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Hello,

I am seeking input on how to improve this page: Draft:Saad Bhamla

It was rejected on the following grounds:

• meet any of the eight academic-specific criteria
• or cite multiple reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject, which cover the subject in some depth

and

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Having read the eight academic-specific criteria, it is clear that Prof. Bhamla meets several of these. I have also cited reliable secondary sources (e.g., NSF, NIH, etc.) to support this assertion.

I do need some help on the advertisement vs encyclopedia rejection. Most academic bios are written in the form that I supplied, but any tips on converting it into an encyclopedia-style diction would be appreciated.

Many thanks! Xwallawallax (talk) 03:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

At a glance, the subject does not meet WP:NACADEMIC. Please remove any inline external links in the article; those are not permitted per WP:EL. Which NACADEMIC criteria do you think the subject meets? --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Prof Bhamla has met criteria 1 and 2.

There are multiple examples for Criteria 1. One notable one is his naming as a major disruptor by Newsweek, a reputed magazine that is known to rank research institutions.

Criteria 2 is also straightforward - the awards I noted in the original draft are highly competitive, national, and prestigious awards.

Thanks for tips of inline external links, did not realize those were against the rules. Xwallawallax (talk) 04:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

1. Newsweek, since 2013, is generally not considered a reliable source due to their deteriorated journalistic practices, including for purposes of establishing notability.
2. Do any of these awards have articles themselves? I took a look and didn't see them well-covered at a glance to establish their own notability. I hope you understand that this merely feels like it's pushing the issue back a level.

Remsense聊 04:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

1. Thanks - I did not know that. Looking into the linked article, it does seem that Newsweek is in the "yellow" category, with this major caveat: "Many editors have noted that there are several exceptions to this standard, so consensus is to evaluate Newsweek content on a case-by-case basis". Here is the article that lists Prof. Bhamla: https://www.newsweek.com/2023/06/30/magic-mushrooms-1-hearing-aids-medical-marvels-disrupting-healthcare-1805918.html This is a distinction from the magazine - they select a cohort of 10 prominent researchers each year. It is definitely not clickbait and not pay to play.
2. I am willing to accept that Newsweek is of dubious reputability (although the distinction from the magazine is still notable), but the US NASEM is not. Here is a news article from them that highlights a major and prestigious award that Prof. Bhamla has won: https://www.nationalacademies.org/awards/excellence-in-communication

Xwallawallax (talk) 04:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

This is not my area of expertise, so I will bow out and let people where it is take over, but I suppose if I had to speak on a personal, gut-feeling level, reading the newsweek article, the headline coupled with its presentation does feel very clickbait to me, but again, I do not feel comfortable deciding one way or the other, so I will abstain as to whether this should be accepted or not. Remsense聊 04:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for chiming in and helping me understand the process further.

Looking at Wikipedia:NACADEMIC requirements, they note: "Academics meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable."

and

"The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level."

I feel that (a) the US NASEM article and the US NASEM as an institution are both reliable sources, (b) the Schmidt Futures award is a highly prestigious academic honor at an international level, according to the wikipedia article on this award: National Academies Communication Award Xwallawallax (talk) 04:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't agree. The National Academies Communication Award programme ended in 2019, and is not the same as the "Eric and Wendy Schmidt Awards for Excellence in Science Communication", which makes ~48 awards per year. The subject here is not listed as a Top Award winner at [1] and it is difficult to construe this award as highly prestigious. Both awards were national, not international. I don't see any of the other awards as highly prestigious; they appear to be routine and/or local in character. Ref 6, by the way, does not support the assertion made. I'm sure the subject is a very fine academic, but your enthusiasm for him meeting the criteria does not make it so. Hyperbole in the article - "notable projects", "work is recognized by numerous awards including" is unhelpful; promotional writing such as this is always a red flag. --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Hm - I do think that most research-active academics would find this award as highly prestigious.

There are only 24 awards per year (https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2023/11/national-academies-announce-2023-recipients-of-eric-and-wendy-schmidt-awards-for-excellence-in-science-communications), and only three per category. Prof. Bhamla was one of the three awarded in Research Scientist: Later Career.

At any rate, the combination of Prof. Bhamla's awards (Schmidt Futures Excellence in Sci. Comm., Criterion 2a notable foundation/society), publications in especially prestigious journals (https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.ade7759, Criterion 1e, partial), notable and impactful inventions (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-016-0009 https://www.wired.com/2017/01/paperfuge-20-cent-device-transform-health-care/, Criterion 1b), and his coverage in mainstream media (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/science/worm-blobs.html, https://www.ted.com/talks/saad_bhamla_the_fascinating_physics_of_insect_pee?language=en,https://www.npr.org/2023/07/14/1187250226/how-do-insects-pee-a-seemingly-silly-question-that-led-to-a-physics-discovery, Criterion 7a) strongly suggests that Prof. Bhamla meets the notability requirements.

I apologize for not including some of these other sources in my original draft and I am interested to know your thoughts on these. Xwallawallax (talk) 05:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@Xwallawallax: To demonstrate notability, you need to provide multiple independent sources. Articles written by Bhamla, interviews of Bhamla, and videos of Bhamla are not considered independent. GoingBatty (talk) 06:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

My thoughts are that it is a bit soon to say whether an award first implemented in 2022 is "highly prestigeous". The whirygig thing is interesting, but does it amount to a "notable and impactful invention"? Wired noticed it, but credit it to another researcher. What impact has it had? 1b asks for "In this case it is necessary to explicitly demonstrate, by a substantial number of references to academic publications of researchers other than the person in question, that this contribution is indeed widely considered to be significant and is widely attributed to the person in question." PR for the TED talk seems minimal. Butt flicking insects and their superpropulsion do not amount to 7a "substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity". What impact has it had? So, I really do not think there is an NACADEMIC pass here. Your best shot now is to find sufficient news media to get a WP:GNG pass. You have nothing in the article about butt flicking and there may be some centrifuge press which would show the sort of sustained interest in the subject's work needed for GNG. Or there may not, and it might all be a case of WP:TOOSOON. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@Xwallawallax: Note that the requirements say "reliable sources", meaning more than one. GoingBatty (talk) 04:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

From looking at the notability rule, the article is allowed if he is promote to full professor (tenure) बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree with WP:TOOSOON. He is an assistant professor. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Notability (academics) as to why lesser awards do not contribute. David notMD (talk) 22:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, all, for the feedback - very helpful despite the sometimes condescending tone.

I do think there is a case to be made for Criterion 1 and 7. Here are multiple sources that have covered Prof Bhamla's work:

Worm blobs: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/science/worm-blobs.html ; https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/how-balls-of-blackworms-avoid-the-knotty-step/21808845 ; https://www.wired.com/story/researchers-are-studying-these-worm-blobs-to-build-robots/

Insect pee: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/14/1187250226/how-do-insects-pee-a-seemingly-silly-question-that-led-to-a-physics-discovery ; https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/quirks-mar-25-2023-1.6787590 ; + TED talk already discussed (1.3M views)

I do not think the assistant professor designation is sufficient to declare "Too soon" - there are other junior faculty with wikipedia entries that have similar caliber awards as Prof. Bhamla and significantly fewer external sources covering their research.

How do I proceed from here? I am happy to rewrite the article with the new information disclosed in this thread and submit it for re-evaluation - I admit my first draft was very bare bones. Xwallawallax (talk) 17:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Criterion 1 is for the people that everyone in their field cites. We'd expect to see something like a very high h-index, but that isn't the case here.

Criterion 7 is for people who are quoted in the popular media all the time, or who have written bestsellers for a lay audience. A couple of news articles about their work is not what this is about, this is for people who are regularly being asked on to news shows to comment on the science news of the day, even when they didn't have anything to do with the research themselves.

As to How do I proceed from here?, I would suggest you find a new subject who is more clearly notable. Some of the articles on winners of the National Medal of Science are quite short and could use expansion. - MrOllie (talk) 18:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the additional explanation. I hate to use 'what about-ism' but it is clear that the criterions are not being applied evenly with this candidate vs. others that are already up on Wikipedia.

