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September 21Edit

New logo for our organisationEdit


I seem to be unable to replace our old logo with a new one on this page:

As I am sure you can imagine it is pretty urgent that the wikipedia page carries the correct brand identity for the campaign so help in getting this rectified woudl be greatly appreciated


Nathaniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThanAshford (talkcontribs) 10:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

It is not urgent. The purpose of Wikipedia is not to act as part of the organisation's marketing campaign. You will find information at WP:logos. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:38, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Meh.   Done It's an uncontroversial improvement to the article to have an accurate logo, and it's pd-textlogo anyway. GMGtalk 10:42, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
It's not a PD text logo. It was created in the UK, so it has copyright protection. It needs to be on Wikipedia, not Commons. See [[1]] - X201 (talk) 13:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
That... is silly. Anyway, see c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Will Aid logo 2017.svg. GMGtalk 13:18, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I totally agree its not life saving urgent but it was not accurate and therefore not useful / misleading on that page so either needed updating or deleting - thanks to GreenMeansGo for sorting, ta — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThanAshford (talkcontribs) 11:08, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Australian classificatory systems. Help neededEdit

I posted this request at the Wikipedia help with tables page, but may have put it in the wrong area. I'm reproducing it here just in case.

There is a glaring gap in wiki devices to tabulate these class/skin divisions which are otherwise described for several hundred tribes. Some are simple (but inadequately represented so far (see the makeshift at Kariera). At the moment, I'd appreciate if someone could give advice as to how one might tabulate the minimal data on the following source page here. Not all of that need go in (e.g. the circle/square design could be left to verbal description inside cells) of course. Thanks and sorry for the bother.Nishidani (talk) 11:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether your query is about the formatting of the table at Kariera_people#Kinship_and_social_organization, or something else. I find the section impossible to follow – it refers to "Burong" in the text and "Burung" in the table. It refers to "Palyeri" in the text when there is no similar name in the table. Maproom (talk) 13:29, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing that grammatically atrocious passage, which I am now fixing, together with the orthographic differences. No, I gave the Kariera passage as an illustration of a type of mapping I need. The aim was to find some workable template to inscribe the elements in the link given here regarding the Dalabon, who have a more complex system. If it's not practical, forget about it. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 16:11, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
So what you're looking for is a good way of portraying the "skin" system of a tribe, and then developing a Wikipedia template to allow its use here. While the literature on the subject hasn't (AFAIK) developed a good standard portrayal, this seems a worthy, though ambitious, objective. I have long been fascinated by these systems, and the way they forbid ortho-cousins as partners, while allowing or even encouraging cross-cousin partners – something found in many cultures around the world. I believe the article Australian Aboriginal kinship could be improved: much of it lists of the names of the skins in different tribes (which will be of little or no interest to most readers) while saying little about how a skin system actually operates. Maproom (talk) 06:41, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
There are some sophisticated templates for complex kinship diagrams on a a few Amerindian wiki pages, but they're not of the type required here. One is dealing with a four, six, eight classificatory system by moieties and submoieties required for an estimated 600-700 articles. I can do those articles' ethnographic content on my own, but the template work requires a different form of competence. Perhaps I should post a note on the Australia Project page, where also maps of each area (readily available in dozens of page links that show how tribes are localized, are needed to bring the area to a basic level of basic encyclopedic quality.Nishidani (talk) 09:53, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Skill with templates (which I lack) will be more important than understanding of the subject matter. You could start at the Australia Project in case some there is good with templates. You might also try Wikipedia:Requested templates; but there's been no activity there for seven months. Maproom (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Public Domain Material ?Edit

Can I use Public Domain material on a Wikipedia page ?

