diana public grief syndrome. What I must query is the objection on the grounds that the article has not been significantly updated since his death: all that is encyclopaedically relevant in this case is the fact that he has died: are the ITN-watchers suggesting that pages should be significantly biased towards recent events? Kevin McE (talk) 07:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
IMHO, the requirement of more than one sentence update in a biography article after the person has died is ridiculous. Even the media reports don't usually say much more about the death itself, and concentrate on describing the person's life instead. Offliner (talk) 07:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Significant update means more than one line, not paragraphs or sections. It would refer to the reactions of people, the international community, etc. and could take about three to four lines that's all. I don't think this would swing the FA one way or another. I'm not sure an insufficient update is a reason to object. What I noticed about this one was the reactions from people from different countries and the President of his sport's global governing body. What needs to be determined is if consensus deems him notable enough for ITN based upon the available sources. --candlewicke 17:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Bus crash - Sant Pol de Mar
Object I live in the Barcelona region, and I could find half-a-dozen news items more worthy of ITN than this one just from the last week. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Really? What are they? Do Dutch tourists die every day of the week there and receive international coverage in countries such as Australia, Canada, China, France, India, Ireland, South Africa, Thailand, the United Arab Emirates and the United Kingdom? --candlewicke 00:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Six Dutch tourists are killed and at least 36 others are injured in a bus crash in Sant Pol de Mar, Spain. --candlewicke 00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. This was just a car accident, and I don't think the fatality is high enough. (Bombing attacks are quite a different matter.) --BorgQueen (talk) 04:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Note: Bus, not car accident. --candlewicke 17:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Belgium's reaction has since been added. --candlewicke 17:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Sakhalin–Khabarovsk–Vladivostok pipeline
Not exactly a top news but maybe worth for mentioning. Beagel (talk) 15:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, this is notable and has a good article. Offliner (talk) 22:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Support it may not be making headlines, but this pipeline will be around much longer than those who do. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Bryan, Texas
No major injuries reported. No mention of death whatsoever. Two US sources indicating no international coverage has been verified right now. No reason for me to support. --candlewicke 16:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Neutral, 70,000 evacuated is a lot of people. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

2007 Pakistani state of emergency

This is significant, it is a historical case.yousaf465'

The update is currently too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
More is coming in. I think this will thicken up.yousaf465'
Support when ready. --candlewicke 16:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


Firefox passes its 1st billion mark. i think this is pretty big. first time ever a browser other than IE has done this and open source at that. BBC. Probably one of the biggest open source accomplishments over private companies in a long time. Ashish-g55 15:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

besides we put sports records like this one all the time... dont even remember when we had an internet related item on ITN last time Ashish-g55 15:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
What sports records? Aren't these just statistics? --candlewicke 16:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Well as you just said, Internet Explorer have done it before. So it's the second. (What is a 1 billion mark anyway?) Oppose.  Cargoking  talk  16:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
not records... wrote it wrong. it is statistics. a prestigious one. but its ok i just thought should mention it cause its the first since IE. a better one would be to beat IE in user share i suppose. Ashish-g55 18:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Precisely. It's not an accomplishment over IE since if Firefox has 1 billion and IE has one gazillion it would be a completely meaningless accompishment in comparison to IE. An accomplishment over IE would be a larger marketshare then IE or something Nil Einne (talk) 06:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

July 30

ITN candidates for July 30

Kazakhstan rocket launch

Yesterday if anyone is interested. --candlewicke 16:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

If there's an article, I'll support!  Cargoking  talk  16:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure why these 6 satellites would be so notable. The only reason the BBC is mentioning them is that some of them were British. Offliner (talk) 03:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
So you would argue they aren't notable because it is Kazakhstan and doesn't concern the rest of the world? --candlewicke 04:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
No... It's just that there are many satellites being launched all the time (see 2009 in spaceflight), but we usually don't put them in ITN, so I don't know why this one would be more important than all the others we didn't put in ITN. The only reason this launch received some press is because some of the satellites were British. But I don't know, what do others think about putting this in ITN? Offliner (talk) 19:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Space missions are standard ITNs and can even be found at WP:ITNR. The fact that some may not get posted is possibly down to them not being nominated or being ignored by editors. This one is most likely to go the same way even though I tipped people off by posting the link here yesterday. I didn't even check but if there are six satellites that should surely be all the more notable. Plus Kazakhstan doesn't usually get nominated for launching satellites (or nominated at all actually). But that was my thinking anyway. --candlewicke 23:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

First fast food in N Korea

Any significance?  [6] [7] [8] - TouLouse (talk) 16:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Its kinda like a Tim Hortons opening in Manhattan. not significant enough for ITN. Ashish-g55 16:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
It recently launched a beer commercial, however, the first foreign-run restaurant opening there was also reported in 2007. Not sure I agree with the above comparison though. --candlewicke 16:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Sources also date from about five or six days ago so time may be running out/have already run out. --candlewicke 16:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. Also, the thought of those doughnuts is driving me mad…  Cargoking  talk  16:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Now I am getting hungry... --candlewicke 16:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Ya i was just drinking Tim Hortons coffee so i thought i should throw that in there. Ashish-g55 16:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Well drink up! This conversation could go on for years.  Cargoking  talk  16:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of which… Come to Dublin Zoo, visit the new arrivals, and go Ireland's only actual Tim Hortons branch! (I think we could end this conversation here)  Cargoking  talk  16:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. I think this only notable from a certain point-of-view. Besides, there is no article, and it would be silly to write one about this. Offliner (talk) 03:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

2009 Burgos bombing (29 July) and 2009 Palmanova bombing (30 July)
  • No deaths but I think it's an important event. - TouLouse (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, but all those [citation needed] tags need to be dealt with first. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Now, I see this [9] 2 deaths, also in Spain... I think that event can be added in first article, and then must be rename, as July 2009 Spanish car attacks...Any thoughts? TouLouse (talk) 13:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Support too. I left lots of sources on the talk page yesterday which verify that it's being covered in several European countries, Australia, Asia, Africa and North America. It is also probably significant for its lack of death considering the scale of the injuries. --candlewicke 13:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Separate articles maybe? "Thursday's attack was the deadliest since two Spanish undercover policemen were shot during an operation in south-western France in December 2007." The two attacks seem different (the latest seems a bit like this in that Spain doesn't usually experience this every day like Iraq, etc.) and should we be drawing our own conclusions and linking them in one article at this stage? --candlewicke 14:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Now we have 2 articles - 2009 Burgos bombing (65 injured)- 2009 Palmanova bombing (2 dead) --TouLouse (talk) 14:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Please insert the deadliest since 2007 bit into the second one as it looks a bit bare on significance. --candlewicke 15:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. The latter needs further updating though.  Cargoking  talk  15:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Support also - Two bombings in two days is pretty significant --Daviessimo (talk) 15:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
2 articles but should their only be 1 blurb? if they are totally unrelated then we shouldnt put them together. it will mislead people into thinking they are related in some way... Ashish-g55 15:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
How about separate blurbs if both are expanded a lot but one blurb if they are relatively short? --candlewicke 15:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware the Spanish authorities have blamed both attacks on ETA and given that both were aimed towards the Civil Guard I think the link is more than likely true. If that is the case they will need to be listed together --Daviessimo (talk) 15:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, the BBC are now reporting that both airport and port have been closed and given that Majorca is a tourist mecca in Europe that is going to have huge implications. The port is a central turnaround point for Cruise Ships and the airport handles somewhere in the region of 800 flights a day during the summer months --Daviessimo (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Blurb: In Spain, a series of car attacks in Burgos and Palmanova leaves at least two deaths and 50 injuries. TouLouse (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
How about in the (roughly speaking) form: "In Spain, Bomb B kills two police officers in Palmanova, one day after Bomb A injures X in Burgos"? --candlewicke 21:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I think those article are updated enough! Who will be posted?TouLouse (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Cable/Internet blackout in west africa.

BBC - "Around 70% of Nigeria's bandwidth was cut, causing severe problems for its banking sector, government and mobile phone networks." Multiple countries involved. Ashish-g55 13:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Support. Can anyone update SAT-3/WASC (cable system) article? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Updated it. put current tag on it. will try and update a little more later on Ashish-g55 14:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. --candlewicke 15:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
The update is currently too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I've added more. Is it better now? SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


Look at this - TouLouse (talk) 09:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

It would be interesting but they do not even know which perfume or if it even was the perfume... right now it looks like some random carbon monoxide leak. Ashish-g55 14:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. It doesn't really have any significance.  Cargoking  talk  15:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. Nobody died and, unlike the Spanish incidents, significant international coverage has not been verified. --candlewicke 15:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

KARI space launch

According to Korea Aerospace Research Institute (KARI), July 30 is the tentative launch date for the STSAT-2 (Science and Technology Satellite-2) program which will see South Korea's KSLV1 rocket carry the payloads of a LIST (Lyman- alpha Imaging Solar Telescope) and SLR (Satellite Laser Ranging) on the satellite launched from the newly constructed Naro Space Center in Goheung County, South Jeolla.NasdaqTelecoms Korea News Service SriMesh | talk 02:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Cook Islands conspiracy

Sacked... --candlewicke 03:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I would have supported if the sacking was done the other way around. (FM sacking PM) Sounds ridiculous, I know, but it would make a nice headline.   --BorgQueen (talk) 04:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
  --candlewicke 15:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Colour makes my smile
Funny thing… A lot of colour (color to all you Americans out there), has appeared on this page recently. It really brightens up the serious topic of news. Thank you!  Cargoking  talk  15:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
  Ashish-g55 15:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
  --BorgQueen (talk) 18:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
  --candlewicke 18:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Where I could find all these emoticons? :P:P TouLouse (talk) 18:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
  Some are here. --candlewicke 19:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Guys, stop, that's getting silly!   --Tone 19:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
  (sniffle) --candlewicke 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey i didnt start it   Ashish-g55 19:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I made a userbox for you all!  .  Cargoking  talk  20:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

July 29

ITN candidates for July 29

Moldova election

Seems there will be a change of power in Moldova, someone please update the article. --Tone 08:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there a BBC or other news link? SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Here. The results are pretty much clear, I think it's ready to post when updated. --Tone 15:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm more than happy to update the article once I get back from work just over an hour from now. Of course, if someone can update earlier I have no problem with that. Otumba (talk) 15:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, took me longer to get home than I expected. Right, updating now... Otumba (talk) 17:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Done, sorry again for the delay. Right, how about this for an ITN sentence: Moldova's ruling Communist party fails to gain a majority of the vote in a parliamentary election, allowing the possibility of opposition parties to form a coalition government. Otumba (talk) 20:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

A national-level event in São Tomé and Príncipe

Portugal signs Sao Tome euro deal. Note: This is not a joke nomination and hopefully those who aren't interested won't be offended.   --candlewicke 21:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The article to update is São Tomé and Príncipe dobra, I think. SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
São Tomé and Príncipe (flag pictured) agrees a loan deal with Portugal to link the dobra and the euro. --candlewicke 19:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting, but a no on the image. I'm not too hot on flags/country maps/etc. for general stories like this. SpencerT♦Nominate! 21:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of Leela Naidu

What is happening to all the beautiful women in India? ...crowned Miss India in 1955 and renowned for her beauty, starred in films including the award-winning Anuradha. Indian president Pratibha Patil said her work had "delighted Hindi film-goers across the country". Film-maker Shyam Benegal, who directed Naidu in 1985 movie Trikaal, said her death was "a loss to the film industry"... once featured in a Vogue magazine list of the most beautiful women in the world... One of world’s ‘most beautiful women’ dies Leela Naidu put India on the map Leela Naidu defined 'face of India' to the world Leela Naidu personified grace and beauty BOLLYWOOD LEGEND NAIDU DIES Leela Naidu passes away Flower in the shade: Leela Naidu passes away I think the first one might be more significant but this has lots of coverage so who knows? The President has commented which would be the equivalent of Barack Obama on Michael Jackson/politics meets entertainment I suppose. Discuss... --candlewicke 19:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Although famous i think only bollywood person famous enough for ITN is Amitabh Bachchan. rest i would oppose. Ashish-g55 20:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I would disagree with the more general point. IMHO there are definitely others, e.g. Shahrukh Khan Nil Einne (talk)
i actually was thinking about him too but bachchan has been there since early 70s. maybe in 10 more years i will say same about shahrukh too. my point had to do with comparisons to cinemas worldwide. within bollywood sure there are more people... Ashish-g55 02:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of Gayatri Devi

What about her? According to the BBC, One of the last queens of India, Gayatri Devi, once described as one of the most beautiful women in the world... The fashion icon broke with tradition by winning election to parliament in 1962... She supported education for women, and founded a prestigious school in Jaipur... They spent the summers in Europe... Vogue magazine once listed her among the "World's Ten Most Beautiful Women"... During the 1970s, the then-Prime Minister Indira Gandhi abolished the last royal privileges, and Gayatri Devi was jailed for five months for violating tax laws. More coverage: Washington Post Daily Mail Calcutta Telegraph Indian Express The Hindu The Daily Telegraph Sounds like she had several careers anyway... --candlewicke 19:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Is this some sort of joke? Neither of these deaths was unexpected. Start Existing (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Neither were the deaths of Millvina Dean or Raúl Alfonsín. And the last time there was a lot of death one of the nominations which occurred as a result was Natalia Estemirova which was posted because of this. So no, not a joke or attempt at being disruptive... --candlewicke 20:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

A lot of people aren't too hot on Internet articles appearing on ITN. Nonetheless, it seems to have notability enough to appear on ITN. I'm on the fence, though. SpencerT♦Nominate! 15:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
The danger being that this is the Internet, this is a website and that posting any or every web story that occurs risks being biased... will it change the world? --candlewicke 16:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
although merger of two of the 3 biggest internet search giants is pretty big. Ashish-g55 16:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I would support if the article was a bit better. --Tone 16:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
It's the lead story on the AP wire right now, according to Yahoo News. (Or maybe Yahoo Inc. has some influence on the placement of stories?) -- Mwalcoff (talk) 16:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I would think so. A company saying it is popular? --candlewicke 19:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Maybe I'm naive, but I doubt Yahoo messes with the order of AP stories. I've seen stories on there that make Yahoo Inc. look bad. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 19:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

July 28

ITN candidates for July 28

Death of Merce Cunningham

"The American choreographer Merce Cunningham, one of the creative giants of the 20th century, has died... bringing to a close one of the most extraordinary careers in dance... Cunningham was an unreconstructed revolutionary... For more than 50 years he remained true to his avant-garde instincts, refusing to follow any fashion but the one he spawned..." I wonder if it is suitable... --candlewicke 17:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

quite a bit of deaths lately. not that they went on main page but i think we rejected some that were more notable than this... Ashish-g55 17:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Candlewicke, I support because Cunningham was the greatest living choreographer. It might help your cause if you can explain why Walter Cronkite, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived, did not go up. :-) -SusanLesch (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Um, consensus maybe? I thought Cronkite was called the greatest though? I'm just doing as I always do, browsing the newspapers and raising anything which may be possible. My "cause" is not to see this posted over any others. --candlewicke 17:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
i am going to oppose this on the basis that he was great in his field but not famous worldwide. I think deaths should only go up if they are at MJ level. Every field will have a "greatest" and every country has their own fields too so its just too many to put on. Ashish-g55 18:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Ashishg55, Cunningham was known in Europe before he was known in the United States. (obituary says "International fame came to him before national fame.") -SusanLesch (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
well i worded it poorly. by international i dont mean few countries. i mean like MJ fame. I would put Nelson Mandela in in MJ category. so that kind of notability. but its upto other ppl i suppose. i just think deaths should be a lot stricter than other news. Ashish-g55 18:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Just shows to go ya that you guys or gals are 100% wishy washy. ;-) -SusanLesch (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I still have my principle of unexpected death not going up unless they are extenuating circumstances. I go to an arts academy and don't know who Cunningham is. I'm afraid I'll have to oppose. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm gonna have to say oppose on this one. It seems that putting Jacko's death up has opened the proverbial flood gates with regards to deaths! Anyway my reasons are the same as always. Whilst this person may be well known in their field, the age of death is, for me, the problem. Had they been 50 I would probably support, because they were internationally known in their field and the death would have been unexpected. As it is, Cunningham was 90 and thus the death is not unexpected. I tend to agree with Ashishg's logic that anyone who goes up on ITN at this age, has to be known well enough for who they are or what they have achieved and I don't think Cunningham passes this test. I always use Tim Berners-Lee as the acid test - say his name to someone and they'll probably never have heard of him - tell someone what he was famous for and everyone knows that --Daviessimo (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
That's fine, I had never heard of this person either. However, it is difficult to determine just who exactly is well-known (even Michael Jackson is probably unknown on a remote island somewhere) so I just thought I'd nominate this one as it was an American getting a great obituary in The Times of the UK. --candlewicke 20:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Omar Abdullah resigns

