Please post all new discussions at the END of the page, to allow for easier chronological tracking! Thank you! WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Norman StevensonEdit

I received the following email from Carlwark. I prefer to discuss Wikipedia matters here rather than by email so I will transcribe and respond to the email here.

Carlwark wrote:

It’s now a week ago that, as you suggested, I posted on Talk:Norman Stevenson a proposal for expansion of the article about him plus request for comments on two sources. But no response from anyone.
Please advise how to proceed. Is there now any reason not to write and post the fresh expansion of the article which I proposed on the Talk page? It would be limited to information from published sources and would carefully keep in mind all your earlier comments.
I look forward to hearing from you.

@Carlwark: based on the discussion you've included at Talk:Norman Stevenson, and in the absence of any dissent from any other user, I have no problem with your moving ahead with the changes you have suggested. In writing this material, please remember to keep your writing neutral. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Dennis Dillon WikipediaEdit

Hi Dan, thank you for the policy update. Would like to update Rev. Dennis Dillon's bio. Can you update on our behalf? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NY Christian Times (talkcontribs) 20:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@NY Christian Times: You may have noticed that I've nominated the page for deletion. I was unable to find any significant reliable sources about Dillon from which to generate an article. The expansion that you offered was not based on any reliable sources. If you'd like to see the article expanded, I recommend the following steps:
  1. Follow the directions in the block message on your user talk page to request a new username.
  2. When a new username is assigned, be sure to disclose your conflict of interest with the subject of Dennis Dillon.
  3. Edit the article's talk page and list the changes you'd like to see to the article, with valid sources to verify the changes you'd like to see.
The article will not be deleted for at least 7 days (and may not be at all, depending on the outcome of the discussion), so you have some time to manage this. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Malek-Ashtar University of TechnologyEdit

Hello, The Malek Ashtar University is a public university is affiliated with the Iran government, not military. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsanfarzadnia (talkcontribs) 19:17, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ehsanfarzadnia: Not according to the reliable sources that you've been deleting. If the sources are in dispute, please address the matter at the article's talk page. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:22, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear WikiDan61, I am graduated at Malek-asghtar university of technology. I am sure that this university is affiliated with the iran government and is public research university. my research profile is if you have any question about my university (MUT), feel free please. Best regards Ehsan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsanfarzadnia (talkcontribs) 19:39, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ehsanfarzadnia: Your personal sureness is not a valid source. Since the existing reliable source identify this university as being under the control of the Iranian military, that is the fact that we can verifiably publish. If you can find a reliable source that says otherwise, please introduce that source at the article's talk page so that the dispute between the sources can be discussed. (Some sources may be more reliable than others.) WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:48, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

My valid source is that I have educated at this university. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsanfarzadnia (talkcontribs) 19:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ehsanfarsadnia: That's not how Wikipedia works. Sorry. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:01, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

The authoritative source is myself because I have educated at this university and families with all of activities of these university. please please do not change this content. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsanfarzadnia (talkcontribs) 20:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ehsanfarsadnia: Mere attendance at a university does not make you an "authoritative source" about that university. If you can't find published information to dispute the published information that claims this as a military university, you have not leg to stand on. Your repeated removal of cited material from the article has already been noted as vandalism: your continued behavior in this manner will likely get you blocked. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:05, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
PS: Please sign your talk page posts. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:05, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

receptor theoryEdit

Thanks for your take. As you imply, the page took a narrow view of receptor theory: its history as applied to pharmacology. However the title of the page is receptor theory, and receptor theory has been much broader and deeper than applications of pharmacological interest. I tried to touch on some of that history. I could start a new page called receptor theory in immunology, but then the current page should more accurately be called receptor theory in pharmacology. This starts us down a slippery slope of unnecessary fragmentation and disambiguation --probably not the best way to disseminate knowledge. I really thought my addition would be welcome and made the page more interesting and informative than it had been -- I'm sorry you disagree. CPDeLisi (talk) 16:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@CPDeLisi: Please make your argument at Talk:Receptor theory so that the rest of the community can weigh in. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 02:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

United States International UniversityEdit


Regarding: Denied Publishing as Alliant International University Page Already Exists.

