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August 31

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August 30

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If I check the article, I see exactly one sentence of update. Expand this to include reactions from various sides and some comments from analysts and then it can go up. Remember that ITN is not a news service, there needs to be an update to the article. --Tone 19:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've expanded it into a paragraph (last one at #Political status), though it's not clear if all my sources are specifically about the announcement or come before it; they're all dated within the last 36 hours. Tone, could you have another look and I'll leave the decision to you.--chaser - t 20:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
That's better, I will update the existing blurb about the topic. Check the wording, please. --Tone 20:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

August 29

ITN Candidates for August 29

John McCain picks Sarah Palin as his running mate

Shouldn't we have a photo of Sarah Palin? We did have a photo of Senator Biden when he was selected. Kelly hi! 15:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose, this is somewhat US-centric isn't it. Palin is just one of several candidates for a US political office. Plus it isn't official until the republican convention. (talk) 16:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Request change the current text to this, "Republican presidential nominee John McCain selects Sarah Palin (pictured), the Republican Governor of Alaska, as his vice-presidential running mate in the 2008 U.S. presidential election."

Support this addition, but note that it was done without significant prior discussion. I was going to add the Obama acceptance early last night, and as an admin I could have done so, but instead I put it forward for discussion. I did put it up after I thought the concerns of the one "oppose" had been addressed, but when that was reverted by another admin I let it go. If I had put the Obama item up as soon as he formally accepted the nomination, instead of putting it forward for discussion, perhaps it would have stayed up for more than a few minutes. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 18:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
No the reason why this isn't going to be removed and the Obama thing was whatever the case is because we already had Obama when he was presumptive nominee. And we also had Biden about a week ago. So we have to put up Sarah Palin now but there is no intrinsic reason to put up Obama and it has been opposed when raised before. IIRC even Mwalcoff opposed it once although I have no idea if he still does so Nil Einne (talk) 22:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, having put the Biden thing up before really kind of settles it. You can't put one up and not the other, obviously. Danthemankhan 22:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Support This was pretty much settled when we put Biden up Nil Einne (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Support ...the headline. But I do not support the fact that it was added to the headline section by User:Nishkid64 without a consensus being reached first. I am concerned that it could set a bad precedent. This is at least the second time Niskid64 has done so. He did so before with regard to the Wah bombing on August 21 here. Although I agree that both stories belong in the headlines, I think a consensus must be reached first. Otherwise this page runs the risk of appearing biased. --Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
As I said before, since we put Biden up, so it was fair to include Palin. Still, I oppose any actions that are made without consensus. --Tone 10:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Winston Peters stands down as New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs, pending Serious Fraud Office investigates into political donations and allegations of corruption.

everything has been updated to reflect this.
Oppose While a scandal involving a high level member of government is sometimes suitable for ITN, I don't think this quite cuts it even more so that it remains simply allegations. Nil Einne (talk) 23:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

August 28

ITN Candidates for August 28

Oppose - Limited appeal (US-centric), mentions of rule changes in other more popular sports (Football, Cricket) which happen semi-regularly would equally be opposed. - (talk) 11:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
It seems of very limited interest, being a technical change to the way a sport is regulated (and not a particularly novel one at that). ReadingOldBoy (talk) 12:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose the baseball stuff, we could go with a combo item of combining a few Russia-Georgia war related news into a single item to put up. Hobartimus (talk) 15:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose, far too limited in interest. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 02:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Support The issue of technology aiding umpires or referees in sport is of international interest. It exists in some form in cricket, tennis, rugby, american football and now baseball; its introduction into soccer is an ongoing debate. (talk) 06:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, all those sports already implement it - this is hardly anything new in the sporting world. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 13:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Nom:Hurricane Gustav (2008) -- The death toll is at nearly 60 and is likely to rise when it hits Jamaica today. caknuck ° is not used to being the voice of reason 21:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

