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Including addresses in articles

It strikes me as odd whenever I'm reading Wikipedia pages for a business or organisation and it lists the address of the organisation. A recent example I came across was on the article for Yeshiva V'Kollel Beis Moshe Chaim, where it reads "The yeshiva is located at a converted Howard Johnson located on the corner of Alton Road and 41st Street."

I've tried to find any pages about this in the MOS or elsewhere and haven't been able to find anything, so I was wondering if anybody could provide some insight as to whether or not it's recommended to have (non-notable) addresses included in Wikipedia articles. Thanks! – Insincere Giraffe (talk) 23:33, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Insincere Giraffe. I took a fresh look at five articles that I have written concerning buildings. They are 1973 Miami Beach firebombing and Cayetano Juarez Adobe and Holy Virgin Cathedral and 1986 San Francisco fireworks disaster and Whoa Nellie Deli. In three of five cases, I gave street addresses. In the other two cases, I described the locations with precise descriptions of street intersections similar to your example. No one has ever objected, and to be frank, I do not see any problem with including addresses, as long as an address is not associated with promotional content. Cullen328 (talk) 00:00, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thanks for the response! I'll keep addresses in pages in that case. I also run across hours of operation from time to time. (I have no examples on hand unfortunately, but something to the effect of a sentence in the lead like "xyz is open weekdays from 10am to 5pm".) Do you have thoughts on this? – Insincere Giraffe (talk) 14:17, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Insincere Giraffe, in my view, that is promotional content and therefore inappropriate. Cullen328 (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

My user page

When I go to my user page, it says I don’t have a user page yet, but when I click ‘Create your own,’ it says this page is protected to prevent vandalism??? Did I something wrong, is this something an admin can do, like blocking, or is this just a bug on my device? Or is it because I’m using an IP address and not an account?98.97.34.38 (talk) 03:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey IP address! Is it this section, you were having trouble with? 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:02, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes! And when I click reload, it gives me a page with a button to create my page, but then it gives me the protected for vandalism message! 98.97.34.38 (talk) 04:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, thank you for such a prompt reply! 98.97.34.38 (talk) 04:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Midori No Sora I forgot to ping you98.97.34.38 (talk) 04:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

I've created the userpage User:98.97.34.38. does the message still appear when editing? 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:22, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Midori No Sora No, it doesn’t! Thank you so much! 98.97.34.38 (talk) 04:29, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Glad I can help! 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

ip users are not supposed to have userpages. ltbdl (talk) 06:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

There are some out there (for example) User:220.101.28.25 and User:47.227.95.73. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 08:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

We do list "your own" user pages as a benefit of creating an account, but I don't actually see where it is a policy that IPs absolutely cannot have user pages; I think the main issue is that IPs are almost always shared so IPs almost never represent a single user that can be represented by a user page. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Our MediaWiki software is used by numerous wikis. The mobile version displays "Create your own" (MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-user-page-create-owner-page-link-label) if you are on your own user page and it hasn't been created. I don't know whether it's a bug or intentional but the message is also displayed if you are not logged in and are on the user page for your IP address. That sounds like a bad idea to me. The English Wikipedia, and probably most wikis, don't want IP's to have user pages because IP addresses often change and can be shared by many people. The English Wikipedia has completely prevented IP's from creating user pages. This prevention is apparently misinterpreted by a MediaWiki feature which claims "This page is protected to prevent vandalism" when IP's click "Create your own". Summary: The conflicting messages are caused by two features not being coordinated. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Lying during discussion or voting

Hello, I recently came across a discussion (or a vote) on a Wikipedia article's talk page where someone posted a comment that included two anchor texts that link to external webpages. However, the anchor texts blatantly misrepresent the content of those linked pages. It seems that no one has noticed this yet, although it seems to have already influenced at least one person. Is this kind of practice allowed here? Modrenebe (talk) 13:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Modrenebe Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It would help to know which discussion you are talking about- but you should first attempt to discuss this issue as part of that discussion. 331dot (talk) 13:34, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 331dot, nice to see you. The discussion I'm referring to is this one Talk:List of major terrorist incidents#Discussion. And the comment I'm referring to is the following comment by Shadowwarior8:

Counter point - Netanyahu's "Operation Swords of Iron" should be regarded as a campaign of mass-terror, considering that the IDF chief categorised Palestinians as "human animals" Nazi-style and Netanyahu has ordered the ethnic cleansing of 1.1 million Gazan civilians. "Israel tells 1.1 million Gazans to evacuate south. UN says order is ‘impossible’" (CNN, 13 October 2023)

His first anchor text, which says that IDF chief "categorised Palestinians as "human animals" Nazi-style," clearly misrepresents the content of the article, which instead says that it was the "Palestinian fighters who attacked Israel over the weekend" that the IDF described as human animals, not all Palestinians in general. And Shadowwarior8 follows this false statement of his by saying that "Netanyahu ordered the ethnic cleansing of 1.1 million Gazan civilians". While the article he linked to instead says that the evacuation is to avoid harming Palestinian civilians when Israel launches retaliatory offensive against Hamas. Modrenebe (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

It seems like they are giving their viewpoint interspersed with the links which do not make those claims; it's fine for them to give their views, but not to make it seem like sources are giving those views when they do not. I've brought this up with them. 331dot (talk) 14:15, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Modrenebe (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, I misunderstood the wording of the first one. I shall delete that wording.

As for ethnic cleansing, various news outlets have accused Netanyahu of ordering ethnic cleansing. I have mentioned the news sources in another comment in that dicussion. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 22:40, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Problems italicizing article title correctly

I just created the article for the documentary film Sen-bong (Avangard: Koreyskiy Kolkhoz), but am having trouble with correctly italicizing its title. The "italic title" template only italicizes the portion of the name outside the parentheses. If I try to use the "DISPLAYTITLE" template to fix this, I get an error message. Any help, as always, will be received very gratefully. Thank you. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:12, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi CurryTime7-24. {{Infobox film}} automatically adds italics without the parentheses. I have disabled that and used {{italic title|all=yes}}.[1] DISPLAYTITLE would also have worked when the infobox italics are disabled. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:15, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very kindly for your help! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

My copyedit of the Barack Obama article was reverted and the reverter ignored my invitation to the article talk page. What should I do?

I am very puzzled by the posts (mostly siding with the absent reverter) of about five editors who have joined in the discussion (that I initiated at the suggestion of someone at the Teahouse during my last visit) on the article talk page and seem to support the reverter, despite the fact that the reverter has not joined in the discussion at all, and has not responded to messages posted on a user page either.

What should I do? What is the wise thing to do? What are my options? Polar Apposite (talk) 03:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite: The reverter hasn't made any edits to Wikipedia since they reverted you. They may have important things in real life to do now, and may respond later, so please be patient. I'm glad you received replies from multiple other editors. GoingBatty (talk) 03:32, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

How were you able to tell that the reverter hasn't made any edits since reverting me? Polar Apposite (talk) 03:42, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

And thanks for the prompt response. Polar Apposite (talk) 03:42, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite You can use their user contribution log and check the timestamps on that. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 03:46, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for joining in. I couldn't find a link to the reverter's user contribution log anywhere on the user page, nor on the talk page. How did you find it? Polar Apposite (talk) 03:53, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Grumpylawnchair I forgot to ping you. Polar Apposite (talk) 03:57, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite While on the user's talk page, go to "tools" on the right-hand side of the screen and then press "User contributions". For a more detailed explanation, please see Help:User contributions. Hope this helps! Grumpylawnchair (talk) 04:00, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Grumpylawnchair I found it. Thanks a lot. I also noticed the page information button on VB's talk page, and was able to see how many views it got for each day. I had no idea that was possible. Can anyone see which Wikipedia pages I visit while I am logged in? And how can I see page views from the more distant past:? Polar Apposite (talk) 04:15, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite I don't know about the page views but I'm fairly sure that nobody can see which pages you only visit, as opposed to edit. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 04:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Grumpylawnchair Nobody at all? No human being? Polar Apposite (talk) 04:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite As far as I know, a normal editor can't see and so can't admins. I've never heard of anyone checking, so it probably isn't a possibility. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 04:34, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Could you advise me what to do regarding the reversion discussion on the talk page of the article about Barack Obama? Polar Apposite (talk) 04:30, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Grumpylawnchair Polar Apposite (talk) 04:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite Honestly, I'd advise you to take Drmies's advice and just lay off. The additional words don't seem to add anything to the paragraph, so they can be safely removed as wordcruft. I need to go to bed, as it is past midnight, so I'll let other editors take over from here. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 04:38, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Grumpylawnchair Thanks for your help. Sleep well. Polar Apposite (talk) 04:43, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Why are you glad that I got replies from multiple editors? Polar Apposite (talk) 03:55, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty I forgot to ping you. Polar Apposite (talk) 03:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite: I'm glad other editors care enough about you and your concerns to engage in discussion with you in the absence of the reverter. That doesn't always happen. GoingBatty (talk) 05:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty They care enough to tell me to shut up about my concerns, or am I misreading the situation? Polar Apposite (talk) 05:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty I'm not saying that it necessarily wrong of them. But it does seem to me that they are not really addressing the points that I have made. Aren't we supposed to be having a debate? Isn't that why I was told to invite VB to the article talk page? I feel incredibly out of my depth here, so I really am not saying I am in the right, but I really would like to understand what is going on here. Wikipedia guidelines say the next step after not being able to achieve consensus (and by the way, what *does* "consensus" mean?) is a request for arbitration. And yet the editors on the article talk page seem to not be thinking like that at all. I totally get that the letter of the law and the spirit of the law may be quite different, and some rules are made to be broken, and there are unwritten rules and so on. So I am quite willing to back off from the discussion as more than one fellow Wikipedian has advised me to do. I would just like to understand why I should do that. Polar Apposite (talk) 05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty And I *have* refrained from posting on the article talk page ever since the first person said I should back away. And I haven't edited the article since then. But I still want to understand what is going on. Is that with just under (just *over* now, my 500th edit was just now in the Tearoom :) ) 500 edits I don't yet get to do things like request arbitration? Polar Apposite (talk) 06:04, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite: You might find WP:CONSENSUS helpful, in both Wikipedia's definition of building "consensus" and dispute resolution. GoingBatty (talk) 23:50, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia guidelines say the next step after not being able to achieve consensus (and by the way, what *does* "consensus" mean?) is a request for arbitration.

I don't know where you read that, but it is not correct. Read WP:DR to understand the various dispute resolution processes. If you cannot reach consensus, you can try getting a third opinion, opening a request for comment or posting on the dispute resolution noticeboard. Arbitration is only for serious cases of editor misconduct, and is specifically NOT for disputes about article content (WP:DR says If you have taken all other reasonable steps to resolve the dispute, and the dispute is not over the content of an article, you can request arbitration. The arbitration committee will not consider content disputes. CodeTalker (talk) 00:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Page Views: The default is the most recent 20 days, but the options to the left allow picking dates, whole years, views per month instead of per day, etc. David notMD (talk) 11:02, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Help with Infobox_station Template - CSS Style Sheets

Hello

I would like help with external CSS styles. I am creating an article (or series of articles) for the Edinburgh Trams network. I am using a template, Infobox station, for each tram stop article. All is going fine, however there is a parameter in the Infobox station template called style which, when used, refers to an external CSS template so that the specific Infobox can be changed (e.g. the header title appears in corporate colours). However, despite trying to learn how to use this parameter and reading the Wikipedia template help articles, I am still none-the-wiser. Could someone explain to me how I can create my own external CSS reference.

As an example as to how I would like the article to look I refer to Butler's Hill tram stop. As you can see, the title on the Infobox is in the corporate teal colour, which is common on articles such as these. The Wiki code has the following parameter in the Infobox.

| style = Nottingham Express Transit

The style refers to Nottingham Express Transit as an External CSS, but I'm unsure how to do this for my own articles. Any help would be much appreciated. Xtrememachineuk (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Xtrememachineuk: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you ask at Template talk:Infobox station, and specify which specific articles you would like help with. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Editing view font change

Hi there, as of this morning, Eastern Time, the font in editing view (sorry, not the technical term) has changed. I didn't do this myself, so I suspect a change took place on the webpage itself? I'm not used to the new font and would prefer to return to the previous one. Is this possible? Thanks! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: Once in a while, I accidentally make a keystroke error and accidentally change the zoom setting in my browser. To fix it, I go into the browser settings and change the zoom back to 100%. Is this what you're referring to? GoingBatty (talk) 05:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty, thanks for your response. No, it is not the zoom setting (I do that once in a while too). The font is drastically different from what it was. As far as you know, was there any system-wide change to the font in the last 48 hours? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 05:15, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: I haven't seen any different font. Which skin are you using? GoingBatty (talk) 06:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: Special:Contributions/Revirvlkodlaku shows you switch between the Android app and the desktop site in a browser. Which has changed and are you sure it isn't just your own switching? I don't know the Android app. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:23, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Greetings @Revirvlkodlaku: Over the years, I have switched to various Skins and am now using Timeless (my fav). Here is what I use to override default editing window font, and color, etc. textarea[style] { height: 46em; color: #32cd32; font-family: 'Noto Mono'; font-size: 110%; } /* color Lime green text */ To update; Preferences, Appearance, then "Custom CSS" for whatever skin you're using, and insert the line (minus the code/nowiki brackets) somewhere near the bottom, and Save. This override was given to me years ago from a VPT expert so it's not my invention. Hope this helps. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 12:10, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty, it looks like I'm using MonoBook at the moment, which I'm quite happy with.

@PrimeHunter, I do switch between the Android app and the desktop site quite a bit, but I've been doing that for years and never encountered this problem...

@JoeNMLC, thank you for that suggestion. I tried it (not sure if I correctly removed the code/nowiki brackets), and it seemed to make a difference. The only problem I have now is that the font colour is lime green. Do you happen to know the code for the regular, black text? Thanks! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:16, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku Change color: #32cd32 to color: black — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:20, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paper9oll, thanks, that worked. Sorry to be a pain, but I'm wondering if there's a way I can find the font I used up until this change mysteriously occurred (less than 48 hours ago). Or alternatively, is there a basic set of fonts I can try out, and perhaps land back on my preferred one? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku By default, "Edit area font style" in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing is set to "Monospaced font" which correspond to the your browser's font settings. I'm using Windows which defaults to "Consolas" on Firefox/Chrome/Edge. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paper9oll, I tried switching to both alternative options (serif and sans serif), and neither is the original font I used before. Besides, switching creates a new problem—I don't see a cursor when I'm typing, which is even worse. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku Able to provide your platform and browser? Also, if you happened to check your browser's font settings already? Because if you were to change to serif and sans serif in Wikipedia then similarly, it will also change according based on your browser's font settings. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:45, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paper9oll, I'm using the Chrome browser on Ventura OS, the latest Mac platform. I know the browser updated recently, so that could have caused the change. I just went into the browser font settings; I'm guessing it's a matter of trying each one until I find the one I used before? Is there a quicker way of doing it, by chance? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku Sadly there isn't any quicker way that I know of. Fyi, the default Fixed-width font in Chrome on macOS is "Courier" so if chrome://settings/fonts isn't showing as this font, you may want to change to this font to see if it happens to be the font you are looking for. Otherwise, you would need to go through each font installed in macOS till you find it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paper9oll, ok, I went ahead and tried Courier, but it made it even worse 🤣 Thanks for trying though, I appreciate the effort. I'll reach out to Chrome support and see what they say, and otherwise, I may just have to go through a bunch of different fonts and hopefully find one I like 🤷🏼 Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

article finished in The Articles for creation,

i create an article: Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams in a by Creating it at Articles for creation, hope you like it's in the draft and waiting to be approved, hope you like it thanks Samchristie05 (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Samchristie05 Someone at WP:Articles for creation will review it and decide whether or not it is suitable for Wikipedia. This will take some time, but it will eventually get reviewed. Do you have any further questions? ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 23:16, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

after it reviews, sould i move the draft to the mainspace or wait? Samchristie05 (talk) 23:37, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Samchristie05. To answer this one point directly: no. If the Reviewer Approves the Draft, they will move it to Mainspace. If they do not and instead Decline it, it will remain a draft and you will need to improve it in the areas which they have specified (and in other ways too, if you can) before re-submitting it. If they Reject it, you should abandon the draft as (in the Reviewer's judgement) it is not (currently) a subject that can qualify for an article. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.71.208.84 (talk) 07:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Samchristie05. The direct quotation from Cub Koda is WAY too long, and is unreferenced, which is a policy violation. Please read Wikipedia:Quotations. Also, your only reference is a bare URL throws up a 404 error. Please read Referencing for beginners. If your draft is accepted, the reviewer will move it to mainspace, but it needs a lot of work. Cullen328 (talk) 00:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

do you think a shorter quotation will work better or no> Samchristie05 (talk) 00:34, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Samchristie05, in my view, a quotation should not normally be longer than three sentences, or four at the max. Even more importantly, a quotation should not dominate an article section, and it should not largely replicate the original source. All such factors stray into possible copyright violations. A four sentence quote from a 400 page book is probably OK. A four sentence quote from a seven sentence online article is almost certainly a copyright violation. Cullen328 (talk) 05:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

alright just did 3 entences hopes it's good? Samchristie05 (talk) 16:58, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Archiving References

I used to use a tool to archive references: https://iabot.toolforge.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle. Now it is asking me to login, which I have never done before. Is this tool OK to archive web links for a single Wikipedia article? TwoScars (talk) 20:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@TwoScars, yes, I believe that it does archive web links for a single article. To log in, you just press the link that's asking you to log in, and if you're logged into your Wikipedia account, it will ask you to use your Wikipedia account to use IABot. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 23:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks. BTW, I just used it, and it timed out. I was surprised the GA Tools were discontinued. Any Tools help is useful. TwoScars (talk) 17:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

"Historical Dictionary of School Segregation" external links spam

I have seen a bunch of recently-added links for "Historical Dictionary of School Segregation and Desegregation: The American Experience" ... appears to be about 20 such links, mostly in "external links" section of pages, within the past 24 hours.

1. Does this count as spam? 2. Is there someplace I should report this, or should I fix it myself? 3. Should I be more aggressive, pointing out that the same user has been doing similar spammy stuff for a couple of months or more, and take it upon myself to delete all of the other spammy links this user has added? Fabrickator (talk) 07:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I assume you mean the edits by User:Rjensen. They look fine to me, not what I would call WP:SPAM. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

In the last few weeks I have been creating or expanding articles on "education in xxx" where xxx is a US state or major city. School segregation is a major subtheme and I have found the book "Historical Dictionary of School Segregation and Desegregation: The American Experience" is a very useful scholarly reference. See online copy Its author Jeffrey Raffel is a well-regarded professor at the U of Delaware; we have never been in contact in any way. I have zero connection or conflict of interest to any of these "Education in xxx" articles or to any of the scholarly books and articles in the "Further reading." I have followed the rules regarding spam especially: " Spam is the inappropriate addition of content to Wikipedia with the intention of promoting or publicizing an outside organization, individual or idea." Rjensen (talk) 15:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:Spam#External link spamming provides a more nuanced interpretation of the situation, e.g. repeatedly adding links will in most cases result in all of them being removed. Of course, I'm not alleging that you're obtaining any sort of personal gain or advantage, but adding links to as many articles as you can rationalize is maybe somewhat counterproductive. FWIW, this was already included in Bibliography of the history of education in the United States.

While this source can surely be a helpful for relevant content, that can probably be said about hundreds of other sources, and it may be better or worse than those other sources. It just seems to be that one of the "themes" regarding "further reading", "bibliographies", and the like is that we should avoid overdoing it. If we really want to have extensive bibliographies, then I'm fine with that, but our policy ought to clearly reflect that. Fabrickator (talk) 21:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

After working with that book I concluded it was the single best source available for our readers on the topic of school segregation at the local level. So I added it to the numerous articles dealing with racial segregation. In university history classes (and in many high schools) the students have to write research papers, and many turn to Wikipedia for help in finding useful sources. Professors do not want them to depend on the text in Wiki articles, but they do encourage them to use our bibliographies. I had those students in mind. If instead they go to Google Scholar, they will find over 600,000 links! listed here As for my academic experience in making judgments about the usefulness of history books see Richard J. Jensen. Back in the 1970s I had major grants from the National Institute of Education to study the history of education in USA; to this day I try to follow the academic literature on that topic. Rjensen (talk) 22:50, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but there's a school of thought that someone who's an expert in a particular field is unlikely to be neutral about that subject. One who fancies themself as an expert in English mechanics is likely to have a strong opinion about the Oxford comma. I suppose I should give you credit for not suggesting that we actually should be targeting for the 600,000 link bibliography that Google Scholar would provide. Fabrickator (talk) 07:50, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Am I neutral about education? No I'm in favor of it. How about you? Rjensen (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Neutral, in the context of the WP:NPOV, doesn't mean that you have no opinion, but that you can maintain a "neutral" perspective on it. There are so many pertinent sources to incorporate in a bibliography related to school segregation and desegregation. Better to have sources that will cover the topic broadly, or should the emphasis be on sources that go into greater depth? Perhaps there is a place for both. In any case, WP guidance generally suggests to be managing the size of bibliographies. I merely suggest that the goal of the "encyclopedia" is better served by including the reference to this "dictionary" in the most general of related articles, while including sources that are more directly related in articles which are more focused. Fabrickator (talk) 17:06, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone help me out making an Article about an Artist

Hello there, I'm here to ask for a help. I made an article and published it but it was deleted. Can anyone help me out making one ? Ringnaiding (talk) 17:35, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

You have attempted multiple times to create this, it was declined as a draft, rejected as a draft and finally sent to WP:AFD here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rinx Neon the topic simply isn't notable. Theroadislong (talk) 17:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ringnaiding: Additionally, from the note on your talk page, a recent effort was deleted for copyright infringement. I suggest you find something else to work on. RudolfRed (talk) 17:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Avoiding Mistakes

Does anyone have tips on how to avoid making mistakes when helping on Wikipedia? Cwater1 (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Cwater1, thanks for your contributions! Here's a few tips of mine:

• Try using the VisualEditor; it's much more easy to prevent syntax mistakes there than in the wikitext editor.
• When you do want to use wikitext editing, enable syntax highlighting. If the colors are kind of off, you can know that something's wrong with your formatting.
• Try to read some policies and guidelines about an area before jumping in.
• Ask for help when you need it! The Teahouse itself is a great place. You can also try Discord.

Hope that helps! — Frostly (talk) 03:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Frostly Those are helpful tips. I should also proofread to make sure what I'm adding is correct. Saying something incorrect could make it come out wrong. Cwater1 (talk) 04:00, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Another reason I want to be careful because Amazon Alexa could mistakenly read off an article that got vandalized or had wrong information. Cwater1 (talk) 18:02, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

i made a genuine edit and which is undid by exclusive editor

i made a genuine  edit and which is undid by exclusive editor

Bharatpur district Thinker1997bharat (talk) 18:18, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Thinker1997bharat. You changed the name of the district to "BharatpurBuzz which is obviously not correct, and is a minor example of vandalism. Do not do that again. You also added a few more bits of information, including mayor, but we need them to be sourced- check out WP:VERIFY. Qcne (talk) 18:23, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Lies

Why do say conspiracy theory as if it's bad? 219.89.60.75 (talk) 23:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP editor! Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 23:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! See the article titled Conspiracy theory. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 05:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

In general, if many reliable sources call something a conspiracy theory, we will title it as one. Just because a small fraction of the population says otherwise, the claim not violate WP:N. ✶Mitch199811✶ 19:35, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Draft box

How do I add the box, with the submission button at the top of a page, to a draft? I recently moved some userspace pages (translated at the request of an IP) to draftspace (Draft:Moritake Kimura, Draft:Mika Muramatsu, Draft:Heikichi Yamamoto, Draft:Yellow Fangs). ayakanaa ( t · c ) 20:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Done, the template is at Template:AfC submission/draftnew Qcne (talk) 20:29, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I’m blocked on Spanish Wikipedia, but I have never made any edits there

I tried to create a user page over there (currently learning the language and thought it might good practice) and I got an alert saying I was blocked. There was a link leading me to this block log saying an IP address, that I did not use and do not recognize, was blocked for nearly 10 years. I would like to restate that I have never edited or commented on Spanish Wikipedia before. I did make some non logged in edits on English Wikipedia last year, but again, nothing on Spanish Wikipedia. Very confused what is going on here and would appreciate any help I can get. I would really like the opportunity to contribute over there. Thanks. Slamforeman (talk) 02:55, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

If Slamforeman were blocked over there, es:Especial:Contribuciones/Slamforeman would say so. It does not. What makes you think that you're blocked? -- Hoary (talk) 03:32, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I tried editing my user page again and it works now? I am still very confused, but I won’t look a gifted horse in the mouth. Thanks anyways though. Slamforeman (talk) 03:50, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

It was most likely an autoblock. Some vandal possibly had a similar IP address as you, and when they got blocked, you also got caught in the crossfire. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 21:58, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Unsure how to provide a screenshot or something, but when I tried making a user page, a pop appeared that said “

Estás bloqueado y no puedes editar Wikipedia. Bloqueado por LuchoCR El bloqueo caducará dentro de 9 años Ver detalles” and “Ver detalles” was a link to the block log I provided above. Slamforeman (talk) 03:44, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Slamforeman, disconnect from your VPN / iCloud Private Relay / etc. — Frostly (talk) 04:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Slamforeman, one possibility is that someone else is using the same or a very similar IP address as you, and vandalized the Spanish Wikipedia, and that your account got caught up in a rangeblock. Wikipedia:IP block exemption should give you an overview of the issue. But you will have to address the issue on Spanish Wikipedia. English Wikipedia administrators have no power there. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

It is working now, but if it happens again I will go through with what you suggest. Thank you very much! Slamforeman (talk) 15:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Sticky headers on smartphone browsers

Hey, I tried the sticky headers on the smartphone browsers of Firefox and Free Adblock browsers. Both browsers don't show the sticky headers in the mobile view of Wikipedia.

While the browser on my desktop PC shows the sticky headers in both the desktop and mobile view of WP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A320_family_operators

Where can I raise this topic or to whom on WP do I need to talk to let the sticky headers be shown also in smartphone browsers? WikiPate (talk) 15:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome top the Teahouse, WikiPate. I agree with you that the sticky headers on tables do work in 'mobile view' on a desktop computer, but don't work in either mobile view or desktop view on a mobile (at least not on my old iPhone 5S) using either Chrome or Safari.

If you look at this section about sticky headers in tables, you will see that sticky table headers have not yet been enabled for mobile users. You might wish to follow some of the links at the top of that section (and the one above that) to see latest discussions on the topic. Resolving this looks like it would be a major software development which may - or may not - be on the cards. Sorry I can't offer much more advice than that.

It's possible some of the techies at WP:VPT might know of add-ons or other tweaks that give tables that functionality in mobile view - I simply have no idea. But do read and follow all the links I've mentioned before you think about asking there. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the information!

I saw that sticky headers are not displayed in the visual editor in the desktop website view on a desktop PC.

Can I suggest this improvement to the team of the visual editor? WikiPate (talk) 22:34, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@WikiPate It does no harm in making suggestions. BTW: Every year (around this time) editors are invited to recommend improvements they would like to see. Other editors can vote on which ones they think are most important. Then (usually two or more years later) we hear the development team have incorporated a couple of them! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Calculating the sum in tables

Hey, is there an easy way to calculate the sum of figures in a column of a table?

For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_operators

I'd like to calculate the sum of the figures with a green background for each column. WikiPate (talk) 22:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@WikiPate I'm by no means an expert on creating Tables, but I wasn't aware there's any way of creating a formula which autosums a row or column as would be possible in Excel. Obviously, it's theoretically possible to use a third-party tool to export to Excel and then to convert it back to wikimarkup after performing the necessary calculations in Excel. But it's a delicate and tricky process, and one I'd not want to do regularly.

I did find this guidance, but I couldn't get it to work on the table in the page you linked to. Even if it did, you'd still have to enter those summed figures manually for each column, it seems. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:03, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Locked Out?

Hi. I created an account the other week but lost my password and failed to attach my account to an email address. My old account was TaxGalPDX. The account I created to post this message is TaxGalPDX2. Is there a way to merge the two accounts or do I just abandon TaxGalPDX and use this one from now on? Thank you.  TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 23:00, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi TaxGalPDX2, I’m afraid that we can’t merge accounts so you will just have to abandon your first one - Arjayay (talk) 23:03, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @TaxGalPDX2. Further to Arjayay's advice, using your new account, you could go to User:TaxGalPDX and leave a note there to link to your new account, and do a similar thing on your new account's Userpage (which you've not yet created, I see). By explaining that you've lost the login details to User:TaxGalPDX, it'll be clear to anyone wondering why there are two very similar account names. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh that's a great idea, I'll do that, thank you. TaxGalPDX2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TaxGalPDX2 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Nick - I just tried to do that but it said I'm not permitted to edit a Userpage other than my own? Maybe because this is a new account? TaxGalPDX2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TaxGalPDX2 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@TaxGalPDX2 Yes, that's correct. Just put a note on your 'new' userpage account, linking to the old one. I think you'd be able to edit it later on if you wished. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:20, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!!! TaxGalPDX2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TaxGalPDX2 (talk • contribs) 23:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

How do I add "quote?"