For instance, can you point to the source in this page that meets one of the criterion?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Nance Xwallawallax (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

This is an example of somebody who does meet Criterion 1, for her development of nanoparticles that cross the blood-brain barrier - citations 4 through 9 of the article support that. They consequently also have a high h-index considering the stage of their career, and the individual papers associated with the discovery all have quite high citation counts. MrOllie (talk) 18:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

MrOllie Different draft???? The subject of this draft is male and refs 4-9 have nothing to do with nanoparticles. David notMD (talk) 10:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD: I was addressing a follow up question about how Elizabeth Nance meets notability criteria. - MrOllie (talk) 13:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I had missed that Xwallawallax had held up Elizabeth Nance as an example of an Assistant Professor meriting an article. David notMD (talk) 14:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

"best known for" in leads of biography

Is it acceptable to use the phrase X is best known for Y in the lead of a biographical article? Or is it a form of original analysis? The practice is widespread and done on many articles. Even when the sources do not explicitly say "best known for", often a subject's notability is established as a result of what they are "best known" for. It could be seen as an opinion, but also often a self evident opinion. What do editors think? (Edit: given the comment below, clarifying that I asked because I have been reverted for using the term myself here). Zenomonoz (talk) 06:35, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Zenomonoz. I do not have strong feelings one way or another about this phrase, but you should be aware that there is a person who has been banned from Wikipedia because they created significant disruption for many years about "best known for" wording. This person is totally obsessed with this particular phrase, so I encourage you to proceed with great caution. This abusive person has made it very difficult to have productive conversations about this phrase. Please read Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP until you get bored or tired. Cullen328 (talk) 07:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh. Lol. I came here after a user removed my addition of 'best known for' here. And then said I was doing "synth" for using the phrase. Edit: It looks like they're an established editor though, so I'm guessing it's unrelated. Zenomonoz (talk) 10:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I prefer not to use "best known for" phrasing, and I've edited articles to remove it in the past. It is sometimes self-evident and sometimes wild speculation, and it's hard for readers unfamiliar with the topic to know the difference without explicit support from sources. We also can presume that our readers will know that we are placing the most important information about our subjects in the lead, especially the first paragraph. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, very helpful. Sounds reasonable. I'll start avoiding using the term myself. Zenomonoz (talk) 21:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers It's difficult. Virtually everyone in Eric H. Cline's field would say he's best known for his work on the Bronze Age, ie his book 1177 B.C. and his newer book After 1177 B.C. but looking again I guess the only fix is to enlarge the lead to cover some of his works and awards. On the other hand, it's a blue sky statement for those in the field. Doug Weller talk 10:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Creating another article

So, I have made one article (Until This Shakes Apart), and the got a notice that it was accepted. but in it, it said Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer. And that's swell, but I don't wan't to just have the power to make any draft. Can I revoke this? I'd prefer if I can make a draft, but still let others review it, before it is accepted, in case I f*ck something up. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Shine on you) (Crazy Diamond) 15:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

You can upload a draft by affixing [[Draft:]] to the beginning of the title and then making the page there. Explodicator7331 (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!! Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Shine on you) (Crazy Diamond) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I always create my articles using the Article Wizard [2], which gives you the option of creating a draft to be reviewed, or publishing the article directly – which will then be looked at by a new page patroller. I did some freelance writing before my first Wikipedia article, and I still felt safer having my first few Wikipedia articles submitted for review before being published, because I wanted to make sure I knew exactly what I was doing before trusting that I wouldn't mess up and publish something that wouldn't meet Wiki standards. Best wishes on your future projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Babysharkboss2, the notice says you may create articles directly, not that you must. I've been here for many, many years now, and I've only just had my first article published. You can keep using AFC as long as you like, no one is going to tell you to stop. Madam Fatal (talk) 20:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

recently asked question

On Nov 17 I asked a question about submitting a draft article for submission from a Word document. I was out of town and just got back to this forum and cannot locate the several helpful replies I got on Nov 17th. How do I find them now? Thank you. Legendt9455 (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Legendt9455: Hi there! Posts on this page are archived after several days of inactivity. At the top of the page is a box you can use to search the archives. When I searched for your user name, I found the post in Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1206#created draft new entry. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

thank you! Legendt9455 (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit Template:Jcon

Hello, I noticed that Template:Jcon might need to be slightly altered (it's not linking to Ottawa City Road articles); however it's protected. I am an Extended confirmed user but am still unable to edit it. Is someone able to provide some assistance?

Thank you. MuzikMachine (talk) 23:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@MuzikMachine: That template is only semi-protected. I am also extended-confirmed and am able to edit it, so it should not be a problem for you. It looks like all the code is actually in Module:Jcon but that is also only semi-protected. What error are you seeing when you try to edit? RudolfRed (talk) 01:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: There we go, thank you! The error I was going to look at was where Ottawa City Roads link to; Template:Jcon seems to be linking them to 'Ottawa City Road %' (i.e. Ottawa City Road 174 / City Road 174), while the Ottawa numbered road articles are titled 'Ottawa Road %' (i.e. Ottawa Road 174). I was just wanting to look under the hood to see what the best solution might be. MuzikMachine (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Article Deleted Twice

Hello,

After the first deletion, I made extreme edits to make the article acceptable by Wikipedia. But, that version is also slated for speedy deletion. I actually mimicked the biography of a current article (replacing the person with my person) and it is still being flagged/deleted. How do I get it accepted if Wikipedia is no longer accepting an article that mimics a previously approved/published article?

Thanks. Noseallergy (talk) 00:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

It seems you have not engaged with the actual reason for rejection, which is the potential lack of notability. Remsense留 00:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Noseallergy. Please take a look WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS for more details, but basically the draft you're working on is going to be assessed on its own merit (i.e. as to whether the subject you're trying to create a Wikipedia article is deemed ot be Wikipedia's notable). Mimicking other existing articles doesn't make whatever your trying to write about Wikipedia notable since (1) it's possible those other article should've never been created to begin with and (2) the Wikipedia notability of those other subjects doesn't transfer to the subject you're trying to write about. What you're going to need to establish is that the person you're trying to write about meet Wikipedia:Notability (people).

Finally, if your question is about Draft: Claudia Morales, then that draft was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator named Deepfriedokra for being too promotional for Wikipedia's purposes even as a draft. It also looks as if Deepfriedokra has explained this to you at User talk:Deepfriedokra#Page: Draft: Claudia Morales. Generally, those working on drafts are left alone to work at their own pace, and drafts are very rarely deleted by administrators unless they somehow violate a major Wikipedia policy. Apparently, Deepfriedokra felt that your draft was so promotional that it would need to be totally rewritten to even be acceptable as a draft. Deepfriedokra's assessment was also seconded by another Wikipedia administrator named Drmies. Does this mean that a Wikipedia article about " Claudia Morales" can never be created? That will depend on whether you're able to establish that (1) Morales satisfies one of Wikipedia's notability guidelines and (2) such an article can be written in a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Creating a new article can be a difficult process, particulary for new Wikipedians. Perhaps by working on improving existing Wikipedia articles, you become more familiar with Wikipedia's main policies and guidelines, and thus be better equipped to take another shot at creating an article about Morales at some point down the road. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

thank you. yes, I did get the messages from deepfriedokra after the first (deleted) submission. I have since removed all the promotional language that was once there. I was never able to go back to that original submisison page after the deletion to re-read the reason codes in the notice of termination so I wrote to her directly.

Anyway, I will review notability guidelines and neutral point of view. Is the article still in "review" at this point?

Thanks. Noseallergy (talk) 01:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The article appears to presently be deleted. You can still get its contents back if you need them by going to WP:Requests for undeletion: it's a painless process, don't worry. Remsense留 01:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

From the very first paragraph, Noseallergy, of the very last revision, is this: Her educational journey commenced in 1968 at an American school in Darmstadt, Germany, where she attended kindergarten and first grade. Later, her family moved back to Berlin, where she embarked on a transformative academic path at The John F. Kennedy School, a bilingual and bicultural German-American public school. This unique educational environment instilled in her the values of critical thinking, independence, and academic excellence, all while promoting international diversity rooted in mutual respect and cooperation. This manages an attempt at promoting her school even before it gets properly under way in an effort to promote her, with: Her journey in photography began when she received her first camera, a Polaroid, at the tender age of twelve. Over the years, her creative instincts continued to flourish, compelling her to seek a broader, more international approach to her career aspirations. When you write for an encyclopedia, or anyway for this one, you write to inform, not to impress. As pointed out above, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS; but if you "actually mimicked the biography of a current article", then the latter must be quite unusually crappy. Which was it? -- Hoary (talk) (whose age is tender), 01:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

You have referenced the FIRST submitted version which was already deleted and rejected, so you have chimed in on a version not even being attempted any longer!

So, please let me know from the submission dated 11/27/23, are the issues still notability and promotional language? I feel like we are going in circles and this is even more confusing.

Thanks. Noseallergy (talk) 22:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Noseallergy, we are trying our best to help.
Presently, this is a list of all your public edits, the ones we can see. If you are talking about another version of a page, then it has been deleted or we are otherwise not privy to it. You could try recreating the page at User:Noseallergy/Claudia Morales, which is in your personal userspace, so you don't have to worry about it getting deleted again. Remsense留 23:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, thank you so much for that. Yes, I don't see my new Sandbox draft that I created yesterday in the list. I used the Noseallergy sandbox and clicked on the Publish button there as instructed for submission. I wonder, then, if that version was never really reviewed? Here is what I submitted. Please let me know if you are not finding this version on your end and how I can get it reviewed. Thanks so much:

