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September 2019: TeahouseEdit

Hi Marchjuly. It seems that an impression was created that I undid your Teahouse answer about a company Wikipedia article. What actually took place was that I got an edit conflict message, and selected my own answer to be published. I don't know how the system managed to ignore your answer. Apologies for the confusion.--Quisqualis (talk) 16:36, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I assumed it was either a glitch or mistake, which I further compounded by making a mistake of my own. No blood no foul, but thank you for clarifying. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:17, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Ball Road Anaheim, CaliforniaEdit

Marchjuly Ballroad has a sandbox article on Ball Road Anaheim,California where i was trying to get Ball Road namesake Hezekiah Wright Ball. I wasn't trying to post because of Hezekiah, i was merely try to let people know who the road in Anaheim was named after. If I'm not establishing that point I'm sorry. I see other street such as Katella Ave Anaheim,California on the internet and who it is named after. I'm curious how they went about it? As for citations i had a article about Hezekiah from the Desert Magazine along with the namesake fron Orange County Kid an author and Historian in Anaheim?

Where am i going so wrong and why aren't the Historical Society in Anaheim not authorities on there own town? Am i going about this in the wrong way. I always thought Wikipedia would be a lot easier to understand. However im completely lost on the concept of Wikimedia?I'm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ballroad (talkcontribs) 01:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ballroad. I'm not sure whether I can give you an answer that is any better than the one's you've already received at WP:THQ#Query. For something to have a Wikipedia article written about it, it basically needs to meet the conditions listed in Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. You might want to try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Streets for more specific advice because that's where you likely going to find editors who have experience with this type of subject matter. Basically, it's going to come down to whether enough significant coverage can be found to show that this road is Wikipedia notable for a stand-alone article to be written about it.
It might be possible to add a brief mention about this to another article per WP:NOTEWORTHY, but a stand-alone article is going to require more than a single reference. However, even a citation to something like Desert Magazine would only work if the publication is considered to be a reliable source and not some type of user-generated content. Moreover, someone referring to themselves as "Orange County Kid" may see themselves as being an author and even a historian, but there's little chance of Wikipedia treating them as such unless it can be demonstrated that they are considered to be those things by other independent reliable sources. See WP:SPS for an example of what I mean.
Finally, one last thing that I'm not sure was brought up before, but probably needs to be mentioned is that you probably should consider changing your username per WP:PROMONAME if you're trying to create an article about a road called "Ball Road". This is not the reason why your draft was declined, but your choice of username might be of a concern to others as to your motivation for creating such an article. They might mistakenly assume that you're only trying to do so for the wrong reasons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:46, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


Umbrella EntertainmentEdit

Hello Marchjuly,

I am having issues editing the UMBRELLA ENTERTAINMENT Wikipedia page. I am wanting to update the information. Who can I talk with and submit a draft to make sure all of my copy is correct and okay to upload?

I have had some issues over the past month uploading new content.

Thank you DanielleBertozzo1920 (talk) 03:24, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi DanielleBertozzo1920 if you're connected to the company in any way (and I strongly suspect that you are), then please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure and follow what's written on those two pages. You can propose changes on the article's talk page as explained in Wikipedia:Request edit, but pretty much any change you want to make is going to be need to be supported by a citation to a reliable source which is independent from the company or anyone connected to it. In other words, you're going to need to find sources other than the company's official website for verification purposes.
You should be looking for sources such as the things described in Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies#Sources which discuss the company in some detail. If you can find these to support the changes you'd like to make to the article, then your edit request will have a better chance of being accepted. Wikipedia is not really concerned with what the company has to say about itself, and article content (good or bad) should only reflect what reliable sources (ideally secondary sources) are saying about the company.
What the company needs to understand is that the article is not really written for its benefit but rather about it for Wikipedia's benefit, and neither the company nor anyone connected to it has any claim of ownership over its content; moreover, the article is neither intended to be used for promoting the company nor intended to be written as content normally would be written on the company's website or social media accounts. So, anything not deemed to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines is almost certainly going to removed or edited so that it is. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:28, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Ball Road Anaheim, CaliforniaEdit

Marchjuly Thank you for your professional knowledge of Wikimedia! Very helpful... Ballroad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ballroad (talkcontribs) 16:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Marchjuly On the subject Orange County Kid are you aware this it Phil Brigardi who has several pages on Wikipedia. Just curious why he wouldn't be a citation? Ballroad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ballroad (talkcontribs) 17:57, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi again Ballroad. I have no idea who "Orange Country Kid" or "Phi Brigardi" are, whether they are the same person or different people. There's no Wikipedia article written about anyone named Phil Brigardi, least not one that I could find; so, maybe you've spelled his name incorrectly. If Brigardi is recognized as reputable authority (in other words, reliable sources, as defined as Wikipedia, define him as such) on things road-related or Anaheim-related then perhaps something he has published on either subject would be acceptable to cite in a Wikipedia article depending on WP:RSCONTEXT and WP:UNDUE. For example, Roger Ebert (even though he's dead) is generally regarded among the film industry and media industry as a film reviewer who has had a lasting impacting on both, in other words lots of people recognize him to be an authority on certain topics; so, it's OK for him or his work to be cited in some cases in support of certain types of content. However, he mostly wouldn't be seen in the same light for other subjects which lie outside his field of "expertise".
Based upon previous questions you've asked at the Teahouse, you seem to have been trying to create an article about Ball Road at least since 2014, but perhaps maybe even longer than that. Persistence can be a good thing in most cases, but being persistent doesn't really have any affect on making a subject Wikipedia notable. Most of the answers you've been given over the years about this matter have pretty much been the same even though the people giving them have been different. You're going to need to establish how the road meets WP:ROADOUTCOMES if you want to create a Wikipedia article about it which is not going to end up deleted. So, you're either going to have to find existing WP:SIGCOV about the road or convince reliable sources to start writing about it. Writing a Wikipedia article doesn't make something Wikipedia notable; so, find reliable sources about the road or get reliable sources to start writing about it and then try and create the article. Otherwise, you're always going to be running into things like WP:TOOSOON. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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