"The leading elected politician in Indian Kashmir resigned today over allegations that he was involved in a sex trafficking and underage prostitution racket." --candlewicke 16:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Disgusting, but I'm not sure that he's a high-enough level politician to go up. However, we did have the Eliot Spitzer prostitution thing up (or was it removed?). SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose it's at a sub-national level. If this was Mr Singh, I'd support. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a need to be consistent though... if US states go up then why not Indian or Chinese regional divisions for example... --candlewicke 20:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
They shouldn't I'd oppose Spitzer if it happened today. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Why New York and not Kashmir? Because this is the English-language encyclopedia and we have many times more users in the U.S. than in India or China, despite the large populations of the latter countries. News value doesn't follow mathematical logic -- you can't say "If X is newsworthy and Y is another country's version of X, than Y is newsworthy." That's not how it works. No news outlet works that way. Note that I'm not opposing the nomination, just making a point about making comparisons. And yes, I know English is a lingua franca of India. Come to think of it, we probably do have many readers in India (although not nearly as many as in the U.S. or UK), and if this is a super-major story nationally in India, I'd be supportive of it going up. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I am not supporting/opposing as i dont yet know enough about this issue. just to comment on Mwalcoff's point. ur logic still resides on the fact that wikipedia has more users in US so new york news is more prominent. This is flawed logic. As u said this is english language "encyclopedia". news value is not determined by which users visit the encyclopedia its determined via logical comparison to other prominent news. a comparison with users visiting from particular country can never make rich encyclopedia. it will only contain similar type events hence heavily biased. Ashish-g55 21:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
No, that wasn't my argument at all! Neither is worthy of the main page IMHO. If your not a major national official, I couldn't care less if you're thrown out because you screwed some secretary! Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
are u saying this to candlewicke? lol. getting confused :( Ashish-g55 21:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
☺ Well I certainly don't recall "screwing" any secretaries... :P --candlewicke 02:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
@ Mwalcoff: And if the sources are available and someone (who may not even be from that country but still might be interested) is willing to spend time nominating, preparing and updating it? Should it still be refused then because some readers might not be interested in the politics of what to them is such a faraway place? --candlewicke 21:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
ok after reading properly. i oppose on grounds that its just some random resigning. if he killed a person and thats why he was forced to resign then it would be a lot more interesting. ppl sleeping with prostitutes is really not ITN material. I think it was mistake to post it for US case and it would be repeating the mistake for this case (even though for sake of being neutral it should be posted but seriously this isnt ITN worthy news). Ashish-g55 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
No, it was to Mwalcoff. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
@Candlewicke: If it meets all other ITN criteria, I wouldn't mind putting it up because I think we ought to strive for geographical diversity. However, at the same time, I object to the kind of mathematical-logical reasoning that I talked about. You can't draw exact comparisons between two countries, nor should we make blanket statements like, "Sub-national political news should not go up on ITN." Not to pick on the Third World, but I'd bet there would be a lot more interest among our readers in Sarah Palin's resignation as governor of Alaska or something involving Arnold Schwarzenegger than in a national-level event in São Tomé and Príncipe and, just as importantly, the namespace article about Palin or Arnold is likely of much higher quality than that of the president of São Tomé and Príncipe. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Abdelkader Belliraj
I can. Updating article now... Otumba (talk) 16:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Are you an angel in disguise?   Thanks! --BorgQueen (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Lol, no problem. :) Right, is the article ok now? Also, looking at the AP source cited, Belliraj wasn't convicted of the murders. He has been accused of them, but he wasn't charged on those. Perhaps a better ITN sentence might be one that revolves around his conviction for plotting terrorist attacks in Morocco? Otumba (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
As for the blurb, yes. The article still needs some minor cleanups and an infobox. I can take care of that. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Gotcha. Looking again at the suggested ITN sentence above, it doesn't say he was convicted for murder, so my apologies for the misreading. However, I think it does give the impression he was convicted for murder. How about this for a suggestion: Abdelkader Belliraj, accused of leading an Islamist militant group, is sentenced to life in prison for plotting attacks in Morocco? Otumba (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok. I will post it in a couple of hours, after I finish the cleanups. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Otumba (talk) 17:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Turks and Caicos Islands—people die!

(BBC) (Daily Express) (Houston Chronicle) --candlewicke 14:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, when everyone is accounted for.  Cargoking  talk  14:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Just 2 confirmed dead according to the BBC. I say wait a bit longer until more are confirmed dead. SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I'll wait for more information. It sadly depends on the death toll. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
It's nine now just to let you know. --candlewicke 19:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Eleven. --candlewicke 20:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
That's the article - 2009 Turks and Caicos Islands migrant shipwreck - TouLouse (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, still doing it, I based the title and categories on 2009 Mediterranean Sea migrant shipwreck... --candlewicke 20:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Support if the death toll continues to rise, which I suspect it will, given that there are still 70+ missing. --Daviessimo (talk) 20:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Fifteen. Time to post I suggest (were it somewhere else it might have been by now). At least 15 Haitian migrants are killed and dozens are missing following a shipwreck in the Caribbean near the Turks and Caicos Islands. --candlewicke 00:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting. SpencerT♦Nominate! 01:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

First U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue

Any support? The article seems to be well-updated already. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Silence means yes? :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Going to post soon, believing there is no objection. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Support a major international meeting on foreign and economic policy including dozens of officials, many of them in their cabinets. The G2 dominant nations with the East and the West. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the recognition. I spent a lot of time updating this page. More information will roll out later today once the meeting is concluded. I want to thank the other contributing editors too for their good work. Poliphile (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Good work, Poliphile! -SusanLesch (talk) 02:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, thank you!   --candlewicke 04:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Arab Commission for Human Rights
  • The United Nations suspends the Arab Commission for Human Rights after Algeria claimed that the group has connections to a "known terrorist". [11] Does anyone think this is notable? The suspension is only for one year, but it was decided without a vote amid controversy. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose What is it? What does it do? I've never heard of it in my life. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Iran releases 140 demonstrators
Is there an updated section in 2009 Iranian election protests, the bolded article? SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I was under the impression that there are 300 protesters in jail, Mousavi claiming that the number is far higher and 300 is just the number reported to the judiciary. However, if you include that the courts demanded a reason to keep them the day before, it gains more weight. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Is this going to be looked at?Mitch/HC32 21:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

July 27

ITN candidates for July 27

Kyrgyzstani presidential election, 2009

Can anyone update Kyrgyzstani presidential election, 2009? The incumbent Kurmanbek Bakiyev is re-elected. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Updating now... Otumba (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Done, hope it is ok. As a suggestion for the ITN sentence: "Amid accusations of electoral fraud the incumbent President of Kyrgyzstan, Kurmanbek Bakiyev (pictured), wins re-election." Otumba (talk) 15:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted, thanks for the help. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
No problem. :) Otumba (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Nigerian gun battles

I've started the article Boko Haram. Could the ITN story be changed to be a bit more decriptive and link to this article? e.g.:

Clashes between Nigerian police and Islamist militants lead to 150 deaths.

AndrewRT(Talk) 01:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

July 26

ITN candidates for July 26

2009 CONCACAF Gold Cup

Final is today. –Howard the Duck 16:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I have to point out that in the soccer world, I don't think this tournament is that enormous of a deal. Not as big as the UEFA Euro tournament, certainly, and certainly less prominent in the host country than a lot of other events we don't put up on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Listed at WP:ITNR, although it could've been bigger if a team other than the host wins. –Howard the Duck 06:30, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
I added it to ITNR a few months ago because the other continental championships were listed, but not CONCACAF. -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 17:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
I think any soccer tournament that Canada (FIFA ranking 92) has won twice must be pretty much a joke in the soccer world. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
theres only so many countries in North america and canada winning in a north american only tournament isnt that crazy. maybe it is not upto european soccer level but its still multiple countries and if we add europe only tourney's i see no reason not to have this too. i agree its not too exciting but its for sake of being neutral. Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
But I mean there are a lot of other North American sporting events that generate far more interest than the Gold Cup that we don't have on ITN. This to me reflects the problems with saying "All items of type X should go on ITN" or "No item of type X should go on ITN" rather than looking at things on a case-by-case basis. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I think you're being a little short sited here. The Gold Cup does not start and end in North America - you also have Central America and the Caribbean. Football is a big deal in countries like Costa Rica, Honduras and Mexico (it's so big in Mexico that one of the US club teams is named after one of the biggest Mexican clubs, due to the large Mexican population in California!). Just because it will not cause much interest in the US, is not a valid reason for this not to go up --Daviessimo (talk) 18:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Is the Gold Cup that big of a deal in Central America and the Caribbean? I don't honestly know. I would think Copa America would be a bigger deal in Mexico. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: Mexico won big time. –Howard the Duck 00:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Mexico? Support. :D --candlewicke 03:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Sir Bobby Robson Trophy match.

Much more important than the CONCACAF Cup. MickMacNee (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

It says this is a charity game... i am not familiar with this so i will assume u were being sarcastic (correct me if im wrong)... and if u were being sarcastic then please try not to nominate such items in future since it makes this page extra long for no reason. thanks Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Nigerian gunbattle; at least 32 dead

Is this suitable for ITN? --candlewicke 17:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd support, provided there was a well-updated article. SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
It looks like it may be an isolated incident without wider implications? If the article is very good, and can well demonstrate a connection to the wider conflict then I'd support, but otherwise not. Offliner (talk) 17:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
The death toll has reached over 100. Can anyone create an article? It is pretty significant.  Cargoking  talk  12:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Agree, it is more widespread now[12]. Offliner (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
2009 Nigeria battles I start an article, could someone expanded that? - TouLouse (talk) 16:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
At least 150 people are killed during battles in several Nigerian states. --candlewicke 20:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --Tone 20:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

India's first nuclear submarine
The article needs a thorough rewriting though. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
If anyone supports, I will rewrite the article. (Surprise, surprise!) --BorgQueen (talk) 18:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. No obvious reason for me to object.  Cargoking  talk  18:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. This is notable. Offliner (talk) 18:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. Especially if the article is being rewritten by another. :D --candlewicke 18:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, someone beat me to it. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

China's Giant Panda first

Pandas are endangered, right? It's scientific. International coverage certainly isn't a problem. BBC The Washington Post Xinhua News Agency The Irish Times The New Zealand Herald Does anyone support? --candlewicke 13:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Leaning towards support but do you think that enough info is out there to write about? The news releases are mostly too short to get anything much out of them. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
"A Giant Panda (pictured) cub born in Sichuan, China, is the world's first conceived using frozen sperm." We have a video(!) Can it be used? --candlewicke 19:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

2009 Tour de France

Annually reported and on the recurring events list. Armstrong's comeback achievement deserves a mention, as does a team getting two men on the podium, but I would be opposed to mentioning 3rd place if we don't name 2nd. I'd suggest against linking the countries, otherwise there is far more blue text than black. If there is concern that readers won't know what sport this deals with (I would be happy to assume recognition, but...), the genitive cycling's could replace the as the fifth word: I'd suggest dropping 96th in this instance. The most appropriate looking pic on Contador's item is probably File:Contador2.jpg, which at least has him in a yellowish jersey (it is actually the gold jersey of the tour of Spain) and his current team's insignia (albeit last year's version thereof). Kevin McE (talk) 07:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Ready! Conta wins! TouLouse 15:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to put a little more prose into the article? SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
To have prose descriptions of 21 stages would make the article very lengthy: the descriptive element is in the oft-linked daughter articles 2009 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11 and 2009 Tour de France, Stage 12 to Stage 21. Kevin McE (talk) 19:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
But I've added a Race Overview section as well. Kevin McE (talk) 20:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

July 25

ITN candidates for July 25

2009 southern Europe wildfires

"Wildfires in southern Europe kill at least eight people." Predicted to get worse over the week as temperatures rise etc. Jolly Ω Janner 19:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Support, several countries involved. --candlewicke 19:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
By the way, there might be better pics available at low resolution. File:Sierra Cabrera wildfire 6.jpg possibley? Heck, this really is first-hand journalism to the max. Jolly Ω Janner 20:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
After looking at the article, it could probably use some section dividers, and infobox, and a little more information about the Greek fires before it goes up. SpencerT♦Nominate! 20:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I've split it into two sections, added an infobox and added a paragraph on the fires in Greece. Jolly Ω Janner 23:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. Btw, the picture you've added above is a really bad one, even at a greater resolution, I wouldn't use it in the article at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Harry Patch

"Harry Patch, the last surviving World War I veteran to fight in the trenches, dies at age 111." I'm not sure whether we should put him up, as he is the last to fight in the trenches, or wait until the final veteran passes. --PlasmaTwa2 21:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Well it's not every week a supercentenarian oldest man WWI veteran dies... I support these "lasts" of World War history but I don't think many others do... but if Patch hasn't featured before that might work in his favour... the trenches are quite symbolic... --candlewicke 22:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
He has no previous ITN.  Cargoking  talk  09:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

July 24

ITN candidates for July 24

Operation Bid Rig
  • FBI and IRS agents arrests 44 people, including five rabbis, two New Jersey state legislators, and three mayors. Michelle Bentley (talk) 12:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Gran Telescopio Canarias

The Gran Telescopio Canarias, the world's largest telescope, is inaugurated by King Juan Carlos I of Spain. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone expand the paragraph on the formal opening a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Nevermind, I am doing it. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Updated, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Aria Air Flight 1525
  • Iran aircraft crash - 17 die TouLouse (talk) 17:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, when expanded. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Saad bin Laden

Has been killed by a US missile attack in Pakistan, [14] TouLouse (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds a bit speculative to me. The U.S. officials are not 100% certain. I mean, it is not that they have his body or some tangible proof. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
But if the death will be official this will be a ITN material or not? TouLouse (talk) 16:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
If so, I will probably support... --BorgQueen (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

New Species found

Some gecko looking thing found in india. Its been named Cnemasspis kolhapurensis. which is incredibly hard to pronounce. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Hundreds (perhaps more) of species are discovered every year. Are we going to feature them all? I think the new species will have to have some "abnormal" chracteristic to be on ITN, like Titanoboa. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
ya i was skeptical too about this. since we just had the salamander. well maybe we dont need to go to Titanoba all the way. thats like waiting for dinos to come back lol. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Report of successful breakthrough in stem cell research, without the need for embryonic stem cells

Chinese researchers from the Shanghai Stem Cell Institute, led by Professor Fanyi Zeng, sucessfully reprogrammed adult stem cells taken from skin tissue to be able to differentiate into any body cell, the reprogrammed cells known as "induced pluripotent stem cells" (IPS cells). The researchers have managed to use the IPS cells to create every type of cell in a mouse, creating entire mouse pups using the technique. This is the first time the technique has been used to make an entire mouse. The oldest living mice created by the technique are nine months old and are reproducing, albeit showing signs of abnormalities. A total of 27 mice were successfully born from the first generation of mice created from the IPS cells which were able to reproduce without any issues. This breakthrough, published in the journals Nature and Cell Stem Cell and developed independently by two teams in China, may possibly depreciate the usage of stem cells obtained from human embryos. (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 12:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Well we have to look at it.yousaf465'
That's big news. When the articles are updated, I support. --Tone 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, this is huge. --GPPande 17:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I will be unable to edit in the next few days up to Wednesday, due to examinations, and so probably will not be able to expand the article further. Just a quick note at that. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 23:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
The iPS cells were generated from embryonic fibroblasts, not adult stem cells (says both the Nature and Cell Stem Cell paper). Both adult stem cells and fibroblasts have been made iPS cells before, the news is that they got whole mice (non-chimeric even) out of the cells. Narayanese (talk) 16:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Norwich North by-election

Chloe Smith wins the Norwich North by-election, the first British constituency by-election since the United Kingdom Parliamentary expenses scandal, and gains the Conservative Party a seat held by Labour for the past 12 years. Otumba (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I know the result hasn't been announced yet, but because of the certainty amongst the press and analysts that the Conservatives will win, I thought to pre-empt the announcement with this suggestion. Of course, it will need to be confirmed that Smith has won before it goes up, if it goes up. I know this is just a by-election, but I think it is deserving of a place in ITN, because it is the first of the type since the expenses scandal, and because this was a safe Labour seat. Having said this, I understand if the nomination is opposed; I just thought what's the harm in trying. Otumba (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I have to oppose, we really feature just top-level elections, such as parliamentary and presidential. --Tone 11:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Unless it leads to a snap election, the PM's resignation or some other significant political action it not going to be big enough for ITN. --Daviessimo (talk) 16:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Bus crash
Can anyone help with an article?  Cargoking  talk  11:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes - 2009 Rostov bus crash - can you add some info? TouLouse (talk) 12:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Now updated.
The article is still too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Really? What parts can be improved?  Cargoking  talk  13:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that the article will be on ITN could be surely improved by many users. TouLouse (talk) 08:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
No, the article has to be expanded before it gets featured on MP, not the other way around. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

