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'H.L.A. Hart' Biography Entry - Article 'Law and Fact'Edit

A team called 'Hartteam' edited the wiki page on H.L.A Hart, and added some information to his biography. There they added four articles he published during his early time. 3 of them I can find, but the 4th, titled 'Law and Fact', I cannot find mentioned anywhere. Is there a possibility to contact the person who made the addition to the wiki page, to ask for a citation or the article itself?

Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1c01:2f07:3f00:48e9:a2b7:46ac:2e29 (talk) 17:23, 7 August 2018‎ (UTC)

Hello 2001:1c01:2f07:3f00:48e9:a2b7:46ac:2e29 and welcome to the Teahouse. A belated welcome, it seems.
The way to contact a Wikipedia editor is to leave a message on their talk page, in this case User talk:Hartteam. The editor may have email notifications set and will see your message in a short time - or, they may not see your message until the next time they log in. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 09:14, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Need advice to improve Performance fabricsEdit

Hello, Teahouse Greetings of the day! I am here to seek your help once again for suggestions and your kind advice forPerformance fabrics, copying here some recently exchanged messages for your immediate understanding of the concern.

Hi Roxy, appreciate your observations.i have added the required references to the chart, The basic difference between Fabric and Performance fabric is performance.which is enhanced in these fabrics. Don't hesitate to ask me again ThanksRajiv Sharma (talk) 17:44, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I have moved this reply to Rajiv's talk page, where I opened the discussion. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 19:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC) Roxy, the dog. hello, I will add more sources, and for your queries 1. You asked ..So exactly what performance do you mean...and enhanced from what state? @@Performance, it is about the attributes of the fabrics totally opposite in a manner to achieve added functionalities (Interestingly these added attributes enhance the scope of use of those fabrics) @@enhance from what state....The added properties/performances do not belong originally to those fabrics but they are enhanced by different things see the definition.And properties of fabrics basically belongs to their origin and their polymers and polymer structure etc. But in this case, these properties are engineered to achieve added advantages. Examples of Polyester which is hydrophobic becomes water-loving(makes it useful for sportswear) and cotton is possible to behave water repel(You must have seen types of denim claiming rain guard, stain repel ) I tried to answer everything but you are welcome any time, don't stop asking, One last thing should we improve the definition part, please advise thanksRajiv Sharma (talk) 01:57, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

User:RAJIVVASUDEV, you have used a lot of words to say almost nothing. The only meaningful remark is that these fabrics purportedly make polyester hydrophilic, and cotton hydrophobic. Please address Roxy's concerns in a more direct way. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:02, 12 August 2018 (UTC) Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk)Hi let me elaborate it little more without repeating what is performance and enhancement, Performance fabrics they are purposefully manufactured to meet the conditions(sometimes extreme) with a predetermined objective. The originally owned properties of those fabrics also remain important in the whole consideration. Allow me to redefine and add some more relevant sources,Drift from Nike is a more convincing example anyway thanks, Please advise me about definition part which is revised now.Thanks again. Rajiv Sharma (talk) 02:39, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

I give up. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:49, 12 August 2018 (UTC)— Preceding text originally posted on User talk:Roxy the dog#Performance fabrics

I know my explanations are technical and not understandable easily,need your help and Roxy to improve the things,that is why we are here.I have added sources,hopefully more convincing and reliable.Please comment .ThanksRajiv Sharma (talk) 06:40, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello RAJIVVASUDEV and welcome to the Teahouse.
I think you need to go back to the talk page of the article, at Talk:Performance fabrics and work out with other editors what sort of references should be added to the article. As best I can tell, you are inserting references that, at best, relate only tangentially to the statements that you are intending to support. If you want to improve the definition, and are finding some resistance, the talk page is also the place to put forward your suggested improvement and justify it. If you are not getting enough participation on the talk page, you may need to start an RfC or other steps to get more widespread input. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 06:55, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
RAJIVVASUDEV: the problem with your explanations of the term performance fabric is not that they're "technical and not understandable easily". It's that they're vacuous, they don't say anything.
If someone writes of a "performance car", he's probably referring to its acceleration and top speed, and not its capacity or comfort. But I've no idea what you mean by "performance fabric". Maproom (talk) 08:02, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
@RAJIVVASUDEV: I was looking to find an article named Engineered fabrics for contrast but such a page does not yet exist. A Google search indicates that this term is frequently used for fabrics that have been treated with chemical coatings to alter their characteristics. I realize that you started the Performance fabrics page a couple of years ago, but it remains problematic. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 08:58, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Well noted all,Thanks for your adviceRajiv Sharma (talk) 09:09, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

— jmcgnh @jmcgnh you are right! actually there are few things which are recently introduced in textiles like wearable technology,e-textile, And Perfomance fabrics is one of them.henceforth information,knowledge and sources are limited, and the available information is very much confusing and misleading.I sincerely want wikipedia as an authentic source of knowledge for the concerned readers.Hopefully you got my point.ThanksRajiv Sharma (talk) 10:08, 12 August 2018 (UTC) Maproom (talk)@Maproom got your point but primarily fabrics are for comfort and protection only.Please identify and inform what are the other areas to be improved except definition?ThanksRajiv Sharma (talk) 09:58, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

R - please, no bold text. What I see at the article is that you worked on it a lot in 2015, and recently (August) lengthened it significantly. I expected to see more discussion at the Talk of the article rather than individuals' Talk pages and here at Teahouse. Please be civil. Writing "I know my explanations are technical and not understandable easily" is condescending toward the people who are/were trying to help. David notMD (talk) 11:19, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

David notMD (talk) Got it,Bold was unintentional.correcting the same and for technical and all..I was never meant like that. ThanksRajiv Sharma (talk) 12:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I just discovered this. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 11:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rajiv, How are Performance Fabrics different from Technical textile, which is a page detailing various forms of clothing that are not worn for aesthetic purposes, but for a function? Kindly go over that page and revert with comments. If your content improves that page, then that's better, yeah? ModerationIsTheKey (talk) 06:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Performance fabricsEdit

Need Help Hi! greetings of the day, Sir i have made few revisions and improvements,Please review the same, need help how to improve further.ThanksRajiv Sharma (talk) 04:57, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Rajiv Sharma I've moved your question from the Teahouse talk page to this page. The Teahouse talk page is for discussing things related to the running of the Teahouse; it's not really the place for posting questions such as this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
It appears that you are already discussing this at Talk:Performance fabrics#Performance fabrics with Roxy the dog. Article talk pages are usually the best places for such discussions because it makes it easier for other editors who might be interested in the subject matter to participate in the discussion. However, you need to be patient because editors occasionally get busy and might not immediately respond to your posts. Personally, although I think the changes you made were probably done in good faith, I don't think that huge image gallery you added to the article is really an improvement and actually makes the article worse than it would be without it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Good grief. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 11:44, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
The gallery of huge photos is gone, and the article is now being mulled over at AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Performance fabrics. David notMD (talk) 20:50, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Private Spaceflight, 1971 early "Project Harvest Moon" NEED A MENTOR.Edit

