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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct page if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons: ..."

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the top of the list, filling in pages and reason:
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason=reason for move}}
    
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

  • Overseas Development Institute  ODI (move · discuss) – Following a rebrand in 2020, the organisation's name was changed from 'Overseas Development Institute' to 'ODI'. This is reflected in the opening line of the page, but the page title needs updating. Ta1989editor (talk) 13:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

and enter on a new line, directly below; do not add spare lines between entries; do not add a bullet point; if you do not wish the request to be converted into an RM if contested, then add |discuss=no -->


Administrator needed

Contested technical requests

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

To request a single page move, click on the "New section" (or "Add topic") tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 30 November 2022" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the affected page:

Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

The |1= unnamed parameter is not used. The |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected pages, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1     = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2     = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3     = New title for page 3
| reason   = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.
}}

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 30 November 2022

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 30 November 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 30 November 2022

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2022‎ (UTC)

Survey
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Discussion
Any additional comments:



This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 30 November 2022

– why Example (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 30 November 2022

– why Example (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Commenting on a requested move

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting should be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.

Notes

  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 49 discussions have been relisted.

November 30, 2022

  • (Discuss)Strange World (film)Strange World – Though it's relatively obscure for a Disney movie, this film is nevertheless now the dominant meaning for "Strange World" - as evidenced both by web searches and Wikipedia traffic. It gets at least 50 times more views than either of the other two articles about things named "Strange World" (a 1995 single and a short-lived 1999 TV series). Of course, that's in part due to the film having just been released, but its dominance is so great that I can't imagine it will ever not outweigh these other two meanings. Korny O'Near (talk) 14:18, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Microsoft DefenderMicrosoft Defender Antivirus – Since my last move request, I now too believe that 'Microsoft Defender Antivirus' would be a better name for the article, since that is its more common name. As it was historically a simple anti-spyware solution and has grown over time, I can imagine a layout in which the anti-virus/spyware component is the main focus of the article, with some information on the new Windows Security app being included somewhere in the middle (sort of like it is now). However, I do not believe that the anti-virus component and the new multi-platform security solution can be fully written about in the same article without it becoming cluttered and confusing, which is why I still believe that this article should be renamed and the new multi-platform Microsoft Defender should receive its own article, even if that would only be small in size. Glukonian (talk) 10:40, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)−196°C Strong ZeroStrong ZeroWP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Although the current title appears to be the full name of the product, multiple cited English-language sources refer to it simply as Strong Zero, which is more concise. The simpler title is also the primary name shown on the product label. I previously renamed the article to use proper minus sign and degree symbols, but it appears that it would have been better to just remove the temperature expression entirely. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:46, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