FDLeyda (talk) 12:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, FDLeyda, you can. Read the instructions here: Wikipedia:Public domain. Importantly though, make sure the content is actually in the public domain, which is many times difficult for a non-expert to determine. Please also bear in mind that public domain content is often not suitable because it was not written in the encyclopedic tone that we necessitate, is outdated, or is biased in some other way. If you have some specific use in mind, you could tell us what the material is and where and how do you plan to use it. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 13:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

_ I like to edit pages that deal with Lakes, Rivers, Canal, etc. I want to use information that is shown on U.S.A. government sites. I will study the the Public Domain page. Thank you. FDLeyda (talk) 15:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)


This was some time ago now but I would like to contest this decision. Thank you. Moonbeam1812

Every single edit of yours on Wikipedia has consisted of adding links to your own blog - linkspam. I have reverted those few that were not undone immediately. Consider this a warning: If you persist in spamming Wikipedia, you will be blocked and your blog blacklisted. Driving traffic to your blog is not what Wikipedia is for. Huon (talk) 17:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I would like to contest this decision. 1. You are factually incorrect in stating that every single edit I made was to add a link to my blog. I have corrected errors on other articles written on here by most other people too, for example. Perhaps you feel I am being pedantic here but where Wikipedia is concerned it is important to be accurate. And your statement was inaccurate. 2. Yes, most of the links I added were links to my blog. I would argue that all of the links I added were of a high quality and of genuine interest to the readership of the features in question. I agree that "driving traffic to (my) blog is not what Wikipedia is for". However, whereas before somebody looking up The Ballad of Halo Jones or George Brown MP or House of Cards under "external links" would have been directed to a useful and interesting article about these subjects, now they cannot. You have removed them and made the site weaker as a result. Please look at these links again. 1. Are they irrelevant? 2. Are the articles of a poor quality? If you can look at them and feel they are either of these things, you are justified in removing the links. If you can't, then perhaps you should restore the links? Adding links to relevant high quality articles is not spamming! Thank you for your time. Regards, Chris Hallam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonbeam1812 (talkcontribs) 13:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Adding links to your own blog is spamming. Maproom (talk) 13:44, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
The quoted post is from 17 July 2014. At the time every single edit [2] by your account was about adding links to your blog except [3] which added a link written by you but maybe not on your own blog. I would say the statement was around 99% accurate. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:16, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
It appears that you are still linking to your blog which should be avoided. uhhlive (talk) 19:25, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I've left this message regarding the issue--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Research paper about WikipediaEdit

Do we collect/list academic papers about Wikipedia somewhere? I've just stumbled across one here. It was published only yesterday so might not already be noted. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:32, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Academic studies of Wikipedia. Deor (talk) 17:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Also perhaps Meta:Research:Projects? GMGtalk 17:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I saw a reference to that paper somewhere else today but didn't realize it was so recent.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Well worth reading. Thanks, Roger, for supplying the link.--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I posted about it at WT:Academic studies of Wikipedia but there has been no response yet. The Meta page seems to be inactive as the latest topic on the talk page is almost a year old. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Harvard errorsEdit

I have inadvertently caused some Harvard errors at Barred cuckoo-dove. Part of it, I think, is that I don[tt know how to account for editors in WP:SFN. I am told that you have a tool that will help. I would like to get that tooldThanks. 7&6=thirteen () 18:07, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

No more than four author names in {{sfn}} and the {{harv}}-family templates.
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. 7&6=thirteen () 18:45, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Michael Haley married to Nikki Haley U.S. UN AmbEdit

her husband is stated as being in the army national guard. There is no such org there is the national guard and the army, and army reserve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:18, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

There is the Army_National_Guard. RudolfRed (talk) 21:45, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
And for verification they have a website on the official home page of the United States Army. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Adding ReferencesEdit

Most of this already present on the Talk:Carol Smallwood page
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Who can add these references to update my entry? Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Marilyn Taylor In Hubble’s Shadow

Alex Phuong In Hubble’s Shadow

Aline Soules In Hubble’s Shadow Writer Advice July-September 2017 Vol. 20, Number 4

Vera Gubnitskaia Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction

Ronald Primeau Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction

Lara Lillibridge Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction

Patti Gibbons Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction

How do I get the template message now up removed about conflict of interest?

Carol Smallwood (talk) 21:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Further similar requestEdit

How do I get the COI Template removed?

Could these references be added to my entry to update it?