I am 87 years old, was the instigator of this project, and feel it should be recorded on Wikipedia. There is a Wall Street Journal article verifying its existence, but I don't know how to upload it.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks, George Van Valkenburg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quickscan1 (talkcontribs) 22:15, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello User:Quickscan1 and welcome to the Teahouse.
I found a couple of mentions, including this one Lost in Space: The Fall of NASA and the Dream of a New Space Age By Greg Klerkx p175 which could be the starting point for an article. This other mention, at probably can't be used. Someone with access to a newspaper database could probably track down the WSJ articles you remember. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 22:43, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, George. I did not find the Wall Street Journal article, but I found one that mentions you,[1] a syndicated article that was picked up by many small newspapers,[2], an AP release, also widely distributed,[3] several by LaMont,[4] and a status report in November[5]. Hope these help. [LATER] All the references ended at the bottom of the Teahouse page. Sorry about that. I don't know how to move them. Someone else may help.Anobium625 (talk) 16:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC) Someone did. Thanks.Anobium625 (talk) 18:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

This might actually be enough for a stub article. If further sources can be found, including perhaps this elusive Wall Street Journal article, this might very well be a worthwhile article to create. Anobium625, do you have external links to any of the sources you cited? Or are they all offline? —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 08:25, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I happen to have a couple newspaper accounts (NY Times and another), so I looked for "Harvest Moon Project" in 1971 and found these articles. Anyone with a US newspaper account ought to be able to find the syndicated articles. I didn't have access to the Wall Street Journal, and I didn't look at 1972. Anobium625 (talk) 14:57, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Nøkkenbuer Not sure what "external links" are. I have now found a dozen citations, although some overlap, and the topic is interesting, so I may create a (very) short article. For further discussion, I'll go to your Talk page. Anobium625 (talk) 15:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, Anobium625, "external links" is a bit of wiki jargon. By "external links", I mean URL hyperlinks to those external sources. For example, if you found the source on, that link is an external link. It can either be linked directly or linked with some markup, such as [ source 1], which renders as source 1.
Given what you said, my guess is that they are paywalled. Nonetheless, if you have a generic URL to the paywalled source, such as one which would display as a paywall to us non-subscribers (an example would be this one, taken from Veganism), that can be helpful here. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 15:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ Nugent, Tom. "Civilians Want a Spaceship." Detroit Free Press. July 6, 1971. 1-2.
  2. ^ E.g. Considine, Bob. "Proposed Lunar Voyage for Public." Post Star (Glens Falls, NY). August 14, 1971. 4.
  3. ^ E.g. Benedict, Howard. "Rover May Receive New Life Someday." Corpus Christi Caller Times. August 7, 1971. 6A.
  4. ^ LaMont, Sanders. "Harvest Moon a Serious Plan." Florida Today (Cocoa, FL). September 19, 1971. 3E.
  5. ^ Goldwyn, Ron. "Harvest Moon Trip Backed." Dayton (OH) Daily News. November 17, 1971. 10.

How to Proceed with MediationEdit

Recently, I submitted a mediation request that seems to have "vaporized". In following up on this, I was advised by a Wikipedia volunteer to: "I like to urge you to try asking for help with the tea house before resorting to the more formal approach of mediation. (One of the challenges of mediation is that all parties have to agree to participate and that's not always the case.)" Consequently, I am here.

The mediation concern pertains to this Wikipedia page:

My user ID is TheBlackMark.

I believe that references to Trump/Pence should be deleted as empty facts. The editor who is the originator of this text does not appear to be willing to modify his text. I do not wish to become involved in a revert war. Therefor I am seeking mediation for resolving this concern.

TheBlackMark (talk) 17:49, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I looked at the content disagreement and the current text and think it's a good compromise.
There was much debate on whether parallels could be drawn between the series (and by extension, the book it is based on) and American society during the Presidency of Donald Trump.
There are numerous sources that point out the timing of the program and the current administration. The reader can read the sources that are listed for more background. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:06, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I guess that I am "swimming against the tide". This is an "empty fact", in that this controversy is simply being manufactured by a political group to generate controversy to push their agenda. It is not is not a a controversy (discussion) between two groups that have a differing opinion concerning how to interpret the meaning of The Handmaid's Tail. Jdavi333 noted, "The fact that some opinion writers are reading more into this than mere coincidence just does not fit in to the encyclopedic purpose of Wikipedia.". My edits were proposed to further the "encyclopedic purpose of Wikipedia". Well thank-you for responding.
TheBlackMark (talk) 01:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Regarding, this apparent political agenda-pushing, even if what you say is true, that does not matter much because Wikipedia's purpose is to summarize the reliable sources according to their notability and noteworthiness to provide a compendium of all current human knowledge. That information appears to be within the latter scope and furthers that purpose, however infinitesimally. Maybe some cabal is gaming the system to get these "empty facts" inserted through (unwitting) editors, but that is beyond the scope of this project and the mere fact that they are biased sources is not grounds for exclusion, especially since the Neutral point of view policy applies to you, not the content (essay). Moreover, given that social commentary and analysis using the series is generally within the scope of that article, your claim that it is an "empty fact" is unclear. In principle, everything on Wikipedia is so; it's the context and sourcing that gives it meaning and veracity—and determines its inclusion.
With that said, TheBlackMark, the strongest rule-based rationale you can probably provide in these circumstances are along the lines of due weight, particularly on the point that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. After cursorily reviewing the issue and the article as of this revision, however, I personally suspect that would not be a persuasive argument. It does not persuade me. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 09:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC); edited 09:53, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
As I stated before, I am "swimming against the tide". Based on the comments that I have received, not much point in continuing to advocate for the removal of the pointless references to Trump/Pence. Thank-you for responding. TheBlackMark (talk) 19:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Citing a source more than onceEdit

I note that on many pages a source is cited more than once and the reference number remains the same, but the reference list recognizes the subsequent citations with a, b, c… How is this done? Anobium625 (talk) 02:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Anobium625. There are a number of ways to cite the same source multiple times in an article, but the way you7re seeing it done is explained in WP:REFNAME. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt reply.Anobium625 (talk) 02:50, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Anobium625: there are a few ways to do this. Two ways I use are 1) giving the reference a name: "this is true<ref name="source">{{cite book|...}}</ref> and that is true<ref name="source" /> and 2) using {{sfn}} to give short references to a different page number within a reference I've already used. I'd be happy to help more if I can. You're welcome to ask a question on my talk page or at the teahouse. I've found referencing a surprisingly deep subject and the best way to learn it has been to look at the source of good articles. There are all kinds of tricks to pick up. › Mortee talk 02:52, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, too! If I'm not successful, I'll get back to you for more help.Anobium625 (talk) 03:03, 14 August 2018 (UTC) Got it! Cf. Constance Savery, if interested.Anobium625 (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up to Help me guys im poor but need a ghost typerEdit

anyone able to write a Article about Icynexstar i have pictures and info all i need is someone who has the time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icynexstar (talkcontribs) 15:03, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