As said below, propose a good formulation and it goes up. Cheers. --Tone 21:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
This is history in the making, folks. If a shorter formulation is preferred, we can drop "Illinois Senator". —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 02:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
More context, if needed:
In the United States presidential election, Barack Obama accepts the nomination of the Democratic Party, becoming the first African American to be nominated for President of the United States by a major party. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 03:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Prefer this option. naerii 03:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Support. This is obviously an important event throughout the world, not just the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjaminx (talkcontribs) 03:58, August 29, 2008
Oppose It's not and was already up in June. Therequiembellishere (talk) 04:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
If it's not of international interest, why is it (at the moment) the top story on BBC News (the UK edition, not just the international edition), The Age (Australia), Die Ziet (Germany), Le Monde (France), The Globe and Mail (Canada), El Universal (Mexico), O Estado de S. Paulo (Brazil) and Al-Jazeera; and on the front page of the Jerusalem Post, The Times of India, The Times of South Africa, Xinua News Agency (China), The Straits Times (Singapore), et cetera? —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 05:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and in response to those who say "this was up in June" — actually becoming the nominee is different from numerically securing the nomination. This is an historic moment, and has been identified as such by many reliable sources. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 06:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Y'know what? It's been 23 hours since ITN was updated, and we don't have any other good candidates. I'm gonna be bold and just put this thing up. Another admin can revert if it's a problem — I won't wheel war. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 07:24, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. Technicalities aside, this was decided months ago. Formalizing it isn't even news-y. (Some of the campaign promises, the Clinton intrigue, and other speeches might be news, but giving him the nomination isn't. If you look at the news coverage they are talking about the new focus in his message and the other stuff, not the formalities of making him a candidate.) There is no reason to announce his candidacy now. I also don't see what article was significantly updated as a result of this event. Dragons flight (talk) 08:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Barack Obama has been updated, with lots of citations. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 14:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
No it hasn't. Changing "presumptive nominee" to "nominee" and switching infoboxes is not a substantial change, and none of the other work on his article in the last couple days addresses the nomination process. Dragons flight (talk) 16:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose Too much coverage has already been provided for presidential election in USA. According me the next time any mention should be done in ITN about the US election is when one of the candidate wins the Nov election. --gppande «talk» 09:24, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow. I thought that Mwalcoff's (joking) rhetorical claim a few days back was excessive, but maybe not. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 14:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Did a meteor hit the convention that I'm not aware of? Or are you saying Obama is the messiah (whoever the hell that is?) Nil Einne (talk) 22:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
No, and no. But an African American being chosen by a major party as its presidential nominee is a major milestone that I think should have been marked here. And my reaction was to the claim that the next time the US election should be mentioned on ITN is when it's over in November. That's absurd. It was appropriate to put the Palin nomination up, and if the Obama acceptance had gone up I'd have supported McCain's acceptance as well. But it seems I'm in a minority on this one, and I'll go with the consensus. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 19:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
But this already happened in June! The formality was the final step in the milestone but the most important event, the one we did highlight was arguably in June (even if it wasn't the most important event, since we already highlighted it once, it's a bit late to change our minds). Note that I've supported highlighting if Obama or Hillary won for a long time, as have a large number of others that I've seen (I did not initial support someone not unusual, as we did with McCain but eventually changed my mind and IIRC I offered full support to McCain at the time). I don't know if GbPande has or hasn't or would have/haven't supported the idea of highlighting Obama/Hillary, his/her response here doesn't really speak of the matter. And we also highlighted McCain whenever that was and since it was no milestone, frankly putting it again is a rather clear cut example of American centrism. (And as you've graciously concended, you're in an extreme minority here so clearly many people at least agree neither was necessary) So the only thing that GbPande missed is the Palin thing. But frankly, the case to put up either vice presidential selection was never that strong, and McCains VP even less so (since as someone pointed out somewhere, there is much more international interest in Obama then McCain) but it's clearly not fair to put up Biden but not McCain's VP so we should have put up McCain's VP. But I don't know if GbPande even knew Biden was put up and even if he/she did, he/she is entitled to disagree with putting up McCain's VP since as I've said, it's not a strong case ignoring the fairness issue which GbPande may not consider that important. So really what more is there to put up about the election until it happens? Nothing! Like GbPande said. So what exactly was absurd about what GbPande said? Nothing! It seems to me that your response was absurd. Sure if one of the candidates dies or is involved in a major scandal or whatever then there may be, but most likely GbPande was not referring to unexpected developments. Or are you suggesting we put up the debates or something as well (I'm serious here since I'm mystified as to why you find ito so strange that GbPande felt there should be no more election stuff until November given that the only thing which was a clear cut case was McCain's VP, and if you seriously feel that there is such a strong case to put up Obama again, let alone McCain, then IMHO it's no wonder people sometimes overact re American centrisim)? The other issue is if you are unable to understand that there is a very big difference between even Obama winning the election and becoming the first African American President and the messiah (I still don't know who the hell that is) visiting Delaware or an asteroid wiping out a city then well frankly, then I simply don't know what to say other then repeat again, THERE IS A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE and if you are unable to understand that, perhaps read up a bit on the world before you participate in ITN. Being sarcastic is one thing. Saying something so idiotic it just destroys the whole discussion is another. And yes, saying that because an editor disagrees with inclusion in a borderline case means that editors are going to reject astronomical events is offensive and dumb, and destroys the discussion completely. In any case, the fact that one editor may or may not overeact, doesn't change the fact that the majority of editors don't which is the key point. Ultimately there are often going to be editors who make strange comments saying something is whatever-centric when it isn't, however the substanial majority are never that bad and we really should be considering the substanial majority not the odd editor with uncommon views that aren't really supported by anything. Note that I've never denied (or at least I've never intended to) that a small number of people are more likely to overeact to perceived American-bias, there are various reasons for this including the fact that American bias by far is the most common on wikipedia. But by and large, when it comes to more substanial over-reactions, I've always believed and I still believe there are more likely in cases when something is accused of being biased in some way other then American P.S. The reason why I said McCain's VP above is because at the time, we did not know it was going to be Palin. The fact that it was Palin, a female thereby almost ensuring there will either be a African American President or a female vice-president is rather significant and changes the equation somewhat and makes the case for putting up Palin a fair amount strong. But since this not something we could predict, it is obviously not a consideration when you state you don't feel something should happen. P.P.S. Note on the issue of fairness, we did not put up Sarkozy despite putting up Royale, which I think was the right thing in that case even if the McCain VP has different issues which means fairness is more important it's surely understandable that GbPande didn't agree. Nil Einne (talk) 17:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Comment There has been substanial opposition to this whenever it has been raised previously because it is mostly a formality (akin to the way we don't generally put a swearing in of a Prime Minister or President). The first black thing was likewise already on ITN when he became the presumptive nominee> Note also this is the second discussion taking placea bout this on this page, there is one right below it Nil Einne (talk) 22:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

August 27

ITN Candidates for August 27

Pic for Hurricane Gustav

Do we have an article for this? SpencerT♦C 02:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Nominating Del Martin as up to date with regards to her death, noted in the blurb above. Maralia (talk) 19:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Not really notable...and not listed at WP:LILP. SpencerT♦C 22:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominating Hurricane Gustav. Wording could use some improvement though. SpencerT♦C 22:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
    • I'd wait for when/if there's major evacuation orders, and that way we avoid the refresh if we post the Caribbean info now. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 00:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Apparently there are some in Louisiana, looking at P:CE. SpencerT♦C 00:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
        • Considering that it's hitting Jamaica ATM, I think that this warrants front page mention. I'm going to re-nom this for today. caknuck ° is not used to being the voice of reason 15:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Support. Prepare a good formulation and I'll put it on. The article is well-written. --Tone 19:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
No. We already put this up in June (I know if official now), but since we will also be putting up McCain's VP next week, I say no. -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 23:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
  • McCain's VP pick isn't a very good reason not to promote this. Biden's mention could easily be removed and this could replace it. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 23:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Already put up in June. SpencerT♦C 00:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
No. This was already up before. Hobartimus (talk) 01:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