November 29, 2022

  • (Discuss)CitharaKithara – This move is necessary because the vast majority of scholarly sources all use the Greek spelling of this instrument. I further note that there are many factual errors in this article, as the word kithara had different meanings across time as the round-based western lyre extant during the time of Homer (who was the first to use the words kithara and kitharis in surviving literature) was later replaced by a different construct of instrument with a flat base in the Hellenistic period that was also referred to as a Kithara. Scholars today divide the kithara into separate groups, the round-based "cylinder kithara" and the flat-based "concert kithara". In some cases the word kithara was also used to encompass both the kithara and the phorminx; and there has been some inter-changeability of the terms in literature and antiquity depending on the period of the writer. There is a highly detailed article which sorts through all the various uses of the term across history/scholarship in Martha Maas (2002). "Kithara". Grove Music Online. Oxford Music Online. Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.article.15077. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help) There is also further content, placing the kithara in relation the history of the lyre family in Klaus Wachsmann, Bo Lawergren, Ulrich Wegner and John Clark (2002). "Lyre (from Gk.; Lat. lyra)". Grove Music Online. Oxford Music Online. Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.article.50534. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Other scholarly works using kithara include [1], [2], [3]. I am willing to completely re-write the article with these sources providing we move the article to the correct title. I also note, that while the 1911 version of Encyclopedia Britannica used cithara, the current version of the encyclopedia uses kithara; which demonstrates a move in the scholarly literature away from the Romanized spelling. 4meter4 (talk) 20:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Safeway Inc.Safeway – The contemporary United States grocery chain is clearly the primary topic relative to defunct groceries of the same name in other countries and smaller companies with similar names. CWenger (^@) 19:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ghost RileyGhost (Call of Duty) – While most reliable sources refer to him as Simon "Ghost" Riley, others have pointed out that this is the correct name- according to Wikipedia policy- for his article to be titled. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 19:32, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Dominican Hill Retreat HouseDiplomat Hotel (Baguio)WP:COMMONNAME, many sources more commonly refer to it as "Diplomat Hotel" than "Dominican Hill Retreat House". It was moved sometime in 2017 because "it is no longer a hotel," but many sources as well as Filipinos in general will not immediately refer to it as "Dominican Hill Retreat House" but "Diplomat Hotel". The use of the formal name in an NHCP plaque does not mean it is the commonly-used name. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 18:05, 22 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Clyde!Franklin! 18:40, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)North Dundas, OntarioNorth Dundas – There is no evidence that North Dundas, Tasmania is/was an actual place. Dundas, Tasmania is a place, and mines and roads are in or go to the northern portion of it (i.e. North Dundas Road). In addition, per WP:DABMENTION, the blue link at North Dundas should cover the topic that doesn't have an article (which the tram article doesn't, it just mentions North Dundas Road as a crossing). WP:ONEOTHER also would apply here. - Floydian τ ¢ 16:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 00:22, 19 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Cretan TurksCretan Muslims – After a recently blocked sockpuppet tried to remove the alternative term Cretan Muslims two months ago, i noticed that according to Google Books (here and here), its affiliated service Google Ngram Viewer (here), and Google Scholar (here and here), the term Cretan Muslims is significantly more common than Cretan Turks. Furthermore, the term Turk can cause ambiguity, since it can be used in an ethnic, national, and religious context; among others. In our case, the article deals with the historical Muslim community of Crete, who was predominantly of Greek ethnic background, and whose descendants can be found in a number of countries; not just Turkey. Demetrios1993 (talk) 19:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. echidnaLives - talk - edits 09:16, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Czechoslovakian WolfdogCzechoslovakian Vlcak – incorrect common name for a breed recognized by the American Kennel Club and United Kennel Club as the Czechoslovakian Vlcak. Czechoslovakian wolfdog is used in the UK where the breed is not recognized by the national kennel club. Accurate terminology for this breed is important due to the potential to misconstrue this purebred breed of dog with mixed breed wolfdogs, which are common in the USA, and the legal issues that come with that. Vlcaksociety (talk) 21:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ruy LopezRuy López Opening – Ruy Lopez is missing the accent which is in the opening's name. Additionally, it is missing the word "Opening", despite it being named after Ruy Lopez de segura. Jishiboka1 (talk) 02:20, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Peter Forster (bishop)Peter Forster (born 1950) – I am open to other dab titles, but Forster is no longer a bishop, having been received into the Catholic Church and not ordained, he is now in the lay state and considered a layman. Since he is retired from the House of Lords, "politician" seems inapt as well, but I'm struggling to describe him accurately. Elizium23 (talk) 00:25, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