(Sorry for not correctly signing my previous posts. I just realized you don't have to type your name out each time.) I notice that some sources in articles will quote a portion of the text from the reference if you hove over it. But when I use the drop-down menu that isn't one of the options. Do I add that manually and how do I do it??? Thank you!!! TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 23:29, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind just saw the Intro to Referencing guide on my userpage! TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 23:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Notability

I was helping out an IP with articles related to the Sankebetsu brown bear incident (namely Moritake Kimura ja:木村盛武, Mika Muramatsu ja:村松美香, Yellow Fangs ja:リメインズ 美しき勇者たち, Heikichi Yamamoto ja:山本兵吉, Haruyoshi Ōkawa ja:大川春義). I don't think any of them are notable, but I was wondering if I could get another opinion. Thanks, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 00:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Ayakanaa, Draft:Mika Muramatsu looks like a parody of a vapid non-article about a Japanese starlet. It even stoops to "Her blood type: O". (Tip: a claimed relationship between blood-type and personality traits is mere poppycock.) Please no. Sankebetsu brown bear incident cites "thesis", which turns out to be a master's thesis ... and one whose abstract is -- no, I shan't describe it; instead, view this monstrosity for yourself. (There's a link to downloading the entire thesis; really, I'd rather not.) Both Draft:Moritake Kimura and Draft:Heikichi Yamamoto link to this very "thesis", although luckily they stop short of citing it. So, notability. Let's look at Draft:Moritake Kimura as an example. Almost all of its meat is in the section "Biography", and almost all of this section lacks any specific reference. One or two facts are sourced to what's described as 大いなる知床 北海道新聞 [Great Shiretoko Hokkaido Shinbun]. History of Damage in Hokkaido.. The description itself is obscure. A better arrangement of what it says: 大いなる知床 [Great Shiretoko], 北海道新聞 [Hokkaidō Shinbun]., though this is clearly inadequate (Hokkaidō Shinbun is a newspaper, so which date?) and obscure the cited web page nowhere mentions 大いなる知床, and instead collects a miscellany of other sources (each of which is described only sketchily); it's part of a website titled 大いなる知床, which would normally be read 'Ōinaru Shiretoko ("great Shiretoko") but instead is clearly labeled as having the reading Ōinaru shirietoku (something of a pun, an explanation of which would be laborious for both of us). And so: in your place I'd start by demanding one or more specific source for each paragraph, checking to the best of your ability that each cited source is reliable and says what it's presented as saying, deleting paragraphs that remain unreferenced, and judging the notability of what remains. -- Hoary (talk) 23:35, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary Thank you for your advice. When I translated Muramatu's article I purposely omitted the blood type for that same reason, but it seems the IP added it later. I've decided to leave the articles to them for a variety of reasons, but this is nonetheless helpful. ayakanaa ( t · c ) 23:58, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Ayakanaa, most unfortunately, a high percentage of ja:WP articles are junk. (I suppose we should be grateful that this draft lacks mention of its subject's surī-saizu and weight.) Anyway, you might be interested in Draft talk:Mika Muramatsu. -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Celebrity Photos

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia editing and am wondering how to find recent photos on the internet that are ok for use on Wikipedia? I wanted to update some photos on a tennis player's page, but the selection available on Wikimedia Commons is very limited. Does Wikimedia Commons automatically find any images that are free to use, or do editors upload licence-free photos there?

Is there a way to see the eligibility of any photo on the internet?

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks.

Throwing Muses (talk) 22:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Throwing Muses Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unless an image has a copyright that is clearly stated to be compatible with Wikipedia's copyright, the copyright must be assumed to be incompatible. Most random images on the internet are incompatible with Wikipedia. Publicity photos might possibly have an appropriate copyright, but you can't assume.

I don't think anything about Commons is automatic. 331dot (talk) 23:06, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks. How could I find out the copyright/licence of a photo? Throwing Muses (talk) 23:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

If it's on a website, it would be the copyright of the website; most websites are "all rights reserved", either explicitly or because no specific other copyright is given. It's possible that a particular image on a website might be made available with a different copyright, but this would need to be explicitly stated with the image. 331dot (talk) 01:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Throwing Muses You asked: "Is there a way to see the eligibility of any photo on the internet?" If you go to Google Images, it's possible to use the Tools to select images with a Creative Commons licence and to view only those. However, be aware that only certain types of Creative Commons Licences are compatible with Commons and with Wikipedia. They absolutely must be licenced for "Commercial Re-use" before you ever think about uploading them.

Another sources is Flickr. Again, you must check the image is correctly licenced. Unfortunately the default is always 'Copyright' and few users even realise there's an option to change it. If you find one that an amateur photographer has taken, but which they've licenced as 'copyright', you could always try contacting them directly and asking them to change it on Flickr (or to upload it to Commons themselves). It's a long shot, but I have found it worked for me with one or two wildlife images I wanted to reuse. Having explained my purpose, the image owner was happy to change the licencing.

But be aware we do take copyright very seriously here, and repeated breaches of uploading incorrectly licenced images would quickly get one blocked from editing. The upload process would involve you declaring that the image was not your, but then pointing to the url where one of our 'backroom folks' can check the authenticity and suitability of the published licence, and effectively mark it as 'checked'. So, even if it were to be changed later by the photographer, we wouldn't have to worry as it have been previously released under the right licence at the time ... and there's no going back on that!

Does that help? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Nick, yes that's very helpful. Where should i upload images, and do I get notified once they've been checked? Throwing Muses (talk) 00:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Throwing Muses: I enjoy using the Wikipedia:File upload wizard. GoingBatty (talk) 01:25, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

COI

Hello all Respected Wikipedians im here back with one more new Question I work as an spot boy in the Hindi and Marathi film industry, due to which I know many of the artists of the Hindi and Marathi film industry and their cast and crew very well, that why I have writen about them on Wikipedia.But for this I do not take any money from anyone, whenever I have time, I contribute it to Wikipedia.So does this come under WP:COI? Rajmama (talk) 10:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Rajmama, and welcome to the Teahouse. Having a Conflict of Interest through knowing someone is nothing to be ashamed of, but for the sake of openesss, it should be declared. So, yes, is the answer to your question, but please don't let that stop you! Textual content you add still needs to be sourced from properly published media, and not from things you "happen to know" or get told by them. If it cannot be Verified from a Reliable Source that someone else can check from the other side of the world, then it really should not go on Wikipedia at all.

If you make a small edit, you could simple include a COI note in your Edit Summary (e.g. "COI note: I do know this person but have only added neutral content based on published sources") If you are thinking of making many larger sets of edits about a notable actor, you should follow the instructions at WP:COI and add a COI template to your userpage linking to that article.

Have you considered the great position you are in to take and upload some stunning photos of your own of these actors to Wikimedia Commons? That is not a conflict of interest at all, yet could be incredibly helpful where an article has no suitable image.

Does this response address your concerns? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nick MoyesIf I use that COI template in my user page, it will not mean that I am a paid contributor? Rajmama (talk) 18:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama No, it doesn't automatically mean that. If I chose to write an article about my (famous and notable) next door neighbour, I would have a WP:COI because we know each other well, and I might only select sources that put him in a good light. I would not be being paid, though. If I wrote about my workplace (even in my own time) I would definitely have a COI, and I guess I am taking a salary so I am being paid. Even paid editing is permitted if it is declared. However undeclared paid editing is forbidden and editors get blocked when they are found out. So openness is the key, I would suggest. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

One more thing I created a draft Sangramsingh Thakur some months ago, and it had declined three times because of sources, but I added proper sources and moved to Article Space, but CNMALL41 nominated this article for deletion. but I'm told to remove it from the article to draft space instead of deletion. So let me know it is possible to remove the article to draft space instead of deletion. Rajmama (talk) 19:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I hope it's not supposed to be a secret, but there's nothing to prevent you from doing a copy and paste the wikitext of a draft to a text file on your computer, so that you'll still have it even if the draft gets deleted. So far as I am aware, there's no rule against coming back a year later and working on improving it, so you don't have to start from scratch. You never know when something might happen that you get distracted, and the 6 months pass by and then you have to start from scratch, so save your draft in a local file or someplace else that it won't get lost, and that should let you sleep easier at night. Fabrickator (talk) 08:49, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

thank you @Fabrickator I have shifted the article to Article space to draft space. Rajmama (talk) 11:02, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thank you for your response n such a information.This will be very helpful for me. Rajmama (talk) 10:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama:, Unfortunately, you moved a page that was under a deletion discussion. This is NOT the advice you were given. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Chocolate userbox

I’m trying to put User:Argyriou/userboxen/chocoholic on my userpage, but it’s not working. Can someone please help? I saw it on the list of dessert userboxes. Shadestar474 (talk) 02:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse @Shadestar474! The reason for why it wasn't working is because there were nowiki tags around the userbox template, causing it to show up just as text rather than a template. I have fixed this issue for you, I hope this helps! Kline • talk to me! • contribs 02:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Shadestar474 (talk) 02:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Shadestar474. I too love chicken tenders, seafood and chocolate. But this is a project to build an encyclopedia, and focusing on sharing our personal culinary preferences is a diversion from our goal. This is not a social media site. You have only ten edits to date. Are you planning to get to work on improving the encyclopedia? Cullen328 (talk) 02:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I did get a little carried away there. I’ll stick to editing the articles in the GOCE backlogs. (I just made my account, I’ve edited a few articles from the backlogs under my IP address.) Shadestar474 (talk) 04:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I apparently made random edits that are not helpful

How do I prevent those random edits? according to other users, I "typed" in "You must say Hail Kevin", "It will cause the death of 101 and 104" and "monkey balls". Could malware be a cause for this? Schrodiskitten (talk) 01:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Schrodiskitten, I'm not seeing any edits from your account other than this one here. Are you referring perhaps to your IP address? If users edit Wikipedia while not logged into their account, it will be attributed to their IP address. Since IP addresses change from time to time, different people can end up using the same IP address, so if you're editing from an IP you may see messages relating to someone else's edits. You can work around that by using an account. Does this help? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 02:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

it was before i created this account, i suspect its the shared ip adresses Schrodiskitten (talk) 04:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

This is just one of many reasons why editing Wikipedia from an account is preferable to editing from an IP address. When editing from an account, nobody can possibly confuse your good faith edits with possible vandalism or ranting and raving by somebody sharing your IP address. Cullen328 (talk) 06:20, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Schrodiskitten: See also Wikipedia:Why create an account? GoingBatty (talk) 12:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Question

How do I add templates on top of an article? Geko72290 (talk) 01:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Geko72290: If you're using the VisualEditor, click "Edit", click at the top of the article, then click Insert > Template, and follow the prompts. If you're using the source editor, click "Edit source", click at the top of the article, type the template information, preview your change to make sure the template displays properly, and then click "Publish changes". GoingBatty (talk) 01:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Geko72290 If you are referring to the type of template that highlights inadequacies in an article (e.g. lack of inline citations, conflict of interest editing etc), then you may wish to enable WP:TWINKLE via your Preference settings. This adds extra menu buttons to help automate common processes such as these. Follow that link for more details. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Geko72290 (talk) 14:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

چرایی

چرا انسان ها بجای کمک بیکدیگر همدیگررا می کشند Nm285285 (talk) 12:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Google translation: Why do people kill each other instead of helping each other? --ColinFine (talk) 14:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 13:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nm285285. This is a place for asking for help with editing Wikipedia, not for general questions. But you might want to read Conflict continuum. ColinFine (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Reference vs Sources

Whats the difference between a reference and sources when editing. 🤔🤔🤔 I have no clue ! MrBeastRapper (talk) 14:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

"A citation, also called a reference, uniquely identifies a source of information."

The thing is though, that many of us Wikipedians often use these words to mean pretty much the same thing. I tend to think of citation as the little numbered hyperlink in article text, reference as the info in the reference section, and source as the actual book/article/whatever. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:07, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Userbox issues

How do I insert userboxes without them displaying "|linked pages|- style="margin:0;padding:0;" |align=left|{{insert userbox}}|align=center|" or similar to the right of my userboxes, like on my my user page? Thank you. A westman (talk) 16:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixed: To correctly insert userboxes, insert the text {{Userbox name}} instead of the {{yy||userbox name}} you had before. See this diff as an example. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 16:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Can some experienced editor here help me to review my article?

I've written an article on "Freelance Marketplaces for Beginners" and need your expert review to ensure it complies with Wikipedia's guidelines. I aim to contribute positively and wish to avoid any issues. Your feedback on neutrality, sourcing, and formatting would be invaluable. Can I share the draft with you for review?

Best regards,

Aqsa Shabbir Aqsa Shabbir (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Aqsa Shabbir An earlier attempt - Freelance Marketplaces for Beginners to Find Remote Jobs - was G11 Speedy deleted. Aqsa Shabbir has not shared a new draft with the above title. The proper path is to create a draft with references using the WP:YFA process. Subnmitting that for review would allow a reviewer with an interest in marketplaces to decide to review it. Also, do not ask at Help and Teahouse, as that is a waste of editors' time. David notMD (talk) 17:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay sir, I'll try to follow your guidelines and Thank you for your time. Aqsa Shabbir (talk) 17:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Aqsa Shabbir Please do not try to create another article about that topic! You would be totally wasting your time as I can assure you it would not be acceptable for Wikipedia. We already have an encyclopaedia entry called Freelancer, and you are very welcome to improve that article. However you may not attempt to use it to promote, advertise or promote your knowledge or advertise, and provided you cite Reliable Sources and do not add content from your own experience or perspective. Your approach to what you wanted to share was quite wrong.

Please read this Policy to appreciate that Wikipedia is NOT an instruction manual or guide on how to do stuff. Your draft was clearly either an essay or a guide, but is not in itself a notable topic. I appreciate your keenness to share your wisdom and links to various services, but I would urge you to do so on another platform instead, or find alternative notable subjects to work on here.

Please also refrain from asking the same question at different help venues. This wastes editors' valuable time. We are all volunteers here. In future, please wait at least 24 hours after posting a request for assistance, and finding you haven't had a reply, before you even consider asking somewhere else. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:20, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Sure sir, Thank you for your advice. You are really nice. Aqsa Shabbir (talk) 16:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Is my text to close to the source I used?

Hi there, I recently wrote the text on the article for Charles I of Austria in the Beatification section concerning the miracle that led to his beatification. I have a feeling my text is too close to my source. Could someone take a look at my text and the source, and if indeed there are problems with my text tell me how I can improve it? Thanks in advance. Mousieplousie (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mousieplousie That article has 190 page watchers, most of whom won't be looking at the Teahouse page. Hence it would be better for you to post your question on the Talk Page at Talk:Charles I of Austria. Be aware that someone may revert your addition: part of our WP:BRD process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Need help updating a page!

The page on the union-closed sets conjecture states that the conjecture is known to be true for families of at most 46 sets and families where the union has at most 11 elements. Zivkovic & Vuckovic's results in 2012 raised the latter bound to 12, and due to earlier results this also means that the former bound must be at least 50. I think the page should be edited to reflect this new information, but I am absolutely hopeless at citing sources on wikipedia and am afraid that I will bodge the edit. Some guidance would be much appreciated! Guyy8fh (talk) 05:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Guyy8fh. You are discussing an advanced mathematics topic, and only a tiny percentage of Teahouse hosts would have that sort of topic area expertise. Begin by discussing your concerns at Talk: Union-closed sets conjecture. If no one responds there, you can reach out to editors currently active at WP:WikiProject Mathematics or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics. Those are the best places to seek input from editors more competent in mathematics than I am. Cullen328 (talk) 06:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

The Talk page of the article gets only about 10 views per month, so unlikely you will get a timely response there. David notMD (talk) 09:18, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Guyy8fh: You cold also bring it up at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics although that's more for asking questions about, and getting help with, mathematics. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Green Archer mortar locating radar.

I have photographs of the towed Green Archer and silenced generator. How do I include them in the article? 86.178.202.73 (talk) 17:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. First, establish that the image meets is usable on the English Wikipedia. After that, you can try requesting a file upload at this page. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Additionally, if you make an account, you can upload the images to Wikimedia Commons if they are freely licensed and/or are your own work. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 18:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Able to edit from Windows laptop but not from iPad?

When I edit from my Windows laptop I am able to edit as normal. But when I switch to my iPad it's saying that it's blocked. Anything I should do to edit from the iPad? I am using them both on the same network. MaximumCruiser2 🚢 (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @MaximumCruiser2; my tablet is Android but I have similar problems because the Visual Editor is not designed for tablets. It isn't blocked for me, but it works poorly. When editing with the tablet, I switch from Desktop View (at the bottom of the page) to Mobile View. This also brings in the Source Editor which is inconvenient for some purposes but I guess it will have to work this way until the software is improved. This is why I, too, do most my editing on the Windows laptop. Far as I know, it seems to be difficult to make editing software for tablets that's able to work well with Wikipedia features. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:05, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@MaximumCruiser2: Welcome to the Teahouse! Have you tried logging out of the iPad and logging back in? GoingBatty (talk) 15:05, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@MaximumCruiser2 ... and have you tried accessing Wikipedia on a different browser, or ensured you were already logged in before trying to edit Wikipedia? If you aren't logged in when editing, then either your own IP address, or that of any VPN your browser might use, could also be blocked. Perhaps you could specify exactly what the message states, and at what point in the logging on/editing process you saw it? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Nick Moyes, what I noticed now is that in Safari, I saw "there are multiple blocks against your IP address" in chrome and Wikipedia app everything is OK and no block appears. I guess if I edit from iPad I will just use the app then. Thanks! MaximumCruiser2 🚢 (talk) 23:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@MaximumCruiser2 If you wanted to send a private email to me with your IP address I could look in to the background of any blocks (as I have admin rights). It could be an opportunity for us both to gain more understanding of Wikipedia:IP block exemption, which may well be relevant here. (I tend not to reply by email, but would probably use your talk page. However, I undertake not to reveal any information that would reveal your IP address there.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Nick Moyes, I saw a later question here about a similar issue. Turns out it was iCloud private relay. Fixed completely now. I will turn that off when I edit Wikipedia from iPad. MaximumCruiser2 🚢 (talk) 20:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@MaximumCruiser2 I'm not familiar with ' iCloud private relay', but if it's acting as a VPN then I can imagine that being the cause of the problem. Glad you got it solved (and for letting me know). Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Morad Tahbaz source

Hi, I'm trying to do research and a passage in Morad Tahbaz's wiki page concerning the results of an Iranian Presidential Commission doesn't have a source. If it is true, this would be incredibly useful, but I can't find any evidence of this by myself. I'm not sure if I'm missing the wood for the trees here, but any help would be appreciated!

Morad Tahbaz Studyingtbh (talk) 15:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Studyingtbh, and welcome to the Teahouse. That paragraph was added on 2022-07-28 by Adi4dada1 who has only ever made two edits, both to that article on that day. I'm afraid that does make the claim suspect. If you can't find any evidence, I would suggest removing the paragraph, and also asking on Adi4dada1 for a source (either on their talk page, or pinging them on the article's talk page). I wouldn't be too hopeful of a reply, though. ColinFine (talk) 16:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine Does this mean that @Adi4dada1 has a possible conflict of interest? Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 19:49, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Who knows? Somebody creates an account, edits an article to remove what looks like vandalism (and probably intended to be scurrilous), and then adds an unsourced favourable paragraph to the same article (which another editor has now tried and failed to find any evidence for), and thereafter makes no other edits, anywhere. Maybe it's COI. Maybe it's just partisan. Maybe the added paragraph is genuine, but nobody's looked in the right places. ColinFine (talk) 21:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

How to edit page with COI

I need to learn how to edit my famous brothers page. Answers.com acknowledges my existence Wikipedia doesn't. I have and hold our common mothers drivers license since she died 30 yrs ago . Mickey never had contact with any family to any degree and I cam count the xxx I've seen him on my fingers...to my knowledge he had little contact with his non existent fathers sons either. Less than ne. I'm 60 we have the same mother Leah 9 21 22 was her birthday. Mickeys is 9 11 43 mive is 2 7 63 I am his damn sister! Look it up on abswers.com how do I get it on here too please help me! Mustangtamer (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

• Added section title. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Please verify that your brother is notable, and declare your relationship with your brother per the conflict of interest guideline. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 17:07, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Davest3r08, Mickey Hart has a fairly good claim to notability. 57.140.16.12 (talk) 18:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I was just asking them to do their due diligence before doing any edits related to their brother. However, I thank you for informing me of the person's notability. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 18:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mustangtamer, I assume this is about Wikipedia's article on Mickey Hart? All articles have talk pages - in this case, it is at Talk:Mickey Hart. Since you have a conflict of interest, please do not edit the article directly; you can make an edit request using {{edit COI}} or the Edit request wizard. However, you will need to provide some kind of reliable, published source to back up your information and to demonstrate why this information is significant enough to be added to the article. 57.140.16.12 (talk) 18:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mustangtamer: You ask how to edit a page with COI. Basically you don't. You can make minor corrections to spelling, grammar, names, dates, etc. You can revert obvious vandalism. And you can add citations to reliable sources that are independent of your brother. But anything more substantive, you should propose the change on the article's talk page for other editors to review. You can preface your proposal with the template {{Edit COI}} to cause your request to be listed on a category page that is monitored by some editors. Your proposal should be in the form "change X to Y" or "add X after Y" or "delete X", and you must include your reasoning and citations to reliable sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I am hazarding a guess that you want to be acknowledged as his half-sister in the Personal life section, much as it acknowledges Jerry Hart as a half-brother. You will need to provide a published ref to verify that. Your mother's drivers license does not count as a reference. David notMD (talk) 22:50, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Need help finding sources to get my first article approved

My first article is about Gil Vega, who was a famous musician and orchestra director in Costa Rica in from the 1950s - 1970s. However, given that it was so long ago, I'm having a hard time finding enough references in publications. Even though he was mentioned in at least one modern news website and a few university text books, my first draft of the wikipedia page was rejected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gil_Vega

Full disclosure: I am the grandson of Gil Vega, who the page is about. I never met him, but I've found what I can while learning about my family history. I bought a few of his vinyl records. He was a legit recording artist back in the day. HyperTribal (talk) 21:21, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, HypertTribal, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for declaring your COI. That does not bar you from creating a draft, though once it has been accepted as an article you shouldn't edit it directly.

Sources need to have been reliably published, but they don't have to be available online. If you can find an archive of newspapers from Costa Rica at the time (perhaps at the national library?) you could look for sources there. ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello HyperTribal, as ColinFine stated reliable references don't need to be online. Did anyone in your family save newspaper articles about your grandfather? Does his hometown or school have an archive of information on notable people? You may want to do some simple editing of your draft in order to have work done within the six-month period, so the draft is not deleted, then take your time and look for good references. Best wishes on your efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:52, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! HyperTribal (talk) 22:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! HyperTribal (talk) 22:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Alternatives to the Wayback Machine for archiving links?

Until about late last year, I used Wayback Machine for link archiving, but became frustrated with their slow speed and frequent down times. I switched to Megalodon.jp, which was super-fast and dependable. That changed around June, when suddenly it would not permit me to archive most of the links I submitted. I've used Archive Today and Wayback Machine again, but as I said they are slow and the latter tends to have periods of downtime or high traffic which render it unusable for hours (as has been the case for me today). Are there any other trustworthy alternative for archiving? I wish I had something as fast as Megalodon.jp again, but that might be asking for too much. Thank you all for your help. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:52, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @CurryTime7-24! A decent alternative would be archive.today: you can find a guide to using it on Wikipedia here. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 20:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Davest3r08, I think the user mentions they've tried archive.today in their question's body.

@CurryTime7-24, you could try looking for an archive at WP:WEBARCHIVES but I'm not sure if any of the archives are superior to web archive. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 20:28, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Oops, must have read too fast. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 20:56, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: you could try ghostarchive.org but that's probably not faster. TipsyElephant (talk) 00:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for all your help! :) — CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

How to change an obviously biased article?

I understand that perfect neutrality is impossible, but when editors like me try to nudge certain clearly slanted pages toward neutrality, our edits are — if the page is important — simply reverted. They're not modified. Appropriate or usable bits aren't kept. There's no respect or consideration, just an assumption of malice and total reversal of the article — "be bold" really comes with a big asterisk: Unless you have the slightest ideological or political disagreement with the lean of the article and try and move it forward more balance, even just towards neutrality — then all edits by you, even the most banal, will be deleted in bulk, you slapped with sanctions or a total block if you argue (and that's after we get done condescending to you).

It's just… So incredibly frustrating. As soon as your politics are detectable as somewhat dissident from whatever the Wikipedia vibe is, you're just persona-non-grata and an idiot to be dismissed and buried with red-tape excuses.

Like even here, I feel certain this question won't be taken in good faith at all. I'm even worried about getting blocked for asking it. But I'll have enough good faith to post it anyway and see what happens.

It's just so tempting to give up. To effectively block myself. To simply refrain from improving any of the most important articles, stick to adding a few commas here and there on more trivial matters.

I know Wikipedia doesn't want to be this way. It doesn't want to be a space where new editors are hazed. And it definitely doesn't want to be an ideological echo chamber.

Help!

Help me help you not continue to become one. Destrylevigriffith (talk) 18:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Destrylevigriffith. I recommend that you refrain from ranting and axe-grinding and POV pushing, and instead focus on discussing actual, specific reliable sources and how to best summarize what they say. Also, write more concisely. Do not waste people's time with endless philosophizing and speculating. Get to the point. Cullen328 (talk) 18:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Destrylevigriffith You would need to give WP:DIFFS to demonstrate your genuine concerns if you expect a response to the above statement. Thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Destrylevigriffith.

There is obvious bias goin on, even if you base your argument on reliable resources, and it is neutral.

This is dangerous, don't we all want to serve the goal of providing accurate information? 77.137.71.188 (talk) 13:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

That's not our goal; the goal of Wikipedia is to summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. See WP:TRUTH. 331dot (talk) 13:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

If the reliable sources on contentious articles tend to be at odds with your beliefs, that may be a sign to look inwards and reconsider your values, rather than assume bad faith from the majority of other users. 192.77.12.11 (talk) 03:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Concern about paid editing of a page

I have noticed that an account which self-declares to belong to an employee of Pershing Square Capital Management regularly adds, in exchange for payment, requests to the Talk:Bill Ackman page of Bill Ackman who is the CEO of the hedge fund. In an attempt to respect Wikipedia policy, the account adds requests to the talk page which are regularly fulfilled by a single user. Until recently, the requests have concerned minor details. As Ackman has recently been subject to criticism for political activities, an editor has added a "Controversies" section to the page, describing the nature of the political activities. I have personally edited the page to increase neutrality, add context, and included sources which were previously missing. Recently, the PSCM-hired editor has requested that the controversy section be entirely removed or edited to be more favorable to Ackman. The PCSM-hired editor explicitly requested that the account which has previously fulfilled the requests fulfill this one as well. I recommended looking at the edit history for the page as well as the Talk topic titled "Recent additions". I am hoping that more senior editors may have some input on what Wikipedia policies may apply to this potentially-unethical situation. Magenta.lily (talk) 03:39, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Magenta.lily. You can find some more information about COI and paid editing at WP:COI and WP:PAID, respectively. Neither editing is expressly prohibitted by Wikipedia policy, but they are highly discouraged because they can sometimes lead to other serious problems. A "paid editor", however, is required to declare their paid status per WP:UPE in accordance with the Wikimedia foundation's wmf:Terms of use. As long as they do that and otherwise follow the guidance given for paid editing, they are not really doing anything wrong. You of course (assuming that your not connected to the subject matter yourself) are free to be WP:BOLD and edit the article so that it's in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. If some one disagrees with your edits (even if its a paid editor), follow WP:DR and try to resolve things on the article's talk page. If you find a one to one discussion is going nowhere, you can seek further asistance at WP:3O, WP:COIN or WP:BLPN (pick one). If the paid editor's behavior starts to become truly problematic, you can seek administrator assistance at WP:ANI; however, I suggest going to ANI as a last resort and only when the paid editor has clearly gone past the boundaries of what would generally be considered acceptable editor behavior. The thing you want to avoid is seeing fire where there's no smoke and automatically assuming the worst w.r.t the paid editor; as long as they continue to engage in good faith, you should do so too and not just totally discount any concerns they might be raising. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding an article to a WikiProject?

Are there formal procedures or best practices for adding an article to a WikiProject? Is it as simple as adding the appropriate template to the article's talk page?