August 26

ITN Candidates for August 26

Looks updated and sourced. Just correct In Bihar, over 12 lakh people were affected. A random reader is not familiar with lakh and it is confusing (it was for me at least.) --Tone 10:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Done --gppande «talk» 11:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
And don't use 12,00,000 notation because it creates even more mess. Use 120,000. (WP:MOS) --Tone 11:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I changed to 1.2 million people --gppande «talk» 13:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
What happened? Why was this not promoted? --gppande «talk» 06:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Any Admin alive out there???? --gppande «talk» 15:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Suggest a good formulation and I'll put it up. Hm indeed, am I the only admin who's been checking this site recently?? I can't do this all the time only by myself! --Tone 19:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Over 2 million people in Bihar, India affected by flood as Koshi river changed its course.

This should be a nice blurb I could think of. I can already see a red banner saying ITN is not updated for more than 24 hours. Please add this news to ITN. --gppande «talk» 07:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for promoting this news to ITN but nobody credited me with ITN sovienier. Also the article highlighted should be of Koshi river as my suggestion and not the flood one. Koshi river article is more updated. --gppande «talk» 13:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Georgia–Russia relations includes a section on Medvedev's recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia; this could likely be expanded, but surely should be in ITN. Nyttend (talk) 12:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I have just deleted the wrong-titled International reaction to the 2008 Abkhazia declaration of independence, made of one sentence. The article you mention is not enough updated at the moment but could be. Also, possible option is to have a section about this in 2008 South Ossetia war article. As far as I have checked, none of the articles has been updated yet. --Tone 13:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Nom: Russia (president Medvedev pictured) formally recognizes the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The international response is mixed (or "mainly critical"). Comment: The recognition is a vital ingredient in the current conflict/war and Medvedev is the piovotal figure, even though his real power is questioned by some observers. Response is mostly negative, but that might be viewed as NPOV, so "mixed" or "mainly critical" might be more apropriate here. --Hapsala (talk) 14:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Support. But Russia (president Medvedev pictured) officially recognizes the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia would be better. The international response can not reasonably be described as mixed, as Russia is the only sovereign state to recognize the entities. Willy turner (talk) 17:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong support. Put it up! This gives the South Ossetian war a completely new turning. Probably the most stunning move by the Russian leadership since the assassination of Emperor Nicholas II. (talk) 17:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
But the international response is in fact mostly negative (but Hapsala probably tries to be neutral and not accused of being a POV-pusher by the Putin fanclub).
Strong support. This is a major international crisis between the United States, NATO and the Russian Federation. Hektor (talk) 18:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
If this goes up, please do not include the Medvedev picture (not that relevant). Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
"Not that relevant" (sic!) - Excuse me, but he is the only one who is entitled to make the formal decision for God's sake! --Hapsala (talk) 20:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Not sure that it's the most stunning move (the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a bit more surprising), but this is a better way to have this in ITN than my proposal a little above. Seeing that the vast majority of non-Russian and non-Georgian pronouncements on this topic are negative, perhaps we could say "the international response is mostly negative"? However, Medvedev would be quite relevant: he's the one that made the decision to recognise. Nyttend (talk) 18:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Has the person whose job it is to put items on the main page died or something? The big red sign says an update is very overdue. Since the Russia story is without doubt the most important story in the world today, can you please hurry up and put it up already. Willy turner (talk) 21:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Adding. Looks no ITN regular admin came around earlier. As for the picture, upload it here first. --Tone 21:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

August 25

ITN Candidates for August 25

  • Image update: Enough with the Biden picture - how about this image of the Olympic stadium by night? Hapsala (talk) 17:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Pardon if this isn't where it's supposed to go: I don't participate here normally. Both Abkazia and South Ossetia have bits about the unanimous resolution of the Federal Assembly of Russia in favor of recognizing these as independent states; is this sufficient for an ITN listing? It's surely more "impressive" than anything else here, whether Biden or the Olympics or anything else. Nyttend (talk) 20:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
    • This is probably not ITN worthy as neither house of the Federal assembly of Russia is entitled to actually make the formal decision. --Hapsala (talk) 22:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

August 24

ITN Candidates for August 24

  • Nom Marathon world record, bolded link to Samuel Wanjiru. This is a world record in one of the premier olympic events, comparable to Usain Bolt's 100m WR. Random89 08:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Nom Basketball Gold, once article is updated, per WP:ITNSPORTS. Would prefer this to Marathon entry, as it would probably be either/or. Random89 09:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Why is this any more important that any of the other gold medal wins, what's the significance?— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
  • Nom land dispute protest, bolded link to Tata Nano, which has a suitably updated section. As of right now, this seems to be the article most ready to go up. Random89 09:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
What about a combination like: USA wins the basketball tournament and Samuel Wanjirun of Kenya sets a new Olympic record in marathon as the 2008 Summer Olympics conclude. We have indeed agreed on both marathon and basketball and today's the closing day. --Tone 10:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Make it USA wins the basketball tournaments since the women's event is also included as per WP:ITNSPORTS. –Howard the Duck 14:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, despite some hyperbole by a few users, I still believe that basketball results should go up. The article is short on prose, but there are significant updates to the tables and such. The Bolt item could be removed for balance, as there would still only be 2 olympics items on the template. This was discussed (if not fully agreed upon) before the games. Also, the current closing ceremony blurb does not mention medal counts, which tends to remove the US bias arguments. Random89 08:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

