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Welcome to my talk page I use the name Cullen328 on Wikipedia, but you can call me "Jim" because that's my real first name. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the old comments from July and August of 2009 that follow the "Contents" here, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome when I first started editing Wikipedia.


The importance of a friendly greeting

Hello and welcome to my talk page. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the comments that follow from July and August of 2009 readily visible, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome here on Wikipedia when I first started editing. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Please offer your thoughts

I would appreciate comments and suggestions on any contributions I make. I am learning.Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice work on Jules Eichorn. He's been needing an article for a while.   Will Beback  talk  06:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
If I may suggest, now that you've posted the Eichorn article the draft below might be deleted. It's your talk page to do with as you like, but it's a bit hard to edit around.
As for formatting and pictures, a good way to learn is to look around at other articles to see what you think looks best. It can be helpful to break up long blocks of text into subsections. Perhaps it'd be possible to split the biography into two or three eras. Other than that, the formatting is usually kept fairly plain. As for photos, it's easy to upload them: the trick is in finding photos with appropriate licensing. If you have any personal photos then those'd be fine. There are might be pictures of the peaks he did first ascents on in the Wikicommons. File:Cathedral Peak.png is a so-so pic of Eichorn Pinnacle.
As before, feel free to ask if you have any questions. There are several editors here who are mountaineers or just admirers of the Sierra, so you're in good company.   Will Beback  talk  21:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
PS: Many editors create "sandbox" pages for drafting articles. For example, User talk:Cullen328/Sandbox.   Will Beback  talk  00:17, 1 August 2009

Your climber biographies

Hey Jim, just wanted to say welcome and thanks for your contributions to the Sierra Nevada climbing history articles. You're filling a niche that's been missing here, I look forward to working with you. --Justin (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll second that. Nice work on Allen Steck and welcome to Wikipedia. I don't know who you are planning to write up next but if your taking requests I think Peter Croft (climber) could really use a page. If you ever have any questions please ask. Thanks again for your great additions.--OMCV (talk) 02:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Justin and OMCV. I am beginning work on Tom Frost and Glen Dawson. Comments on Norman Clyde would be welcomed. I will defintely read up on Peter Croft, OMCV. I am still "learning the ropes" in Wikipedia, to use a climbing analogy, and have all sorts of things in mind. My biggest challenge right now is getting permission to use images. My next biggest challenge is hiking to the top of Mt. Whitney with my wife in ten days - she's never been above 12,000 feet except for the train ride up Pikes Peak. As she's 56 and developing arthritis in her toes, it will be an accomplishment if she (and I) complete the Class 1 feat. Jim Heaphy (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Debra and I made it to the summit of Mt. Whitney at 2:20 PM on Friday, September 11. Jim Heaphy (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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Adding cover imagesEdit

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your response. I fully agree with your rationale - but how do I "just do it"? I've gone to one of the image pages and tried to update the summary and licensing info (adapted from another album page from the same band), and was greeted with a rapid deletion message. The code I used was as follows:


Media data and Non-free use rationale
Description Far Skies Deep Time cover
Author or
copyright owner
Big Big Train
Source (WP:NFCC#4)
Use in article (WP:NFCC#7) Far Skies Deep Time
Purpose of use in article (WP:NFCC#8) to serve as the primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the work in question.
Not replaceable with
free media because
Minimal use (WP:NFCC#3) Official album cover artwork from the artist's website
Respect for
commercial opportunities
Fair useFair use of copyrighted material in the context of Far Skies Deep Time//

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2016 Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon @ CCAEdit

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Bay Area WikiSalon series kickoff, April 27Edit

Please join us in San Francisco!
Panel discussion at a recent Wikipedia & Journalism event.

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts in the San Francisco Bay Area will gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. We have two brief presentations lined up for our kickoff event in downtown San Francisco:

  • The Nueva Upper School recently hosted the first ever high school Wikipedia edit-a-thon. We will hear what interests them about Wikipedia, what they have learned so far, and what they hope to achieve.
  • Photojournalist Kris Schreier Lyseggen, author of The Women of San Quentin: The Soul Murder of Transgender Women in Male Prisons, will tell us about her work and how she researched the topic.

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Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on this point.