  • @Icynexstar: - the original request is archived here, and was responded to by yours truly. The answer remains the same, so I will copy and paste it here in hopes (perhaps futile) of more comprehension and engagement on behalf of the OP - In relation to your query, I am afraid that you are likely out of luck. You appear to have a common misunderstanding of Wikipedia. We don't write "wikis" about people who ask for one. We write encyclopedic articles about subjects which satisfy the notability guidelines, using citations from reliable sources. A google search shows that you don't satisfy our threshold for notability, as your web presence is minimal beyond self-created Genius pages. Moreover, having you have a conflict of interest in editing matters related to yourself and your corpus of work, and shouldn't seek an autobiography. Besides, an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. As such, alas, an article about you is not a possibility in the foreseeable future. However, with improved penmanship and grammar, and perusal of our pillars, you could become a valuable contributor to Wikipedia, and I urge you to attempt to do so. Hope this helps, and don't hesitate to ask any further questions. The answer, similar to the question, is unchanged. Hopefully, you will need it this time. It is worth noting that editors are unpaid volunteers, and have no obligation to edit outside of topics which interest them. Thus, being poor won't coerce people to pen a promotional puff-piece on your behalf. Nonetheless, perhaps in can, I hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 15:16, 14 August 2018 (UTC).
    If it's any consolation, Icynexstar, once you have made a name for yourself as a musician, perhaps some fan or other editor will create an article about you then. If you are indeed an upcoming rapper, then over time you may become notable enough to have an encyclopedic article written about you.
    With that said, be thankful you don't have an article about yourself yet; if you ever do, it will not be within your control and will serve as a place for documenting your public life. Many notable subjects do not like having articles about themselves, especially since certain personal information and controversies are often documented there, too. We occasionally find musicians and celebrities creating accounts to delete content from biographies about them, only for that content to be restored minutes later because the inclusion of that information is not their decision. Perhaps one day, you will be faced with that curse of fame, but until then, focus on your art and let it speak for itself. If it's good enough, others will notice it and write about you without you having to ask. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 14:01, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Help with referencesEdit

I am FARRR too lazy to use refernces, so can you add some sort of auto ref system? Addust (talk) 21:54, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh dear, Addust. Maybe Wikipedia won't suit you then! References really are essential for Verifiability to support almost everything we add to this encyclopaedia, and simple opinions (and silly comments in articles) will swiftly get removed. Did you realise that many references to books, newspapers and websites can be automatically inserted using the Visual Editor. It's more WISYWIG than our source editor, though many long-term editors do tend to prefer the latter. If you need help with this, just let us know. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:30, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Even using the source editor, most references are straightforward when the "cite" templates are used. It's just a matter of filling in a few boxes in "cite web", "cite news", "cite book", or "cite journal" template. People who turn to Wikipedia for information deserve to know the sources of that information. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:01, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
You still have to use references, but Wikipedia:REFILL can be a help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

REPLY from Addust: You could just add it so if you add the name of an arcticle in an edit, it automatically becomes a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Addust (talkcontribs) 08:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:REFILL is a bit like that. You add the bare url between the reftags <ref></ref>, save the page and then use the refill tool. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:46, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Addust blocked. David notMD (talk) 10:36, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh well, one can only try. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:18, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


someone help me enter the the template infobox bus accident to the article 2018 kiryandongo bus accident — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rollback95 (talkcontribs) 05:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

@Rollback95: could you explain what help you need? There's an infobox on 2018 Kiryandongo Bus Accident already, which you added and another editor moved to the top of the article. What's the current problem? › Mortee talk 10:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

SEO tools listEdit

Hi, I was just wondering why the page called "List of SEO tools" redirects to Search Engine optimization#Methods - there is no real mention of tools to use here. A list like this is a bit hard to find. Everyone is posting their preferences, but there is no definitive, informative list of everything on the market. And I do believe an informative list like this would be helpful to many people. So, since there are other lists on Wikipedia, my question is - why not this one?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CorraNoire (talkcontribs) 09:19, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Such a list would be a magnet for promotional editors wanting to use Wikipedia as advertising for their SEO tool. See WP:NOTADVERTISING, WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. IffyChat -- 10:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
CorraNoire We can only have such a page if independent reliable sources have published such lists. If not, it's not a notable topic. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:27, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Hello CorraNoire and welcome to the Teahouse.
If you examine the history of List of SEO Tools, you'll see that in 2010 or so, there was an attempt at an article. It was turned into a redirect because the article was unreferenced and too incomplete to be considered useful. And it is never Wikipedia's goal to have a list of "everything on the market". Opinions about SEO as an activity are quite varied and the Methods section mentions the distinction between "black hat" and "white hat" approaches. That sort of controversy is going to make creating a list on WP rather hard. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 10:34, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Advice sought for connecting references with the statements they supportEdit

I recently introduced an error into Wikipedia trying to add to the arcticle Scrabo Tower. I went to the local library, found some books talking about it, returned home and added some text to the article, then added in-line citations but got it wrong by mixing up my sources. Obviously, I must be more careful and take detailed notes when at the library. Nobody noticed and I found out later when I went back to the library to add a page number that I had forgotten to mention. I then added quotes in the citations, but that seems not to be often done in Wikipedia. I find that often, even when citing a page in a source, it does not really become clear which statement in the source substantiates which statement in the article. Do you have advice for me? With many thanks Johannes Schade (talk) 10:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Johannes Schade thank you for your diligence in correcting that mistake. Adding quotations in ordinary references is often unnecessary, since a reference is typically a news article or a couple of pages of a book, and it's reasonable to expect a reader to look over the whole thing if they're interested in following up a claim on Wikipedia. That said, it can be useful particularly if the statement in the source is oblique. It's really up to you how much you want to use them. My suggestion would be to generally not give quotes, but put them in where you feel they add value. I'm sorry not to be more specific. For what it's worth, I've looked over to your edits to Helen's Tower and I think you've improved that article greatly. Welcome to Wikipedia! › Mortee talk 22:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
As someone who often uses the |quote= parameter in CS1 templates, I maintain a somewhat different position. For me, brief quotes help provide immediate context and assists readers in finding that context in the original source. This is especially helpful for readers who are curious enough to check the citation, but not invested enough to follow it to the source.
With that said, the only times most editors will clamor for a quote is in the case of non-English sources (please translate it!), offline sources, and paywalled sources. In all cases, it's a matter of accessibility and verifiability. Beyond that, it's really a matter of editorial discretion and preference. I have occasionally had quotes I have included in citations removed or reverted, especially long paragraphic quotes from online news articles, but most stick. The only downsides I can see, beyond superfluity, is a bit of byte bloat and larger reference sections with bulkier citations. Other than that, it's basically a just another way some editors, such as myself, tend to cite sources. If you prefer to quote some context, go for it. If anyone finds it objectionable or excessive, I am confident they will let you know.
Alternative methods of adding quotes include using {{efn}}s, adding {{Quote}}s within the reference (but outside any CS1 or CS2 template!), and adding them in the main article text in various ways. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 11:11, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Absolutely. I agree with all of that, just tend to use quotes less often myself. Very good point that they're particularly helpful where the original source is not in English or is otherwise inaccessible. › Mortee talk 13:46, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Removal or renaming of contentEdit

