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June 27Edit

Determining ConsensusEdit


I am interested in helping out with moving pages, but I am worried that I will misjudge consensus at WP:RM. Is there anything that I should look out for when determining consensus at that page? And another question : Would one editor supporting a move until the time elapses be considered a consensus? I am trying to learn how to properly determine the conditions for this policy. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@CollectiveSolidarity: If there are no objections at all after a reasonable time, make the change. This is a logical extension of WP:BRD, wherin you may simply make a change without any previous discussion because a dissenter may revert your change to indicate disagreement. Opening a discussion prior to a change is a good idea for a move, though, because a dissenter has a harder time reversing a move than reverting an edit. -Arch dude (talk) 16:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

One Mega GroupEdit

Why was my edit of an article removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themissmargaux (talkcontribs) 07:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

This edit had a promotional tone and used very unencyclopedic language. There may also be a conflict of interest if you are linked to this company.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
In addition, a great deal of unsourced content was added, the sources that were used were mostly primary, and a bunch of inappropriate inline external links were inserted in the lede. @Themissmargaux, there are a great many policies you should spend some time getting up to speed on before making such huge changes (especially WP:COI, as mentioned above). (talk) 07:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
FYI, the draft you just submitted will not be accepted, for all of the same reasons. (talk) 07:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Why this doesn't change to collapsible?Edit

I tried to copy Template:Montgomery County, Maryland to my user subpage as User:40bus/County templates with minor changes. But it doesn't change to collapsible. Which is wrong? --40bus (talk) 07:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@40bus: If you mean why it didn't render at the time of your post then you fixed it with a missing bracket in [1]. If you wonder why it's currently collapsed by default then it's because there are other navboxes on the page. See collapse_state at Template:US county navigation box. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Very strange formatting issues on Ecocide articleEdit

Hi all

I've been doing some work on the Ecocide article and have a very strange issue, when I try to bold the title of the article it doesn't work properly, it ends up italicising the title and making the entire first paragraph. Is there an issue with the template above or something? Have tried both source editor and VE to fix it but neither work.


John Cummings (talk) 13:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Check the number of single quote marks in that paragraph, and note that you previously included a nowiki closing tag. It's unusual to include a quotation in the WP:LEAD of an article. Bazza (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


Hi, I'm new as a contributor on Wikipedia. I started with a short text on a new article in my Sandbox. I checked the text and it's now ready to be published in Wikipedia. How can I do this? If I'm in the Sandbox and click on the Publish button, the text does not appear in Wikipedia. Thnx for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MKenter (talkcontribs) 16:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MKenter. Because absolutely everything in Wikipedia is publically visible if you know where to look, the "Save changes" butten was altered a while ago to read "publish". This means "Save it so that it is visible to anybody": it doesn't mean "Make it part of the encyclopaedia". I have added a header to your sandbox, so that you can submit it for review and eventual acceptance into the encyclopaedia. However, please don't hit that button yet, as it is not ready, and that will waste everybody's time.
Please read your first article to understand what is needed in an article. The reason I say that it is not ready is that it has not a single reference independent of the Committee. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If there are few or no such sources, then no article is possible: the jargon for this is that the subject is then not notable.
Please read about notability to understand the minimum requirements on an organisation to be the subject of an article. ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Removing a category from a deleted sectionEdit

In Category:People who detransitioned, there is under K a "Kiera Bell". This links to a deleted section in Detransition (Detransition#Individual_accounts). How do you remove this? The article itself doesn't have the category listed, except in the see also section. --Roundishtc) 16:23, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

It was the redirection page itself which was in the category: I have removed that, as unhelpful. ColinFine (talk) 16:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Oh, I'll check the redirection page next time. Thanks! --Roundishtc) 16:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
I believe that the fact that the item was listed in the category in italics means that it is a redirection page. ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes, redirects are automatically shown in italics in categories. For the record, it was Keira Bell and not "Kiera Bell". PrimeHunter (talk) 17:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Writing a page for WikiPediaEdit


I am the founder of a ministry. There is no information yet about it on Wikipedia. I need to create a page for it. I read a little bit about how to do it but do not believe I'm qualified to write it.

I'm trying to find assistance. Is there someone that could assist with writing a page or does that not exist?

