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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.)

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct page if you tried to move a page, and you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:".

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the top of the list, filling in pages and reason:
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason=reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

That's all for the badminton championships. Dicklyon (talk) 20:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrator needed

Contested technical requests

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

To request a single page move, click on the "New section" tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 06 December 2021" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the article:

Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

Note that the |1= unnamed parameter is not used, and that the |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 6 December 2021

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 22:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 6 December 2021

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 22:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 6 December 2021

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 22:41, 6 December 2021‎ (UTC)

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Any additional comments:

This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 6 December 2021

– why Example (talk) 22:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 6 December 2021

– why Example (talk) 22:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Commenting on a requested move

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting can be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures). When a discussion has been relisted a bot partially underlines the "Discuss" link in the lists of debates: (Discuss).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.


  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 49 discussions have been relisted, indicated by (Discuss)

December 6, 2021

  • (Discuss)39 MelachotMelakha – In Hebrew, "Melakha" is singular and "Melachot" is plural - per WP:PLURAL the singular is generally preferred, although this might fall under the "groups of specific things" clause to use a plural. Regardless, the numeral usage seems incorrect, though I can't find the exact rule it is violating. There is no common term or exact translation in English other than the transliteration so I don't see a WP:USEENGLISH alternative to propose. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 21:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. VR talk 22:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Trestle (disambiguation)Trestle – I believe the alternate proposal in the just-closed RM here obscured the consensus (though it seemed obvious to me) that there's no primary topic here (certainly there's no consensus as to what the primary topic is, if there is one!). So let's just move the disambig page to where it belongs, as proposed before. Dicklyon (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)PAIS AllianceMOVER Movement – A move was made which caused a lot of cut-and-paste moves and attribution issues. This has now been reverted and has resulted in this discussion. I have checked the history of this page and it seems sources attached to this diff suggest this party's name has changed. The question is now whether to move this page or create an entirely new page for the current group and reserve this title for the former. Jalen Folf (talk) 15:52, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Battle of Smolensk (1943)Smolensk operation – The term "Battle of Smolensk" in reliable English language sources appears to refer exclusively (or almost exclusively) to the 1941 battle. Even searches like "Battle of Smolensk" "September 1943" return almost exclusively results where "Battle of Smolensk" refers to the 1941 battle. In contrast, "Smolensk operation" refers mostly to the 1943 operation with no results for the 1941 battle. This article already primarily uses the term "Smolensk operation" and the article subject is not a single battle but rather an entire offensive operation. From Google Scholar it appears that most sources lowercase "operation". (t · c) buidhe 10:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 14:34, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)YangelʹYangel (crater) – English-language titles do not usually use Russian soft signs. The title of the article Mikhail Yangel, whom the crater is named after, does not use the soft sign either, although his original Russian name includes a soft sign. JIP | Talk 23:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 14:01, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Conscription in Great BritainConscription in the United KingdomGreat Britain is not a sovereign nation, the United Kingdom is. The article "Great Britain" states right at the start that Great Britain is a geographical entity, not a political one. The only reason this article was moved to its current title appears to be that there never has been conscription in Northern Ireland, but this can be mentioned in the article as a separate section or at the lead. JIP | Talk 13:03, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Steve Rosenberg (journalist)Steve Rosenberg – The BBC's Steve Rosenberg is clearly the primary topic according to pageviews, with a monthly average of ~1,862 views per month over the past five years, compared to ~119 for the baseball player. A search for "Steve Rosenberg"+"BBC" on GScholar brings up 124 hits compared to 34 hits for "Steve Rosenberg"+"baseball". No point even talking about the GNews hits which are going to be swamped by results from the BBC's interview with Lukashenko versus practically no recent coverage for the baseball player.
    Of course statistics should not be the only test, so let's look at subject of each page: one is a baseball player who played in the major league for less than three years (June 1988- May 1991) and who is of low, but not non-existent notability, since the main source in the article is, a statistic database, with some bare mentions in newspaper sources. The only actual WP:SIGCOV is the Sun Sentinel article and the Gainesville Sun article, which are both local newspapers.
    By contrast the BBC Rosenberg is a very high-profile journalist who has now been prominent for getting on 20 years, and continues to be prominent now. His coverage in reliable sources spans years, and is in national/international-level sources, and continues.
    Even allowing for recentism, it is clear that the BBC Rosenberg is likely to continue to be the primary topic per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here for many more years, and as such should not be in the disambiguated page. FOARP (talk) 11:47, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Italian unificationUnification of Italy – Both "Italian unification" and "Unification of Italy" are common names for the period in the 19th century during which Italy became a single state (see this Google Scholar search and this one). However I think that "Unification of Italy" would be more precise: "Italian unification" in principle can refer to Italians in general, while for "Unification of Italy" it is clear that this is about the creation of the country of Italy. See also Unification of Germany which happened during the same period, and is often compared by historians to the Italian case. Yakme (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Samuel of BulgariaSamuil_of_Bulgaria – There are no sources in Bulgarian that list his name spelled with an "e" instead of an "i". His name is still used today and people named after him use "i" in their passports too. Samuel is a needless westernisation of the real name of Tsar Samuil. Samuil should be the main page and Samuel should redirect to Samuil. Dyils (talk) 10:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)LunicKaitee Page – An IP has added text to this article, linking to the subject's website and indicating that they have reverted to working as Kaitee Page rather than Lunic: [8]. Rather than create a branched article as had been attempted (e.g. in this edit), which fails to maintain edit history attribution, it could be preferable to move the present article to Kaitee Page with a redirect from Lunic, unless anyone considers this inappropriate. AllyD (talk) 08:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)NWA PowerNWA Powerrr – Last discussed in February 2020. The spelling with three 'r's is used not only by the show's homepage on FITE [9] and the NWA website [10], but also by third-party sources such as these [11] [12] [13] [14], all of which are considered reliable sources per WP:PW/RS. 162 etc. (talk) 07:57, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