2009 Croatia train crash
  • 4 death and 20 injured. TouLouse (talk) 12:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Two traffic accidents in one day, if the articles are updated enough, I would support having them in one blurb together. --Tone 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

July 23

ITN candidates for July 23

Mark Buehrle's perfect game
  • Mark Buehrle of the Chicago White Sox pitches the 18th perfect game in Major League Baseball history against the Tampa Bay Rays.
    • A perfect game is the ultimate pitching accomplishment in baseball. The pitcher gets out all 27 batters he faces in a row, not allowing a single hitter to reach first base. It has happened only 18 times since 1880, the previous time in 2004. Sox fan Barack Obama called Buehrle to congratulate him after the game. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
As far as i can tell this is considered hard to do. but this isnt a record... Martin Brodeur's all time record wasnt added since it was considered too "domestic" in nature. This is a perfect game in MLB which is also "domestic". So i do not know... i will give it a weak support since there is no guarantee he will not do it again tomorrow. statistically it shouldnt happen but that is what we said for Kaká trade which got beat like the next week. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
To test the notability of this event i would like to compare it to this List of goaltenders who have scored a goal in an NHL game. If we can agree that everytime goalie scoring a goal in NHL will make it to ITN then i will fully support a perfect game for MLB. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Strong Support A perfect game has happened only 18 times in well over 100 years. No pitcher has ever done it more than once. This is by far the most notable option. Alexfusco5 01:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Strong oppose We didn't put Brodeur's all-time record up, and last time I checked that only happened once. Keep non-championship games out of ITN, please. --PlasmaTwa2 03:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Strong oppose Also, let's keep non-British sports out. Less baseball, more test cricket. Let's keep Wikipedia British-centric. Nutmegger (talk) 04:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I oppose this one as well. This goes into the category of sport statistics and I am against those in most cases. Since there is a clear opposition to this entry above, I have replaced it with one of the previous entries. --Tone 07:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
There is only one serious oppose here. –Howard the Duck 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
For me the only sporting stats worthy of going up are very top level world records and firsts. However, even then I'm leaning towards opposing those because with modern athletes and technology they are being broken and beaten ever more often. --Daviessimo (talk) 08:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm betting even the Japanese would concede that MLB is the "top-level" of baseball. –Howard the Duck 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes but it is not a world record or world first is it? Even if it were, I still feel that sporting records are broken so often that it kind of makes them redundant. I mean where do you draw the line at notability? Is Jaime Alguersuari becoming the youngest ever F1 driver on Sunday notable? The previous record has stood since 1980, which is much longer ago than the last 'perfect game' in MLB --Daviessimo (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
If you think about it, you can't "break a record" for a perfect game, unless of course you do it twice in a career, or if the game extends into a gazillion innings.
And I dunno about Alguersuari, but a perfect game requires that the pitcher's team win the game. We did this for Vettel when he became the youngest driver ever to win, so that make sense. –Howard the Duck 09:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes but Vettel was a world record, in arguably the most international sporting championship on the planet. I'm no expert on baseball (in fact I know hardly anything) but surely this fella will start the next game still 'unbeaten' as it were. He has in one game got out 27 batters for nothing. In the next game if he gets out the first batter for nothing surely he moves onto 28 unbeaten and it will continue like this. If that is the case the equivilant world record would be when he reaches and exceeds the highest number of batters out, without any of them reaching first base. --Daviessimo (talk) 09:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I think Buehrle will play at least after 4 games, and I dunno if they kept records the way you are saying. No one has had a perfect game twice in his career, and I think the "perfect game" doesn't carry over the way you said it, unless he pitches perfectly the next game, which has never happened. –Howard the Duck 10:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Hence i suggested using NHL's goalie scoring goal as a measurement tool. That has only happened 11 times too so if u can agree on posting it everytime it happens then i guess perfect game can go up too. i gave a weak support earlier because of rarity factor but if something rare in one sport gets posted then it should be posted in others too. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I dunno if we compare this with NHL goalies though. The perfect game is a test on how good a pitcher is. A goalie scoring a goal is more of a feel-good story. I'd like it if a goalie breaks the record for most consecutive shutouts or something like that. –Howard the Duck 13:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
But do we really wanna put ITN item when someone does good at a game that they play professionally? Im sure every game has certain way of displaying how great a player is. Thats why we usually stick to records since they need to be broken. A perfect game is just display of how good u r at a certain game that is mainly only played in one country. now if he goes on a perfect game streak somehow then that becomes a record and we can put something like that for sure. So i am going to take my weak support back and put an oppose for this reason. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Its interesting to see non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page. A perfect game is a big deal. The object of the game defensively is to get batters out and a perfect game is 27 of them in a row. I suppose retiring the entire team without any runs in cricket would be the equivalent but that would be much less common because scores are much higher in cricket than in baseball. These rarity discussions are absurd non sequiturs. A goalie scoring a goal is a fluke thing. Its like striking out four batters in an inning or something. I'm OK with the perfect game being taken off the ITN, but using rare flukes to demonstrate that great feats are not notable is bizarre logic.DavidRF (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
A goalie scoring a goal is not a fluke... everything can be considered fluke by ur logic. Goalies intentionally try to score goals many times and it pretty much never happens as it is not easy. So calling their feat a fluke is also very absurd. No matter what this feat falls under a rare event in a game category. This is not a record in any way. For ex. if a country were to just invent a game tomorrow and call this one aspect of game very hard to accomplish then would we post it everytime it happens? A major record in a game i can understand atleast it needs to be broken. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
And also the entire conversation above has nothing to do with being a fan or not... we are constructively trying to discuss notability and calling the discussion an attempt for "non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page" is almost offensive. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Goalies scoring goals in hockey most certainly is a fluke thing. It pretty much never happens because teams almost never try! You'd be hard-pressed to find any real hockey fans who associate this feat with greatness. If it was such a big deal, goalies would spend less time guarding their own net. Perhaps "fluke" is too disrespectful, but its a very odd feat. A pitcher actually wants to retire every batter he faces. And baseball wasn't just invented. Its been around a while. :-) I'm OK with the perfect game not making ITN because its going to happen about every five years or so and every-five-year feats would clog up ITN if they were included for all sports, but please don't use your goalie-goal example in the future, its completely ridiculous and in my opinion unconstructive. I apologize for the "keeping baseball news" off the page remark. Especially since I concur with the conclusion here. Cheers.DavidRF (talk) 15:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
i wouldnt really include either events. goalie goal is just example of a rare event for a sport. and my point is adding all the rare events no matter how great the feat is probably not a good idea. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
One more reply. "Rare" and "great" are different things. Please keep that in mind in the future.DavidRF (talk) 16:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
New works of Mozart

2 new works of mozart have been found. Not too many details yet. they are to be released Aug 2. i think this is definitely noteworthy but maybe wait till more details arrive? Ashish-g55 (talk) 22:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose until details arrive. MacMedtalkstalk 02:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Support - I was looking at this one of the BBC website and thinking it looks like a good item. However, I think we need to wait for official confirmation, which will be given next week --Daviessimo (talk) 08:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
i will put the nom in future events for Aug 2. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit skeptical. Discoveries like these are not uncommon. They tease the press with a news release and then very little ever comes of it. I guess we'll see on Aug 2. Hope I'm wrong.DavidRF (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
DavidRF please drop in once on Aug 2 to give ur comment on the new finds. will help in making decision. thanks Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

SEACOM (cable system)

High speed internet release in East-Africa TouLouse (talk) 15:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Support, but the article needs to be updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Support - it seems like a pretty large scale system. Does it still need an update? --Daviessimo (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I've made an update to the article so it should be ready to post now --Daviessimo (talk) 21:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Kim Dae-jung

Former President of South Korea and a Nobel prize winner Kim Dae-jung is in critical condition. [15] Let's keep an eye. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Support and we must wait his death then will be put on ITN - TouLouse (talk) 09:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Pervez Musharraf

He has been called in to defend himself in case aganist November 3 emergency.yousaf465'

Ferry collision

One ferry with 1,500 passengers rammed a smaller ferry in Nynäshamn, Sweden. Many people inured but no reported deaths yet. [16][17][18][19][20][21][22]Krm500 (Communicate!) 10:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Without any deaths I'm going to have to oppose. Its not uncommon for ships to hit one another in bad weather --Daviessimo (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Obviously (and luckily), but when I posted it there were no reports on how big damage had been made. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 21:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

July 22

ITN candidates for July 22

Earthquake - Again
Is this significant?  Cargoking  talk  17:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
300mm lol. well i guess it could save gas somehow. help reduce global warming... but seriously speaking if it somehow moved 3km then it would be a little more significant Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague issues a decision on the borders of Abyei, a region subject to violent contention in Sudan. (BBC)

The decision appears to be significant, but the article Abyei has a POV tag. I would appreciate if anyone could resolve the issue so we could have the item on ITN. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the hard work. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Jupiter impact
The article is too short at the moment. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it okay now? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

July 21

ITN candidates for July 21

  • Nominate Jupiter impact. --bender235 (talk) 11:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. Can you please update Jupiter#Ground-based telescope research? The section mentions Shoemaker-Levy's impact, you could add the latest impact there. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Done. Rudimentarily, at least. --bender235 (talk) 13:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Just one sentence? Please, it has to be at least a paragraph. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not exactly an expert on this topic, so I'm kinda hesitating to add more information. BTW: The Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact has only two sentences as well. --bender235 (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
That's irrelevant since the Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact is not an ITN candidate. The latest impact is. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I added further information plus a picture. That should do it, right? --bender235 (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Solar eclipse of July 22, 2009

I know this is up for July 22. but since the eclipse is going to start a little before 22nd with totality being 2 hours in according to UTC, i suggest putting this up earlier so ppl know about it. It is not really Crystal balling since it is an eclipse and it will happen lol. plus 22nd will start earlier in nations that will actually see the eclipse. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to elaborate. the reason why i want this to go up early is because the noteworthy part is the fact that its the longest eclipse for the century. and putting this item after it has happened is fairly useless since then its just an eclipse that took place... its mainly noteworthy before it takes place so people know about it and can go watch it. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Suggest a well-worded blurb please. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
How about adding asia. since its over many countries too. so something like... The longest total solar eclipse of the 21st century, takes place over parts of Asia and the Pacific Ocean. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
But it is only visible in some parts of Asia. Can you refine your wording a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Who? Me or Ashishg55?  Cargoking  talk  16:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, my mistake. Ashishg55's suggestion is fine. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
ya i added "parts of" to the original post (too lazy to retype it). rest the image can clarify. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
So it wasn't my mistake. I recant my sorry. :-D Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't we usually feature such news on ITN? --Tone 12:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

July 20

ITN candidates for July 20

Worst car accident in Germany's history
  • A 260-car pile-up on a German motorway. [23] This must have broken some record, even if the police's claim that it is the worst in their history is not true. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes 10 deaths, I want to support, but must be create an article. TouLouse (talk) 16:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

2009 India floods

-- Tinu Cherian - 09:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Can i suggest that we start a 2009 Monsoon article and merge the 2009 India floods and the 2009 Karachi floods into it since theirs going to be a lot more deaths to come from the monsoon. Jason Rees (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I would suggest keeping it seperate for geographical reasons. -- Tinu Cherian - 10:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree, no need to merge.yousaf465'

Australian cricket team in England in 2009

  • England Wins an Ashes Test at Lord's since 1934.

-- It's after a gap of 75 years at the home of cricket.yousaf465'

July 19

ITN candidates for July 19

British Open
It's important to mention Watson, since he's 59 years old and shocked everyone by nearly winning. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
This item is on WP:ITNR, as one of the four golf majors, so it needs to be put up ASAP. It has a referenced prose update so there shouldn't be an issue --Daviessimo (talk) 08:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Bump? –Howard the Duck 11:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Afganistan helicopter
Nobody knows about that? .. I think it's important. --TouLouse (talk) 17:09, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh I know about it, it was just that the words "Afghanistan" and "helicopter" no longer excite me when mixed with a few deaths... is it particularly unusual? --candlewicke 17:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
16 civilians killed in the latest in a string of deadly aircraft crashes in the country (per cite) Should we create an article ? TouLouse (talk) 17:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

2009 Karachi floods
I have begun an article. --candlewicke 15:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Suggested wording: At least 26 people are killed and at least 60 150 people are injured as a result of heavy rains in Karachi, Pakistan. --candlewicke 15:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Can you expand it just a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
OK, I will check again. The information is somewhat limited and being repeated by the same sources; even the BBC article is very short. --candlewicke 16:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Make that 150 injured but I have to add this to the article. --candlewicke 16:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
I have added more. --candlewicke 16:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Is this big? --candlewicke 23:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I mean what makes it different from all the other boxing weight classes? --candlewicke 23:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Or the other three world championships for the same weight, for that matter. Algebraist 23:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111MickMacNee (talk) 00:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry? Didn't quite catch that... --candlewicke 00:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Nah, only #13 in the world. We had a tough time when the #1 made it to ITN so this won't cut it. He should fight at Las Vegas first... –Howard the Duck 07:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

OpposeNot significant ITN.yousaf465'

LRO Moon Images

Ok this item is definitely not ur normal ITN but i find it very interesting. First time ever pictures were taken of Lunar landing sites on moon. BBC. This will interest all the people who believe in Apollo Moon landing hoax conspiracy theories and well be of general interest to those who know otherwise. Ashishg55 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Cough, cough–funny how it was a US spacecraft which "captured" these images. ;) --candlewicke 02:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
"The release of the images coincides with the 40th anniversary of the first manned mission to land on the Moon." Hmmm... something fishy about all this... it's almost like they got released on purpose... --candlewicke 02:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
lol i know. the hoax ppl will say they were doctored. but come on its NASA... i dont wanna lose my trust in everything out there. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh you're probably right but if I found it that easy to question their validity I doubt the real hardcore conspiracy theorists will bat an eyelid at them... --candlewicke 02:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
nonetheless ppl will be interested in looking at these images as a proof that landings did take place. theorists can deny anything... its just called being in denial after these pics Ashishg55 (talk) 04:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
i think its good "encyclopedic" news ;) Ashish-g55 (talk) 04:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Makes a change from all the deaths... --candlewicke 15:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
ok so the lunar landing 40th anniversary is tomorrow. it would make great news item. i am not sure how much is being covered by OTD. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose - 40th anniversary of the biggest fake in the world history - moon landing - not for ITN --TouLouse (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
See? :D Not everyone is convinced by the new evidence... oh well... back to death and misery... --candlewicke 16:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
An intention that has been stated publicly several times as a mission of LRO. Still, this does not rise to the level of notability. And some conspiracy theorists will never be convinced no matter how much evidence is laid before them, despite the utter lack of concrete evidence to prove a conspiracy. See Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, episode "Conspiracy Theories". --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 19:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Missing US soldier appears on video

What about this? Do we have an article on him yet? Offliner (talk) 08:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a video? I don't think so... Isn't he still alive? Last time I nominated a slain captive and oppositions were overwhelming. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
This one isn't even dead yet... he might even get out alive... --candlewicke 15:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

July 18

ITN candidates for July 18

New Gabonese PM

Paul Biyoghé Mba is appointed Prime Minister of Gabon after Jean Eyeghe Ndong launches his presidential campaign. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Support when ready. --candlewicke 22:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Should be fine now (I think). --candlewicke 03:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. But I assume he actually became PM, not only appointed. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, sworn in Saturday. --candlewicke 03:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of Maria del Carmen Bousada de Lara

Since we're on the subject... world's oldest man/oldest mother? Not much difference really (if it's not too late). She was from Spain and this has been reported in the UK, US, Canada, Ireland, India. There has been continuing coverage and comment on ABC, in The Times, Calgary Herald and several others. Other countries and languages such as this, this and this mention her name this week as well. Seems to have as much coverage (if not more) as the Russian and some more than the American so I thought she deserved a nomination. --candlewicke 18:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose as stated below, we aren't Guiness Book of World Records. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of Henry Allingham

It's important or not? TouLouse (talk) 13:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