Draft content

Claudia Morales From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Claudia Morales, (born August 25, 1959) is an American interior designer based in Southern California. Early life and education Claudia Morales Morales was born in West Berlin, Germany, to an American serviceman and a German socialite mother. Growing up surrounded by the Berlin Wall, her formative years were spent alongside her two older sisters. In 1968, she commenced her education at an American school in Darmstadt, Germany, and later attended The John F. Kennedy School[1] in Berlin—a bilingual and bi-cultural German-American public school. This distinctive educational setting instilled in her the values of critical thinking, independence, and academic excellence, fostering an environment that embraced international diversity rooted in mutual respect and cooperation. Displaying an early aptitude for design aesthetics, Morales explored her interest in photography and interior design. She pursued her studies at the University of Maryland[2] in Munich, earning a degree in Arts, Pre-law, and Graphic Design. Subsequently, she ventured to New York City to delve deeper into her passion. In New York, Morales enrolled at the Fashion Institute of Technology (FIT) in 1982, obtaining a degree in Photography and Advertising Design. Her initial professional experiences included photographing print ads and engaging in fashion photography. Subsequently, Morales relocated to San Diego, California, engaging in various creative pursuits that laid the foundation for her subsequent endeavors in Los Angeles. Career Upon settling in Los Angeles, Morales immersed herself in film and television post-production, assuming diverse creative roles. Her specialization included colorization for black-and-white films and serving as an art director for color effects in films, commercials, and music videos. She contributed to renowned projects such as New Line Cinema's motion picture "Pleasantville" and Judy Garland’s black-and-white television performances. Transitioning from her successful career in film and television, Morales pursued her dream of becoming an interior designer. She earned a degree in interior design at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), culminating in the founding of Claudia Interior Design[3][1] in 2001—a firm focused on the transformative design of kitchens and bathrooms. Design Style and Influences Bathroom Design Morales's design style seamlessly blends modern aesthetics with functionality, drawing inspiration from design luminaries such as Richard Avedon, Charles & Ray Eames, Le Corbusier, Saarinen, Elsie de Wolfe, Syrie Maugham, and Eileen Gray. Her designs feature open concepts, a motif inspired by her experiences in Rome in 1988. Awards and recognition An active member of the American Society of Interior Designers[4] (ASID) since 2004, Morales has received the Best of Houzz award annually from 2015 to 2022 for both design and service. References ↑ 1980-1981 Yearbook ↑ "German Education Abroad | School of Languages, Literatures, and Cultures". Retrieved 2023-11-27 ↑ "Close to Home" {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help) ↑ "American Society of Interior Designers | ASID". Retrieved 2023-11-27 External links Claudia Interior Design, Instagram , and Houzz, HGTV, LinkedIn.

Noseallergy (talk) 23:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

There still aren't any reliable sources whatsoever establishing the subject's notability. Please take a look at both those pages to get a better idea what sources can be used, and how they establish notability. Also, please use another page like one that I've provided, you don't have to submit anything right now, and this page is very vertically crowded already. Remsense留 23:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

hi. i did submit the page again. I hope we can continue our conversation from there. The magazine article and the ASID registration page for Claudia are not enough for notability? thanks. Noseallergy (talk) 23:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Noseallergy, there is no point in resubmitting the article over and over again, it is not presently in an acceptable state. we are trying to get it to the point where it might be accepted when you submit. Like I've said, I strongly suggest you read the policy page on reliable sources to get a better idea of what sources are considered reliable. If it would help, there is also a sizable table listing sources and discussing why they are considered the way they are.
Here are things that do not establish notability whatsoever:

• Belonging to a trade organization
• Having a website, Instagram, or linkedin profile, no matter what is on it, because that is user-generated.

You require outside coverage from some source not close to the subject. You presently have no source like this, ideally, you'd have a couple to establish notability. Remsense留 00:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I submitted again because I believe my revision was not received at Wiki, since there was not dated note in the list you gave me. Noseallergy (talk) 00:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

there is no purpose to submitting, the article will not be accepted in its present state, and you are making more work for other volunteers to do. Remsense留 00:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Article Page declined

Hi

I need a help to live an article page. Wikipedia declined and if anyone can understand what I exactly do to remove the mistakes and resubmit.

Thank you

User:KPSPayyanadam/sandbox KPSPayyanadam (talk) 05:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@KPSPayyanadam: Welcome to the Teahouse! There is a lot of good information at the top of your draft, with links you can click on for more details. Two big points are the lack of multiple independent sources and the lack of inline citations. See WP:EASYREFBEGIN for a video on how to add your references properly. GoingBatty (talk) 06:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Some clean-up performed. The refs need to be inserted into the text and also need to be not naked UTLs. David notMD (talk) 07:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

For a biography of a living person, all factual statements must be verified by references. In the draft there are lists plays, but no verification via references that these plays exist. The listed awards (not referenced) appear to be minor/local, and thus do not establish notability. David notMD (talk) 07:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

KPSPayyanadam, the draft is about a gentleman named KPS Payyanadam. Either (A) you are KPS Payyanadam and this is an autobiography, or (B) you seem to be an imposter. Neither is at all desirable here in English-language Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 07:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

my thing got declined can someone help me make it? i have the source

my thing got declined can someone help me make it? i have the source Khalidthebalidthe calid (talk) 06:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

the draft is about to be deleted. ltbdl (talk) 07:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

It has now been deleted. Quote: Osama Alsayed is a name that has been making waves in the football world. At just 13 years old, this young prodigy has shown immense talent and potential. Khalidthebalidthe calid, I think you are at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 07:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Khalidthebalidthe calid. If the thing you're referring to is Draft:Osama Alsayed, then it's way WP:TOOSOON to be trying to create an Wikipedia article that person. What you're going to need to establish is the Alsayed meets Wikipedia:Notability (people) or Wikipedia:Notability (sports), and it appears that Alsayed has quite a ways to go before you or anyone else is able to do that. Just from reading the draft, it kind of seems that you're mistaking Wikipedia for social media or a personal website. Perhaps you should take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything for a general idea as to what kinds of subjects are considered OK to write about on Wikipedia. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Alternative outlets for some wesbites which might be better suited to what you're trying to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I see the editor was blocked for continually adding unsourced content. Doug Weller talk 10:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

About publishing a new page. How do I get my page posted

I have written a whole page about someone I know and clicked on "Publish". I have added necessary citations and respective references. How much time it would take to get it on Wikipedia/ how much time it takes to be viewed by everyone.

Adding link of the page below:-

https://w.wiki/8D4y Cmfsumeetjain (talk) 09:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is largely a volunteer effort on the ground, so the answer would be 'when someone gets around to it'.

However, it is generally strongly discouraged for you to write or edit articles about people you know, or subjects close to you, for that constitutes a conflict of interest. Undisclosed conflicts of interest are often not allowed, moreover, and you've only incidentally disclosed yours. If you do want to continue editing about subjects close to you, which is discouraged as I've said, it's good form to state your conflict of interest on your user page.

Looking at the article, there still appears to be potential notability problems, as there are a preponderance of primary sources, and almost none of the secondary sources appear to actually be about the subject of the article, or mention them specifically. I would recommend reading the pages I've linked above, as well as this one, on what we consider to be a reliable source. Remsense留 09:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Cmfsumeetjain Your draft at User:Cmfsumeetjain/sandbox has statements like Ashish Kumar Singh is an accomplished civil servant and public administration expert. Says who? You have not cited a source for this assertion, as is required by our policy on biographies. Make sure you provide inline citations for all your text, or the draft will rapidly be declined. It would be sensible to read this essay and this one for advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Sharing academic research on a specific topic that my deceased husband devoted hus academic life too.

It is called Social Structures of Accumulation, about waves and troughs in the economy over time. 2A01:B340:60:A1A8:5CE9:D42E:92B:FB84 (talk) 11:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

If you believe that there should be a Wikipedia article about your husband or his area of research you can attempt to do that yourself. However, such a task is extremely difficult for new editors, and you would be required to declare a conflict of interest. If he or his topic are truely notable, in time someone with no connection to him may create such, but there is no useful way of posting a request at Wikipedia for someone to take up the task. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

IP editor: we have a (poor) article on capital accumulation which sounds as though it is closely related to the topic; or reading that page may suggest to you other Wikipedia articles where your husband's research could be used as citations, assuming they were published in reliable sources. It would be much easier to contribute via existing articles than to create a new one from scratch. Note the template {{edit COI}} (click for details) that you can use on article Talk Pages to make suggestions for additions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

This article doi:10.1177/0486613403255542 and this book for example, are well-cited reviews. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for sharing this, I am myself touched by this gesture, though I am unfamiliar presently with the subject matter as of yet: this is a wonderful seed to be able to plant in honor of your loved one. The beautiful thing about academia is advances and catalyzation often happens when and where one least expects, so take it to heart that putting his work out there is already a wonderful tribute to his memory and life's work. I hope this finds you well. Remsense留 13:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

You may be interested in Wikpedia's sister project, Wikiversity. Uploading some of his research could potentially get more people interested in it as a field. Potentially you could get a former colleague of his to help you organize his notes for (online) print? Good wishes to you.

Canguild (talk) 14:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Entry on William Rimmer (artist)

I need help, if possible, with two cross references to Wikipedia articles. See the 6th paragraph in the Rimmer entry, listing the artists: Daniel Chester French, Anne Whitney and John LaFarge. The last two have their own wikipedia entries. French is the most famous of the three but, through oversight, has no Wikipedia entry. Can someone make the cross-references for me? Many thanks. DEvans2 (talk) 13:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

DEvans2 I don't see any mention of any of the three on William Rimmer (music). Is this the article you are talking about? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps William Rimmer? - UtherSRG (talk) 14:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Yup, this looks like the article in question. Are you asking how to make a link? Just surround the word/name in [[ and ]] braces. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll do that. DEvans2 (talk) 14:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

DEvans2 See Help:Linking, has a more detailed guide. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Re: Wm Rimmer (artist)

I began the brackets and that was enough to illuminate the names with apparently a cross link. All three students are on Wikipedia. I guess that's enough. Thanks so much to all of you. DEvans2 (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

No, Rimmer, the artist. I think someone else is helping. DEvans2 (talk) 14:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

IP blocking

My account operates with an underlying school IP. Recently there was a 31 hour block on the underlying IP for vandalism (from another student). If this happens again, would I be autoblocked from editing? What should I do if that happens?

