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Kundan Srivastava wikiEdit

Hi Team,

I know that some people tried to submit an article about Kundan Srivastava and the article was rejected 3-4 times a few years before because of lack of resources.

Now he has a lot of of sources. Can we have a Wikipedia profile of Kundan Srivastava? Can you verify his reliable sources are mentioned below. I’ll be highly grateful to you.

If you allow then will submit the article about Kundan. He’s a noted Indian human rights activist. Below is the google knowledge panel source.






Works: Sushma Swaraj

Social Media Profiles:

Surbhi20 (talk) 18:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Surbhi20, this appears to be reference bombing. Many of the sources you cite do not mention Srivastava at all, and those which do (at least on a spot check) seem only to be a name drop or brief mention. No number of mentions or name drops results in notability. The requirement is that multiple independent and reliable sources (which your top two are not) cover the subject in depth, not just mention them. That still does not seem to be the case here. If you have some sources you believe satisfy that requirement, please note two or three of those and those particular ones can be evaluated, but a bunch of passing mentions won't do the trick. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


Thankyou for your reply. Sir, all the sources I cite do mention Srivastava’s works.

I understood your words for the independent and multiple sources that you mentioned.

Out of these 6 sources mentioned below many you consider as reliable sources for Wikipedia?





Surbhi20 (talk) 02:31, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Surbhi20, hi - I'm afraid that from a quick check, none of those sources look suitable to me. I've never heard of 'Celebrityborn', 'writingtipsoasis' or 'bepositive' before, but none of them look like reliable sources with reputations for fact checking to me. The name of 'popularwikibio' implies that it is UGC, so also not reliable. INVC might be a bit better, but to be honest that looks like a rehashed press release, and winning a non-notable award (we don't have an article on it, so I assume it is not notable) doesn't make the subject notable. Is there any significant coverage of him in national news media? That would be a good start. GirthSummit (blether) 14:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Thankyou so much for making me understand. Will search his significant coverage of national news media and will get back to you soon.

Surbhi20 (talk) 19:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)


Hi, I hope these sources will works ..Significant coverage of national news media



BBC Interview of activist Kundan Srivastava:



Surbhi20 (talk) 14:49, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

For your main question ‘Can we have a Wikipedia profile of Kundan Srivastava? ’ the answer is: NO.
Wikipedia is not social media (see WP:NOTSOCIALMEDIA) – we don't have 'profiles' of anyone. We have articles about notable subjects, with specific criteria of notability (see WP:NOTABILITY). --CiaPan (talk) 06:45, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Profiles of topics (or people) didn't originate with social media. Any Wikipedia article could reasonably be called a profile of its subject. Let's not allow corporations to steal the language! —{{u|Goldenshimmer}} (they/their)|TalkContributions 03:11, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Honeybee subspecies - A. m. carnica or A. m. carpatica?Edit

Retitle a draftEdit

Is it possible to rename a draft? "Problem" might be better than "contradiction," and "the"? (talk) 01:26, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

The draft can be moved to Problem of Poetics chapters 13 and 14. You can click the "Move" tab at the page top of the draft, change the title, and click the "Move page" button.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
You can do that, but honestly, why? The title can be corrected when it is moved to mainspace and prior to that time, the title doesn't matter. It isn't indexed anywhere, and the title is not relative to whether or not it will make an acceptable encyclopedia article. John from Idegon (talk) 04:23, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Ok. No reason to do it since it's irrelevant to the decision.Cdg1072 (talk) 04:45, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello again, Cdg1072. The eventual article title, if the draft is accepted, should definitely mention Aristotle. Otherwise, the title is a confusing jumble. But focus on the article content at this time, not the title. That comes later. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:53, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I see what you mean, Aristotle should be in the title because it's not common knowledge that he wrote the Poetics.Cdg1072 (talk) 06:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
There is another issue about the article, that those who evaluate it (whatever their decision) might miss. I think it's clear that Dacier's theory on the problem is notable, and it's necessary to point out that he changes the numbering of the four treatments of the 'terrible deed', though of course he rightly uses Aristotle's ranking of them. But Dacier's new numbering is on page 256 in the 1705 English volume containing his notes, while that pages jumps to 241, so Dacier's solution to the problem is on page 245 in that translation. So the page numbering in the 1705 book has this odd break, and so awkward that it's best not to mention in the article. Perhaps if some third-party report of Dacier existed then this glitch could be bypassed. But it is best to use this direct source. I'm just using the page numbers as they are and leave it at that.Cdg1072 (talk) 15:28, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that I ought to use Takeda's third-party assertion that various scholars since the 19th century have endorsed Lessing. I got that information from Takeda, and unless I cite him, then it seems to me not only plagiarism but OR. I'll add it as an extra reference to the sentence. If it's not needed it can be removed later.Cdg1072 (talk) 01:40, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Request to have an article created, unsure where it fits.Edit

I've tried to figure out how to create an article myself, but to my dismay, I just don't get it.

I'd like to create an article for Non-Emergency Medical Transportation. This is a benefit available to many people on Medicare/Medicaid who need assistance getting to doctors appointments.

Where would this fit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smngg7 (talkcontribs) 16:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Advice is available at WP:Your first article. David Biddulph (talk) 18:16, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

That does not help me figure out what category this article should go in. --Smngg7 (talk) 19:41, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Smngg7, Category:Ambulance services? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:54, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
I would like to ask Smngg7 why he is concerned about a "category." That's usually tacked on after the article is accepted. Anyway, I will ask him on his Talk page. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Where is the "talk"-page on a keyword ?Edit

I was more or less happy with "silica gel as a cure for paranoid schizophrenia" appearing in the associated expression's "talk"-page, but these pages seem out of order. Sincerely Lutz Fehling — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

The query in your title above is unclear. Articles have associated talk pages; if you mean the talk page of an article on the subject of some "keyword", you need to tell us clearly what that keyword is.
The phrase you quote above is the title of a section added in August 2018 to the Talk page of the article Silica gel, and was added by someone signing themselves Lutz Fehling, presumably yourself. The text under that section title is, frankly, incomprehensible, and contains no mention of silica gel, or any source linking silica gel and schizophrenia as a cure or otherwise.
I'm afraid you will have to restate your query more clearly before anyone here can respond to it meaningfully. Perhaps you can also clarify what you mean by pages (which ones?) being "out of order" (in what way?).{The poster formerly known as} (talk) 09:13, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

(1) It seems that using the "mobile view" for smartphones makes the "talk"-page unviewable.

However, I remember my comment on the entry "Paranoid Schizophrenia" had been visible even in "mobile view"-mode.

This now has gone (that's why I said "out of order").

I'll just wait and see If you can accept this new attempt to express myself clearly.