With respect to what you say about the medal counts: not really, because the US is the only country which considers that it "won" the medal tally. - Mark 14:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Australian diver Matthew Mitcham achieves the highest single-dive score in Olympic history, winning the Men's 10m platform and preventing China from achieving a clean-sweep of the diving medals.
    • Article is updated and referenced, and a much more newsworthy outcome than the US winning the basketball (yawn, what's new there). - Mark 10:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
IMO, neither should get on ITN. The biggest Olympics-related news should get on ITN, and the biggest Olympics-related news right now is the closing of the games. Bolt? It's time for him to bolt. --PFHLai (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The basketball should go up because the biennial world basketball tournament normally goes up, weather it be the FIBA Championships (in 2002, 06, 10) or the Olympics (2004, 08, 12). -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 22:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Aren't we also saying the China leads at the final medal tally/count/table? –Howard the Duck 00:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
No, because that will confuse Americans too much, who are under the impression that they "won". - Mark 01:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
How about this:
Anyone can straighten out the last part of the blurb. It's absolutely important to include the basketball tournament since it has recently beat the 2006 World Cup on TV viewership of a single game. –Howard the Duck 02:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Why don't we just put the basketball as a second item below the closing bit? Plus it might be worth pointing out that it's the first time that China has won the most gold medals: they were second behind the US in 2004 and third behind the US and Russia in 2000. Quite a notable victory for them, at least in their eyes:
That's my suggestion, anyway. - Mark 02:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think a lot of people would like 2 consecutive Olympic-related items on ITN, with both of them mentioning "United States." Oh the horrors! –Howard the Duck 02:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
The basketball audience figure claim is complete bullshit. Please check out my response to the claim at WT:ITN before you continue to repeat FIBA nonsense. I supported and still support including the basketball result based on the premise we also include the FIBA tournaments so it doesn't make sense to exclude the Olympics result which is more important in the world of basketball but I strongly oppose including it at the expense of the marathon. The men's marathon is and has been for a long while the premier event at the olympics (the medal ceremony was part of the closing ceremony for heaven's sake) and including basketball but not including the marathon is frankly one of the silliest suggestions I've heard in a while. If having 3 olympics items at one time is too much, then either we ski basketball and only include the marathon or we skip them all an only include the closing ceremony. Nil Einne (talk) 18:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Both Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men and Basketball at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women now have game summaries for the gold medal game so it's good to go. –Howard the Duck 12:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Second plane crash in a week, horrible. In any case, there has to be an update to the article, I suggest you start a separate article about it if there are enough details known already. When we have the article, this is ITN. --Tone 19:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
2008 Itek Air crash is too stubby and needs to grow bigger. --PFHLai (talk) 20:13, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Please consider: "Iran Aseman Airlines Flight 6895 crashes upon take-off near Manas International Airport in Bishkek, Kyrgystan, killing 68 people". In any case, strong support, articles are ready. ~AH1(TCU) 16:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Added. The article looks ok, though a little short. --Tone 17:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

August 23

ITN Candidates for August 23

Discussion regarding Biden pick already ongoing at Template_talk:In_the_news#Obama.27s_VP.

Why did this even go up? The update to Biden's article doesn't meet the minimum standards established at WP:ITNMP. SpencerT♦C 14:10, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
As per WP:ITNSPORTS. –Howard the Duck 04:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

August 22

ITN Candidates for August 22

  • Could you please update the Usain Bolt piece since he got a third gold medal in relay ? Hektor (talk) 14:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: Another world record and gold medal for Bolt? Okay... How should we phrase this on ITN without taking up too much space? Anyway, the one-sentence paragraph about this is currently tagged with {{fact}} at Usain Bolt. This must be dealt with before this point gets on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 18:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it's neccesary, the same as we didn't mention Phelps winning the 7th medal after the 6th. --Tone 19:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand why this shouldn't be updated. I can't see any {{fact}} tag. Writing that he won two gold medals while in reality he won three gold medals is factually inexact and very misleading. Hektor (talk) 05:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
The fact tags have been removed and replaced with footnotes. Verifiablity is not an issue now. The current headline didn't say how many medals he has won. It is fine as is, but updating would be better. Now please draft a concise headline. --PFHLai (talk) 12:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
"Usain Bolt of Jamaica wins gold medals in the 100 metre and 200 metre sprints and 4x100 metre relay at the 2008 Summer Olympics, setting new world records of 9.69, 19.30 seconds, and 37.10 seconds, respectively." Too long? "Usain Bolt wins gold medals in the 100 metre and 200 metre sprints and 4x100 metre relay at the 2008 Summer Olympics, setting new world records in each event." DOSGuy (talk) 14:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Too long. I suggest we wait until tomorrow and then replace this item with the closing ceremony. --Tone 14:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
How can it be too long? My second suggestion is 130 characters, while the existing text is 144. It's not longer, it's shorter! DOSGuy (talk) 16:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
then avoid the link, what matters is the battle. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 11:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
C'mon, TheFEARgod, you know this is a not a good idea. (Though not an ITN requirement.)
says who?--TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Battle of Kismayo seems incomplete when the second and last section is "Background". --PFHLai (talk) 13:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

August 21

ITN Candidates for August 21

Is there an article for the monsoon? SpencerT♦C 11:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 Indian floods created by me was featured in ITN few days back. --gppande «talk» 12:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Was there a consensus reached about the Wah bombing that I'm not aware of?--Cdogsimmons (talk) 15:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I removed it at first but then I saw that the article was in fact relevant so I put it back. Ideally, there would be a debate but since it was ok already... --Tone 17:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