There is a page on the Isle of Man Portal referring to "Manx Electricity Authority:

This no longer exists.... the service is now called Manx Utilities as its both Water and Electricity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I've updated the article to note this. However in future, if you see things like this you should consider being bold and making the changes yourself. Everyone is welcome to make constructive changes to Wikipedia! Neiltonks (talk) 16:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Help reviewing potential article for creationEdit

Hi, thanks in advance for taking time to read my question! I am working as a paid contributor to submit a page for on behalf of j2 Global. I have ensured that the copy is factually, neutrally written and well sourced. My previous attempt to submit the page was nominated for Speedy Deletion for lack of notability and was indeed deleted quickly. I have worked to improve the article, and would like to resubmit, but I am hoping I can get someone to review the article first to provide any input and feedback. I have discussed this personally with other Wikipedia editors that I know to get some feedback, which I've incorporated, but I'm hoping to get some fresh eyes and input before I submit again. What is the best way to approach this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mixedmediamaven (talkcontribs) 15:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Mixedmediamaven. Thank you for declaring your status. You don't seem to have created a draft since your previous draft was deleted, so there is nothing to review. If you mean that you are hoping to get somebody to review it outside of Wikipedia, then I for one would not be interested in doing so: that is not how we work here. Frankly, if you are asking for that, and also noting the number of your contributions to date, I don't understand how you can in conscience represent yourself as somebody who is competent to edit Wikipedia for pay. I'm sorry to be blunt, but I think that honesty is more useful in this context. If I am misreading the situation, I apologise. --ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. Thank you so much for your reply, and I apologize for any confusion; I have not yet published the draft but do intend to do so in order to have it reviewed. To eliminate any further confusion, I have submitted the draft to my sandbox. I would certainly not ask or expect anyone to do so outside of Wikipedia. I was not sure if there was a better (more preferable to other editors) method for getting it looked at before actually submitting to AfC.

My contributions are indeed limited with this account as this will be my first paid contribution. I have contributed to Wikipedia as a volunteer in the past, but wanted to be sure to be completely by the book in terms of this entry. My uncertainty for this project is mainly centered in wanting to ensure that everything I do is aboveboard, transparent, and in keeping with Wikipedia's standards. I truly appreciate your honest and direct feedback, as it's exactly what I'm in search of. --Mixedmediamaven (talk) 02:18, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying, Mixedmediamaven. Submitting for review is exactly the way to do this: there is no point in trying to get a draft reviewed before it is reviewed. There is no opprobrium in submitting a draft for review several times, as long as it is clear that the submitter is taking note of the reasons why it was declined, and working to ameliorate them. --ColinFine (talk) 10:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Mixedmediamaven I don't know how you get from "Mark ran his own successful telecommunications business, A US company,, wanted to buy it and so when they made him a good offer Mark sold out." (source) to "The first service branded as eFax was created by British-born entrepreneur Mark Oglesby in early 1997, providing a service to integrate email with existing fax technology. Oglesby eventually sold his domain to, which at the time was owned by JetFax" (your draft) without inserting unsourced information. It looks to me like you're trying to find sources to fit what the subject would like the article to say. That's a strategy that is doomed to fail. Vexations (talk) 10:53, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Does a college course offered as part of a graduate program at an accredited program qualify as a notable subject for an article??Edit

I am a teaching assistant for a course being taught at a large public college in the US. My professor has asked me to research the possibility of creating a Wikipedia article for the class that could be used as a reference by the students in the class. I am wondering if this would qualify as a "notable" worthy topic for an article. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhns 03 (talkcontribs) 17:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Lhns 03. The question I would ask is, which reliable published sources (such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers) have contained extended information about your course, not deriving from anybody connected with the course? If, as I expect, the answer is "None", then your course is not notable and not a suitable subject for a Wikipedia article.
I'm not quite clear what you're trying to achieve: I'd be very surprised if your professor accepted references to Wikipedia articles in assignments, as Wikipedia is not a reliable source, being edited by anybody. If your professor wants somewhere for you all to communicate among yourselves, a wiki might be a way of doing it, but not Wikipedia. You might want to take a look at WP:Educational program. --ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Lhns 03, the link ColinFine meant to give you is actually WP:Education program. I have created a redirect Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 00:04, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

how do i include a reference/link that backs up what i wrote and how does the corresponding number get added in the text, newbie here on wiki.tyEdit

how do i include a reference in the list below a page and the number in the text that corresponds with it? a newbie here so i got little experience yet with wikipedia. thanks for any advice. bryan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dutchmzungu (talkcontribs) 17:52, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Dutchmzungu, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read referencing for beginners both for how to add references, and how to identify acceptable sources to reference. --ColinFine (talk) 18:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I also added a quick little something to his talk page, since it's something that I use. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

article's quality classificationEdit

Hi people! I'm just trying to find an article that describes the article's quality classification. Does anybody could help me? Thank you. Greetings Lu Brito (talk) 17:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Content assessment – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 17:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion of external linkEdit

I tried to include, in the article about John Michael Greer, a page which I maintain, listing his works. The article has a history of discussion about providing a list of his works; I decided that a good compromise would be to include a list maintained outside of Wikipedia. However, the inclusion was reverted by an automated system. Is there anything that can be done to make this external site compliant?

--Packshaud (talk) 18:48, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey Packshaud. The link addition was reverted because wordpress is essentially just a blogging service, and blogs are generally not to be linked to according to policy except in a few circumstances, such as when the blog is written by a recognized authority on the subject. GMGtalk 19:29, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

how to publishEdit

Hi there, I have been trying to publish this article since yesterday with no success I am also trying to upload a picture, I can't even see where This is so confusing. Who can help ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LongShotCandidate (talkcontribs) 19:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I recommend you read WP:Your first article and the instructions in the File Upload Wizard. — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 21:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
It looks like you are asking about User:LongShotCandidate/sandbox. Just click the "submit your draft for review" button I added. You should still read the pages above before submitting, to see if the page meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 21:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
By the way, if you intend to submit an article about "Jean-Philibert Mabaya Gizi Amine" then that should be the title, not LongShotCandidate. Really. David notMD (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
The draft article is unsourced, and the subject may have challenges meeting Wikipedia's notability standards, from what I can find about him. You might also want to read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Candidates. Unless he's elected, it would also be a case of WP:TOOSOON. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
timtempleton, the draft says that this person has been an elected Senator in the Democratic Republic of Congo since 2006. Accordingly, he meets the notability guideline for politicians if this can be verified. Obviously, the draft article needs to be referenced before it can be accepted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Here is a French language Congolese news article that identifies him as a Senator and head of an opposition political movement. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:25, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I missed that senator reference Cullen328 - the editor buried the lede apparently. I didn't see Mr. Amine's name in the French source you posted though. I did find this hacked cable from 2007, which says he was President of Office National des Transports (Congo). [[1]]TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:14, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