December 5, 2021

  • (Discuss)UranousUranium(IV) – In order to make this article more encyclopedic and less a WP:DICDEF, we should start by changing the title from an adjective to the stock nomenclature that would refer to U4+ by itself. Presumably, the end product will be similar to Iodide (I), unless U(IV) complexes should be discussed as well, then I would rename it to Uranium(IV) compounds and format it somewhat like Palladium(III) compounds. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 23:47, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Michael Peterson (criminal)Michael Peterson trial – To start off with this discussion, I will say this has been anything but an usual trial. There has been sustained coverage beyond the 2003 conviction with the The Staircase documentary. The first requested move was in June 2018 for "Death of Kathleen Peterson" which came to "no consensus" as opinions were split. There was an AfD for the Kathleen Peterson article concurrent with the RM. The AfD resulted in the article being redirected here. I believe this is when The Staircase aired on Netflix which piqued interest back into the case. A second requested move came from me in October 2018 for "Michael Peterson (author)" which came to "not moved" to which I admit my reasoning was poor. My request to move the page to "Michael Peterson trial" I think is a better option than its current place. The article and talk page history will at least show the use of "(criminal)" in the article name wishing for it to be moved but with no solid reasoning or consensus based on Wikipedia policies and guidelines. WP:CRIME states A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person. The discussion about the disambiguation to be novelist or author in the past has been solid on understanding Michael Peterson is not notable for his published works. Do understand the argument presented is not about whether or not he was a criminal. He is a convicted felon in the eyes of North Carolina. The focus should be kept on the trial as this is the item with sustained coverage. It minimizes repeated concerns of BLP violations or undue weight. Anything about his life throughout the trial up to his Alford plea can be covered in The Staircase which is a separate article. (I just realized there's also an upcoming miniseries) – The Grid (talk) 22:25, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)NP3 Arena (Sundsvall)Idrottsparken (Sundsvall) – According to WP:FOOTBALL, unsponsored names should be used where possible. Sponsored names should only be used if the stadium has only ever been known by a sponsored name. This is not the case with NP3 Arena, as it was known as "Idrottsparken" for over 100 years (1903–2005 and 2017). Mattias321 (talk) 22:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Biel CoA Ostoja → ? – The current title is needlessly cryptic. "CoA" apparently means "coat of arms" but such abbreviations have no place in article titles. I don't understand Polish, but I think the title of the Polish article means something like "Biel with the coat of arms of Ostoja". However, this seems like an awkward title to move the article to. Feel free to suggest a better name. JIP | Talk 21:37, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2021 Tbilisi Pride protests2021 attack on Tbilisi Pride – This event is not notable because there was a protest against the pride parade. Counter-protests commonly occur any time there is a pride demonstration, especially in Eastern Europe. It's only notable because of the violence that occurred. The word "attack" is commonly used on articles covering events that are notable for the violence aspect such as 2021 United States Capitol attack. "2021" is needed in the title for disambiguation as this is not the first time that Tbilisi pride events have faced violent attacks. (t · c) buidhe 21:11, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Offa, KwaraOffa, Kwara State – Another Nigerian city article that needs renaming. 