Thanks, Pear 2.0 (say hi!) 14:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Pear1020: A block on a school IP was probably anon-only, which means that registered users can still log in and edit. You get autoblocks with vandal accounts. An autoblock is possible, though in my experience it's not very common for a school to use a single IP address, and have a vandal account and a good faith editor account on it within the same 24 hour period (see WP:AUTOBLOCK for details). If it happens, which it does sometimes, you can try using the {{unblock-auto}} template, which should be presented to you in the block message that you'll see. Admin response times may vary. If you get autoblocked a lot you could pester a checkuser for IP block exemption (and maybe some extra vandal account blocking on the school IP). -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 15:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I checked the block log - looks like there's a 5 year anon-only block I didn't notice so thankfully I probably won't have to worry about it. Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind in case something does come up. Pear 2.0 (say hi!) 15:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Server Error

I just encountered a Wikipedia Server Error and I'm not sure where to report about it. So, I decided to come here. The Screen was blanked and a message saying "503 Service Unavailable" was displayed, with additional text saying "No server is available to handle this request". Tried refreshing the page; but the error returned for a while. After a few minutes while refreshing the page; it redirected to the correct page.

I'm not sure what was the cause of this. It occurred at 14:49 (UTC), 28 November 2023 and stayed for a while. I added a Screenshot of the Error message for reference. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 15:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vestrian24Bio: I was getting that a bunch of times this morning (in my time zone). After trying a page several times, I would finally get through; and before long the problem went away in all cases. I assume it was just an odd, non-Thursday hiccup in the WP software. Nobody seems to have mentioned it at the Village Pump, so the problem must have been short-lived and not too irksome. Deor (talk) 23:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

A bit confused (as always)

I had been editing the [[Vesna Goldsworthy]] page. That has been completed. Today I received a link to her talk page: Talk:Vesna Goldsworthy: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia . Certainly I never wrote that I had AIDS, and that seems to have been deleted. Is this what the notice is telling me? Thanks. Oldsilenus (talk) 16:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Its just an IP Vandalism on the Talk page. But, it has been reverted by another user; So, no worries. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 16:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Oldsilenus: You say "I never wrote that I had AIDS". Does that mean you are Vesna Goldsworthy, the subject of the article? --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't interpret it like that; the claim appeared right below their signature. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 21:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, that's good to know, although I wasn't actually asking you for your interpretation, but was asking @Oldsilenus:. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks ever so much! for the answer.Oldsilenus (talk) 21:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Article to be Posted With no Reply

I've sent an article for review in May 2023, and I still have no reply if it was accepted or not. Please help to clarify on how long does it take to get a response. Thank you! ChanthyChun (talk) 17:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

According to your Talk page, Draft:ByDzyne was Declined twice in 2020 and then deleted in 2021 for inactivity. Your contributions show no other activity. What was the title of the article you are asking about? David notMD (talk) 17:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The title is ByDzyne Inc. ChanthyChun (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not show a draft titled Draft:ByDzyne Inc. or Draft:Byzyne David notMD (talk) 02:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Did you recently create a new version which was then Speedy deleted, leaving no trace of its existence? David notMD (talk) 08:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Training, choosing a career

Not certain if this is where this goes but I wasn't certain where else it would go either.

I've been poking around all the pages, trying to figure out what to sink my teeth into, and it seems there are several 'careers' of sorts (copyeditor, anti-vandalism, etc.) that one can go into. Some (most?) of these specialties seem to have groups of experienced mentors who will train new users in said 'career'. However, in exchange for their time commitment, they want the mentee to make a commitment of their own to being a dedicated member of that 'career'. I do understand, their time is valuable, but I don't want to promise to do something I don't know whether I'll like or even be any good at? And yes, most of them have a 'no absolute newbies' standard which I don't currently meet, but you do have to get to a certain level of skill at something to figure out if you actually dislike it or if you're just bad at doing it so you're constantly frustrated by your own inability to make what you desire reality.

So I guess, TLDR, if you don't want to make promises you can't keep, do you just teach yourself? And for future reference, how long does it generally to take whether you're still not proficient with a skill or whether you just dislike using it?

Canguild (talk) 18:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

This would really depend on what you're interested in. If you want to try anti-vandalism work, I'd recommend installing WP:TWINKLE and patrolling Special:RecentChanges. For copyediting, see Category:Articles needing cleanup and try to help out. You can even try to clean up by subject. For article writing, you can try to improve an article about a hobby or area of interest. You can use WP:Teahouse/Suggestions for a list of articles to edit based on your interests. If you tell me what specific task you want to try out, I can help more.

It normally took an hour or two to see if something was interesting for me, but it may differ for you. It takes much longer to be proficient, depending on the activity. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 18:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, I wasn't even entirely certain I'd learned the entire list of all possible career/task paths. If those are the main three, probably the easiest for me would be copyediting, but I definitely have some articles in mind I would like to write in the near(ish) future, so I'd like to leave room to pursue that. Then again, I don't want to not try anti-vandalism out, either, just because it'll always bother me if I never give it a shot. I guess I'll just start puttering away at things whenever I get the nerve.

Thanks for the info! Two hours is really fast, hopefully it goes even half that quickly for me. Canguild (talk) 19:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, those are the main three: writing/developing articles, copyediting articles, and protecting articles from vandalism. There are a variety of other niches (such as coding bots), but most require extensive knowledge of policy, extensive experience, and/or technical knowledge. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 20:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Speaking more generally: my experience has been more casual and less formal than what you've described. Without context, I infer that any "no absolute newbies" guideline can be about commitment, but experienced editors can and do leave, sometimes without warning. In my (perhaps unorthodox) view, the guideline is more about having a good grasp on mentee temperament: I can't tell how well you take constructive criticism or how bold of an editor you if you've just joined and have barely touched any articles.

In that vein: what I've found served me well personally is the ability to listen, accept being wrong, walk away, and follow WP:BRD. That applies whether you're adding content or fixing date formats. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I see! That makes sense.

The older I get, the more I find it returns to when you were a toddler: If you find yourself getting too worked-up, a time-out (or even a good nap) may be the only productive solution.

Canguild (talk) 19:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Canguild: In addition to the helpful advice above, I might recommend just being straightforward with the people you're asking for help. You could post on the talkpage of one of those experienced editors saying that you are considering trying out a certain task, but aren't sure yet if you'll like it, and then just ask if they would mind answering questions that arise for you even if you might not be doing this task in the long term. They might say they'd rather not, but my guess is that most people who have volunteered to help new people learn a task would say yes to that question. - Astrophobe (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Astrophobe Hmm, I see. To be honest it seems a bit nervewracking, but as they say - if you venture nothing you gain nothing. I'd probably be better off making myself look like a more worthwhile candidate for their limited time first, though. Canguild (talk) 19:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Canguild: That's understandable, and certainly nobody can or will make you do it. But this is a collaborative encyclopedia, so I think whatever path you choose here, these kinds of interactions with others will be necessary. The good news is that you are already doing a great job of it here at the teahouse. :-) - Astrophobe (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I have pretty diverse interests in terms of what I do on Wikipedia, and at no point have I had a mentor. Then again, I'm the kind of person who from the outset surfed through all the WP:PAG they could find. Point is, if you're willing to do the reading up on your own, you can totally just try something out without having to look for a mentor. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 19:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I feel you there! I'm still browsing at the moment, I keep getting midway through an article and then coming to a term I can't proceed without understanding so I have to open it up in a new tab and then read that entire page, whereupon there is another term-- You get the picture. (Can you tell my ADHD is currently kicking my butt up and down the block?) Thanks for the reply! Canguild (talk) 19:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Moving draft with review pending to mainspace

Hi, I recently just created my first article through the AfC process, and now it's been waiting for a review for a couple days. I realised that as an autoconfirmed user I can just move the draft into mainspace and I'm fairly confident that the article is up to standard. Am I allowed to remove the "Review Waiting" tag and move the page? Here is the article draft in question: Draft:College Square (Dublin) LynxesDesmond (talk) 18:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@LynxesDesmond: You are, yes. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Not specific to this situation at all—just in general: if you are autoconfirmed and put something in the mainspace, you want to be prepared to defend it at Articles for Deletion if someone thinks the sources you provide don't show that the subject meets criteria for a standalone article. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Mass Change

Hello, Teahouse. Today my question is as follows: would it be recommended to change (move/reformat) all articles pertaining to the supreme court in one of the United States into this format for consistency: (Supreme Court of XXXX)? I noticed inconsistency within the titles throughout various states and this format would fit all states consistently. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi UnexpectedSmoreInquisition. I think such a mass change would be unwise. The names of the highest courts are set by each state (presumably in each state's constitution). Some of the states' highest courts don't even have the term "supreme court" contained in their name (e.g. New York Court of Appeals, Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court). Consistency in related article titles is one of our article title criteria, but getting the names right is more important. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @Firefangledfeathers. I was under the assumption the names were colloquial, not legal. My mistake. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Happy to help! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition. Actually the primary choice of name is neither official nor colloquial but whatever name is used in the bulk of the reliable sources: see WP:COMMONNAME. So if in fact all the newspapers referred to all the courts as "Supreme Court of XXXX" then your consistent choice would be appropriate. ColinFine (talk) 10:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, luckily for me, it seems each supreme court has a website that states their name. However, news reports are conflicting on some, but I'll comb through a couple and report back here later. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 12:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Wondering how I should cite this