He has already been on ITN, in last April. Do we really need to feature him twice? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes - TouLouse (talk) 14:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Why? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Because he has died. - TouLouse (talk) 14:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
And because he was the world's (verifiably) oldest man! PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I know he has died, but as I said, he has already been on ITN, in last April. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Perhap Walter Breuning should be featured then, as he is now the world's oldest living man? PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that's it! Can you update the article please? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:19, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm trying, but it is proving difficult. Most of the news articles just have a single sentence mentioning Breuning. I'll keep looking, though. SpencerT♦Nominate! 16:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Wait, we passed over the Japanese guy, but we're posting this because... –Howard the Duck 17:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
When was Allingham listed last time? He wasn't listed when he took over the title in June? --Daviessimo (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. The world's oldest person is usually quite old, so is dying all the time. There is nothing extraordinary about it, so it is not ITN-worthy. We are not the Guinness Book of Records :). Thue | talk 17:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, I'm not sure what the Japanese guy did but Allingham seems to be the "last surviving Battle of Jutland veteran and last surviving founder member of the Royal Air Force" plus someone from the WWI era doesn't die in public every day. That seems exceptional enough for me. The BBC says he also has family in the US and Canada and that they're all going to be at the funeral. Also, "in recent years, he started making public appearances to make sure new generations did not forget the toll of war and went on to tell his life story in a book which was published last year". So beneath the news there is clearly some encyclopedic and historic merit. And he was not listed in June; despite my best efforts nobody even bothered to oppose. Perhaps it is possible to mention Allingham alongside the new old guy as a compromise. --candlewicke 19:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Still oppose. I just don't feel that "last person alive who did X dies" is ITN news. So now you have 2 half stories: 1) oldest man dies 2) ww1 veteran dies. In this case I don't think 2 half stories sums up to one ITN-worthy story; IMO ITN math doesn't work that way :). Thue | talk 20:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
'Oppose Looking at Oldest people and the accompanying pages, they gain the title and die a few months later. We could have three or four of these up per year! Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Nevertheless this isnt just any old guy, last surviving soldier of the great war and last founding member of the royal air force. certainly did a lot more valuable things for the world than michael jackson ever did, yet we gave him a mention. so i support --Thanks, Hadseys 23:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Sigh, nevermind, there are too many oppositions, and they make valid arguments. --BorgQueen (talk) 00:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Mauritania elections

These elections were originally scheduled for 6 June but have been postponed for today. The opposition had boycotted them but will now contest the election. They will be the first since a military coup in 2008 and coup-leader, Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz, is a leading contender. Article at Mauritanian presidential election, 2009 - Dumelow (talk) 09:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I've added section headers, and a whole new section on the election day. I'm going to be on holiday this upcoming week, so all the article needs right now is the results table. (I will likely not be able to update that, as I will have no computer access). SpencerT♦Nominate! 16:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of Natalia Estemirova

Actually (in my opinion) this might be a better candidate. "In 2007 she was awarded the inaugural Anna Politkovskaya Prize, and had also received awards from the Swedish and European parliaments" "Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has paid tribute to human rights activist Natalia Estemirova, whose murder has caused international concern." Obama has paid tribute to Cronkite but the Kremlin has to Estemirova... coverage from Sydney to San Francisco over the past few days... and she wasn't old either, i.e. wasn't expected to drop dead at any moment... --candlewicke 02:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Support if there is an article. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. Thue | talk 17:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I think the article has been sufficiently updated—there's even a "response" section to go with "assassination". --candlewicke 22:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
The body of Natalia Estemirova is located in Ingushetia after her abduction in Chechnya. --candlewicke 22:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Support Estemirova is the latest in a string of anti-Kremlin murders. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
If there's no objections, I am going to post it soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of Leszek Kołakowski

What about this guy? Is he another "possible WP:IAR death candidate"? --candlewicke 02:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Article too short at this point. SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose The article is too short and I don't know if anyone knows who he is anymore. When most people think of the great anti-Communist Pole, Wałęsa comes to mind. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
How do you calculate that though? I am sure there are some minds into which Wałęsa wouldn't even enter. If a person is opposed because people mightn't know who they are–well, there would be several scientists, philosophers, poets, etc. who may have achieved but whose names may not be instantly recognisable to many people. --candlewicke 22:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of Walter Cronkite

Possible WP:IAR death candidate. He appeared in people's living rooms every weeknight for 20 years. He was called "the most trusted man in America," and his commentary on the Vietnam War may have been responsible for shaking public optimism on the U.S. role in the conflict. It's his reporting which is always used when they show "as it happened" footage of the JFK assassination or other historic events of the period. His death will be the lead story across North America (except Quebec). -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose, unless you point out something international (I see a lot of US stuff) about this guy he means the same to me as the Indian singer who also died for the sake of consistency. I mean, he's even an old man–she was an old woman. --candlewicke 00:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment: The first paragraph (if it all true) of Trevor McDonald screams more internationalness and firsts/significance, etc. to me than Cronkite and yet I doubt he would be posted either... --candlewicke 00:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, butting in again (I just noticed) but is there a reason why Quebec has no interest in him? --candlewicke 01:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Cronkite seems, IMO, to be much more notable than the Indian singer or McDonald. He has a school named after him (Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication). From CBS Evening News: "NBC's team of Chet Huntley and David Brinkley had the most-watched network news program at the time, but under Cronkite, the show began what would eventually become an eighteen-year period of dominating the nightly news ratings.[4] In the process, Walter Cronkite became an American icon, judged "the most trusted man in America" in a Gallup Poll from that era, a status that had first been fostered by his coverage of the JFK Assassination." I'm leaning towards support, IF the deaths section is updated. And if the article undergoes a little more general cleanup. Just a little. SpencerT♦Nominate! 01:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
With all due respect to Walter Cronkite, living in Australia, I did not know this presenter at all. He was obviously a television icon across the USA, but I still do believe that it should be covered as a story for ITN due to his great work for the television media industry. — JamesR ≈talk≈ 01:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that's what I meant too. I was thinking of the problems that would be presented when each country's decades long media or broadcasting icon dies and somebody nominates. That's why I mentioned McDonald or, for another example, how about Gay Byrne as that is one I would be curious about (his achievements have been documented even in the UK)? Will each case such as this go unopposed? --candlewicke 01:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Support if there is an article. Maybe so American because he was of the TV age, not so much the Internet age. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
What exactly is an "WP:IAR death candidate"? --candlewicke 02:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. He died of (more or less) natural causes after a long life. Nothing much unexpected. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:51, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
If we are going to WP:IAR, I'd like to nominate my next door neighbour who broke the club record by scoring 11 under last sunday :). Back on topic, I think we need to be realistic with what constitutes a notable death. IMHO, there should be only three types of person listed:
  • globally famous and widely known for what they do (e.g. Michael Jackson; David Beckam; Tiger Woods; etc)
  • globally famous for what they have done or achieved/invented (e.g. Bill Gates; Tim Berners-Lee; Neil Armstrong etc)
  • former heads of state (e.g: Margaret Thatcher; Nelson Mandela etc)
None of today's candidates meet any of these criteria, although there is an argument that Leszek Kołakowski is globally known in his field (political science) for his achievements --Daviessimo (talk) 08:46, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Cronkite is listed at WP:LILP. SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Like what the hell is Dennis Rodman doing that list anyway?! –Howard the Duck 14:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
In addition, where is this natural deaths thing coming from? Wikipedia:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page#Deaths mentions nothing about this. SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
The old standard is that the death MUST be unexpected.
With that said, American (and other countries') TV news personalities aren't that well known elsewhere. I'd argue differently for actors and actresses but this one's too narrow. –Howard the Duck 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
What is the "old standard"? Howard Kurtz for the Washington Post wrote, "Cronkite's passing, in the end, is the passing of an era, an era of black-and-white television, of mass audiences, of a slower time when the country waited for the headlines at 6:30 in the evening. No anchor -- no journalist -- will ever wield that authority again." -SusanLesch (talk) 16:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Old standard here. Algebraist 16:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Very good. Thank you, Algebraist. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Heck, if this were "I get to collect more countries" contest, I'd still lose, but maybe I'll place in the top 5 or somewhere within that range: Turkey, Singapore, Venezuela, Ireland, Morocco, Australia. All 6 populated continents in there. –Howard the Duck 17:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Can I just point out that WP has a deaths page already, so just because its reported across the world doesn't necessarily mean it should go up (I expect Allingham will have been reported across the world). The simple fact is that, although he may have been highly regarded in the US, internationally he was not held in the same regard as say, Michael Jackson. --Daviessimo (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I probably know that, but I was balancing this with an Irish TV newscaster being covered by a British news outlet (think of it as the Super Bowl being covered in Canada) and the like comments here and on other discussions above. –Howard the Duck 17:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Daviessimo, Cronkite with Edward R. Murrow was, according to Bob Schieffer, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived. I'm sorry but Michael Jackson wasn't in his class. But I don't argue because Cronkite doesn't meet the old standard. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but I read that as "American journalist A, along with American journalist B, was, according to American journalist C, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived"? So will "Australian journalist A" also feature because, along with "Australian journalist B", they are, according to "Australian journalist C" the greatest ever? Will "Indian journalist A" also feature because, along with "Indian journalist B", they are, according to "Indian journalist C" the greatest ever? Will "Chinese journalist A" also feature because, along with "Chinese journalist B", they are, according to "Chinese journalist C" the greatest ever? And so on... I would argue that Michael Jackson (liked or loathed) provoked a much greater international reaction than any recent death I can think of. --candlewicke 19:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose God, there's so much death. I was leaning toward support on this based on the fact that very few people are known by everyone like Michael Jackson, and several people have been on ITN before with even less worldwide recognition than Cronkite. That being said, I stick to the precedent of putting up unexpected deaths. Cronkite was ninety-two... Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose he did nothing else besides dying! Nergaal (talk) 22:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

July 17

ITN candidates for July 17

European Iceland

Iceland formally submits an application in Sweden to join the European Union a day after it is supported by the parliament. [24] Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

It was nominated yesterday and has already been put up :) --Daviessimo (talk) 22:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
The parliamentary vote was put up. The blurb needs to be revised to reflect the actual application. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Not necessarily. I would say the vote was a more significant step, and this was an expected move after the vote. We don't have to revise the blurb for every single step it takes. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Wait, aren't we supposed to wait for a referendum for their admission or something like that? We had LOTS of waiting done for the element, so we should also apply the same thing here. –Howard the Duck 14:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
According to the article: "... a proposal by the Independence Party to hold a referendum on the membership application as well was defeated with 32 to 30 and one abstention..." --BorgQueen (talk) 14:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
So they will apply for membership, but they can't be a member unless they win a referendum, right? So why is this here?! –Howard the Duck 15:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
The application begins the ascension process with the EU: most likely SAAs and the completion of the acquis chapters. The reason we aren't (and shouldn't) wait is that "the entire process, from application for membership to membership has typically taken about a decade". Many expect Iceland to breeze through in front of Croatia (expected to join 2011) due to the former's membership in the EAA and Schengen aligning most of its laws with the EU already. However, this is still at least a two year wait without including the stumbling blocks with debt, whaling and fishing it will be sure to face. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh, the referendum is to be held after that and the opinions currently seem to be swaying toward a pass. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:03, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
So if we have to wait for a decade, then wait. We did that for the element, dunno why we should give this exemption. We only had mentions when other countries were formally accepted as members. (I think that's every New Year's or some other date.) –Howard the Duck 07:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
49 jailed in Sicily

"The government says the case is a landmark in the ongoing battle against organised crime in southern Italy." --candlewicke 21:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Egypt bus crash

At least 14 people, including 11 Serbian tourists, are killed and at least 10 tourists are injured in a bus collision with a lorry on a road near Port Safaga, Egypt. (BBC) -- TouLouse (talk) 18:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Support if you can find enough information to make a decent article. --candlewicke 20:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I would personally support, but everytime we list a bus crash it seems to immediately get slated at talk:Main Page --Daviessimo (talk) 21:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
We don't list them that often though and Serbia/Egypt?... --candlewicke 21:30, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I think it is more to do with the fact that car/bus/lorry crashes are so common across the world, whereas plane/train/boat accidents are much less frequent. If you look at List of road accidents 2000–2009, 14 dead is actually not that big for a road accident --Daviessimo (talk) 21:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of D. K. Pattammal

Perhaps someone from India may know if this is significant enough for ITN? --candlewicke 15:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I doubt it. She died of natural causes after a long life to begin with. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
To be honest, when someone dies at that age, I think they have to be globally famous to get on ITN --Daviessimo (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I do not know her and thus did not wish to comment on how globally famous she may or may not be. --candlewicke 17:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
The article should be in pretty decent condition, and the "more refs needed" tag at the top isn't helping that, say nothing about ITN notability, which, IMO, is rather shaky. I'd prefer a little more global notability. SpencerT♦Nominate! 20:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I did not know her either. i think she was only famous in south india 22:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

2009 Jakarta bombings

I know I'm talking to myself but here is just what we need. I have been waiting several minutes for an online source to become available and here it is. Need more for an article though and there doesn't appear to be any confirmed deaths but since there are two bombs scenes... --candlewicke 01:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't we wait until the article has more than one sentence? This is a developing story. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
It didn't exist at all when I nominated it so I haven't seen if it has one sentence... I presume the passing admin will have some common sense and wait until its ready at any rate? 4 dead, says BBC TV now using Reuters. So we have death and misery... --candlewicke 01:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Since these days only these events seem to be posted on ITN, why don't we rename the section from ITN to "Political events and random people dying?" This title would cover 95.3% of the news posted in the last month. Nergaal (talk) 01:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I suppose that is another oppose. Oh well. I'm trying. :) --candlewicke 02:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
6 dead now say Reuters. Apparently they're all "foreigners" as well... the body count is increasing... --candlewicke 02:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
So I guess that is a vote for renaming ITN to "let's see how random people have died lately". Nergaal (talk) 02:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Death is not new... it will pursue us all some day... --candlewicke 02:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
i came here to nominate the bombings. seems like its been taken care of. well full support here. this is not random ppl dying btw. these are coordinated attacks at 2 different places in jakarta. Expect this to be covered heavily and internationally. already front news on TorStar Ashishg55 (talk) 02:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
It definitely meets the interest criterion. The issue is whether it meets the criterion of being a good example of recently updated Wikipedia content. Currently, the article is only two sentences, so it needs to be flushed out a bit more before we post it on ITN, IMO. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:10, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
It is now being rapidly expanded by myself and some others. --candlewicke 04:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Three explosions in Jakarta kill at least 9 people and injure at least 50 others. --candlewicke 04:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Two bomb attacks, at two major international hotels, with international casualities. I don't think many people can suggest this isn't notable --Daviessimo (talk) 07:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Very belated, but thanks for the good work guys (and girls). I didn't have time to expand last night but things are looking good now. Joshdboz (talk) 16:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Endeavour/ISS docking

The shuttle docks with the station, marking the first time 13 people have been in orbit aboard the same facility. This also ties the record for the most people in space at once (the last time, they didn't meet up). As the shuttle's launch didn't get posted (see below), this would be a significant item. Radagast (talk) 23:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

July 16

ITN candidates for July 16

Accession of Iceland to the European Union

Does anyone else think this "all but unthinkable prospect until the global financial crisis wrecked the island's economy" is significant? --candlewicke 00:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

The Parliament voted to begin membership talks; there's still a ways to go before Iceland becomes an EU member. But I'm not opposed to including this so long as the blurb clearly indicates what's happening. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I was focusing on the fact that Iceland generally intended to remain out of the EU but now look what has happened. --candlewicke 01:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
The PM said: "This is probably the most historic vote in the history of our parliament, since the founding of the republic." (Independent) --candlewicke 01:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Suggestion: Iceland's Althing votes by a narrow majority to Iceland and the European Union|apply for membership of the European Union after five days of debate. --candlewicke 01:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
For the record, I didn't review the article or the topic thoroughly but I trust you two. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
<- Question - are we definitely using the Anglicised name for the parliament?  GARDEN  says no to drama 09:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Given that the Icelandic name has characters that would not be recognised or understood by English speakers, I don't think we can. Per WP:NAME I think the rule is to use the spelling most commonly used in English, which in this case will be Althing rather than Alþingi --Daviessimo (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
That being said, the BBC are using the alternative anglicised spelling of Althingi. Maybe this is a good compromise as it maintains the i at the end from the Icelandic spelling, but replaces the þ, with its Latin alphabet equivilant, th. --Daviessimo (talk) 09:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I say leave as is, as "Althing" is the title of the article, not the special text. (I don't know if this is for technical reasons, though). SpencerT♦Nominate! 20:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Madonna's stage collapse

After some thought and reading I will nominate this too since there is stress due to the lack of ITNs. I will argue that this is receiving international coverage outside France. So far we have one death, two serious injuries and other injuries as well. Those involved are from several countries, including UK, US, France and the Comoros. Perhaps someone else may see something more significant than all of this. There does not appear to be very much happening at the moment... --candlewicke 00:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why not. ITN need not be high-brow. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Candle: are you kidding? You are against putting the naming/official recognition of a chemical element and nominate instead one person dying in a work-related accident????? What is wrong with ITN lately? Nergaal (talk) 01:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Lately? I was trying to give the best variety of what is available; they will only be posted if others agree (at least I think that's how it works). I just thought the element hadn't been officially confirmed yet. I don't think Madonna is necessary anymore post-Jakarta but if anyone wants to pursue it... --candlewicke 02:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Zac Sunderland

Is he just a statistic or something meaningful? --candlewicke 00:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

The Zac Sunderland article needs some cleaning up. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Meaningful about what? That kids are given bigger and bigger toys to play with?
Sorry? And who is this? --candlewicke 02:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
the person who has gotten appalled about the focus of the postings lately, Nergaal (talk)
Well I wish they wouldn't hide... --candlewicke 02:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Copernicium (formally Unumbium) again...