(2) Why you're saying that my -other- comment on entry "Silica Gel" is incomprehensible I can't understand because it's short and simple, just saying that in case of madness take some silica gel. Sincerely Lutz Fehling — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:56, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Adding films in which a song appearsEdit

Hello all, I have a question on articles about a song. There doesn't seem to be a standard way to add information about films in which a song appears on the article about that song. I've checked a few songs I know appeared in several movies, but could find no mention of that on their page. Are there good examples I missed, or a reason why that isn't done? It would be useful to de-orphan some articles about movies, if nothing else (looking at Blayqe on a Horse right now, an orphan with notable songs in its soundtrack). Cheers! Robincantin (talk) 15:51, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't know if there's a standard format for this, but the most common approach would probably be a new level 2 header 'In popular culture' with TV, movie and maybe advert appearances below that. Although bear in mind that additions need to be sourced with reliable sources, and given that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, I'd be cautious about going onto every song and listing every film/tv show/advert that uses it. Hugsyrup (talk) 16:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
That, basically. Use in films should probably only be noted in the song's article if the use has been noted by reliable sources. If no RS cared about it, we shouldn't either. Regards SoWhy 16:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Good point about sourcing. Ok, looks like this article will remain an orphan for now. I appreciate the comments, thank you. Robincantin (talk) 16:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
In the dim and distant early days of the 'pedia there were lots of these sections in song articles. Then WP:TRIVIA came along and many were removed. That guideline is less stringent than it used to be but there is still a general feeling that the use of the song in a film should have some degree of notability. For example the use of The Blue Danube in 2001: A Space Odyssey (film) is considered iconic while use of the Symphony No. 7 (Beethoven)#II. Allegretto in The Black Cat (1934 film) isn't. As I mentioned the attitudes about this has been fluid over the years so I am just noting what I've seen and others may feel differently about the situation. MarnetteD|Talk 16:36, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
What SoWhy said, that is my own approach anyway. Existing is not enough, a decent independent source must have noticed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:13, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


Dear hosts, I am around a month here and i know some basic things, but i want to ask a question. I am interested in writing articles very much (i started one-this). As i am Greek, i discovered that the most articles articles about Greek automobiles company are very small, like drafts. I would like to ask if i can make this articles drafts again to improve them, and if there is an other way to do this with not disturbing mainspace wiki. Best regards, Enivak (talk) 17:21, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey Enivak. You can always work on drafts in your sandbox (User:Enivak/sandbox), and then add content to the article once you're finished with it, or you can just work on the article directly. Wikipedia is always a work in progress, and nothing is ever expected to be completely finished or perfect. GMGtalk 19:21, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You may add {{in use}} to the top of the article to inform others that a major edit is underway. --MrClog (talk) 19:22, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much! If i understood well, i cannot make an article draft again, but i can expand it in my sandbox or add a tag about a major edit, right?Enivak (talk) 21:20, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes you can create another one, but you will have to do it on a different subpage.

Yust enter the title of the new article that will be created in this sandbox; click the button, and MediaWiki will direct you to the intended place, a subpage of your userpage, and prefill the edit area with the first things. If you wonder how I created this, see Help:Inputbox. (talk) 06:59, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

User name and article nameEdit

I created a user name and I wanted to find out if the user name is also the article name? I assumed I was creating an account and from there I can create a new article. If the user name is also the article title, how can I change it? David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andradegroup (talkcontribs) 19:18, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Do you want to write your autobiography on Wikipedia? That is not a good idea. Please read and understand the link given. Also see WP:Your first article.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:48, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Usernames and articles are in different spaces in Wikipedia, sort of like different folders of a computer. So, you can have both the article and the user of the same name. But you don't have to create a user of that name to create the article. You can use this account to create any number of articles in many different subjects. If you have created another account, just don't use that one. Always edit wikipedia using only one account. To create an article using this account, read the WP:Your first article as the previous answer suggested. If you still don't find a way after that, it's probably better if you focus on making edits to existing articles for a while, as that is much easier. You can also work on a new article, by writing what you want to put on the article on this page. The sandbox is your private page where you can work on articles or make other test edits. If you get enough content for the article in your sandbox, you can ask here again, and we will move it to draft and help you submit it, so that it can be published. By the way, Wikipedia doesn't allow usernames with names of celebrities, organisations, products, etc. as well as usernames that suggest they're used/shared by a group of people rather than a single person.Usedtobecool ✉️  20:07, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Notable person or AutobiographyEdit

I am newly Trademarked model, musician and radio personality. Should my team create a notable article for fans to search my Biography or autobiography article?

T.I.A. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tia Tropicana (talkcontribs) 19:51, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Tia Tropicana Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a means for people to tell the world about themselves. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is interested in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability(specifically in this case notable people); Wikipedia has no interest in what a subject wants to say about themselves, nor does it have an interest in furthering your career, aiding search results, or publicizing you to the world.
Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged, as people naturally write favorably about themselves. If "your team" attempted to create an article about you, it would be a conflict of interest, and if they are being paid to do so they must declare that per the paid editing policy. If you truly meet the notability criteria, independent editors will take note of you and write about you. I would urge you to not attempt to write (or have written) an article about yourself.
Lastly, please understand that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. Any information, good or bad, can be in an article about you as long as it appears in an independent source. You cannot lock the page to what you want it to say, or prevent others from editing it. 331dot (talk) 20:03, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

A page I found with mistakes.Edit

Look, I'm just hoping someone will care and fix this, since I don't know how to do it.

1963, Donald Rusk Currey cuts down a tree. What he didn't know was that this tree was close to (and maybe exceeded) 5,000 years of age. This whole thing followed him for the rest of his life making it a noteworthy part of history since he killed one of the oldest living things we knew of at the time.

Oops, right?

The page on Donald Rusk Currey shows factual mistakes. I pointed out the mistakes (and my evidence) that I found in the Talk section of the page. I don't know how to do this responsibly so I just left a record so that hopefully someone who does knows how and cares enough to do it, can fix the page.

I thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:49, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

A link: Talk:Donald Rusk Currey#This page has factual mistakes that are easy to spot. Can somebody (who knows how) fix it?. --CiaPan (talk) 21:04, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

If anyone is willing to fix the page, I'd be very grateful to know about it, you can just let me know right here. Thank you again. -OP

Any discussion is best kept on the Talk page itself, but since that Talk page has a watchlist of "less than 30" users who will be notified* of your entry there (* because they have a particular knowledge and/or interest in the article), alerting a few more by posting here was not a bad idea. You could also add the request edit template to your entry there. (I haven't done it for you because doing it yourself will teach you a useful trick.)
That said, please remember that all Editors/Users are unpaid volunteers, and at the moment it's past 2 in the morning or later in Western Eurasia so a large chunk of them are currently asleep (as I ought to be if I had any sense). Remember also that Wikipedia has no deadlines. Responses to Talk page entries can typically take days, rather than the ~6 hours since you made yours. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 01:25, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
I rewrote the section in Donald Rusk Currey to clarify the geography a bit. Pinus longaeva is the species of Bristlecone pine famous as the longest living non-clonal organism. The most famous and accessible of its forests is in the White Mountains of eastern California near Nevada (I have visited and hiked there) but the range of the species extends throughout the high peaks of Nevada and well into Utah. Currey had been working in eastern Nevada near the border with Utah. So, it should now be clear that the incident took place in Nevada, not in California. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:57, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

External links sectionEdit

Is it policy to place a link in the external links section pointing to the same article in Wikipedia, but one that is in a language other than English? Thank you --UberVegan🌾 21:21, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

