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I'm curiousEdit

You mentioned you had a little script that added a royal crown to a user name if they were an admin. Could you possibly divulge that code and how to implement it? It sounds like it could be not only useful, but kinda "groovy man - like far out" (although perhaps "totes cool" is today's lingo) — Ched :  ?  — 17:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

M poor dear antiquated Ched, crowns are soooo outré. My young little Bish, I would like a tasteful tiara with a tasteful number of tasteful diamonds and tasteful pearls. Thanks ever so.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
I use a little drama emoji: 🎭 See User:Floquenbeam/common.css --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I have the aqua highlighting in my momobook.js by importing one of Mastcell's scripts - but never my own coding to adjust .. I'll look into it. Is there a list of those little icons I can pick from? — Ched :  ?  — 18:12, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • If you added a crown, Floq, that would make you a drama queen.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:13, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Yea Bbb - time does seem to have passed me by in many ways. :-) — Ched :  ?  — 18:16, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Hmmm - putting something like that in my common.css seems to take precedence over my monobook.js. — Ched :  ?  — 18:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
    I just stole that from someone. I have no idea how common vs monobook or css vs js interact. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
    I forget most of what I learned in school (C++, Cobol, VB, etc) and never did study much about javascript and style sheets. Well - did a bit of self taught .js back when Excite had chat rooms and all. Anyway - going back to my highlighter - seems better than the little icons for my taste. ty guys and girls — Ched :  ?  — 18:31, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
@Ched: I'm sorry, I added the crown script ages ago, I don't know where it is. But the effect is very pretty — (better than pearl-clutching, Bbb23!) — perhaps a talkpage stalker would like to dig it out of one of my monobook or common... uh... pages?... for you? (One of them takes precedence? That's over my head completely.) Though I must say the Floque's drama emoji for admins is also very fine, and you see, above, that he has told you where to find it. Bishonen | talk 19:34, 2 August 2019 (UTC).
{{yo|Ched}}? .. hmmm neato. No problem Ms. Bishonen - I found it in your common.css. I tried both the beautiful crown and the drama emoji. For now I'm going to stick with the highlighter. I actually have very little in my common.css, just the edit section. (I commented out the crown and emoji for now) Since I liked the old monobook look - I use that skin and import .js files into that. Greatly appreciate your time though. — Ched :  ?  — 19:50, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Ched: I'm late to this party, but I use this, which allows me to do both icons and colors: that way I can separate all admin and advanced permission holders without remembering too much stuff. Amorymeltzer is quite good about keeping it running, too. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Incandescently obvious sock reduxEdit