August 20

ITN Candidates for August 20

  • Spanair Flight AJK 5022 crashes, most of the 172 people aboard the plane are feared dead, when more is known this is a certain ITN. --Tone 14:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Support Teemu08 (talk) 14:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Support AP estimates death toll to exceed 45. AVandtalkcontribs 17:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Support Major air disaster making front-page news worldwide. Article is receiving attention and has numerous sources to work from as details come in. Radagast (talk) 17:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Support AP says at least 150 dead [1], Bloomberg says more than 100 [2] out of 175. naerii 18:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Support I'm of the opinion that we're usually too fast when it comes to this sort of thing, posting stories when the article is only a paragraph or filled with rumours. When this was first proposed the article was indeed a bit short but the article now appears to be in decent shape and of resonable size. In particular, the death toll appears to be resonably supported Nil Einne (talk) 19:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Support No question. Big story. __meco (talk) 19:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Added to ITN. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 20:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

August 19

ITN Candidates for August 19

Oppose Article not updated at all. SpencerT♦C 00:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Heck we unfortunately don't even seem to have an article on the Egyptian Parliament building which is where any updates on this ideally should go... Nil Einne (talk) 12:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Does the article clearly state what is going on, as the wording seems vague and possibly POV. SpencerT♦C 19:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

August 18

ITN Candidates for August 18

Maybe we can have Image:Pervez Musharraf 2004.jpg to illustrate it? Anonymous101 (talk) 11:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Support, but I don't think its worth mentioning the Indirect presidential elections in this blurb. We'll do that in the next. --SpencerT♦C 12:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I've changed the blurb. Anonymous101 (talk) 12:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Anyone feels like replacing one of the two present Olympic items with Yelena Isinbaeva's new world record in pole vault? Highly attractive sport but not discussed earlier. --Tone 15:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Compared with the other two records, this hardly merits notability. SpencerT♦C 19:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I've included a section now in Poland–United States relations (The first link in the proposed headline). __meco (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

August 17

ITN Candidates for August 17

  • Iran announces it has launched a satellite, Omid, with its national satellite launcher, Safir, the ninth nation to achieve such a feat.
IRINN has only released footage of a rocket launch.[3] I'd wait till there's confirmation that Omid has settled in its orbit. I hope sth like this doesn't happen again. --PFHLai (talk) 18:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Is this a nom? I don't think this is notable enough, looking at the Olympics as a whole. SpencerT♦C 00:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I think this was the same person who threw his bronze to the ground. It even made to our local newscast so... –Howard the Duck 04:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose There are larger things going on. The every Olympic scandal/record in not that important. Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Nom Tropical Storm Fay. 54 people died so far. SpencerT♦C 12:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Support Now up to 77 deaths, albeit mostly indirectly. Teemu08 (talk) 18:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Wording and update: 110 are dead after Tropical Storm Fay made landfall in Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, and the United States. There's wording, but it could probably use some improvement. SpencerT♦C 11:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

August 16

ITN Candidates for August 16

Support We should replace the existing one about Phelps with this one, and I think we should re-include the picture of Phelps. J.delanoygabsadds 03:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose We cannot put Phelps up at every bloody medal! We just changed his picture, we're not putting it back up again. Therequiembellishere (talk) 07:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose I think there has to be something more exceptional happening for us to perpetuate the Phelps story in the ITN section. __meco (talk) 08:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose, possibly if/when he wins his 8th medal here... --Tone 14:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose However, should he go eight for eight Sunday morning, I definitely think it should be added given the record-breaking nature. Jasonn (talk) 14:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Eventually, we can merge this with Bolt blurb so that we don't have two Olympic posts at the same time. --Tone 20:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Support and support a photo. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose for now, just a storm. --Tone 14:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
If I remember, we usually put the breaking of this record on ITN, besides, this was one of the highlights of the Games. (is this formulation ok?)--Tone 14:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Support Obviously an event of major proportion. Hektor (talk) 14:48, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Support as mentioned here. Breaking the 9.7s barrier is a milestone achievement. Harryboyles 14:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
SupportThis is one of those events in sport that is completely superlative. Mostlyharmless (talk) 14:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted. PeterSymonds (talk) 14:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

August 15

ITN Candidates for August 15

This is interesting in sense of sport statistics, not for ITN. --Tone 09:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Support when the results are out. --Tone 09:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong Support after results. Therequiembellishere (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
The result is still not out, but according to [6] we can be quite sure of the result. Proposed wording to be added once result is official:
"Maoist leader Pushpa Kamal Dahal (Prachanda) is elected Prime Minister by the Constituent Assembly of Nepal." --Soman (talk) 13:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
And now it's official --Soman (talk) 14:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong Support final turnover of a monarchy to a republic. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Support both. In Mauritania case, mentioning the coup would be relevant. Also, do we have photos of any of the two? --Tone 10:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
We have a photo of Lugo, but not of Laghdaf or Abdel Aziz. Therequiembellishere (talk) 10:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Do you like the new line? Therequiembellishere (talk) 10:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I would prefer shorter line, like Moulaye Ould Mohamed Laghdaf is appointed Prime Minister of Mauritania following the coup d'etat. Is it stil informative enough? --Tone 10:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, yeah that's fine. I just tried to force Abdel Aziz in because he was never on. Therequiembellishere (talk) 10:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Added both. Can someone upload the photo of Lugo, maybe cropped? --Tone 10:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Tone, can you reset the clock? That needs to be done. Also, the Laghdaf update appears pretty minimal. SpencerT♦C 11:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Spencer, do you like my revised line above? Therequiembellishere (talk) 11:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not talking about the wording, I'm talking about the content in the article. It looks better now, though. SpencerT♦C 00:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose, as the subject's article only has 3 sentences describing the election. SpencerT♦C 00:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
What of the revised line above it? Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
The line was fine as it is. SpencerT♦C 19:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