'State' is a suffix that ends all Nigerian states. Since Kwara State is the name of the page where Offa is located, the correct title for this article should be 'Offa, Kwara State' or Offa, Nigeria'. Josedimaria237 (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Nagorno-Karabakh conflictArmenia–Azerbaijan conflict – There is two reason to move the article. First, the new name is much more WP:PRECISE. The conflict not only around Nagorno-Karabakh, but also (especially after the Second Karabakh War, but also earlier) between Armenia and Azerbaijan as a whole (one can recall Zangezur-Syunik etc). Second, the new title is more WP:COMMON name for this conflict. "Nagorno-Karabakh conflict" has become the common name for this conflict, used in many reliable sources and English publications on the subject [15], [16], [17], [18], [19] etc. The time has come to recognise that the present title simply does not reflect the reality on the ground. Northumber (talk) 13:01, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Google TVGoogle TV (service) – The "Google TV" brand is used to refer to three different things: a VOD service formerly known as Google Play Movies & TV (currently located at Google TV), an updated interface of Android TV often used interchangeably with the aforementioned app (currently located at Android TV § Google TV interface), and a defunct operating system for smart TVs axed in 2014 and sometimes confused for the aforementioned interface (currently located at Google TV (operating system)). A quick Google search for "Google TV" indicates that most people are looking for the Android TV interface (because it's the newest), but I'm not convinced that's there is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC among the three terms, plus I think pointing Google TV to the Android TV interface would only result in more confusion for casual readers. Just look at the numerous past discussions above. Therefore, I propose that this article be moved to Google TV (service), while Google TV becomes a WP:DAB page listing all three uses. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:49, 20 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Colonestarrice (talk) 05:22, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Queen Fabiola of BelgiumFabiola de Mora y Aragón – Fabiola is now deceased and the general practice for deceased consort per WP:CONSORTS is to refer to them by their birth name. I'm not sure the late Queen of the Belgians has achieved the same fame as Prince Albert, Empress Dowager Cixi, and Marie Antoinette, and so the general rule should apply to her. Векочел (talk) 05:19, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wang Yaoqing (actor, born 1974)Wang Yaoqing – The Taiwanese actor gets 30 views a day compared to 2 to 3 views a day for the opera singer.[24] "A topic is primary for a term...if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term," per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The point of disambiguation should be to get the reader to where he wants to go with the least amount of fuss. No one is searching for a disambiguation page.ThuDauMot (talk) 04:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

December 4, 2021

  • (Discuss)Israel and the apartheid analogyIsraeli apartheid allegation – This title better reflects the article content, which is the about the claim, allegation, or accusation that Israel is committing apartheid against the Palestinian population (whether as defined under international law, or in relation to the treatment of Black South Africans under apartheid). I would also support any variation on the proposed title, such as "Accusations of Israeli apartheid" etc. The current article title isn't much used outside of Wikipedia. (t · c) buidhe 21:03, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Moira BartonMoira Dingle – This is an Emmerdale characters who has been credited as Dingle longer that Barton so Dingle is the character’s common name. – Blanchey (talk) 15:15, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jersey City, New JerseyJersey City – I realize this may be a very controversial move, but since there is no other city with this name, I do not feel as if "New Jersey" should necessarily be in the article title. It is common knowledge that Jersey City is in New Jersey as it directly attaches to the largest city in the country, New York City. Recent gentrification in Jersey City's western neighborhoods are clearly revitalizing the city, giving it more of its own image in recent years. Since I realize how controversial this move is, feel free to give your opinion on the matter, thank you. 2601:8C:4580:63B0:0:0:0:C988 (talk) 05:20, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