1) A) USIU merged with B) CSPP to form C) Alliant International University. And B) CSPP still has its own Wiki page. Based on this point wouldn't this logic justify a) USIU to have its own page? EXAMPLE:

2) USIU is now defunct. It was a storied not-for-profit university with a sports, academic and cultured background. USIU produced professional NFL/NHL players, academics, researchers, politicians and actors/singers.

3) The Result of this merger: C) Alliant International University, declared in 2015 that is now a for-profit-corporation with no sports team or makeup of the original university. How can this still be the only page for USIU which was an accredited, internationally recognized not-for-profit University?

4) I feel the now defunct USIU needs to be represented and there is further evidence below of a community trying to do that with this Alumni Wiki Page.Shouldn't that content be on a USIU page, or link to it?

If USIU a non-profit with a +50 year legacy and Alliant International a 5 year old for-profit-corporation with no legacy are the same thing, then can you please show me how to capture all of the history, story highlights, and citations work that I have just compiled on my USIU draft to fit into the Alliant Page?

I believe these two things to clearly be two different entities just like B) CSPP which is why CSPP has its own page.

Thanks (@WikiDan61:)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy2Help619 (talkcontribs) 12:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Happy2Help619: You are free to re-submit the draft to allow another reviewer to evaluate. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:28, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Taxonomy & the pillowsockEdit

I looked for the AN/I report you'd filed, and found it had already been archived. Unfortunate that I missed the chance to pre-empt that; I'm about to log off and have no time to file a new one. Their behaviour remains disruptive, e.g. [1], [2], [3], and [4]. After that last one, I warned them for edit warring. Because their editing style is so persistently disruptive, and their knowledge of wikicode far beyond most new users, I'm beginning to wonder if they might have been banned under another username, either from another project, or from here sufficiently long ago that they've escaped notice in this incarnation. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

regarding my editsEdit

Hello, sorry I haven't responded earlier but i didn't understand how. I reuploaded the edit since, according to the article itself, a newspaper of record is one "with large circulation whose editorial and news-gathering functions are considered authoritative." JN is the daily with the most prints and the most confidence in the general public while Expresso is the newspaper with the most confidence overall, while also being one of the most sought after nation wide. This to me seems to be enough to consider them both as such, unlike 2 less rated and less available newspapers, whose sources are almost a decade old, while mine are Reuters' reports from last year. You will also find that I improved my edit, after seeing that weeklies were up for consideration, and improved the sources as well. Please take this into consideration, as grounds for editing the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorptg (talkcontribs) 21:40, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Restore sourced information. Please discuss. If the information is out of date, please provide sources to show that.Edit

Hi, you reverted changes I made for SRC. I'm not sure what sources you want to cite. I work there. That article is SUPER out of date. While I want to put in more useful content, it seemed good to get the old stuff out of there asap.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeniQ (talkcontribs) 21:28, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@JeniQ: Your own personal knowledge from working there is not considered a reliable source. There are may programs listed on the page that are sourced to reliable sources. If these programs are now defunct, you'll need to cite an equally reliable source to indicate that. Further, if the programs are defunct, they should still be noted, with the wording changed to indicate these programs are no longer active. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
So, if I edit the SRC website to show that a program is ended, then I can link Wikipedia to the website that I just updated? Is that kind of what you're suggesting. Sorry, I don't have Wikipedia edit experience so I don't know all the etiquette. Thanks.
@JeniQ: If you have enough connection to the SRC to be able to edit their website, you likely have a conflict of interest and should not be editing the Wikipedia page at all. However, if you have permission to edit the SRC website, and if the SRC website notes that a particular program that has existed in the past is no longer active, I think we could take the SRC's own website as a reliable source for that fact. I would recommend that you then edit Talk:Semiconductor Research Corporation and make an edit request there, providing the source. The SRC page should still list the programs, but note that they have been discontinued. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Slavic issuesEdit