August 14

ITN Candidates for August 14

August 13

ITN Candidates for August 13

  • Nom/Support Michael Phelps. I know someone already added it, and I for one support the addition, but it is probably best to have it at least listed here. Random89 07:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Surprising, so is it not mandatory that a news get "nominated" and approved by some admin before it gets posted? --gppande «talk» 16:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
It is not a preferred method but the fact is that not all the admins read the ITN guidelines. --Tone 16:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, not all admins are as good as few who monitor and reply here. Anyways, nothing at harm as they do update news on-time while it is HOT. --gppande «talk» 16:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I know this is ~9 days late, but Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who was on WP:LILP died. Is he too late to include? SpencerT♦C 20:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

This was (briefly) included and then removed amidst the always re-occurring debate about deaths. Some of the discussion is in the archives here, other on the main page. Random89 20:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Ah, looked. It's a shame no one remembers WP:LILP or the death styling at WP:ITN/S. SpencerT♦C 15:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

August 12

ITN Candidates for August 12

Looks like we missed the boat for Tropical Storm Kammuri (2008). Nice article, but the typhoon dissapated on Aug. 8. SpencerT♦C 14:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Posted at the bottom, anyway. This has a higher death toll than the floods in India. --PFHLai (talk) 19:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

August 11

ITN Candidates for August 11

August 10

ITN Candidates for August 10

This would probably be an update or replacement of the existing blurb on this. Also, i would remove the word provincial from the blurb, as this is a POV issue we have no need to get embroiled in. Random89 22:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominating Heavy monsoon rains kill dozens of people and disrupt normal life in India. Or whatever is the usual blurb to nominate flood articles. Actually, 48 hours of heavy rains have left many dead in Indians states of Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh. --gppande «talk» 08:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong support Article is strong, well-sourced. I think that a new picture should be chosen for ITN, too, possibly about the 2008 South Ossetia war. We wouldn't want to go back to a Fernando Lugo situation, now would we? BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 13:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Support Article looks good. Teemu08 (talk) 15:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted; topic line shortened. PeterSymonds (talk) 16:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I guess everyone is so focused on the Olympics and they forgot about this. -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 21:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Support, but wording should be: In golf, Pádraig Harrington of Ireland wins the 2008 PGA Championship, becoming the first European to do so in 78 years. SpencerT♦C 13:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Will anyone post this? SpencerT♦C 17:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Right, I have missed this discussion. My bad. --Tone 22:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

August 9

ITN Candidates for August 9

  • I'd sugest that the 2008 South Ossetia War is moved to the top. The ongoing war between Russia and Georgia is much more important than yesterday's opening cermony of the Beijing games. Hapsala (talk) 13:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Sez who? The items are ordered chronologically to avoid the "importance" debate. --Howard the Duck 14:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, I wasn't aware of the importance debate... So the item will disappear after a couple of legislative elections and a roadside bomb? Hapsala (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Depends if something else major happens concerning the same news story that'll cause new updates to the article hence a new hook will be used thus lengthening its stay at ITN. --Howard the Duck 15:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps it should be updated to reflect the fact that the Georgian government has declared a state of war? J Milburn (talk) 19:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Could we get rid of the second sentence? Their efforts mean little, plus there is pretty much no mention about it in the linked article. Narayanese (talk) 22:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

August 8

ITN Candidates for August 8

Strong Support. This is the biggest news right now. But fix that grammar error. (troops move) Esn (talk) 13:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong Support, the article has been created less than 24 hours ago and has seen 250+ edits already. Header to be corrected in accordance to latest events (moves across the border can change) --windyhead (talk) 13:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Support, but enters needs to be changed to enter, and the article needs to be changed from its current timeline format to something more encyclopedic. Benjaminx (talk) 14:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry for the grammar errors :( English is one of the most difficult languages in the world ;) Hapsala (talk) 15:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Comment It'll be hard to change it to something more "encyclopedic" while the situation is still changing so rapidly. And I think that the exact times are important so that the succession of events can be followed. Esn (talk) 14:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong Support,These guys are about to go to war. If that doesn’t deserve to be in the news I don’t know what is.-Southeastern Everglades (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted (no picture change yet) by SCZenz (talk) 14:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • NominateWhile traveling around Ohio making speeches to the public, John McCain was recently asked to keep a certain business from switching to UPS air-freight; McCain responded, “That's just not what I'm about."(Hallett, Joe, THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH, Thursday, August 7, 2008)
Support It’s entertaining. The U.S. is a capitalist country, yet someone thought a senator could do that. Chuck (talk) 21:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose This news story has no global importance, or importance in the U.S., for that matter. Also, it's not Friday yet. Benjaminx (talk) 22:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong OpposeNot interesting, not news. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Is Wikipedia counting the number of gaffes made by both candidates, with emphasis on McCain? :D --Howard the Duck 05:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong Oppose This is just random campaign chatter. Esn (talk) 14:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Olympics. Obviously the Opening Ceremony will be going up in a few hours, but I'd like to remind the admin that adds it to also include the Olympic Highlights link at the bottom that was agreed to on the talk page. In reality it could have gone up on Wednesday, but today works just as well. -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 07:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Just beat me to posting that. Suggested wording of opening ceremony blurb: "The 2008 Summer Olympics opening ceremony is held in Beijing, marking the start of the Games of the XXIX Olympiad." Also suggest possible link of "Games of the XXIX Olympiad" to the article Olympic Games or Summer Olympic Games. Random89 07:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
It's starting now if anyone wants to add it right now... --Howard the Duck 12:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong support Why not? Surely of international notability. – PeterCX&Talk 14:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted. --- RockMFR 14:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Here's a picture: Image:Bird's Nest stadium, May 2008. BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 15:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose, despite the article being in good shape. There's a quote there that says it best, something along the lines of "Edwards is no longer an elected official or running for office". If he had won the democratic presidential nomination, it would be another story, but right now, no. Also, we have two other very good candidates from today. Random89 21:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I understand your point, but The Washington Post, who you quoted above, is now covering this as the top-headline story on their website.[7] The New York Times is also carrying this near the top of their front webpage.[8] Kelly hi! 00:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
If this story makes the headlines in a newspaper outside the U.S. then this will given a chance. --Howard the Duck 15:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
A quick search shows this story also on the front page of The Times.[9] Kelly hi! 16:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Front page? Yes. Headline? No. And not even all headlines or front page stories are considered. Otherwise Brett Favre and/or Cristiano Ronaldo's offseason adventures might be considered. --Howard the Duck 16:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
It's the third story down from the top on their front page, which is about what I would expect for an American political story on a British paper. But this is the first time I've dealt with ITN so I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for. Regards - Kelly hi! 17:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
This story fails the international interest criterion. End of story. Otherwise, this story should also be considered since it's located immediately below the Edwards story on Reuters.--Howard the Duck 17:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
<undent>Ah, OK - I was going to link to the BBC, which is also carrying this at the top of their "World News", but Howard advised me elsewhere that American news shouldn't be nominated here. So I'll drop it, very sorry for the trouble. Kelly hi! 18:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
It's the top story on the Beeb's Americas subsite. On the News Front Page you'd have to press "page down" thrice to see it on most monitors. --Howard the Duck 18:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong Oppose What's your point? fifteen people ran last year and it looks like about ten this year. Therequiembellishere (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

