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User script to detect unreliable sourcesEdit

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

  • John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Clan Ostoja or Clan of Ostoja?Edit

See Category:Polish heraldic clans. Most categories use "Clan of Foo", but a few use "Clan Foo". Frankly I am not sure if the "of" is needed. Ping User:Nihil novi? What sounds better in English? PS. Also note that other categories and articles are often titled in th "Foo family" format, see Category:Polish families. So we have both Clan Ostoja (Moscics) , Clan of Ostoja, as well as Piłsudski family and just Sanguszko... sigh. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

As I understand it, a "Polish heraldic clan" is someone's clumsy English rendering of "herb", in Polish heraldry.
It would have been less confusing to have kept the Polish term herb, or to have rendered herb by "coat-of-arms", rather than to translate it by the broader English term "clan", which may or may not involve a coat of arms as the Polish herb always does.
if "clan" must be adapted to the Polish herb system, then it would be appropriate to follow an English-language clan model such as Category:Scottish clans, which does not interject "of" between the word "clan" and the name of the particular clan. (Neither does the Polish language use the corresponding genitive case in the name of a herb.)
The "of" is superfluous, clunky, and altogether unwarranted.
Thanks.
Nihil novi (talk) 16:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Back in the days I was working on this, I've always translated herb as coat of arms. We do have Ostoja coat of arms, the thing is, the coat of arms does seem to have an arguable and traditional stand-alone notability separate from Ostoja family (so, on pl wiki, we have pl:Ostoja (herb szlachecki)=Ostoja coat of arms and pl:Kategoria:Ostojowie=Category:Clan Ostoja. The problem (one of many) is that we have Clan of Ostoja which does not have a Polish equivalent, and so we have the question of a) is it notable/not ORish and b) should the article and related category be renamed to the "Foo family" or even just "Ostojowie" or "Ostoja" (now a disambig, so Ostoja (family)?. It's been ages since I delved into this part of Wikipedia, but it is not looking good... hence my post here, so see if we have any people interested in Polish history and heraldry. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:34, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
"Ostoja coat of arms" is a legitimate article and is appropriately listed in "Category:Polish coats of arms".
A list of Ostoja-coat-of-arms "notable bearers" could be added to the "Ostoja coat of arms" article, much as an analogous list appears in the "Abdank coat of arms" article. All the 42 notables now listed in "Category:Clan Ostoja" could be accommodated in "Ostoja coat of arms", without need for the present separate "Category:Clan Ostoja".
The final question would seem to be: What essential information in the (mis-titled) "Clan of Ostoja" article merits that separate article, which lumps together families and individuals who chanced to bear (or acquire by adoption) the same coat of arms?
Nihil novi (talk) 01:05, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

AfDEdit

Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:04, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Per WP:APPNOTE - "The talk page or noticeboard of one or more WikiProjects or other Wikipedia collaborations which may have interest in the topic under discussion."

In particular, there's a number of offline, Polish language sources on the Polish language Wiki article for this person. If anyone is able to access the following sources and see whether they're significant coverage, that would be appreciated:
  • Zbigniew Łojewski, Tadeusz Wołejko: Osiągnięcia Polskiej Lekkiej Atletyki w 40-leciu PRL. Mecze Międzypaństwowe I Reprezentacji Polski seniorów - mężczyźni. Warszawa: Komisja Statystyczna PZLA, 1984.
  • Henryk Kurzyński, Stefan Pietkiewicz, Janusz Rozum, Tadeusz Wołejko: Historia Finałów Lekkoatletycznych Mistrzostw Polski 1920-2007. Konkurencje męskie. Szczecin - Warszawa: Komisja Statystyczna PZLA, 2008. ISBN 978-83-61233-20-6.
  • Biuletyn Polskiego Związku Lekkiej Atletyki. Warszawa: 1999.
Thanks in advance. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:52, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Spyville articleEdit

Hello. I have created an article on "Spyville"/Sobieskiego 100, a formerly Russian building in Warsaw. I've done my best with the article but I'm conscious that there are a lot more sources written in Polish (which I am unfortunately unable to read) which could be used to improve the article. Any input to the article from people with an interest would be appreciated. Thank you. McPhail (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Polish band AfDEdit

Just seeing if anyone can try finding Polish language sources for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulbulators. A delete voter already searched for Polish language sources, but maybe more can be dug up. SL93 (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

"Category:Polish positivism"Edit

Finally today, 21 June 2022, months after I requested the move, a good soul has taken pity and approved the move of "Category:Polish enlightenment" to "Category:Polish Enlightenment", with "Enlightenment" capitalized, as it should have been.

I've now spotted a candidate for an analogous move, for analogous reasons. Just as "Polish Englightenment" is the name of a period in Polish culture and Polish philosophy (please see the latter link), this is also the case with "Polish Positivism".

Would someone be willing to submit a proposal to rename "Category:Polish positivism" to "Category:Polish Positivism", with "Positivism" capitalized, as it should have been? I hope someone younger than me could volunteer for this task, as he (generic "he" !) might have a better chance than I of seeing the fruition of that proposal within his lifetime.

Thank you.

Nihil novi (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2022 (UTC)