Thank you,

Merryl Moore — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

If this is about God's Closet, I very much doubt that it meets Wikipedia's standards of notability, and is therefore not a suitable subject for an article here. Maproom (talk) 17:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Merryl! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles and when you have a conflict of interest (COI). To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and try The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 17:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Merryl. I'm afraid that "I need to create a page for it" indicates that, like many people , you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. If at some time there is an article about your ministry (rather than a "page for" it), the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, and should be almost entirely based on what people unconnected with your ministry have chosen to publish about it - including any adverse or critical writing as well as approving - not on what you or your associates say or want to say. ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Chah-e articlesEdit

Would it be a good idea to nominate all of the "Chah-e village" articles for speedy deletion under criteria G3? For about a year, there's been consensus that many Iranian village articles made by the user Carlossuarez46 are not actually villages. In fact, many of them are gas stations, slaughterhouses, farms, estates, etc. "Chah-e", in particular, almost certainly means "well". So given the translations, these Chah-e articles are almost 100% hoaxes and should be deleted, however I'm not sure if SD is the correct route. --VersaceSpace 🌃 20:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

It would obviously be wrong to G3 those that are not "blatant hoaxes" or "pure vandalism" and I'm not sure any fit into these categories at all. Are there really any G3 candidates? I know nothing about Iranian place names but in English many (nearly all?) places with "well" in the name are not actually wells although they may have been named after where there was once a well. See, for example Bradwell. Thincat (talk) 20:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
I understand where you're coming from, but Chah-e Ali Akbar Shahzehi (well of Ali Akbar Shahzehi) is 100% not on the same level as Bradwell. After reading up on it more, it's definitely inappropriate to G3 these as the suspected hoaxes were not "blatant", but I don't think it's wise to just boil this down to an American equivalent. --VersaceSpace 🌃 21:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
@VersaceSpace It looks like these need to be deleted, but no one seems to know under what criterion. Non-notable perhaps? (talk) 05:44, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Declined AFC draft bypassed via own page moveEdit

Hi all, I'm not sure where to raise this one. The article George Abagnalo is an exact copy of Draft:George Abagnalo, which was declined at AFC due to insufficient notability, by the same creator. I don't know what step to take next, so someone please take care of this. Thanks! CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {CX}) 21:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: I might be wrong, but if you see an article with questionable notability, you can nominate it for deletion. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 21:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Wait! You pinged me, but I didn't get a notification. Some bug? CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {CX}) 21:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
@Asilvering: Since you declined the draft, I thought you might be interested in this conversation. GoingBatty (talk) 21:07, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Oh, sigh. I normally try to do some digging to see if I can't save this kind of article myself when they come up for AfD or get turned down a few times at AfC, but I don't know if I feel terribly inclined to try for this one given the circumstances... Thanks for the ping and I wish the editor luck, but I'll probably sit this one out. -- asilvering (talk) 00:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Abagnalo if interested. -- Hoary (talk) 22:33, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I got a suspected sockpuppet issue with an administratorEdit

This administrator, seems to favor a particular guy who is involved in edit war. Its quite apparent he is engaging in content restriction to favor his business needs. My ongoing dispute wiht this guy was intervened by the administrator LeoFrank, who reverted only my changes.He doesnt seem to follow his own suggestions in talking before acting(reverting). There is also a contradiction in his policy enforcement. While he maintains airport destination cities can't be cited by airline booking engine sources (if you are shocked you are not alone), he adopts an one eye closed approach for similar citings in another airport. While he removes cities that are not cited in one airport page,he reverted my delete of similar uncited cities in the other airport.

If admins collude with users to promote financial interests, Wikipedia is definitely not a place for these folks!!!!

Please help. I am tired of reading through/editing articles on this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugunthsboa (talkcontribs) 21:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

1. LeoFrank is not an administrator. 2. This is a content dispute. You may want to try WP:DISPUTE. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 21:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks Jauerback! Will follow through Mugunthsboa (talk) 06:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

June 28Edit

Need opinions on a draftEdit

I would like your opinions whether you think this draft User:Dwnloda/sandbox is good enough to be submitted to the AFC and whether you see any issues with it or what edits or changes you recommend before it is submitted to the AFC. Overall do you think this page has a chance? Dwnloda (talk) 02:56, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

@Dwnloda: I see that you have declared your status of WP:PAID in regard to the article. I am not an AFC reviewer but the draft seems adequately sourced and is not promotional. The issue, as with many biographies of living people, will be whether it demonstrates they meet the relevant notability criteria and I see that you have sensibly mentioned how the draft does that, in your opinion. I suggest you go ahead and submit it and wait for the reviewers comments, later addressing any concerns they may have. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Does anyone know what happened to the Top 1000 report from HostBot?Edit

Looks like the Top 1000 hasn't been updated since the end of May 2022. See: User:HostBot/Top 1000 report. - Scarpy (talk) 03:23, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

User:HostBot has stopped working. The bot owner seems to be aware. Shantavira|feed me 08:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)