First, my apology for confusing your User name with the article name Draft:Jean-Philibert Mabaya Gizi Amine. Right now, no references, will not be approved. David notMD (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

spacing error in new article title?Edit

I just posted another article about a member of the Virginia Constitutional Convention of 1868, who also served in the House of Delegates (and so meets the notability guideline). Though I changed the Virginia Constitutional Convention link associated with the Albemarle County delegate to reflect his first name rather than initial, the link doesn't go to the article I just added. Since this laptop has a spacebar problem, I suspect that I didn't actually add a space between his middle initial and surname, which would cause the broken link. However, I cannot see it, nor correct it. I would appreciate some help here. I know these 19th century politicians seem pretty trivial, but I have met historians who appreciate my work. Thanks.Jweaver28 (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Is this about Clifton L.Thompson? It would be more helpful to tell us what article the problem is in, rather than why you believe he's notable. Maproom (talk) 21:38, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Image editingEdit

I remember there is somewhere on this website where volunteers can do simple image editing. I want to request some editing of an image... could someone point me in the right direction? With thanks, --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tom (LT) I think you're looking for the WP:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 23:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for :). --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

The Wrath of VajraEdit

Can you please add more reliable source and plot. Apollo C. Quiboloy fans (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Apollo C. Quiboloy fans. You can be WP:BOLD and try to improve the article yourself. Articles are pretty much exoected to be WP:IMPERFECT and improved over time through collaborative editing. Improve what you can, and then perhaps somebody will follow up what you started and make further improvements. If someone reverts/undos any changes you make, just follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and discuss things on the article talk page. You might find some helpful tips on writing plot summaries in Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Winnipeg Table Hockey League (WTHL) Nominate for deletion?Edit

So I prod-ed this article as I thought it didn't meet WP:NSPORTS, WP:CLUB or WP:GNG requires, the person who created the article Scapizzi removed the nomination saying it met WP:CLUB due to their activities being National and significant coverage. I don't want to get into a deletion discussion here as I know its not the place but I'm not sure if I should be taking the next step and AFD the article. The National coverage Scapizzi talks about is just the fact that the sport is a National sport, not that this league played National league as far as I can tell. As for the significant coverage, most of it is local news and the organisation own websites. I'm happy if I'm wrong, but it feels more like an advert for the league and the game. NZFC(talk)(cont) 01:50, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I removed a bunch of unsourced stuff and also the logo which is a copyright violation to the organization's website. I'm not seeing notability, but I try not to get involved in sports related notability discussions. Thanks, NZFC. John from Idegon (talk) 05:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Changing User nameEdit

hey i am trying to change my user name can any one help me getting set up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitalvybzmusic (talkcontribs) 02:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Digitalvybzmusic: see Wikipedia:Changing username. Since you haven't made many edits, you could just create a new account with the desired username. That way, you wouldn't have to go through the bureaucracy of changing your user name. If you did that, it would probably be a good idea to let people know by adding a note to your new account's user page. For example, you might write, "My previous account was Digitalvybzmusic." NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Pages created by trollsEdit

I'm aware that if a troll/vandal creates a page, beneficial or not, it will have to be deleted in accordance with WP:DENY, however, what if the page is on an extremely notable subject? Would it still have to be deleted? I'm guessing that the loophole around this rule is for the page to be recreated by a good-faith contributor, but what if the page was discovered to have been created by a troll far too late? Would it just have to remain, with little regard to DENY? SimpsonsFan94 (talk) 05:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi SimpsonsFan94. The information you're probably looking for can be found in WP:EVADE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:53, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up to How do I make an image appear at the browser's width?Edit

I am trying to display an image in the browser, not as a thumbnail, but at the browser's width.

The advice given so far was:

{{wide image|Helsinki z00.jpg|1800px|[[Helsinki]] panorama - based on example from Template:wide image|100%|center

Unfortunately, this makes the image full size, within the browser's window width, so there is a horizontal scroll bar. Not the image scaled to fit the browser window.

Can this be done?

Keybounce (talk) 05:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Keybounce and good to see you back at the Teahouse.
I noticed, as I moved from computer to computer, and that image was still on the Teahouse, that sometimes I got a scroll bar and sometimes I didn't. Different screen widths and OSes and browsers. How to force it to always scale rather than scroll, I'm afraid I don't know. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 06:01, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

article for creationEdit

there is no article named catalogue must be created as soon as possible because many people are waiting for that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snikitha raj (talkcontribs) 07:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Why must the article be created as soon as possible? In Wikipedia, there is no deadline. Who is waiting for it? Statements that an article must be created as soon as possible are deeply troublesome to me. They are usually an indication that the editor making that statement is being paid to get the article accepted. Are you being paid? Robert McClenon (talk) 13:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello Snikitha raj. If you want to request for an article to be created, you can do so at Wikipedia:Requested articles, but there are many topics there and not many people with the time to research it all. Since you are an autoconfirmed user, it might be quicker to create it yourself. There is a guide to article creation at Wikipedia:Your first article. If you would like help to create your article, feel free to contact me on my talk page or using a reply template, or one of the editors who participate at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, either using the Help Desk or by submitting your article for review as a draft. Good luck. — Alpha3031 (tc) 07:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
@Snikitha raj: You created Draft:Catalogue Market and submitted it for review, but it was declined by Robert McClenon. Robert did leave a comment on the draft's page explaining why he declined the draft. Did you read the comment? Is there something about it you don't understand? -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Snikitha raj, we do have an article Catalog merchant. Maybe Catalog market could be a redirect to that? Rojomoke (talk) 11:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
The article at Catalog merchant is better than the draft and does contain the discussion that I said was needed for Draft:Catalogue Market to be encyclopedic. Is the Original Poster satisfied? Robert McClenon (talk) 13:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Adding a photo to a draft entryEdit

Hi. Was asked to add a photo into an entry that was submitted by another user and is currently pending review. I'm not familiar with images and need assistance. Le Bijoux (talk) 09:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Le Bijoux. It's hard to give you a specific answer without knowing more about the photo in question. Only photos uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons can be added to pages, but whether such a photo can be added to a draft depends upon its file copyright tag. If the photo has been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, then most likely you can add it to the draft and it should be fine as long as the file was uploaded in accordance with c:Commons:Licensing. On the other hand, if the file was uploaded locally to Wikipedia, then you won't be able to use it if the file is licensed as non-free content because non-free files are not allowed to be used in drafts per non-free content criterion #9 and Wikipedia:Drafts#Preparing drafts. In such a case, you will need to wait until the file has been approved as an article before adding it, and then you will need to make sure that the particular use of the file satisfies Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. If you're not sure about this, you can always ask for help at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or Wikipedia talk:Non-free content.
Now, if the photo is something yet to be uploaded to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, then you should take a look at Wikipedia:Image use policy, Wikipedia:Copyrights#Guidelines for images and other media files and the aforementioned Commons licensing page. What file copyright tag the file may be uploaded and where it can be uploaded under depends on things such as its copyright status and whether permission from the original copyright holder is required, etc. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:31, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

ASK HELP: Draft:Peace Treaty on Korean PeninsulaEdit

Hi, PLEASE ADVISE ME the necessary revision of the contents to be updated. From my understanding, it meets the three rules Wikipedia:Notability Neutral point of view, Verifiability.