I'm about to ping you at Talk:Latino about a circumstantially obvious undeclared sock of Lauracerffer (talk · contribs). I'm trying to assemble diffs and stuff, but you may have more background on this particular case, not to mention more tools, and thus be able to deal with it more rapidly than I could. If your plate is full, no worries; feel free to ignore, and I'll carry on investigating on my side, and report back eventually. Mathglot (talk) 23:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Mathglot: looks kind of obvious, yes. Now that you've asked about previous accounts on their page, perhaps it's as well to leave it till they reply.
I notice that after I'd blocked Lauracerffer, Bbb23 changed the block to a CU-block for abusing multiple accounts, long before either Teresa samonetta or GiannaZarelli had been created, so I guess there must have been earlier socks. Maybe it's time for an SPI? Beeb, would you like to create one, since you're aware of more socks than me and Mathglot? Also pinging Doug Weller, who tried (with little success) to educate the previous incarnations about how to contribute to Wikipedia. Doug, you're also a CU, how about it? Bishonen | talk 08:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC).
I tried to get guidance from WP:SOCK and WP:SPI about whether or not to simply ask the editor about alt accounts, and I couldn't find anything there about it (maybe something should be added?) So, I based my decision to ask her, based on analogy to the guidance I've seen at WP:COI about asking users politely about COI issues, or pasting one of the templates that effectively does the same thing. I hope by asking her, I didn't complicate things.
I sympathize with Doug for the pain he went through earlier. I was tsk-tsking my way through it. Some of that stuff could become a case study for future Rfa candidates on keeping their cool under stressful conditions. I got dissed by her a tiny bit at her User talk page, but that was nothing compared to what Doug went through. Meanwhile, I'm busy designing my WWDD (What Would Doug Do?) bumper stickers and T-shirt designs for Cafe Press; any help or suggestions would be most welcome. Mathglot (talk) 08:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
As long as there's no hurry, which there isn't here, simply asking is a good thing, IMO. Incidentally, for slightly different circumstances (disruption while logged out), one of my socks has a fine template you'd be welcome to use. Bishonen | talk 09:04, 6 August 2019 (UTC).
Ha! Btw, you might be interested in lurking or commenting at WT:SOCK#Guidance about whether to simply ask them, which I just started. Mathglot (talk) 09:52, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@Mathglot: Thanks for the embarrassing compliments. I hope I can live up to them. I see they deny having any other accounts. I've given an only warning for those attacks on here. I note that the editor posted this to someone else at "Why did you delete my addition "people, respective cultures" on the "Latino" article? If you're Spanish, and live in Spain, are you not proud of being a Latino and enjoying Latin culture? I hope you're not being misdirected by the USA's rash 1997 corruption of the word "latino" as a shortened form of "latinoamericano" for the USA's census. We Latin Europeans (in case you happen to be one), are proud of our Latino countries. I know I am (I'm an Italiana from Lazio, Rome, Italy). I won't be bossed about by naysaying Anglo-Americans, and you shouldn't either. Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Romania, Corsica, Malta, San Marino, Monaco are just some of the Old World's Latino countries. Yes, we use Cultura Latina which originated in Rome beginning 1200 BC. And it is, we are Latino people. The term "latinoamerica" ​​was only created in the late 1880s. The USA's silly misuse of the word "latino" for a person from Latin America who comes to live in the USA is both futile and foolish.
Especially since the USA is being latinoized more each year. So is Anglo-Canada. There isn't much of Anglo-America anymore. The French Canadians are Latin People. America is growing up; it's becoming a continent (as we Latins say it is) instead of country (as the Anglo USA community thinks it is). If you're really an Old Word Latino, you should embrace your Latin roots. I know I embrace mine. Being a Roman, it's impossible to give up the cradle of European culture so the USA can consider Native Americans "Latino". You'll notice people in the USA don't naysay their Celtic, Scots, and Anglo-Saxon ethnicities. Yet, they expect we Latin Europeans to forget our Latin cultures, ethinc designations, and roots. It's just NOT on! We Latin Europeans have the right to be called "Latin people" and our Latin cultures need to be embraced and noted here on Wikipedia. We don't disrespect and naysay other people's cultures. We don't like ours naysayed and disrepected. Don't you agree?- The previous unsigned comment is the work of GiannaZarelli ( disc. • contribs ). 19:16, June 13, 2019 (UTC)
I've reverted their latest edit. Doug Weller talk 13:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • You folk are funny. Why anyone would want to ask a sock/person who is known for their aggressive rants whether they've ever edited with another account is beyond me. Their response was predictable, as was my block.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:52, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I'd happily buy a dozen of those stickers Mathglot speaks of. I thought that trash edit push was dead and buried a year ago, or would have helped out. Astonishing the insistence on 'I'm an Italiana from Lazio, Rome, Italy': This is certainly untrue, since the editor in question has a feeble knowledge of Italian, and has zero knowledge of Roman dialect (I'm an experienced translator of it). Best wishes, as always, Doug. Nishidani (talk) 14:56, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
The only Italian I know is operatic.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:00, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I've removed tpa. I don't think we need any more nonsense out of them. Bishonen | talk 15:04, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

Missing conversationEdit

Went back through my Email archive "Toshiba CK6R4" and searched for said reply: couldn't find it. Any ideas please?

Sorry, I don't know what this is about, (You can sign posts on talkpages by typing four tildes ~~~~, which will convert automatically to your username or IP.) Bishonen | talk 08:00, 7 August 2019 (UTC).

Request for protecting Nath (surname) & Debnath from persistent vandalism / unsourced POV editsEdit

Hi Bishonen, would request you to check and protect the articles on Nath (surname) & Debnath. The user User:Siddy0070, who is engaged in an edit war, seems to be a sock of User:Siddharthnath0070. Thanks & Regards, Ekdalian (talk) 09:42, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Some obvious socking there, and quite charming comments on your page, about your jealousy of Brahmins. I've blocked both accounts. Since all the disruption has been coming from them, I think I'll leave the articles for now. Thanks for reporting, Ekdalian, and could you please let me know if more socks turn up? Then I'll semi. Bishonen | talk 10:41, 9 August 2019 (UTC).
Sure, I shall inform you in case more socks turn up. Thanks a lot, Bishonen. Ekdalian (talk) 12:55, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Extra! Extra! Read all about it! Featured article complete fraud! Content creators exposed as poseurs have feet of clay just like other editors!Edit

Just to be sure you don't miss this [1]. EEng 07:59, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I rather enjoyed the (slightly Pythonesque) "pearl-clutching and hand-wringing" imagery.-- Dlohcierekim 12:11, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
It's a little like "He flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions." EEng 14:24, 13 August 2019 (UTC) Since it would be a shame to get blocked before being able to assist in bringing the Moors murders sourcing to at least GA level, I've modified the header of this section to something more neutral.
  • ive been looking at this too. What edition of Staff's book The Lost Boy are you checking against? I suspect it's not the 2007 edition cited in the article but the revised 2013 one, in which some of the text may well have been moved. Perhaps this is why you tag all these failed verificaton errors. I suppose, If you're checking a source it surely makes sense to check against the source that's been cited. Giano (talk) 18:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
    Giano, see [2], and don't call me Shirley. EEng 18:57, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Help neededEdit