November 28, 2022

  • (Discuss)Sephardi JewsSephardic Jews – Going by Google Ngrams, [4], in recent decades "Sephardic Jews" is as much as nearly five times as frequently found in Google's British English book corpus as "Sephardi Jews", and ranges from four to 20 times as frequent in US English (albeit with a really sharp decline from 1960 through the present). Those ratios on their own seem to make a rather striking case, at least for starters, that "Sephardic Jews" is the WP:COMMONNAME. (Oddly, Google Ngrams finds the reverse situation with "Ashkenazic Jews" versus "Ashkenazi Jews".) Largoplazo (talk) 21:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hunky cultureHunky (ethnic identification) – Although there was unanimous agreement not to rename this to Hunky as a primary topic, the current title is poor, as there is no particular culture that this term identifies. It is a term applied broadly to immigrants from a (loosely defined) geographic region that contains a variety of cultural characteristics. Other possibilities discussed in the previous just-closed RM include Hunky (slur), Hunky (ethnic grouping), Hunky (ethnicity), and Hunky (ethnic slur). I am not proposing to call it a slur since it is apparently not always pejorative. Another possibility is to rename it to Bohunk, since that is apparently an approximately synonymous and more commonly used term and is more unambiguous, but the current article content seems more focused on hunky than bohunk. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink ( ) 21:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)JvkeJVKE – As far as I can tell, every source that is more reliable than Wikipedia itself refers to the subject exclusively as JVKE, and we should defer to common usage per MOS:TM. Additionally, the V in the name represents an upside-down A in the name Jake, a substitution which only works with capital letters; an upside-down a looks nothing like a v. If we reject the letter-case stylization, it would make more sense for us to reject any stylization whatsoever and insist on calling the subject by his legal name. Since we haven't done so, we should follow reliable sources. 151.132.206.250 (talk) 16:55, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Lambert-Meadowlands TrophyLambert Trophy (college football) – Unclear where the "Meadowlands" portion of this page title is coming from. The current trophy seems to be engraved with "The August V. Lambert Trophy" and it was historically referred to as "The Lambert Trophy" in news reports. Meadowlands? Unsure how to best disambiguate the page from Lambert Trophy but the page either needs to be moved or for an explanation to added about the "Meadowlands" name. PK-WIKI (talk) 18:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 21:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 16:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)CornucopianismCornucopian – In Google Ngram Viewer, "cornucopian" is much more common than "cornucopianism"[5]. Furthermore, Britannica chose "cornucopian" as its article title. Both titles are workable, but I find "cornucopian" preferable. The start of the article can say something like this: "A cornucopian is someone who X. The views of cornucopians are called cornucopianism." In Google Scholar, "cornucopian" finds 6,630 articles while "cornucopianism" finds 410 articles. If I understand WT:COMMONNAME correctly, the move I propose is in keeping with it. "Cornucopianism" is a result of a move from 1 June 2022, the rationale being the analogy with "W:Malthusianism". Was the move per some kind of policy? What is best per policy? Dan Polansky (talk) 08:13, 21 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 16:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mary I of EnglandMary I – The primary topic for Mary I is clearly the Queen of England. While I can understand if it refers tot the Queen of Scotland, but she is most commonly known as Mary, Queen of Scots. Interstellarity (talk) 00:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

November 27, 2022

  • (Discuss)Yamaha (disambiguation)Yamaha – "Yamaha" currently redirects to the Corporation, which implies that it is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. However, the Motor Company article has slightly more views, more edits, and is larger in size compared to the Corporation since 2015. There are also plenty of links to "Yamaha" that is actually intended for the Motor Company. I don't think just because the Corporation is the original and older company, it is necessarily the primary topic. Considering all of these, I could say that neither of the two is the primary topic, and the "Yamaha" redirect should now be the place of the disambiguation page. Engr. Smitty Werben 22:13, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)John SpataGjin Bua Shpata – The name John Spata is a mix of an anglicized variant which doesn't appear frequently in modern bibliography and the misspelling "Spata". In line with the choice in contemporary bibliography to use native names, I propose to rename the article to Gjin Bua Shpata. *"John Spata": 0-3 results (all of them may actually be unrelated) *"Gjin Bua Shpata": 37 results Maleschreiber (talk) 21:01, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Colorado Springs nightclub shooting2022 Colorado Springs nightclub shooting – Notable events, such as the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting and the Columbine High School massacre, are typically treated without numbers, because their topic transcends years and is still referenced as those common names, regardless of if Parkland, Florida or Columbine, Colorado had or hadn't experienced prior mass shootings. Unless the death count rises, there's no reason for this article to not have a number, per WP:NCE. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:26, 20 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink ( ) 19:41, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jay Scott (musician)Jay Scott (American musician)Incomplete disambiguation, as another article now exists about Jay Scott (Canadian musician), and it's not at all clear that this one is highly meganotable enough to outprimary the other one for the generic "musician". In fact, this one might not even be sufficiently notable to have an article at all, as his article is completely unsourced and is staking his notability on having been a session musician on a Grammy-nominated recording for which Scott was not personally the nominee in his own right (which is in no way "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from actually having to pass WP:GNG on the sourcing), so taking it to AFD might be appropriate if no sourcing can be found to bolster it -- but at the very least, he's not markedly more notable than the Canadian guy. And for added bonus, Jay Scott (singer) also exists as a redirect to a band that yet another musician named Jay Scott was associated with, and is also going to have to be repointed to Jay Scott (disambiguation) because of the Canadian guy, so there's even less basis to claim that the American saxophonist outprimaries both of them. Bearcat (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Buddha (disambiguation)Buddha – As has been discussed at previous move discussion at The Buddha, perhaps most pertinently here, there is a strong community sentiment that "Buddha" without the "the" has a multiplicity of potential meanings beyond that of "The Buddha" - the most prominent being the general sense of "buddha" lower caps, or "buddhahood", that draw into question the primacy of "buddha" alone (in the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC sense) as a term to mean first and foremost "The Buddha". Iskandar323 (talk) 08:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)IpswichIpswich, England – Not sure how the English city is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; for comparison, the town of Suffolk has a population of 179k (per the third paragraph), while the city in Queensland has a population of 232k. SHB2000 (talk) 02:28, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