Hello Wikidan61, I'm not sure this is the right way to do it (I'm a PhD, but I'm new around here). I think you either have some kind of problem with me or with the Slavic people, because you attempted to undo whatever I explored and added as regards Slavic people, for some reason. I hope you are not a racist, but I'm sure it's just a wrong impression I'm getting out of you. You claimed the evidence on Waltz Slovenian ancestry is 'thinnest,' while I provided you with a link to the Austrian Humanities of Vienna, and there are a series of articles on Wikipedia (and the best Austrian encyclopedias), clearly not written by myself, on each and every of Waltz' ancestors up to Alojz Urbancic. You say it is not relevant, but ethnicity and origins are reported on each and every actors' article on Wikipedia. So I really don't understand what your problem is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Max9844419087 (talkcontribs) 16:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Max9844419087: Claiming Slovenian heritage for Christoph Waltz based on the fact that one of his 16 great-great-grandparents came from Slovenia is a thin argument. Unless Waltz himself has commented on his Slovenian heritage, I do not believe it is relevant to the article. But since we disagree on the matter, I have started a discussion at Talk:Christoph Waltz to resolve that issue. Your edits on Josip Belušić consist largely of a speculative discussion about whether Belušić would or would not have considered himself a Croat with lots of evidence about the nature of the Croat people through history, but absolutely no references about Belušić's own thoughts on the matter. Wikipedia generally does not engage in such speculation. You have restored the information at that article, in violation of Wikipedia's WP:BRD policy, so I'm going to revert that again. Please discuss the issue at Talk:Josip Belušić before you restore the material. And finally, no, I am not a racist, and raising that question fails to assume good faith. As a new editor at Wikipedia, you have some things to learn about how to edit here. I suggest you read the welcome message I just left on your user talk page, and follow through the various tutorials to help better understand how things are done here. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 As regards Josip Belusic, my purpose was filling the article, by providing some valuable information and insights over the geopolitical situation in his time. Again, the main purpose was filling the article, if you are telling me that my work was meaningless, then it's fine, I will know better next time (it doesn't really matter to me whether Josip Belusic's article is or is not a stub. By the way, the reason why I spent 4 hours editing it in the first place was because you asked me to do so). As regards your good faith policy, do you really assume that every person who starts off on Wikipedia read all your manual? In any case, I wasn't given the link you provided me before. As regards Chris Waltz: if I do understand you rejection of my article on Belusic (because I do understand the information provided is truthful but not strictly relevant, as its purpose was filling) I do not understand and absolutely oppose your undoing Waltz's Slovenian roots. Like I said: I provided you with a link to the Austrian humanities, you can further verify at you expenses all the links which bring up to Walt'z great-grandfather and his cousin, who was one of the greatest Slovenian authors, by creating an account on some genealogy website or going to the archives in Vienna (which I did, for other reasons of course), but again, all those links are established through other articles on Wikipedia. The fact that he is Slovenian IS important, especially because he is related to one of Slovenia's greatest poets. There are just so many articles (all actors' articles) which claim ethnicity with much, much thinner evidence and degree. So because I believe in Justitia, you would have to undo each and every of those before undoing Waltz's. For the record, I'm an Italian of Scottish and Dutch descent, and I have no Slovenian ties or ancestors whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Max9844419087 (talkcontribs) 17:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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Precious anniversaryEdit

Two years!

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Hi May I know why most of the content is removed. Like why it is called second konaseema, Irrigation stats, and crops grown??

Abhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek.Poondla (talkcontribs) 12:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

@Abhishek.Poondla: The extensive list of specific crops is unnecessary trivia. If there are one or two crops that make up the bulk of the economy, that would be relevant, but with such an extensive, undifferentiated list, it was better to simply state that agriculture is a main economic driver in the mandal. The issue with noting that Indukurupeta is called a "second Konaseema" is that it is an unsourced claim of significance. The part about the area under irrigation, if properly cited, could be restored under the "Climate and soil" section. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


Please see below news article. There is no official evidence on why Indukurupeta is called Second Konaseema or Mini Konaseema. I feel This news article is sufficient. Below is the link.