Marilyn Taylor In Hubble’s Shadow

Alex Phuong In Hubble’s Shadow

Aline Soules In Hubble’s Shadow Writer Advice July-September 2017 Vol. 20, Number 4

Ronald Primeau Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction

Lara Lillibridge Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction

Patti Gibbons Interweavings: Creative Nonfiction

Carol Smallwood (talk) 06:08, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

September 22Edit

IPA helpEdit

Can someone add the IPA to Tuineau Alipate. I would but it looks complicated. It's pronounced "too-NOW allah-POT-tay" per this article. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 00:50, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

This has been resolved. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Adding an InfographicEdit

I found an infographic about the different types of flash fiction that would be good on the flash fiction page. How do I add an infographic without it messing up the current format?Shemshari (talk) 01:10, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

  • I assume the infographic is an image. If it is not under a restrictive copyright, then you add it by uploading it to Wikipedia commons and then adding a "file:" statement to the article: see WP:images. However, if you "found" it on some random web site somewhere, it is very likely to be copyrighted and not eligible for copying into Wikipedia commons. See: WP:IUP. If you need more help, come back here. Images are a bit difficult for technical reasons. Copyright is quite difficult for legal reasons, and we didn't make the laws. -Arch dude (talk) 16:46, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Collapsing a tableEdit

Hello, I have a table question:
At User:Ergo Sum/sandbox/Template:Ordination/color chart, I am trying to make each of the headers next to a color collapsible and collapsed by default, while the table as a whole is also collapsible and expanded by default. Does anyone know how to solve these two issues? Ergo Sum 17:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Looking for image copyright help.Edit

Hi, I'm looking for an image coyright help to have a look at File:Hans Rohrbach.jpg and put in the proper copyright template. It is licenced under Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Germany (CC BY-SA 2.0 DE) which is located here: [4] Thanks scope_creep (talk) 06:05, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello, Scope creep. I took the liberty to reformat your post to link at the file (to link images without including them, add a starting colon).
I fail to see how your link demonstrates a CC-BY-SA license, it says "copyright: unknown", and the website itself is not under a free license. TigraanClick here to contact me 11:47, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Below it, is says Are you interested in using this image, which leads to [5], which leads to [6] The Oberwolfach Photo Collection is a famous collection mathematicians photographs. Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 13:47, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
scope_creep, that CCBYSA 2 disclaimer only appears to apply to images that are actively claimed as being owned by the MFO (Mathematisches Forschungsinstitut Oberwolfach), whereas this image appears to be from the "archives of P. Roquette, Heidelberg" and first published by the Journal für die reine und angewandte Mathematik in volume 451, which would have put it as being first published in 1994. So it doesn't appear that the CCBYSA applies, and the copyright would reside with either 1) the person who took the photo, 2) the person who owns the archive, or 3) the journal who first published it. GMGtalk 13:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
It is worth noting that the 100's of image from Ober in WP. I think in this case, the collection was gifted to the Oberwolfach Photo Collection. They are stickler for copyright. Either way I'm looking to get it fixed. scope_creep (talk) 14:01, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
I mean... we have lots of images from lots of archives, but that doesn't mean we don't have to secure active explicit confirmation of the copyright status for each one of them. Pretty much every archive ever has some kind of disclaimer to the effect of "we're pretty sure everything's fair game, but don't take our word for it" and unfortunately that's not very useful for WP. GMGtalk 14:09, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
So are you saying Fair Use? scope_creep (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Uhh... I dunno. It might arguably fail NFCC #1. I can't remember, but there was a big discussion a while back about non-free use of moderately recently deceased persons, and I believe the consensus was more-or-less to contact the estate, family, etc to see if a free version could "be created" i.e., if an existing image could be appropriately licensed for free use. GMGtalk 14:50, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Dude, Who is going to contact the family, I mean really. who? Find and contact a German family of mathematicans who worked in a secret government organisation, who they probably didnt know he worked there, as it is only known about 12 people across the world knew about, and information about it wasn't released until 2008 by the NSA. I'm not looking for anybody. You contact the family. Talk about utterly absurd extremes. Fair use is what it will be. scope_creep (talk) 16:04, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Thaanks. scope_creep (talk) 16:22, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Well no, doing something like shooting an email to the MFO isn't really that extreme, and I've contacted archives like that at least a few time myself. I'd say you usually have about a fifty fifty chance of actually getting somewhere, depending on whether you get in touch with an actual archivist or not. And anyway, it's worth a shot, since, for example, the German article on the individual doesn't have a photograph of him at all, and can't use fair use images. At the very least, if we can figure out who originally took the image, we can verify that it more certainly meets WP:NFCI #10. GMGtalk 16:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, GMG yip, certainly I do send out emails and consider it quid pro quo when seeking images for WP and working on WP. It is part of the process. Sometime I go to fairly extensive measures to get images e.g the images on Discriminant Book, which are super weird stuff, that I thought would be impossible to find, and it was by chance I came across them, and then they were almost deleted, again. Right now, I'm emailing Anne van Aaken to get an image, she is a bit unsure at the moment. What peeves me off about this, is I've been through the process once before, for the Hans Rohrbach image upload, sending permissions in that weren’t right, and and it was finally deleted in August 15th. I will contact Oberwolfach on Monday. They are pretty decent, and I have used them before. scope_creep (talk) 20:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