December 3, 2021

  • (Discuss)MahikengMafikeng – Proposed to revert premature move to the new official name. This is per the article, which states that the town is "still commonly known as Mafikeng", as well as per Ngrams which shows that while use of Mahikeng has grown in recent years, Mafikeng is still the WP:COMMONNAME. BilledMammal (talk) 22:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kiev Day and NightKyiv Day and Night – I propose to use spelling "Kyiv" as the name of the city in the title, which is being used by reliable sources and is supported by the current consensus. The previous move was reverted with the reasoning that "The English sources write the TV show as "Kiev" Day and Night". However, none of the provided sources seem to classify as "english sources" to me: * [1] is not available anymore, however on the main page the website is titled "NewsBeezer; Be Upto Date With Latest News". I doubt that a website with a grammatical error in the title qualifies as a reliable source. * [2] is a video by Alexandr Shevchenko, who doesn't appear to be a native English speaker. * [3] is literally a machine translation of an article in Russian. Trying a web search to find a reliable source in English wasn't fruitful for me: aside from a bunch of the fan pages (supporting both Kyiv[4][5][6] and Kiev[7][8][9] spelling), all results were related to literally days and nights in Kyiv, not to the show. The show's page on the broadcaster's website isn't available in English, however its URL uses the "Kyiv" spelling ( Overall, there seem to be no reliable English sources, in particular, no reliable English sources supporting the independent usage of "Kiev Day and Night" in English (as opposed to a translation). Therefore, this article should follow the general rules on Kyiv/Kiev naming. Exlevan (talk) 00:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 16:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)LuluwaAclima – Aclima (and/or Kalmana) seems the most popular name in sources on this page, and is also the standard name used elsewhere on Wikipedia (e.g. the template used on this page). It was also the original name of the article, before being moved to Luluwa for unclear reasons Ar2332 (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 08:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 16:58, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Osteopathic medicine in the United StatesOsteopathic Medicine – Practitioners of osteopathy are categorized differently than practitioners of osteopathic medicine by the ILO; clear difference must be made between these two unrelated professions. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. ORdeDocsaab (talk) 07:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 16:57, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hori-san to Miyamura-kunHorimiya – While the official title of the series as a whole is "Hori-san to Miyamura-kun", the short name "Horimiya" appears to be more commonly used. It's the official name for the manga adaptation of the web comic, as well as the official title of the anime and live-action drama (as seen the URL of their respective sites). The anime community also seems to refer to it as "Horimiya" more often than by the full title, as seen by how the short title has more Google hits than the long form. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 09:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 16:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The Noble FamilyNosotros los Nobles – Or Nosotros Los Nobles. Alternatively, the other English title We Are the Nobles can be used if consensus agrees with it. However, if there's no consensus on using either English title, then per WP:DIVIDEDUSE, one of the titles (English or Spanish) must be "least surprising". or If most reliable sources use the Spanish title, then let's use the original Spanish title instead. George Ho (talk) 23:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC); expanded, 01:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 14:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 16:32, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Congregational mosqueFriday mosque – This page was renamed in March from Jama masjid to Congregational mosque based mainly on the desire to render the Arabic term into English, but the discussion, which unfortunately drew just two editors, was not exactly a shining example of broad consensus. I would like to re-open this and argue that, of the two principle academic translations for masjid al-jami, Friday mosque and the current Congregational mosque, we we should be favouring the former, based primarily on it being a more natural and concise term. A broad survey of the Google Scholar sources shows: 5,670 results for "Friday mosque" [27] and only 3,020 results for "congregational mosque" [28]. The Google books Ngram viewer also presents substantially more evidence of the use of "Friday mosque" [29] compared to "congregational mosque" [30]. This cursory approach aside, "Friday mosque" is clearly the simpler term, while "congregational" is a complete mouthful and obviously not something anyone ever says out loud outside of the dusty tomes of highly specialised academic literature. (To be honest, there is an equally good argument to be made that this page does not need to exist at all, since most mosques are for Friday prayers or "congregational", just in the same way that most churches are for holding congregations, i.e.: are "congregational, but for the moment this is by the by.) I open the question of the renaming to the floor. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:48, 22 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. No such user (talk) 13:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)GibsonGibson Brands, Inc. – This page should be moved simply because Gibson is just too common of a surname to be the namespace of a guitar company (just like how Ford was moved to Ford Motor Company) and then move the disambiguation page to 'Gibson'. There's also several places and other companies called Gibson. Perhaps someone can suggest a better title than 'Gibson Brands, Inc.', but I do believe it should be moved from its current namespace. Waddles 🗩 🖉 05:57, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