Hello! Writing an article and want to cite this article but am unsure how to as automatic citation doesn't work and it doesn't seem to fit the definition of any of the categories for manual citations. Any answers greatly appreciated :D Pothos144 (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to teach you to do it, but I would be happy to cite it for you. Could you link the draft? UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 18:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Austroniidae here it is! Thank you for your reply~~~~ Pothos144 (talk) 19:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Alright, added the citation for you! You can move it wherever you want if you remove it, it should stay. Best wishes, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@UnexpectedSmoreInquisition I don't think your edit was actually saved, my friend. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that, I probably would have closed it otherwise. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Reliable source to use to write an article about a K-pop idol

Is NME a reliable source that I can use to write an article about a K-pop idol? Sunshine Owl (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply! Sunshine Owl (talk) 20:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Music

I am a Canadian singer, songwriter with music on all major streaming channels. I am a member of the CCMA and CMA. I have recorded a total 31 songs and released 26 so far. My distributor is Distrokid. I would appreciate If I could be part of the Singer, Songwriter list. Thanks Malcolm Foenander 2001:1970:4BA8:6000:B45A:9F1B:6C9D:FB6 (talk) 20:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

That's probably not going to happen, Malcolm Foenander. Singer-songwriter features very well known Singer-songwriters. Your career seems to be a couple of years old? [3] Beyond that observation, wikipedia does not take requests for inclusions on lists. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

List of singer-songwriters includes all who have a page, and no other criteria. If you meet the criteria to have a page, you may be listed, but please note that we recommend people not to write articles about themselves. Mach61 (talk) 20:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Malcolm. Basically, like hundreds of artists, business people, and others, you have the erroneous basic assumption that Wikipedia is a place to publicize yourself. It is not, in any way. Wikipedia can have an article about you only if you have been indepedently written about sufficiently to meet Wikipedia's criteria for WP:notability, and if that does happen, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, and will not necessarily say what you want it to say. I suggest you concentrate on places that allow promotion. ColinFine (talk) 10:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Reviewed article not indexed by Google

I created the article Redmond Central Connector over two weeks ago. It was reviewed the same day I created it. However, Google is not indexing it. Other reviewed pages of a similar age are being indexed. How can I fix this, if possible? DirtyHarry991 (talk) 00:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

You're right, it's not indexed by Google but is by, say, Duckduckgo. I can't suggest anything; we've had problems with Google before, but it's wholly outside of our control. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

It might just have bad SEO, if you haven't looked multiple pages. @hotel, which I moved to mainspace, doesn't show up at the top of searches for "athotel" (and "@hotel" is identical to "hotel") Mach61 (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@DirtyHarry991 i tried checking the cached version of the page and it is showing a different wiki page: Eastside Rail Corridor. Have you implemented the redirection from Redmond Central Connector to Eastside Rail Corridor earlier? Vbhavanisankar (talk) 04:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Redmond Central Connector originally redirected to Eastside Rail Corridor. When I wrote the article for Redmond Central Connector, an admin performed a round-robin move so I could create the page. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 07:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for checking the caches, it appears that Google has not crawled any of the pages that link to my article since Nov. 12. I will try making edits to linked pages to see if that will make it update. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 07:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome. You can try sharing the link on social media handles to enhance the chances of the page being indexed by Google. Additionally, since the page has very few words, consider adding more content. Vbhavanisankar (talk) 07:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Upscaling infobox image?

Article I'm about to nominate for GA status: Letterpress

Currently, the game's icon isn't as large as I wanted to be. I'd like the main image to match articles like Doodle Jump or Angry Birds, but I don't know how to edit an image. Thanks, Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 01:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: It's a fair-use image of minimal size. The Doodle Jump.png image copyright has been confirmed as CC licenced. Angry Birds is judged not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection. Letterpress is considered to be copyright protected, and so you will not be able to expand its size. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

This image almost certainly falls below the threshold of originality in the US, and can be uploaded at high resolution on Commons. No comment on how to edit the image. Mach61 (talk) 03:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Referencing a newspaper supplement

I'd like to reference an article in the arts supplement of a British Sunday newspaper from 1990. This pull-out section has separate pagination and is marked "E". If I gave the page-number as "E1", would that be acceptable? Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (talk) 01:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Per$1$tenceofv1$1on

@Per$1$tenceofv1$1on: Yes it would. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Deleting article draft

Hello, I attempted to make my first article but after feedback I realize that it should not be made as it does not meet notability criteria. Other than waiting for enough time to elapse without edits, is there a way to "delete" the article draft? I'm sorry if it's obvious and I simply missed it. I really appreciate the help <3 Thyrogoblin (talk) 01:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Thyrogoblin: Add {{db-self}} to it. That'll do it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

With that tag at the top, an Admin will get to it. David notMD (talk) 02:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Add List of Gait Types in Gait Article

I'm new here & trying to figure out how all this works. I asked a question on Gait:Talk but didn't get a reply so thought I'd ask it here.

In the Gait article, I'm interested in adding a section called Gait Types that would give a description of various gait types (e.g., walk, trot, gallop, etc.) While various gaits are mentioned in this article, it doesn't give a description of each one. Is this the best article to add such a list? Or, is there a better place to put the list. Once the list is added, then when other articles mention a particular gait, it can be linked here, so the description of the gait does not have to be repeated. Most of the info would be from Elbroch's "Mammal Tracks & Sign". Wanted to get people's opinions, as once I spend the time to create the list, I didn't want it to be immediately deleted if people thought it was not useful. Sunandshade (talk) 01:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

At a quick look, there is a gap on WP for a list of gait types. It's unclear whether it should be a section on Gait, or a self-standing 'List of...' article. That might depend on how long it is, and how general versus how species-specific it is; and whether or not it lists abnormal gaits. You mention "walk, trot, gallop, etc.", but I see on Gait (human) eight or so abnormal gaits; and then, on Gait, concepts such as 'alternating tripod gait of walking desert ants'. If we're agreed that there is a gap, then it's probably fine to start the work wherever - such as in Gait - since if necessary it can be moved. Seems to be it would only be deleted if it was terrible work, or a copyvio, so maybe avoid both of those? --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your confirmation that it is needed. My plan was to have a short description of common gaits so it would be a short list (to start, at least). I'll start by putting it in Gait & see how it fits in. I plan to get some info from the book I mentioned. The book is 600+ pages long & I plan to used a few concepts from it so I assume it would not be a copyright problem (just guessing here). I'll try to do quality work.

Once I have it written, it would be nice if other articles can link to a specific gait (e.g., trot). I know how to link to an article, or a section in an article, but how do you link to a specific sentence/paragraph in an article? Sunandshade (talk) 02:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

It is not very likely that other articles will link to the list. I suspect for any major gait, WP will have an article - trot, canter and gallop, running &c - and it is to these that uses of the term in other articles should link. There is information at Help:Link#Section linking (anchors) for how to link to units smaller than a section, but it is rarely done on WP afaik. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

How do I delete an image?

Article I'm improving: Letterpress

I've found an alternative image that I can use for the infobox, but it would be useless having two images of the same logo. How do I delete an image from Wikipedia? Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 02:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

You do not need to delete anything. If you have a better image for the infobox, remove the small fair use image filename from | image = App icon for Letterpress iOS.png and add your newly found filename. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

1652

What time did Jesus not know? .... Enlighten me. Seventhsent001 (talk) 02:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Your question makes no sense, so, hard to do. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for questions about using Wikipedia. Try asking your question at WP:RDH, but try to make your question clear. RudolfRed (talk) 02:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I have indefinitely blocked Seventhsent001. Their contributions are gibberish. Cullen328 (talk) 02:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Jesus did not know "Clobberin' time!", "Show time!", "In the nick of time", bed time or Daylight Savings Time.— Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 03:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

As a carpenter, he would presumably have known when to Stop--Hammer Time. DMacks (talk) 06:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

if he saw everyone's personal info sins across all the times ever that one time, he would probably know what all of those were cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 11:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

In case anyone wants an actual answer to this question, it is "the time of his second coming". See Matthew 24:36. -- asilvering (talk) 23:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Notability

Are there special significance criteria for deceased people? 178.204.152.206 (talk) 03:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

No. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

No, the Notability guideline for people applies to all people, living or dead. There is a special, stringent policy for biographies of living people because of the potential for real damage that a poorly written biography presents. See WP:BLP for complete details. Cullen328 (talk) 03:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much 178.204.152.206 (talk) 03:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

But in the articles that lists deceased people not all of them are notable; for example, see Deaths in 2023. Aminabzz (talk) 17:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: There's a comment in the article which states "If a Wikipedia article for the dead does not yet exist, reconsider whether the subject is actually notable. If so, consider writing an article yourself. Those without a Wikipedia article are removed after one month." GoingBatty (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Redirect hatnote with accent

Ponzoña redirects to Américo Rocca, and I added a Template:Redirect hatnote for the Purple Kiss song that has the same name but without the accent. However, I added the hatnote without the accent since Ponzona (without the accent) leads you to the redirect page with the accent. Should the hatnote have the accent? ayakanaa ( t · c ) 03:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Stop asking me to donate

I don't want to donate to you. No thanks. I am extremely poor as it is, i can literally hold my all of my cash balance in my hands right now. It's fifteen dollars. Literally. Fifteen dollars. And I can't spend my fifteen dollars because everybody hates me. They wont sell things to me. So i live in this dilapidated, destroyed house that nobody cares about me being in. Half my insulation is missing and my window doesn't close very easily. Even if i had more than 15 dollars, i can't give it to you because it's physical cash. I cannot email you cash. I can MAIL you cash but that's more than fifteen bucks. I am seriously thinking of whether i will die tonight of sheer cold simply by freezing to death in my sleep, and you think i can give you money.