Bish - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catahoula bulldog. I just went back over the cited sources in the article - removed the garbage citations, and added tags. I asked Tone to review the close again. Also take a look at the editing experiences of the iVotes - which is great that new editors are getting involved. A few WP:WikiProject Dog editors and I are trying to clean-up articles about breeds that are not breeds, rather they are dog-types, if that, and most are not cited to RS because there are none. I don't think WP considers self-published dog lover/puppymill/hobbyist books as RS, and the same would apply to websites. I want to avoid the back-and-forth with the newbies (so far, I've managed well and have tried to be encouraging) so if you will just take a look at what we're dealing with, and share your thoughts, I'll go from there. Atsme Talk 📧 18:52, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm a little short of time, and not much good with dogs. But I see Tone has relisted it. I hope some of my stalkers will check it out. Bishonen | talk 20:15, 13 August 2019 (UTC).
Ok, no problem. I'll just leave this diff which helps explain a little about why it's particularly important fo get these articles right. Atsme Talk 📧 22:59, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Purely coincidental that EEng is having similar issues regarding accuracy. Atsme Talk 📧 23:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC)


That block ( ) should be for personal attacks, they did some small vandalism yesterday but today their edits weren't vandalism they were simply blanking TP warnings the main issue was the comments in edit summary. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Really? There was so much of it I had trouble getting an overview, and of course CLCStudent was wrong to revert their blanking of their own talkpage; I'm surprised CLC doesn't know that. But what stood out for me was their redirecting their own and another IP talkpage to User talk:Jimbo Wales. Bishonen | talk 20:30, 17 August 2019 (UTC).
If we stretch good faith those were tests and they stopped today but that would be a stretch for sure! Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:40, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, anyway, thanks for coming to my page to discuss, HIB. It's nice to see you here. Bishonen | talk 20:58, 17 August 2019 (UTC).

Merle Haggard and Garner Ted ArmstrongEdit

Hey Bish, I pinged you earlier about this, but I think this is linked to the socking over at Garner Ted Armstrong. The IP addresses are all different, but the IP editor is restoring the same unverifiable quotation about Merle Haggard and Armstrong that they were warring over on that page, and their talk page comments make it pretty clear they are mostly concerned with linking Armstrong and Haggard. Can you take a look or should I just ask at ANI? Thanks! Nblund talk 15:59, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

It's a notable difference that these IPs are not attacking Doug Weller, or saying you're Doug's sock, so maybe not the same. Anyway, I've semi'd Merle Haggard for three months. Check out the protection log — apparently it was exactly the same thing 3 years ago: "11:54, 21 April 2016 Nyttend changed protection level for Merle Haggard [Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 11:54, 28 April 2016) [Move=Require administrator access] (indefinite) (Persistent disruptive editing: Addition of copyright infringements by multiple IPs)." Persistent seems right! Incidentally, I do see your ping on Talk:Merle Haggard now, but I did not receive your notification. Unreliable, pings are! 😟 Bishonen | talk 16:34, 18 August 2019 (UTC).
Haha, you're right that that did kind of seem like a defining feature of the previous account. Thanks for taking a look! Nblund talk 16:59, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
The thing is, I suspect they're right. I can Cinderella a source saying that Haggard was listening to Armstrong and got some inspiration from him. I can't afford the Merle Haggard autobiography it you'd expect that to mention Garner. Doug Weller talk 18:13, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: Cinderella? Bishonen | talk 19:09, 18 August 2019 (UTC).
I've no idea how "find" turned inti Cinderella. Doug Weller talk 19:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Uh.. link, please. I have so much recent. (Going out now, back in a few hours.) Bishonen | talk 11:32, 20 August 2019 (UTC).
No worries, 331dot caught it at the same time I posted here. ——SerialNumber54129 12:41, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Apologies, Doug Weller, I misread that as "biography", rather than autobiog :) if you're really keen on the thing, there's a copy here for less thn 8$ inc. shipping. ——SerialNumber54129 12:41, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
          • @Serial Number 54129: not really, it's up to the soci/meatpuppets to find it. He also co-wrote " My House of Memories: An Autobiography". Doug Weller talk 12:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Ah. Then the sockmeister can spend their own hard-earned then :) ——SerialNumber54129 12:54, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


You've got some. Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 14:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I've got your message, Steve. Sorry not to have replied, but I'm still thinking about it. Bishonen | talk 14:52, 20 August 2019 (UTC).
No rush, thanks. Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 14:55, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
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