Hello I recently tried to update some outdated information about the company I work at (Hocoma). Consequently, the entire page was deleted by an admin. May I request that you reestablish the page? Thank you. Regards, Tamara Johnson — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:56, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Mark E. KingdonEdit


This is for the entry for Mark E. Kingdon. When we google his name, on the right, it shows that he was born in 1942. This is incorrect. He was born in 1949. I work with him and can be reached directly to verify (or connect you to him). How can I adjust this on his actual wikipedia page? On the actual page, it does not show his DOB, but on the 'snapshot' in a google search, it does.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by KKCAP (talkcontribs)

Hi, in the bottom right hand corner of the box on the google search there is a "feedback" link where you can report errors. This data is clearly not coming from Wikipedia. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 12:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
@KKCAP: We don't know where Google got 1942 from (see Template:HD/GKG) but Mark E. Kingdon was actually in Category:1942 births so it could have been from us. I have removed the category as unsourced. Wikipedia requires published reliable sources so asking him or somebody who knows him is not sufficient. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:07, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Although the article does not appear to show Mark Elliot Kingdon as encyclopaedicly 'notable' there is more than enough evidence to show that with in his field of expertise he is. So in time - the article could be expanded. The immediate issue is: If we can't find a reliable third -party reference to his date of birth how can user:KKCAP, taking his first tiny steps on Wikipedia, instantly put his hands on a third party source ? The reason might be that some people often don't publicize their early life details. Not because they have something to hide but simply that they see these details as important and a private matter. As the OP is close to MEK, the best advice I can give, is to ask him if he can remember and find, any third party source that give his date of birth ( he may have P.A. or intern that can do this for him). Unless we have such verifiable information, it can not be added to the article. Period.Aspro (talk) 15:28, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves would allow the subject as source for an uncontroversial birth year like 1949, but it has to be published somewhere else like the subjects website before being added to Wikipedia. If it's not from a reliable source then there should be good evidence it's actually from the subject. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Richard CoonsEdit

I am trying to link one reference in a Wikipedia article to another and keep getting an error message: Missing or empty |title= (help)

How do I correct this link to include the title ref? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosemite4 (talkcontribs)

  • Please sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~). Thankyou. Aspro (talk) 15:38, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Figured it out - thanks!

Also. One doesn't use Wikipedia as as source for an external link and as Robert Clunie already has a WP link in the article you don't need to-over link. Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking. By becoming familiar with our guidance on linking, these little red words in citations will stop appearing. Many old and experienced editors may find it mind-boggling too at first but if I soon got the hang of it -so will you - and your half way there already. Aspro (talk) 16:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
P.S. you have forgotten the (~~~~) again. Aspro (talk) 16:05, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

How to change titleEdit


I have created an article here on wikipedia. But now the headline (and therefore the title) of this articel begins with this: 'Draft: Fire and Shield' I want to remove this 'draft:' from the title, so the name of the article is 'Fire and Shield'.

But I can not change the title - can someone please help me?

Hey anon. The draft at Draft:Fire and Shield currently includes no references at all, and so is probably not ready for publishing yet. Adding references to reliable sources helps to demonstrate that the subject meets our standards for notability, and allows readers to verify the content. I have added a banner for our Articles for Creation project, and when you think you are ready you can submit the draft for review by an volunteer. You may also want to consider reviewing our tutorial on writing your first article. GMGtalk 16:53, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Have you been give any official request to create this draft? Aspro (talk) 17:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Help needed on writing a new pageEdit


We just, 9/22/17, created a Wiki page; however, when type in my name: Jeffrey Richards, the many others with the same name appear, but cannot locate my page. I used Jeffrey Jon Richards and am wondering if eventually the name will appear with the other identical names.