August 7

ITN Candidates for August 7

Support The length is borderline. I won't post this myself, but if another admin wants to then I support that decision. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 16:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose For now it's just a movement. We usually post the results, like the Japanese PM's censure and the Indian PM's survival of the no-confidence vote. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I hate red templates :D. This is the runaway favourite from the current nominees, and its article is pretty good for being only five hours old. I agree it's not a perfect ITN candidate, but it's not a bad one either. Happymelon 17:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. Not yet final. --Howard the Duck 19:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

August 6

ITN Candidates for August 6

Second; although the article is small right now, significance makes up for lack of quality. Mouse is back 13:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Support Very notable. Article could use expansion, but it's in acceptable shape right now. I'm sure more details will be released as the day progresses. Teemu08 (talk) 13:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Strong Support The kidnapping, usurping and very possible assassination of the head of state and government at the same time. Therequiembellishere (talk) 13:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Uber-Strong Support The article looks great, is well, sources, plus you never hear about Mauritania otherwise. BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 14:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Support Article has been expanded and is clearly covering an important news story. Benjaminx (talk) 14:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Support This is very important. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 14:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted by Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 15:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

If we say that Sidi Ould Cheikh Abdallahi was deposed, then we should say that Yahya Ould Ahmed El Waghef was deposed as well. If possible, I'd like to see Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz included but Yahya Ould Ahmed El Waghef should definitely be included. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed new post - President Sidi Ould Cheikh Abdallahi (pictured) and Prime Minister Yahya Ould Ahmed El Waghef of Mauritania is deposed in a military coup d'état (by Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz).
  • Nominate FBI alleges that American scientist Bruce Ivins was the one responsible for the anthrax attacks of 2001 that killed 17 people. --Dfgxx (talk) 03:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

August 5

ITN Candidates for August 5

  • Nominate the earthquake. It needs an update, and this is the most appropriate hook. PeterSymonds (talk) 18:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
It needs an article. I think if it had a decent article, this would be a no-brainer to put up, but right now we have nothing. Random89 19:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do. PeterSymonds (talk) 19:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

August 4

ITN Candidates for August 4

Article is in great shape. Support this item's inclusion. Random89 19:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Added. PeterSymonds (talk) 19:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Nom: Eleven climbers from an international expedition perish after ice fall took out the fixed ropes on part of the route on K2 mountain (pictured) in the Himalayas. (developing story, see 2/8) Hapsala (talk) 14:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
One ref for three short paragraphs is probably below the ITN bar for event-specific articles. - BanyanTree 00:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Please read the instructions at the top of the page and post to Portal:Current events before suggesting an ITN candidate. - BanyanTree 00:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