No, but if you want to add a link to the same article on a different language Wikipedia, you can do so by clicking "Add links" under "Languages" on the left side of the article. --MrClog (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
(ec) @UberVegan: No. As a WP:UGC, Wikipedia is not WP:RELIABLE enough to be WP:SOURCE for Wikipedia, either in the same or another language. However, if you mean just to link two articles on the same subject, written in different languages, then you can do it through WikiData. Which articles are you thinking about? --CiaPan (talk) 21:31, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, both! Yes, I understand that Wiki is not a reliable source. However, on virtually all actors pages, at the bottom, there is an External links section, where their website is listed and their IMDB page... both obviously not RSs. With that, I was thinking that a wiki page from another language might be acceptable. UberVegan🌾 22:20, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:External links might be of help here. I don't have any more info than what's there and what seems to be tolerated on pages that are on mainspace. CiaPan, although correct, may have slightly misunderstood the intent of your question. So, we can safely leave that particular thread at that, and discuss the question you raised. Usedtobecool ✉️  22:33, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! UberVegan🌾 23:13, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia entries in other languages are linked via Wikidata, as above. Reliability is an issue for external links, but it's very relaxed compared to citations. Some unreliable websites are included in the external links if they still have useful content. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:18, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

new profileEdit

just added a new profile for erez bustan, but got a speedy deletion. please example in detail what am i doing wrong.. it seems the only way to get something on wikipedia is to pay someone ( which is not fair ) im adding all the right features and notes that are needed.. are you able to tell me in detail what am i doing wrong so that i don't get deleted all the time — Preceding unsigned comment added by MHJunior21 (talkcontribs) 21:49, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Pinging the deleting admin: Creffett Fastily. --MrClog (talk) 22:11, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
(ec)Hi MHJunior21, it is difficult for everyone to get a hang of things at first. I had my first 2-3 articles speedily deleted or discussion deleted in the beginning too. The sandbox is a place for editors to make mistakes. So, unless it was something serious, they wouldn't have deleted it. The reason given was misuse of wikipedia as a web host. That means the page had no chance of becoming a Wikipedia page. For specific details, you can ask this same question to the deleting administrator at their talk page, since non-admins can't see what was in the deleted page. We have a few admins at the Teahouse. Let's see if one of them drops by and can tell you more. Paying someone else is a bad idea. If the article doesn't deserve to be here, it will get deleted even if it is created by paid editors. If the article deserves to be here, some volunteer here will come around to creating it for free, without even being asked. If you would like to take a crack at it yourself, we are here to help always. Paid editors are technically allowed, so they are tolerated/accommodated. They don't get any special treatment. Usedtobecool ✉️  22:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
MHJunior21, I tagged the page for deletion because it looked like the kind of thing you'd see on a company's "About Our Leadership" webpage, not an encyclopedia article. Additionally, it used language which is strongly associated with promoting a subject (such as "visionary," "innovative," pretty much anything involving the phrase "providing solutions"). If someone is going to have a Wikipedia article, it needs to be neutrally worded, factual, and have reliable sources (such as newspaper coverage, and NOT blog posts or the subject's website) showing that the subject is notable. As far as I can tell, the subject you wrote about does not meet those notability requirements, so I'd recommend picking a different topic. creffett (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
One other thing - Wikipedia pages aren't "profiles," and Wikipedia is not a social network. Wikipedia pages are encyclopedia articles. creffett (talk) 22:33, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

How do I add a photo to a page?Edit

I can't figure it out. Thanks! Rabbit Vet (talk) 02:31, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

@Rabbit Vet: it's kind of complicated. Images have to be uploaded either here on Wikipedia or to Wikimedia Commons before they can be used. We can't link to external images. Once we have an image here, you can insert it via wikicode: [[file:example.jpg]]. There are some tutorials and policies at Wikipedia:Images. Usually, what you want to do is use a thumbnail and add some descriptive text, so you'd use: [[file:example.jpg|thumb|this is my example]]. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate: Thanks for the link to the images page! I couldn't figure out how to find it. Now I'll give it a go. Rabbit Vet (talk) 03:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate: Thanks for your help, I got it to work! Rabbit Vet (talk) 13:51, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

American modernismEdit

I saw this page while on citation hunt and it appears to have a lot of problems. Not sure if majority of what is written is about article, what should I do? I was thinking to stub it and leave only parts with references even if they are a bit off topic? Aocdnw (talk) 11:01, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to make it better. You should discuss this on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:30, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@Aocdnw: fixing the ping... RudolfRed (talk) 21:31, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
I understand general changes to specific article are to be discussed on Talk page of said article, but I am asking for guidance on how to deal with articles that have numerous issues in general. I have taken a closer look and concluded there is original research as well in addition to entirely unreferenced sections, essay writing and weird referencing of parts that do have them, not inline. Aocdnw (talk) 01:03, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Training myself to edit WikipediaEdit

Apologies if this question elicits a collective groan, if I have not read a post somewhere. I could do with some help

Recently I have tried with some success to edit a wikipedia page, but the more I do, the more questions it raises:

1. I started editing a page which was so full of self promotion it was inaccurate and like an advert 2. The more I edit and correct ( without full training ) the more I feel that I am being awkward, even though I am correcting inaccuracies as best I can 3. I would like to move beyond editing one page, and venture out into Wikipedia, but first I want to learn how to do this properly

Are there courses, videos, online training or otherwise I would learn for free or even pay for?

I want to be sure that when I edit something or add content, I am doing it right, being fair, and adhering to all the rules

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billiebluebelle (talkcontribs) 13:35, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Billiebluebelle
We could start with "Please sign all posts on talk pages with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp" (joke)
Joking aside - we have WP:The Wikipedia Adventure - which is fairly basic, and should take about an hour, but I don't think we have an advanced tutorial.
As for "adhering to all the rules" there are so many guidelines, that I'm sure no-one knows them all, indeed, I don't think we even know how many "rules" there are.
If you have specific questions, please come back here and ask, Happy editing - Arjayay (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Billiebluebelle. Not exactly about policies, nor about the mechanics of editing, but I think you might find WP:BRD helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 21:11, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Billiebluebelle - in addition to the Adventure that Arjayay suggested to you, you could also take a look at Wikipedia:Tutorial, or at this page, which is intended for students, but has some content that you might find useful. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 22:19, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

I just wanted to say thank you to all the people who responded, I will take a look at all links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billiebluebelle (talkcontribs) 13:24, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

can't get Wiki markup to workEdit

As a beginner, last year I added text to 'Douglas Labalmondiere'.

Following comment on lack of references I have attempted to add one reference to the Kerry Evening post, as you can see. But it does not create a reference at the bottom.

What should I be doing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkGBarratt (talkcontribs) 14:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, MarkGBarratt. You inserted the code <ref>Kerry Evening Post 29th Sept 1847/<ref>, whereas the correct version would be <ref>Kerry Evening Post 29th Sept 1847</ref> (note the position of the slash at the end). Incidentally, I would suggest that you also try to include an article title and page number if possible. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

AboutPage PublishingEdit

I Create a page about myself and my Page is not Shown on Google Search engine. can you tell me where is problem — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binder Pal Singh (talkcontribs) 16:15, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

User pages are not indexed by Google, and new articles are not indexed until they are reviewed (or are 90 days old). Dbfirs 17:12, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
The article in your sandbox is an autobiography which is discouraged. If you think you are WP:Notable in the Wikipedia sense, then you should collect independent WP:Reliable sources in which you have been written about at length, and summarise in your own words what these sources say. YouTube is not a reliable source. Dbfirs 17:23, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Wiki for musical artistEdit

Hello, how can I create Wikipedia for a solo musical artist, can someone assistant me ? Please!