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Interview invitation from a Wikipedia researcher in University of MinnesotaEdit

Hello Cullen328,

I am Bowen Yu, a Ph.D. student from GroupLens Research at the University of Minnesota - Twin Cities. Currently, we are undertaking a study about turnover (editors leaving and joining) in WikiProjects within Wikipedia. We are trying to understand the effects of member turnovers in the WikiProject group, in terms of the group performance and member interaction, with a purpose of learning how to build successful online communities in future. More details about our project can be found on this meta-wiki page.

I notice you are active in activities related to project page and project talk page, so I wonder if I could invite you for an interview if you are interested in our study and willing to share your experience with us. The interview will be about 30 - 45 minutes via phone, Skype or Google Hangout. You will receive a $10 gift card as compensation afterwards.

Please reach me at if you are interested or have any questions.

Thank you,


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—C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926.
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young user and personal detailsEdit

Please could you take a look at User:AlexCruz289 - I think some of the personal details should be redacted. thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

As you probably know by now, Theroadislong, an oversighter redacted it before I could investigate. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes thank you, is there a preferred way to report these issues when they arise? Theroadislong (talk) 19:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
I think the best thing to do is to look at the various administrative noticeboards such as WP:ANI, WP:AN, WP:AIV and WP:UAA, find an administrator who is currently active, and reach out directly to that person. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:18, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
To be clear: use these boards only to find an admin to contact privately -- don't post on such boards, which draws more attention to that which should remain hidden. The top of WP:ANI has handy reminders on what to do. EEng 14:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @Theroadislong: Another thing which sometimes works is to email Wikipedia:Oversight per WP:BLPPRIVACY to let an OVERSITER know and then follow up by adding links to Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors and Wikipedia:On privacy, confidentiality and discretion or even WP:UPYES if the content ends up being redacted to try and explain why it was removed. Not everyone claiming to be nine years old on their user page is nine years old, but providing more info just in case can be helpful and may help stop them from simply re-adding it again (which seems to might have been the case here). -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:35, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm back!!! Nice try!!! -- AlexCruz289 (talk) 15:37, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

@AlexCruz289: welcome back. Please be aware that the other editors here are only trying to help you. They do not want you to get into trouble. Some other editors who are less friendly or less understanding, say mean things about contacting police or other authorities. That would be silly, so I hope they don't do that. But, perhaps you would find Wikipedia more fun to edit when you are a few years older? Maybe ask your parents what they think. MPS1992 (talk) 22:49, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your observations, MPS1992. This user needs to seriously consider whether they are mature enough and properly prepared to edit Wikipedia productively. AlexCruz289, I am more lenient than many other editors about very young people contributing to this project. I believe that every editor should be judged only on how well their contributions align with our policies and guidelines. That is why I am concerned about the various warnings and negative comments expressed by others on your talk page. If you choose to continue editing, do so cautiously and carefully. If I see future disruptive editing by you, I will block you. Please take my warning seriously. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:10, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Cullen328. Please see this for a warning I left for Alex a while back after having to suppress several edits on multiple occasions. AlexCruz289, the warning still stands, by the way. —DoRD (talk)​ 00:25, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for joining the conversation, DoRD. I appreciate your input. AlexCruz289, take these various warnings seriously, please. You are skating on thin ice. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:32, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd like you to do some admin stuff please.Edit

In re this. I see you've dealt with him before. I'm thinking CIR. He's only 11, has been here 6 months and has been blocked multiple times. Enough. John from Idegon (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I have blocked him several times before, John from Idegon, so am not averse to blocking if needed. But I do not see any specific and recent disruption that rises to the level of an indef. Please keep me posted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:06, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @John from Idegon: They apparently spent part of their last block making the same type and quality of edits under a different account (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Oreratile1207/Archive), so it's not like it actually stops them anyway. Bakazaka (talk) 06:51, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
John from Idegon and Bakazaka, you have convinced me. I have blocked indefinitely. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:49, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Maybe I'm just old school but an 11 year old spending that much unsupervised time on a computer seems like an issue for the authorities. John from Idegon (talk) 18:56, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
I understand your concern, John from Idegon, but editing productively as an 11 year old is of no concern. It is the disruption that matters, and in this case, the evidence of sockpuppetry while blocked was the determining factor. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Well, that didn't take long: Kopano01, with some similar interests and the most obvious possible first edit. Bakazaka (talk) 19:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Reported at SPI, here. John from Idegon (talk) 20:15, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