My fingers are pink already and it's only 8:45 pm as I'm typing this. I wish I had the nerve to beg everybody for money but i don't. I can't. I need to conserve energy. I should seriously stop typing this but i don't care anymore. You can pry my money from my cold dead hands, literally, my cold dead hands. It is absolutely fucking freezing out here. And you want me to spare you 3 dollars. Insane. Go sleep in your nice, warm server room. Hope you're happy.

Stay humble. 2601:204:C500:1280:8D0F:A955:E466:2147 (talk) 04:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Bummer. If you register and use a wikipedia account, you can then set your account preferences such that you are not shown donation adverts; see Preferences / Banners. --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no one who is presently reading this is responsible for the fundraising regimen or its banners, we are all just volunteers here. If you want to make the banners go away permanently, one way to do that is to create an account, and you can disable to display of fundraising banners or other types as well in your account preferences. Hope this helps. Remsense留 04:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, that $15 is more than I've ever gotten for 10 years of editing. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Another method to disable donation banners is to use the Thank You page. This will suppress banners on the same device using the same browser. However, you have to go to this page on every device, and it's probably better to just register, sync histories between devices, then Preferences → Banners → Fundarising ~~2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 05:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

The bottom line is that nobody, whether extremely poor or very wealthy or anywhere in between is obligated to donate money to the Wikimedia Foundation, which is rolling in cash. They certainly do not need money from poor people. This is a free encyclopedia snd we take that literally. I have been a Wikipedia editor for 14 years, and an adminstrator for six years, and I have never donated a penny to the Wikimedia Foundation. Instead, I have donated countless thousands of hours to expanding and improving this encyclopedia, which I consider to be much more valuable than a few bucks here and there, which are quickly forgotten. Cullen328 (talk) 09:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

No one wants you to donate if you cannot afford it. A donation is just that- a donation, not a demand for payment. As noted by others, you can make the messages go away if you create an account and disable them in your account preferences. Without an account, Wikipedia has no way to know that you have seen the donation requests. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Undisclosed Payment

I began to edit my first major page for Yinka Ash, a fashion designer in Nigeria and I guess I messed up and now the article is flagged as most likely done with undisclosed Payment, which I did not get paid for.

How do I fix it?

Anoghena Okoyomoh (talk) 06:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

It was added by @Fred Zepelin:. I've removed it. You two should discuss the issue. If you do have WP:COI you need to declare it, Anoghena Okoyomoh. If you do not, then you do not. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I really do not, I just wanted to contribute, I guess I was too enthusiastic, but I see the photo I used for the subject matter, I got from his website, so I took that down as well. Thank you so very much, I think I'll just take a back seat for now, don't wanna ruin someone's image because of me. Anoghena Okoyomoh (talk) 09:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Anoghena Okoyomoh, remember that every image used on wikipedia needs to be free to use - you can't use a copyrighted image from someone's website. If you try to use an image like that, we're all going to assume that you are the copyright holder, which would mean that you have a conflict of interest. -- asilvering (talk) 23:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

oh, that makes sense, I will note this. Thank you so much Anoghena Okoyomoh (talk) 08:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone tell me, where is problem in my draft?

draft: Needy Foundation Md Shahedul Alam Khan (talk) 06:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Md Shahedul Alam Khan: Welcome to the Teahouse! To demonstrate that this organization meets Wikipedia's definition of a "notable" organization, you should write the draft based on what independent sources have published about the organization. At first glance, it appears that 13 of the 16 references are from the Needy Foundation, which would be primary sources. However, at closer inspection, it appears that you uploaded photos to Wikimedia Commons and then using them as sources, and these cannot be used as references. If you are being paid by this organization, or you are otherwise affiliated with the organization, then you have a conflict of interest that you need to disclose before continuing with the draft. GoingBatty (talk) 07:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Md Shahedul Alam Khan, Infobox lists you as the founder. Are you trying to create an article for your organization? Jeraxmoira (talk) 07:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Md Shahedul Alam Khan. Like most inexperienced Wikipedia editors who try the challenging task of creating an article, you have gone about it BACKWARDS (please read the essay at that link).

I always advise new editors to spend some weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles before trying this difficult task. ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Commons User:Abhilash Pillai V

• Courtesy link: c:User:Abhilash Pillai V

This page created on wikipedia has been rejecting saying that the username exists already

Abhilash Pillai V (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

At Commons you created an article-like page that has been nominated for Speedy deletion. Commmons is for images. At Wikipedia you created the same content at your User page User:Abhilash Pillai V. This has also been nominated for Speedy deletion. See WP:UP for purposes of User page. If you are convinced that you as a topic is article worthy (see WP:AUTO) then use WP:YFA to create and submit a draft. David notMD (talk) 08:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Abhilash Pillai V, I notice that your page User:Abhilash Pillai V tells the reader that "his unwavering commitment to filmmaking soon bore fruit". I get the impression from this kind of thing that you wish to promote yourself here. Comments? -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Unable To Upload Content

I don't why, but for some time I am unable to access Wikipedia commons and cant upload any material. Was I banned? Procrastinater (talk) 07:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Procrastinater! You do not seem to be blocked from Commons. Are you sure you are logged in there? -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 08:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Procrastinater: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you provide more details, we can provide more assistance. What is the URL of the Wikimedia Commons page you are trying to access? What steps are you performing on that page? What results are you receiving? GoingBatty (talk) 15:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, GoingBatty. I get this error as soon as i launch wikipedia commons home page using URL:https://commons.wikimedia.org/

This site can’t be reached

commons.wikimedia.org’s DNS address could not be found. Diagnosing the problem.

DNS_PROBE_POSSIBLE

I have designed some vector images for different forces , wanted to upload them. Please Help. Procrastinater (talk) 17:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

That's a problem at your end - in your computer / phone or router. See https://www.wpoven.com/blog/dns_probe_possible/ for instance. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Procrastinater: If you can't resolve that issue in a reasonable amount of time, you could upload the images to the English Wikipedia, and then ask for help to have them exported to Commons. GoingBatty (talk) 17:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Editing in two languages

I would like to edit in two languages. I understand that the number of my contributions is liked to various editing privileges: does that mean I need to maintain two accounts, one for each language ? Or will a single account be able to handle different privileges in different languages ? (eg allowed to edit semi-protected articles in language A but not allowed to in language B) דןברקת (talk) 08:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @דןברקת, and welcome to the Teahouse! Since unified login was introduced, accounts on all Wikimedia projects are linked. This means you just need to login to the other wiki, and an account will be created for you automatically. And yes, edit counts are counted separately for each wiki, as you describe. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 08:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@דןברקת If you wish to, you can see your contributions across various language Wikipedias. Be aware, though, that it doesn't show everything - just 20 edits per wiki. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@דןברקת just in case you're interested in translation, you may want to read WP:HOWTRANS. -- asilvering (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Using a Wikidata photo on a Wikipedia page

Somewhere I saw a page explaining how to do this and how attribute properly but I have no idea where it is now. So... what is the proper form of attribution under Creative Commons licence CC0 and where do I put it? Thank you so much. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 08:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Oona Wikiwalker, if you see a photo at Wikidata, it's already at Wikimedia Commons. And since it's there, you can use it in Wikipedia. Click on it, get its title, and use that. Example: c:File:Facing library at the University of Rochester.jpg is a photo at Commons that's not yet used in Wikipedia. In order to use it, add File:Facing library at the University of Rochester.jpg to the article. -- Hoary (talk) 09:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

What a relief! Thank you so much!Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 09:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

One wiki account login to two device.

Actually I wanted to know from senior wikipedians, if it is possible to access only one account on the two device (like office system and my phone)? This is my account that remains connected to the office system. But I'm often not in the office. Can I sign in to the same account on my phone? What is your approach? Please guide me.

Thanks with regards! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 10:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman: Yes, it is absolutely possible to stay logged in to the same account on multiple devices – if you select "Keep me logged in" while logging in, as long as you do not click the log out button and have cookies enabled in your browser (if you don't know if cookies are enabled, they probably are), you should automatically remain logged in. Tollens (talk) 11:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

DYK entry

I decided to post a new DYK entry for the main page. I've never done it before, but it looks buggy on the talk page there. I wasn't sure where to post about it looking bugged out, Template talk:Did you know , and I wasn't sure how to fix it. Anyone around that knows what to do? Regards Govvy (talk) 11:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

nm, I think I fixed it. Govvy (talk) 12:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Govvy Yes, that did it (despite my subsequent attempt to mess things up, which I self-reverted)! Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

How to fix my draft for publishing?

hello i have been trying to publish an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:1947:_Brexit_India) but it gets declined every time. I, infact, also added the news articles available in the public domain in the reference section yet its getting turned down. Can you tell me the reason for this and how to fix this. Offmark1 (talk) 12:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Offmark1, and welcome to the Teahouse. The only way to fix this is by finding sources which actually contribute to establishing that the film is notable. Some of them may be reliable (though the Times of India is not widely regarded that way) but none of them appear to be independent of Irani and his associates. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 13:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Offmark1 you might find WP:ICTFSOURCES useful. It's a list of sources by reliability specifically maintained by the cinema task force of WP:INDIA. -- asilvering (talk) 23:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

hi the fix

You are not logged in. To be notified when someone replies and receive attribution with your name instead of your IP address, you can log in or create an account.