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabiaceworld (talkcontribs) 16:16, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Gabiaceworld, welcome to the Teahouse! You can make an article for the music artist by going to the article wizard. I recommend you practice first in your sandbox. LPS and MLP Fan (LittlestPetShop) (MyLittlePony) 16:58, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@Gabiaceworld: I really loved listening to your music featuring Kwaku. BUT, you are not allowed to create a userpage that resembles an encyclopaedia article that promotes yourself, as you have done. Had you not come to the Teahouse, I would have flagged it for 'speedy deletion' under rule WP:CSD G11. Please read WP:USERPAGE to understand what is allowed. Because this is an encylopaedia of 'notable' things, and not a place to promote yourself, please delete that content before another editor here flags it for deletion. You should also read WP:NMUSIC to understand when a musician is deemed notable enough to merit a page on Wikipedia. I regret that you, like tens of thousands of others, are simply not there yet. But best wishes for your music career, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Which is more valid, a preserved history 400 years old or a MYTH taught by most history professors?Edit


Most professors, who teach American Colonial History, teach a MYTH.


Mydavidpaine (talk) [1]

I think that a preserved history 400 years old is more valid, because the Lenape history information can be supported with WP:RS. American colonial history is not a myth because it existed. There are lots of evidence proving its existence. LPS and MLP Fan (LittlestPetShop) (MyLittlePony) 16:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

OU WROTE “Lenape history information can be supported with WP:RS.” I can not find where or how “Lenape History” is supported by WP:RS. Please explain how I can find the “support.” The “Lenape History” I refer to is chapter 3 of the Walam Olum. Wikipedia says that there is “significant evidence that the document is a hoax.” I dispute that statement. Every word of the Walam Olum can be traced to an Old Norse word and its meaning. I contend the Lenape History as preserved in chapter 3 of the Walam Olum is valid. To prove it is a “Hoax” you need to show me several recorded words that are NOT traceable to Old Norse. Mydavidpaine (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:00, 20 July 2019 (UTC) You wrote “American colonial history is not a myth because it exists.” I contend that American colonial history is a MYTH because the events that happened in the 17th century have been profoundly distorted. Many of the events have been left out. For example, tell me what happened at Jamestown in the years 1610 through 1614. I was not taught about the 300 fully armored men with the latest flintlocks, were you? I was not taught that those men pillaged 40 miles of the James river on both sides, were you. I was not taught that the church they captured in Henrico county had been built by Bishop Guppson, five centuries earlier, where you. I was not taught that Thomas Dale repeatedly raped Pocahotas, in that church, were you? I was taught that she married John Ralph. So were you. But I was not taught that she named her son for the father-Thomas. I was not taught that a fourteen cannon frigate full of those men sailed up the coast to in 1612 to destroy churches, were you? I was not taught that the people in those churches were Catholics, who spoke Norse, were you? We, you and I, were taught a MYTH where the facts of colonial America have be suppressd by omission. The professors teach the MYTH.Mydavidpaine (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Mydavidpaine. First, the appropriate place for a discussion on the content of an article is the talk page of that article. Secondly, Wikipedia relies on reliable published secondary sources: primary sources can be used only in limited ways, and only to provide additional detail on a matter covered in secondary sources. I'm not sure what it is you are arguing, but I can tell you that unless your interpretation of a historical text has been published in a reliable scholarly source, then Wikipedia will not take note of it. Please also see FRINGE. --ColinFine (talk) 21:56, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


How can I make income with Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moses4money (talkcontribs) 16:58, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia’s editors are just volunteers. The site doesn’t pay editors to edit. Outside parties can pay editors to edit, which isn’t an accepted practice because it is seen as conflict of interest editing. LPS and MLP Fan (LittlestPetShop) (MyLittlePony) 17:03, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You can't. Wikipedia is written and edited by volunteers who discourage paid editing. See WP:PAID. Occasionally someone will advertise that they charge a fee for editing here, but often this is a scam or from someone who does not understand Wikipedia policies. Dbfirs 17:10, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

How do I use a reference twice?Edit

Do I need to re-enter all the reference information, or is there a way to cross reference? Thanks much, Rabbit Vet (talk) 17:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Rabbit Vet, see Help:Referencing_for_beginners#Same_reference_used_more_than_once. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:28, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Briefly, rather than <ref> at the beginning of a ref you create a ref name, for example <ref name=Sanger2018> All the other times you want to use that ref, you enter <ref name=Sanger2018 with a backslash before the closing >. REMEMBER THE BACKSLASH. The complete ref does not need to be the first usage in the text. David notMD (talk) 19:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@Rabbit Vet: When you cite a book or journal, don't state the full page range of the article. Just give the page number(s) that actually support the statement youve made. If you reuse a reference you can specify different page numbers for each one with the {{rp}} template, added right after the citation. Thus, rp|437 between double curly brackets renders as ref:437, and you can then reuse that same ref to give, say, ref:468. Hope this is clear, but dont worry if not everything here makes sense immediately. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:06, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Oh! If I am supposed to just put the page number in question (not the range of pages in the article) then I would need a unique reference for each page used. In which case I won't be duplicating references very often. Rabbit Vet (talk) 06:12, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
@Rabbit Vet: The method suggested by Nick Moyes actually involves two templates: one for the citation itself and one for for the page number you want to cite; so, you can use WP:REFNAME and the "rp" template together. What Nick is suggesting is that you leave the |page= parameter in the citation template empty, and then add the page numbers using the "rp" template. In the "References" section, you will see only one citation for the source, but in the body of the article you will see a footnote marker for each time the source is cited followed by the page(s) being cited in parenthesis. In addition to this method, there is also another way to cite the same source multiple times using shortened footnotes, but this way is a little tricky and might not be in accordance with the already established citation style. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for expanding on my reply, Marchjuly. (I tried to keep my own reply as short as possible as I'm currently only able to edit using one digit on a small mobile, whilst lying on a lilo in a sleeping bag, in the dark, in a tent on a French campsite, whilst not disturbing my sleeping partner. Just can't keep away - even when on my hols!) Nick Moyes (talk) 21:30, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Question about this page - The Red Sea Diving ResortEdit

Hi there, I have been trying to update this page - - to correct the misinformation that the film is based on a book by Gad Shimron. That is not correct. The film was written and directed by Gideon Raff.

Below is the synopsis:

Inspired by remarkable true life rescue missions, THE RED SEA DIVING RESORT is the incredible story of a group of international agents and brave Ethiopians who in the early 80s used a deserted holiday retreat in Sudan as a front to smuggle thousands of refugees to Israel. The undercover team carrying out this mission is led by the charismatic Ari Kidron (Chris Evans) and courageous local Kabede Bimro (Michael Kenneth Williams). The prestigious cast also includes Haley Bennett, Alessandro Nivola, Michiel Huisman, Chris Chalk, Greg Kinnear and Ben Kingsley.