And back again as Ratiboy02. Bakazaka (talk) 04:22, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Latest SPI here. Bakazaka (talk) 04:51, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Bakazaka, I have indeffed this latest incarnation. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:55, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

other users with same nameEdit

Jim, thanks for the quick and edifying response. so, i normally use the name "bruce hyman", sometimes strung together without the space. when i tried to use this as my wikipedia username, it was rejected. i then tried my amazon username "sophocles", which was also rejected. however, afaik, neither name is actually in use by a wikipedia user. i dont really object to using my middle initial, it's just not my norm... so this is not a massively important thread, just a minor curiosity. again, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucefhyman (talkcontribs) 01:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Brucefhyman. I see that you are not too fond of capital letters, like e.e. cummings and k.d. laing. However, for technical reasons, Wikipedia usernames must start with an uppercase letter. Therefore, neither "bruce hyman" nor "sophocles" are valid usernames. However, there is a registered User: Bruce Hyman who made one edit in 2009 and also User:Sophocles exists, who made two edits in 2005. You may find Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations to be interesting. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:17, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

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Finney RossEdit

Thank you Jim for your reply!

I've been told it is all archived (whatever that means). It has been a very long time. I took screen shots of everything. I'll be happy to send those to whomever would like to see them if I can figure out how to. Best, Todd DavisVintagedirtbiker (talk) 03:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Vintagedirtbiker, please furnish the usernames of the adminstrators who abused you, in your opinion. Forget the screenshots. We work with diffs, as has already been explained to you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you again Jim! I will try my best to understand how to use the "DIFF". As explained previously I suffer from Aphasia which makes comprehension very difficult. It will take me some time to go though all the screen shots to get the names and then to try and use the "Diff" you instructed me to.
I do appreciate your patience and courtesy!
Best, Todd DavisVintagedirtbiker (talk) 05:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Vintagedirtbiker, if you have a disability, then just focus on the usernames of the adminstrators who abused you. Any experienced editor can track it down if you just give us the usernames. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:20, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Changes to Yushancun Cable Car Aerial Tramway entryEdit

Hi Cullen

Thanks for your advice on my entry for the remote Yushancun Cable Car in Hubei Province, China.

I have removed the Daily Mail as a source which is fine as many regard their style of news as tabloid journalism where stories emphasize the sensational and as you note they referred to the tramway as a zip line.

So if there are no sources to reference then what should be removed from my description? I only have 2 paragraphs that describe elements of the Yushancun Ropeway that are essentially self evident. I can remove the "650 meter span" and the "350 meters above" but after that what else would need to be removed that is not self evident?

My area of expertise in China is high bridges of which I update the world's highest bridges Wiki page every year since China now has more then 60 of the world's 100 highest bridges and they are largely hidden from Western media but I also thought two of China's most unknown tramways that rank among the 10 highest tramways in the world should be known to those who enjoy the Aerial Tramways Wiki group.

If the paragraphs of the Yushancun Cable Car are whittled to nothing I fear this entry will be just a title and a few photos but I guess that can be good enough for those Aerial Tramway fans who come across the entry page.



Hello, HighestBridges. You can use Chinese language sources but the article must be based on reliable published sources. As discussed previously, original research is contrary to policy. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:15, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

A desktop is big and expensive?Edit

You commented on The Teahouse that "desktop version" implies you need a "big expensive heavy computer". Actually, my desktop was cheap. My first one did cost as much as a smartphone (I don't think there were smartphones then) but the second one was cheap in every sense of the word.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

"Expensive" is in the eyes of the beholder, Vchimpanzee. What I was trying to convey is that when most people see "desktop", they think it will not work on a smartphone. It does. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:58, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I understood. I just wanted to point out a desktop can be cheap.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:59, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circularEdit

Administrators must secure their accounts

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Please comment on Talk:Donald TrumpEdit

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Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)Edit

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification, Cameron11598. I have implemented the other security recommendations but do not feel comfortable with 2FA at this time. I found the original message a bit disconcerting and really appreciate this new message. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:06, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi Cullen328, thats understandable. But if you have any specific questions about 2FA I currently use it and would be happy to provide any answers I can. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 18:34, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.


  • In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
  • Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.


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While you're right that GM was wrong to mock in this instance, there is little doubt that the person he was mocking is hypersensitive, drama-seeking and hypocritical. I really do not understand why we tolerate their rants, nor why if they are so concerned about their safety and privacy etc they feel it is a good idea to post things anywhere on the web, be it Wikipedia or somewhere else: once it is out there, it is out there and the trolls, tunnel-visioned etc will not let it go. I've tried to explain this in the past but they won't have it and keep carping on about historic things (and slandering other people): every time, for example, the 2010 affair is raised by them, some new contributor is going to think "what was that?" and start digging. - Sitush (talk) 09:38, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your assessment of the situation, Sitush. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:13, 5 May 2019 (UTC)


Cullen, Please go ahead and block/ban me please. Thank you.