Hi, I need help for Abbey of Saint-Antoine-l'Abbaye and Abbey church of Saint-Antoine-l'Abbaye, specially about style, spelling and grammar. Both articles are translated from the French. We had a workshop last week-end, where we took more than 1000 pictures of the church and the village, so pictures will be added soon. I will add references when I find them (not easy). Thanks, Yann (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

@Yann: The church article is almost entirely unreferenced. Have you considered slimming it down somewhat and merging it into the Abbey's article, in a section entitled Church? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:51, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I will add references. Both subjects could be several pages, it needs two different articles to cover them in dept. Yann (talk) 07:57, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
@Yann: Hi! I looked over the articles and did some editing. I also started some threads on the Abbey talk page. Birdsinthewindow (talk) 03:11, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
  • @Yann: Help desk discussions tend to be archived a little faster than discussions on other noticeboards perhaps; I believe the idea is to keep at most three or four days worth of discussions visible on the main HD page so as to keep the page somewhat easy to navigate; however, you don't really need to "unarchive" discussions like you did in this case if you want add something else to the discussion; it's OK to continue archived discussions on their respective archive pages. If you want to revive a previously archived discussion on the main HD page, it probably better to simply add a link to the archived discussion and then add your new comments instead of copying and pasting the entire discussion back onto the main HD page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Who shot Lil Tjay ?Edit

Why was Lil Tjay shot ?Did the police caught the people who shot him? When will people stop living in fear .We are all human beings.We deserve love,care, protection and safety . — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

See Lil Tjay#2022 shooting. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:40, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

List of Trojans for Representative Government membersEdit

"Inappropriate use of wikipedia, speedy deleted already as A7, but then restored. There is no imaginable potential for an article."

How do I hold a site-wide RfC on changing a Wiki guideline?Edit

I want to scrap the Wikipedia:Article size#Size guideline. How do I hold a site-wide RfC for this? Ak-eater06 (talk) 18:16, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ak-eater06. I think WP:VPPR would be a good place to start. ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind. I got it. Ak-eater06 (talk) 18:38, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Milepost table looks wrongEdit

On U.S._Route_75_in_Kansas#Junction_list, after "US-54 – Eureka, Iola", the milepost cells are shifted to the right. What might be causing this? weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 20:05, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Never mind, I accidentally put a milepost into the lspan parameter. It's right now. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 20:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Box sectionEdit

For the article RoboCop 3, something went wrong after I edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh. It looks like in this edit, you closed the infobox template before the parameters. I'll fix it. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 22:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

June 29Edit

Can I change a container category into a regular category?Edit

Hi there, I received a notification when editing Category_talk:Israeli_women that the help desk might be a better place to ask, so -

Currently, Israeli women is a container category. However, it has few pages in its subcategories and seems analogous to Jewish women or Women in Israel, which do allow adding individual people to the category. Also, Israeli Jews is conceptually and demographically bigger than Israeli women, which is not constrained to being a container category.

Would it be possible for me to change the category type for Category:Israeli women to allow for categorizing individual people's pages to it?

Tamar Marvin (talk) (contribs) 04:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Not a good idea IMO. There are a lot of notable Israeli women, so WP:DIFFUSE applies. Also note that Category:Jewish women explicitly states that "Articles on individual women should not be added directly to this category" (so the women that are listed shouldn't be there) and Category:Women in Israel doesn't have any individuals as entries. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Using WikipideaEdit

Hi Everyone I have a site and I want to use some Wikipedia pages in it, is there some kind of API available for it ? I don't know I am confused ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunty9120 (talkcontribs) 13:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there is an API, Bunty9120. You need to read this page on mediawiki. I suggest you also read WP:REUSE. Good luck.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:14, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

How to clear notification section on my talk page?Edit

My notification message history is too long and I want to clean notification history section from my talk page. Is there a shortcut for this action? The Supermind (talk) 13:34, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

In general, there are two options for your Talk Page, The Supermind. Either set up archiving (see Help:Archiving (plain and simple)) or edit the whole page manually from time to time in order to delete the bits you no longer want. I don't use archiving on my Talk Page but every six months or so I edit out parts of it, knowing they can always be found again in the Page History if ever wanted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:10, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Navboxes not correctly displayedEdit

Hi everyone. I just saw that two navigation boxes at the bottom of Yuzuru Hanyu's bios page are not correctly displayed. I can only see:

#invoke:Authority control

What's the reason behind that and how can that issue be fixed? Thank you very much in advance Henni147 (talk) 15:00, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

@Henni147: It seems like that page has reached a template limit, here specifically the post-expand include size. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
@Victor Schmidt mobil: Thank you very much for the quick reply Henni147 (talk) 15:51, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Am I allowed to download app to my labtop?Edit