November 26, 2022

  • (Discuss)LiquorDistilled liquor – The template on the article says to use American English, but terminology of title isn't American, and is ambiguous. "Liquor" in parts of the US, and in Canada, also has a broader sense of "any alcoholic drink", as described in the lede. "Hard liquor" (which currently redirects to "Liquor") is unambiguous American English for the distilled alcoholic drinks that are the topic of the article, and the term seems unlikely to confuse anyone else. A title like "Distilled liquor" (also currently a redir to "Liquor") would be ever clearer globally, but I think it is a bit less commonly used in the US. Since I think policy permits us to take that sort of trade-off, I'd prefer "Distilled liquor": I think it would be most understandable to everyone, including non-native-speakers of English. Leaving "Liquor" as a redirect makes good sense to me. Opinions? I'd note that some articles use "liquor" in the North American sense only, like Liquor license, and some use the "distilled" sense only, like Flavored liquor. This is fine. But some use it in both senses, like liquor store. It would be nice to have the main article very clear on its terminology to avoid confusion. HLHJ (talk) 23:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Catherine Mary WinslowCatherine Mary Reignolds – All of the scholarly literature is titled after her maiden name, Catherine Mary Reignolds, which was the name she was widely known by publicly. She never performed under her married name of Winslow, and only performed under the name of Catherine Mary Reignolds. We should follow the scholarly literature on this actress and use her stage/maiden name. 4meter4 (talk) 15:15, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Devin StoneLegalEagle – While Devin Stone is his real name, he is only really WP:NOTABLE for his YouTube channel. All the secondary sources on this article refer to him at least once as "Legal Eagle" and [12] doesn't even refer to him as "Devin Stone". Illuminati42 (talk) 01:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

November 25, 2022

  • (Discuss)The BuddhaBuddha – Current title does not meet either criteria at WP:THE: the definite article is not usually capitalized in running text and there is no question of separate articles for "Buddha" and "The Buddha". Srnec (talk) 21:03, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Skipping ropeRope skipping – Contrary to what the opening sentence might lead one to think, the article is primarily about the activity rather than about a type of rope. The suggested title seems more clear about that. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Dartington Morris MenDartington Morris – In the AGM in October 2021 of Dartington Morris Men the side voted to become an all-gender side, lifting the restriction to male dancers. The side changed its name formally to Dartington Morris at the October 2022 AGM. The title of the article needs to be changed from Dartington Morris Men to Dartington Morris to reflect this - but I don't appear to be able to do this. Martinjonesdevon (talk) 08:52, 9 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 19:09, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Multinational corporationMultinational company – Multiple sights of this page with regards to its history suggests that this title is right for this page. As controversial as it seems, the title of the page begins with "multinational company" with contrasting senses with "multinational corporation". Don't know what the rest of you guys think, but I think this title is right for this article. Intrisit (talk) 11:01, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Parallel ATAIDE (interface) – "Parallel ATA" is quite an uncommon name for this subject. IDE or PATA are way more common, but I it seems that IDE is the most common one. It's also used by different articles, so I suggest to use parenthesis disambiguation. A different one would be fine with me, this one seemed the most reasonable to me. PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:27, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Russian people's militias in UkraineCollaborationist Ukrainian Army – Russia and the puppet regimes have long since self claiming collaborator units are regular army instead of militias. And these units and are now openly being integrated into the Russian military. Also, Russian mandatory conscription now covers all Russian-occupied territories and the nature of these units are not volunteer groups. 罗放 (talk) 16:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:16, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SorbonneSorbonne (building) – The word "Sorbonne" in English since 1970 overwhelmingly refers to the successor schools to the University of Paris, and since 2018 to Sorbonne University (a.k.a "the Sorbonne" or "la Sorbonne"). While the Sorbonne University's name derives from the building, being the original sense of a word does not automatically confer PTOPIC status; cf. Watergate (redirects to Watergate scandal, not Watergate complex). When I Google "Sorbonne", it takes me till the second page to see a single result about the building, the fourth page to see a second one. Every link I've spotchecked in WhatLinksHere intends Sorbonne University or, if in a pre-1970 context, the University of Paris; but never the building. This should be moved to Sorbonne (building) and the redirect should be retargeted to Sorbonne University (or, second choice, Sorbonne (disambiguation) should be moved over the redirect). I'll note that the article does have one section that's not about the building, § Sorbonne name dispute. Move or no move, that should either be split off into its own article or merged with Sorbonne University Association into something like Successors to the University of Paris, as it is not within this article's stated scope. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 08:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:11, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Biennial flight reviewFlight Review – This article starts off by immediately stating that Biennial Flight Review is the old name for what is now simply called a Flight Review, based on "§ 61.56 Flight review". So for that reason, I would suggest this page be moved to Flight Review instead and have Biennial Flight Review redirect there, rather than the other way around. DanDawson (talk) 02:49, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