Specifically, I'm looking at adding Biologics for immunosuppression to Category:WikiProject Pharmacology articles and Category:All WikiProject Medicine articles, inspired by Biopharmaceutical.

Kimen8 (talk) 23:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

You should install the User:Evad37/rater.js script which will allow you to easily add WikiProject tags and ratings. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 00:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't realize the article was already in those categories (according to the Talk page). Does inclusion of an article in a particular category sometimes automatically add that article to a relevant WikiProject? Kimen8 (talk) 00:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Kimen8. I'm pretty sure it's the other way round. Adding (eg) {{WikiProject Pharmacology}} to the talk page automatically puts the talk page into Category:WikiProject Pharmacology articles, and other categories according to its importance and rating. ColinFine (talk) 08:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Blocking from user access

................... Recently I received the following possible explanation of my Wikipedia account being blocked for some years

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 at 14:17, Graham Pearce <...............> wrote: Hi Terry,

         I assume you got caught up in one of my wide rangeblocks intended to 
         catch extremely pernicious vandals, which unfortunately affect            innocent 
         users too. I'd be curious about what the block message          actually said ... 
         please copy-and-paste it if you can.

I would like to know how this came about and whether the wide ranging blocking had the appropriate authority. Tsrwright (talk) 01:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

This Wikipedia account Tsrwright has never been blocked, and the message above has never appeared on the user Talk page associated with it. I can only assume that the block you refer to pertained to an IP address you used at one time. We cannot see what IP addresses you may have used in the past, so we cannot determine when or why that IP address might have been blocked. However, you can be confident that the block was performed by an admin who had "the appropriate authority", as no admin without that authority has the ability to perform a rangeblock. General Ization ^Talk 01:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

My access was blocked for some years,four, maybe five, I am not sure. The message above was in an email to me from a Wikipedia administrator. I am not aware that at any time in recent years has my ip address changed. Just thought you should be aware of the strange circumstances which were recently righted somehow. Tsrwright (talk) 01:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

No block has been applied to Tsrwright at any time since it was created in 2015, as you may see for yourself. As I said, without knowing what IP address(es) you may have used in the past, we cannot advise you if or why it may have been blocked. General Ization ^Talk 01:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tsrwright. Many (perhaps most, nowadays) internet connections are on dynamic IP addresses, which may change without the user being aware of them. ColinFine (talk) 08:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Novice problem revising a paragraph - Talk page closed

I noticed a minor typo in an existing page and fixed it. The article is about Taylor Swift's song Karma, and the section is about its music video. Then I noticed the same paragraph needed some major revision, including adding a reference, but I only got partway before realizing I was over my head (senior moment). I tried going to its Talk page for help, but it seems to be closed. I humbly abase myself before whoever can help me put the correct reference in, and promise to stick to minor edits until my head clears. BTW I was using the text-based system on a desktop, because I haven't learned VisualEditor. Cwilsyn (talk) 02:23, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cwilsyn: Talk:Karma_(Taylor_Swift_song) seems fine to me. The GA review is closed, but you can start a new section to start a discussion on the paragraph you think needs editing. RudolfRed (talk) 02:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I did try doing that, but wasn't able to start anything new under the GA review. Cwilsyn (talk) 02:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Look for the "Add Topic" button at the top of the talk page, that will allow you to make a new topic outside the bounds of the GA Review. 192.77.12.11 (talk) 07:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Please don't simply undo to the earlier version, because I spent a lot of time polishing the revision. I'll do whatever you want; my main worry is getting that reference in. Thank you. Cwilsyn (talk) 02:31, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cwilsyn. With rare exceptions (which involve an admin deliberately suppressing it), everything in an article's history is still there and can be recovered easily; so you never need worry about your work being lost. ColinFine (talk) 08:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to add a fragment of a book cover to an article about a poet?

My question is about https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steliana_Grama - someone added a photo of the poet to the infobox, but it was subsequently removed because the image was non-free.

I believe it would add value to the page if a photo of the person were there. I scanned several covers of her books, some feature her photograph. Would it be acceptable to crop a scan and use the photo in the infobox?

My interpretation of the rules is that it is not allowed, because after an online search I failed to find evidence that would indicate a status other than "the book covers are copyrighted by the publishers". I want to double-check if my conclusion is correct. Maybe there are some quirks that might apply (e.g., might be okay if the resolution is limited to X*Y, or if the cover is included entirely - so it goes in as "book cover" rather than as "photo of the author"). Gr8dude (talk) 07:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Gr8dude. If you're questions is about adding an image to an article on Romainian Wikipedia, then there's not really much any one can do here other than to tell you that you will need to sort that out on Romanian Wikipedia. Each local Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines established by its own community. Since English Wikipedia came first, has the most articles and has the largest community of editors, many of the other Wikipedias have based their policies entirely or somewhat on English Wikipedia's, but there might also be some important differences. Image usage policy, in particular, can vary quite a bit and some local projects allow no non-free images at all. According to meta:Non-free content, Romanian Wikipedia does allow non-free image and its policy is similar to English Wikipedia's non-free content use policy, but once again you will need to figure out why the file was removed by discussing things on Romanian Wikipedia and then what, if anything, is needed for such an image to be added to the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick feedback.

In case someone else is looking for it, the Teahouse equivalent is "Cefenea" https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cafenea Gr8dude (talk) 09:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

uploading photo - is it free or non-free?

I want to use a photo of someone who is the subject of a Wikipedia page that I'm creating. The photo is from a university faculty profile website. I contacted the photographer and was told the photo was okay for my intended use. The photographer provided credit information (e.g., Jane Smith, UT photographer - 2018 photo). If this credit info is required where does it go in an infobox?

The copyright info, distinction between free and non-free, and criteria for use is awfully dense to me. Maybe I'm overthinking this?

I could really use concrete advice here; the photo use in my Wikipedia page infobox is the only thing remaining before I launch for review. Thanks Co1umbus (talk) 22:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Co1umbus, I can't advise you on the copyright status of the photo. You might do better asking at Wikimedia Commons. But the absence of a picture will have no effect on whether Draft:Carol A. Mullen is accepted when you submit it for review. The absence of any independent sources discussing the subject, however, will cause it to be declined. All 23 references appear to be to the subject's own work. You should address that rather than worrying about a picture. Maproom (talk) 23:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Co1umbus: A "free" photo for Wikipedia's purposes is one that is no longer encumbered by any type of copyright restrictions (e.g. is considered to be within the public domain) or has been otherwise released by its copyright holder under a license that satsifies Wikipedia:Copyright#Guidelines for images and other media files and c:Commons:Licensing; everything else is going to be assumed to be "non-free". In addition, since the copyright holder of a photo is generally considered to be held by the photographer who takes it, Wikipedia is going to need some formal way of verifying the copyright holder's consent in order tor the photo to be OK to upload and use. Verbal consent given to you by the copyright holder is insufficient for Wikipedia's purposes. Receiving permission to use a photo on Wikipedia only or for non-commercial (educational) purposes only is also insufficient for Wikipedia's purposes. Bascially, the copyright holder is agreeing to release the photo under a license that allows anyone anywhere in the world to download the photo at anytime and reuse for any purpose with very minimal restrictions (e.g. attribution) in place. In other words, the copyright holder retains their copyright ownership over the photo, but agrees to make a version of it "freely" available for others to use as they please. Since this means giving up quite a bit of control over one's creative work, there needs to be either some way of verifying the copyright holder's consent online or in a print publication, or the copyright holder will need to send a WP:CONSENT email to Wikimedia VRT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

In many circumstances unless the 'author' is named in a publication the copyright is assumed to be that of the publisher and copyright expires a certain time after publication NOT after the death of the author. It is of course more complicated but I think this is an important point in assessing copyright expiry which is often overlooked. Tsrwright (talk) 02:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I would say in "some" circumstances as opposed to "many". It's true that many countries has p.m.a types of requirements in their respective copyright laws, but these tend to only be relevant when the author is known and their date of death is known. This kind of work, however, is considered to be within the public domain, which I breifly mentioned above, and p.m.a. doesn't really seem relevant to the type of photo the OP is asking about. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Co1umbus, the problems pointed out by Maproom are perhaps epitomized in (I quote) Mullen is an originator of alternative mentoring theory,^{[5][6][7][8][9]} a typology of multifaceted, developmental forms.^[10][11][12], which seems to boil down to asserting that she's an originator of a theory, or a typology, because she says so. That's not good enough. Which reliable sources independent of Mullen have attributed alternative mentoring theory to her? Incidentally, I'd have thought that something called a theory has to be more than a mere typology. Is the meaning perhaps Mullen has originated several alternative methods of mentoring? NB if it is, then this too would need referencing to one or more reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 00:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy reply, Hoary. I understand what you're saying about the need for authoritative references that acknowledges Mullen as an originator of various mentoring modalities. In general, academics--even world class ones--don't garner much public attribution. But what top scholars DO receive is acceptance of their works in top-tier journals that are extensively cited by other senior academics. Mullen has plenty of these plus numerous professional awards and the highest national-level leadership roles in Mullen's discipline. Shouldn't this deserve consideration as notability? Co1umbus (talk) 02:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Co1umbus, perhaps it should. (For whether it does, see Wikipedia:Notability (academics).) And it's true that the vast majority of even notable academics are unknown to the public, even to that section of "the public" who read news websites that aren't entirely devoted to sports, whingeing "opinion" columns, "human interest" stories, and celeb tittle-tattle. Yet I'd expect there to be useful independent sources. Are there no relevant "literature review" articles in the academic journals? How about acknowledgements in books by others that this or that insight (or debunking or whatever) has been largely or wholly thanks to Mullen? -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Your draft is a mess. Remove all hyperlinks. Reference properly. See these examples for articles about Wikipedia-notable faculty and Virginia Tech for how to craft a draft. Notable current and former faculty at Virginia Tech include Romesh Batra (biomedical engineering), Patricia Dove (geosciences), Marc Edwards (civil and environmental engineering), Roger Ekirch (history), Nikki Giovanni (English), Michael Hochella (geosciences), Liviu Librescu (engineering science and mechanics), Tim Luke (political science), Linsey Marr (civil and environmental engineering), Xiang-Jin Meng (virology), Arun Phadke (electrical engineering), James Robertson (history), Arthur Squires (chemical engineering), James Thorp (electrical engineering), John Tyson (biology), and Gary Wamsley (public administration). David notMD (talk) 03:11, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Er, no. It's not necessary to remove all hyperlinks. Rather, remove from the body text all hyperlinks to websites other than Wikipedia. For example, in "Academic awards from the International Council of Professors of Educational Leadership (ICPEL), ...." By contrast, you're free to leave the hyperlinks in "University Council for Educational Administration (UCEA), University of Toronto, and Virginia Tech". -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Reusing my deleted content

Please my article was deleted because of wrong editing, if I want to reuse my content most especially my company name for a better edit hope it will not affect or being reject again? Yahayakabir (talk) 08:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

(Blocked.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

My edit of "Winds aloft" has been pulled TWICE by Mechanicalscientist...

my edit that the winds aloft of the NWS being officially discontinued has been revoked multiple times by Materialscientist... I am unable to contact them directly. I know this change is correct as I am a pilot who was present at the discontinuance of it today, when they made the new website live. There is not article about it's discontinuance as the NWS only mentioned it in a reply to a Facebook user... I have been told my edits are vandalism... Black33beard (talk) 06:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Black33beard: The primary issue is not so much the content of your edit but rather where it was placed. Wikipedia articles do not make announcements – if you were to format your addition as encyclopedic information rather than an announcement and place it in a more appropriate location it would be far more likely to be retained. It's okay that the source is a Facebook post, so long as it came from the official account. Tollens (talk) 06:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Black33beard:, @Tollens: I would add that, if the forecast has been discontinued, the whole article will need recasting into the past tense. I notice also that the article has no cited references, and that one of the three items in the Reference section is to a 2016 document and another returns "404 Not Found", as does the single link in the External link section. A case could be made for deleting the entire article as uncited.

If such a presumably important utility were withdrawn, I would expect that fact to be announced prominently both by the National Weather Service itself (or an involved aviation authority) and also in widely read aviation bulletins and journals, any of which which would be better Reliable sources than an obscure Facebook post. Whichever is used, the withdrawal must be correctly cited to a reference based on a reliable source.

Which 'new website' you refer to? The link to the one in the NWS article linked above, which is https://www.weather.gov has not recently been amended.

Finally, You can easily contact @Materialscientist: (as you can any other User) by clicking on the "talk" link in their signature, and by replying to their message to you on your Talk page (which they will be monitoring). Hope this clarifies and helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.71.208.84 (talk) 10:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

IQBAL MOMAND

Any one from peshawar pakistan to help edit for publish my artical on IQBAL MOMAND IftikharAdezai (talk) 11:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. It doesn't matter where the editors are from. 331dot (talk) 11:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Problem with Cluebot Talk page archival

I attempted to add Cluebot3 archival to the Talk:Costco page, hoping that it would be able to integrate into the 2 archives that had been previously established. If Archive 3 does exist somewhere, there isn't a link to it on the Talk page because I used the code that doesn't include an Archive Box because the page already had one. I'm sure a revert would reinstate the talk page for proper archival, but I don't really know how to go about it, considering there were already two archived pages. 192.77.12.11 (talk) 07:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I've reverted your edit and the archiving, and added different code, so it should archive properly now. FYI, I've used the code from WP:AUTOARCHIVE. I've also tagged the incorrect archive for deletion. --rchard2scout (talk) 10:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do more research before attempting something that might conflict next time. 192.77.12.11 (talk) 11:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

harv-error

Dear fellow Wikipedians,

In page Hadley cell#Early explanations of the trade winds, {{sfn||Hide|1993|p=143}} wont link to source

• Hide, R.; Wolfendale, A.; Ronan, C.; Chapman, A.; Cook, A.; Hughes, D. W. (1993). "Edmond Halley - a commemoration". Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society. 34 (2): 135–148.

In Revision history, the edit had been tagged "harv-error". I have looked, but can't find a way to fix it. Thanks in advance for your help. The Cosmic Ocean (Please feel free to modify or undo any of my edits as deemed appropriate.) 07:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@The Cosmic Ocean: I've fixed the footnote; looks like it requires the first four authors (or all of them if there are less than four). Tollens (talk) 08:00, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll try to remember that for next time. The Cosmic Ocean (Please feel free to modify or undo any of my edits as deemed appropriate.) 17:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@The Cosmic Ocean:, you can use four authors if you want, but that seems like overkill for linking to a short footnote via template {{sfn}}. The way you coded it above as {{sfn|Hide|1993|p=143}} was fine; you just have to establish linkage by adding the |ref= parameter to the full citation in the "Sources" section, which I've done, in this edit. There's no difference to the rendered page, so it's not really an improvement per se in this one edit, but it will facilitate additional links to that source. See an explanation of |ref= here. Mathglot (talk) 07:30, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. The Cosmic Ocean (Please feel free to modify or undo any of my edits as deemed appropriate.) 13:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Lying in editing

Hi, on the Yom Kippur War article, there is an edit on October 13, 2023, at 07:36 by a user named The Great Mule of Eupatoria that added text to the result: "Partial Egyptian political victory". With a comment by the user for the edit:

(Mentioned in the source, Egypt saw some sort of victory unlike the lopsided wars of before and some vindication. Direct quotation from the citation: For most Egyptians the war is remembered as an unquestionable victory—militarily as well as politically ... The fact that the war ended with Israeli troops stationed in the outskirts of Cairo and in complete encirclement of the Egyptian third army has not dampened the jubilant commemoration of the war in Egypt." (p. 11) "Ultimately, the conflict...)

The book the user cited seems to be this one, page 6. But I don't see anything in it that clearly states or even implies that the result was objectively a partial Egyptian political victory. Here's a screenshot of the page: https://imgur.com/ZI2GQDI Modrenebe (talk) 13:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Modrenebe. This is something you should discuss on the talk page, Talk:Yom Kippur War. Note that since your account is not yet extended confirmed, you are very limited in what you can do in this topic area, and where you can discuss it. 57.140.16.12 (talk) 13:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I just did that. Are there no sanctions or blocks that will be imposed on users like that? I mean, aren't people like this dangerous if they are allowed to continue editing? Modrenebe (talk) 14:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Modrenebe, in this particular topic area, complaints can be lodged at WP:AE - Arbitration Enforcement. More generally, behavioral issues are dealt with at WP:ANI. But some discussion with the user is almost always expected first, and if you make accusations (such as calling folks liars) at either of those places, be sure to gather and present your evidence along with the accusations. 57.140.16.12 (talk) 14:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Everytime I edit my Wiki page, it soon gets reverted to the older version and hence the updates remain invisible.

None of the changes I've made to my Wiki page over the last two days are visible. Instead I am seeing the old page again. Sanjoynag (talk) 12:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not "your wiki page", but a Wikipedia article about you. That may change your mindset somewhat. You shouldn't edit the article directly in most cases, but you are welcome to propose edits in the form of edit requests on the talk page(Talk:Sanjoy Nag). 331dot (talk) 12:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Sanjoynag, let's consider just one of your (short-lived) additions to your Wikipedia article. (Like any Wikipedia article, this one is of course a page; and to say that it's yours no more implies that you possess it or have special rights over it than if you talked of your critics, your disappointment, your disagreement with somebody, your toothache, etc.) The addition: His feature film Yours Truly was premiered at the Busan International Film Festival 2018 and subsequently won the Best digital Feature Film award at the Dada Saheb Phalke Film Festival, Mumbai and is currently streaming on Zee5. He has recently debuted as an author with Mujhe Jaan Na Kaho Meri Jaan. Though you shouldn't have added it directly, you would have been (and still are) welcome to propose its addition on Talk:Sanjoy Nag. However, if I'd seen such a proposal there, I'd have declined it. Before accepting it, I'd want to be told: (i) the referent of "currently", (ii) the referent of "recently", (iii) reliable sources for the veracity of what's asserted here. -- Hoary (talk) 12:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

If and when I do get toothache, I'd rather talk to my dentist rather than posting it here!

As for the verified links you ask for pls find them here

Film maker Sanjoy Nag on his book Mujhe Jaan Na Kaho Meri Jaan | t2 Online

Yours Truly (2018 film) Sanjoynag (talk) 13:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello Sanjoynag. The link you have provided is to an interview. This is not acceptable as an independent source, as explained at Wikipedia:Interviews. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

https://www.amazon.in/Mujhe-Jaan-Na-Kaho-Meri/dp/9395697385/ref=sr_1_1?crid=26QH77TYCTTMU&keywords=mujhe+jaan+na+kaho+meri+jaan+redgrab&qid=1697548737&sprefix=mujhe+jaan+na+kaho%2Caps%2C211&sr=8-1 Sanjoynag (talk) 13:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Also the link pertaining to Yours Truly is a Wiki page Sanjoynag (talk) 13:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

An Amazon search is not a reliable source either, and neither is "a Wiki page". Please study WP:RS. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

https://www.biff.kr/eng/html/archive/arc_history_view.asp?pyear=2018&s1=&page=&m_idx=36923&kind=search Sanjoynag (talk) 13:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

https://www.biff.kr/eng/html/archive/arc_history_view.asp?pyear=2010&s1=&page=&m_idx=15121&kind=search

This is the link for Memories in March Sanjoynag (talk) 13:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

...which has just one short paragraph, no significant coverage. Please see WP:42. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Which one? Yours Truly or Memories in March? Sanjoynag (talk) 13:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thats their standard format. Its is widely accepted. Sanjoynag (talk) 14:11, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Finding a declined article

I've had an article declined. How do I find it to continue editing? Vorkosicat27 (talk) 15:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Vorkosicat27 assuming you mean Draft:The Association of Charity Independent Examiners ‎ then click on the link - Arjayay (talk) 15:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

thank you! V new to this. Vorkosicat27 (talk) 15:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the "Simagic" page

Hi, I have some questions regarding my submission on "Simagic" page. I have submitted it multiple times and make edits to fit the rules to the best of my abilities, but it keeps saying the article " read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia" and needs to be writtern from a neutral point of view. Throughout I have make various adjustments to the phrasing, wordings and adding 3rd party source to the article but it just seems like I've hit a wall. This is my first time writing a Wikipedia submission so I would like some help on what went wrong specifically and how can I make my submission fit within the rule? 219.78.57.217 (talk) 07:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Simagic Tollens (talk) 07:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

this is your second sentence:

Dedicated to providing the ultimate immersive experience for enthusiasts and professionals alike.

really? this is not an advertisement?

just about all of your draft is written like this. ltbdl (talk) 07:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Technically, that's not a sentence. Maproom (talk) 07:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

As an example, I removed promotional wording from Lead. Also, Simagic website cannot be used as a ref to establish notability. David notMD (talk) 10:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks as if, like most new editors who try the challenging task of creating an article before they have learnt how Wikipedia works, you have written your draft BACKWARDS. The steps to successfully creating an article are:

1. Find several reliable sources which are wholly independent of the subject and contain significant coverage of it. Nothing written, published or commissioned by the subject is relevant here, and nor is anything based on an interview or press release. If you cannot find several such sources you will know not to spend any more time on this unachievable purpose.
2. Forget everything that you personally know about the subject, and write a draft based only on what those independent sources say.
3. You can then add a small amount of uncontroversial factual information (eg dates, locations) from non-independent sources.

ColinFine (talk) 15:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks so much for your friendly welcome User:WillKomen. I can't wait to start editing! BiblioBun (talk) 14:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @BiblioBun, welcome to the Teahouse. I've placed your reply in its own section, since it is a separate subject. FYI, WillKomen is a fictional account set up as part of the Wikipedia Adventure, not an actual fellow editor. However, there are plenty of real folks here at the Teahouse who'd be happy to answer any questions you have about Wikipedia. 57.140.16.12 (talk) 15:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Help with editing article to be unbias/free from copyright

Hi! I am writing an article about a prominent Nepali legal scholar. I have started the page, but I got a notification saying that it is too promotional and that there is a lot of copying. I think having another pair of eyes on the article for editing would be great, as I have tried my best to edit both those issues. Please reach out and advise! Here's the link.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BidushiAdhikari (talk • contribs) 16:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@BidushiAdhikari: The draft has been deleted. If you choose to rewrite it, please write everything in your own words based on the independent reliable published sources that provide significant coverage of the scholar. GoingBatty (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

The same content seems to still be present at User:BidushiAdhikari/sandbox, so it's not hard to recover. 57.140.16.12 (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Should I find a source for a direct quotation?

I am currently editing the article on "Azoth", and I am curious if I should cite the quotations in the "Basis" section.

Thank you very much to anyone who helps :] Gøøse060 (talk) 15:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Gøøse060, yes, these should be cited. Wikipedia's citation policy says that "Wikipedia's verifiability policy requires inline citations for [...] all quotations." It's OK if they are to offline sources, because material isn't required to be online for it to be cited on Wikipedia, but it does need to be verifiable, which means the source needs to be clearly stated in the standard citation format. Inline parenthetical citations used to be OK, but not anymore, so it should be converted to the <ref> tag format. - Astrophobe (talk) 16:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure. Thank you very much! Gøøse060 (talk) 17:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

ProseSize

When I try to use ProseSize to get the number of words in an article, it says 0 B (0 words) “readable prose size”. I’m trying to get the number of words so I can participate in the current GOCE blitz. Can someone help, please? Thanks, Shadestar474 (talk) 06:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

User:Shadestar474, the same thing happened to me today! ProseSize doesn't work on the mobile skin. Make sure you have your browser toggled to "desktop site" or whatever, and there's no en.m.wikipedia in your URL. Folly Mox (talk) 07:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you! Shadestar474 (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Writing about a book in own words

I hesitate. There is a wiki article about an author, and it has a small section about his book. I could easily expand on it, and put it in my own words, without WP:COPYVIO. But wouldn't that then be considered WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH? Baygora (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Baygora: what would you be writing about the book? If you want to include a short summary, that isn't original research, as the source is the book itself. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Elli Yes. A short summary. Thank you. Baygora (talk) 20:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Baygora: You could also use published reliable book reviews to expand the article. GoingBatty (talk) 20:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Toulouse-Blagnac Airport referencing fix

Hello and good day. Go to above article, go to top of article, third paragraph where it says...The airport covers 780 hectares of land. Having problems of my addition going to the source I have used. Please fix. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 21:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Toulouse–Blagnac_Airport

@Theairportman33531: What is the error? RudolfRed (talk) 22:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: All fixed. Nothing further. ThanksTheairportman33531 (talk)

coordinats

excuse me, I'm making an article for a town in Barbados, but I don't know how to add the coordinates for it. I'm new. Help please. Mint tin 5506 (talk) 23:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Mint tin 5506. Please check WP:OGC. It shows various ways of how you want to obtain the coordinates from a map. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 00:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

ok thank you i appreciate that Mint tin 5506 (talk) 01:41, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

How to collect coins?

How to collect coins to exchange in dollar? I cannot receive coins nor I could understand its idea how to convert them in dollars later to transfer in me bank account ? 121.91.34.101 (talk) 23:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

This is a page on asking questions about using Wikipedia. We are not a bank so I cannot answer your question. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

There are many types of coin. See coins. If you collect dollar coins you won't need to convert them! Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

How do you become an editor?

Can't see this covered anywhere. Am I missing something Tsrwright (talk) 05:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tswright. There's no formal position titled "Wikipedia editor" per se. Anyone who makes an edit to a Wikipedia page is considered an "editor" so to speak as explained in WP:EDITOR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:26, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tsrwright: You have edited some articles in good faith, so you're an editor! GoingBatty (talk) 05:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:TUTORIAL? No, WP:EDITORS is probably more on point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Tsrwright! As the people above me said, you don't need to do much to become a Wikipedia editor. Making bold edits makes you an editor. There is no application process. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 11:56, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I would also recommend reading this introduction to WIkipedia. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 12:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

What the others have said, but you do need to make your WP:COI declarations and not edit articles with which you're directly connected. Star Mississippi 13:04, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Photo of a homeless person

Is it okay to display a photo of a homeless person looking for something in a garbage can in the Eppendorf district of Hamburg (Germany)? Wname1 (talk) 18:41, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Wname1: It will depend on the context and what the image does for improving the reader's understanding of the topic. You should discuss it on the talk page of whichever article this concerns. RudolfRed (talk) 19:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse @Wname1! If the image is your work and/or freely licensed, it is recommended to upload it to Wikimedia Commons (Alternatively, you can look for an already existing image on there to insert into the article). Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 20:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

You could also upload a non-free (copyrighted) file, but I wouldn't recommend that UNLESS that is the only option you have. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 20:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Really?!? Isn't Wikipedia adamantly against use of copyright protected materials? David notMD (talk) 22:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

In this particular case, probably. Assuming the OP is thinking about the article Eppendorf, Hamburg, I don't think such an image would fit since there's nothing about homelessness there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Sure, but at the very least the non-free file would have a rationale for why it would stay up on Wikipedia. However, with the possible context here, I don't think it's needed. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 11:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

On 10/16/2023 at about 6:30 p.m. (2 days ago) in Eppendorf, Hamburg I saw a man sitting on the lower stairs of Deutsche Bank and had a plastic cup where other people were supposed to give him money. Had talked to the person... I didn't take a picture of this person. Wname1 (talk) 13:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Rejection of my draft article due to lacking of reliable sources

Hi. Recently I made the Draft:Murder of Jiang Ge but it was rejected due to it lacking reliable sources. Since the incident was predominantly covered more in Chinese and Japanese media than in other international media, I was unable to find more sources other than in Chinese and Japanese. I translated the article from Chinese Wikipedia and avoided using deprecated Chinese sources. Yet my article was rejected and the reviewer did not elaborate on which sources used are not reliable. Could you let me know based on the review of the draft on what sources I should not have used and should change to in order to have it accepted? Toadboy123 (talk) 12:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Let me start by just stating that foreign-language sources are explicitly allowed in EN-Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:RSUEC; as for sources, you would need reliable sources of course. I would contact the reviewer directly via talk. Keep in mind though, that the existence of an article in ZH-Wikipedia isn't a guarantee that we will have one here...there's plenty of differences between the various projects. Lectonar (talk) 12:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I understand that not all Chinese Wikipedia articles would be accepted in English Wikipedia. However, my query is what are the exact sources that should be avoided in my article as I am unable to find more English sources due to lack of coverage of the event in other international media. I have asked the reviewer to clarify regarding the source use in the article. Toadboy123 (talk) 12:54, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Note that the draft was Declined, not Rejected. The former means that the reviewer thought there was potential to succeed. David notMD (talk) 13:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion this draft may not rise to English Wikipedia notability and regardless, is far too long. To summarize, an ex-boyfriend stalked a woman. When he appeared outside the apartment door of the woman with a knife, who was with her roommate, she fled inside and locked the door behind her. The ex-boyfriend killed the roommate. He was found guilty. A civil case was bought against the woman for locking out and not attempting to aid her roommate. That should not take thousands of words and scores of references. David notMD (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Toadboy123: You might get an answer from the reviewer but in the meanwhile...