I created some articles, but I would like to get support this topic as it could be a hot topic this year. Regarding the potential issue- WP:CRYSTAL, I believe that it could be covered as per the current public statement of the leaders of the five major countries: US, China, Russia, DPRK and South Korea. All of them now support the ending the Korean war and establish the Peace Treaty on Korean Peninsula. Especially, it is now all documented officially on the two documents which are Joint Statement and Panmunjom Declaration. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 10:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


How many edits does it take to become appreciated? 2hark (talk) 13:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@2hark: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It only takes one good edit to be "appreciated" for it- but I think you mean "autoconfirmed". To be autoconfirmed, your account must be at least four days old and have at least 10 edits- which yours meets on both counts. 331dot (talk) 12:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


Curious to know how to become a great editor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Razio mikoshi (talkcontribs) 13:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Razio mikoshi and welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to be a great editor, you must be familiar with our policies and guidelines. Then as you stay here longer, you will gain more experience about editing and problem-solving. Interaction and communication between editors are also important. You will be greater after sometime. Regards ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 13:18, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Engaging in activities which result in this is generally not characteristic of great editorship. Avoiding such behavior is a step toward becoming one. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 15:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia:How to write a great article may have something of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:03, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Resubmitting an article which has been redirectedEdit

I have been working on a article which was online for about eight years and then deleted + redirected because of notability. The online article is Jon Doscher and I wish to resubmit an updated full bio which can be seen here Should I just do a (subst:submit) or what? Gibmul (talk) 14:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

  • @Gibmul: Yes, you can submit it ({{subst:submit}}); if it is accepted, the reviewer will take care of the pesky technical details. (The only limit is that you should not submit drafts similar to a recently-deleted articles because it loses everyone's time, but in eight years notability might have been gained.) I am not sure (either way) whether your draft shows notability, but I took less care perusing the refs than a reviewer should. TigraanClick here to contact me 15:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Eight years? WP:Articles for deletion/Jon Doscher was this year, or are you referring to some other discuusion? I would also suggest that if I were a client paying someone to create a Wikipedia article I would expect the editor to have read Wikipedia guidance on such things as capitals and external links. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Article creationEdit

i have created three articles, but all are being considered for deletion, should i just retire coz its like iam doing nothing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rollback95 (talkcontribs) 15:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Rollback95: Retirement is up to you, but you don't need to. There's plenty more to do here besides write articles. And even then, you're better at writing articles than a lot of editors who have only been here for a week. I'm not even going to post my usual advice for writing articles, because the ones you've written are pretty close to what happens when you follow that advice.
As you can see at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soroti Secondary School, it looks like the article Soroti Secondary School will stay and not be deleted. Likewise if you look here, the article Allan Okello will probably stay. Although it's too early to say how Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 Kiryandongo bus accident will go, I've seen similar articles survive an AfD. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

what else can i do on wikipedia apart from editing and writing articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rollback95 (talkcontribs) 15:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Rollback95: You can work on existing articles instead of writing new ones. But again, you're actually pretty good at writing new articles. Two of the three articles you've should not have even been nominated for deletion, one of them will probably survive. Most editors who have only been here for a week generally get all of their articles deleted, and for good reason. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
@Rollback95: I'd suggest you slow down with the article creation / edits; listen to people's comments and advice; and get help to edit. GiantSnowman 15:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
@Rollback95: Wikipedia is a large place with lots to, so really it's more of a matter of what you're interested in or good at. For example, Wikipedia:Maintenance lists the various cleanup tasks that you can help with: there's usually a few requests for copyediting at the Wikipedia:Guild of Copyeditors, checking for style, consistency, spelling, etc. if that's your thing. If you're good at research, there's [Citation Hunt, which is a WMF tool that allows you to filter articles that need citations.
If you have a specific field of interest, there might be a Wikipedia:WikiProject that covers your field. This is basically a group of collaborating editors that all edit in the same area, and they will each have their own tasks that they want to do.
Another option is to join one of the patrols, which go through Wikipedia in specific ways to find things to improve, remove or tag. Many people choose to monitor Special:RecentChanges for vandalism edits and revert them, though care is needed for edits that might look like vandalism but might be helpful – when in doubt, leave it and it'll probably be reviewed by someone else later. Random Page Patrollers go through Special:Random to find pages, and can improve pages if they have minor problems, tag them with maintenance templates for bigger problems, and mark pages for deletion if they are totally unsalvageable. (WP:Twinkle is a good tool for automating reverting and tagging if you want to learn to use it). — Alpha3031 (tc) 13:50, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Request for web ref privilagesEdit

Hello, how do I go about getting the refill tool added to my account, instead of manually having to keep going back to reFill, to type the name of the page to fill in bare references?

Regards L1amw90 (talk) 16:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey, L1amw90, and thanks for your note. This kind of blanking is not helpful, and we kind of have a rule against it. Wikipedia:Citing sources is a "do your best" thing, and if someone's best isn't perfect, then we clean it up instead of blanking it. Bare URLs definitely aren't great, but they're a lot better than nothing, and on a page that's getting that many edits, people are usually trying to get in and out as fast as they can, to reduce the risk of edit conflicts for themselves and others. Formatting could happen next week with no real loss in the meantime.
As for your specific request, the instructions for reFill are at User:Zhaofeng_Li/reFill. As an alternative, you could switch to the visual editor (look for the pencil icon in your toolbar). It works like a word processor and has the mw:citoid service already built in. For that, you just paste the bare URL into the "automatic" tab of the cite box, and it will create the citation template for you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Confirming accountEdit

How do I confirm my account — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prosper omoregie (talkcontribs) 18:37, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Your account will be autoconfirmed after 4 days and 10 edits. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


How do I upload a photo? There doesn’t seem to be any way of doing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigel T Keer (talkcontribs) 20:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

It depends whether it is free of copyright (in which case you upload it to Wikimedia Commons) or being used as permitted non-free content (in which case you upload it here to enwiki). See Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

How is the process of deleting handled. It seems that some people's role is to ensure that good articles are deleted.Edit

How is the process of deleting handled. It seems that some people's role is to ensure that good articles are deleted. --Chichi Chilufya (talk) 23:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)--Chichi Chilufya (talk) 23:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

This Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kapya John Kaoma would seem to be what the OP is asking about for those looking into this. MarnetteD|Talk 23:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Chichi Chilufya: The article has been proposed for deletion on the grounds that it does not cite sources to establish that Kaoma is notable. In the deletion discussion, those voting delete have pointed this out. Those voting keep have argued that he's a great guy (true but irrelevant), and that sources establishing his notability do exist (probably true, but irrelevant unless someone cites them). If you want the article kept, your best way to achieve this will be to find some reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of Kaoma, and cite them in the article. Not stuff he's written himself; not stuff based on press releases; not passing mentions; but real independent discussion. Maproom (talk) 07:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


Hello, I couldn't help but notice the recent pages about the Mupache Galvarino. Would you please share the contact info for those contributors? I'm pretty sure we are the only Galvarino's in the world and don't know about this history so far! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambernotes (talkcontribs) 06:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

The contributors to the article over the years are listed on the article history page (accessible by clicking on the "History" tab at the top of the article itself). --David Biddulph (talk) 07:03, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Ambernotes. If you go to the article Galvarino, and click the "View history" tab at the top, you can find out who has contributed to that article. You can ask questions on those editor's talk pages, but I suggest that you find the editors who made major contributions. Please be aware that these are volunteers and some of them may no longer be active. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:09, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Neoteric EvolutionEdit

Can anyone tell me why there is a call to delete this page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeQuinceyMalden (talkcontribs) 08:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I could not find such a page with that title. Can you link to it? 331dot (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Neoteric evolutionary theory was deleted last month on an expired PROD. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Crosskeys Inn Edit DeletedEdit

Hi, I am not to familiar with using Wikipedia. I had edited a page called Crosskeys Inn and the edit was deleted by


Can anyone advise me on how to have the information reinstated.

Thanks in advance. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 10:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Which edits are you referring to? Your IP has never edited that page, and 2A00:23C4:EC87:C300:4C3C:D2B1:E1F7:8B79 did not delete anything from that page. If you mean that you were editing as 2A00:23C4:EC87:C300:4C3C:D2B1:E1F7:8B79, then no, your edits cannot be reinstated because they were deleted and WP:REVDELed as copyright violations. Meters (talk) 10:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
It cannot and will not be reinstated. It was a blatant copyright violation. The text was copied from another website. That activity is not allowed here. I haven't seen what was removed, but, given previous experience with this subject matter, Wikipedia is NOT here to promote businesses or to advertise features and/or facilities. It is only interested in what reliable third parties have to say about the subject. - X201 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
See WP:COPVIO , and for an intro on linking to particular edits see WP:SDG Meters (talk) 10:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of images on User pagesEdit

On the Wikimedia Commons, there are *a lot* of nude images and stuff like that. Are we allowed to put those on our user pages? I don't want to because that's rather gross, but I'm just curious as to whether or not there are community guidelines that would ban me if I tried that. Redditaddict69 11:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Redditaddict69: Wikipedia:User_pages#Images_that_would_bring_the_project_into_disrepute ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 11:48, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Redditaddict69 There are guidelines; see WP:UPNOT and WP:NOTWEBHOST. Vexations (talk) 12:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I have come across some user pages of experienced editors which include as an image or background some nude photograph. It has only happened a few times, though. The picture has always been some nude photography art, though, rather unsurprisingly of a woman. I doubt this is prohibited and considered actionably disruptive, but it might be discouraged and an occasional user who does not understand Wikipedia's position on censorship might complain on the user talk page. It is definitely gray area content. The third note (permanent link) at Wikipedia:User pages is particularly relevant. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 16:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC); last sentenced added at 16:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Haha ok thanks everyone, appreciate it! Didn't realize there were so many user page guidelines so I cleared most non-wiki-related stuff from my page. Redditaddict69 03:38, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

My first postEdit

How to create my own user page? I am new as contributor. I faced difficulties in including Referencs in my first content — Preceding unsigned comment added by PRABHAKAR.S (talkcontribs) 12:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, PRABHAKAR.S, and welcome to Wikipedia! There's some advice here on what's suitable for a Wikipedia user page. There's rarely any need to use references on your own user page, which is not a Wikipedia article, and should be about your activities in editing Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
More basic, you create it by clicking the redlinked PRABHAKAR.S and then writing something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

When can my Draft be accepted?Edit

When may my Draft be accepted for a wikipedia page? This is the link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qxgen (talkcontribs) 14:17, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Qxgen To nominate an existing draft or user sandbox for review at Articles for Creation, add the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft or sandbox page. In its current state, your draft will almost certainly be rejected because it cites no sources. Please refer to Help:Referencing for beginners. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vexations (talkcontribs) 14:56, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
(ec) Hi Qxgen, in its current state the draft will not be accepted as you have not provided any references to reliable sources. Please see the Your first article and the Referencing for beginners guides. If you need further assistance please return here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Searching for a tutorial on editing I saw in the Wikipedia community ten years agoEdit


Years ago -- circa 2009 to 2011 -- I wandered into the Community Portal and found myself at a helpful tutorial for editing writing to make it more succinct.

It had many examples of sentences which were not succinct, and after you had thought about them, you could reveal a more succinct version.

I think it was actually a sub-page for a user.

Does anyone here remember something like this and know if exists anymore or where it is?

Thanks! --Yoderj (talk) 15:32, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Is this (WP:SUCCINCT) it? - X201 (talk) 15:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
No, I'm looking for a page with many examples of sentences before and after editing for succinctness --Yoderj (talk) 15:42, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Found it! Removing fluff --Yoderj (talk) 15:46, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Virtual communities with more than 100 million active usersEdit


I believe one column should be deleted from this page. The 'Registered Users' column. Almost all companies there never posted their total registered users number bar one from what I checked. So the registered users number corresponds to the number of monthly active users in most cases. Therefore it is false data No companies post this number as it is not useful. It should be deleted as of now it is quite false as most people edit it with same number as monthly users, which makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alakagom (talkcontribs) 16:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Alakagom. The place to discuss this is on that article's Talk Page. Often when somebody suggests an improvement to an article "you can edit it yourself!" is good advice; but if you're planning to make a change that affects the whole article, it would be prudent to suggest it on the talk page first. If after a week nobody has disagreed, you can feel free to make the change. --ColinFine (talk) 19:50, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Updating Reality of Wrestling champions listingEdit


Typing in all caps is like shouting. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:23, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
According to their web site their titles have not changed since last year Blair277 (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


I need Coding help in creating a Wikipedia page for myself — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eydharh (talkcontribs) 17:11, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Eydharh: See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, WP:COI, and WP:NOTRESUME. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Editing the SubjectEdit

How would i change the subject of an article if it is not right. I am not able to change the name of a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shak926 (talkcontribs) 18:30, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Shak926 Changing the title of an article is done by moving the article to the new title. See WP:Move --Vexations (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Protocol for uploading photosEdit