November 24, 2022

  • (Discuss)TrampoliningTrampoline & tumbling – Although FIG officially calls these events collectively "trampoline gymnastics", the more common terminology in English is Trampoline & tumbling (see [13]) with ampersand or T&T for short, because tumbling is part of competitions and does not involve a trampoline. "Trampoline gymnastics" is an ambiguous term because it often refers to trampoline only exclusive of tumbling (eg [14][15][16]). In fact, as far as I can tell "trampoline gymnastics" and "trampolining" more often refer to trampoline only than both trampoline and tumbling in reliable sources. (t · c) buidhe 20:30, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Murder of Don BanfieldDisappearance of Don Banfield – While there was a murder conviction, the conviction was quashed, and I'm not really sure that this is wise to keep framed as a murder from a WP:BLP perspective. There were certainly suspicious circumstances surrounding his death, including the two people initially convicted of murder admitting to fraud that's related to the disappearance and the lawyer admitting that it was likely that either Shirley or Lynette killed Don, but I don't like the phrase "murder" absent a valid conviction. WP:COMMONNAME might go against this (and is reasonable, given that this is how it was widely covered), but I think that the WP:CRITERIA (namely precision) would support this move. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 14:48, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2018 Moscow–Constantinople schismOrthodox schism (2018-) – I think it would be a good idea to move this article because the title is still too restricted ; indeed, the schism is no longer confined to a quarrel between Moscow and Constantinople but has developed. Moscow broke communion with other autocephalous Churches (Alexandria, Cyprus, Greece) and some of them broke communion in return. In this case, it is Alexandria ; it's inacurrate to leave Moscow-Constantinople when the extent of the schism is greater and Alexandria broke communion in return, which Constantinople did not. AgisdeSparte (talk) 13:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Killing of Caylee AnthonyDeath of Caylee Anthony – This article was retitled to "killing of" over "death of" earlier this year. WP:"Murder_of"_articles indicates this isn't correct. In fact it uses the Caylee Anthony case as its example for when "killing of" should not be used, quote: "In the death of Caylee Anthony, the prime suspect was put on trial for murder, and the public widely held beliefs of murder, but since this defendant was acquitted and legally can no longer be tried for murder, the case cannot be labeled as 'murder' under Wikipedia guidelines. Likewise such a case should also not be labeled as 'killing'." Shiningbell (talk) 07:41, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)John E. JamesJohn James (Michigan politician) – James has only been referred to as "John James" by most, if not all reliable sources, including himself. It is not Wikipedia's job to give an individual a unique name in order to differentiate them from a similarly named individual. EdrianJustine (talk) 06:11, 24 November 2022 (UTC)}

November 23, 2022

Elapsed listings

  • (Discuss)FM Consolidated lineFM Consolidation Line – According to the Aldag1 reference (p. 35), "Henry [Schmidt]'s name for the locomotive he had crafted, "The Consolidation Line", became "C-Line" about 30 seconds after he suggested it." The Kirkland book also refers to the locomotives as the Consolidation line. I'm a little hesitant to "be bold" and just do this as I haven't moved a page before and don't want to break things/irk people. Autonerd (talk) 02:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 10:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)PricewaterhouseCoopersPwC – After the merger in 1998, traded as [19] until it was rebranded in 2010 as [20]. Should the article now be renamed along the same lines as other organizations that have rebranded to trade using their initials, BP, IBM, KPMG etc? Twelve years after the rebrand, PwC is the WP:COMMONNAME. Zerlypte (talk) 20:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Backlog