And here is the official page from Netflix for reference if you need further background info: <>

Take the discussion to the Talk page of the article. Multiple editors are flipping back and forth on whether Gad wrote the book and Gideon the screenplay, or Gideon an original screenplay, with no connection to Gad. David notMD (talk) 21:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

What is a watchlist?Edit

I don't understand what a watchlist is. I assumed it would show revisions made by editors that occurred on a page I added to the watchlist. I have pages on my watchlist, but when I click on Watchlist near my user name, it never shows me any "changes to pages since I last visited them," but when I go to the history of the page, many changes have occurred. How is the watchlist supposed to be used? Thanks, --Farm lenses (talk) 23:17, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Farm lenses, you might try this: go to your Preferences > Watchlist > Advanced > and select "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent". I'm pretty sure the default is that the watchlist only shows edits that are the most recent change. Hope that helps! Schazjmd (talk) 23:21, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Schazjmd, thanks, but still nothing. Yes, I cleared my cache. I must be doing something fundamentally wrong? It doen't show most recent, it doesn't show anything. But I do have pages on the watchlist and the pages have had changes according to their histories. --Farm lenses (talk) 23:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Ha ha, answered my own question. As soon as I stop choking from laughter, I'll explain. Or maybe I'm too embarrassed to! Thanks again for the thoughtful reply. --Farm lenses (talk) 23:43, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Farm lenses, now I'm intrigued...  Schazjmd (talk) 23:45, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Not too interesting, there are many options to change the editing interface, and I always select personal preferences because I use technical instruments, and I'm used to going in and setting things up for me. I had picked to only look at changes made in the last 1 days! I haven't edited for a few months. On top of that, I mixed up my watchlist and my contributions. After I had edited a few articles, I picked to add articles I edit to my watchlist, then I didn't do anything for 2 months, and I was checking the history of my contributions saying, "Someone edited that."--Farm lenses (talk) 23:54, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for satisfying my curiousity! Happy editing. Schazjmd (talk) 23:58, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Edit HelpEdit

Hi. I tried to add a third-party source where it was needed. And, I obviously don't know what I am doing. Here is where I made the add.

"Soroptimist International (SI) is a worldwide volunteer service organization for women who work for peace, and in particular to improve the lives of women and girls, in local communities and throughout the world. Through its General (Category One) Consultative Status as a non-governmental organization at the United Nations, the organization seeks equality, peace, and international goodwill for women.[4][third-party source needed] </ref>{{[1]. Retrieved 20 July 2019}}</ref>"

Please educate me. Thanks, Gerryruth

In general you can add sources by surrounding the URL or book name with <ref>-Tags. It's often a good idea to include other information such as the access date, the title or ISBNs as well, to prevent the link from becoming useless if the website changes. Since this is really odd on large articles, certain Templates, such as Template:Cite web exist to help you. To use them, type {{Cite web and then a | separated argument list. You can also copy that from the template page (Section Usage). If you want to use an argument, find the argument name in the list and include its value after the equal sign. I will include an example here, yust show the source code to see it.



  1. ^ Doe, Jon (2019-03-11). "Example page". Retrieved 2019-07-21.
I suggest that you go over to the Wikipedia:Sandbox and test it. If you don't want to use a website as a source, you use a different template, many of them are in Category:Citation Style 1 templates. (talk) 06:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Google french translation of an english Wikipedia page about Richard Fahey.Edit

Google translated "He has saddled over 30 Group race winners..." by "Il a TRUQUE plus de 30 vainqueurs de courses de groupe...". Saddled means "sellé " not "truqué " what is a big problem for the reputation of this honorable working man. I don't know how to change this fact because it's not a Wikipedia translation. Please can you do something ?

You are asking at the wrong place. Wikipedia has no control over the failures of Google translate: you need to contact Google if you think they will take any notice (they ignore me, but you might have more success?) If you can suggest an alternative English phrase that will not confuse Google, then please go ahead and suggest it. Dbfirs 09:46, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Horseraces, It actually means: "He rigged more than 30 winners of group races." It's most inadvisable to do any translations yourself or using a machine translation if you are not almost perfectly bilingual. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:22, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


Olawale Omotolani Gazal was born in Lagos Nigeria (October 14th 2001). He is the first Child of his Mother and Father, and the first grandchild of his mothers side. Olawale has 3 younger brothers. He dances with Fitkids Fitteens (FKFT) since he was 11 years old,he started dancing at the age of 4 when he got inspired by Michael Jackson. Ever since then he has never given up on dancing. Olawale has 3.9K followers on Instagram: And also manages Ollystv

full name: Olawale Omotolani Gazal

Known as: Olywalle

Nationality: Nigerian

D.O.B: 14 October 2001

Ethnicity: Black-Irish

Height: 6ft 1

Hobby: Hip-Hop Dance & Football/Basketball

Michael Jackson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olywalle (talkcontribs) 10:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Olywalle - you don't seem to be asking a question here, but I assume that you want to write an article about this person. Given your username, I assume that you are this same person? You should take a look at WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY - writing an article about yourself is not encouraged, and for someone else to write an article about you they would need reliable sources showing that you are notable. I'm afraid that your Instagram account would not suffice for these purposes. Let us know if you have any questions you would like to be addressed. GirthSummit (blether) 11:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Yera LeeEdit

I made an article for a child model called Yera Lee. After. I wrote it it said that I didn't have reference and if I didn't add it then it would be deleted in 7 days. the problem is I am trying to add the references in and trying to edit it but it keeps saying "error not saved",I am not quite sure what to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arikim123 (talkcontribs) 12:24, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

@Arikim123:, welcome to the Teahouse. It's hard to know exactly why you are getting this issue - perhaps you are trying to add a blacklisted link as a reference? I think you'd get a slightly different error message in that case, though. (What is the reference you are trying to add?) Could you try using a different device to edit the page and see if you still have problems saving? --bonadea contributions talk 13:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
The thing is I use another device and it still keeps saying Error but even if I EDIT a word or something it wont work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arikim123 (talkcontribs) 00:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Arkim123. The first thing might be to take a look at Wikipedia:Too soon and Wikipedia:Notability (people) because if you're unable to establish that Yera Lee is Wikipedia notable enough for a Wikpedia article to be written about her, adding sources is not really going to prevent the article from being deleted. Adding one source will take care of the WP:BLPPROD tag, but the article still would be unlikely to survive a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.
The next thing to probably take a look at is Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. If by chance you have some kind of personal or professional connection to Lee, you probably shouldn't really be trying to write an article about her in the first place. If she's truly Wikipedia notable enough for an article to be written, someone completely unconnected to her most likely will someday right such an article. You can ask someone to do just that by posting a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles or you can maybe try asking for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan or even at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers
As for adding references to articles, it's hard to understand why your getting an error message without seeing exactly what you're trying to add. Are you following the advice given in Help:Referencing for beginners; if not, try doing what's suggested there. If you're doing what's suggested and still having problems, then there may be an issue with the link your trying to add. Start a discussion at Talk:Yera Lee and see if you can add the link there. If you can then perhaps Bonadea, myself, or another editor can figure out why your having problems. When you add the link to the article's talk page, go to the top of the page and and click "New section". Then, add a section heading in the "Subject/headline" window and then add the link and the describe the problem your having in main editing window. You can add the links as described in WP:EL#How to link. At the end of your post, please add your signature, and then click "Show preview" to check that everything OK. If it is, click "Publish changes" and someone will try and figure things out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