To demonstrate notability, you need sources that are (1) reliable (2) independent of the subject and (3) deal with the subject at length. News articles in reputable outlets usually meet (1) and (2) so the question is about (3). "Routine coverage" does not count for that purpose, and news outlets will usually cover murder cases (if only briefly). While I am ready to believe this particular instance was covered more-than-usual-enough under the criteria outlined at WP:EVENTCRIT, you need to demonstrate this to the reviewer.

I cannot read nor talk Chinese or Japanese, and I suspect many article reviewers are in the same position. So, when they come across an article with 52 sources mostly in those languages, they can either start the gruntwork of trying to assess aaaaalll the sources through automated translation (with no guarantee of success - for instance, Japanese <-> English automated translation is still rather poor); or they can skip to the next article in the review queue. Most will do the latter.

I would suggest you leave a talk page message identifying a couple of important sources (demonstrating that the coverage was extensive, or long-lasting, or over a large geographical scope, or any of the criteria of WP:EVENTCRIT), so that the next reviewer has an easier task (having only to look at ~5 sources rather than fifty), and/or leave notifications at the relevant WikiProjects (I imagine most editors at WP:JAPAN can read Japanese for instance). Basically, follow the spirit of WP:THREE (which applies to more simple notability cases, so maybe three is not the right limit here). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

How to request removal of a website from a blacklist?

I have been writing articles on Russian military gear (6B23) and I have run into a problem. Not a lot of sources give reliable info on Russian armor vests, even in Russian language. Without resorting to forums, my choice is rather limited. I wanted to use Topwar.ru but it is apparently blacklisted. Could you please tell me a way I can find out a reason for the blacklisting of this source, and thena page where I can request its removal from a blacklist? Thank you. F.Alexsandr (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

It was blocked as a fake news/disinformation site. You can find the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_281. MrOllie (talk) 13:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Shipwrecks

Hello, Teahouse. Today my question is a more technical one. I am drafting a article for list of shipwrecks by ocean depth and need help with two things: 1. Showing me how to organize the list, so that it does that thing where you can mess around with the order (specifically a-z for the alphabetical sections like name, and increasing numerical value for the depth.) and 2. I have thus far found it hard to locate certain ship's depth. Should I include these ships (that I cannot locate the resting depth of with certainty), and is there a resource for finding such values? Best regards, Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 13:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

1: I believe you want Help:Sortable tables.

2: I would recommend putting the best values that you can reliably source. If you can't reliably source a value, don't include it.

3: This really isn't intended to be snide, but... finding the sources for the article you're making is your job. <ahem> Fold3 might be helpful, but access to library accounts requires that you've been editing for +6 months. Maybe there's a out-of-print book that you could access via archive.org or Project Gutenberg ? DS (talk) 14:38, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Much obliged. As for the third question, I was asking for a specific source that included depth frequently, but I understand that I must do research across the web if none is available. Cheers, Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 15:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@UnexpectedSmoreInquisition: The editors at Wikipedia:WikiProject Shipwrecks might be able to provide some potential sources for you. GoingBatty (talk) 15:32, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Please, upload this image to this article

El Reemplazante doesn't have an image of its logo, can someone upload it,please? Link:https://z-p3-scontent.fscl26-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355651940_304086571975005_6527919682202923833_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_eui2=AeFMJ2_v4os60VaniAnJMBdJT6tOT2fQnw1Pq05PZ9CfDUQefvD5oLaOTGThwgWBbH-v5Q85HNKLXxFZWov64A8k&_nc_ohc=rqalipcbA3AAX-tlYvW&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=z-p3-scontent.fscl26-1.fna&oh=00_AfAiOroqRqsNi-ik3QCOj_A6jLqeZtq96WDJyJ4Vdb3CoQ&oe=6533B0F7 201.188.129.45 (talk) 09:03, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Your IP address and related IP range 201.188.128.0/19 have been very actively posting changes to articles related to movies, with a very high percentage of those edits reverted, and several IP addresses temporarily blocked. More to the point, you have been adding this image to El Reemplazante several times and other editors have reverted it. I recommend you find something else to do. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor! Adding a url in the infobox's |image= parameter isn't the proper use of the infobox. Instead, the image should be uploaded to the English Wikipedia, and then the image name can be added to the infobox. The long URL you provided doesn't make it clear where the image is stored. I suggest you post your request at Talk:El Reemplazante, with a description of how to navigate from the URL of a reliable source (e.g. TVN's web site) to the image you're suggesting. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

How to add article link to close an orphaned article tag. What's all about orphaned pages

What is Orphaned article all about. How do I get an article de-orphaned and how to get links. Babcock Uni (talk) 16:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Babcock Uni Welcome to the Teahouse. To answer your question, Wikipedia:Orphan has a lot of useful information. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 16:48, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Something I just found on Wiki Commons.

Soooo I was scrolling through commons to see if NickMusic gained a new logo (since they did on YouTube), and I found this Alt Nick Logo that looks good for page use, and I was wondering if it is ok to add to the Nickelodeon page or not. DarkModeEditor (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@DarkModeEditor Welcome. Seems like the image would be fine, since it's licensed under CC-BY-SA 4.0. NotAGenious (talk) 15:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you! DarkModeEditor (talk) 17:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Reference Numbering

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_of_Valor#External_links is an article whose first reference is written as "[2]". Why isn't it one. Thanks in advance for your help. Polar Apposite (talk) 16:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I mean, why isn't it "[1]"? Polar Apposite (talk) 16:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

The reference numbering is decided by the order references appear in the code that makes the page. Infoboxes usually appear at the top of this code and so if they contain a reference that is where the numbering starts from. Look at the engine field in the infobox on that article page. That's where you'll find reference number 1. - X201 (talk) 16:14, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Have a nice day. Polar Apposite (talk) 17:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

incorrect link

How can I flag a link for someone with more editing experience to fix? On the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Hern%C3%A1ndez_Mar%C3%ADn in the sidebar heading "Genres" it lists "lamento". Clicking it goes to a song by that name, not the genre. Blackjackdavee (talk) 20:40, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Blackjackdavee, our (very incomplete) page on the lamento is at Lament – it doesn't even mention the Lamento di Tristano! If lamento is a specific genre in Cuban/Puerto-Rican music, you might want to create a separate page on that – I'm guessing, but it's likely to be substantially different from the Mediaeval/Renaissance/Baroque genre. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Blackjackdavee: Welcome to the Teahouse! I removed the incorrect link from the infobox, with an edit summary of "removed incorrect link (links to a song called 'Lamento', not a music genre about lamento music)". If you're hesitant about making an edit, you can ask for help by posting on the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:Rafael Hernández Marín). GoingBatty (talk) 21:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Blackjackdavee & @Justlettersandnumbers: I removed the incorrect "lamento" link from 11 other articles. Feel free to add links to "lament" where appropriate. GoingBatty (talk) 21:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

GoingBatty, I've now moved the song article (to here) and redirected Lamento to Lament for the moment, so you could probably restore those links now (I'd do it myself with selective rollback, but don't want to send you a dozen "you were reverted" notifications). Blackjackdavee, thanks for noticing the problem, and for asking how to fix it. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:05, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: I've reverted most of my edits, changed links to the song to Lamento (Gian Marco song), and added {{redirect}} to the top of Lament. See Special:WhatLinksHere/Lamento for what links there now. GoingBatty (talk) 16:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, GoingBatty, some of that I should have thought to do myself. I'd marked the Lamento redirect as a {{redirect with possibilities}}; if I remember, I'll have a look at some sources and see whether there's enough to justify a standalone page for that topic. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:00, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Bio rejected as not significant enough - US / UK issue?

I've had a biography rejected as the subject is deemed 'not significant enough'. I have added further citations to try to demonstrate significance and would appreciate advice as to whether this now passes the significance test. I'm wondering whether, as this subject is historically significant on the UK comedy scene but no longer very active, whether this is causing an issue as he was huge in the 80s in the UK only, but would not be thought very significant by editors based in the US. Advice welcome. Thanks. Draft:Richard Morton (musician)#Career MsContent (talk) 12:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

MsContent Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I fixed your link to be an internal link(we don't need the whole url) so people can read it irrespective of the version of Wikipedia they use(desktop or mobile).

Your draft was only declined, not rejected. In the article submission process, rejected has a specific meaning, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.

It does appear to be more sourced; you need to show that he meets the definition of a notable musician or a notable person more broadly. If the draft is properly sourced and shows notability, the nationality of the reviewer is not relevant. The best way to get feedback is to resubmit it. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@MsContent as well as the excellent advice you've already received, please make sure to add a source (or remove) the Personal Life section before you re-submit, otherwise it'll just get declined again. Qcne (talk) 14:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I cut stuff, including a very long quote. An article about a performer does not need to include every gig. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

OK. I didn't really want to have the very long quote but I included it as evidence that the subject was 'more than just a passing reference' by a well known peer, which was apparently why it got rejected before.

I'm finding this process exceedingly frustrating because it's so subjective.

The guy's music partner has a Wiki listing with no citations at all.

I've cited several books in which he receives kudos from his peers or warrants whole sections because of the part he played in the birth of a new 'scene'. I've cited numerous reviews in major newspapers. He's had multiple series of game shows in which he was co-presenter, he's still commissioned to develop and present BBC radio series which are still available to stream.

He received a highly respected award for his comedy and is listed on the Wiki page for that award without a page to link to.

I agree that the list of his credits was overly long but again it was used as evidence that he is worthy of a listing, so I don't understand what he or I have to do to demonstrate his 'significance'. MsContent (talk) 07:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits but you have introduced inaccuracies which I now have to correct. I Can't Stand Up for Falling Down is the title of the book written by comedian Jo Brand which references my subject, not the title of the BBC Radio 4 series he presents.

I strongly object to the new alert that has been added to the top of the page which suggests I have a strong connection to the subject. I've never met the man. He lives locally-ish. We've emailed a couple of times so he could provide the evidence required for citations. MsContent (talk) 07:18, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Apologies, it's early in the morning.

I Can't Stand up for Sitting Down is the Jo Brand book.

I Can't Stand Up for Falling Down is my subject's radio series.

You did not introduce inaccuracies. MsContent (talk) 07:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @MsContent. I just wanted to caution you that it's a bad idea to try and compare to existing Wikipedia articles. We have millions of articles, of which thousands are poor quality and should be improved or even deleted- as this is a volunteer project no one has gotten around to improve them yet. If you wanted to try and base your article on an existing one, choose a WP:GOOD article, which has been vetted by the community to meet our standards.

As a reviewer I've had a look at your draft now, and one of the issues is that a lot of your sources are to offline books. You are of course permitted to use offline published sources, but it does make it more difficult for a reviewer to check the validity of your sources as they would have to borrow/purchase the book itself.

Of your online sources, the roughtrade one is good as it provides some discussion of the subject. But most of the others seem to be WP:PRIMARY as they are links to shows he has been in, or advertising his various gigs. These types of sources don't confer notability under WP:NPERSON.

I would encourage you to submit it again and see if a reviewer will be able to find the hard copy sources. The actual article is written well in a way that conforms to our standards, it's just the sources that makes it difficult.

I understand this is a frustrating, sometimes byzantine, process. Hope that helps a bit, but let me know if you have any questions. Qcne (talk) 08:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Comment Per WP:SOURCEACCESS you should not be rejecting on this basis. Polyamorph (talk) 11:16, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Yep, I wouldn't decline it based on the sources, and the decline history shows it was declined for a lack of inline citations. Qcne (talk) 11:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

You wrote one of the issues is that a lot of your sources are to offline books. This is not an issue backed by policy and there is no longer a lack of inline citations. Polyamorph (talk) 11:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I worded that poorly. I meant that it is a barrier to being able to verify. I would not, and have not, declined or rejected based on offline sources. Qcne (talk) 11:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Qcne I appreciate you taking the time to respond more fully with the advice.

I have copies of the books, or photocopies of the pages in which he is mentioned which I can use to demonstrate the validity of the sources.

It's because the guy is older and never quite took off to household name level status compared with his peers, although he did still have a great deal of success. He is mentioned on at least two other Wiki pages - for the Time Out Comedy Award and for Win Beadles' Money game show he co-presented - but without a page to link to.

He is notable, besides his successful career, for being one of the co-founders of The Comedy Club's The Cutting Edge which completely changed the landscape of comedy in the UK in the 80s and really launched the 'Alternative Comedy' scene.

It seems, honestly, a little unjust that older subjects whose life is more likely to be written about in books than online sources are likely to be excluded.

I've had a look on Amazon and unfortunately one of the books is no longer listed so you can't 'See a Sample' to check it online, however the other one is still available and it is possible to scroll down in the online 'Sample' to the Who's Who section where Richard is listed as "Musical comedian. Founder member of The Cutting Edge." And that of course is indication that he is one of the subjects who is written about inside.

There are newspaper reviews of his Edinburgh festival appearances and other work sourced, but again because these are pre-internet and have not been added to the digital archive it hampers verification. MsContent (talk) 08:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@MsContent I agree that there is an unfortunate bias on Wikipedia against older people with offline sources.

I have a possible solution for you: you are now an autoconfirmed user which means you can bypass the Articles for Creation process and create new articles directly in the mainspace. If you feel that your hard copy sources do show that Richard passes WP:NPEOPLE or WP:NENTERTAINER, then I would encourage you to be bold and create the article directly by going to Special:EditPage/Richard_Morton_(musician) and copying across your draft content. You could then add wikilinks to any existing articles that mention Richard.

The new article will be placed into the new pages patrol queue, where a separate set of reviewers check to see if it passes the core guidelines.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 10:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Comment Per WP:SOURCEACCESS there should be no such bias. Polyamorph (talk) 11:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

But there absolutely is a natural bias. As an AfC reviewer, I don't often review drafts that are primary made up of offline sources if I have no way to easily get those sources. It means that those types of drafts end up languishing in the pool for months and months. Same goes for topics I have no knowledge of- I am not going to easily review a draft about theoretical mathematics. Qcne (talk) 11:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Qcne that makes sense and helps to explain why indeed the submission has often sat for months before being reviewed. I appreciate your further advice and I will have a think about going that route. I've honestly found the system and processes quite hard to work out so I'm slightly relucatant to dive down another route with another whole set of processes to read up on and work out. But I'll have a look. Cheers. MsContent (talk) 13:06, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not particularly user friendly to new editors. We've had two decades worth of policies and guidelines that are fairly opaque to outsiders! If you're still struggling with creating it in mainspace, or don't want to deal with any sort of subsequent discussion that may arise, then I'd be willing to create the article. Just let me know. Qcne (talk) 18:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

You say you have been in communication with him about your editing; that is indeed a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

With respect @331dot as a journalist by trade I understand very well what constitutes a conflict of interest. I have absolutely no vested interest in getting this published, beyond the fact that the whole process has been so frustrating and hard to work out (by which I mean it's not at all user friendly) that my sheer dogged determination to see it through has made me grit my teeth and keep going.

As a journalist I would submit my copy and subeditors would fact check it and if necessary contact the subject of the piece for verification or disambiguation. Since there are no copy editors in this process I fulfilled that role myself and contacted him to fact check some aspects and to gather further citable evidence. That is not a conflict of interest. It's due diligence. MsContent (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

MsContent Wikipedia is different than other forms of publishing. Articles are typically written without any involvement from, or even the knowledge of, the subject. It isn't like writing for a newspaper where you would speak with the subject. If you are communicating with the subject of your edits, then the subject is influencing the content of the article, which is supposed to primarily summarize what independent reliable sources say, not what the person wants to say about themselves. That needs to be disclosed as a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 13:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

adding a reference

Hi, I want to add a reference to a page (biographical) but when I click "References [edit source]" it brings me to an input box which starts with

"==References=="

and "Reflist" in curly brackets.

I don't see where to add my one-line reference (to a website) to the existing list of references.

Thanks Peter Geldartp (talk) 18:34, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Geldartp: That template in the double curly braces lists the citations that are attached to sentences in the article body. Look through the page source and you'll see citations surrounded by <ref> ... </ref> tags. See WP:CITE for guidance. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

You might want to try using the WP:VISUALEDITOR which allows you to add references easily, see the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE. Qcne (talk) 19:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Geldartp: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can also post your suggestion on the article's talk page, and a more experienced editor could assist you. GoingBatty (talk) 19:37, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Best way to submit Wiki Talk edits with known COI?

I'm trying to suggest edits via Wiki talk for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargramostim My talk posts have been deleted by user Zefr noting that "this is not how to propose a specific change in the article" What is best way to propose a specific change in the article? I am submitting via the COI portal 97.81.195.108 (talk) 19:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

as far as i know, using the talk page is the place to suggest edits, as long as the page is semiprotected or worse

if you feel the edit isn't disruptive or fits the guidelines/rules/whatever, you should just be able to make an edit assuming the page isn't moved into semiprotection between me posting this reply and your attempt to edit it Natelabs (talk) 19:29, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I cannot see your talk page post because it was redacted. I suggest asking Zefr on their talk page for an explanation and advice on how to proceed. RudolfRed (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit requests should be concise and in the general form of "change sentence A to sentence B, based on what reliable source C says". No uninvolved editor is going to act on a total rewrite like you proposed, for two reasons. First, it is overwhelming to any editor who lacks subject matter expertise, and second, nobody can tell, based on what you wrote on the talk page, what you think is wrong. Propose your changes a sentence or two at a time, in the form that I suggested. Cullen328 (talk) 19:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

How to upload Wikimedia files without them being blank

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. (I think) I have tried to upload something here my file appears blank. I am trying to upload an SVG version of this file but it never shows. Always blank. is it a problem with my computer? Is there a fix? Thank you. 𝑨 𝒘𝒆𝒔𝒕𝒎𝒂𝒏^{𝑻𝒂𝒍𝒌} 18:16, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@A westman: For help with uploading images to commons, ask at c:Commons:Help_desk RudolfRed (talk) 19:07, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@A westman: Please clarify the problem. The only file you have ever uploaded was File:Manitoban Flag.png in 2021 and it wasn't an SVG file. SVG files must be uploaded with a name ending in ".svg". If you have tried to use the link "Upload a new version of this file" on a non-SVG file like c:File:Pin blue right.png but you wanted to replace it with an SVG file then it's wrong. Don't use that link when you change file type. You have to upload it as a new file with a new name, e.g. "Pin blue right.svg". PrimeHunter (talk) 19:57, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I tried to upload a fixed version of the Lebanese flag (the tree looks wrong) but it didn't show either. It was on a different account, A westman (talk) 19:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@A westman: There are dozens of files with the Lebanese flag. I asked you to clarify the problem and you refer to some issue with an unidentified file uploaded with an unidentified account. Sorry but I'm not psychic and I'm pulling out of this one to avoid burnout. I have spent 17 years trying to guess what posters want help with and sometimes it gets to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Um, sorry? A westman (talk) 20:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

A westman, what account and what file did you upload? — Frostly (talk) 21:04, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

ECA

Hey, I crossed 500 edits and have done 501 edits but I didn't get the Extended Confirmed Access till now. Why? Can anyone please tell me? TheProEditor11 (talk) 14:38, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I think the MediaWiki software that Wikipedia runs on was being a bit slow. According to this, you now have the Extended Confirmed userright. Congrats! Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah! I got it.. Thankyou for your reply and wishes!!!!! TheProEditor11 (talk) 02:41, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Template:3x3

The template {{3x3}}, which redirects to {{3x3 national basketball team}}, is being used for a lot of female players, but it links to the men's national 3x3 team. Can someone try to help fix this? Kk.urban (talk) 18:01, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: For women's teams, use the template {{3x3w}} RudolfRed (talk) 19:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I think I have fixed this for most articles that needed it. Kk.urban (talk) 05:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Antiques

Hello, I would like to gather information about this piano, what do you recommend? Georg Schwechten, produced in 1853, series number 36509, handmade, 15 international awards, creator of instruments, Supplier to the Court of His Imperial Majesty. Extremely rare, no finer pianos have ever been created than those of the Schwechten house. The G. Schwechten piano, located in Berlin, is the decisive culmination of a work of the highest quality produced in very small shops in Germany and Austria in the 19th century. G. Schwechten's line of pianos opened in the shop of his older brother Heinrich in 1839. Georg Schwechten visited his shop in Berlin in 1853 and specialized in exquisite handmade pianos such as this one. This magnificent line of instruments ended with Georg, who died in 1902. Ivory keyboard of the G. Schwechten piano series No. 36509, made before 1853. Amalain (talk) 09:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Amalain Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place to ask about editing or using Wikipedia itself. You may want to try asking your question at the Reference Desk. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Amalain See G. Schwechten, although not an extensive article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I changed the article title to Georg Schwechten and improved refs. What you wrote above in part exactly matches the second ref ("Extremely rare..."). If you can find more published information and Schwechten and Schwechten pianos, that can be added to the article. David notMD (talk) 09:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

From looking at the origin of the images I saw that there is an article at German Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Schwechten) with far more information about Schwechten and more references. And an article at Russian Wikipedia with an image of Georg. You could translate from those , but are then required to acknowledge in your Edit summary where the information was copied from. David notMD (talk) 10:04, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Yellow fever vaccine

does yellow fever vaccine required to travel south Africa 114.143.205.130 (talk) 11:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! This is a place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, and not for general questions. You are welcome to ask another question. Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 12:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea on how latitude longitude coordinates work.

So what I’m trying to do is, add a pin on a location in the map, in Poro Point, but i don’t know how these things work since there is no coordinate (x, y, like in google maps) to latitude longitude, how do i convert it? By the way, Latitude, is the first part of a google map coordinate, and Longitude, is the second part of the google map coordinate seperated by commas, in (16.6166423, 120.2833558) 🌀 SuperTyphoonNoru 🌀 SuperTyphoonNoru (talk) 12:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Noru111344: Fixed in Special:Diff/1180882997. --CiaPan (talk) 12:21, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! 🌀 SuperTyphoonNoru 🌀 SuperTyphoonNoru (talk) 12:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

trouble finding sources

yo whaddup i'm new as you can tell and i'm lookin' to improve Web fiction because some of those sections are seriously ancient as fuck and i figure if i'm gonna do that i want me some sources and i'm porin' over WP:RS and that's just a wall of text so i was wonderin' if you fine folks could help me understand good ways to find good sources to make an article good because i tried a good ol' internet search and it's just pullin' up stuff about some recent fanfiction-related events rather than the sort of info i'm lookin' for if that makes any sense Believerinmagic (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

To rephrase, sections in Web fiction were tagged back in 2010 as lacking references. David notMD (talk) 01:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Good clarification, David notMD. Believerinmagic, this is a tough assignment but I applaud you trying to improve an article that really needs references. Does doing a Google news search help narrow it down? I found this New York Times article, for example. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 01:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

thanks a ton for that source it seems like what i'm looking for, i don't seem to be having much more luck changing to news search on duckduckgo, could you clue me in to what in particular you searched to find that? Believerinmagic (talk) 01:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Believerinmagic: I just searched "web fiction" in Google News and scrolled through a few results. You are free to use whichever search engine you wish, but it does seem like you'll get more results using Google than DuckDuckGo. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 01:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Believerinmagic. Your definition of "ancient as fuck" may be different than mine, although I agree that sexual intercourse is genuinely ancient. You may be able to find more recent high quality sources by searching Google Books and Google Scholar. Cullen328 (talk) 06:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

legit big thanks for pointing me at those i've very quickly found what appear to be 2 good sources (a science one and a book one) there, though one of them wants me to buy access to it (fair enough they gotta keep the lights on) but says that someone who is part of an "institution" (like a science thing?) might be able to access it for free is there any sort of procedure for these types of things like should i just throw it on Talk:Web fiction with a message that it's available for anybody who has access to it to use in the article or is there some kind of system to find wikipedia users who have access to these sorts of things and are willing to do that sort of thing either way i'm probably gonna work on adding stuff from the book one to Web fiction now Believerinmagic (talk) 14:04, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Two things you might find useful are Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library and Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange, Believerinmagic. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

those seem like exactly what i'm looking for thank you very much i will likely make good use of them Believerinmagic (talk) 14:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Gran Canaria Airport Reference fix

Hello. Go to above article. Go to first paragraph. The sentence that says...The airport covers 553 hectares...Clean up Reference #7. I dont understand why once in a while when I source it doesnt come out right. Thought I had this down pat. Seemed like I entered everything right. Please fix. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Theairportman33531. I fixed it. The "Title" parameter was capitalized in the citation template. Those parameters need to be lower case. I just changed it to "title". Cullen328 (talk) 18:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Why was my artical not published?

My page was about a tv show character and canonical facts about what the character likes,relationships and more. I cited all viable sorces and referenced the original show creator I'm not sure what was wrong with it Cookies&Kuma (talk) 18:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Steven universe likes/dislikes - GoingBatty (talk) 18:52, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cookies&Kuma: We already have Steven Universe (character) for information about the character based on reliable sources. Your draft does not have any specific sources, does not have proper section headers, and has many typos. GoingBatty (talk) 18:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing policy for translated articles?

Hi! I recently finished translating this article from it.wikipedia, but my translation was soon moved into draft space for being unsourced. The thing is, it's exactly as (admittedly under-)sourced as the Italian wiki article is: it has a bibliography but no inline citations.

Is that not acceptable? Can I not translate pages without sourcing them myself? (That's difficult to do for some of these topics. My Italian isn't good enough to read academic writing in reasonable amounts of time!)

Does en.wikipedia just not accept translations unless they're up to its citation standards? That would make perfect sense, of course! I'm just confused and wondering what I missed in the articles on how to translate, haha.

-- Photosynthetic430 ❧ 17:33, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Photosynthetic430: Welcome to the Teahouse! You are correct - Help:Translation#English Wikipedia policy requirements stated that translations must meet the English Wikipedia's citation standards. GoingBatty (talk) 17:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Photosynthetic430. Newly translated articles must meet Emglish Wikipedia's core content policies, which includes Verifiability. There is no exception for translated articles. WP:Translation says In all cases, articles must meet the relevant notability criteria and other guidelines applicable to articles on the English-language Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia has its own standards, and the acceptance of an article's topic or of any part of its content in one language is no guarantee that it will be accepted in another. Cullen328 (talk) 17:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, don't I feel silly. Thank you both. -- Photosynthetic430 ❧ 19:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photosynthetic430 (talk • contribs)

%The letter, >J<

If the letter J was first coined (invented) in the 15th Century, then why do Jewish people claim it to be used in BCE timelines..? 71.84.26.178 (talk) 19:08, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

IP editor, this is a question for the Reference Desk. Qcne (talk) 19:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article about the letter J states that a related character is the "Semitic letter Yodh". Those articles might be helpful for you. GoingBatty (talk) 19:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Sidequest

I noticed there is no wiki page about the website sidequestvr.com This website has a role in the developpement of VR games and VR apps.

I am volunteer to help to create a page about it. Oumy (talk) 17:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, Oumy. Before beginning to write the article, please verify the subject meets our notability guidelines If so, you can create a draft and follow the advice found here on writing an article. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:56, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

But, following on from the advice Novo Tape gave, I would point out that editors who try to create an article before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works by editing existing articles (and, in particular, working with sources and references) usually have a frustrating and miserable time. I see that your account has existed for nearly as long as mine has, but in that time, you have made only one set of edits to one article, so I would advise you to spend a few weeks or months gaining that experience before you try it. ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

suggesting a page

i noticed that there are pages for both Murder Drones and Meta Runner, yet Glitch Productions isnt an actual page, just a redirect to meta runner. is this a notability problem ,like what happens to BFDI drafts?

i'd love to try and actually make the page myself, but i have no skill in writing pages from scratch Natelabs (talk) 19:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Natelabs: Welcome to the Teahouse! Attempts have been made - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glitch Productions and Draft:Glitch Productions if you haven't already done so. Creating a successful article starts with finding multiple independent published sources with significant coverage of the company. GoingBatty (talk) 19:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

And note, Natelabs, that notability is not inherited. It's perfectly possible for several works to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (because they have been written about sufficiently) but their creator not to do so. ColinFine (talk) 20:38, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Reviewed Article

OP blocked, and we don't need this.