  • (Discuss)Vere Street, Camden → ? – The location is not in the London Borough of Camden, and was not formerly in Camden. Westminster would be more accurate, but Vere Street, Marylebone is also in the City of Westminster. The article mentions "the Lincoln's Inn Fields area" but it was not in Lincoln's Inn Fields, only nearby. Would Vere Street, Aldwych be better? Peter James (talk) 12:40, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)MoringaMoringa (genus) – Besides referring to the genus, "moringa" is also the common name of one of the species, Moringa oleifera, which itself is probably more notable on account of its well established culinary uses. That species gets 3x more views than the genus, and it seems to be the intended target behind the majority of the incoming links to "Moringa" [21]. Still, I wouldn't call it a primary topic, and my preference is for the base title to be occupied by a dab page. – Uanfala (talk) 18:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Caramut, VictoriaCaramut – I boldly moved these a few months ago which was reverted by The Drover's Wife, redone by Cjhard and reverted again by The Drover's Wife. The ", Victoria" is unnecessary disambiguation. WP:NCAUST neither specifically endorses, nor disallows, the use of undisambiguated place names in Australia, stating "the name of a city or town may be used alone if the place is the primary or only topic for that name". With these three that is the case, they are not ambiguous with any other places or topics on Wikipedia. Including unnecessary disambiguation goes against WP:CONCISE and in my opinion WP:COMMONNAME since sources cited in these articles just use the town names. A7V2 (talk) 04:22, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hillcrest Primary School Tragedy (Australia) → ? – Contains an unnecessary disambiguator (no other such tragedy internationally to distinguish from), and non-standard capitalisation (of "tragedy"). People have been asking for an article name change since July but nobody filed until now. However, I can't come up with a better title myself. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)+ ++ + (Loona EP) – there are various more notable meanings for plus plus as shown on ++ dab page. So why Loona EP rather than just + + (EP)? Because it was reissued as X X (EP), so anyone hunting for it is not necessarily going to recognise "+ +" anyway. The inclusion of band name Loona is needed to pass WP:CRITERIA. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Permsky DistrictPerm District – This article was moved by Ymblanter in 2020 from Perm District to Permsky District on the grounds that "this is inconsistent with other three thousands articles on Russian districts". However, it is now inconsistent with the topic's namesakes Perm, Russia, Perm Krai and Perm Oblast. As the text & infobox of the article has not yet been edited to match its title, it seems worth recording a discussion on the name before doing that. – Fayenatic London 11:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)PGA European TourEuropean Tour – Despite being part of PGA, the European Tour’s naming has always been European Tour, now DP World Tour due to sponsorship reasons. It would be simpler as European Tour, both to search engines and to non-golf people, whom are often confused if it is a separate tour, which it is, despite regulated by the PGA. The Challenge Tour, 2nd tier of European golf, already follows what I suggest, a mere simplification. Wikisempra (talk) 18:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)DownhaulerDownhauler (album) – Presumably named after the windsurfing accessory? In any case real world rigging, windsurfing and cycling uses of downhauler would be primary, and are in GBooks, not an obscure Rhode Island folk album named after a downhauler. It's an album. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pakistani TalibanTehrik-i-Taliban PakistanAll five criteria under WP:TITLE should be referred to when choosing to name articles appropriately. WP:COMMONNAME notes that Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources. "Pakistani Taliban" isn't really the name of any organisation, but is rather just informal shorthand for the group known as Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. More significantly, the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan themselves don't refer to themselves as such, and neither do the vast majority of Pakistani sources including the Urdu press. If we look at the previous move request then you can see that the user used WP:GOOGLEHITS as an argument to change the name which is not good enough to warrant the name change, because going by the same argument, a search for "Pakistani Taliban" in Urdu (پاکستانی طالبان) returns 14,600 results whereas the name "Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan" (تحریک طالبان پاکستان) returns a staggering 547,000 results in comparison. To imply that it is way off the mark would be an understatement! 103.244.173.68 (talk) – Blocked for block evasion – 19:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 03:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

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