I recently worked on the article Paul Kuhr but a couple of editors - Heavy Metal Archives and (likely the same) - keep reverting all the edits without explanations. I've tried starting a conversation on the talk page and on Heavy Metal Archives's talk page, but without response. Are there other things I can do to understand the user's thoughts, or admins to contact to help resolve the dispute. Looking for a little direction. Thanks 9H48F (talk) 14:13, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

If they don't answer your call to dialog, I'd say you've reached a point where you can report it at WP:ANI without the admins getting mad. The user seems to be a paid editor or someone close based on the message they left at the other user's page. They seem to be acting like they OWN the page, based on that message. You can try leaving a message for COI on their talk page. But if they are not acknowledging you at all, ANI is the place to ask for help. Be sure to mention that the other user is a single purpose account only guarding that one article. If you have tried asking for dialog in the summaries, the article's talk page and the user's talk page, and you haven't violated any rules yourself, you will be heard at ANI. Usedtobecool ✉️  15:05, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Usedtobecool, a few other editors edited the article and made comments on the talk and user talk pages. I'll see if that has solved the issues, but if not will report to WP:ANI. 9H48F (talk) 20:39, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I can see that! Those are our Teahouse regulars (at least in the time I've been around). Teahouse rules!! Usedtobecool ✉️  20:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

How can an independent source know about me?Edit

Is wikipedia intently biased? How can a person in front who does not experience my direct experiences write correctly about my experiences? Is such not the case with you all? If such is the case why insist a independent source and not myself while writing my experiences? ॐ Tat Sat (talk) 14:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Please see the replies you received here. --bonadea contributions talk 15:07, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
(ec)The place to write about your experiences is a personal blog or a social media update. No one should be writing on Wikipedia about their own or others' experiences. Wikipedia summarises information that is published out there so anyone looking for information can get a brief overview of the subject and a place to start looking for reliable sources that have worked and published on the subject that they are interested in. Wikipedia promises no more. Usedtobecool ✉️  15:12, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
"No one should be writing on Wikipedia about their own or others' experiences." which in-short means, if the references are biased, wikipedia is going to remain biased? It is just going to re-iterate the references and not allow truth to come out? What else can justify the truth other than match with a direct experience? If a direct experience does not match, the reference is a fake one? ॐ Tat Sat (talk) 06:24, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
@AUMSat: On the other hand, everybody is inherently biased when it comes to their own experiences. We may think they are more, or less, important than an objective person who doesn't know us would, for instance. So yes, Wikipedia does rely on published sources and not on personal experience, but is of course concerned with the sources being reliable. If there is an article about you on Wikipedia, and if there are obvious factual errors (that can be checked by other persons), you can use the talk page of that article and post the code {{edit request}} followed by the details about the change(s) you want to make. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 06:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Can someone correct a bad link?Edit

I am a descendant of Gen John Floyd of Georgia. In reading about the Battle of Autossee which he led, you have a link to a Virginia "cousin Floyd" named John B. Floyd. This John B. is the wrong man. Gen John Floyd of Georgia has no middle initial, and the John B. you site was only 7 years old at the time of the battle.

Here is the article on the Battle of Autossee with the incorrect link:

Here is the INCORRECT "John B. Floyd" where the Autossee link takes you:

Here is the CORRECT John Floyd who should be linked in the Autossee article:

The links are CORRECT for the Battle of Calebee" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:B450:7800:F4B7:D56F:EA51:4538 (talk) 15:56, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Corrected. Thanks for pointing out the error. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:02, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


Hi i have a questionnaire how can i keep the second numbers of the episode list for good — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cneeds1390 (talkcontribs) 16:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Cneeds1390. That is something you must discuss on the article's Talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

How to add images which not have copyrightEdit

I want to add image to a page which has no copyright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sujay 1803 (talkcontribs) 16:19, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

@Sujay 1803: Check out WP:FUW. Interstellarity (talk) 18:12, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Sujay1803. How do you know that the image you want to use has no copyright? Unless you've created the image yourself, generally anything you find published somewhere in print or online is going to be assumed to be copyrighted unless it clearly states otherwise. If no information at all is provided about an image's copyright status, then it's best to assume that it is copyrighted. Just for reference, something created by someone else which can be freely copied (even if you purchased the work the image is being used in) doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as "free from copyright protection". In other words, you can buy a magazine, newspaper, or book but that doesn't make you the copyright holder of the content (text or images) contained in therein. You can buy a music CD or movie DVD, but that doesn't make you the copyright holder of the music or the movie. You can freely access (with paying a fee) the website of a political party, sports team or company, but that doesn't make you the copyright holder of the content found on their websites. So, you might want to take a look at c:Commons:Licensing and Wikipedia:Copyrights#Guidelines for images and other media files for more specific information about this. You might also want to ask for help at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions and provide more details about the actual file you want to upload. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

link formatting questionEdit

How would the following be formatted so it would go within brackets, like any other wikilink?

Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello deisenbe. Did you mean the link I have put below? Not sure why you would put a link to Wikipedia search results on Wikipedia, though. In Edit mode, you can view how that link is constructed.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


Thanks. deisenbe (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Blacklisted websiteEdit

Hello all you super helpful people! I have another question for you. While editing the myxomatosis page, I tried to add a website reference to and got an error message that says "Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist.". Interested in why this website is blacklisted I followed the links to but don't see the website listed there. I can leave the link out but am curious, why is it being blocked? Rabbit Vet (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

In the list there is a line \bcreative-biolabs\.com\b. David Biddulph (talk) 17:20, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I managed to dig up Websites of company that sells research reagents, getting spammed into various articles about biology by the above IP and others.. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
BTW, you can ask for "whitelsting" a specific link at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

My Article DeclinedEdit

Hello Teahouse, Today i submitted a new article which is declined by some reason. Can any one help me to approve this article in Wikipedia.

Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gurikalyan (talkcontribs) 18:35, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Apparently, you forgot to read this:
"Submission declined on 21 July 2019 by User:ToBeFree.
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you."

The information above appears at the top of your draft article.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Gurikalyan, if something specific is unclear, I'll happily explain, but "some reason" is too broad to provide any different answer than above. The page WP:42 offers an (over)simplified explanation of the issue. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Questions about references, citingEdit

I stick to copyediting on here & have questions concerning an article I'd like to edit. It's titled Chup! ,about a music album. Unfortunately, it's filled with so much personal bias, that most of the article needs either reworded or deleted. I'm still learning; thanks for your patience!