December 2, 2021

  • (Discuss)Greater BulgariaBulgarian irredentism – As far as I know, while some trends are common in Bulgarian irredentism, such as claiming North Macedonia, Dobruja, Thrace, or Greek Macedonia, there's no defined Greater Bulgaria with exact and precise borders. Super Ψ Dro 19:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)1946 Siamese general election1946 Thai general election – Siam was first renamed to Thailand in 1939 by the government of Plaek Phibunsongkhram (Phibun). Towards the end of World War II, Phibun was manoeuvred out of office by pro-Allied factions, and the country's official name was changed back to Siam in September 1945, though this was limited to international diplomatic use. Locally the name continued to be Prathet Thai, and the official international name was changed to Thailand again in April 1948. While these elections took place in that window, it would be simpler and less confusing to readers to refer to the country as Thailand from 1939 onwards. I haven't done an in-depth analysis, but the scholarly historical sources I've seen just discuss the elections within the country's larger historical context and don't make any kind of split at the name changes. There was also another election in August 1946, so the article about the January 1946 election should be include the month in its title for specificity. Paul_012 (talk) 17:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Julius Jones (criminal)Julius Jones (prisoner) – I think criminal is an insensitive/controversial title given the controversy and sensitivity surrounding his case. The whole reason his case has attracted international attention is because there is a reasonable doubt that he is guilty of any crime. This is a sensitive subject with strong opinions on both sides. Prisoner seems the more/most appropriate/neutral term to go with as that is effectively what he now is given the life without parole sentence. I believe now he's off death row he is probably not the primary topic anymore either and the page titled just Julius Jones should remain a disambiguation page. Inexpiable (talk) 16:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Olimpia Satu MareFC Olimpia Satu Mare – The phoenix club owned by Olimpia Satu Mare supporters (Olimpia MCMXXI Satu Mare) won in 2021 the historical brand of the club, FC Olimpia Satu Mare 1921 and became the official succesor of the old club. [32] 12:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)


  1. ^ Mancuso, Vinnie (December 1, 2021). "Exclusive: Guillermo del Toro Offers Update on His 'Frankenstein'-Inspired 'Pinocchio', Reveals Release Window". Collider. Archived from the original on December 2, 2021. Retrieved December 2, 2021.
El Millo (talk) 06:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)La VieLa Vie (weekly) – This weekly religious news magazine does not appear to be a primary topic. A cursory google search does not show that this is any sort of prominent topic [33]. I suggest the current title repoint to the disambiguation page la vie (disambiguation) , as there's also a Picasso painting by this name located at La Vie (painting) -- (talk) 03:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