August 3

ITN Candidates for August 3

Support.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 15:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Support.-- Surely all incidents that cause 100 plus deaths are notable enough for ITN? Plus its the main story on the BBC world news page [10] And its presumably the main story in India, the worlds second most populous country. Sorry if you feel this is an obvious point, but I feel it supports the incidents notability. Willy turner (talk) 15:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Support. I was coming here to suggest the same thing. Nitpick though, I believe it should be "at a Hindu Temple" rather than "in a Hindu Temple", since my impression is that the stampede occured on a pathway outside the temple itself. Dragons flight (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
fixed Anonymous101 (talk) 16:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Support Although the AP is only reporting 68 deaths [11]. Teemu08 (talk) 16:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
[12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] all report over 120 deaths. Anonymous101 (talk) 16:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted. -- tariqabjotu 16:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
More than your average death, so I'm giving it a shot. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Support time for some ITN death reform. A major figure both in the literary world and outside it. This is certainly a better candidate than the K2 accident for the next update--much more encyclopedic content to highlight here. Mangostar (talk) 14:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Support. I'll give this a shot as well, and note that Solzhenitsyn is listed at the proposed Important living people page. Anybody else feel like supporting a precedent? - BanyanTree 15:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted. -- tariqabjotu 15:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn#Death needs more refs. -- (talk) 16:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I see three refs, which is normally considered "enough" for an update to an existing article. - BanyanTree 01:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The {{cn}} tags I put in have been replaced by footnotes. That's great! -- (talk) 02:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Several people have complained on Talk:Main Page#Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's death and I'm complaining here now. He was old, it's not unexpected, does not meet WP:ITN/DC. jnestorius(talk) 19:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
There has clearly been a near-consensus that the official criteria for deaths on ITN are too restrictive. While there has not been a consensus on what language to replace it with -- mostly due to a lack of effort to craft the right language -- I think it's fair to consider the old death criteria "of no force or effect." -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
That's roughly my reading of the situation, and why I removed the old deaths criteria from WP:ITNMP a while back and simply directed readers to the WP:ITN/DC discussion, which is itself stalemated. This isn't even a case of IAR, as there are no rules to speak of. While it's obviously all debatable (and has been), going on consensus on ITN/C to post a death on a case-by-case basis is certainly a valid way to approach the situation. - BanyanTree 01:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I am not at all disputing your good faith but to me that seems a rather unsustainable position to work from. Surely the whole point of having rules / guidelines / criteria is that everyone knows (at least to a good first approximation) what they should do and what other editors are likely to do.
I followed the debate about death criteria some while ago (being very surprised that Arthur C. Clarke was not included) and whilst I agree that there was a near-consensus that the official criteria were too restrictive and that no new criteria could be agreed I did not think that amounted to the abandoning of criteria.
I would have thought the appropriate response to this situation would be either to continue with the previously agreed policy (annoying to people so maybe they will get a new one agreed) or to omit all deaths from ITN until a new policy was agreed. FerdinandFrog (talk) 11:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Just to note, Solzhenitsyn's death was up at #4 most emailed at earlier today - this is clearly something people are interested in, and we have lots of relevant encyclopedic content to show off. Calliopejen1 (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. This is a good article, and is related to something that is "in the news". I fully support this inclusion, and endorse Banyan's and Mwalcoff's reading of the death criteria situation. I have also commented on Talk:Main Page in relation to a few other accusations that have been thrown around regarding this. Random89 07:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I thought the ITN criterion was the quality of the new update to the article rather than the quality of the article itself. For Solzhenitsyn the update is a 2-line paragraph and not likely to get much longer. I strongly object to any effort to make inclusion on ITN conditional on the overall quality of the linked article: a noteworthy person who hasn't had the benefit of the Wikipedia FA treatment is not the less notable for that; conversely, the death of someone with an FA-bio page is not an excuse to show off the great article by smuggling it onto ITN; we have FA for that purpose. Random89's comment on Talk:Main is more or less "you didn't object at the time, so tough." Fair enough, I won't ask for it to be removed; but if Banyan regards this as establishing a precedent I beg to differ. jnestorius(talk) 08:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Everyone seems to be forgetting the purpose and criteria for ITN. Simply being newsworthy is not enough, no matter how newsworthy. The article must be updated substantially. This one has not been. Also, regarding deaths, it has been long decided that only unexpected deaths or deaths of national leaders should go on ITN. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-08-05 13:10Z
Support the opening of this can of worms. With the new, frequently updated, Lugo-less ITN, I think we can afford to list deaths of particularly notable people. However, I really think we should permanently update the death criteria before more names go up. Until we do, Solzhenitsyn's name will be brought up in every debate about deaths in ITN. Teemu08 (talk) 18:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Again, the point of ITN is not to list notable news events, but to list articles that have been substantially updated to reflect news events. At the very least his article needs to be significantly updated. That must first be completed before we can even get to the subject of whether or not his death warrants a mention on the main page. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-08-05 18:29Z
I would rather expand "Recent deaths" into a separate frontpage section than feature more deaths within ITN. OTOH, I'm sure others would rather ringfence other areas (sports, atrocities, TV polls, elections, natural disasters, space, ... have I forgotten any?) jnestorius(talk) 19:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2

ITN Candidates for August 2

  • New Picture: Getting tired of Mr. Olmert? How about this picture of the solar eclipse? Might need some cropping, though. Hapsala (talk) 10:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Nom Latvian Constitutional Referendum. Template needs an update, the article is short but well sourced. Also, does no on else find it funny that they're holding a referendum to decide if they can hold referendums? Random89 07:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
A failed referendum on whether they can hold referendums? Seems a bit questionable on notability, besides being short and rather unwikified. - BanyanTree 01:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

August 1

ITN Candidates for August 1

The update to the article is limited, but it should be enough. Narayanese (talk) 20:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted. - BanyanTree 21:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Nominating the news of coronation of George Tupou V. I have expanded the section with all known events that took place during the coronation ceremony. --gppande «talk» 08:12, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
  • "Harkishan Singh Surjeet (pictured), a veteran communist politician from India, passed away." Surjeet was a major political figure in Indian politics for many years, and played a crucial role in forming various national government alliances in the second most populous country in the world. --Soman (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
The best candidate of the three above is the eclipse. We had the Tonga king last week already (though the event is different) and deaths are always controversial on ITN. --Tone 12:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Updated with the Solar Eclipse headline. PeterSymonds (talk) 13:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Support. --gppande «talk» 15:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Posted. - BanyanTree 21:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. This is misleading. It should be allege. It's allegations only. And no officials allege it. It was the New York Times!--Dfgxx (talk) 04:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it might be termed "The New York Times reports that U.S. government officials confirm that...", but we dont' do that unless there is something very strange about the item. For example, we wouldn't say, "The Associated Press reports that the Constitutional Court of Turkey rules against a ban", as we assume that the media organization is credible and has done due diligence. If the NY Times has screwed this up, then that would be worthy of ITN as well, IMO. - BanyanTree 06:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Well it should possibly say that the officials were not named. Really the NY times article didn't say anything much about who. --Dfgxx (talk) 06:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Support. This may mark the solving of one of the greatest mysteries of the past decade. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Oppose This is two facts put together in a very speculative way. Besides, a prosection is not a conviction. Narayanese (talk) 06:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)