Hey JeffreyJonRichards. What you created is a user page, which can be found at User:JeffreyJonRichards. Also please note that writing autobiographies is strongly discouraged, and creating unreferenced biographies on living persons is not allowed. GMGtalk 17:50, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi User:JeffreyJonRichards. Because the community has failed and instead of forbidding pages like the one you created, only strongly recommending people do not create them under the conflict of interest guideline, I will userfy this page to a draft in the draft namespace if you ask me to, though I have deleted it from your userpage because there it is not allowed.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:00, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Using group= with efn templateEdit

The Help:Footnotes article states:

  • {{efn}} supports |name= and |group=, which work the same as the parameters in <ref>. Do not enclose values in quotes.

This seems impossible since "efn" automatically uses "group=lower-alpha" (Help:Cite errors/Cite error references group mismatch#Examples says "group=note"). And I get red "Cite error" whenever I try. I assume the problem extends to {{efn-ua}} {{efn-lr}} {{efn-ur}} {{efn-lg}}.

User-duck (talk) 18:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi User-duck. The default for "efn" is lower-alpha, but you can still specify "group=" if you want to change it to something else. The only allowed values are note, upper-alpha, upper-roman, lower-alpha, lower-greek, lower-roman, and you have to specify the same group for {{notelist}}. The problem does not extend to {{efn-ua}}, etc. because only "efn" lets you choose a group. The others use the group that matches their name. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:38, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks StarryGrandma, for the confirmation of what I suspected. Should I update the documentation? It does say "{{efn}} supports |name= and |group=, which work the same as the parameters in <ref>.User-duck (talk) 04:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Profile Image - PGA of America CEOEdit

We would like to add a profile image, which we recently added to Wikipedia Commons, to our CEO's profile page. See below link. Thanks for the guidance.

Randy Stutzman PGA of America — Preceding unsigned comment added by StutzRandy (talkcontribs)

Is there a template for this?Edit

noting that more info is needed but not because it's too technical or vague — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob's Crackers (talkcontribs) 17:16, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Isn't that just the purpose of the {{stub}} template family? Pppery 21:17, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia Page editsEdit

Good Afternoon,

I would like to make several changes to the IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT (Film) Wikipedia page. The changes are simple; some spelling and grammar corrections and some character names and occupations need to be changed.

These changes come from the producer of the film, Walter Mirisch.

The reason I am posting here is because I have also been having problems editing other Wikipedia pages on behalf of Walter Mirisch. I have had trouble editing Wikipedia pages for Walter Mirisch's brother's Harold Mirisch and Marvin Mirisch. Walter Mirisch has noticed some inaccuracies on those pages. I have repeatedly tried to correct the information only to have it changed back or the request deleted.

I am a little confused on the process of editing pages because some of the editors are giving different answers. Would it help if Walter Mirisch sent a letter of some sort to approve the changes on the 3 wikipedia pages?

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you. lmassistant --Lmassistant (talk) 21:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

No, such a letter would not help. This is the English Wikipedia, articles are developed by editors who are ideally independent of the subject. Walter Mirisch has a conflict of interest, and it appears that you do as well. We do have a way for people with a conflict of interest to contribute suggestions for article improvement: Wikipedia:Simple COI request --S Philbrick(Talk) 21:59, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
You are being paid for your contributions to Wikipedia, you must declare who is paying you, who the client is, and any other relevant role or relationship. You may do this on your user page, on the talk page of affected articles, or in your edit summaries. The community expects paid editors to declare that they are being paid whenever they seek to influence an article's content; this includes when writing drafts in draft space or user space. Editors have been telling you this since 2016 and you have refused to comply. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:24, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Block: Lack of modifying behavior when requested more than once smells of a shared user account owned by a company. If requested clarification of innocent independence or actual COI or does not arrive within 24hr – block account per Wikipedia:Username_policy#Usernames_implying_shared_use . Aspro (talk) 13:37, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Map Editing HelpEdit