Hello Coherbia. If the vandalism has stopped, I am not going to block you. Please consider editing productively or just abandon this account. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:30, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Juan GuaidóEdit

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Hello Jim, can we talk about hounding of new members?Edit

You responded to me on Binksternet's talk page about expecting users to provide references.

This was in relation to an edit war on the Japanese internment page where users were removing the name of the General who was leader and planner of the internment.

The user clearly states the information is already cited, and a quick review shows that indeed it is. The reports from 1943 and 1944 and the Supreme court case source all show him as the leader and planner of the internment. Yet it was repeatedly removed and nobody bothered to check.

This and several example were posted as proof of disruptive editing when in fact it was the other users being disruptive and the new users were simply attempting to correct very clear disruptive edits to articles. This is incredibly discouraging to new users when this happens and they are brow beaten and accused of breaking the rules when they are actually trying to help.

In a second example an edit war broke out on the Albert Speer page because an admin was posting a source that clearly claims to be able to read the thoughts of historical figures. This can be confirmed by googling the book, as its publicly available. The source does indeed claim to be able to read the thoughts and cites this as proof. This is clearly not a valid source, yet the member was punished and then temp banned for pointing out the behavior of the admin.

This is incredibly discouraging to new users when nobody will even read their responses before ignoring them and making unfounded statements against them.

Hello, IP editor. I do not know what you mean by "new members". Wikipedia does not have members. As for hounding, that is a serious allegation that requires solid evidence but you have not provided any evidence at all. You mention a user but do not provide a user name. You mention a general but do not provide the general's name. You mention a Supreme Court case but do not provide the name of the case. You do not even provide a link to the specific article that you are talking about. You report unfair conversations but provide no links to those conversations. You claim that a source used in the Albert Speer article is based on "mind reading" but fail to provide any links to reviews of the source in published reliable sources that accuse the author of mind reading. You do not even provide the title of the source or the name of the author. It is mystifying to me why you take the time to post this vague, unsupported list of complaints on my talk page. The point that I was trying to make on Binksternet's talk page is that Wikipedia editors are expected to provide links to reliable sources in support of the arguments that they are making, and to conduct their discussions with clarity rather than vagueness. If you think a certain published source is unacceptable because its author engaged in "mind reading", then go to the Reliable sources noticeboard with published evidence from respected critics and historians that conclude that this source is not reliable for the assertions. Do not bother to base your critique on your own personal opinions because that is not how Wikipedia works. We reject all forms of unpublished original research carried out by Wikipedia editors. Your failure to provide specific names and links makes it impossible for me to evaluate your concerns any further at this time. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Cullen328, at the back of my mind, I know who this is - it's an evading blocked or banned editor. But I just can't remember who it is at the moment. I'll let you know if it comes to me. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:04, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Got it, see User talk:DbivansMCMLXXXVI and this ANI discussion. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:08, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
And now see User talk:2600:100A:B01C:2427:186F:B1D0:2426:6261. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:23, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Lady Louise WindsorEdit

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Notice of noticeboard discussionEdit

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Please see WP:AN#DbivansMCMLXXXVI community ban? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:23, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


Hi, Just wondering if you wanted to sign my Guestbook, which is located on my User Page

many thanks,

- JJBullet (Talk) 13:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your message on my talk page. UI agree with your about FDR, and to a large extent about Obama. However, I disagree that the opening section of the article on Trump should characterize him as a pathological liar and racist. That is way over the top. JohnTopShelf (Talk)14:15, May 21, 2019 (UTC)

JohnTopShelf, where does it say that? I don't find it. BTW, RS do describe him that way and we have a whole article about his notorious and well-documented antagonistic relationship to truth right here Veracity of statements by Donald Trump‎. This quote is a pretty good summary of the situation: "The president is possibly the single most unreliable source for any claim of fact ever to grace the pages of WP." -- MPants 04:57, 2 October 2018 (UTC) Like the worst blacklisted sources here, Trump is only reliable for his own opinions, never for facts, and he often denies and reverses his own statements to gain points with his base. -- BullRangifer (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

A beer for you!Edit

  Have a nice day! JohnTopShelf (talk) 13:24, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
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