Hi there, So I got this article reviewed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Electrochemically_Activated_Chemotherapy I am the owner of the patent companies, I am also the lead author of the scientific publications, I am the inventor of the technique and the requisite hardware mentioned in the article. I am proven professional author in both science, law, and academia. OI have some issues with the review, namely: This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies. I believe that the reviewer WikiDan61 to be incorrect, I have submitted 4 peer reviewed journal articles for this wiki article to satisfy ..."range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed." All of the materials are independently verifiable, and have links to their hosted website. Now, had I posted form Innovative Potential's website, that would be different, but I did not. WikiDan61 is wrong in his assessment. There are no "independent of the subject" sources because the subject is expensive, new, and no one else wants to learn about a machine that can cure cancer. I have provided primary peer-reviewed source articles, and two national laws, there is no higher quality reference material than that. The reviewer commented: "Also, there is not sufficient evidence that anyone other than Boudreau (the technique's inventor) has taken note of or written about the technique." The technique is a scientific principle, as described in the source material, and pardon me, but I don't understand how popularity is fitting into Wikipedia's guidelines considering there are articles on research chemicals. I want a re-review. Sincerely, Jordache InnovativePotential (talk) 21:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Hello, InnovativePotention, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that if There are no "independent of the subject" sources, then by definition, the subject does not at present meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no Wikipedia article is possible. ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Hi ColinFine, I am confused, should I be linking the citations to the citation then? Or should you be writing the article for me? (not being snide, this is a legitimate question). Jordache InnovativePotential (talk) 22:04, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Hi Colin, I'm going to quote your notability page with this line "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article" Those patents are national laws and therefore subject citizenry in a legal and lawful context. These are extremely suitable sources and therefore notable. InnovativePotential (talk) 22:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC) @InnovativePotential: But we have to see how it is notable outside of just the patents. There are millions upon millions of patents, and some of them don't deserve their own article. That's why you'll need to find reliable, independent sources about your patent, so that way we know it merits your own article. We can't have a Wikipedia article about everything, after all. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 23:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Yeah so apparently after reading that notability article you linked to me, I am entitled to this new wiki article page regarding electrochemically activated prodrugs and their applications. There have been provided two national laws, Canada and the USA, an anonymously reviewed scientific journal article, and a master of science thesis on the subject material, all of which have been reviewed by at last 45 different PhD lawyers, professors and or experts in their fields. The patents are included because they are describing the safety incorporations to be considered as a minimally viable clinical product. If I wanted to pimp some wares I would have linked "www.theinnovativepotential.com and listed teh CGP product the Joey by innovative potential" because that's what an advertisement looks like. WikiDan61 doesn't know what he's doing. InnovativePotential (talk) 22:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC) No one is entitled to an article page. They are based on notability, should have independent 3rd party sources. Patents are not considered independent 3rd party sources. Finally please do not disparage other editors as you did when you stated that User:WikiDan61 doesn't know what he's doing.--VVikingTalkEdits 22:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Patents are primary sources, they are notability incarnate. That notability rule is for stuff like politics or celebrity gossip, not primary journal reports of the scientific literature on natural phenomenon or technological progress. Do your job right and I wouldn't have to disparage others for their failures. InnovativePotential (talk) 22:29, 19 October 2023 (UTC) That notability rule is for stuff like politics or celebrity gossip, not primary journal reports of the scientific literature on natural phenomenon or technological progress. Absolutely not. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. And the fact that you are arguing strongly for this, together with your COI (thank you for declaring it) and your use of the word "entitled", sets up a strong presumption that you are engaged in promotion, which is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 22:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC) You can't differentiate the difference between fact and gossip you idiot robot. "Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources." That makes zero sense. So you actually want completey random idiots making articles they know nothing about and posting them to wikipedia? You have everything backwards. Wikipedia does not know that cyclophosphamide can be mechanistically improved through the use of electrochemistry. I have provided you 4 direct primary sources affirming that fact, and you are not reading the material, who cares if I discovered it on a specific date time and location, it was discovered at a specific date time and location. Then why did i have to write the article for this discovery? You didn't do your damned job that's why. InnovativePotential (talk) 22:45, 19 October 2023 (UTC) InnovativePotential, yes, notability is based on the existence of suitable sources. Suitable sources are as described in WP:RS. In order to be suitable, sources must meet various criteria. One is that they must be disinterested: written by people independent of the subject. So if the subject is Electrochemically Activated Chemotherapy, and if I'm correct in understanding that this was developed by Boudreau at the University of Guelph, then -- here, in this discussion thread -- point to three substantive descriptions/discussions of EAC written and published by sources independent of Boudreau and the University of Guelph. -- Hoary (talk) 22:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC) 1) bioactivation 2) redox chemistry 3) robotic surgery All three of which are linked to in the article in question, inclusive of all of their references. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research specifically: In general, the most reliable sources are: Peer-reviewed journals Books published by university presses University-level textbooks Magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses Mainstream newspapers However, note that higher standards than this are required for medical claims. I gave you 4. InnovativePotential (talk) 22:39, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Clearly described sources, please. For each of the three, its author(s) and title, and its DOI or whatever. (NB this will be only the first hurdle in getting the draft accepted.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC) UPDATE: Editor now blocked indefinitely for advertising and promotion. But he could just as easily have been blocked for a serious attitude problem when dealing with volunteer editors whose role is simply to trying to discern the difference between a notable topic (that others have written about) and a one-man theory which the world at large hasn't yet taken any notice of. E.g.: "I invented a cancer cure out of another cancer cure, here's 4 book on how I'm better than you in every possible way, and how you will never amount to anything." "You organization isn't worth the money with volunteers like them. one person dies every 3 seconds in the world, and something like this, is worth the lives of every wikipedia editor." "You can't differentiate the difference between fact and gossip you idiot robot." It must be frustrating to want to promote one's life's research here on Wikipedia. But that is not what this encyclopaedia is for. If, or hopefully when, this process becomes notable enough to be written about by unconnected persons, then it will undoubtedly be a wonderful addition to this encyclopaedia. But until that happens, we expect editors (old and new) to avoid hurling bullying insults at other editors. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC) OP blocked for advertising and promotion. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 23:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Question about behavior

I'd like to get some opinion on this. An editor is dominating the discussion at Coco Lee. After Mistreatment RfC started, I put their wall of text into sections. They complained but received no response from the Teahouse. Now they are telling editors not to participate in the Mistreatment RfC and opened an Order of events section over similar issues. They have repeatedly suggested that I am deliberately making false accusations [2], lying [3], adding misinformation [4] related to a Chinese entity, or that someone is editing on behalf of it [5]. Is this normal behavior as far as Wikipedia is concerned? Related discussions at ANI and BLP/N but they are very long. Vacosea (talk) 18:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vacosea I think grievances of this kind is suitable for ANI but not good for the teahouse. I think all will appreciate it if the discussion of these grievances are contained at one place for the sake of efficiency.

To quote WP:FORUMSHOP: Raising essentially the same issue on multiple noticeboards and talk pages, or to multiple administrators or reviewers, or any one of these repetitively, is unhelpful to finding and achieving consensus.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 20:21, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

To clarify, I'm not asking to resolve the grievance here. My question is whether the said behavior is itself allowed or discouraged by Wikipedia. Because if it is considered normal behavior, then I would not need to raise it further at the ANI. Thank you for your input. Vacosea (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Editing Suggestions

I have followed all the Editing Suggestions rom everyone who viewed my article. I made all changes suggested. What do you think? Dr.McMillion (talk) 01:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Dr.McMillion, your draft still includes unreferenced, overtly promotional statements such as Mack is considered one of the most transformational figures in radio, with a radio career spanning 48 years. and Greg has also helped launch some of the biggest names on the big screen by taking a chance and playing their demo tapes on the radio. and Greg Mack has etched a path and laid the foundation for many West and East Coast artists. and Working on his forthcoming book and Greg Mack has contributed his time and work ethic to programs that support people experiencing homelessness, has been a huge supporter of law enforcement and He is recognized for his contributions to the hip-hop culture in its totality and Mack continues to be a staple in many communities around the world through his syndicated radio show. All of that is overtly promotional and must either be removed or attributed to reliable sources with references. You need to go word by word, line by line, and rigorously remove every single trace of unreferenced promotional content. Also, per MOS:SURNAME, we use a person's first name once at the beginning of the article, and refer to them by their surname only subsequently. So, you need to remove countless use of "Greg" throughout the article. Cullen328 (talk) 01:27, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

That is very helpful. Thank you. I have read three fantastic books referencing Greg Mack so its all sketched in my mind. Anyway, I decided to work on grammatical errors on other peoples Wikipedia articles (just searching for spelling errors). Dr.McMillion (talk) 01:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Chinese governmental media as reference in a non-political article

So I used content from CGTN as a reference for a contribution of mine to an article. I was advised that CGTN is a deprecated source, however I used it in the context of a sports rule change, whose first implementation was to take place during the recent Winter Olympics in Beijing. It has nothing to do with Chinese governmental policies or propaganda. So I opted to use the content in question, and Wikipedia allowed the reference to be added to the article. Now I see that my reference has been edited out by a user named Amigao, who seems to have a history of editing conflicts with several other users, pertaining to references to Chinese governmental media. So is it wholly unacceptable for me to use this media as a source, regardless of the lack of political themes, or was Amigao's deletion of that reference excessive? Thanks. Link to edit in question= https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Figure_skating_rink&diff=prev&oldid=1180477857

Redacwiki (talk) 20:49, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Redacwiki, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Wikipedia" does not allow or reject anything: editors do so, either individually, or by consensus. Your original addition was "allowed" because no editor who saw it disagreed with it at the time (maybe nobody noticed it; maybe people saw it and weren't interested or concerned enough to check the reference; maybe people saw it, checked it, and thought it was OK. We can't tell). Subsequently, another editor came along, thought it wasn't suitable, and removed it.

All of this (your edit, and the other editor's reversion) were a perfectly normal part of how Wikipedia works. The next stage, according to WP:BRD, is for you to open a discussion on the article's talk page with that editor and any others who choose to get involved, to try and reach consensus. If you are unable to reach consensus, then WP:DR will tell you how to proceed. ColinFine (talk) 21:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Alternatively you could just find a non CGTN source that mentions the rule change, and re-add the content. Esolo5002 (talk) 01:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring

I am aware of an edit war that may happen in the Battle of Kannanur. An IP user is reverting the edits without giving proper explanation. I have created a section on the talk page and no one is responding to it. The misleading information in the article should be cleared. Ajayraj890 (talk) 01:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ajayraj890: You should report it to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring along with diffs of what the IP's been reverting. Cheers~ ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 03:44, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Information about actor Yuri Stoyanov Russia has no info about his contact page website or his personal agency

what to do if information about actor Yuri Stoyanov does not have info about his personal internet address, where to find him for contact instead all soliciting business I know that personally it is not his agenda but after there is second set of extortion somebody extorting complains to canadian security about cyber crimes what is that? sounds like somebody has agenda that has no grounds in reality or if there is it is not canadian business 2001:569:76C2:BD00:3CE7:5CE6:870A:A2BD (talk) 04:32, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a directory. As a general rule, you won't find contact information of anyone on here, particularly as that is a privacy violation. You must use other means to contact a public figure, for whatever purpose. Fermiboson (talk) 05:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

ChainGPT

I'm not quite sure what exactly to do with the article. The sources are nominally independent, but all non-RS cryptobro sources; mainstream sources give nothing. The article tone is promotional but I'm not sure how to unpromotionfy it without TNTing. Should it be brought to AfD, or could it be improved/modified somehow? Fermiboson (talk) 05:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Fermiboson: Thanks for bringing the article up. I removed the most promotional parts of the article which, as you mention, doesn't leave much left. I see a couple other users have tagged the article for issues. I don't follow crypto, so I don't know much about the sources being cited. If the sources are unreliable, primary, or very niche, AfD may be the best option. Do any non-crypto sources cover the ChainGPT? Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 07:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Conflict of interest and Code.org

I'm a bit nervous to edit the Code.org page. I'm a high school sophomore who's taking Computer Science Principles and our class uses Code. Does this automatically make me directly connected to them? Davest3r08 (^_^) ^(talk) 10:50, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Davest3r08: Go right ahead – I can't imagine anybody possibly complaining that you have a conflict of interest. For example, nearly everyone would have a COI with Google Search if simply using a website was cause for concern. Tollens (talk) 10:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Hard to find coi-less editors for computer ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

ps4 editors, it's your time to shine~! cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 12:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Davest3r08, you're good. I suspect that policy is intentionally vague to keep paid editors from finding a loophole. Instead of thinking of COI as "connected" you can think of it as having a stake in the subject. It is not a conflict of interest to have first-hand knowledge. It would be a conflict of interest to have a stake in something that a reasonable person would assume competes with or outweighs your volunteer editing on the encyclopedia. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 07:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Spectrum of the Seas

I'd like to update the the number of decks on the Spectrum of the Seas page, but the page is semi-protected. Jorgerine (talk) 07:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jorgerine: Because you are autoconfirmed, you should be able to edit semi-protected pages – have you attempted to save the edit? Tollens (talk) 08:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Marine Martin

hello, i need help for my draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Marine_Martin#Works i improved it and put a lot of corrections, remplace "victims" by "families cases" even if victim if the good way because the laboratory has been condamned, but i'm not sure "family cases" is the good word for it.... How can i submit my draft for validation ? thank you PantherMyrtille (talk) 09:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Status - Draft:Marine Martin was declined in February, exstensively revised by PantherMyrtille, and resubmitted. David notMD (talk) 09:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Re-using info box citations

With VisualEditor info box citations don't appear in the list of citations when Re-use is clicked. Is there any way using VE and/or Source editor a citation can be re-used so that the same number appears in the References list instead of a new number? Mcljlm (talk) 02:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mcljlm. With the current state of the Visual Editor there doesn't seem to be an easy way. Using the source editor is the way to do it for now. However, material that is in the article with references doesn't need to have a reference when reused in the infobox. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#References in infoboxes. StarryGrandma (talk) 02:41, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to that section StarryGrandma. That's a useful page generally. When reading Trisha Goddard to find out who she is I noticed the references in the infobox. Then I felt some edits would be useful (as often happens when I read an article). I've added to the text and deleted the references in the infobox. Mcljlm (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Mcljlm. I'm not very familiar with the VisualEditor, but perhaps WP:REFNAME will work in such cases. You might have use the Source editor for such citations. You might also want to ask about this at WT:VE. Perhaps nobody noticed this "issue" or perhaps others have experienced the same thing and a workaround was found. I'd check the WT:VE archives first, though, just in case someone did ask about this before. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Marchjuly. I couldn't see anything in the WT:VE archives specifically on this issue so I have asked if I should have been able to delete the references. Since one of them was in the References list as a citation for part of article's text it wasn't necessary. The other I deleted after using it as a citation for some text I added which should have been added over a year ago.

BTW your reply is preceded by (edit conflict); your reply was posted 5 minutes after StarryGrandma's. Perhaps (edit conflict) should be deleted since your reply doesn't conflict with SG's. Mcljlm (talk) 16:45, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mcljlm, if my explanation does not make sense please ask me to clarify:

• The VisualEditor will not parse 99% of templates. It treats them as chunks of text mostly.
• All infoboxes are created via templates.
• The VisualEditor has been rigged up to sort of render infobox templates, but it will not parse the references.
• If you place a reference within a template, including an infobox, the visual editor will not see it as a reference. (When editing a really big article in the VisualEditor and you'll usually notice that the reference count is slightly too low because of this.)
• For named references in templates, you can define them in the body text and then reuse them in template on VE. You cannot define them in the template, and reuse them in the body text.

I know it's a bit goofy, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 07:18, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't really understand everything Rjjiii but in the future if I want to add a reference to something in an article or expand an article based on/supported by an infobox reference I'll do what I did this time, based on StarryGrandma's "material that is in the article with references doesn't need to have a reference when reused in the infobox" - use it there and delete the infobox reference (or the other way round). Mcljlm (talk) 10:38, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: It's because the infoboxes are templates and the VisualEditor doesn't parse the references inside of templates. More details above ^ Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 07:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Why am I suddenly restricted to visual editor?

I went to edit an article today, got the "edit source" screen for a fraction of a second and then suddenly found myself in Visual Editor. I looked everywhere for the toggle to get me back into "edit source", but I couldn't find any. Has it been disabled for users, or maybe just for IPs? There was no notice given of any coming change. What is happening? 2001:BB6:47ED:FA58:A8C8:5738:DFD5:1831 (talk) 08:02, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. I feel your pain! However, there is a very easy way you can switch between the two editing tools. Just look for the sloping grey pencil icon on the far right end of either Editor Toolbar. Click that and you can switch back and forth between the editors.

It's really daft, but even for logged-in new users, they only get offered the one Tab for the Editing Tool that they last used, and not both of them side-by-side. It's very easy to change one's Preferences to "Show me both editor tabs" - but how would new users know that? It causes a lot of confusion, and it's something I try to highlight when I run online training sessions and Editathons.

Of course, as an IP editor who hasn't logged on, you don't get that option - but you can still switch between the two Editors, as described above. I hope this helps. Happy editing! Nick Moyes (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Nick Moyes. Thanks for the tip. There's really nothing intuitive about a sloping pencil, is there? But anyway, I'm happy now. And thanks for the sympathy. 2001:BB6:47ED:FA58:A8C8:5738:DFD5:1831 (talk) 11:37, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Article declined

Why was my article declined and the mistakes not highlighted? Dr.McMillion (talk) 14:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Dr.McMillion, welcome to the Teahouse. At the top of Draft:Greg Mack is a pink box which explains why your draft was declined and which gives links to further reading on tone, sources, etc. The reviewer also left an additional comment below the box, pointing out the improper use of external links (see WP:External links) and that the formatting is substandard. 57.140.16.27 (talk) 15:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Dr.McMillion, your draft is overtly promotional and reads like a hagiography. Promotional writing is not permitted on Wikipedia. The Neutral point of view is a core content policy. Also, external links do not belong in the body of the draft. Their use is restricted. Cullen328 (talk) 17:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I was devastated at first but now I understand. Can I link sources from Wikipedia in the body? By the way, I removed almost all the hyper links. This is harder than I thought. I have been working on this for months now. Also, I am trying to make it sound formal and that seems challenging. I wish I had additional editors to help. Dr.McMillion (talk) 18:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Greetings @Dr.McMillion, To help you out, I updated those section titles, added External links tag, and a few other updates. Perhaps you could take a look at article Bruce Aitken (radio host) as an example. It has no external links, but has the inline references. It is not a FA but something to give you ideas for the draft to be accepted, especially the WikiPedia writing style. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 19:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

OMG I'm just seeing this. Thank you. You are a genius! The example helped too. I guess I can add internal Wikipedia Hyper Link in the body right? Can you please look at it again before I delete anything else and before I include the internal Wikipedia hyper Links, please. Dr.McMillion (talk) 20:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Dr McMillion, Wikilinks are encouraged within an article, (but make sure you read the "Overlinking and underlinking" section of that page). ColinFine (talk) 20:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank You Dr.McMillion (talk) 21:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I'm going to give this article a rest and work on helping others with their articles and views some more Wiki training sources. Dr.McMillion (talk) 01:21, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Dr.McMillion, I see on your user page that you disclose I work with the Greg Mack Show. Does this indicate a "conflict-of-interest"? Asking if another editor here at Teahouse can review? Thanks, JoeNMLC (talk) 00:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

NO. I need to change that. I'm new to this. I will be Editing full time and writing books. Dr.McMillion (talk) 01:03, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Dr.McMillion, Thanks for clarifying. I am happy to see additional editors collaborating to improve the article. Extra sets of eyes can be helpful. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 12:21, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended language tag for "how your grandpa talks"?

I'm working on a translation and trying to list various names of a place in different languages. The article I'm translating refers to one name as coming from "outdated German" usage, and I'm not sure how to get that into the inline lang tag. It's currently {{lang-de|Laifserbach}}, but that kind of implies it's in common usage today, which may not be the case.

Is there an IETF language tag to denote dated or obsolete usage? Or should I just leave that name off the list? (If I should drop it, any suggestions on sources for finding out about the lang code, now that I've gone and gotten curious? I've tried to look it up here with no results.)

-- Photosynthetic430 ❧ 19:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I have never heard of such a modification to language tagging, and none is used for Danzig, Pressburg, Lemberg, or Memel. Note how each of the relevant articles points out (to the human reader) in some other way that the name is more or less archaic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.245.86.251 (talk) 20:24, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll check that out. Photosynthetic430 ❧ 18:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photosynthetic430 (talk • contribs)

Sorry to ask a question that must have been asked before, but ...

I came across the following in the Talk page for Anachronist: "You didn't submit it for review, you created it directly in article space. I made some minor changes." Elsewhere I have seen mentions of 'Draft' articles. I do not know where to look for these pathways to Article creation/modification. Please can you point me in the correct direction. Also if there is/are alternative approaches that you think I should consider, please let me know. I have already put concerns on a particular Article Talk page and will welcome guidance about what is a reasonable time to wait for any response? BlueWren0123 (talk) 10:17, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

BlueWren0123 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The easiest way to create a draft article and submit it for review is to use the Article Wizard. This automatically places the draft in Draft space and provides all information needed to submit it. There are manual ways to do it too, but the Wizard is the best means of submitting drafts. We do recommend that new users first gain experience and knowledge by spending time editing existing articles to learn how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content, as well as using the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia.

As for using article talk pages, it's usually a good idea to wait 5-7 days for a reply. If you have specific edits you wish to propose, you may mark them as formal edit requests(click for instructions) to draw attention to them. 331dot (talk) 10:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

To your second question, it appears this relates to BBC BASIC. The article itself gets about 60 visits per day, but the Talk page only a few per day. If you are sure that there are invalid references and so on, Wikipedia's guideline is WP:BRD, to wit, be bold in changing the article, but if Reverted, open a Discussion on the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

...just a small point worth highlighting: the article does actually have 58 people currently 'watching' it, and that number applies equally to changes to the Talk page, too. So any edit to either page will be flagged up to those having that article on their WATCHLIST. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes it is BBC BASIC. I have specific concerns about the references and I have given my assessment on many of those and I am prepared to be bold with them. Also I have concerns about the priorities given in the article to topics that are of interest to a subset of people (I include myself in this subset), instead of being directed to the general reader. I do not have the same confidence about making a wider change as I have myself found the existing content interesting.

I also have looked at the Article 'Acorn Archimedes'. I agree with the existing 'Too Long' assessment placed there. The section there about BASIC could be incorporated into BBC BASIC.

It is helpful to be given the 60/only a few visits indication. Should I/can I put something on the Article text to suggest that the Talk text has a proposal to make changes. BlueWren0123 (talk) 13:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@BlueWren0123 No, whatever you do, please never add anything to an article that links to something on a talk page. Interested watchers will see that; to anyone else using this encyclopaedia it would be a confusing irrelevancy. The only exception would be special templates at the top of the page linking to a deletion discussion, a merge discussion, or something similar. Thanks for asking. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Good advice. I hope not to confuse others. Confusing myself is usually sufficient. BlueWren0123 (talk) 19:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Feedback on draft article

Hi, I am writing a short article on a notable public figure and would love feedback on it before I submit it for review. Thanks. Here's the link: Draft:Bipin Adhikari. Researcher1206 (talk) 04:52, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. The subject is a professor at a notable instutiton, and hence is likely notable. However, we generally don't put bibliography or list of articles authored by the subject in the article itself, unless it has made a particular media impact. I would suggest that you remove them. Otherwise, the citations appear well written and the tone is encyclopaedic. Fermiboson (talk) 05:38, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Fermiboson: I believe you may have misunderstood NPROF – being a professor at a notable institution does not lead to a presumption of notability. There are numerous professors at notable institutions who do not meet the criteria for notability. They may still meet a criterion in WP:NACADEMIC or WP:GNG (I have not examined the sources in the article, so I cannot comment on whether this is the case). Tollens (talk) 06:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Apologies, I confused it with WP:PEOPLEOUTCOMES. Fermiboson (talk) 06:21, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Researcher1206, submitting the draft for review kinda is the feedback. If it's declined, you get to fix the issues and submit it again. The reviewer will probably leave a general comment from a template and a specific personal comment for how to improve the draft. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Trying to publish a new article, getting error message "No stashed content found" - Please advise!

Hello! I'm trying to publish my firstsubmission, and when I click the "publish" button I am getting error message - "Something went wrong No stashed content found for 0/21bda142-6d6d-11ee-8904-4cd98faf4b1d"

Please advise! Thank you! Leibowitz1959 (talk) 06:05, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Leibowitz1959: I'm guessing you're using the VisualEditor? The stash is a temporary save. It seems it has either been deleted or has expired, so there is no content to publish. As to why that might be, I've no idea. You may find more help at WP:VE. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I've seen this happen in cases where the editor has been left open for a very long time (24+ hours) – saving regularly should prevent this from happening in the future. Tollens (talk) 09:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, yes. Copy/paste your page – all of it – into a new editing tab (i.e., go to "Creating x" again, paste the content there) and click "publish changes". That should do it. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:15, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Is it against the rules to discuss things if your account isn't extended-confirmed

This page - Wikipedia:Arbitration/Active sanctions - seems to say that users cannot edit any articles related to the Israel-Palestine conflict if their account is not extended-confirmed. I am seeing some AFD discussions related to this topic that are extended-confirmed protected. Does this mean that other users can't discuss these topics on talk pages? That they can't participate in merge discussions, renaming discussions, or RFCs? This needs to be clear because otherwise, administrators can use it for selective enforcement. Kk.urban (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Kk.urban. The restrictions are spelled out at WP:ARBECR. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Wow. Kk.urban (talk) 22:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Inline link to a Commons image page, not the image itself

For talk-page, etc. purposes, I'd like to be able to produce a wiki link to a photo's Commons page without displaying the photo itself. Of course I can just do this, but is there also a way that doesn't make it an external link? [[File:Autumn_Color_-_panoramio.jpg|Photo]] just adds the image itself. Photosynthetic430 ❧ 18:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photosynthetic430 (talk • contribs)

You can use a colon like this: [[:File:Autumn_Color_-_panoramio.jpg|Photo]] results in Photo. Happy Editing, NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 18:30, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! -- Photosynthetic430 ❧ 19:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Photosynthetic430: File:Autumn Color - panoramio.jpg (with colon in front of the source text) links to the English Wikipedia which can display a file page for a Commons file but the system has some limitations, e.g. interface links missing or going to the wrong place. commons:File:Autumn Color - panoramio.jpg links to the file page at Commons. Some files (not this one) were uploaded to the English Wikipedia and have no Commons page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed user

I was trying to edit an article on Cool (aesthetic), but it seems only auto confirmed users can edit it. What is an autoconfirmed user and how do I become one? Pimlokto (talk) 13:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@pimlokto: an autoconfirmed editor is one who has at least a 4-day old account and 10 edits, which, erm, you have. ltbdl (talk) 13:58, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks mate~ Pimlokto (talk) 14:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

(ec) @Pimlokto: Click the grey lock symbol and it will take you to WP:SEMI, where you can find a link WP:AUTOCONFIRM, which explains what Autoconfirmed and confirmed users are. In short, autoconfirmed accounts are accounts at least four days old which have made at least ten edits to Wikipedia. --CiaPan (talk) 14:02, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the resources.~ Pimlokto (talk) 14:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Pimlokto: All users see a red warning box when editing protected pages. If you used an "edit" link and not a "view source" link then you can usually edit the page. If you cannot edit then the top looks different and you cannot make changes in the text area. You can log out if you want to see the difference. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:45, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Soccerway links

Hi,

I'm going through footballer stub articles (mainly Japanese and South Korean footballers) and I'm adding a little bit to them. I'm unsure how many soccerway links I should add. For example, I added the debut goal for a player when he scored for Jeonbuk, but not for Seoul E-Land. This is because I was reading one of my old wikipedia pages and someone had commented "Yet another Soccerway link" which made me think it was bad to add too many.

So, how many is too many? Thanks :) RossEvans18 (talk) 02:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Greetings @RossEvans18, for a while now, I have been de-orphaning footballer articles, many that are also stub articles. Thought to share this sources info. At Football links there are many article sources. My favorite Reliable sources are:

• WorldFootball.net – mostly, I search here first.
• FBRef Extensive coverage of club football in 47 countries (as at November 2020) as well as international competitions (this is the football offshoot of the highy-regarded baseball-reference.com).
• http://www.barryhugmansfootballers.com profiles all Football League players from 1946 to 2014/2015

I see that Soccerway.com is also listed but I'm not certain how reliable of a source? Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 13:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah my friend, thanks a lot! This is awesome, I didn't know about these sources :DD I'll be using these in the future! RossEvans18 (talk) 22:45, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ross, and welcome to the Teahouse. There isn't a "too many". Either soccerway is reliable (fo the information being cited) or it isn't. Discussions on WP:RSN mostly seem to reckon it as reliable, though the most recent is rather lukewarm.

If the editor who added the comment is still active, you might ask them to explain. ColinFine (talk) 13:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah ok, thank you! The original edit was potentially lost (I'm not sure if you can recover it) as it was on an article I made and then deleted a year or so later as it wasn't notable enough. But thank you, that really helps a lot :D RossEvans18 (talk) 22:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

RfC sentence bug

I can't provide a link to the page because I'm not sure if it breaks WP:publicizing discussion rules.

That being said, my RfC's short sentence describing what my RfC is about won't show up on the RfC list. I accidentally attached the proposed lead but changed it, yet the RfC description still won't show up. What can I do? PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 16:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@PHShanghai: I think that you're being overcautious about not providing a link. If you need help with anything, a link to the page where the problem occurs is always going to help. In this case, I assume that you refer to Talk:Kylie Minogue#RfC.