This came up a couple of week ago, when a new element (then known as Ununbium) was officially added to the periodic table. I think the concensus back then was to wait until it was renamed before posting. However, even though this element has now been given a name, it will not be officially accepted by the IUPAC for another sixth months. Having missed the opportunity to list last time, is it worth missing this one and listing in sixth months time. By then it will probably be considered old scientific news. Thoughts? --Daviessimo (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Leaning towards support. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Looking at Talk:Ununbium, there seems to be some discussion about how official the name is and the article has been move-protected. I don't think we should talk about Copernicium on the main page until the article is actually there ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I would say wait as well. --candlewicke 17:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Having looked over the discussion there, I'm thinking it may be better to wait. When it is officially named, we can alter the blurb accordingly putting the emphasis on the naming, whilst still mentioning the discovery (something like the newly discovered element X is officially named Copernicium). At the end of the day, the discovery of a new elemant is not common so waiting is not going to hurt it. --Daviessimo (talk) 17:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Why not wait until they discover and name another 20 new elements? I guess it is more important to put on the main page that the new prime minister of [insert name of a tiny country here] which is chosen for ~4 years! But if an element gets discovered, officially recognized, named and then the name is fully recognized, let's wait 4 more years because the element will be discovered, recognized, named, and then accepted AGAIN in 4 more years. They won't hapen only once in the history of mankind. Isn't it? Nergaal (talk) 00:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I can't make sense of the last two sentences... --candlewicke 00:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Ya i lost track too. but i think that was a support. A support from me too since we said last time that we will put it up once it is named. now we have an official name. Ashishg55 (talk) 01:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
i mean we have a name. its interesting too because its one of the only few at end of periodic table that will have name other than ununun bs Ashishg55 (talk) 01:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
re my last two sentences: I guess sarcasm doesn't read well. Nergaal (talk) 01:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I think my confusion occurred with the use of "they" in one sentence followed by "isn't it" which seemed odd when read together. Oh well. --candlewicke 01:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
They=the events=discoveries/officialregognitions/namings, etc Nergaal (talk) 01:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

July 15

ITN candidates for July 15

China's foreign exchange reserves
The update merely consists of numbers. It has to have some prose to qualify for ITN. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
There is now a decent article with prose. I think this is a unique piece of news that won't likely be repeated anytime soon. (talk) 00:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Foreign exchange reserves of the People's Republic of China has only one citation. It needs a lot more than that.--BorgQueen (talk) 02:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Caspian Airlines Flight 7908
Oh, we have Caspian Airlines Flight 7908 already. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. I don't think there will be many objections.  Cargoking  talk  11:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, fears of possible tsunami in the area.  Cargoking  talk  12:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Support - a Tsunami has been confirmed by BOM Jason Rees (talk) 12:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
The article is too short yet. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I have slightly expanded it with an infobox. Where can I find a suitable map and how would a put it on Wikipedia?  Cargoking  talk  12:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
"a brief tsunami warning but no casualties or major damage {...} The Hawaii-based Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre said a low-level tsunami was generated near the epicentre, but later cancelled its warning, saying the waves did not pose a threat." Sounds like everyone got carried away amid media hype. --candlewicke 15:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Carried away... tsunami... I love it :P weburiedourdramainthegarden 15:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Agh, that was totally unintentional... :-/ but thank you, I'll take a bow... and a wave... --candlewicke 15:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose - not for ITN - no damage, injuries or deaths... -- TouLouse (talk) 19:21, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Launch of STS-127
Manned spaceflight launch so highly notable, a delay to the launch was covered a couple of days ago, and it also meets WP:ITN/R. Suggested text: "Space Shuttle Endeavour launches on mission STS-127 to the International Space Station." --GW 22:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Twice in quick succession? I don't know... --candlewicke 23:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Frankly, I think the launch is far more significant than a delay. --GW 23:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree and I wasn't here when the delay was posted so I don't know the story (it seems to have just been posted for no reason whatsoever from I've read below) but it has been said before that articles shouldn't be posted twice like this so I don't know how or why this would be... maybe someone else is going to come along now and explain something... --candlewicke 00:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Or maybe not... --candlewicke 01:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
No reason whatsoever? I think being struck by lightning for at least 11 times is quite significant. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, like I said already (unless I'm missing something), SriMesh seems to have said it was delayed due to lightening and then that got posted with no other comment. That's what I read below. --candlewicke 17:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
So you meant no stated reason. Your wording sounded like I had no reason to justify the posting. There were no one around here at that time and I had to make decisions alone, under the glaring red timer. Why would I want to talk to myself. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
But why panic because it is red? If someone else notices or complains that it is red, ask them to help. If nobody notices then what's the problem? I don't think Wikipedia will crash because ITN hasn't been updated for 24 or 36 hours, especially if it has been updated multiple times in 24-hour periods that week. Or am I the only one who doesn't get blinded or stressed or freaked out by this timer? --candlewicke 18:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Whatever the significance of the delay, I can't see why the successful launch cannot be listed, especially as the delay item has since scrolled off the page. Radagast (talk) 04:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I think we can allow an exception for this... And the article appears to have been updated properly. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Wait, actually the update regarding the launch is a bit short. Can anyone expand it further? --BorgQueen (talk) 04:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Is "Space Shuttle Endeavour launches on mission STS-127 to the International Space Station to deliver the last components of the Japanese Experiment Module" any better? This image could also be used if neccessary. --GW 08:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
?? I was talking about update, not the blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
?? OK more added to STS-127... including the 2 or 3 foam ejecta from the external fuel tanks which fell off 2 minutes into launch, damage is not expected to be as extensive as that which disintegrated Space Shuttle Columbia, however it is still under review, and will be examined again upon docking with the ISS. SriMesh | talk 15:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
It's been over 24 hrs since the launch; if this is going to be added, it should be soon - otherwise the item will be the shuttle's ISS docking by then... Radagast (talk) 23:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

July 14

ITN candidates for July 14

Romanian political corruption scandal

The Member of the European Parliament and Ministry of Youth and Sports of Romania, Monica Iacob Ridzi resign after a suspicion of corruption - creating a major impact of political life in this country since Romanian Revolution in 1989. [25] [26] [27] [28] --- TouLouse (talk) 19:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't quite get what you're trying to say there, but if you're implying Ridzi's resignation is among the more important political events in Romania in the last 20 years ... well, no. (See the Mineriads, the 1996 election, the impeachment referendum, etc.) Romanian ministers have resigned on a relatively routine basis, for much greater acts of corruption. Plus, she holds a rather unimportant portfolio (the Youth Ministry). Yes, it's big news in Romania, but not really fit for ITN. - Biruitorul Talk 23:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

France Violence

Might be an idea to keep an eye on this. Probably not that big now but as it is Bastille Day today it may kick off again tonight. After all, we have to remember what happened in 2005? --Daviessimo (talk) 12:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Support - I want to start an article. TouLouse (talk) 13:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Article in constrction - everyone are welcome to contribute and expand this --July 2009 French riots. --TouLouse (talk) 13:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Jerzy Buzek
Foiled again! I was nominating the same article, but didn't get in fast enough. :) Anyway, I'll help to update it. Otumba (talk) 11:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I would like to put forward my idea for an entry on Buzek:

Jerzy Buzek (pictured), once the Prime Minister of Poland, is elected the 28th President of the European Parliament, becoming the first person from the former Eastern Bloc to gain the position. Otumba (talk) 11:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

"once the Prime Minister"? Sounds very odd to me. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Please feel free to change. I planned originally to say "a former Prime Minister", but I couldn't think of anything better to replace the phrase "former Eastern Bloc", and I didn't want to repeat the word within such a short amount of text. Otumba (talk) 11:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Almost there. Five lines of extra text is about right, isn't it? Otumba (talk) 11:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated article, does it look right? And thanks for the new pic, looks much better. Otumba (talk) 11:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks ok, I don't think a lot can be written about his election at this stage. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Otumba (talk) 12:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I know this isn't a learning area, but may I ask if I went about this nomination completely the right way? I ask because this is my first ITN case, and as such I am not completely confident as yet. Otumba (talk) 12:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I think so... Don't worry, there are not many people around here anyway, no one is going to flame you over some small mistake. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Cheers. :) Otumba (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

July 13

ITN candidates for July 13

Fiasco regarding the arrest of Stern Hu

Australian government attempts to secure the release of Australian businessman Stern Hu arrested in Shanghai, China on July 5th under suspected bribery and espionage charges. [29] [30] [31] -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 05:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

We normally wait until the person gets convicted... If and when that happens, support. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
It is said that his trial could last for years before a verdict is made. The news is about his arrest and its impact on Sino-Australian relations as well as the iron ore industry. --User:000ace000 (talk) 11:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
There is no need to complain, since this item has been nominated for DYK instead. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Taliban resume fighting in Afghanistan

A explosion in Kabul kills an Afghani police chief and injures four others. The Taliban are the suspected culprits of the attack, and authorities fear that the insurgency may be re-initiating their attacks.

Wow, one death and four injuries? --candlewicke 16:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking more because it was an attack on the American "model village" more than the death toll. It's the first attack in that region for a while, but I see what you mean Candlewicke. MacMedtalkstalk 18:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Henry Okah is released

Henry Okah, a Nigerian guerrilla leader of the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta, is released from detainment after accepting an amnesty offered by the Nigerian government. [32] --BorgQueen (talk) 18:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The article has been properly updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon, believing no one is going to object. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Pakistan bombing
  • A bomb killed 16 in Pakistan (including many children) [33] -- TouLouse (talk) 10:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. Too common there and the fatality is not particularly unusual at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
And each child is still only one person. --candlewicke 16:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Patras bulldozer raid
Oppose - no notable. TouLouse (talk) 10:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Support with an update. MacMedtalkstalk 21:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Intergovernmental agreement on the Nabucco pipeline

Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria sign an intergovernmental agreement on the construction of the Nabucco natural gas pipeline.

Scheduled to be signed on 13 July in Ankara between the governments of Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria. If signed, it will be a major step for implementing this project, which has been seen as the main alternative to the Russian gas supplies for Europe. Beagel (talk) 15:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Support Hope they'll be no more Gazprom crises after the EU gets all these alternative pipelines set down. Therequiembellishere (talk) 04:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Agreement was signed and the article is updated.
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Peru longer than usual winter

The 2009 winter in southern Peru began in March rather than June this year resulting in over 250 children's deaths, and a state of emergency in 21 states. The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) has reported over 74,500 deadly respiratory infections. BBC News Reuters SriMesh | talk 05:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Support - really important info but need to expand. -- TouLouse (talk) 07:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Supprt too, but it is best if you could expand it a little further. And I've removed the irrelevant 2007 info from the section. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
OK expanded SriMesh | talk 22:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Blurb: "In Peru, a state of emergency is declared in 21 states after more than 250 children died in the 2009 winter season. Sounds ok? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

July 12

ITN candidates for July 12

H1N1 Vaccine testing issues in Britain

Added. (If I'm going about this wrong, let me know or fix it and I'll see the change...I have intermittent knowledge of Wikipedia, mostly because I don't have time and no one has written "Wikipedia editing for Dummies" (or, at least not that I know of).Kavri (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

H1N1 precautions for up-coming Hajj

Added. (as above, don't flame me if I'm not doing this right, just let me know)Kavri (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Indian Police ambush

What about this? Reports are suggesting between 23 (as BBC state) and 35 killed, so it's quite big. Not sure if it would warrant its own article, but an update could be made to Naxalite-Maoist insurgency, which I think is the relevant article. Thoughts? --Daviessimo (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Leaning towards support. And I agree an update to the article would be more appropriate. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I've made an update to Naxalite-Maoist insurgency. If it is put up I think it would be best to go with "at least 23 deaths", even though some sources say up 33 were killed --Daviessimo (talk) 21:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Blurb, please? --BorgQueen (talk) 21:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Maybe... "At least 23 Police officers are killed in an ambush attack by Maoist rebels, in the Indian state of Chhattisgarh" --Daviessimo (talk) 22:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting. SpencerT♦Nominate! 01:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Tokyo prefectural election, 2009

Is Tokyo prefectural election, 2009 eligible for ITN? Sorry I am not too familiar with election stuff. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

You could make a case for it, as Tokyo is one of the 'big 4' global cities along with New York, London and Paris. Maybe we could have the mayoral or equivilant elections for these cities treated as regulars under political elections. At the end of the day they happen once every, what, four years or so? --Daviessimo (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I think this has been discussed-local elections are generally opposed. I lean toward oppose on placing local/state elections up, unless there is violence/etc. that makes the election notable. SpencerT♦Nominate! 21:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Metro bridge collapse

Needs article.

Only six fatalities, and no international involvement. I don't think it is bad enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
There were three more for 2009 Washington Metro train collision. It got ITN status.  Cargoking  talk  10:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
A) And if we allow this, someone will come up with some accident with only three deaths, saying "it got ITN status with three more". B) I recall that the number of deaths wasn't the only factor in the Washington Metro discussion. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Fair point. It is probably unlikely that someone will create the article.  Cargoking  talk  11:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Totally oppose, it's not significant and there is no reason to create an article for this, just could be mentioned is Delhi Metro article. TouLouse (talk) 12:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Deaths in India are extremely common whether it is accidental or not and don't get much attention.I think that the botched alcohol operation which recently killed over 130 people is more significant. Nirvana888 (talk) 16:14, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

You mean 43 people died this month? You should mention that in your proposed blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
But then, July hasn't passed yet, therefore it is best if we wait until the end of the month and give the total fatalities. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
No, I think it's for just today. The Reuters article says 40 fighters from al Shabaab group and 3 soldiers were killed from Sunday's fighting.  Cargoking  talk  10:52, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
So the article hasn't been updated yet. Are you going to do it yourself? I think 43 deaths is significant enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes. I will update it now. Updated.  Cargoking  talk  11:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Just two sentences?? Please be serious. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I have sufficiently updated 2009_timeline_of_the_War_in_Somalia#July_12.2C_2009 now. SpencerT♦Nominate! 02:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


An eye on this [34], is too short for now but could be a real disaster in Peru. TouLouse (talk) 08:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Tack this on to Peru's problems.

Ahh! Nothing's happening! And the template's so red! My eyes! My eyeeeeeesssss!!!! BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 01:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed that people here on ITN tend not to work much on Saturday and Sunday. And worse, two of our regular contributors, Candlewicke and Daviessimo, appear to be offline... --BorgQueen (talk) 07:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

STS-127 assembly mission

The thrice post-poned Space Shuttle Endeavour will try again try lift off on Sunday evening seven astronauts will travel to the International Space Station on board the STS-127 assembly mission which will deliver the last two elements of Japan's Kibo Module along with the Spacelab Pallet-Deployable 2, and an Integrated Cargo Carrier-Vertical Light Deployable. AP NASA but maybe wait until after 7:13 pm EDT. ;-) SriMesh | talk 19:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

NOPE no launch today.... Well maybe four times is a charm - twice due to fuel leaks, and now twice due to weather inclemency. The Endeavour is again delayed due to heavy clouds this time re-scheduled for 6.51pm EDT Monday. Oh my goodness. Reuters via Herald Sun SriMesh | talk 00:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

July 11

ITN candidates for July 11

New Peruvian prime minister

Javier Velásquez is appointed the new Prime Minister of Peru during the continuing internal unrest.

I've put a small update on his page, I'll try to find more for him and Yehude Simon sometime soon. This is a direct result of the 2009 Peruvian political crisis. Therequiembellishere (talk) 23:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Just noticed the red timer, so I think this should be put up ASAP. (Plus it's an ITN/R subject, too). Therequiembellishere (talk) 00:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Support ITN/R Physchim62 (talk) 01:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
The article is too short yet. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Added two sentences which is about all I found. Commons had two photos though and this one looks usable. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
The article says: "He is to be sworn-in at 8:00pm on 12 July 2009." I suppose it is local time? We have to wait until he is sworn-in. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Article updated as it is 8:00pm in Lima. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Woops I see removed for copyvio. Sorry those photos didn't work out! -21:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Anniversary Of the Srebrenica massacre with mass funeral

[35] The remains of 534 identified victims were buried today. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Any updates to associated articles? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:21, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Not yet. The Srebrenica massacre article has to be updated... --BorgQueen (talk) 03:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

New words added to the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary

More than 100 new words have been added to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, including carbon footprint, waterboarding, and Arabic loanwords like haram and shawarma. [36] Would anyone support? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I dunno...they do it every year. SpencerT♦Nominate! 16:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
And they're not the only dictionary out there, either: the OED does this four times a year. Doesn't seem significant enough. Algebraist 18:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, the timer has turned red a while ago and I was just getting desperate. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Space Shuttle Endeavour

The post-poned Space Shuttle Endeavour will try again try lift off On Saturday evening, weather permitting, seven astronauts will travel to the International Space Station on board the STS-127 assembly mission which will deliver the last two elements of Japan's Kibo Module along with the Spacelab Pallet-Deployable 2, and an Integrated Cargo Carrier-Vertical Light Deployable. CBC SriMesh | talk 19:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Nope, due to eleven lightning strikes again delayed another 24 hours until Sunday possibly. NASA SriMesh | talk 17:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. Thanks, the lightning incident was a good chance to reset the timer. :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 10:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

July 10

ITN candidates for July 10

35th G8 summit

The summit has closed, and the article needs some updates (tense, etc). Can anyone help? --BorgQueen (talk) 07:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Suggested blurb: Chinese President Hu Jintao leaves the 35th G8 summit (G8 leaders pictured) abruptly to deal with riots in Ürümqi, and Iran makes a formal complaint to the Italian government regarding suppression of protesters during the summit. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 09:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't notice that it needed updated. D'oh. Will get to it... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 09:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok you almost gave me a heart attack. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
It seems User:Garden has gone offline. Anyone else? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Anyone? I know the article needs a lot of work done. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Henry Okah accepts amnesty
Updated a bit, but probably it is best if we wait until he is actually released. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Conviction in Halimi case

A Paris court convicts four men and a girl in the kidnapping, torture and murder of Ilan Halimi, sentencing the ringleader to life in prison.