Please let me know if there is a specific protocol to add photos to an existing wiki page, which is from the personal collection of the living person written about in wiki. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kajinka! (talkcontribs) 2018-08-17T20:02:53 (UTC)

Hello, Kajinka!. I wouldn't call it a protocol, but there are several steps. The first is to determine the copyright status of the pictures. If they are pictures of a living person they are probably not old enough to be in the public domain; so we would require that the copyright owner (who is usually the photographer, unless there was a contract which specifically said otherwise) expicitly release them under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which will allow anybody to reuse them for any purpose, commercial or not. If the copyright holder can be identified, and is willing to do this, then it is easiest if they upload the pictures themselves to Wikimedia Commons, declaring that they release them under this licence. If they are not able to do this, then they can send an email as explained at donating copyright materials. But if the copyright holder is not willing to license the pictures in this way (permission to use them on Wikipedia is not sufficient), or if the copyright holder cannot be found, then I'm afraid they cannot be used. See Help:Upload.
Once the pictures have been uploaded successfully to Commons, it is straightforward to insert them into articles. --ColinFine (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. The info and the links are very helpful. I had read a lot, but was still uncertain. Many thanks. K — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kajinka! (talkcontribs) 20:31, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Page TranslationEdit

Sorry! This is an unforgivable sin on my part. I asked a question recently about how to have a page translated from French Wikipedia to English. I did not get back here for an overly long time. I don't see the results here or in the Archive but I did find: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 63#How to create a translated page which may serve perfectly well as an answer. Any additional comments since I do not plan or wish to create an English page? I imagine I could go to the Talk version of the English translation and copy the code from there to the English version of Wikipedia. Does the original author(s) get the credit due to him/her/them? Nicodemus (talk) 18:48, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translation, and the answer to your recent question was at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 813#Request a translation of a page from the French Wikipedia. (You can find your previous questions in the archive by typing your user name (or the name by which you signed) into the archive search box at the top of this Teahouse page.) --David Biddulph (talk) 19:05, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Page Deleted - Shawn James - I can't find it in the Deleted LogEdit

Hey folks, I'm a new editor here and I'm still learning / digging around. Thanks in advance for your help and patience.

I work with an music artist at my record label and we're trying to find his page. It disappeared around the beginning of 2017, apparently over a battle of sources. I searched the deleted log and couldn't find it. Are there other ways I can find it, or find the topic and re-open the conversation?

The topic/page is "Shawn James" (music artist or musician)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukewhiteplays (talkcontribs) 20:39, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Lukewhiteplays That must have been Shawn James & The Shapeshifters. The log entries are here: --Vexations (talk) 20:51, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
But, LukeWhiteplays, before you go any further with this, please read WP:COI. It wasn't "his page", and if it ever gets created again it won't be "his page". It should be an article about him, based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with him have chosen to publish about him; and he and his associates are discouraged from editing it directly. He and his associates should not regard it as playing any role in his publicity or online presence, since they will have no control whatever over its contents. --ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Also read WP:PAID. The original deletion was because the article was blatant promotion, not references. David notMD (talk) 01:29, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Name for an articleEdit

The name of this tennis tournament is "Lagos Open", and it is not related to Lagos Open. Since the latter has been discontinued, will it be out of place if the one in my sandbox takes the name, while the other one is disambiguated to something else? If it is not possible, what alternative name can be given to the most significant tennis tournament in Nigeria (sandbox)?HandsomeBoy (talk) 02:04, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

One option: rename the existing article to "Lagos Open (1976–1991)" and the new one to "Lagos Open (2000–present)" with "Lagos Open" as a dab page. Chris857 (talk) 03:05, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Indian economyEdit

what is Indian economy and how it is different from others?

ajay kumar b103.77.239.144 (talk) 05:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, ajay. This page is not the right place for this sort of question - this is about help with editing Wikipedia. The WP:Reference desk is a better place for general-knowledge questions. But even better is searching the encyclopaedia. If you had done that it would have taken you to the article Economy of India. --ColinFine (talk) 08:19, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Newb Need opinions about editingEdit

Hi, I've never edited. I was reading an article & found statements which caught my attention because it appears to be an opinion rather than fact. The article is "Colin Kaepernick" Here is the above mentioned part:

His actions prompted negative and positive responses. The negative responses included suggestions that players who protest should be fired;[4] other people displayed their disapproval of players' protests by leaving the stadium immediately after the protests or refusing to watch games at all.[5][6] Positive responses included similar activity by additional athletes in the NFL and other American sports leagues protesting in various ways during the anthem.

I feel that each person may differ on if it was a positive, or negative response so here is I hope a better way:

His actions prompted various responses. There were suggestions that players who protest should be fired, people displayed their disapproval of player's protests by leaving the stadium immediately after the protests or refusing to watch or attend games at all. Some additional athletes in the NFL and other American sports leagues began similar protests in various ways during the anthem.

Since I'm new, I'd rather have some input before I try to edit it without knowing the ropes. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philthy McNasty (talkcontribs) 05:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Philthy McNasty. Because this is a collaborative project, please consider whether your username might alienate some other editors. The proper place to discuss these changes is Talk:Colin Kaepernick. In my opinion, your proposed change explains the criticism of Kaepernick pretty well, but does not adequately explain the support for his stance. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:34, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Special Olympics BangladeshEdit

hello sir, i want to create a Page about my company named special Olympics Bangladesh But it is not creating yet , what day it will take ? If you tell me i will be grateful to You . Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamundu (talkcontribs) 06:29, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mamundu. If you are talking about User:Mamundu/sandbox or your user page, then please be aware that neither of these drafts are acceptable for the encyclopedia, because they are unreferenced, and for other reasons. Please read Your first article and Referencing for beginners. Follow the advice that you will find there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cullen328 (talkcontribs) 07:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
... and as you refer to your company you need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Accident notabilityEdit

what makes an accident suitable for inclution to wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rollback95 (talkcontribs) 07:56, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Rollback95: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. An accident, or any article subject, would merit an article on Wikipedia if it received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Please see the general notability guideline. If you are attempting to write an article for the first time, you may find it helpful to read Your First Article, and use Articles for Creation to submit a draft for review, instead of directly creating an article. 331dot (talk) 08:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
@331dot: I believe this question might have to do with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 Kiryandongo bus accident. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:39, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Is it possible to "revert" a clearly vandalistic page move, without all the voting procedures?Edit

So, an editor renamed this article Cengizhan Erdoğan about a Tuvan sportsperson to a new name. Obviously he didn't cite any sources so I am presuming it was an attempt at trolling. I can't move the page back to its original name because the original name is now a redirect. Is it possible to move that page back without spending time on starting a vote and then waiting for people to stumble across that vote because that page is clearly not watched by a lot of people? Openlydialectic (talk) 12:07, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Openlydialectic: Since this seems like an uncontroversial move back, you can go to Wikipedia:Requested moves and list it under "Requesting technical moves". --bonadea contributions talk 12:20, 18 August 2018 (UTC)