For any problem where an RfC isn't showing as expected at the RfC listing pages, you should first check that WP:RFCST was observed in full. If it was, wait one hour (as advised at RFCST) in case Legobot hasn't run yet. If the RfC still doesn't show, ask at WT:RFC. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I didn't know that Legobot updates like that, I made a mistake. Once again I apologize. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 00:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Something is wrong

I copied 3 lines from the article on Amrish Puri and added it to the article on Kundan Lal Saigal but it is not showing up after saving it. See this and correct it. Thanks! 2406:7400:98:84B8:C54:F3A2:6988:1684 (talk) 13:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

That's because the parameter 'relatives' is not included in the Template:Infobox musical artist. Your addition is shown in the source, but not in the actual article. The Amrish Puri article uses a different infobox template. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:15, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I was unable to fix it. I request someone to fix it.- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.205.149.14 (talk) 13:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

There is no easy way to get this to appear in the infobox. As explained before, the two articles use different types of infoboxes. One includes a place for adding relatives and other other does not. Consider adding this information to the article text. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 03:13, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

How do you properly nominate a page for deletion?

I recently noticed that the article for the village of Gakhal in Jalandhar, Punjab, India has very poor English, almost if it was made through Google Translate. I'm positively sure it meets the G1 criteria for speedy deletion. However, I do not know how to properly nominate an article for deletion without messing up (and risking on getting blocked for suspected vandalism, for some reason). Any help would be appreciated. SpotOnTheDot (talk) 20:52, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:G1, "This applies to pages consisting entirely of incoherent text or gibberish with no meaningful content or history. It does not cover poor writing" (Emphasis mine). I doubt the article would qualify under G1 because there is information, though uncited, possibly false, and poorly written. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 20:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

So, I guess all it needs is improvement in grammar and a few citations here and there. SpotOnTheDot (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

That would be my opinion. If it is impossible to find coverage of the subject from reliable sources establishing notability, you could try WP:AfD, but only after verifying that the article is eligible for deletion. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 21:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I've done a copyediting sweep and added a bunch of tags. I'll fix the bare urls "when I feel like it". Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @SpotOnTheDot: you may wish to check out WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP and/or WP:DINC. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Multi-URL citation help

The first reference of 2023 Rolling Fork–Silver City tornado is a unique one. The finalized damage survey from NOAA (publisher)/NCEI (author agency) is broken up by county. This tornado happen to cross into four counties, so that reference is made up of four individual URL citations (each with a unique URL/archived URL). Is there a better or more proper way to do that citation besides what I already did for it? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:47, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @WeatherWriter. That looks fine and is easy to understand. See Wikipedia:Citing sources#Bundling citations for examples, one of which is the way you did it. StarryGrandma (talk) 07:01, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Sexism on Wikipedia

Why do people assume editors on Wikipedia are male? Males and females are equally likely to use the internet, and Wikipedia is one of the most popular websites. If males and females are reading Wikipedia the same amount, it should be assumed that they're equally likely to edit it. Maybe women are just less likely to involve themselves with the byzantine politics here. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:01, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe the overwhelming majority of Wikipedia editors are male. I feel like that is documented somewhere but I don't know where off the top of my head. 331dot (talk) 17:05, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Most Wikipedia editors don't use accounts so you can't know that. Females may be less likely to answer surveys. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

A good scientific survey would typically account for some declining to respond. I feel like you are trying to make a larger point here, what is it? 331dot (talk) 17:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

People are rude to new users, use male pronouns by default, and make decisions by who is the loudest. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

We can only address you by a pronoun if we know what one you would like to be addressed as. Otherwise we have to use something. With an IP that's even harder as anyone can be using it- with an account, your first post can be "please address me as she/he/they.

If you have grievances with how a decision is made, and/or a decision has violated policies, there are proper forums to address that. 331dot (talk) 17:23, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I try to avoid using a gendered pronoun unless it's clear which one to use. But I'm human, I slip up. It happens. 331dot (talk) 17:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I consider "they/them" as a placeholder pronoun until the true pronouns are known. Cwater1 (talk) 22:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't have an answer to your question but you may be interested in WP:Wikipedians/Demographics, Gender bias on Wikipedia#Causes, and WP:Sexism on Wikipedia (I'm sure there are more pages, but these are the ones I remember). Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:07, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, all of what Sue Gardner said is true. Editing here is mostly about being aggressive which makes it male-dominated. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Why do you assume that's what "people assume"? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

What do you exactly mean about editing "being aggressive"? NotAGenious (talk) 17:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

People who are aggressive are more likely to get their way. 2601:644:907E:A450:74BE:D719:24C3:5B57 (talk) 17:53, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

In response to the initial post, I'm female, I have been editing just over a year.

Before I created an account, I spent a lot of time reading the noticeboards etc to get a better idea of what the common problems/complaints with editors were, how they were addressed and how policy was implemented. It never once occurred to me that I would be in a minority (below 15%) of editors being female. I didn't get the impression that there was a problem with sexism/misogyny, the obvious problem (to me) seemed to be that there was/is some gender bias towards our trans community.

What I do see is bias from the media and reporting on female topics which makes it difficult, outside of the influencer sphere, to create well referenced articles on female subjects. This is especially difficult for historic female subjects.

The only time I've experienced sexism is the rare times it's been assumed I'm male. This is often a cultural thing. It doesn't bother me. In the fast paced world of live editing, not everyone is going to hunt through my user page to look for my gender. I would rather people used they/them then addressing me as Sir but I don't take offence, I just correct them. Maybe that's down to personal experience as I have always worked in a male dominated environment and was the 6th female in the country to do my job so, maybe I'm just used to it?

TL:DR? I've rarely experienced any sexism here, there is a problem with articles on female subjects. Sexism does exist on Wikipedia, to what extent? I'm not sure. Knitsey (talk) 17:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Knitsey. If anything, enwiki is less sexist than most internet forums (which is admittedly a low bar). The only major sexism I've seen has come from random vandals and trolls, not constructive editors. While there are occasional minor issues involving misgendering and assumption that one is male, such events are rare (and can generally be avoided by listing one's pronouns). Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Some people get pissed off at singular they too, there is no perfect solution. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I believe there a lot of women who are Wikipedia editors, and never thought it was unusual for me (a she/her) to spend a lot of time volunteering here. The only thing that seems to show sexism is an occasional person will begin a Teahouse post with "Dear Sirs" or some other greeting that appears to show the writer is only interested in getting advice from males. When I read Dear Sirs I read no further, thinking "nope, that person doesn't want my input." Karenthewriter (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

On a more practical note, editors with accounts can specify their gender (or preference for gender-neutral terms) at Special:GlobalPreferences. By also setting Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets to use the WP:POP gadget, you can see the gender that other editors have set merely by hovering over their username in Talk Pages and elsewhere. This makes it easy to refer to people as they would wish you to do. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Some people have assumed I'm female. Some have assumed I'm male. I don't care. HiLo48 (talk) 09:49, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

It can be hard to tell. On Wikipedia, we don't or at least shouldn't discriminate based on gender, race and identify. Cwater1 (talk) 17:22, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Same. I've left my pronouns as "they" because it doesn't matter (at least to me). Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

People who are aggressive are more likely to get their way. It's not supposed to be about 'getting one's way', it's about following rules, guidelines, disciplines......sadly there will always be vehement, opinionated editors who devote much time to engaging in drama boards, and I have had to absent myself from mainstream due to this. Male, 10 year ex-named Wikipedian.--82.13.47.210 (talk) 11:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

DRAFT: NORMA JEAN

Draft:Norma Jean

Asking for reviews of this page -- it's been rewritten in formal tone; reference to paid coding is removed as no one is getting paid for this; added two new movie reviews that mention her by name Angelagh (talk) 20:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh dear, this shows a blissful ignorance of the distinction between encyclopedia article and PR puff.1.33.56.248 (talk) 20:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

For example

• has established herself as an accomplished actress and comedienne, translated into non-PR-speak, reads is an actress and comedienne.
• Norma Jean Lowe has achieved significant recognition in her field, and Her indomitable spirit and ambition became evident from a young age, translated into non-PR-speak, both read: "".

Added to which there are almost no inline citations. I can't see either of the ones that there are, but the Costa Mesa Playhouse one is obviously not independent, and thus is worthless for an encyclopaedia article, and unless the New York Daily News has a lot more about her than the LA Times review you list in the "External links" section, it is equally worthless.

If you study WP:YFA carefully, you will see that your very first job, a year ago, was to find several independent, reliable sources containing significant coverage of Jean; because if you cannot find any then she does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and all work you have put into this draft since will have been wasted. ColinFine (talk) 20:31, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Amazing. 1.33.56.248 (talk) 20:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Rewrite this completely. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:02, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I made it more article like in format, but everything needs to be referenced. David notMD (talk) 22:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

What Edward-Woodrow says. Sample: Post-high school, Norma Jean Lowe commenced her acting journey at a Community Theater and gradually ascended to leading roles in four significant productions with the Little Theater of Watertown, New York. Her career also includes noteworthy supporting roles in both television and film. In the domain of comedy, she masterfully portrays "Smokin' Bev," a satirical character inspired by her own opinionated and occasionally provocative mother. "Commenced her acting journey" → "started acting". According to which reliable sources were the productions significant, the roles noteworthy, the portrayal masterful, the mother opinionated or provocative? But there's a bigger problem than PR-speak: little or no indication of notability. -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Right. Here's how to at least improve the excerpt that Hoary gave:

After high school, Lowe started acting at a community theatre and later played the leading roles in four major productions with the Little Theatre of Watertown, New York. She has also been cast in supporting roles in television and film. She has also portrayed Smokin' Bev, a satirical character inspired by her own mother. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Restored PAID to creating editor's User page, as stated in an Edit summary at Talk, expects to be paid if the draft is accepted. David notMD (talk) 12:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Font size in tables

Is a reduced font size acceptable for clarity purposes in a table with a large number of columns? If so, what is considered a maximum acceptable size reduction, assuming no compromise in readability? DMBanks1 (talk) 18:10, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1 That isn't a good solution because of variety in the devices readers may use to read tables. Automated horizontal scroll bars are preferred. See Help:Table#Width and Help:Table/Width. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:41, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: I appreciate that reading tables on smaller devices can be a challenge. However, reading a table that has over 20 columns is equally challenging on a laptop without some font reduction (say to the infobox font size). Is there a command that can shrink a table down to that font size? DMBanks1 (talk) 21:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Font size. In many tables there are ways to reduce column width without reducing font size. If you have a specific table in mind then please link it. Always try to be specific when you ask for help. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: If the cell content length triggers the column width, surely reducing the column width would cause the cell content to wrap onto the next line, which is even more problematic. DMBanks1 (talk) 22:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: It's sometimes less problematic and there are other possible methods for some tables but you still haven't revealed the table of interest. And please don't ask me to describe every conceivable method and which tables they might be applied to. If you want help with something in a specific page then always link the page. Don't even think about whether the specific link is relevant. Always link the page. We waste a lot of time on posters who conceal which page they have a problem with. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: This specific question does not relate to a specific problem page, so I cannot provide it. Rather, I am seeking to develop an optimal strategy for the future. If you know of any table templates that better handle larger numbers of columns, please let me know. DMBanks1 (talk) 23:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: I'm not going to spend time on hypotheticals which might never be used, or might be applied to tables where they make things worse. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I take it you cannot help me identify any table that is more suited to handling a larger number of columns. DMBanks1 (talk) 23:32, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: I'm not making further posts unless you ask about a specific linked table. Don't ping me again without that. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Rather than continuing to repeat myself can anyone else help me find an example of a table template having a large number of columns. DMBanks1 (talk) 00:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: People still need to read the text in the columns. Many readers, especially the older folks, can have difficulty reading small text. Making text small in the way you describe is discouraged, and making text less than 85% of the default is prohibited (MOS:SMALLTEXT). When you run into issues with a specific table, feel free to come back for specific advice. Take care, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 07:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Thank you for your insights. Being a senior myself, I find tech stuff generally baffling. Consequently, I rely on copying, pasting and adapting the innovations of others in WP. However, I have not to date come across an example of satisfactorily resolving the question I raised. If the use of an 85% font size in a table is not an acceptable practice, I guess I am asking a question for which there is no answer. DMBanks1 (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Whopper Whopper

Hello, Teahouse. Today my question is: specifically for the page Whopper Whopper (an internet meme/advertisement) the tag at the top is (not to be confused with: Whopper) when I believe it would be more fitting to say (See also: Whopper), as it is under the same subject umbrella, and it is technically referring to the same thing: a whopper. I cannot find a template that says (see also:), even after searching through the template index. Could somebody please link the template/ tell me that the template doesn't exist? Best regards, Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 14:56, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Like Template:See also? NotAGenious (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 15:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

"Keep me logged in" does work no longer

Since a while, I get logged out all along. Though I check that box. Why does that happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sambirano (talk • contribs) 13:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

This is probably a browser issue. Do you have it set to delete cookies when the browser is closed? Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sambirano: there's a feature which logs you out of everywhere if you logout from one place. There is also the cookie issue like Shantavira said - "keep me logged in" doesn't work with private browsing for that reason. —usernamekiran (talk) 23:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for hints! In deed, it was a cookie issue. In Firefox ESR I had to add https://wikidata.org as allowed exeption under Privacy & Security-> Manage Exeptions->Allow. I had already allowed https://wikipedia.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sambirano (talk • contribs) 15:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Translating a page with the proper graphic design

I have translated a page from German to English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forchheim_am_Kaiserstuhl

Unfortunately, I do not understand how to put the graphics properly in place. Which possibilities are there to get a step-by-step help with that? I guess that is what is meant by VisualEditor. I have read about it, but understand too little. Thanks for any help. Roland Ernst Futterer (talk) 18:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Roland, and welcome to the Teahouse.

First, I don't see anywhere where you have attributed the material you translated from de-wiki. Attribution is a requirement of the CC-BY-SA licence: see Translation.

Second, I'm not certain what you mean by "the graphics". If you mean images, then they will be hosted either on Commons or on German Wikipedia. If they are on Commons, you can use them directly in en-wiki: go to the image's details page in Commons (you may need to click through for example "Zur Beschreibungsseite auf Commons" from de:Datei:Forchheim, Kirche St. Johannes Baptista2.jpg to get to Commons:File:Forchheim, Kirche St. Johannes Baptista2.jpg) and there is a link "Einbinden" at the top which gives you the string to insert into a Wikipedia article. If an image is not on Commons, but hosted on de-wiki, you will need to download it to your computer, and then upload it to Commons or to en-wiki yourself.

But before worrying about images, the article is very weak on sources. There are only a couple of sources cited, and I think they are cited only in the infobox, so essentially all of the text is unreferenced. Finding reliable (and preferably independent) sources for the information in the article is hundreds of times more important than adding images. Please see WP:REFB for information on referencing. ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello Colin, thanks a lot for your swift answer and the instructions I will try to follow. Decided to start to improve my skills also by joining one of the Open Editing group here in Berlin. Roland Ernst Futterer (talk) 21:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Roland Ernst Futterer, two things: (1) You'll find that German Wikipedia is often very similar to English in its syntax, just with a few translations. If you take the original references to images and change "Datei" to "File" it will very often work, but check the other parameters too, such as zentriert for centered. I find it quite helpful to have a look at the behind-the-scenes code for a well-formatted, pre-existing English article on a subject similar to that which I'm translating. (2) You'll find that the German wikipedia often uses general referencing, with a reference section at the end of the article that doesn't make it clear exactly what information came from which reference, and few (if any) inline citations. Technically this is permissible in en-wikipedia too, but you may have an uphill battle convincing the English community. Be prepared to encounter AfC reviewers and new page patrollers who expect inline citations. Elemimele (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Short question about edit filter

Hello friends,

I'm current working on a new article about John Rocke (1817-1881), banker and ornithologist. It's not my first article. I have been working here for quite some years now. When I want to save my work (a bit more than 4 pages in my text-editor), I get two messages:

• "An automated filter has detected that you are adding a link to a deprecated source" etc.
• "An automated filter has identified this edit as containing references to one of the following blogging / web host platforms" etc.

My question is:

• how can I find out which specific source(s) is/are detected as "deprecated"; and
• what source(s) is/are identified as "blogging"?

by the automated filter? Is there a special page where I can find this?

Many thanks for helping me out, --Dick Bos (talk) 13:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

a) The filter log shows you tried to use Blogspot as one of your sources; b) to learn whether a given source is deprecated, try asking on WP:RS/N. DS (talk) 14:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for this quick respons, @ User:DragonflySixtyseven. I decided to publish the text, and at the same time, dropped a question at the place you mentioned. I hope to get some response soon. I also mentioned the possible unreliability of the source at the talk page. Thanks again, --Dick Bos (talk) 16:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Merge discussion

How do you get a merge discussion started? 2605:B40:1303:900:A0E1:7DCB:3582:9C6F (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You can find information and guidance on how this process operates at WP:MERGE. regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding interlude songs to disambiguation pages

I'm going through some of my favorite albums and added their songs to disambiguation pages, and I was wondering if interlude songs would be eligible for them. For example, "Jonestown (Interlude)" from Post Malone's very popular album Beerbongs & Bentleys is not on the disambiguation page of Jonestown. Just wondering, thanks! Rockboy1009 (talk) 18:56, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Rockboy1009. I'm not into music very heavily, but I don't see why that proposal shouldn't be made. Providing it's a track on a notable album, then linking to that page makes sense. As happens with this track it would need to be mentioned in the target article, just as already exists with this entry:

• "Jonestown", a composition by Frank Zappa from Boulez Conducts Zappa: The Perfect Stranger

I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Notable people section

Article I'm improving: Morgan Hill, California

I'm currently improving this article, but I have one question: does the notable people section only include people who have born or lived in Morgan Hill, California, and not those who are associated with the city? Thanks, Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 16:51, 21 October 2023 (UTC).

Welcome to the Teahouse, TrademarkedTarantula. Providing either the target page about that person explicitly mentions their association with Morgan Hill, or you can cite a Reliable Source which allows that connection to be verified, then there is no problem adding their name to the list of notable people. The association needs to be a good and strong one of course.

If uncertain, you could discuss this on that article's talk page to get consensus from other editors.

Or you could just BE BOLD! Nick Moyes (talk) 19:32, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Wrong article - Treaty of Lubowla

Hello, I am an "inexperienced" user so I can't edit English pages. However, I found a page, which has wrong content. The article's name is Treaty of Lubowla, but its content is about a different topic, even though they relate to each other. The page's content is about Spiš pledge, about which page does not exist, but it is mentioned for example in Eldership of Spisz or Province of 13 Szepes Towns.

The Treaty of Lubowla was basically a peace treaty signed in Lubowla on March 15, 1412 between the King of Poland, Władysław Jagiełło, and the King of Hungary and Germany, Sigismund of Luxembourg.

The Spiš pledge (in other languages Spisz/Zips) was a pledge from November 8, 1412 to November 9, 1772 - in exchange for a loan of sixty times the amount of 37,000 Prague groschen, the Hungarian crown pawned 16 rich salt-producing towns in the area of Spiš, as well as a right to incorporate them into Poland until the debt is repaid.

The paragraph above is mentioned in Treaty of Lubowla and that's the whole problem. The author probably confused these two events, because they both happened in the same year and are about the same area. I suggest copying the Treaty of Lubowla page content (as it is really nicely written), and pasting it to the Spiš pledge page, which does not exist yet. Also, there are both pages of these topics made in the Polish language, so you can make the newly made Spiš pledge page as a translation of the Polish one (by the way, you can see the contrast of Polish and English articles about the Treaty of Lubowla, the Polish one is about the actual treaty and English one is about the pledge). Ikpatius (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ikpatius, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry for the long wait for a reply. Probably like most Teahouse hosts here, I'm not qualified to comment on the specifics of that article, or any misunderstanding there may be. So I can neither agree with the point you make, nor disagree with your proposal. But I hope the approach I'm going to recommend will, at least, make some sense.

Firstly, I suggest going to Talk:Treaty of Lubowla and repeating this post with your concerns over there, and the proposal you are recommend making. It would immensely help if you could include links to any external sources to support your rationale.

If you are saying that the content of the page entitled Treaty of Lubowla is fundamentally correct - but is simply mistitled - then rather than copying it to a new article somewhere else, it's far better that your proposal should be simply to change the name of the current article by a process explained at this page. (Technically, we don't actually rename pages, we 'move' them, leaving a redirect behind from the old title.)

We would normally wait a week or so to get input from other editors who watch that page to see if they agree, or can offer a counter proposal. If there's no response, one can simply BE BOLD and go ahead. Unfortunately, when I went to its 'View history' Tab and then clicked 'Pageviews', I can see that there are so few page watchers that their number is listed as 'unknown' (i.e very few indeed!)

So, to get more 'eyes' on the topic and on your proposal, I would also go to one or more of the relevant WP:WIKIPROJECTS which you can find listed at the top of the article's talk page and alert other editors interested in Polish topics to your concerns. In this case, WikiProject Poland.

Start a new Topic at that project's talk page (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland) But, rather than repeating your concerns in detail on there (which then means there would be two potential places for discussions to take place - which gets rather messy), simply start a new topic and briefly explain the issue and say that there is a discussion taking place at Talk:Treaty of Lubowla to rename the article, and invite interested editors to participate in discussions on that page.

We work by consensus here, so hopefully, you will have presented a good enough argument to persuade other editors that your proposal has merit. If it gets it, a more experienced editor could ranme the article with our 'Move' process. If you get consensus, but nothing happens, then come back here and ask someone to rename/move the page per that discussion.

I'm pinging @Maproom into this reply as I see they've kindly offered some help to you on your talk page already, and may wish to know what I have recommended.

My apologies for the long-winded reply, but I hope it makes a modicum of sense to you as a new user here, and that it gets you on the way to resolving the issue you've so thoughtfully raised here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response and your time. But yes, to be honest, this all seems a bit too complicated for a very new user like I am. Basically, with that post I just wanted to contact some main editor, whose work is to solve articles which have false information. I didn't know that Wikipedia is so complicated like this. However, when I'm going to have a bit more free time, I can of course write on that talk page and then write even to the WikiProjects, as I have a lot of external sources. Even the Wiki pages in other languages about these two topics (mainly the Polish, Slovak and Czech ones), are somewhat a good evidence of the English article being wrong (even tho the Russian one about the treaty is wrong too since it is just translated from the English one). But once again, sincerely, thank you for your long and informative response. Ikpatius (talk) 22:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Report repeat source spam/advertising?

Can someone point me to where to report this?

The same website (cdkexplained.co.uk) keeps getting inserted into articles, primarily Chronic kidney disease, but also Renal Association and Focal segmental glomerulosclerosis. They're all from very similar IPv6 addresses (same prefix), and sometimes they're being inserted from the same IP even after revert. Some of the IPs:

• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:2537:CD75:2B52:3458
• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:F55D:F5BD:804D:8E49
• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:A058:89EA:D03F:25CE
• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:456:6582:8A5C:5263
• 2A00:23C6:4211:8D01:135:91DB:6831:403F

Kimen8 (talk) 22:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

You can report spammed URLs at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. MrOllie (talk) 22:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Article completeness

when submitting an article, does it actually matter if its complete or not? People can always go and add their applied sources and words. I mean in terms of information, I can take care of the citations part.

Were talking about a concert wiki page. Like the summary and overview.

some more context: Draft:The Jackson 5 Second National Tour Thealt3786 (talk) 00:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thealt3786, articles are assumed to be incomplete. (Very occasionally, I encounter an article that appears perfect, but a later and better-informed reader might notice lacunae.) What's important is that a draft says enough both to make it clear that the subject is notable and also to be worth reading, and that what it says is clearly backed up with reliable sources. At that point, the draft can be promoted to article status. Worthwhile (nontrivial), well-referenced additions can be made thereafter.

That said, Draft:The Jackson 5 Second National Tour needs more work. Let's consider one short paragraph (after markup-stripping):

On Wednesday January 20th ,1971, Mayor Richard Hatcher, the 16th mayor of Gary, Indiana proclaim proclaimed Jackson Street to be Jackson 5 Boulevard for the week of January 25 - to 31, 1971, while the brothers perform performed 2 houses of benefit concerts on January 31th 31st for the Mayor's re-election campaign. They also receive received the keys to the city of Gary, Indiana.

But I'm still puzzled by the notion of performing two houses of concerts. (Performing two concerts? Performing concerts at two theaters?) And what's the source for receiving the keys to Gary? -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

2 houses meaning two concerts at the same venue Thealt3786 (talk) 01:21, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

How to delete a redirect on Wikipedia?

Seawoods-Darave railway station is now a redirect to Seawoods–Darave railway station (notice the difference in the lengths of the dashes). But the redirect itself is the real and actual way of writing the railway station's name! I wanted to change the name of the article to "Seawoods-Darave railway station" (notice the shorter dash), but I couldn't since that name is now a redirect. I am now required to delete the redirect to change the name of the article. I would be pleased if someone could offer me help regarding this. MMJ TheIndianWikiFreak (talk) 13:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

MMJ TheIndianWikiFreak, that's what the MOS: prescribes, Wikipedia:Manual of Style#In article titles. Cabayi (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. But that is when the title is NOT a proper noun. Seawoods-Darave is a proper noun. Just look at the picture in the article's infobox. That hyphen is part of the official name of the railway station and the neighbourhood. MMJ TheIndianWikiFreak (talk) 03:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Robert Goulet Discography

How Many Studio albums, Live albums, Compilation albums, Singles, Soundtrack albums, Box sets, Notable archival projects did Robert Goulet Had? Samchristie05 (talk) 05:52, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Look in the article "Robert Goulet", Samchristie05. -- Hoary (talk) 06:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for Review of Draft: Elvish Yadav

I am writing to request a review of the draft article Draft_talk:Elvish_Yadav#Review. Unfortunately, this draft has not yet received a review.

Furthermore, the draft Draft:Elvish Yadav is administrator-protected, making it unavailable for acceptance and publication into the main space. This protection status means that most reviewers on WP:AfC are unable to review it.

I kindly request that an experienced Wikipedia editor or administrator with the appropriate privileges assist in reviewing and potentially moving the draft to the main space if it meets the necessary criteria. 103.251.217.233 (talk) 04:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I think you've been given poor advice here, sorry. Elvish Yadav was salted by Lectonar, so that's who ought to be asked about unprotecting the page. But I expect they won't do that for anyone other than an AfC reviewer who want to accept the draft. -- asilvering (talk) 06:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd recommend removing the line Certainly, here's a request formatted according to Wikipedia guidelines from your LLM output. Tollens (talk) 06:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Labuan Kwang Fook Kwong Temple was built in 1852, NOT 1952

Hi, It's been some time since I edited anything. Please edit the DATE of when the oldest CHinese temple on Labuan Island (Sabah), KWANG FOOK KWONG was built (in 1852). NOT 1952. Josephine Manjaji (talk) 04:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Josephine Manjaji, and welcome to the Teahouse! I can't seem to find the page you're talking about – would you be able to provide the exact title? Tollens (talk) 06:51, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Move Page

Hello, Teahouse. My question is: I created a page for the Italian videogame "Saturnalia", but I forgot to add "(videogame)" at the end of the project name. Saturnalia is also a roman fest so it can be confusing. I searched online and apparently I have to use the "move" tool, but I don't see it anywhere. Could somebody please help me? Best regards! Von Brick (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Von Brick. Please request the move by going to this page. You do not have the abillity to move pages yet. That will come when your account is 4 days old and you have 10 edits. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:33, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Von Brick, as you've only submitted a draft it's a bit of a different process. Reviewers move drafts to the mainspace so they become articles if they are accepted, and can re-name them as part of that process, so I've added a note to the top of your draft. Qcne (talk) 15:49, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Understood! Thank you both! Von Brick (talk) 09:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

IP question

Hello friends or strangers...-Greetings from Constantine...-Blesses from SeaToad...-again... 109.242.137.246 (talk) 12:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Helo IP editor. Welcome to the Tehouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia that you need help with? That's what we're here for. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Information about other wikipedias article creation

I was poking around on some articles I had created back in 2021/22 yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to see some of them now enjoy translations on other language Wikipedias. However, to my knowledge I have no way of knowing when an article that I have either created, or is on my watchlist is introduced to a new language Wikipedia without manually clicking through them all and reviewing the language bar.