I am looking to edit this map [8] for something. I know how to edit it to fill in different countries as different colors, but I can't seem to figure out how to do the same for individual US states. Anyone know how? -AnonWikiEditor (talk) 22:25, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

You could try asking at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop. I've had a quick look at the source of the SVG file, and my impression is that it won't be easy. (If it were my responsibility, I'd make a PNG version with states easily coloured using floodfill. But there's a consensus that SVGs are always better than PNGs.) Maproom (talk) 07:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

September 23Edit

Collapsible Row in a TableEdit

I know how to make a table that you can hide/collapse all the rows to hide them. But is it possible to create a table that has some main rows showing, but then upon clicking on individual rows, can expand those main rows into additional rows?

Here's a rough example of what I mean:

Main Row #1 [show]
Hidden sub row that is only shown upon clicking "show" on the Main Row #1 row
Main Row #2 [show]
A hidden row that is only shown upon click "show" on the Main Row #2 row
A second hidden row that is only shown upon click "show" on the Main Row #2 row
Main Row #3 [show]
Hidden sub row that is only shown upon clicking "show" on the Main Row #3 row
I have a very similar question at Wikipedia:Help desk#Collapsing a table. Ergo Sum 03:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't know whether it's possible for a single table. {{Navbox with collapsible groups}} does it by making consecutive unspaced tables. The above example is sortable but that wouldn't work with separate tables. It could also be difficult to align columns if there are rows with multiple columns. I don't know whether there is a non-navbox template similar to {{Navbox with collapsible groups}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:04, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Do you know what the syntax is for making consecutive unspaced tables outside the context of {{Navbox}}? Ergo Sum 21:41, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
No. Entering a small example like the below at Special:ExpandTemplates may give an idea how the navbox works, but the rendered result may rely on definitions elsewhere of the used classes. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:23, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
{{Navbox with collapsible groups
|state = uncollapsed
|navbar = off
|title = Title
|group1 = Group1
|list1 = List1
|group2 = Group2
|list2 = List2

File Split - Did I do this correctlyEdit

I recently conducted my first file split where the original file was located at "File:TowerBrook" and this was split into File:TowerBrook_purpleBorders.png and File:TowerBrook.png (the original name of the file before split). Could someone who has conducted such splits take a look at these two, and the notes I've added to the talk pages, and let me know if, in fact, they feel I've done this split correctly? I won't conduct additional splits until either a) I get confirmation that this went OK or b) some time has passed without a response so that I believe that there won't be a response. Thanks for your help. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:23, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I have conducted what you call "file splits" on images. These have generally involved taking a map from Commons, modifying it e.g. by changing the language of the placenames, and uploading it with a new name. I have always aimed to give, in the copyright section, due credit to the creator of the original image. I have never regarded it as a "split", as nothing has been removed or changed in the original, as it is when an article is split.
What you have done looks fine to me. You haven't credited the creator of the original image; but you can't, because the original "has no author information", and anyway claims not to be copyrightable. Maproom (talk) 07:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
@Maproom: Thanks. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:51, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Construction requestEdit

Dear sir, I am a new user and wants to take permission to make construction on a plot situated in transport Nagar Gwalior may i get the procedure so i may proceed accordingly . i have purchased a plot from GDA in T.P nagar and & get namantaran from nagar nigam gwalior. V.P.Mittal


Mob [details removed]:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC) (talk)

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Create imagemap templateEdit

Excuse me, How to create Template like Template:PRC provinces imagemap or Template:Japan Regions and Prefectures Labelled Map-- (talk) 11:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

If you are asking about how to create a new template with a map and links to the different entities on the map, clicking the "edit" tab at either template reveals its inner mechanism:
(Trimmed) content of {{Japan Regions and Prefectures Labelled Map}}