QUESTION 1) My edits will significantly change the content & size of this article; are there any steps I should take before I begin, like posting on the article or author's talk-page? (I've read about "good faith", but also about edit-wars). QUESTION 2) I'm unable to get Reference #1 link to work correctly. I don't know how to fix or remove it. Is it ok to fix everything else but leave a "broken-link" template behind? QUESTION 3) Because Reference #1 link doesn't work, I'll need another source to maintain the "3 source requirement". I'm not very familiar with what constitutes a reliable source --when it comes to music-- and was surprised to see that the source used for Reference #2 was just a music selling site called "CdBaby". Does this source actually count, and if so, do other music-selling sites count as well? QUESTION 4) When it comes to citing a source during or after a sentence, If the same source is used to create content in more than one paragraph, do I place multiple inline citations/footnotes, or just place one at the end of the section, like the author did?

When replying, if you can start each answer with QUESTION 1..,etc, it'll help me comprehend it better. (disabled body, abled heart :) Thanks! MinorEnglishMajor (talk) 01:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy: the article is Chup! (Note italics). I 100% agree the article is not in neutral point of view (NPOV). Wikipedia philosophy is be bold in making changes (explaining what you did in Edit summary), and if reverted, discuss at the article's Talk page. David notMD (talk) 03:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello, MinorEnglishMajor. I agree with the above advice. Looking at the article's history, it was started by a now-banned user, and, by today's standards, would not be approved as an article, given it has at best 2 reliable sources. Be bold and clean it up!--Quisqualis (talk) 03:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

new teahouse thing?Edit

hi.i am wayne135.what is the teahouse?is it about editing?i am so excited to use this teahouse thing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waynefeng135 (talkcontribs) 01:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

what is the teahouse? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waynefeng135 (talkcontribs) 01:22, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

It is a page on Wikipedia (this page) where users can get help with, and answers to questions about, editing. Eman235/talk 03:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

New articles to improve?Edit

Hi guys. I’m just learning about how to be a wiki editor so would love to be pointed to some articles that need editing for grammar and punctuation. Please let me know if you have any! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnathonJ (talkcontribs) 04:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello JohnathonJ, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find articles in need of grammar and punctuation fixes via Wikipedia:Random page patrol. You can try looking for Wikipedia:WikiProjects to find articles to improve. Happy editing. LPS and MLP Fan (LittlestPetShop) (MyLittlePony) 05:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi JohnathonJ, also take a look at Typo Team to fix misspellings. Schazjmd (talk) 16:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

broke the pageEdit

Talk:Book censorship in China I followed the instructions to apply the peer review tag but it didnt work and the purge button doesn't work either. I don't want to edit this page because its apparently very controversial. should it be protected since some editors dont like any content to be changed to some articles even if it's well referenced? It would be very helpful for editors to do this so other editors dont waste their time adding to it if it's a pet project. (talk) 04:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi IP It's pretty hard to "break" a Wikipedia page and pretty much every mistake can be fixed by simply WP:UNDOING the problem edit. So, you can also self-revert your edit if you feel you accidentally created a problem. Just make sure to leave an edit summary explaining why. As for page protection, that's only really done to stop serious cases of ongoing disruption when other attempts to do so have been tried and failed; pages aren't really "locked" just to prevent certain editors from editing them. If you disagree with some of the edits being made to the article, try and follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and engage these other editors on the article's talk page. You can also try Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle too, but make sure you don't get caught up in any edit warring. Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project and it's OK to be WP:BOLD when you edit, but on controversial subjects it sometimes is better to be WP:CAUTIOUS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I want to write about a companyEdit

Hello All,

Please I am willing to write about a company and I tried creating one, but was flagged for deletion, can someone guide and tell me what I'm getting wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by O'blues (talkcontribs) 06:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi O'blues. It looks like the administrator who deleted your "sandbox" is CambridgeBayWeather; I cannot see your sanbox, but perhaps CambridgeBayWeather can clarify what the problem was. You can post a message at User talk:CambridgeBayWeather and ask. In general, only companies deemed to be Wikipedia notable per Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) are considered OK to write an article about; moreover, articles aren't supposed to be written to promote the company, but rather only reflect the kind of significant in-depth coverage the company is receiving from reliable sources independent of the company. In other words, Wikipedia isn't really interested (for the most part) in what the company might have to say about itself, or helping the company expand its business; it's only interested in neutrally worded content (both positive and negative) which can be verified through citations to reliable sources. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello O'blues, and welcome to the Teahouse. That a company exists is not enough for it to have a WP-article, the bar is higher than that. For example, the company's own websites can not be used as an argument that it should have a WP-article. Take the time to read WP:NORG and WP:Your first article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @O'blues: You've got a message at your talk page User talk:O'blues#Speedy deletion nomination of User:O'blues/sandbox which explains what you got wrong: ‘the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, (...) and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic’. In other words, with a bit of exaggeration, it was about how wonderful the company is, not about what the company is. Please see WP:TONE for some hints on writing objective articles.
As your first article, it was probably about a company you know closely, possibly from working at it. Please read carefully a policy on WP:Conflict of interest, which requires dislosure in case you have COI. The more if the COI results from your job – then stronger requirements defined in WP:PAID policy apply.
It might also happen the company doesn't appear that important to the rest of the world as you think. Please see the general guidelines on notability: WP:N, as well as specific guidelines that apply to companies: WP:NCORP.
If you're sure the subject is notable enough, you must demonstrate that by proper referencing – see the WP:VER policy, which describes how to select appropriate sources and how to use them to support Wikipedia articles. --CiaPan (talk) 07:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you all for your advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by O'blues (talkcontribs) 07:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 983#How to prevent my article to be deletedEdit

Dear All,

I received a notification my draft article Draft:Eurodiaconia is being considered for deletion. I did not intend to breach any wikipedia guidelines and am hoping to receive some feedback in order to understand what I did wrong when editing and how to fix it. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by JAmbrogi (talkcontribs) 08:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

One thing which would assist reviewers of your draft would be if you were to provide expanded citations in place of bare urls. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
JAmbrogi, there is a page where editors discuss reasons to delete (or not to delete) this article. Please take a look at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eurodiaconia. Thanks. William2001(talk) 09:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks William. I have now changed the format of my references and added more independent sources. Please let me know if anything else is missing. JAmbrogi (talk) 10:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


Can someone check this article for me pls? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EPICGAMER890 (talkcontribs) 09:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi EPICGAMER890 - I've taken a look at the article, and there are a few issues which jumped out at me.
  • Some of the text is addressing the reader in the second person ("your image", "you can") - we don't do that in articles.
  • There's also a little bit of WP:EDITORIALISING ("But, of course, you can still...") - try to avoid using phrases like 'of course', or 'obviously' or anything like that - just give the factual information.
  • You're also using Sony's website as a source a couple of times - I'd remove that if possible, and rely purely on the independent secondary sources, per WP:RS.
  • The appearance and material section seems to incorporate an external link, which isn't necessary, and a bit of possibly puffy language (pristine - is that a brand name, or a description?), and it's entirely unsourced.
  • Some of the other information isn't obviously sourced, like the list price (which doesn't specify the currency - I assume that's US dollars, but could be Canadian, Australian, Singaporian...)
  • I don't think the History section needs to be broken down into bullet points. You could simply say in prose that it was first produced in April 2015, and is still in production as of July 2019.
  • Finally, and perhaps most importantly, I don't think the current sourcing establishes notability. This is a commercial product, so WP:CORPDEPTH guidelines for sourcing apply. The EPhotoZine source is a pretty detailed and I think goes part of the way towards establishing notability, but but require multiple such sources. The DPReview one is very short, it pretty much lists the features - I don't think that would count towards notability. I can't comment on the 'camera decisions' source, it's giving me a 404, perhaps there's a mistake with the URL? The other refs are all affiliated (Sony websites), so as it stands I don't think we've established notability. Try to find at least one more in-depth review, along the same lines as the EPhotoZine one.
I hope that's helpful. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 10:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello EPICGAMER890 and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that drafts are reviewed by volunteers based on their capacities. Requesting a review on the Teahouse or somewhere else is unlikely to speed up the process since there is no reason why your draft should get preferential treatment. Regards SoWhy 10:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Edited an article and submitted it but only the old article shows not the new updates ?Edit


I edited this article on wikipedia with the latest updates , references and citations. But suddenly new updated article is not showing only the old one is, why has this happened.

Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suneetduggal (talkcontribs) 09:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Suneetduggal - if you look at the edit history of the article, you'll see that another user reverted your changes. In their edit summary, they noted that all your updates were based on the university website. If that is correct, they were probably right to revert your changes - per RS, we rely on independent secondary sources over affiliated sources. If you think their revert was in error, and you have reliable secondary sources to support the changes that you want to make, you should start a discussion on the article talk page. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 10:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
@Suneetduggal: Your edits were removed by GorgeCustersSabre (talk · contribs) with this edit because they relied solely on primary sources that are not reliable. Regards SoWhy 10:11, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Reporting VandalsEdit

Hi, How can I report the vandals? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loriserforc (talkcontribs) 12:00, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@Loriserforc: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Vandalism may be reported to WP:AIV. 331dot (talk) 12:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
@Loriserforc: And a tip: Twinkle can be used to make that process easier. --MrClog (talk) 12:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Published DraftEdit

Greetings! I created a page on wikipedia which has been moved to the mainspace but discovered that when I searched from Google, I can still see the draft online. Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opeinoluwa101 (talkcontribs) 12:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@Opeinoluwa101: Hello. Please only ask for help in one location, to avoid duplication and confusion. Google does not index drafts, so I'm not sure why it would be showing up there, but we have no control over Google search results. You would need to contact Google. It does take time for search engines to update and index new articles, so you will need to be patient. 331dot (talk) 12:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


HI I WANT TO CREATE A PAGE FOR MY NOTABLE GRANDFATHER. HOW? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Payal ki CHUM CHUM (talkcontribs) 14:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Step 1. Stop SHOUTING.
Step 2. Read WP:Notability
Step 3. go through WP:YFA.
Good luck!. --CiaPan (talk) 14:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Delete accountEdit

Please Delete the membership I just created which was a mistake Babe53Noel Dixon5610, Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babe53Noel (talkcontribs) 16:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Babe53Noel Accounts cannot be deleted; simply abandon the account. 331dot (talk) 16:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

What's up with sexual allegation coverage on Wikipedia?Edit

I consider this as a meta-issue and find it appropriate to discuss. Currently, I am in a discussion at Talk:Neymar. But that's not my issue here, RFC is the place to go for that. My problem is that why are these types of issues getting covered up so often? Certainly a sexual assault allegation is not the same as a football transfer rumor, isn't it? Maybe this is a result of gender gap of registered users? I am up for open discussions. Interested articles are also up at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost, the latest edition. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 16:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Is this article good for publication?Edit

Patrice de Camaret – (born Guillain Louis Patrice Marie de Camaret, 02 January 1952) a French/ Brazilian national, is the principal partner of Squanto Cayman – a single family office, with offices in Sao Paulo, London and NY.

EARLY LIFE de Camaret was born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - of French and Brazilian parentage. His father - Michel de Camaret – who belonged to an old French family, was a French diplomat, politician and an important war hero. (colocar link de Michel de Camaret). His late mother Maria Theodora de Camaret, also from an old Rio de Janeiro family, remarried Jean de Mailly-Nesle. de Camaret spent his childhood in Brazil and aged 8, moved to France where he completed his French Baccalaureate at the Ecole & College Saint Louis and studied Advanced Maths at the College Stanislas de Paris. In 1971 he moved to London and attended the London School of Economics. In 1984, having moved to Brazil, de Camaret married Daniela Amaral Crespi and they had two sons – Alexis and Nicolas de Camaret. The whole family moved to London in 2001 and in 2009 he divorced Daniela.

EARLY CAREER His early career was in banking with Banco Frances Brasileiro (Brazil) and Credit Lyonnais (France), where he worked as a Credit Officer, Client Relationship Manager and Investment Advisor respectively. In 1981, de Camaret moved back to Brazil and started working at the local subsidiary of the Louis Dreyfus Group - Coinbra S/A – specializing in commodity processing and trading. Over the next two decades he was involved in various other activities and locations, in a senior management capacity, eventually becoming the CEO of Louis Dreyfus worldwide commodities in 2003. He was instrumental in developing Louis Dreyfus worldwide activities, leading the expansion of the group’s major subsidiaries into trading and processing of soft commodities, emerging market finance, freight and metal trading.

RECENT CAREER On leaving Louis Dreyfus in 2005, de Camaret founded Lentikia Capital, an FSA regulated asset management company. The fund it managed – Brocade Macro Fund - reached over USD 1 Billion of AUM. Lentikia merged with the newly created BTG Pactual in 2009. In 2010 together with Gerard William Louis Dreyfus , he founded Sierentz LLC a new commodity trading operation, which he left in 2014. Since then, Squanto Cayman has been involved in various investment and trading ventures in areas such as commodities, hedge funds, private equity, shipping, farming and real estate through various entities: Squanto Participacoes (Brazil), its advisory arm - EPA Sarl (Switzerland), Lentilha Shipping Ltd (Malta), Squanto Management Inc (US).

PHILANTHROPY De Camaret supports philanthropic efforts through direct donations and non-profit project funded by the ABCD Charitable Trust, UK. THE ABCD Charitable Trust – UK - Funds primarily applied in funding education and research projects

Founder of iABCD – Instituto ABCD – Brazil – Charitable organization aimed at researching, creating and disseminating knowledge about learning difficulties, especially dyslexia. Its main programme trained almost 8000 teachers, acting mostly in partnerships with various federal and state universities and education boards (Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais, Para, Rio Grande do Norte)

BDA – British Dyslexia Association – UK - Aimed to influence government and other institutions to promote a dyslexia friendly society, that enables dyslexic people to reach their full potential.

John Hopkins Institute – Baltimore- US - Gifts to medical research and training, for the use of the Departments of Psychiatry and Behavioural Sciences and urology

Y-Mind Institute – Sao Paulo – Brazil – Gift to build legal and admin structure of the Y-Mind Institute – health research and diagnoses centre focused on preventing and treating mental disorder — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdecamaret (talkcontribs) 17:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Editing important sections of articlesEdit

Hello, I am interested in adding to articles that have stubs within them, e.g. the plotline of a video game article being a stub. I've been working on and off to draft something to add to these sections. However, I'm not sure if I need to ask for these to be reviewed, since they'd be more substantial edits. Is it necessary or common practice to get large additions to articles reviewed? Thanks in advance. Bossjeff (talk) 17:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)