By clicking "Add topic", you agree to our Ter 50.214.163.201 (talk) 12:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello! I can't understand your question – if you were looking to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you do have a question about using or editing Wikipedia, would you please clarify what you're asking about? Tollens (talk) 12:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Article update

Hi. I'm trying to update my wikipedia page with proof that a section was purely rumours. I have sworn affidavits to provide and would like to have my edit approved please. Ralimampeule (talk) 13:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Ralimampeule Hello and welcome. Court documents or affidavits are primary sources. If the sources summarized in the article about you(not "your wikipedia page") are not being summarized accurately, please detail the errors on Talk:Rali Mampeule along with independent reliable sources that support your proposed edits. If the sources are summarized accurately, but are in error, you will need to first take that up with the sources, but then follow the advice either on your user talk page, or at WP:LIBEL. 331dot (talk) 13:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library

Hello Teahouse. Today my question is: could someone with access to the Wikipedia library please help me out? I'm aware I do not have access to the resources within, but wish to research a subject somewhat hard to find sources for, but close to completion. The article in question is about fueskichelcher, a Luxembourgish pastry. I'm trying to find just a couple more citations. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 14:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @UnexpectedSmoreInquisition! I have performed searches for all three terms specified in your draft in ProQuest and EBSCOhost, which turned up nothing useful. However, I proceeded to also search with the free Google Scholar, which gave me a citation to a book called Lëtzebuergesch schwätzen: Einblick in die luxemburgische Sprache. I cannot get the book myself, but maybe you can find it at a library. I also found an article in Russian, called "Люксембургская кулинарная лексика: страноведческий и языковой аспекты" there. It's available online, but I'm not sure whether it's okay to link here. Hope this helps. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 14:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @UnexpectedSmoreInquisition: Welcome to the Teahouse! I went to the Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library page, and found that you could also ask for assistance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Just adding that if you go to resource request it will be much more helpful if you can ask for a specific source. Editors there aren't intending to do the research for you, just to give you access to the sources that you're paywalled from. -- asilvering (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Cannot change the title of our page after name change

Dear All,

How can I change the title of an article (in our case United Business School) to reflect our rebranding (change to "UBI Business School"): United Business Institutes

Thank you! Vincentwy.tam (talk) 14:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Vincentwy.tam Hello and welcome. Changing the title of an article requires what in Wikipedia jargon is called a page move; you may request this at Requested Moves- but first you will will need to declare your relationship with this institution. If you work for them, see WP:PAID. If you have some other relationship with them where you are not paid, see WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 14:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

submission rejected?

can you tell me why my submission was not approved if any mistake? please guide me any one Ahmed12322 (talk) 16:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Ahmed12322: there are two obvious reasons why User:Ahmed12322/sandbox was declined. It cites no sources, and it doesn't start by stating what its subject is. Maproom (talk) 16:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

(ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you seen the advice left by reviewers at the top of your draft? (which is User:Ahmed12322/sandbox) Your draft is completely unsourced, and written in the style of an essay, not an encyclopedia article. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ahmed12322: The draft also contains elements of "how-to" writing, which a Wikipiedia article should not. Deor (talk) 01:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Royal titulary

In articles for Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs (from Akhenaten to Senusret III and others), in the infobox there is a "Royal titulary" with a "show" link with it. But when we click on the show button nothing happens. Aminabzz (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Works for me. Try raising the issue at Template talk:Infobox pharaoh. Also try different browsers, disabling extensions, etc. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Works for me too. @Sungodtemple, your username kinda sounds like it was written in hieroglyphs originally! And I'm a little surprised I actually spelled hieroglyphs correctly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: Most editors use the desktop site where it works for me but it's broken in mobile. Please say if you use the mobile version when you report interface and layout issues. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Yes; I'm using mobile phone. I will try on desktop too. Aminabzz (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: The bottom of pages in the mobile version have a "Desktop" link. This works for me on an iPhone 8. If I log out in mobile then a third thing happens: There is no show link (and the hidden content is still not displayed). I will look into the issue more when I have better time and see if I can fix it or report it to the right people. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I used the desktop version and it worked. I also logged out on mobile and I didn't see the show link just like you. Aminabzz (talk) 22:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Filling in missing chemicals

Is it useful to start creating articles from red links on User:Graeme_Bartlett/missing_chemicals? I noticed that some of these articles might already exist or have disambiguation-style articles already (e.g., a listed missing article is Amyl bromide, but this is covered under Bromopentane though the specific chemical amyl bromide is referring to does not have its own article (which would probably be titled 1-Bromopentane). The info on most of these pages I would be creating would have a basic chembox with information from Pubchem/Chemspider and a physical description from CAMEO, maybe some uses if they're easily found on Pubchem literature. Reconrabbit (talk) 17:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I want to add that for a lot of these chemicals, it's difficult to provide more information than a cursory description and their physical properties, as most of the literature covering more in-depth use are primary sources from scientific journals and would require published synthesis that does not exist yet. Reconrabbit (talk) 17:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Reconrabbit There are a lot of "missing" chemicals which would have plenty of secondary sources: natural products for example. However, if you want specific types almost certain to be notable, take a look a the red links on list of insecticides, list of fungicides and list of herbicides. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

No Edit Button, Only Edit Source

Hi all. I am trying to make edits to an article I wrote, but for some reason, the "edit" button has completely disappeared, and I can only see "edit source" now to edit the wikicode. Does anyone know what happened and how I can get the "edit" button back so I can edit the page using the visual editor? Spatton27 (talk) 19:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Spatton27: Check the Editing section of your Preferences to see if "Enable visual editor" somehow became unselected. RudolfRed (talk) 19:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Spatton27 to add to this, you can have both appear as well. That is useful if you prefer doing different tasks with the visual editor vs the code editor

But also in some namespaces you can't use visual editor, here you can only edit source for example. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Spatton27 In addition to the advice above, whenever you're using one of our two editors, it's easy to switch back and forth between them at any time during the editing process (even without saving what you're doing). Look for the dark, sloping pencil icon on the right-hand side of the editing toolbar menu. Click that and you can select the other one to work with, and then switch back again if you want to. (I do this quite a bit when working with citations, as I prefer entering my details in source editor before returning to Visual Editor to carry on editing). Hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you all so much! I was able to access the visual editor using the pencil as you recommended. I appreciate your quick help! Spatton27 (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

How can I appeal a draft deletion that was not reversed?

Over the last two years I've slowely chipped away at this draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Machan_Taylor. I logged in today to add resources and keep pruning the page but discovered it had been deleted for inactivity, which is understandable. But my request for the draft to be restored was declined, stating the page was a copyright violation of the artist's bio. I have never used any content from the artist bio to build this page. Can someone please help me with this issue? ADDENDUM: I've looked at the artist's bio page and I don't see the anything remotely close to any copying from her website. I can't help that the chronology of her history will be a consistent timeline no matter where her history is outlined. Please help. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 21:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother, you'll have to take this up with the admin who declined your refund request. -- asilvering (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hm sorry, that might not have been a full answer to your question. You can ask the admin directly on their talk page. Make sure you give a link to the draft like you did here, so they know what you're talking about. -- asilvering (talk) 23:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother, you asked for undeletion of Machan Taylor, which was deleted as a copyvio in 2016. You need to ask for undeletion of Draft:Machan Taylor, which was deleted as abandoned on October 3, 2023. Meters (talk) 01:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, that all makes sense now and I got the help I needed. I truly appreciate everyone's help. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 01:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Two questions

Hullo, peolpes. This was originally just one question, but I realized I had another question. Question one: I recently decided to have some topicons on my user page, and I was wondering if there was any way to have the topicons in a specific order, or if it is just random. Question two: I have a user subpage for my awards. I was asking if there was a way to have the award templates in a sort of "gallery" similar to image galleries. That's all. Thanccs! Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 21:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

For topicons order, you should be able to use |sortkey=. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

"mark my edits as minor by default"

Where'd that go? Did the minor-edits-are-bad-we-should-deprecate-them group succeed in removing that option via an RfC? Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Edward-Woodrow. It was removed from the English Wikipedia in 2011 after huge support at Help talk:Minor edit/Archive 1#Should we remove the Preference setting to "Mark all edits minor by default" ? and Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 69#"Mark all edits as minor by default" should be disabled. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

In 2011? Funny, I only started editing last year. Clearly, my memory is playing tricks on me... Edward-Woodrow (talk) 22:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Edward-Woodrow: Special:CentralAuth/Edward-Woodrow shows you have edited several Wikimedia wikis. The English Wikipedia is the only one where the option is removed. It's done with code in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=CommonSettings.php:

// T26313, turn off minordefault on enwiki
if ( $wgDBname === 'enwiki' ) {
	$wgHiddenPrefs[] = 'minordefault';
}

There may be some editing tool which adds a similar option for edits made with the tool. The removed preference was at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing, and still is at other wikis like commons:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Why is this message a warning?

When you want to log in to your account (on mobile view) you see this message:

"Wikipedia is made by people like you.

Log in to contribute."

But the message has a warning sign. Why is this a warning? This is just a simple sentence about Wikipedia.

Please remove the warning sign. User:Aminabzz (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Aminabzz where? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I again forgot to mention the browser and OS. I will edit the entry. Aminabzz (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: The icon can be seen by logged out users at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin. uselang=qqx shows that we can change the text at MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-generic-login-new but the icon is added by MediaWiki itself. I don't know why a warning icon is used. MediaWiki changes can be requested at Phabricator. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Agreed. It's too menacing to novice unregistered editors, because it's a big scary sign that confuses people. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 23:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

"You are already logged in as Aminabzz. Use the form below to log in as another user."