December 1, 2021

  • (Discuss)Laura Bailey (voice actress)Laura Bailey – I believe this person is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for people with this name. Currently there are two others who share this name, Laura Bailey (footballer) and Laura Bailey (model). Looking at page views, on average this person gets as much as 20× more than the other two. This article also has 480 incoming links, double what the other two have at most. As far as long-term significance, I believe this person has that two as they have been voicing major characters in many notable TV series and video games for years now, where the other two don't appear to have such a career. Not to mention this article has over 150 references, more than ten times of that in the other articles. My only worry is all the links that will have to be corrected if this is moved. Link20XX (talk) 05:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Santa Claus paradeChristmas parade – such parades do not need, and do not always have a Santa. Santa may also not be called Santa either (ie. Father Winter, Father Christmas, etc). Or Black Peter without Santa, a parade with Elves or Mrs. Claus without Santa, etc. -- (talk) 22:04, 23 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)James Parnell SpearsJamie SpearsHe's the one who has been publicly known in the press as Jamie Spears for I would estimate 2 decades. Jamie Lynn Spears is not. He doesn't use his full name and neither should this article title. In fact, most if not all people wouldn't even know his full name is James Parnell Spears. Trillfendi (talk) 01:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hi, MomHi, Mom (disambiguation) – The 2021 film has 2500 views per day and the only reason the 1970 film gets 10 views a day is because it has a similar title to the 2021 film. The 2021 film is the third highest grossing film in the world in 2021. Considering the fact that there are only two articles with the words 'Hi Mom', I think the search of "Hi, Mom" or "hi mom" should default to the 2021 film page with a hatnote linking to the 1970 film article ("For the 1970 film Hi, Mom!, please see _____"). The 2021 film is the primary topic. Marty2Hotty (talk) 01:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)EmjejaneHectorspruit – Article appears to have been prematurely moved to the new official name. Ngrams registers no use for "Emjejane", but continued use for "Hectorspruit", while news results from the past year returns seven articles referring to the town as "Hectorspruit" and none referring to it as "Emjejane" BilledMammal (talk) 00:52, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

November 30, 2021

  • (Discuss)ZürichZurich – "Zurich" is the WP:COMMONNAME in English-language sources for the city. This can be seen in ngrams; while there are a number of other entities by the name Zurich, all are comparatively obscure, and many are directly related to the city (airport, lake, etc), and the difference is significant enough that these other uses are unlikely to have tainted the results. This matches use by major English-language news agencies; Reuters, Associated Press, BBC, The Guardian, Bloomberg, The New York Times, and The Washington Post, among many others. This will also make the article meet other aspects of WP:CRITERIA such as WP:CONSISTENCY, with others such as the lake being at "Zurich", having been moved following a recent RM where the possibility of moving the city was raised. BilledMammal (talk) 22:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sultan Ahmed MosqueBlue Mosque – This building is almost universally titled the "Blue Mosque" first, and Sultan Ahmed mosque second, and is the most famous and well-known example of a 'Blue Mosque'. Google blue mosque, you will see this mosque. Google scholar blue mosque, you will see this mosque. Even Turkish sources, when speaking to an international audience use "Blue Mosque" first, e.g.: [37]. I recommend this page becomes the place that Blue Mosque directs to, and the main mention on the Blue Mosque (disambiguation) page. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Mannysoloway (talk) 03:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

November 29, 2021

  • (Discuss)Taxman (disambiguation)Taxman – I came across this again when looking at the Tier 3 RM last October. A WP:DABTEST was set up as a result of the RM last year and it can be seen that the Taxman (occupation) link got 30 views compared with 5,341 for the song article. Given around maybe 95% of readers get to the article they want the 1st time from Google and links its quite possible more than 10% of readers wanted the occupation alone. Although I have clicked on the hatnote several times in the past I haven't used it in months therefore none of those 30 views were from me however its possible on the other hand readers wanting the song clicked the hatnote out of interest though some readers looking for the occupation or other uses may have given up. Among topics with the exact title "Taxman" the views are 5,341 for the song, 602 for the film and 155[[38]] for the video game meaning the domination there is just above 1 to 7. When you look at the other uses you get a negative number. I'd also point out the the other Wikipedias that have a DAB have the DAB at the basename namely It, Nl and Sk. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Dunutubble (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC) Dunutubble (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

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  • (Discuss)Great West Road, Zambia → ? – This road has actually never been referred to as the Great West Road from any source and as such, the name Great West Road has been deemed not acceptable by some. Chils Kemptonian (talk) 22:07, 13 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. FOARP (talk) 21:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Andalusian classical musicAndalusi classical music – "Andalusia" and "al-Andalus" are not the same. The current title is a big inaccuracy. While the music of Andalusia is influenced by that of al-Andalus, they are also clearly distinct. A previous RM about this was closed as no consensus, but I see nobody opposed to the change from Andalusian to Andalusi. Only one user, Solidest, opposed to removing "classical" from the title, which two other users objected to. Thus, at the very least, this article should be renamed to "Andalusi classical music". "Music of al-Andalus" could also be an option, but this genre has been alive for centuries now outside of what is now Spain. Super Ψ Dro 17:08, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

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