  • Breaking news from France. Halimi was a Jewish man who was held captive for three weeks by a gang of African Muslims in a Paris suburb as part of an extortion attempt. He became a cause celebre in France and in the world Jewish community. It's probably too early to see how much attention this will get in the English-language press. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Interesting news... --BorgQueen (talk) 01:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I am being tempted to support, but if we put this on MP we'll have to feature Murder of Meredith Kercher as well. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

GM exits bankruptcy

Automaker General Motors Corp. emerges from bankruptcy protection after 40 days under court supervision.

  • We had them going in; should we have them coming out? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
No, I think featuring it once is enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:32, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

World's Oldest Dinosaur Burrows

It seems that dinosaurs are like buses... nothing comes for ages and then you have two at once! Anyhoo... What about this this. Its not as significant as the last one but a 107 million year old animal burrow is still a pretty remarkable find. Because it is not related to a particular dinosaur, I was maybe thinking that an update could go at burrow. Thoughts? --Daviessimo (talk) 17:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


5.7 MMS, eight aftershocks, 10,000 homes destroyed, 30,000 homes damaged, 30 serious injuries and 300+ other injuries. [37] Therequiembellishere (talk) 01:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Only one person died? I am not sure if it is significant enough... --BorgQueen (talk) 02:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Support per damage and number of injuries. TouLouse (talk) 08:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm on the fence with this one. When you get over 7-7.5 in scale, I think they are notable irrelevant of deaths because they are so infrequent (Maybe 5 a year that strike an inhabited land mass). A 5.7 quake is not that strong (there are probably ~400/500 a year that are between 5 and 6 in size) and thus it is normally a requirement to have a considerable number of deaths. That being said, the damages from this seem quite considerable and according to the article there are 30 serious injuries, which mean the death toll could rise. If I had to lean one way, I'd probably say very weak support, although it would be good to get other opinions --Daviessimo (talk) 11:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
if article can be expanded more then i will support. right now it looks like article will not grow any more. Ashishg55 (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Pamplona Bull Run

It's actually the first death by goring since 1995, somebody died of a fall in 2003, the last actual fatality. MickMacNee (talk) 12:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Personally, though it merits an addition of a sentence to the article, it merits no more than that. In addition, while interesting, it's not really notable enough for ITN. Thanks, SpencerT♦Nominate! 23:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

July 9

ITN candidates for July 9

Cyber attacks against South Korea and the United States

Does anyone think it is ITN-notable? It is still ongoing, at least in South Korea, and "the financial loss caused by the attacks is expected to snowball to an astronomical figure." [38] --BorgQueen (talk) 16:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Support. I guess two governments being targeted in such a way makes this a definite international affair. --candlewicke 16:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Would you create July 2009 cyber attacks against South Korea and the United States? Or something like that... --BorgQueen (talk) 16:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I've got some free time so I can get on that --Daviessimo (talk) 18:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I actually have very little free time at the minute anyway. :D --candlewicke 18:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started the article. Not sure if you want more. Just let us know --Daviessimo (talk) 20:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I think the article is ready... Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:19, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Anwar Ibrahim sodomy trial

Let's keep an eye on this. [39] If he is found guilty it's definitely an ITN material. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

July 8

ITN candidates for July 8

Al Franken

Discussion moved to Template_talk:In_the_news#Al Franken and ensuing discussion about systemic bias. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

New Salamander

a new Salamander has been discovered. Ashishg55 (talk) 18:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds significant. "The salamander is so distinct that it's been classified within its own genus, a taxonomic grouping that usually includes a host of related species. The creature breathes through its skin, and unusually for its kind, males and females have different colouration. Such a distinct amphibian has not been found in the US for half a century." --candlewicke 17:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you should drop a line at WP:AAR and see if you can get someone to do the necessary update. I think it's going to be like the dinosaurs in that it will need someone with more knowledge on the subject to do it --Daviessimo (talk) 09:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Done. Article is at Urspelerpes. --candlewicke 17:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Still a stub though. --candlewicke 17:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Added a couple more lines to it. Ashishg55 (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks but still a bit too short... --BorgQueen (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Someone added more I think. --candlewicke 21:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Good enough now, I suppose. Please suggest a blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Urspelerpes, a new species of lungless salamander, is discovered in the United States. --candlewicke 21:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
lol already quite far down the list. can we move it above the EU fine. since they happened on same day Ashishg55 (talk) 21:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
If you could provide a copyright-free picture of the salamander, yes. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
UGA has a picture for editors. i do not know exactly what the license or copyright on it is but i do believe its free for use. Ashishg55 (talk) 22:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Fine imposed by the EC

The European Commission fines GDF Suez and E.ON €553 million both over arrangements on the MEGAL pipeline.

It is the second largest fine ever imposed by the European Commission and the biggest in the energy sector.Beagel (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I think €553 million x2 is big enough for ITN. Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Btw, I don't think bolding three articles in one blurb is a good idea; it is rather distracting. Let's focus on MEGAL pipeline; Can you update the article a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Ye, I support too --Daviessimo (talk) 14:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Artifical sperm

We got a first man made sperm. not a good news for guys i guess Ashishg55 (talk) 13:24, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Normally I'd support, but I think there is an issue with whether this claim is actually true. The BBC article on it states that there is contention over whether they are fully developed sperm and thus actually usable --Daviessimo (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Ya i thought about that too but really i got no knowledge in the biological department. Unless someone can verify i think our best bet would be to take BBC's word on it. they featured the story so im assuming that atleast an artificial sperm was made. whether it is usable or not is i guess a different story. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I was going to nominate this, then saw there was some uncertainty so I think I will oppose. If it were posted I don't know how any objection could be made to claims like contact with extraterrestrial life or human cloning or anything of that nature if it was posted on the BBC site... or it could even be one of those where it is close to being achieved but has not actually been achieved yet. Someone is always claiming this type of thing to get in the headlines but it needs to be properly verified. --candlewicke 15:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. I think is totally disgusted...Sperm on ITN...Yeakh TouLouse (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I think you are confusing sperm with semen. They are not the same. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

G8 Summit

The 35th G8 summit is taking place from 8th-10th July in L'Aquila, Italy. I'm suprised this isn't listed as a recurring event actually. I'm not sure if it would be best to list this once it has finished though --Daviessimo (talk) 08:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure if we should feature such summits every single time, unless something new, "first" or unusual happens (such as protests, delay or cancellation), or some definite action is taken as a result. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The Chinese president left the summit due to the Urumqi riots. We could mention that. –Howard the Duck 09:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
That's a good point. Support. There would be two riot-related ITNs though the first one could be removed if it's too much. --candlewicke 15:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
What's with this "there should only be one type of news blurb" thing going on? These are completely random: last month we had a ton of cyclone candidates now the atmosphere is so heavenly. –Howard the Duck 16:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't mind, I just thought someone else might raise the point. --candlewicke 16:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
It's gone now anyway; there are only four ITNs. --candlewicke 00:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Hu's leaving of the G8 summit is unprecedented. Generally Chinese government officials want to leave these types of riots to "local authorities". This is clearly not the case this time, because the riots have now become extremely serious. Would be good to mention it. Colipon+(T) 00:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, with all the ITNs that are ready or being supported now the lot could be replaced... --candlewicke 01:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Significant because the G-2 won't be at the G-8, meaning nothing substantial will get done. Let's see what happens at the G-8 once the smoke clears. (talk) 02:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

New leaders
Jadranka Kosor
  1. Jadranka Kosor becomes the first female Prime Minister of Croatia.  
  2. Željko Komšić becomes the rotating Chairman of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina.  
  3. Frank Kabui becomes the new Governor General of the Solomon Islands.   Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
All three articles need substantial updates. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Two done and I have two sentences for the middle one from the one English source I could find. I had no luck trying to find a Bosnian translator so maybe someone else can extract a few more sentences from somewhere? --candlewicke 21:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted Jadranka Kosor and Frank Kabui. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

July 7

ITN candidates for July 7

Indonesia elections (bump-up from July 5)

I think Indonesian legislative election, 2009 has a thorough amount of updates now to go up...not sure about wording, though. SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

We can mention this along with the results of the first round of the presidential elections. –Howard the Duck 09:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Al Franken
Al Franken
The blurb should mention the filibuster and the 60-member supermajority rule that goes with it. –Howard the Duck 00:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Support per June 30 discussion. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Support per June 30 discussion, but the blurb above is incorrect. Here is what it should say:
  • Leaning towards support. Any objections? --BorgQueen (talk) 23:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Can its significance be explained please? --candlewicke 00:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
We went through all of that on June 30. The U.S. is a country whose election results were held up for 250 days for this (one of the closest elections in Senate history according to some). -SusanLesch (talk) 00:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
OK, I hope Talk:Main Page can take this alongside tomorrow's TFA... :D --candlewicke 00:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The Al Franken article needs updates. It does not mention majority or filibuster. --BorgQueen (talk) 00:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Done. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I hate to break the chain, but I object to this. He's one of 100 senators in the United States. If Sarah Palin's resignation was not shown, there is not way this should be. Very American-centric. Unless you are well versed in either SNL or his anti-Republican crusades, it's hardly relevant. (given though, that the recount campaign was painfully long. still, I don't believe this to be justified - plus tipping the balance of the senate is a very technical, parliamentary issue, can't imagine this being posted for any other country). Also brings out ITN's extreme obsession with parliamentary peculiarities - and this always goes unnoticed. A parliamentary election in Palau certainly has less influence on the world than a Gujarati uprising in India - but those never make it on here. Colipon+(T) 00:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
If you have an item about the Gujarati uprising in India you should nominate it. When this election was decided it was the number one story in the world according to Google News top stories. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. But two days ago the top story was Obama and Medvedev summit. Right now the top story is about Michael Jackson's children. One cannot simply insert every single top story on Google into the ITN. Colipon+(T) 01:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I would agree with that sentiment. It is more about the significance of the item, and particularly if it affects more than one country, than the top story on Google, one source and an American one at that. We could use the BBC in the same way and we might have several British stories running at once. Or what about the top stories from South Africa (currently Michael Jackson is there oddly enough yet no mention of this particularly important story)? --candlewicke 01:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Pardon me Candlewicke and Coliphon, but as an English-speaking citizen of the United States this matters, did matter and does--today before the story goes stale twice. I absolutely support other countries' news in ITN. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
OK sorry, English-speaking citizens of the United States have to be catered for. I will let others decide. --candlewicke 02:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I dont really care if this goes up or not. but the reason should not be because it matters to "english speaking US citizen". there are many other countries that speak english (and many more that understand). I still dont see a logical reasoning behind this except that its followed in US and its on google. if anyone can please comment on the international significance (or international interest besides US citizens) then that would be great. thanks. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Like, why should I care who wins the next Canadian election? So far, all the land on Earth is divided into countries, so almost everything that happens on this planet had to happen inside one of them. The elected officials of any country affect both its citizens and the citizens of all the other countries. Why vote? But this is a discussion for somewhere else. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
i really thought we put obama up when he won. or are canadian elections more like US senate elections...? Ashishg55 (talk) 03:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes I thought Obama was up, too. The U.S. has three branches of government. Without looking I don't know about Canada. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The U.S. has a presidential system, in which the president is elected directly (more or less) and separately from the elections for members of Congress. In Canada, only members of Parliament are directly elected, and the leader of the party or coalition that wins the most seats becomes the prime minister. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 06:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
i was being sarcastic... i know how canadian elections are done Ashishg55 (talk) 13:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Given that this had already been posted I'm not going to oppose, although, as I have stated when this was originally nominated, I don't think it is notable enough. However, I must once again comment on my concern (and it is a concern shared by others) of the way other users are judging the importance of items. This is an encylopaedia, not a news service - we have wikinews for that. Fundamental biases continue to creep up. Yes, this is the English Wikipedia, but English is the most widely spoken language in the world and an official language in 50 different countries (that's 1/4 of the countries in the world). I don't want to sound funny, but the biases and rule bending involve the same country that is criticised in almost every area of life for its inward looking and self righteous attitude. Wikipedia can never be entirely neutral but as users we should strive to avoid it where possible, however, with this, the MJ story and many other ITN nomiations people are using POV (i.e. this news story is important to me or I don't care/have never heard of that so its not important) as a judge --Daviessimo (talk) 07:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
This is not really news in the sense that MJ is news, it's like what encyclopedias list as "current events:" a national legislature invokes a rule not used most of the time due to a change in membership. I would've opposed the instance the filibuster was used, since it's only a bill, it hasn't become a law, and we'd never list bills at ITN; on the other hand, I'd support similar such events for other legislatures. –Howard the Duck 08:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
This is a tad Americocentric, and not really 'news' since it isn't a fundamental change the balance of power (since it's unlikely that all 60 will vote in the same way, and Maine senators Collins and Snowe often vote against their parties). - (talk) 12:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Daviessimo and just want to add that there is inherent bias when users nominate an item related to their own country/state/city. THis does not mean dont nominate since that is how others users find out about it. But u should also realize that it may be important to u but at same time mean nothing to rest of the world. So to keep wikipedia neutral please take out POV and think of item whether it matters to rest of the world or not. It does not need to be of great international importance but atleast ppl should be interested in the item. And google news is not the way to determine that... Obama swatting a fly generates more hits than news in smaller country. So we cannot use the number of hits in google as our guideline. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Like the Jackson funeral which is rotting below while the EU fines blurb got to be added earlier? –Howard the Duck 15:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose The only elections we include are general elections and head of state elections. Plus the blurb completely fails to explain the significance of the supermajority. Modest Genius talk 16:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
This was a part of the general election -- oddly enough, for the number of U.S.-election related items last year, we didn't mention the legislative election result so this is supposed to be the blurb. Yes the supermajority has to be elaborated further. –Howard the Duck 16:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I would just like to point out that if Wikipedia is governed by consensus, having this many people point out their opposition to putting the Al Franken story on ITN, it should rightfully be removed. This happened earlier with a lady named Ruth Something who became professor of poetry at Oxford, and not that many people cared. Please remove this. Colipon+(T) 00:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Just a note that I think you're exaggerating "this many people point out their opposition". I count three opposes:, yourself and Modest Genius. (Ashishg55 said s/he didn't care and Daviessimo said s/he wouldn't oppose.) -SusanLesch (talk) 05:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Bulgarian parliamentary election, 2009

Can anyone update Bulgarian parliamentary election, 2009 please? The results are available now. [40] --BorgQueen (talk) 12:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I've inserted a few paras :) TodorBozhinov 13:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Suggest a well-worded blurb please. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, a sentence or two about what majority vote is about would help since this is something new. --Tone 14:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Good idea, has been done :) As for a blurb, how about:
Good, just we should not have wording is expected. Can it be reworded? Although it is quite clear, it is a speculation until Borisov actually is asked to form the government. Until then, Centre-right party GERB wins the parliamentary election in Bulgaria? --Tone 14:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds good. If we have space for a few more words, we might emphasize the fact that it's a pretty big victory. That kind of margin was not expected by sociologists. TodorBozhinov 15:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I've removed led by Borisov since the article says he's not the formal leader of the party. We need some better wording to explain this or not mention him in the blurb. --Tone 15:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