Even this has a warning icon! Aminabzz (talk) 23:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Signing again

Whenever I edit my entries on teahouse or talk pages I remove my previous signature and add the four tildes again (on both mobile and desktop views) Because the hour of previous signature differs from current time.

Is it a must do in editing the talk entries? If yes, can we have it fixed so that we don't have to resign our talk entries when editing them? I mean to have signatures update on their own. Aminabzz (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: I don't think I've ever edited the date on my signature, and I don't think you should. It's supposed to be when the comment was added, also to give some clarity on the timeline of the discussion.

By the way, if you add five tildes (~~~~~), you'll get just the date (23:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)) QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 23:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines § Editing own comments says that Best practice is to add a new timestamp, e.g., <ins>; edited ~~~~~</ins>, using five tildes, after the original timestamp at the end of your post. Rusty4321 ^{talk contribs} 23:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Editing other editors' comments

Why are regular editors able to edit other editors' comments? Shouldn't it be something that only a mod can do?

At least we (as regular editors) can just suggest edits to other editors' comments so that they approve or reject. Aminabzz (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I mean, you can edit minor stuff like format errors, layout errors, unsigned signature, remove off-topic posts, etc. (Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Examples of appropriately editing others' comments) Rusty4321 ^{talk contribs} 23:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

And a user with bad intentions can remove a whole section with all of its comments. I think it's better to prevent than to cure. Aminabzz (talk) 00:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I suspect the removal of this ability would require major changes to the programming of the platform, but I have no technical knowledge of the matter.

However, actually changing another's comment is very heavily frowned upon in the community. Even correcting an obvious typo that's breaking an intended link, or wikilinking an unlinked word, are things which in the past I have done (once!) and been admonished for (even after adding my own comment saying what I had done and why). Instead one should, in most users' opinions, add one's own (polite) comment with the necessary correction.

Any edit to another's comment usually noticed and complained about by the original commenter and/or others in the discourse very quickly, and I believe persistent offenders have in the past been blocked if not banned.

Wikipedia does not have "mods" as such (see Wikipedia:Moderators): the community as a whole does the "modding" by consensus. Admins have some analogous powers, but don't use them for such a purpose. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.32 (talk) 09:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Photos of corpses

Hi teahouse, can anyone point me to a style guideline, essay, or discussion anywhere about the use of photos of corpses in articles? I'm of course aware of WP:NOTCENSORED, but it's very normal for press and publishers to have some kind of guideline on when they are useful and when they are crossing a line (into voyeurism, privacy/rights violations, tastelessness, and all kinds of other reasons), and I expect we've had that discussion somewhere. -- asilvering (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: Closest I can find at the moment is Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#Offensive_images. RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @RudolfRed, that's close enough. -- asilvering (talk) 06:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Singer- Songwriter

Trying to write my biography Anthon Joseph Caesar Aka Mafiandan6ixx Singer Songwriter and a Graphics Designer Born And Raise In Guyana at the age of 10 Years Old He Started Music And Since Then He's Making Ways Genre Gothic Dancehall record label is Mafiandan6ixx Entertainment.

https://w.wiki/8Kaw Caesar 199726 (talk) 23:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

If you want to have a Wikipedia article you have to be notable enough. For example, you should be at least as famous as James Hetfield. Aminabzz (talk) 00:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Caesar 199726 User pages are not the place to attempt drafting an article. See WP:YFA for how to create and submit a draft. For a living person, all facts must be supported by independent references (see WP:42). Per WP:AUTO attempts at autobiography are frowned upon. See WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 03:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: A musician does not have to be as famous as James Hetfield for Wikipedia to have an article about them.

@Caesar 199726. The actual Wikipedia notability criteria for musicians are at WP:MUSICBIO. GoingBatty (talk) 03:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Fast Scrolling the notifications

On mobile phone I have to fast scroll down or up the notifications with my finger twice. With the first attempt nothing happens. With the second attempt the page scrolls. Do others have the same issue? I've never experienced it before. Aminabzz (talk) 00:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Time Zone

On Phabricator I corrected my time zone and it told me all your time zones on platforms have been synched. But here I still see the UTC time. Aminabzz (talk) 00:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Aminabzz. The time zone setting at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering controls the display of log entries like page histories, user contributions and watchlists. Signatures are saved in the wikitext and not affected by that setting. Here at the English Wikipedia, Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets has the option "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time". See more at Wikipedia:Comments in Local Time. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Broken link

There’s a page called “Article Deletion” linked in Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a forum. I think it was deleted and I want to replace it, but I can’t find a page with the same name. I’m really new to Wikipedia and I don’t want to risk accidental vandalism. What can I do? Thanks! Koitoast (talk) 01:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Koitoast: That was a user's essay that was deleted. I don't think anything replaced it, so I suggest just removing it from that See Also section. RudolfRed (talk) 01:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Signatures for articles guide?

Is there a tutorial or guide on how to make signatures for various people's articles?

Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 02:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@KatoKungLee: A signature that you might see on an article (e.g. Bill Gates) is just an image - see Help:Images. There are some instructions on how to use the various signature-related parameters of an infobox at Template:Infobox person#Parameters. There is also some information at commons:When to use the PD-signature tag. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Stjepan Miletić

I recently created the Stjepan Miletić page, but it doesn't link to any of the other language pages that exist, such as hr:Stjepan Miletić. I don't like using the translate option when I create pages from Croatian Wikipedia, so I avoid it. When I created the page for Milan Ogrizović, a very charitable Wikipedian fixed the issue for me, but I would like to know how to do it from now on so that I could avoid having to bother another for help. TL;DR: How do I link a Croatian language Wikipedia page on a topic to the English language one I created? Thanks in advance! ThaesOfereode (talk) 03:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@ThaesOfereode: Welcome to the Teahouse! Here are the steps you can follow:

1. Go to hr:Stjepan Miletić
2. Find the Wikidata link, which is called "Stavka na Wikipodatcima"
3. At the top right of the Wikidata page is a list of 5 entries for Wikipedias with an article about Miletić. Click the "edit" link.
4. A new entry is created at the bottom of this section. Enter "en" in the wiki field and "Stjepan Miletić" in the other field. Then click "publish".
5. Go to the English Wikipedia article for Stjepan Miletić. At the top right, confirm that it now links to the other 5 Wikipedias you saw on Wikidata.

Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Entry on Gilbert Stuart (artist)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gilbert_Stuart&action=edit

I'm trying to update and correct the entry but am thwarted. Under endnote 43, would someone please add pp. 80, 105-06, and 118. And please eliminate the automated notations at the ends of notes 43 and 44. In note 49, the surname is Fielding, not Mantle.

The notes are out of order in the text: see note 18 after 33. In note 13, it's odd to include the street address of the press. I would put this book: Genius of Gilbert Stuart under Bibliography.

In the top row of the illustrations, can you replace Jacob Rodriquez Rivera (not by Stuart) with William Curtis, dated 1775? Curtis is at Wikidata.org/wiki/Q460867. It is by Stuart and would fit there because of the date. Many thanks if you can do this.

It's difficult to correct the misconception that Stuart's middle name was Charles. This is an error. He was baptized without a middle name. Please remove the middle name under the first illustration. I'd be grateful for your kind help. DEvans2 (talk) 06:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Removing a photo of me from Wikipedia

Hello, there is a photo of me on Wikipedia, which I did not give permission to be used here. It was taken at a public event, but I'm not a famous person, and I'm sure other photos will be available. Could I ask for this photo to be deleted? Scarceintheworld (talk) 07:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Also it's not mine; a stranger took a photo of me. Scarceintheworld (talk) 07:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Scarceintheworld. Asking for a photo to be "removed from a Wikipedia article" and "deleted from Wikipedia" are not necessary the same thing. Files, such as photos, uploaded to Wikipedia (or Wikimedia Commons) tend to only be deleted due to some serious violation of relevant policy (e.g. a copyright violation). In such cases, "deletion" means hiding the file from public view so that it no longer can be used on any Wikipedia page. Because of this, only a Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons administrator can delete a file. "Removal", on the other hand, simply means removing the file's sytax from a Wikipedia page so that it's no longer being displayed on that page. The file is still publicly visible and still may be being used on other Wikipedia pages. There can be various reasons for removing a file, and anyone who can edit a page can remove a file's syntax from said page. Random removals, however, are often reverted and in many cases discussion on the page's corresponding talk page or a relevant noticeboard take place to determine whether a consensus can be established to remove the file. Since you didn't give the name of the file you want deleted (perhaps intentionally), I would suggest you try seeking assistance about this via email instead and don't post anymore about it on any Wikipedia page. All Wikipedia pages are publicly viewable and it's generally not wise to post personally identifying information on any of them unless you understand and accept the risks of doing so; the more you post, the greater the chance of you posting something that you might later wish you hadn't. I wouldn't even advise you trying to remove the photo yourself because you will need to explain why which will also connect you to the photo. So, my suggestion to you would be to email WP:OVERSIGHT and see what Oversight has to say. At some point, you may be asked to verify that the photo is actually of you, but this will be done via email. An oversighter should be able to assess the situation and figure out what's best for you and what's best for Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Scarceintheworld: see Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people, Greenman (talk) 08:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)