Is there a way to get notifications for when an article (either created by the user, or on the users watchlist) is introduced onto a new Wikipedia, as Wikipedia does have notifications for when a link is made to an article you have created? sovietblobfish (talk) 10:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sovietblobfish. You can alter many of the default types ways you receive notifications by going to the 'Notifications' tab in your Preference settings. I wasn't aware of notifications being sent if an article you created or are watching is translated into another language. However, I see there is a setting for 'Translations', but this only appears to relate to articles you have translated via the 'Content Translation Tool'. I've had a few of my articles translated into other languages and don't remember ever seeing a notification, despite having the box for that ticked in my own preferences. I would certainly be a nice thing to be informed about, but I don't think we ever are! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:43, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

ah, that's a shame :( but thank you :) sovietblobfish (talk) 15:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

deleting file

I uploaded a file and now there is a problem with the  license which is not compatible with Commons. So, should I take it down? How to do that? Vkworth (talk) 17:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vkworth: For questions about commons, ask at commons help desk: c:Commons:Help_desk RudolfRed (talk) 19:42, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Vkworth: I think you're talking about c:File:12th Century Romsey Abbey in Hampshire.jpg. It got deleted because the licence isn't compatible with Commons. Please read c:Commons:Flickr files and c:Commons:Licensing before proceeding to upload any more files. Thank you, — MATRIX! (a good person!)^{[Citation not needed at all; thank you very much!]} 15:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Archiving a talk page

I added the archive template code to Talk:PC Card, but not everthing got archived. Why? How do I archive the remaining posts? PhotographyEdits (talk) 15:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@PhotographyEdits well.. you have configured it to keep 5 threads on the page (minkeepthreads), which it did. It will automatically archive the older threads when there are 2 newer threads (minarchthreads) (if age isn't an issue). – robertsky (talk) 16:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Do translations violate copyright?

Hello, I have a question! When editing an article and using sources in languages other than English, is the act of close paraphrasing or literal translation a derivative work and thus original enough for the holder of the copyright be the editor of the translation or would this be a copyright infringement? Many thanks. The Blue Rider 20:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, The Blue Rider. In the US, a translation is a derivative work. There's a decent guide on the commons here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Derivative_works It contains this quote from the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976: "A derivative work is a work based upon one or more pre-existing works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted." Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:54, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Filter - predatory open access journal

I don't know if this is the place to ask, but I just added some material to British possession (an article I have been writing) and this seems to have tripped some kind of filter for a "predatory open access journal". I'm pretty sure that wasn't the University of Toronto Law Journal article from 1937, but what about the International law Research? Is that a "predatory open access journal"? The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 19:14, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@The wisest fool in Christendom: That's Special:AbuseFilter/891, which filters primarily against DOI numbers added in article space, and also some URLs. In this case it was triggered by cssenet.org, which hosts International Law Research. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist does that mean the journal is no good? Should I remove it? (It isn't critical anyway.) The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 21:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@The wisest fool in Christendom: It might mean that. Basically a predatory journal is "pay to publish", meaning they'll publish anything for payment, and there is little actual in-depth peer review. There's always a chance that such a journal actually has a good paper in it, but you need to consider, if the paper is any good, why not publish it somewhere else?

Yes, I think it would be best to remove it, if it isn't critical to the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist Thanks for that guidance. I have removed it. The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 21:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Should I add a photo of a High School to its Wikipedia page, and if so, how?

I took this photo of Vandegrift High School. Curious if anyone could tell me if, how and where to put it in the article. I was looking around, and couldn’t find any pages that talked about this in specific. Thanks a bunch! Slamforeman (talk) 21:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Slamforeman. If you look at the image file page, you will see a "W" Wikipedia icon followed by a link that says "Use this file" That will open a window that generates two snippets of wiki code. Copy the first snippet, and paste it into the appropriate place in the wiki code for the high school article, and publish your changes. Cullen328 (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Slamforeman: To put it in the article is a useful thing to do. Just copy the file name (without the "File:" prefix), go to the article, click "edit" at the top of the page, and paste the file name in the |image= field of the infobox. Deor (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify, Cullen328's instructions work if you want to insert the image elsewhere than in the infobox. In this case, though, I think putting it in the infobox is preferable, since no image currently appears there. Deor (talk) 22:07, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I have gone through with what you have said. There was an alert about “undocumented parameters” but I removed it and it seems to have gone fine. Hope this was the right thing to do. Thank you both. Slamforeman (talk) 22:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

time

Is there anyway to make text update as time passes? like some code? (ex. 1967 to today = 53 years, in a few years change automatically into, for example 1967 to today = 68 years ) Nameclips (talk) 23:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nameclips: Yes, there is {{Time ago}} that does that. There are some other templates linked from that page that do similar things for ages. RudolfRed (talk) 23:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! test >>> 0 seconds ago Nameclips (talk) 23:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Military awards: tables or lists?

A general question, for military awards, should they be presented in a list format (i.e. Sayidiman Suryohadiprojo#Awards), or in a visual layout format of what's pinned on the left and right breasts (i.e. Hassanudin#Awards and decorations or Mark Milley#Awards and decorations)? The latter seems to be a departure from MOS:TABLES which discourages the use of tables for visual layout. Or there a RfC that overrides this guideline for this use case?

Relevant discussion at User talk:Elfath1421 (pinging @Elfath1421 as well for awareness). – robertsky (talk) 12:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Robertsky I have previously asked on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history (see here), accessibility and visibility is affected also. JASWE (talk) 02:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

missing in the Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams Article?

what missing in the Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams Article? Samchristie05 (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 16:25, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Samchristie05, I'm not sure what you are asking, could you rephrase? Qcne (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

About What Missing in Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams article cause it been declined approved? Samchristie05 (talk) 17:18, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Samchristie05. Draft:Del Shannon Sings Hank Williams needs more reliable sources to demonstrate that it meets notability guidelines. You can see the relevant guideline at WP:NALBUM. gobonobo ^{+ c} 17:25, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobo I did 3 description from sources , 3 sentences from Album Review in AllMusic what else? Samchristie05 (talk) 17:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Samchristie05 You could ask one of the reviewers who declined the draft what they're looking for. Here's an article in LA Times and a book source you could use. gobonobo ^{+ c} 18:02, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobohope it's work cause i just hit summit apporved Samchristie05 (talk) 22:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobo Hopes it's works cause i just hit resummit approves Samchristie05 (talk) 22:16, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Samchristie05 Unfortunately, your recent addition added word-for-word text from the LA Times article without attribution. This is a copyright violation and will need to be addressed before the article is approved. gobonobo ^{+ c} 00:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobo can you explain what i did? Samchristie05 (talk) 00:14, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Samchristie05 Sure. You copied text from the LA Times article and used it in your draft. The sentences that start with "When Del Shannon scored his signature..." and "His trademark falsetto is perfectly..." are both copyright violations. It looks as if other passages in the article have been copied from the Rising Storm review as well. These will need to be removed or rewritten in your own words. gobonobo ^{+ c} 00:46, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

so i changed from When Del Shannon sorced his signature to when he orced his signature, and his trademark salsetto is perfectly to it's perfectly and i'm going to remove The Rising Storm Review, @Gobonobo Samchristie05 (talk) 02:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

This is probably a browser issue. Do you have it set to delete cookies when the browser is closed? User:Clarita1000|^{feed me} — Preceding undated comment added 17:39, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Is this article notable?

I'm currently in the process of improving my first article: Mushroom Mardi Gras Festival. Unfortunately, it was tagged for notability because it did not have "national sources". However, this is a festival with local interest, meaning that it's rare for a newspaper like the NYT to notice this, while a local newspaper (e.g. The Morgan Hill Times) writes about it all the time. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 06:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula I would find that argument convincing, but the NYT isn't cited as a source on this article. -- asilvering (talk) 06:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering I was using that source as an example. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 06:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula Sorry, it looks like I misunderstood you. Do you mean to say that it doesn't need national sources, because it's in The Morgan Hill Times all the time? That's an argument you can make, certainly, though remember that if someone really wants to throw the "rulebook" at you, they'll count that paper as "one source", no matter how many articles/journos you have from it. But what makes you think this is why it was tagged for notability? I don't see anything in the edit history or Talk page that says this. -- asilvering (talk) 06:49, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering See here. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 07:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I'm with Nick I'm afraid, but don't let that stop you. There's no requirement that sources be national-level. -- asilvering (talk) 07:29, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula The problem is, most cities around the world have local festivals, all of which are covered by their local newspapers (obviously). They only become 'Notable' when the world at large takes an interest in them - as reflected by books or detailed national magazine articles or newspapers talking about them. We have an anual festival in my city too (see here), but all our events are covered just by our daily newspaper and local radio, as is yours.

(By way of another example: I have at home a box file of easily a hundred local newspaper cuttings about things I've done or achieved over the years, plus some local radio and local TV recordings. Oh, and a photo of me dressed as an alien on the front cover of a national UK newspaper! But none of those things makes me Notable' either, at least as far as Wikipedia is concerned because they're all either local sources or just passing mentions.)

But what really surprises me is there's no mention whatsoever of anything mushroom-related at all in the main article about Morgan Hill, California. Now that you have a lot more editing experience under your belt, I would recommend that you address that as a priority, and add a 'Culture' section to summarise the Festival there, which seems a valid place for it. I'm afraid I still think Mushroom Mardi Gras Festival is a candidate for a Deletion Discussion, despite you removing my 'notability tag earlier today. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

An argument can be made for a festival to fall under WP:CORP, in which the WP:AUD section requires national or at least regional coverage. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, according to WP:AUD, it states that at least one national or regional source can prove notability. According to List of newspapers in California, The Mercury News is a widely circulated paper. It serves both the San Mateo and Santa Clara Counties. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 02:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh no my article's being deleted ahhhhhhhhhhhh :( Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 19:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula No need to panic, no one has nominated it for deletion. (Yet.) Again, I think Nick's in the right here: why not write a short paragraph about it on the article for Morgan Hill, California? We can then make Mushroom Mardi Gras Festival into a redirect to the article on the town itself, which means that when people search for the festival they'll get directed to the paragraph you wrote on that article. -- asilvering (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Why does the merge hatnote I put on Sewing needle look like that?

See title, please G'year talk mail 01:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Very likely because you hadn't read, digested, and implemented Template:Merge/doc. -- Hoary (talk) 02:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Job apply

How can be apply job. 14.194.128.26 (talk) 03:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

This is a page for questions on how to use Wikipedia. We are not a job recruiter. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

LAWN BOWLS

As from June 2016 Abe Eybers, BSA Member #48564, BSA Coach #2257, Pretoria South Africa, has created, verified and documented >200 Lawn Bowl Skills, combined in a Training Manual (currently being printed). The most signifigant item is that: "CREATED A #SKILL4ALL AS A CAST IN STONE DELIVERY LINE USING THE PRECISION BIAS LINE PER BRAND OF BOWL TOGETHER WITH INDIVIDUAL 70% PSYCHO STRENGTH VIA THE "AUTOMATIC BODY INTUITION SYSTEM" (ABIS). "GENIUSLY BORN AS BLINK AND DELIBERATE LINES. "BLINK IS MOSTLY USED BY TOP5% NATURAL 70% ABIS TALENT, AND DELIBERATE BY THOSE WITH EQUAL EXPERTNESS BUT REQUIRE A "PICTURE POINT OF AIM" (POA). Searching Wikipedia for Skills or Qualifications, the result is "ZERO to match the query"! Thus the perception is that there is NO DOCUMENTED SKILLS FOR LAWN BOWLS INTERNATIONALLY. Lachlan Tighe BOWLS, Wikipedia Page: I SEARCHED 2 items, "Weight Control and Delivery Line" with no results. The Manual has "Cast in Stone Methodologies" to be used to improve performance, immediately. Example, Abe E joined Lachlan Tighe International Fellow Coach platform in January 2023, within this he sent me 2 questions from UK and NZ, both Abe E could supply answers extracted from the Manual, I hope it assisted in clarifying a "Mystery Abe E has Deciphered for 7yrs with >230 Joyfully >50% performers, who was the Acid Test to Verify the Paradigms created"

Abe Eybers has power to fill the 3 century "Dereliction of Zero Lawn Bowl Litrature" and enable an educatioal platform for "Bread and Butter" players to use in performing at a higher level, depending on such individual enthusiasm.

The Question for Abe E is: "HOW IMPORTANT IS SUCH ACTION FOR THE LONGELIVITY IN A "DYING SPORT" (RSA DECLINED FROM >200000 TO ><100000 IN 2023), IS IT FEASABLE TO PROCEED IN FILLING WIKIPEDIA WITH SUCH LITRATURE, SHALL PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE SUCH? DEAR READER PLEASE RELATE YOUR OPINION WITHIN THIS THIN SLICING OF BEING OPEN HANDED GIVING MY QUEST MEANING TO PROCEED, THANKS. 41.121.68.120 (talk) 04:44, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

No. Since Abe Eybers' grimoire is "currently being printed", I infer that it hasn't yet been published, and thus that there won't be reliable sources -- for which "reliability" should be as defined by and for Wikipedia -- about it. Once it's published, wait till the reviews of it in respected periodicals have piled up, then perhaps ask again. But, please, do so with minimal use of CAPITAL LETTERS. Because the more capitals a writer uses, the more deranged the writer seems. -- Hoary (talk) 06:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hoary. The topic is to find like minded people to improve their skills in lawn bowls playing standard of people, and giving weight to go beyond the manual, then try to research the possibility to have the authorities to implement these skills as policy. There are no documented training material for Lawn Bowls currently. Is my topic stopped due to reliability issue? 41.121.68.120 (talk) 12:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid that to find like minded people is an example of promotion, and the rest of your purpose sounds like advocacy, neither of which is among the purposes of Wikipedia. You'll need to find somewhere else to do this - see Alternative outlets for some ideas. ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

ColinFine good day. Thanks for reply and giving the faults used. Enjoy life and I will search further to find doors. Abe E. Greetings. 41.121.68.120 (talk) 05:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Significance of the person

Is the person who is the head of the monarchical house significant enough? 178.205.52.67 (talk) 21:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

A king or queen would be notable, yes. The head of a small clan somewhere obscure probably wouldn't - unless they'd been written about in detail and in depth and met criteria laid out here. Who are you referring to and which country does this relate to? Nick Moyes (talk) 21:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Is this the "monarchical house" of an actual monarchy, or is it merely some family that might well have produced monarchs for some nation if that nation hadn't already dispensed with its monarchy and become a republic? -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Write a review on child marriage

Child marriage 106.195.76.110 (talk) 05:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article on the topic is Child marriage. -- asilvering (talk) 06:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Dyslexic Font

Hi,

Considering a lot of people use wikipedia, I wish you guys would add a dyslexic font to improve accessibility. Its a small change but I think it would be a good one. Sodipe7 (talk) 22:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sodipe7. According to this article, these fonts are ineffective. Cullen328 (talk) 22:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

That was a nice read. Thanks! Sodipe7 (talk) 22:27, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sodipe7 you can customize the fonts used on Wikipedia by going to Preferences --> Appearance and adding your font choice to your custom CSS. -- asilvering (talk) 00:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sodipe7: See Wikipedia:Dyslexic readers for information on how to enable this 3df (talk) 06:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Mainspace edit count?

Is there a way I may see how many edits I have on the mainspace (many things on Wikipedia seem to require 200 mainspace edits...) G'year talk·mail 00:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@A westman:, you can check using this tool. Currently, you have 56 mainspace edits. Cheers! ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 23:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

You can also see the number by going to your Contributions page - no tool required! -- asilvering (talk) 00:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: Where does it show the main space edits? All I see if the total edit count. Where should I be looking? RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed, when looking at any registered editor's contributions page, scroll to the bottom and click the "Edit count" link. That will produce a remarkably detailed report about the editor's history. It goes far beyond a count of mainspace edits, to much greater levels of detail, all presented in an easy to understand graphic format. Cullen328 (talk) 05:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed My bad, I skipped over the "mainspace" bit. Total edit count is all the contribs page has. The instructions Cullen328 gave you are another way to get to the tool Relativity linked. -- asilvering (talk) 06:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Are there any small tasks I can do?

I want to build up a good reputation before I dive head-first into this community. Puzzle Piece the Wikipedian (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

There are some lists of tasks at WP:COM. Do you have any interests in particular? It might be more fun to pick tasks related to something you're interested in. -- asilvering (talk) 06:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

How do I link my user page in a different language to my en-wiki user page?

Hi Teahouse,

I am active on other wikis besides en-wiki, and it will be helpful if my en-wiki user page is linked to them, i.e. at the top-right corner, it will show "2 languages" that allows me to go to my user page in different languages. I see that many other users do that (such as User:Jimbo Wales).

I tried looking for "Edit interlanguage links", but it doesn't show up on user pages.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 07:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: You can create your userpage on Meta – anything you put there will be shown in place of your userpage on all Wikimedia wikis where you haven't specifically created one. (If you don't want it to show up on Meta, you can place it between <onlyinclude><includeonly> and </includeonly></onlyinclude>) Tollens (talk) 07:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather: I realize now that I may have misunderstood your question: I don't think you actually want this to be part of the page itself. You can add links of the format [[language code:Title]] to the bottom of your user page – you can find the language code of each Wikipedia at meta:List of Wikipedias (in the "Wiki" column of the table). Tollens (talk) 07:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Tollens,

I am afraid that I didn't communicate the point clearly. If you go to the page User:Jimbo Wales, you will see on the top right corner "文A 10 languages", to the right of the title of the page. Whereas, if we go to your or my user page, we will see "文A Add languages". That's the part I'm talking about. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 08:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, that would be the second solution I posted. It should make those links appear – you'll have to do that on each of your user pages. Tollens (talk) 08:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Tollens, this is wonderful! -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 09:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Unveritable, unreliable and inaccurate article.

I came across an unreliable ,derogatory, hoax and utterances that tarnishes and is irrelevant to a subject matter Drillrichard (talk) 12:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Drillrichard Hello, welcome to the teahouse. Be brave to fix it, if it is something totally hoax, feel free to tag an CSD to it. -Lemonaka‎ 12:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Drillrichard, if this is about Dapo Abiodun, you appear to have removed what seem at first glance to be relevant and properly referenced facts of public record, since restored by Knitsey – apologies if I am mistaken. You should continue to discuss the matter with Knitsey and any other interested parties, but can I ask if you have any personal connection to the subject, such that Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and/or Wikipedia:Paid might apply?

If you have not before, you should perhaps review Wikipedia's Neutral point of view policy. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I've been adding further information to the article with referencing. There is a sock puppet investigation open as there have been confirmed socks. I did add Drillrichard (talk · contribs) to it 2 days ago as the editing pattern seemed to be the same.

I'm still working on the article to improve it. Knitsey (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Removal of undisclosed payments warning

I have a COI with an article which has been flagged with a message saying it has been edited in return for undisclosed payments and that it may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view.

I haven't and won't edit the page myself so what is the best way to have someone help on the page to clean it up and have the warning removed? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 08:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Occasionalpedestrian The warning places the article in a category of articles that are so tagged, that volunteers look at when they have time to do so. At some point an independent editor will look at the article and evaluate it. There isn't really any way you can speed this up, please be patient. If you see things that can be changed, you are welcome to make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I agree being patient is the best way. Might place a formal request if no news after a couple of weeks. Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 13:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Reassessment

How does article reassessment work? Is there a way to request reassessment for articles? A westman talk e-mail 14:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Greetings @A westman, you can request an article to be reassessed here at the "Requesting an assessment" section. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 14:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Referencing help

Hi everyone, I'm pretty new here and I'm still getting the hang of referencing.

I want to add a reference to this Wiki article of Wendy Houses. Specifically the first sentence.

This is the reference I'm thinking of using https://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co.uk/blog/guide-to-wendy-houses/

Would this reference be suitable or would it be classed as original research? WP:NOR

Thank you Bringmethesunset (talk) 15:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

It is difficult to tell if something is original research without knowing the text that's going in the Wiki article. WP:SYNTH has a good example of whats OR and what isn't However, I don't think that source is very reliable; it claims itself as a blog, and the publisher is more of a retail company than a media/specialist publication. I hope this helps! Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I was thinking the same but I wasn't a 100% sure.

For that particular article would the first sentence need a reference?

The one that says: A Wendy house is a United Kingdom term for a playhouse for children, which is large enough for one or more children to enter. Bringmethesunset (talk) 16:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I would definitely avoid any information pages on blogs or commercial/retail sites. They would be deemed as advertising, and you should really look for independent, reliable sources, not sales websites. An article in a 'Homes & Gardens' magazine would be fine, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:13, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Multiple Accounts

Hello, My seniors. Currently i am using same account on both my phone and also on my Laptop. Actually, i am a tour-loving boy who generally visits different places. I sometimes use my account on Laptop by some public or personal WiFi and generally use my phone on the personal internet. I saw some user are using two accounts with name like ‘On Mobile’. Please guide me in this. Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 15:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

You can make a brand new account on your phone and name it something similar to "Hussain Quadri on mobile". Then, you can you separate accounts for different devices. It is good practice to disclose alternate accounts like this on your userpage, see WP:LEGITSOCK. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ca Thank You Very Much. I’ll create a new account soon — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 16:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Global user page not showing in mobile app ( Android)

Hi,

I am using the global user page on all other languages except the English Wikipedia. When I view my user profile in another language via a browser, it correctly fetches the page from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Anoopspeaks. However, if I try the same from the mobile app (Android), I end up on the non-existing local user page link, causing a 404 error. Is there a way to fix this? Anoop Bhatia (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I believe folks at WP:VPT are more knowledgeable on technical matters. As much as I love the Wikipedia mobile app, it's quite janky. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ca Thanks😊Anoop Bhatia (talk) 17:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Help accepting an admin-restricted draft over at AfC

I kindly request an administrator's assistance reducing the creation protection for the main space article for Draft:Elvish Yadav. I wish to accept it as per WP:BASIC and/or WP:THREE. However, it is creation protected for admins only at this time, because of spammy frequent creations. Please advise, kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 12:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC).

Hi! You're looking for WP:RFUP. NotAGenious (talk) 14:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Spinster300: I wouldn't accept it just yet. It contains numerous citations to The Times of India, which according to WP:RSP, is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage. This seems highly likely for articles about pop-culture people.

Personally, I think our notability bar is set too low for biographies, especially YouTubers.

When it's ready, you can make a request at WP:RFPP to remove the create protection (or just ask me on my talk page). ~Anachronist (talk) 16:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I understand your point regarding the WP:NEWSORGINDIA. It's evident that Elvish Yadav's coverage is extensive across various media outlets. With the additional references and the widespread coverage, I hope that Draft:Elvish Yadav meets the notability criteria for the main space. 103.251.217.233 (talk) 14:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear Anachronist and NotAGenious, thank you for referring me to the relevant WikiProjects. I am unfortunately aware of the state of several mews sources from India, and many others from several South and South East Asian countries being tenuous. I have usually stuck to helping out on Women in Red and focused mostly on American and European biographies, but I do wish to help reduce the tendency of our project to be too heavily focused on those geographic and cultural regions. And now I help out at AfC for just that. For my WP:Three, I was thinking of the articles about the subject and their participation on that reality show as covered by the Financial Express, the Indian Express, and India Today, among a few other sources that seemed generally engaged in faithful journalism. Over the coming few days, I might possibly look into reworking the article (with extra clean up for possible WP:COI and WP:UPE), and then I shall ping your talk page, Anachronist, for the RFPP request. Kind regards, Spinster300 (talk) 18:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC).

Guidance on sources

Where would I look for guidance on what constitutes an appropriate source? My two current questions are if I can/should cite a textbook and how to factor in the bias of a source used in the accidents section of Brightline. PyropePe (talk) 18:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, please look at WP:SOURCE 𝑭𝒊𝒍𝒎𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔 (talk) 18:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! PyropePe (talk) 18:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Help Needed in Publishing Article

I am seeking assistance with publishing an article about Dr. Kasu Prasad Reddy, a prominent figure in the field of Ophthalmology. If there are any experienced Wikipedia editors who can guide me through the publishing process and help ensure that the article complies with Wikipedia's guidelines, I would greatly appreciate your assistance. I can provide the necessary information, and your expertise will be invaluable in making this information accessible to a wider audience. Thank you in advance for your support. Khannark (talk) 08:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I see that you have already declared your COI regarding this proposed article, and have made clear on your Talk page that PAID does not apply. You have also had you Sandbox Speedy deleted twice, so if those were efforts to craft a draft about Reddy, your approach was radically wrong. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to be co-authors. The essential question is whether you have access to three or more published articles about Reddy that will establish his notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Your personal knowledge of his accomplishment would be considered 'original research' and thus not allowed. David notMD (talk) 08:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, David. I understand the importance of not relying on original research for Wikipedia articles. Regarding the notability of Dr. Kasu Prasad Reddy, I do have access to multiple published articles and sources that establish his notability in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. My aim is to create a well-sourced and encyclopedic article that adheres to all Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

On a related note, I have noticed that some existing articles about other individuals, such as 'Dr. Reddy,' have issues with broken links and citations. I'm curious about how these articles were published and are currently live despite these issues. Is there a specific process for dealing with such cases, or would you recommend any actions I can take to help improve the quality of existing articles? Khannark (talk) 08:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Out of the millions of articles that are on Wikipedia, it is likely that many of them are inappropriate and simply not addressed yet by a volunteer. Volunteers do what they can when they can. See other stuff exists. If you would like to help us, you can work to identify other inappropriate articles you have seen so action can be taken. We need the help. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Khannark, the English Wikipedia currently has 6,732,829 articles, and experienced Wikipedia editors are well aware that a million or more are mediocre or worse. We work 24 hours a day worldwide to either improve or delete poor quality articles. Do not emulate bad articles. Instead, model your work on Good articles and Featured articles. Cullen328 (talk) 10:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, Link rot is inevitably going to happen, regardless of how perfectly referenced an article is at some point in time – it is the nature of the Internet. Wikipedia does not (to my knowledge) have a formal Planned Maintenance regime to combat this, so depends (as with everything else) on the combined efforts of tens-to-hundreds of thousands of users to minimise its likelihood and correct it when noticed, per WP:Link rot. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your perspective on link rot and Wikipedia's approach to it. You're absolutely right that link rot is an ongoing challenge on the internet. It's good to know that Wikipedia relies on its community to address this issue. I appreciate the information and will keep it in mind when working on articles. Khannark (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Khannark: Welcome to the Teahouse! When you have a good draft, you could try asking for help from the Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Ophthalmology task force. At the bottom of that page is the code for the WikiProject that you could add to your draft's talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Requesting to review Draft:Aranmanai 4

Resolved

Anoop Bhatia (talk) 06:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to request a review of Draft:Aranmanai 4 by someone with admin rights. I believe the article meets the criteria outlined in wp:nff. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 21:09, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks I have admin rights, but that's not relevant at all here. You have already submitted your article to WP:AFC for review and feedback. We are all volunteers here and there is a huge backlog of articles to review. The notice on your draft states: Your review is waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,343 pending submissions waiting for review. Meanwhile, if there's anything else we can help you with, just let us know. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:27, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Could you delete article Aranmanai 4 so i can move the draft to article space myself, if it didn't violate anything?Anoop Bhatia (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks: I also have admin rights, but I'm averse to putting an article about an unreleased film in mainspace. Why not wait until after it's no longer "upcoming"? ~Anachronist (talk) 21:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Anachronist The project is notable and sources are good, so i think there is no harm in putting it in article space. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 22:09, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I am also an administrator, Anoopspeaks. Wikipedia:Notability (films)#Future films, incomplete films, and undistributed films says Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date. Your draft does not verify that principal photography is underway, so in my opinion, it is too soon for an article about this sequel. Cullen328 (talk) 22:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thanks for pointing out that, i will try to add information about filiming.Anoop Bhatia (talk) 06:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

That is three Admins who advise against moving the draft to mainspace. If you do it before the film is released (Jan 2024) the it is likely that the person performing the New Pages Patrol will flip it back to draft. I recommend waiting until it is in cinema and there are reviews that can be references. I see that Aranmanai (film series) already has quite a bit of information about A4. That should be enough for now. David notMD (talk) 01:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD Thanks.Anoop Bhatia (talk) 06:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks: Based on the info provided by David notMD above, I changed the Aranmanai 4 page so it redirects to Aranmanai (film series). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Block problems...

I have noticed that when in the English version of wikipedia, i can log in freely without any type of error, but, when i try to repeat this in the Spanish version, i get a message that i have been blocked. Why is this happening? Why is it only in the Spanish version? (for context, i have only edited about once or twice before having this account. I never vandalised another page when i was in anonymous mode. )

I am Nameclips. (just incase because its showing my IP for me.)

Best regards, Nameclips (talk) 00:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Update: This same effect happens on my phone.

Nameclips (talk) 00:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nameclips: You will need to ask at the Spanish Wikipedia why your account is blocked there. RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Are you perhaps related to Slamforeman? -- Hoary (talk) 02:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

No i am not related to him. Nameclips (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Nameclips, English Wikipedia editors have no power, influence or insight into what goes on at the Spanish Wikipedia. Each language version is run separately. Your user talk page on Spanish Wikipedia should have a notice explaining why you were blocked and how to appeal there. Cullen328 (talk) 05:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

More decisively, Nameclips, your contributions page there would show that you were blocked, if you were blocked there. It does not, so you aren't blocked there. Indeed, "La cuenta de usuario «Nameclips» no está registrada": you don't even exist there. -- Hoary (talk) 06:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328, Hoary It could still be (and probably is) a block on the underlying IP adress set to disable account creation. As far as I am aware, "account creation disabled" type blocks prevent all types of accounts creation, including automatic local account creation when you first log in (sometimes visiting does suffice) on a new project.