East African Community
The new story is not about joining, it's about custom union. The two have been members of EAC since 2007, according to the article. I don't think custom agreement is ITN notable, however, the proposed currency union is. Let's wait... --Tone 13:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it was I who added that but upon further investigation I found it was just an extension of something they joined in 2007 so I didn't see a reason to nominate... :( --candlewicke 18:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Funeral of MJ
Possible, yes. In my opinion, it would be good to consider merging articles Death and Funeral of MJ because they go together. At least for now. --Tone 08:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The issue with this is that not long ago the state funeral of Omar Bongo was nominated to go up, but was pretty swiftly rejected because the death had already been listed. We put MJ's funeral up and its effectively hypocrisy. Another problem is that Jackson is already on the main page as the FA. I know that people will say that this is bigger but we do it for him and then we've got to do it for Thatcher and Mandela etc etc. For these reasons I'm leaning towards oppose --Daviessimo (talk) 12:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
In fact, I second that. And I still recommend a merge of the two article. --Tone 13:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I didn't see reports of Taiwanese grieving over Omar Bongo so... –Howard the Duck 13:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
MJ = Omar Bongo? People, MJ merits more attention...TouLouse (talk) 13:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I think the purpose of putting this item up would be to honour MJ. and to me it is best done via TFA that is why there is Thriller on main page. Funeral is always followed by a death so it is technically not ITN material no matter how important the person is. My opinion is to leave MJ to TFA today. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, but TFA lasts for a day. ITN entries last for at least a week in recent cases... –Howard the Duck 14:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I was about to support but then I thought of the Omar Bongo case. I would say oppose for now but if this is verified by several sources as the biggest and most watched event in history and the article is sufficiently updated to reflect the true international significance, i.e. multiple references and citations from non-US sources (as there are bound to be plenty of US sources and this is obviously happening there) with several dozen countries represented and a decent continental spread (sources from or mentioning countries in Asia, Africa and South America would be good if they're not already there) then perhaps I would support. It would appear that both these may be possible and if the article attracted that much interest I would see it as a good ITN possibility if others support that too or can make sense of what I've just said as well. --candlewicke 16:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Ordinarily, WP:CRYSTAL would dictate that we wait to see just how big the funeral was in terms of viewership in accordance with what Candlewicke is saying. However, because ITN has an aspect of immediacy to it, I think we really have to make a decision right away. Therefore, I think we have to base our decision on how the world's media is playing the story right now. Google News indicates that the British as well as American media is playing the memorial up as if it was JFK's funeral. It's the lead story in the Telegraph, Guardian and BBC. And Le Monde (France), Stern (Germany), ABC (Spain), The Age (Australia), etc., etc. That's good enough for me. Support -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
As per User:Mwalcoff. Here in Brazil, the memorial service was brodcasted in all the national television networks. That's good enough for me. Support -- Felipe Menegaz 23:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there anyone willing to speak for Africa or Asia since most continents are being covered there I guess... since it's a funeral it would really need to prove it was massive or all other funeral nominations would be difficult to argue against... I really don't see the need to rush - things seem to be a bit slow again at the moment... --candlewicke 00:11, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
It was also televised live on both major Filipino networks. That makes five continents we've covered. I don't think any planned event has received this much media attention since the first moon landing in 1969. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Here is what is hot in South Africa (having mentioned it above). As I type this Jackson has a big square on the front page with seven article links, one of which is titled "Mandela's message to Jackson memorial - full text". --candlewicke 01:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
well since TFA is now gone i will give this a support. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The funeral of Michael Jackson takes place in California, United States? --candlewicke 03:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm... could be a little jazzier. Maybe: Musicians and fans gather in Los Angeles for a memorial to Michael Jackson, which millions around the world watch on TV and at special gatherings. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Well (if it gets posted) that speaks for itself. Its impact on the world (whether people like or hate him but then ITNs don't necessarily always get posted because the person involved is liked - at least that's not how I judge them all) is probably my reason to support this one. I am relieved that several sites and the relevance of this to several countries (and not just Google hits) are the methods of determining the worth of this candidate, at least in my opinion. --candlewicke 15:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
What else needs to happen in order for this to go up? –Howard the Duck 11:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

July 6

ITN candidates for July 6

As I understand it, this is an important announcement by a big group of influential clerics, illustrating the split in the Iranian elite. There doesn't seem to be an article in Wikipedia yet. [41]
Issuing statements only is not enough for ITN, I think. We've covered the elections twice already. However, if there is some significant development, we can always consider an update. --Tone 09:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree with the "Issuing statements only is not enough for ITN" part. Statements can be very important. Like if the Republican National Convention issued a statement that the 2000 election was stolen by Bush, which would be a US analogy :). The clerics are supposed to be the power base and source of legitimacy for the Iranian government. Thue | talk 09:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't think we would put that example on ITN either... However, if this results in some changes, that's another thing. But first, there have to be some changes, not only statements. And we don't have an article anyway so there's no point in discussing, really... --Tone 11:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose per Tone - statements like this are just people's or group's opinions. As such, not only are they not notable, but I'm fairly certain they contradict Wikipedia's NPOV policy --Daviessimo (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
While I of course agree that it can't currently go on ITN because of the lacking article, it is not "just" a group's opinion. The opinion of strategically placed powerful groups (and how they choose to express them) is extremely important. The pen is mightier than the sword, so to say :). Thue | talk 20:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the group itself may be notable, but by putting this on ITN you are inherently implying that their opinion is more important than say that of the Iranian people as a whole, or the United Nations etc. We didn't put Ayatollah Kameini's opinions up when he claimed the election was legal, so if we put this up on the main page it suggests that Wikipedia is favouring this viewpoint over his. When all the viewpoints are covered in an equal manner, as it normally the case in an article that covers a topic such as as this, the balance of viewpoints removes POV. However, in this instance, I feel that as this statement only covers one side of the argument it is biased --Daviessimo (talk) 20:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Needs monitoring, some recent development. --Tone 09:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

July 5

ITN candidates for July 5

2009 Cotabato bombing

Article started on July 5, possible blurb: "A bombing outside a Catholic cathedral in Cotabato City, Mindanao, Phillipines kills five people." –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 05:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The article is ok, Support. Is it correct to say a bombing kills or is it better to use a bomb blast? --Tone 07:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Whilst 5 deaths is not particularly high for a terrorist attack, I'm guessing that the Phillipines is not a country that is in the middle of a major ethnic/civil/international war? --Daviessimo (talk) 12:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
It is facing two insurgencies of varying intensity. As for the attack itself, it was not the first bombing of a Catholic church in Mindanao, but it was the first in several years (source was working yesterday but isn't today). –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 15:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, this attack—unlike most bombings, I would assume—elicited a statement from Pope Benedict XVI (since a Catholic cathedral was targeted). –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 18:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. Not important. TouLouse (talk) 14:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The last time a "terrorist" attack occurred in the area was in 2006 where 8 were killed. Although there were incursions between the rebels and the military in the area lately, there were no civilian casualties since they fled.
If ITN is really desperate of having a new blurb, this can be added. If you guys want a Philippine-related blurb, some nasty storm will come up in the next few months if you guys are willing to wait that is the best opportunity. –Howard the Duck 14:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Based on the above I will support. I don't know why it should be posted because there is a need for something from the Philippines though, I don't see how any country is ever needed or wanted–it depends on the significance of the event and it being nominated. A first terrorist attack since 2006 is long enough and there are several dozen injuries as well as the deaths. --candlewicke 22:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I am leaning towards oppose. I don't think it is significant enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: Death toll in the 5 July bombing rose to six. Also, between two and four more bombs exploded in the southern Philippines yesterday and today, killing six. (BBC)(Philippine Daily Inquirer) –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 16:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
In this case i will support.TouLouse (talk) 19:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Revised possible blurb: "A bombing near a Catholic church in Jolo, Sulu, Phillipines kills six people two days after a blast outside a cathedral in Cotabato City, Mindanao."
Since Saturday, there have been five bombing attacks in the Philippines involving six individual blasts, four of which resulted in casualties and two of which resulted in fatalities. I thought about creating just one article about all of the bombings, but in the end decided against it because the Philippine military is treating the attacks as unrelated and suspects at least two different groups as being responsible. –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 21:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, with the more bombings this seems important now. I'd prefer this blurb:
Note that "nearby" is relative. Jolo and Cotobato are quite far from each other and are separated by sea. –Howard the Duck 16:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Rioting in Ürümqi

According to some reports, some pretty large-scale riots have begun in Ürümqi, with violence between Uyghurs and Han Chinese. Not a lot of information is available yet in English media (and what is seems to be pretty biased and uninformed: [42][43]) but as more information becomes available I might be able to make a small update to East Turkestan Independence Movement or Xinjiang#Continued tensions. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 18:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Support if there's an article. Three people died and twenty were injured. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I added a bit to East Turkestan independence movement; will work on adding more tonight. I'll also post a blurb in a little bit. By the way, can you show me the source for 20 people injured? I haven't noticed that (it's getting frustrating reading most of these articles, they tend to say the same thing—although some are more anti-Uyghur than others—there might be more info available tomorrow), and it would be nice to cite. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Al Jazeera said Xinhua said 20. Added to the article. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Here are possible blurbs, feel free to tweak:

Difficult to think of a good wording—while most of the news reports are saying it's the Uyghurs who are doing the majority of the rioting, I don't think it would be appropriate for the blurb to day something like "3 people killed when Uyghurs start rioting", it would sound too much like Wikipedia's participating in the blame game. Tried to keep things neutral above. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 00:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, crud...I didn't notice that before, the the East Turkestan independence movement has an {{articleissues}} tag; I'll either have to clean it up some or see about updating other relevant articles. Personally, I think a lot of the issues tagged are frivolous (the {{refimprove}} doesn't seem necessary as there are over 30 refs, and the {{neutrality}} tag has no accompanying discussion on the talk page) and many could probably be removed with little or no work. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 00:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Update Never mind, I've removed the tags as I believe urgent major cleanup is not actually needed; my rationale is at the article talk page. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 00:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The first one I think... it's simple, it states that there are riots without getting complicated... "three people" as well (assuming they are people) but I expect that will be included if/when it is posted. --candlewicke 01:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks; I added "people", as well as "and 20 injured". The main reason I mentioned Han and Uyghur in the 2nd was because I figured most of the world probably doesn't know where Urumqi is and what on earth they might be rioting about. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 01:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I would suggest–At least three people are killed and twenty injured during riots in Ürümqi, China. This allows a link to the place and also informs of the country–otherwise someone will turn up at WP:ERRORS asking why the country link was not included. In answer to your question (I think that was me who told you you could post it the last time), there appears to be no opposition and administrators have posted their own nominations in the past (particularly since there are days when there are one or none at all to do the posting anyway). So it is OK to post it since it seems to be adequately updated with an appropriate amount of cited prose. --candlewicke 02:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Please remember to reset the clock as well. --candlewicke 02:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks; I've added it. I didn't remove any because ITN is shorter than TFA right now on my screen, and I put it at the top because I wasn't sure of anywhere else to put it (I guess it's arguable; the riots began before the men's Wimbledon final did, but are still going on now, and most of the news covering them seems to have been published around the same time as most of the Wimbledon news). Let me know if I've messed anything up. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Bulgaria elections

Bulgaria holds parliamentary elections for the National Assembly. Article at Bulgarian parliamentary election, 2009 - Dumelow (talk) 07:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Source. --candlewicke 08:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Mexico elections

Mexico will seek to elect a new Chamber of Deputies (all 500 members). Article at Mexican legislative election, 2009 - Dumelow (talk) 08:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia elections

Another election today. Indonesia elects members to the People's Representative Council (560 seats) and the Regional Representative Council (132 seats). Article at Indonesian legislative election, 2009 - Dumelow (talk) 08:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


The Wimbledon Championship is due to conclude. Its on WP:ITNR so there shouldn't be any opposition --Daviessimo (talk) 06:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Well i hope RF makes the headline. 15 Grand Slams. Ashishg55 (talk) 23:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Based on the French Open line:

--candlewicke 02:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh no Andy's jinxed. LOL –Howard the Duck 11:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Although grammatically valid, I think the apostrophes are redundant, as singles is used adjectivally in tennis. Kevin McE (talk) 12:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I used the French Open wording for consistency. --candlewicke 18:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

July 4

ITN candidates for July 4

Albanian parliamentary election, 2009

Can anyone update Albanian parliamentary election, 2009? It appears that the results are available now. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Italy protests

Any chance about that, [44]? TouLouse (talk) 18:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

No injuries even reported? No mention of death whatsoever. Appears ordinary enough and nothing to suggest that anyone outside the immediate area joined in. --candlewicke 10:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Honduras suspension due

The Organization of American States suspends Honduras due to the recent political crisis. A prediction. ;) I believe such suspensions are regularly posted. --candlewicke 23:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. ITN Material.  Cargoking  talk  11:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Honduras leaders pull out of OAS. The country will be suspended in a vote today. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Honduras has been suspended. Can anyone update the Organization of American States article? (and rewrite the POV word? Sigh) --BorgQueen (talk) 05:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I have updated it but I don't understand what is wrong with the word I gave? Or am I missing something? --candlewicke 08:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I was talking about the word coup in the article, which is controversial, not your blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh thank goodness :D I removed that one earlier then. But why is the article title 2009 Honduran coup d'état? Surely someone should have sorted that out before now? --candlewicke 08:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Honduras has a really nice coat of arms... :D --candlewicke 08:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I think they are still in the middle of arguments... In any case, I am not going to use that word on MP. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
The fact that it hasn't changed suggests those in favour of it being called a coup are winning. I do agree that its better to avoid using the term on the main page though --Daviessimo (talk) 08:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Final test of the 2009 British and Irish Lions tour to South Africa
I'd argue this has more interest the Heineken Cup or the Super 14. –Howard the Duck 09:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I'd point out that even if this is true that would be no reason to remove those two, especially as you cannot really compare what effects those competitions have on countries like France, Australia or New Zealand... so I sense an attempt to be controversial here... how can it be argued that the sport is of interest to only some in a small corner of Europe when this is not much more than that at all? --candlewicke 20:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Well since we didn't have the Super 14 this year because the article wasn't up to scratch we can just let this replace the Super 14 and worry about the implications four years from now :-P BTW, I don't think HtD was suggesting they be removed, simply that the fact it has more interest is ample reason to put it Nil Einne (talk) 11:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
OK. Support. --candlewicke 14:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Is it over now? --candlewicke 21:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
No prose updates yet... –Howard the Duck 01:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I have added lots... --candlewicke 10:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Suggest a blurb, please. (I know next to nothing about sports...) --BorgQueen (talk) 10:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
In rugby union, South Africa win the 2009 Test series against the British and Irish Lions 2–1, with the Lions achieving their first Test victory since 2001. That should hopefully be OK. --candlewicke 10:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Rather misleading blurb. Firstly because the series was won when SA went 2-0 up on 27th June, and also because although it is true that the Lions had not won a test match (will that phrase be understood by non-Rugby fans?) since 2001, they only played 3 test matches between 2001 and 2009. Kevin McE (talk) 12:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I've tried of thinking of the proper wording for this since the Springboks already won the series in the 2nd match rendering the 3rd inconsequential. Perhaps inserting "three-match series" will be sufficient. Best of three series are quite popular even in other sports... –Howard the Duck 12:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

July 3

ITN candidates for July 3

Trans-Saharan gas pipeline

If constructed, this would be a very important pipeline to diversify Europe's gas supplies and intergovernmental agreement on its construction is an important milestone in the project development. However, I have also a feeling that probably this is not the last agreement concerning this project. Beagel (talk) 17:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Support. Anyone else? --BorgQueen (talk) 17:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, it's an important topic for many countries. Offliner (talk) 17:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, posting soon... --BorgQueen (talk) 17:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Dinosaur disoveries

I think this is pretty notable and a great encyclopaedic story. Thoughts? --Daviessimo (talk) 07:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, a new dinosaur species is definitely ITN-notable. You are welcome to create an article. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Three articles, to be exact. Hopefully this has been published somewhere so there is a material for articles available... --Tone 07:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
What I've done is leave a message of the Wikiproject:dinosaur talk page asking one of its members to make the update because I don't have enough knowledge on the subject. Even the BBC article is question appears to have a mistake with the naming of the dinosaurs. Anyway it seems like a big enough wikiproject so hopefully someone will get on it today.--Daviessimo (talk) 08:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok now we have Australovenator and Diamantinasaurus; we just need to expand these two and create the third one, Witonotitan. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
They are all too short yet. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Expanded. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Sarah Palin resignation

I believe this is a very important story, just now developing (see Fox News and CNN). We have the Republican Vice-Presidential nominee from 2008 resigning her governorship more than a year before her term is up. The speculation is that she's already jockeying for position for the 2012 election. — Dale Arnett (talk) 20:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

On one hand, it's just Alaska, pop. 686,293. On the other hand, it's Sarah Palin, who is a national figure, and this is a national story. I support. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it not a bit local though? --candlewicke 21:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Ordinarily, this would be local, but Sarah Palin is such a celebrity now, and this story clearly has presidential overtones to it. Note that Sarah Palin is now No. 2 on Wikipedia:Popular pages behind Michael Jackson. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
But what I mean is that she seems to be a bit of a local celebrity who even in her own country would have been unrecognisable a few years ago. Michael Jackson would have been recognised everywhere a few decades ago (or at least a lot more if you know what I mean). --candlewicke 21:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, but that was before she was John McCain's running mate and the butt of a million late-night jokes. Now she's one of the most-famous politicians in America. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Not the most famous though? Although I'm not sure how exactly to measure fame... so the reasoning behind the argument for posting this is that she featured in a lot of jokes after a 72 year-old fellow celebrity selected her as his understudy in an unsuccessful attempt to be their country's president? I just don't see how this matches any of the current ITNs - are there any other reasons? --candlewicke 22:16, 3 July 2009 (