File:Regions and Prefectures of Japan 2.svg||500px||center

poly 418 3 502 65 545 44 565 92 515 114 488 170 431 145 403 161 382 152 413 183 375 208 362 160 377 118 413 94 408 21 [[Hokkaido]]

poly 386 220 398 220 403 237 420 236 422 218 404 221 408 204 424 206 429 240 444 255 419 266 417 256 381 262 372 254 389 222 [[Aomori Prefecture]]


desc bottom-left


An image is used for the visual (in that case File:Regions and Prefectures of Japan 2.svg). Over that image, regions are delimited by the "poly" and "rect" commands, which delimit clickable areas of the image and say where the associated link points to.
For more details about the syntax, see mw:Extension:ImageMap. You might be interested by a visit to Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop, too. TigraanClick here to contact me 19:41, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Atlas vs. infoEdit

Your article fails to make a distinction between my corporation, Atlas Consortium (.com) and the conglomeration from England Atlas Consortium (.info). Can you fix this or do I have to address this through them. 14:32, 23 September 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Is any part of the article Atlas Consortium or other articles about the .com company? If not then there is no problem from Wikipedia's point of view. We have articles about some companies but not all. If we have no content about a subject then we don't mention that subject in an article about another subject with the same name. It's the same for companies, people, works, locations and so on. Almost everybody and everything has something else with the same name. Articles are written by Wikipedia editors and not the subjects of the articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:28, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Asima Chatterjee bioEdit


I loved the Wiki about Asima Chatterjee today. I am hoping someone can augment her biography with information from the following links: (see:

I have never edited a Wiki page, and am asking for help from an experienced Wiki user/editor.

Thanks, Cowslip2017 (talk) 16:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC)cowslip2017

@Cowslip2017: If you head over to the article, you'll notice a little lock symbol at the upper-right corner of the page. This lock indicates that the page has been semi-protected; clicking it will take you to WP:SEMI, which explains what's going on. To put it simply, the article has been protected to prevent editing by unregistered and brand new users due to high levels of vandalism to the page. Your account will need to be autoconfirmed in order to edit it, which will happen automatically once your account is four days old and you've made ten edits to Wikipedia.

Now, you don't necessarily have to wait for the ability to edit the article. You can head over to the article's talk page and submit a request for another editor to edit the page for you. You may create a new section at the bottom of the talk page, specify what exactly you wish to change in the article, and then add {{edit semi-protected}} to your message to alert other editors that you've made a request. Even after you gain these abilities, or when the article is unprotected, you should probably go to the article's talk page to ask someone else to edit the article.  Seagull123  Φ  16:52, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Cliff Taylor, American ActorEdit

Spitting Image Productions / ITV Network for Central Television, Bumbledown: The Life and Times of Ronald Reagan, air date: November 1988, Channel 4.

Cliff Taylor, member EQUITY since 1987, SAG, Screen Actors Guild since 1981.

Oh. Absolutely fascinating... but what help on this help page are you asking for? Aspro (talk) 18:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Think this was posted by User:Abdulfez aka Cliff Taylor. Oh. Does anybody have the energy point out COI yet again _ I've had it and feel exhausted. Aspro (talk) 18:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hiding textEdit

Could someone explain to me how you hide some text and make it show something else? I know how to make a collapsible list but i would like to go one step further and do something like this in a diagram i'm working on:

From this:


| colspan="2" align="left"|

× Av. Torr. Silva
× Av. Torr. Silva
∥ Av. Torr. Silva

To This:


| colspan="2" align="left"|


Do i have to convert it to the Routemap template for the replacement to work? Thing is, theres no routemap template for my language. Thank you all Ligaanet (talk) 18:27, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could tell me what I did wrong and how I violated the content policy by creating a page explaining new readers what is and the major publications that are connected with it.Edit

Hi there! My previous post was deleted. I was wondering if you could tell me what I did wrong and how I violated the content policy by creating a page explaining new readers what is and the major publications that are connected with it.

Sources: — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewATX2016 (talkcontribs) 23:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I have replied on your user talk page too. You violated the policies on verifiability, there's no indication the company is notable enough for an article in the first place, and what you wrote read like an advertisement. Huon (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

September 24Edit

I don't understand why my page was deletedEdit

Please help explain why my Wikipedia page was deleted. it was created for me in 2012 and has been up and running ever since, but for some reason it was deleted two days ago. Codes: G5 and G11 what do they mean?

Page is for Leslie Becker (actor)

Please helps explain Thanks Leslie Becker