As far as what to do now, this probably requires the assistance of someone with the centralauth-createlocal user right on eswiki to use the associated special page (I don't remember it's title right now) Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

From what ive seen, i have been banned for LTA (Long-Term abuse). I have never vandalised, stalked, or violated the Spanish Wikipedia rules. But, I have edited a small term (the small term being: clarifying that "XX" meant the 20th century.). Even if I violated the Wikipedia rules (Which i problably did not.), I wouldn't need to be blocked, just warned.

This is problably the same effect that happened to Slamforeman, where he got blocked for nine years from the Spanish Wikipedia because his IP was somewhat similar to another IP who had vandalised a wikipedia page.

Best regards, Nameclips (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Protected Edit request

Hi I found an article that has several errors I would like to correct but I am unable to edit it. It said I have to make a request on the talk page but I can’t get the edit request bar to appear over my message. How would I add that? Greatquestion (talk) 20:43, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Greatquestion, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can add {{edit semi-protected}} or {{edit extended-protected}} at the top of your request, depending on the protection level of the page. Alternatively, you could use the edit request wizard – it would do so for you. Tollens (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Cornish wrestling

Could someone take a look at that article? It's about a relatively little-known sport, and yet its main contributor, User:Mab an Garrek, has inflated it to elephantine proportions. 89.64.68.189 (talk) 22:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

If you have suggestions to improve the article, start a discussion at Talk:Cornish_wrestling RudolfRed (talk) 22:13, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

It's strange indeed. Consider this sample from near the start:

The referee is known as a 'stickler',<ref name="James1742">James, Nicholas:''Poems on several occasions, Wrestling'', Andrew Brice (Truro) 1742, p21-40.</ref> and it is claimed that the popular meaning of the word as a 'pedant' originates from this usage.<ref name="TableBook">[[William Hone|Hone, William]]: ''The Table Book of Daily Recreation and Information'', Hunt & Clarke 1827, p663-664.</ref>

This might better be revised as:

In the 18th century, the referee was known as a 'stickler',<ref name="James1742">James, Nicholas:''Poems on several occasions, Wrestling'', Andrew Brice (Truro) 1742, pp21-40.</ref> and a compendium published a century ago claimed that the popular meaning of the word as a 'pedant' originates from this usage.<ref name="TableBook">[[William Hone|Hone, William]]: ''The Table Book of Daily Recreation and Information'', Hunt & Clarke 1827, pp663-664.</ref>

Far better would be to depend on, and where helpful to cite, the Oxford English Dictionary (oed.com). -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

My view is that the article should really lose the "Notable Cornish Wrestlers" section, which would trim it to a sensible size for Wikipedia. My argument is that none of these wrestlers are "notable" in Wikipedia's sense (not blue-linked), it's just a complete list of every name that whoever wrote it has found reported in the sporting section of any historical newspaper. It's basically Original Research. (Small-print: I suggested a while ago that Wikipedia should have a spare name-space for supported-but-not-encyclopaedic information; this would have been the sort of stuff that could be put there for reference, but there was no consensus for any such drastic addition to the project) Elemimele (talk) 09:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Cornish wrestling is "a relatively little-known sport", but that was not always the case. It was one of the most popular sports in the English speaking world for centuries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mab an Garrek (talk • contribs) 09:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes! And that's a very good reason for having an article about it. But the enormous list of people who were once wrestlers, scraped from very old newspapers, makes the sport look desperate, less than it is, and is not in keeping with how Wikipedia handles sports. I've put a longer version of this reply on the article's talk page. It's unbalancing what would otherwise be a good article about a notable topic. Longer does not always mean better, when it comes to WP articles! Elemimele (talk) 21:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Commons teahouse

Does the Wikimedia Commons have a separate Teahouse-type space, where I could ask similar questions, or should it all go here? -- Photosynthetic430 ❧ 17:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photosynthetic430 (talk • contribs)

@Photosynthetic430, Commons:Help desk is the closest I know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

ok 138.43.105.18 (talk) 18:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Photosynthetic430 A good place to start for help on Commons is c:Help:Contents. Apart from the link you have already been given, this has several others: for example frequent questions at Commons relate to copyright and there is a special page for these. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both! Photosynthetic430 ❧ 21:33, 23 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photosynthetic430 (talk • contribs)

taxonomy trouble

I have been editing some old world silverside articles when I noticed a newish genus (doboatherina) meant that there some species lists were outdated, but I feel that I've reached the limit of my expertise when it comes to creating a page for the genus. The big stumbling block is disagreement between sources about what species belong to the genus. The original paper lists 10, a search on Eschmeyer's catalogue of fishes shows 11 with a "current status" in the genus, and both WoRMS and Fishbase list 8. I lack the scientific background that would allow me to weigh the authority of these sources - is it possible for someone more experienced to step in here? Infointheair (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Infointheair Have you tried asking at WP:FISH? Or maybe WP:BIOL? -- asilvering (talk) 06:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

No, I am very new to navigating the back end of wikipedia and had no idea such places existed! Thanks! Infointheair (talk) 18:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

asilvering's suggestion above sounds good to me. Meanwhile FWIW, notionally WoRMS takes its information unchanged from FishBase (possibly with some latency), while FishBase (so far as I am aware) follows Eschmeyer in 99.9% of cases - so the Eschmeyer information may simply be the most recent (or alternately, represent a view that FB chooses not to follow, but I am not aware of many cases of this). Personally I would have no hesitation in using Eschmeyer as the most current/accurate source, but that's just me... Tony 1212 (talk) 23:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Userbox

So I was trying to put a Userbox on my page but idk if I put stuff in wrong but wen I go to my page it just shows the code for the box help pls.😊 DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 22:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES! This is because the userbox is wrapped in a nowiki tag. This can be fixed by editing your userpage and deleting the text that says "<nowiki>" and "</nowiki>". Thanks! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 22:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Note: looks like user Tollens has fixed the issue for you. Happy editing! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 22:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much but also how do I get a picture to show on the side box. DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 22:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES I've added a 'Userboxtop' and 'Userboxbottom]] template to move all your userboxes to the right in one column, and added a demo file for you too. Feel free to revert me edit if you don't like it.

Don't forget that Wikipedia isn't just a place to play with your userpage, but is a project to improve articles in this encyclopaedia. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

regarding deleting a page

Hi, i was translating a English wiki article to Hindi langue but somehow may be due to some glitch, it published on English wiki, kindly help me to delete it. article link is below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%9A Dcotos (talk) 00:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Dcotos – looks like the page has already been tagged for deletion; it should be deleted soon. Tollens (talk) 00:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, for replay, Tollens. Dcotos (talk) 00:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Timestamp mismatch

Replacing a no-longer working archived URL with a working arhived URL in reference 55 of Jacob Rees-Mogg results in "{{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch" appearing. After reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#archive_date_url_ts_mismatch and checking |archive-url= and |archive-date= several times I don't see why the error notice appears. Mcljlm (talk) 03:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: I've fixed the issue; looks like the archive-date parameter did not have the correct date. Tollens (talk) 03:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The 10 September URL you inserted Tollens has the article's headline and sub-head but no text whereas the 21 June URL has the whole article. Mcljlm (talk) 05:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see the issue – looks like you had edited the URL to the original rather than the archived copy, I've fixed all the URLs and dates so that it correctly links the original and the snapshot of 21 June 2013. Tollens (talk) 05:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Userbox

so I have a file that I already had downloaded and I put it in the contents of side box and every time I do it doesn't show up it just says the name of the file what am I doing wrong? Lol DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

if this is about something on your userpage, I can't see any issues. please clarify. RudolfRed (talk) 01:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

so I've already taken off the ones that did not work but I'll make another so you can see what I'm talking about. DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 01:15, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

It would be better if you didnt spend all your time on this. Read WP:NOTHERE RudolfRed (talk) 01:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES Wikipedia can't read your local files. Upload the file or find a replacement. —Stewpot (Talk • contribs) 01:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for being nice as you can see the last comment wasn't very nice I'm only just editing my page because I need practice. Thank you so much. DON'T CRY BY GUN'S N ROSES (talk) 01:25, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed's response was excellent. Practice at editing userboxes and the like won't help you editing articles, and editing articles is what this website is about. -- Hoary (talk) 06:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Managing Wikimedia User Group

Hello, I recently started a User group named Sunni Community Wikimedia on Meta-Wiki, what are the different steps to take? What is the minimum number of members should be in my User Group? Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 15:51, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @QuadriSyedSahab. The Teahouse is a place to ask for help with using or editing English Wikipedia; for help with Meta, it would be better to try their own help forum(s). This seems to be a place where you can ask questions about using Meta. 57.140.16.45 (talk) 16:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I Understood. Thanks but why are you here by you IP? — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Because I prefer it, basically. There are a few of us IP old-timers hanging about - we'll see what happens next year when things change a bit in the IP editing department. 57.140.16.45 (talk) 16:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Okayy -- Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Archiving references?

I've noticed that sometimes references are "archived" and sometimes they're not. Is there any requirement to archive? When is it supposed to be done? TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 04:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@TaxGalPDX2: Providing an archived copy of references is for the purpose of preventing link rot, where the linked page changes or goes offline. There's no requirement to link to an archived copy of a reference or external link, but it's helpful if there's a good chance that something will happen to the source in the future. The Wayback Machine (usually) automatically takes a snapshot of a reference when it's added to a Wikipedia article, so there's almost never a need to do so yourself. If you notice that when you try to access the source provided in a reference but it's broken on the other end, you can try looking for a snapshot by pasting it into the Wayback Machine (URL https://web.archive.org) – usually it'll come up with something. If you notice this it's helpful to add it to the reference using the archive-url and archive-date parameters in {{cite web}}. InternetArchiveBot does this automatically too. Tollens (talk) 04:44, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The interface to direct the IABot to rescue the references on an article for you is at - https://iabot.wmcloud.org/index.php - Cabayi (talk) 11:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Interference

Wikipedia is... how do I put this? Wikipedia is slowly taking over my life. I've been staying up past midnight doing whatever I can to improve an article. It's gotten in the way of my homework, and I really, really, want to stop this habit before it gets out of control. Got any suggestions? Thanks, Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 05:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC).

You could turn off whichever device(s) you use for editing Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 06:15, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:SELFBLOCK? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Prioritize. First, complete computer tasks that are required, such as homework. Then, set a timer for how much time you will allow for Wikipedia. Articles that need improvement won't go away if you return the next day. David notMD (talk) 07:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Pomodoro Technique. Cabayi (talk) 11:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Help correcting biographical information

Hi, apologies for this extremely basic request but I'm completely new to Wikipedia editing and I need some help correcting information on Yusif Sayigh

He was not born in Syria as currently stated in the main text and the profile box on the right, but the village of al-Bassa, Palestine (at the time).

Source from his biography, page 9.

I'm sure this is a really quick and easy thing for someone who knows what they're doing to fix, I would really appreciate your help

Dodiemop (talk) 11:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dodiemop. The place to discuss this is Talk:Yusif Sayigh. But it is not as simple as you say. The claim in the article is cited to an article in the Jerusalem Quarterly, where it says, ostensibly from his own recollections, that he was born in Kharaba, and the family later moved to al-Bassa. The book you cite is apparently in his own words, saying that his parents moved to Kharaba when he was about three.

Where reliable sources disagree, what Wikipedia should do is record that they disagree, and not attempt to resolve the disagreement. ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

OK thank you so much for the response, I will start a discussion there Dodiemop (talk) 12:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Citation clean up

I recently started working with CSSP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Symbiotic_Signaling_Pathway) but it requires referencing some references several times. I could not learn the "named reference" feature due to being obsessively focused on reading the journal articles (I am Autistic and immensely monotropic that makes it difficult for me to switch in between tasks). in this situation I have introduced several references with the citation button, and later on I am failing to visually scan the wall of text where I have introduced the duplicate/ redundant references. I apologise for this mistake. But is there any available wikipedia bot which can find duplicate references and can replace with appropriate named reference?

please help me out! RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 09:29, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I can provide my list of reference. I need some assistance to make them a list of named reference. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 09:30, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Resolved. the wikimedia tool https://refill.toolforge.org/ did it successfully. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 11:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC) Thanks

Hi there, @RIT RAJARSHI. I'm glad you found the answer for yourself. I find resolving my own questions immensely satisfying. It's certainly a good way to learn. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I can't reset my password. I go to the reset page but there is no place to add a new password.

My page is WIKIPEDIA/ED SEEMAN 208.95.161.131 (talk) 14:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have your current password and can log in, you should be able to go to Special:ChangePassword and there is a field to enter a new password there.

But if you have forgotten your password, then you can't enter a new one directly: for security reasons Wikipedia needs to send an email to the address you registered. See WP:FAQ/Technical#How do I recover a password I have forgotten?.

If you have forgotten your password and no longer have access to that email address, then I'm afraid that your password is unrecoverable, and you will need to abandon that account and create a new one. You should state on the User page of the new account what you previous account was. ColinFine (talk) 14:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

COUNTY MAPS FOR STATES - US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS

Hi. I'm looking for advice about how to create maps for Wikipedia entries so I can add US Presidential election maps for counties within states.

Specifically, I'm editing the 2020 United States presidential election in Wisconsin page, and I want to add a map of all Wisconsin counties that identifies PIVOT counties (these are different from swing, flipping, and bellwether counties). I have the necessary data in a table (from a reputable source), and was thinking presenting it in a map could be useful.

I can provide more information if needed!

Thanks in advance for any help. JK63020 (talk) 15:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@JK63020: Welcome to the Teahouse! See Wikipedia:Maps for Wikipedia for some helpful resources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:23, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

JK63020, The category on Commons, c:Category:Presidential election maps of Wisconsin, has the previous years for comparison, and for a starting point. Picking one out at random, File:Wisconsin Presidential Election Results 1864.svg helpfully names the counties in the SVG source but leaves the scale a little more cryptic.

Cmglee's userpage is an inspiring gallery of great stuff you can do with SVG if you're looking for ideas. Cabayi (talk) 09:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cabayi: Thanks for the compliment.

@JK63020: A choropleth map is a suitable tool for this. The article already has a few of them that you can adapt.

Additionally, Timeshifter (talk · contribs) has been working on tools to automate creation of choropleth maps such as commons:File_talk:Template_map_of_U.S._states_and_District_of_Columbia.svg/Instructions. Perhaps you can both collaborate? Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 14:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@JK63020:. Feel free to adapt anything for your use. I am not skilled at SVG though. I just try to understand and adapt the stuff cmglee and others put out. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

ISBN 10 or 13 or what?

when referencing a book in different ways, which ISBN are we supposed to use? Iljhgtn (talk) 15:20, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello Iljhgtn, I believe that the ISBN depends on the book. I believe that books will have one or the other depending on when they were released, as ISBN 13 was only introduced in 2007. There does not seem to be any specific guide on which should be used as long as you follow the guidelines in the MOS. Have a good day! ― TUNA × 15:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

im looking at the isbn's for a book titled, The Capitalist Manifesto by Johan Norberg for example. this is what i found:

Publisher ‏ : ‎ Atlantic Books (September 19, 2023)

Language ‏ : ‎ English

Hardcover ‏ : ‎ 304 pages

ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 1838957898

ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-1838957896

Of the above two ISBN's, which should i cite then from and how does an editor know which to pick? Iljhgtn (talk) 15:38, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: according to WP:ISBN use the 13 digit version if it is available RudolfRed (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

ok Iljhgtn (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Help what do I do?

I’m trying to get my article submitted and I moved it to draft on my user page. I’m pretty sure I did something wrong. What should I do to fix it and publish the article? Janlopi (talk) 15:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Janlopi: I assume you mean your draft on the Catholicism’s effect on music? You had moved it correctly into the draft space, but onto a user space type title, so I've now moved it to Draft:Catholicism’s effect on music instead. I've also taken the liberty of submitting it for review (if you didn't want to do that yet, just remove the first line with the AfC tag). HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Janlopi There is already an article on church music which has a large overlap with your draft: it might be better to incorporate your material there, especially as that article has been tagged as needing more references. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:09, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Template Broken?

I can't get the Goodreads template to work, even with testing the "sample" entry.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Goodreads_author SuzanneTF (talk) 19:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@SuzanneTF: That template was deleted on this Wikipedia. For help with the Simple English wikipedia, you will need to ask there. simple:Wikipedia:Simple_talk RudolfRed (talk) 19:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh! I didn't realize that was about a separate Wikipedia. Thank you. SuzanneTF (talk) 19:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Streaming platform in filmography

Greetings! Can you please let me know if putting the streaming platform for a web series in filmography is not allowed? Because my edit was deleted by a fellow user but for some reason other actors' page can have their webseries streaming platform on their information. Please kindly enlighten me, thank you! Sulley721 (talk) 17:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sulley721, and welcome to the Teahouse. When another editor reverts your edit, the thing to do is to open up a discussion with them (and any other editors who are interested), usually on the talk page of the article in question. The intention is to reach a consensus.

It may be that they can point you at a relevant policy. It may be that they can point you at a policy but you can argue that it doesn't apply. It may be that it's not a matter of policy, but their judgment on what is appropriate. Please see WP:BRD for how this is supposed to work. ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

One further point. Arguments like "other actors' page can have ... " are often met by "it shouldn't be there either. Thank you for pointing it out". See OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --ColinFine (talk) 20:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

October Blitz

Where can I find the barnstars awarded to the participants of the Oct 2023 GOCE blitz? 98.97.113.192 (talk) 20:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP user. I believe that you can find them here. Cheers! ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 23:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Mistakes

I keep making mistakes when it comes to reverting vandalism/spam is there some things I should know specifically what is spam/vandalism and what inst. Will I be blocked for this? Subariba (talk) 23:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Subariba Hi! I recommend you enter the WP:CVUA. —Stewpot (Talk • contribs) 00:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata images in wikipedia articles?

I'm editing a page about a flood in 1957 in Japan. Wikidata has this photo of a bridge during the flood:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11632022

How do I link that photo to the wiki page? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 07:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Oona Wikiwalker, the one with the bulbous American car is File:諫早豪雨(1).jpg and the one with the debris in the river is File:諫早豪雨(2).jpg; for what to do with either (or both), please see Help:Pictures. -- Hoary (talk) 08:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

.Thank you!Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 01:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Oona Wikiwalker, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you go to commons:File:諫早豪雨(1).jpg, you'll see at the top a link "use this file", which will give you a string to paste into the Wikipedia article. ColinFine (talk) 08:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

NEW Page rejected

Good day A new entry for an award winning actor was rejected and we not sure how to get WIKI to acknowledge the entry Best Paynecc (talk) 06:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Caleb Payne Tollens (talk) 06:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I can't see your reply? Paynecc (talk) 06:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

That was the reply - Tollen's just included a link to the draft so that other editors could see the proposed article. I think you may have a serious conflict of interest in this case. Your username shares the surname of the subject, and in your above comment you say we not sure how to get WIKI to acknowledge the entry which suggests you're not a single entity, but perhaps representing a group or organisation? Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Paynecc. Your draft, which can be found at Draft:Caleb Payne, utterly fails to make the case that this person is notable. The references are very poor. The minimum requirement is that several reliable and independent sources devote significant coverage to this actor. Your first reference is to his own website, which is not independent and therefore worthless. Your second reference is to IMDb, which is not a reliable source for use on Wikipedia, and is therefore worthless. Your third reference is to a database list of winners of some minor award. This is not significant coverage, and is therefore worthless. Cullen328 (talk) 07:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The Young Artist Academy is a pay-to-play scheme, and is of no value on Wikipedia, because people pay to be listed on that website. Cullen328 (talk)

A small note - the draft was Declined, not Rejected. The first allows that there is some potential to succeed, but real refs required. David notMD (talk) 08:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

David - might you please assist us in steps to get him noted.

We could not attach documents of note but links only and thus were limited in what is noteworthy and worked from what we have.

IMDB is the most comprehensive database for professional actors as they do NOT list themselves.

WIKI is a free encyclopedia and if this actor is suppose to rank of that list for other South African children who dream that anything is possible even far away surely his inclusion is helpful for all. Paynecc (talk) 13:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Chaheel - thank you for your reply.

I find it strange from other Teahouse feedback in that WIKI recommends speaking to members of Teahouse on their contact page but most of replies to our question were extremely negative with no constructive advice or suggestions in how to get an article for this actor.

If you google the actor you will find pages and pages of articles written by media sources.

What does one do differently to have the declined turn to accepted?

Assume Teahouse is here to assist and if not - where to go?

Thank you again Paynecc (talk) 13:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Paynecc, and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds as if you have an (all too common) fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place to tell the world about somebody or something: that is called promotion, and is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia.

Once your young actor has been noticed and written about by significant commentators, an article on him will be possible - preferably not written by somebody close to him. Such an article will not belong to him or his associates, should be based on what those independent sources say, not on what he or his associates want to say. It will not be controlled by them, may be edited by almost anybody in the world except Payne and his associates, and may end up containing material he does not want. Please see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 08:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your time.

This is not promotion.

This young actor has been congratulated by the National Parliament in South African for his achievements to date.

He has a noteworthy IMDB page and experience also.

There are countless articles online and in publish about him.

He is ranked higher than most South African actors on an international basis and they have notes on Wikipedia?

Honestly WIKI is not a marketing or promotional platform.

As the Logo reads - FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA.

I'm not sure what all the responses are so negative as we just trying to list the actor.

Main reason is that a journalist asked us why his name does not appear of the list of South African actors on Wiki.... Paynecc (talk) 13:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

remember that a noteworthy imdb page doesn't mean he's notable here

and if no sources mention him, he basically can't have an article cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paynecc: Please review WP:NACTOR to understand the inclusion criteria for actors. If Caleb Payne doesn't meet any of those criteria, then it is WP:TOOSOON for him to have a Wikipedia article. Also review WP:Golden Rule. None of the sources you provided comply with the three criteria given. You need multiple sources that meet those requirements before any reviewer would even consider accepting the draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paynecc You say that There are countless articles online and in publish about him. That should make it simple to improve your draft so it meets Wikipedia's requirements. Choose about three such sources which meet these criteria and base your draft solely on what they say, using your own words. Then resubmit the draft. Incidentally, although Wikipedia is free to read, it only covers notable topics, otherwise it would be overwhelmed with articles about every one of the nearly 8 billion people on the planet. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:23, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

So far, no attempts have been made to improve the draft from when it was Declined. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to be co-authors. IMDb is not an accepted ref, so I deleted it. Ditto his website. Ditto a movie that has not yet been released. For a living person, all content needs to be verified by refs. David notMD (talk) 01:53, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I need help for my new wiki page

How to make my new page, remove suspected advertising labels, you mature editors, can give me some suggestions for modification? SwitchBot Ejajsheik23 (talk) 07:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I wrote with reference to this entry, and the content style is basically consistent with Ecobee, but why am I judged to be suspected? Ejajsheik23 (talk) 07:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

ecobee is also now tagged as having content that is written like an advertisement, so not good example. David notMD (talk) 08:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

OMG....Could you give me some more specific suggestions based on my new page? I am very eager to get promotion and help, the prompt information is not specific enough to let me find the problem, I hope a senior can prompt me!! Thank you so much!! Ejajsheik23 (talk) 08:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I removed the written like an advertisement tag, but left the notability tag, as most of the refs are to minor awards, and describe the products, not the company. Can you find more refs? Also, do you have a paid or personal connection to SwitchBot? That is a valid question when a new-to-Wikipedia editor starts with creating an article about a company or person. David notMD (talk) 08:20, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much!!!! You mentioned the lack of bigger award content, I now go to the search engine to search and sort. I am a smart home enthusiast, so I do not have any relationship with the brand.

Thank you again!! Ejajsheik23 (talk) 08:24, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I ask this because your edit history is suspicious of undeclared paid editing: account created, ten very minor edits to random articles to get auto-confirmed status, and then the creation of SwitchBot without going through the AfC draft review process. Lastly, a word salad on your User page that has no connection to your creation of an article about a company in Japan. David notMD (talk) 08:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Your professionalism and meticulous thinking leave me in awe. I often enjoy browsing Wikipedia articles, particularly those related to various types of technology. SwitchBot happened to be a page I came across in my previous browsing experiences. However, I recently noticed that the article had disappeared, and coincidentally, I was eager to try my hand at contributing by creating a new article and editing relevant content. Hence, I decided to make my first attempt with this particular topic. I sincerely apologize for not using the AfC review process, as I genuinely overlooked that option. Thank you for your guidance! Ejajsheik23 (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Now at Draft:SwitchBot. David notMD (talk) 01:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

So do you want to see if there are any more urgent problems to be solved in my current content? Thank you for your reply. Ejajsheik23 (talk) 02:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Trying to add an edit to the Parapsychology section in the Wiki, unable via system interference, unable to register (also)

I was going to insert the following: Before proceeding further, please watch the video: Magnetic man Georgian man breaks record for sticking spoons to his body https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heVwE66iFkw&t=2s The so called macro "human magnetism" seemingly has nothing to do with "magnetism" as we know it. Individuals like the Georgian magnet man can voluntarily attract/hold/release solid inanimate objects of any composition using only their clean bare skin. Anything interposed between the skin and the object to be adhered (example: clothing) negates the effect just demonstrated. Note: the force exhibited seems to lie in the plane of the skin, perpendicular to the surface of the body. People such as these occur world wide. Indian Magnetic Man https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YTgGT6ieMRE Is this man magnetic? - Guinness World Records https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjHU3JDS2ig [And more.] The first phase of the investigation would rely on neuroimaging of the brain of such people as they exhibit a complete sequence of planning and executing a so called human macro magnetic episode. The tools could be the fMRI and the High Density EEG (with 256 recording channels). The neural locations activated would be recorded as this sequence unfolds. Phase two [invasive] would be performed on cadavers. Vital dyes/tracers (using micro injections) would be applied to the previously found nerve tracts/loci in the brain related to the macro human magnetic performance. Nerves so labeled would diffuse" downstream" toward the biological cellular assemblages that correlate with the macro "human magnetism". Phase three: Locate these relevant biological cellular assemblages on living "human magnets". Note: Currently there are four known Fundamental physical forces: gravity, electromagnetism and the weak and strong nuclear forces. Seemingly, "human macro magnetism" is distinct from any of the above named forces. Thus, the hypothesis that "parapsychological/paranormal" phenomena might be powered by human interaction with the physical world by an other energy spectrum is a viable. Anatomy and Physics might be informed. 47.153.208.174 (talk) 14:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. I am unclear what text it is that you want to insert into the article on Parapsychology. But that huge 'wall of text' above certainly would definitely NOT be appropriate! It reads more as some theory or conclusion of your own, rather than citing a properly published, reliable source to make a clear and succinct point within an encyclopaedia article.

If you feel something should be added or corrected, you can go to the article's talk page and make an EDITREQUEST, but it still needs to cite a source and state explicitly what text needs to be replace, and with what.

If you're struggling to create an account, try closing your browser and reopening it (ensuring you don't have any VPN settings enabled). As you've successfully managed to edit this page, you should not be having problems anywhere else. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

47.153, the part where you put the human magnets into the MRI could use a rethink. Folly Mox (talk) 03:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

What Wikipedia positions could a Wikipedian be elected or appointed to?

Not including the Arbitration Committee, Wikimedia Board, and ArbCom Electoral Commissions. A.FLOCK (talk) 02:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, there’s the Guild of Copy Editors and the Typo Team, but those you volunteer to, not get elected. 98.97.113.192 (talk) 04:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Aside from Arbcom, Board, Electoral Commission, one is also "elected", after a fashion to the position of administrator and bureaucrat, which aren't really positions, but user rights that require community discussion and consensus before a candidate can receive them. With other rights (page patroller, page reviewer, page mover, account creator) you apply for it and your application is evaluated before the right is granted or not. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

there are also the co-ordinators for NPP, and wikiprojects like milhist. No matter what we say, RfA, CU, suppressor are sort of elections as well. —usernamekiran (talk) 05:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Thought experiment article

Hello, I have created an article for wikipedia that is just a thought experiment, not an actual study. There are no research studies for this concept just yet. Is it still possible to have this published? TheFoxTheorist (talk) 21:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheFoxTheorist: No. See WP:No original research. Tollens (talk) 21:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheFoxTheorist: if you're referring to Draft:Compound Fox Theory, then that would not be able to be published. This is because you'd need reliable sources covering the topic. While you do have some sources, you have used them to synthesize information, deriving conclusions from them that none of the sources individually state. This is considered original research and is not allowed. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:07, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

By the way @TheFoxTheorist, please don't remove previous decline notices from drafts. Qcne (talk) 07:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Don't remove Comments either (restored). David notMD (talk) 10:26, 25 October 2023 (UTC)