The argument for posting is this is a (inter-)national story because Sarah Palin is probably the best-known active Republican politician in the U.S. (and world) right now who is constitutionally eligible to be president (Arnold Schwarzenegger is ineligible), everyone in America has an opinion about her, and all the speculation is that she's preparing for a presidential run in 2012. If it was an ordinary governor of Alaska, no one south of Juneau would care. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Just because she is well known doesn't mean this is important internationally. --PlasmaTwa2 07:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
If this resignation is for 'personal gain' (i.e. she's doing it so she can run in 2012) then I don't think it is big enough. If it was due to some form of political scandal that had far reaching implications for US politics in the current time period (such as was the case with the parliamentary expenses scandal at Westminster recently) it might have a shot --Daviessimo (talk) 22:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. Very localized. If it were the case in any other country, it would be long dead here. Besides, she is still governor. I might support on 26/July.  Cargoking  talk  10:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. This is not ITN material. --Tone 10:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't think resignation of state-level officials are that notable. Maybe if they're convicted in an impeachment trial, assassinated or beaten in a recall election. –Howard the Duck 01:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

July 2

ITN candidates for July 2

2009 Pakistan Army Mil Mi-17 crash

Pakistan army's heli crash.yousaf465'

Too short yet... --BorgQueen (talk) 16:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Working on...yousaf465'
Fatalities now more than 41.yousaf465'

Thanks. I will add more info as I get it.yousaf465'

A boat this time MV Demas Victory

Thirty Die As Boat Capsizes In Persian Gulf. Did nobody even nominate this or did I miss it? --candlewicke 19:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Can't nominate an entry without an article. --Golbez (talk) 19:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Since when? --candlewicke 19:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Since October 2002, or perhaps earlier. See the first line of WP:ITN and Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page#Updated content for current policy. Algebraist 19:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I wonder why this was never pointed out before or when Daviessimo nominated "Most Complete Earth Map" or Tone nominated Croatia or Iraq or other such times. When these incidents happen they are usually built up. I don't understand how it is always possible to have an article for a new event. --candlewicke 20:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Sometimes it's not possible to have an article for an event; fortunately that's irrelevant, as ITN is not a news page, but rather has newsworthy updates to articles. --Golbez (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
What do you mean, this was never pointed out? The entire discussion at #"Most Complete Earth Map" below was about whether a new article would be written or what existing article the material belonged in. Algebraist 21:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I think there are some crossed wires here. Candlewicke (as a regular contributor like myself) is not nominating this for inclusion on the main page without an update. He is, like I do, fishing for people's opinions on whether the story is notable before making an update. If there is support then an article can be created or another updated. If there is no support then Candlewicke doesn't waste time on it and can divert attention elsewhere --Daviessimo (talk) 21:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I am withdrawing the nomination as I think this is either being misunderstood or (even worse) there is a deliberate attempt to create a scene out of absolutely nothing or divert attention away from the issue at hand. It may be best not to nominate items in future if it leads to reactions such as this. --candlewicke 22:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Your lack of assumption of good faith confuses me; what purpose would "divert[ing] attention away from the issue at hand" serve? --Golbez (talk) 23:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
i think problem here is that people who do not visit ITN/C regularly should ask on how these nominations work rather than trying to prove otherwise... candlewicke just had a small "annoyance aftershock" to discussion above thats all he'll be ok in few hours. just to clarify it is always ok to nominate something without an article. It will not go up on ITN till artilce has been created or update has been made. Ashishg55 (talk) 23:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I would have said the same thing about good faith in relation to the claim that my response was "fortunately irrelevant" and that "ITN is not a news page, but rather has newsworthy updates to articles" had I not decided it was best to stop things before they got out of hand. The former appears highly inflammatory or at least disrespectful, the latter appears contradictory - not a newspage but newsworthy? What I mean is I thought it possible that there was some sort of cover-up or else an attempt at being disruptive to the ITN process... after reading this earlier I would think anything possible. Basically, there was an objection for whatever reason so I withdrew it. Other than that I confess I have absolutely no idea what is going on here right now and rather than cause any unnecessary disruption I tried to minimise it by not questioning these unusual statements. It appears I have failed. --candlewicke 00:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I never assumed bad faith; I assumed you had an incorrect view as to what ITN was, which has nothing to do with good faith. Correct, it's not a news page - we don't post any news that comes through the pipe. Only entries that result in the update of an article. Should there be no article then it can't go up; have you ever seen an entry on ITN without a bolded, changed link? Either way, your assumption of bad faith (curses, my nefarious plans to .. disrupt ITN? have failed again!) was worse than my snideness. :P Don't get all dramatic and say "well maybe I shouldn't nominate things anymore!" --Golbez (talk) 00:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Scrolling down, I see other nominations made without an existing article, often resulting in, well, someone making the article. But when I see a nomination without an article (And I did not see the others, having just gotten this far down the page, intrigued by the edit summary) I tend to reject outright, thinking the update should precede the nomination. My tone was gruff, and I apologize. However, candlewicke needs to assume good faith; this is not some strange vendetta against something. --Golbez (talk) 00:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I still don't understand what you mean. I am not assuming bad faith at all, I cannot recall doing so. I wasn't even being dramatic, I was trying to do the complete opposite and trying to work out what was going on as I have explained. I do not understand how you could think I would think an ITN could be posted without a bolded link as this seems very basic to me. I do not need the ins and outs of ITN explained to me. I do not even know why you have bent my words in the quote (I meant nominate in the way I did without an article, it is routine for me - and others too I thought - and it certainly did not use an exclamation mark). I am trying to be clear in my explanation of this confusion rather than attack even though reading some of the above still puzzles me. Gentle, non-attacking words appear to be failing me in my attempt to soothe the situation and I hope you do not perceive this as negative either. --candlewicke 00:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
" ... or there is a deliberate attempt to create a scene out of absolutely nothing or divert attention away from the issue at hand." positing that it's possible that people are deliberately attempting to quash the nomination of this story for some unsaid reason sounds pretty bad faith assuming to me. You may not need the ins and outs of ITN explained, but that's how it initially appeared: "I don't understand how it is always possible to have an article for a new event. " To me this read, "It's not always possible to have articles but we should still post it on ITN anyway", perhaps you meant "It's not always possible to have articles prior to the nomination, we'll get one before it gets posted". I apologize for my tone. I didn't know it was routine, not having been heavily involved in ITN lately. You and your nomination were not singled out. --Golbez (talk) 00:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't know how it appeared this way from the start when I simply made a nomination as usual. I wasn't assuming bad faith, I pointed to something that had actually happened and just wondered if it was happening again - please don't take it as an idea that you had hidden motives or that I was attacking you personally as that was most definitely not my intention - it appeared to me as though you misunderstood how ITN worked and "fortunately that's irrelevant" sounded as though I oughtn't to continue any further so I tried to withdraw it quietly. I thought of several possibilities but was just left puzzled in the end and really shouldn't even have suggested anything as it was misunderstood. As someone who regularly cleans up the nominations which others might forget about - Fredrik Reinfeldt, 2009 European floods for example - or botched ITN postings - like the Michael Jackson affair - I was dismayed that my own nominations should have been carried out incorrectly for so long... like I said I tried to make this as small as possible but it appears to have ballooned out of control and I wish this had not happened as it only led to further confusion but I am trying to explain how things appeared to me. I think it might be best to agree to disagree or agree to agree or disagree to agree or disagree to disagree depending on what this actually is. :P (breathless) --candlewicke 01:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I disagree that agreeing to disagree on the agreement is a disagreeable thing to agree on. ... Peace? :) --Golbez (talk) 04:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Article started at MV Demas Victory, as it is a notable current event. SriMesh | talk 04:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Now we're talking :-) Support. --Tone 07:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted already. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Right. Haven't spotted it since it is somewhere in the middle. --Tone 07:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
IAEA's new Director General

Japanese diplomat Yukiya Amano is elected as Director General for the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Significant organization and dramatic election (Amano was elected only in the sixth round). Beagel (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Support. Is it possible to include bio infobox in his article? --Tone 17:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. --candlewicke 17:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

North Korean Missile Tests - North Korea and weapons of mass destruction

North Korea has test-fired 4 missiles off their eastern coast, in defiance of the latest UN sanctions. MacMedtalkstalk 15:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

It is best if you take care of the merge issue first. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
  Done MacMedtalkstalk 16:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

LGBT movement in India

The article needs expansion, but I don't remember seeing a LGBT topic for a while, and how often does a country have such a large law change such as this? Especially in the largest democracy. (Description is fair game to change if needs-be :)) AllynJ (talk | contribs) 09:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Think just "homosexuality" would be better. A range of behviours have been unlawful in the past, not just "the sex act". That's my undertanding at least. The wording above is fine, but think "legalised" should be avoided, because it suggested that legislation has been passed. Also - is this only about male homosexuality - I haven't been able to work it out.--FormerIP (talk) 09:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hmm...all the articles I see all use the term "consensual gay sex". 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
In addition, it's also not repealed for minors, so it's really "gay sex between consenting adults". SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hm... this is just for the Delhi High Court not the Supreme Court of the ruling could technically be overturned by the Supreme Court? SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
if appealed... its technically possible. but this is big step given india's stance on anything related to homosexuality till now. Socially i still dont see this being accepted anywhere for a long time to come so i dont know if it really means anything Ashishg55 (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
A big step? I will support if this is correct. We really haven't had a proper ITN on this topic so far this July so hopefully this will go some way towards rectifying this... --candlewicke 15:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
So far this July? Well, it is just 2 July now... :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 15:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I know. Terrible isn't it? There'll be an unruly mob if we don't act soon... :D --candlewicke 16:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Although we must be heading towards (or even into) double figures for ITNs posted already this month... --candlewicke 16:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
nah even though it is a big step. its still not ITN material. very odd to mention on front page that gay ppl can have sex in india now. wth. like they already didnt. Ashishg55 (talk) 21:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
i will fully support when gay marriages get legalized in india Ashishg55 (talk) 21:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I highly doubt that will happen in India anytime soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
More appropriate and accurate -
The Delhi High Court legalizes homosexuality in India.
I support this item not only because it is landmark judgement for several gay Indians, it can also have far reaching consequences on other South Asian nations which still ban gay sex. --Nosedown (talk) 01:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I was quite convinced by "The ruling overturns a 148-year-old colonial law which describes a same-sex relationship as an "unnatural offence". Homosexual acts were punishable by a 10-year prison sentence. Gay rights activists all over the country welcomed the ruling and said it was "India's Stonewall"." (Just in case any members of the opposition missed all that) --candlewicke 02:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Just to meake sure, this isn't simply homosexuality, but a little more. Perhaps a wording like this would be better:
In India, the Delhi High Court legalizes gay sex (pictured) as well as other sexual acts previously considered "against the order of nature", including fellatio and anal sex (also pictured) between consenting adults.
Another note: " can also have far reaching consequences..." emphasis mine. SpencerT♦Nominate! 02:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
On a more serious note, I'm leaning towards oppose per Ashishg55, and I think that if we put it up and the Supreme Court of India reverses the decision, it would make us look pretty sawdy. SpencerT♦Nominate! 02:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
That's quite a lot of sex Spencer. I never knew you had it in you. :D --candlewicke 03:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
i like how there is a picture for sexual intercourse, anal sex and fellatio lol. i remember someone complaining about an art piece which showed breasts on main page saying its not kids friendly. i wonder what will happen if we put those 3 pics up. Ashishg55 (talk) 04:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm tending to lean towards oppose per Ashishg too. This ruling only de-criminalises gay sex and other unnatural sex acts. It still doesn't legally recognise homosexuality or homosexual marriage, which is the normal requirement for inclusion on ITN --Daviessimo (talk) 07:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Oppose on the fact that there is only one sentence covering the topic in the article and that it refers only to Delhi area, not the whole India. Regarding the marriages, seems they will soon be legalized in Slovenia. --Tone 07:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Please do not state opinions and mislead others if you don't know the details of the Indian law. The Indian Penal Code applies to the whole of India and not just Delhi. The sentence by the Delhi High Court is to amend the Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code following which gay sex would be legalized all over India. This ruling can only be overturned by the Supreme Court of India but given the circumstances in which the ruling was given, the probability of that is very low.
Also, I agree with Ashish's argument. This ruling does not to legalize homosexual marriages and therefore, perhaps it is not ITN worthy. --Nosedown (talk) 19:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
But I wonder how you could legalise the marriage without legalising the act? Surely this is the foundation and therefore more important or significant (or at least as significant)? --candlewicke 21:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

July 1

ITN candidates for July 1


Comment - This was discussed a few weeks ago, but was only confirmed today. yorkshiresky (talk) 22:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Definite oppose. Per previous discussion.  Cargoking  talk  06:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Transformers made triple of this last week. If this goes up, that should go up too, and probably Harry Potter the next few days... –Howard the Duck 05:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC) Oh yes I can see how they are remotely linked. First we have arguments that country populations should define the importance of news and now money. Please look at the articles on Relativism and Systemic bias. The only thing that this can be compared to are 1)other football transfers and 2)other sports transfers --Daviessimo (talk) 07:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

  • TerreStar-1, the largest commercial telecommunication satellite ever built, is successfully launched Hektor (talk) 18:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Currently no inline citations at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I have added some. --GW 18:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Support MacMedtalkstalk 16:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Ireland eradicates brucellosis (pictured). --candlewicke 16:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I think I prefer the wording at the current events portal. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Second thoughts. The simpler wording is better in this case. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Those curious can read more in the article. --candlewicke 16:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Why Republic? Since when have diseases respected political borders? But anyway it is called Ireland even in the article. --candlewicke 16:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Pipelinked per this request. By the way, why is the article named the Republic then? --BorgQueen (talk) 17:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, there's a bit of a complicated naming issue which I was trying to avoid and clearly someone else noticed very quickly before I could get the message through. It's because there are so many Irelands - the actual island and Northern Ireland itself as well so it gets called Republic of Ireland here. But it is referred to as Ireland as seen in the article... --candlewicke 17:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt assumes the rotating presidency over the European Union, and Croatian prime minister Ivo Sanader resigns. Could anyone update? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I've expanded Ivo Sanader a bit. I'll look around for more info soon. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 13:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, going to post soon. I really want to use his image too but its copyright status is uncertain. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
The Fredrik Reinfeldt article just needs some prose about his new office... Anyone? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Done. I found an image. --candlewicke 20:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

"Most Complete Earth Map"
Sounds promising. Would you create an article? --BorgQueen (talk) 07:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking that the update might go at Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer, which was the tool on the satellite that did all the work. There's already a mention on it --Daviessimo (talk) 07:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I've updated the article. Suggested blurb "The ASTER Global Digital Elevation Model, the most comprehensive Digital elevation model of the Earth's surface, is released" --Daviessimo (talk) 08:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Posting. --Tone 09:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yemenia Flight 626

Why was the Yemenia Flight 626 crash removed? Is it really less notable than the opening of an obscure international bureaucratic agency? They've actually confirmed the discovery of one survivor, a teenage girl. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 11:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The item has scrolled off, which is quite normal here on ITN. If you don't like it, please try to find a way to enlarge our Main Page. I am not sure if just one survivor makes that much difference anyway. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
A survivor is always notable, especially when everybody else perished. –Howard the Duck 11:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Then you could create a separate article on her, and we could feature it. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Or we can avoid AFD drama and just add it to the air crash article. –Howard the Duck 11:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, probably her article will survive AfD, if she is that notable. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't think so, some subjects are notable enough to be subsections of an article but don't pass the notability threshold for articles. Then again, I'd rather avoid AFD drama by having her as a subsection in the air crash article than as a standalone article. –Howard the Duck 11:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
So she is not notable enough for a stand alone article. I am not going to feature the same article twice so soon, just for a new subsection. Even for the Iranian civil unrest, separate articles had to be updated and featured. I don't see why this item should be given a special treatment over other articles. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I dunno, but doesn't ITN re-feature a blurb when a significant update happened, irrespective of the amount of time in between? –Howard the Duck 12:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to wait to hear what others think on this, and follow consensus. But please remember we didn't feature the swine flu item everytime it hit the news front pages. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
This could've been avoided if someone pointed out earlier that there was a survivor and it would've been bumped upward while it's live on the template. –Howard the Duck 12:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Another things is that we are currently featuring only five items because DYK features six items only now and we have to maintain a reasonable Main Page balance. The folks at DYK reduced the number of hooks in each update from eight to seven, and then again to six recently, because they are suffering from a lower number of submissions... --BorgQueen (talk) 12:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Needs attention. Fast developing story regarding the PM stepping down. Change of government is usually ITN material. --Tone 13:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I already nominated above. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)