Hi am I allowed to download app on my labtop? WP;Yellowbird3 (talk) 17:21, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

@WP;Yellowbird3: which app? -Arch dude (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


I want to contribute some money this week, but don't see a button for it. I don't know if I have a log-in, but my hands shake so I usually mess up passwords. (talk) 18:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Check out [2] for various ways to donate. RudolfRed (talk) 18:55, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
I also advise you to check out Wikipedia finances before donating.--Shantavira|feed me 08:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Shantavira I'm just curious as I've seen you make this post before, are you attempting to discourage people from donating? That's up to you if you are. 331dot (talk) 08:54, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I just think people should be well informed before parting with their money. I suspect their money could be better spent, but it up to them to make an informed decision. If I wanted to discourage people from donating (although generosity is always to be encouraged) I would probably point them to (the unfortunately named) WP:CANCER. Shantavira|feed me 09:06, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Creating and EditingEdit

How do I add a new bio? Also, I would like to edit some existing bios Dawglaw (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

@Dawglaw: Are there multiple in-depth, non-routine, independent sources about the person written by identifiable authors and published in outlets with competent editorial oversight that fact-checks, discloses, corrects, and retracts? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
@Dawglaw: We welcome articles about any notable subject, for our definition of "notable": see WP:N. We will delete any attempted article about non-notable subject. If your subject is notable, proceed to WP:YFA, and we can help you. -Arch dude (talk) 06:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your assistance. I'm new at this, so I will need to work on editing basics and maybe attempt a new article sometime in the distant future. Dawglaw (talk) 14:30, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
@Dawglaw: Feel free to edit any article, if you have reliable sources. See WP:RS. Make sure to cite your sources. If another editor disagrees with you, they may choose to revert your edit and you can then discuss it. see WP:BRD. We feel an obligation to be especially rigorous sbout statement about living persons: see WP:BLP -Arch dude (talk) 06:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

June 30Edit

Wiki Page Name ChangeEdit

Hi there, needing assistance to change my musician's artist page. It is currently Made in Paris but needs to change to PARIS or PARIS (AU) as per all her music DSPs, social media etc. Can anyone please assist as it is not giving me "move" permission

Opoagency (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

This is not going to happen.Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:29, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
WHY? Opoagency (talk) 00:30, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Did you not read the link? Article titles follow standard English text formatting in the case of trademarks, unless the trademarked spelling is demonstrably the most common usage in sources independent of the owner of the trademark. This applies to artist names as well. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:33, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
@Opoagency, you need to make the mandatory paid editing disclosure, as outlined on your talk page, and use {{request edit}} to make requests on the talk page of the article, rather than adding inappropriate unsourced content. (talk) 01:10, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
She may be your musician, but it's Wikipedias article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:43, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

on the page Category:Pages with disallowed DISPLAYTITLE modificationsEdit

Why does the search in the top paragraph come up with results but the link below the header for searching in mainspace not find the same results? I monitor the category occasionally and it always seemed odd that most of what I found were early in the alphabet, but because I never bothered to remember the lead paragraph, I only just noticed the search link up top. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@IAmChaos: Please be more specific and give an example of a difference. I see three things in this order:
  1. This search - currently 53 pages
  2. This PetScan - currently 56 pages (including 3 redirects)
  3. A list of 200 pages in different namespaces below Pages in category "Pages with disallowed DISPLAYTITLE modifications". There is a "next page" link to more pages (approximately 5,770 total)
I'm not sure what you refer to with "the search in the top paragraph" and "the link below the header for searching in mainspace". PrimeHunter (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

I am not able to edit the initial Wikipedia description. It is clearly incorrect. Can you help or not.Edit

I am not able to edit the initial Wikipedia description. It is clearly incorrect. Can you help or not. FredBeggs (talk) 05:56, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

FredBeggs, you need to tell us precisely which article that you are talking about. This is your only edit to Wikipedia with this account, si there are no clues in your edit history. Cullen328 (talk) 06:01, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
@FredBeggs: Are you complaining about something on Wikipedia proper, or search engine results/knowledge panels? Can you link to the page you're having the issue on? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 08:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Please be specific. You have to tell us several things. At which URL do you see it? Quote the text you call "the initial Wikipedia description" (this could mean different things for many pages). What do you want to change it to? Do you have a published reliable source to support the change? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Multiple images made same sizesEdit

Can an expert make the Bank exterior and interior the same height and wide so they match up as the same size in presentation. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:59, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

  Done, not by me. Maproom (talk) 13:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Irrelevant article might be better to removeEdit

Bogotá prison riot doesn't look like it's relevant to have its own page. Maybe better to remove it to avoid Wikipedia becoming over saturated with empty articles. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 13:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)