Below is the content of the article and where it claims Indukurupet mandal as ‘Mini Konaseema'

"He also warned that they would obstruct activities of the processing units if the government fails to take action against them. Managements of these firms have been contaminating Indukurupet mandal which is known as ‘Mini Konaseema’, he added. AP Kaulu Rytu Sangham state general secretary P Jamulaiah said that vegetables which are being grown in these mandal have been contaminated with the impurities. He also warned that they would collect soil from every village for lab testing and block pipelines of the firms on August 24. AP Rytu Sangham district secretary P Sriramulu and leader TVV Prasad were also present" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek.Poondla (talkcontribs) 04:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


And regarding your statement unnecessary trivia on the crops grown here, I would like to comment the below: Every area will have specific identity, say technology, agriculture, entertainment, hospitality etc., and particularly in agriculture different type of crops do not grow in one particular area, only two or three varieties may be grown. (owing to temperature, water availability etc.,). But here many varieties are grown, so the identity of this mandal is many kinds of plants grow in these conditions. that is the identity we have. so that is the reason for my elaborate list. You dont believe even few farmers are growing obram cocoa(used to make chocolates). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek.Poondla (talkcontribs) 09:13, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Abhishek.Poondla: Regarding "Mini Konaseema", I disagree that this is a description that has value in a global encyclopedia, because the meaning of this phrase may not extend beyond India, and evidence of one MP saying it may not be sufficient to verify that it is a widely used description.
Regarding the variety of crops grown in the area, the plain list does not convey the proper information that Indukurupeta is unique for the variety of crops grown. I would recommend instead a sentence along the lines of: Indukurupeta is recognised for the wide variety of crops grown in the area. This statement would require a reliable source (i.e. there would have to be some published statement that has recognised Indukurupeta for this fact, rather than your own personal assessment of the situation). WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I am adding my family biography !Edit

Hi there Dan,

I am adding my family biography to this page at: The information is provided by my elders and is already on the internet. Available here is well

Zulfekaraliagha (talk) 16:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

@Zulfekaraliagha: The material published at the website you've linked appears to be taken from a 1939 book titled Chiefs and Families of Note in the Punjab, Vol I. Since it was published in 1939, it is likely still protected by copyright. And whether or not the material is copyrighted, the inclusion of direct testimony of your ancestors is not considered a reliable source. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:37, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


Yes is a reliable source and a very famous and big website in Pakistan. It's office is in Lahore and it adds information about Lahore. The CEO is a big businessman and is very informative and totally reliable. Don't delete my contributions. I will add more sources too. I think 4 sources are enough for a paragraph but I'll add more too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverick8017 (talkcontribs) 21:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Maverick8017: Despite your faith in, Wikipedia has its own definitions of what constitutes a reliable source, and a website whose business is to sell real estate, and therefore whose purpose is to entice rather than inform, does not count as a reliable source. If you have other sources, great, but if you keep trying to add the site, I'll have to assume that your intent is less to inform and more to drive traffic to that site, which is contrary to Wikipedia's purposes. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Saietta GroupEdit

Dear Dan, I am the CEO of Saietta and I am keen to make the Saietta page correct. Most of what was there belongs to Agni Motors. Would you be so kind to accept the changes? Best regards, Wicher Kist (Vic031974 (talk) 12:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC))

@Vic031974: As the CEO of Saietta, you have a deep conflict of interest and should not edit the article. The text you added could have come directly from the company's own website (I haven't checked; for all I know, it did come directly from the website). Writing at Wikipedia must be properly sourced and neutral. Because of your conflict of interest, if you would like to see changes at the article, I recommend that you request the edits that you would like to see at the article's talk page. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


Zameen doesn't sale real estate. It's informing. Besides I have added more sources too inclduing newspaper and government websites. Why are you deleting my content? I have spent hours in research and writing. Rather than deleting my content do add citation needed if you think 4 websites are not sufficient. But don't delete anyone's hard work Mr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverick8017 (talkcontribs) 12:46, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Don't delete authentic contentEdit

all sources are reliable sources. I think you have some personal problems against city of Lahore. This is spamming. Im complaininy to authorities. Next time you delete my content without my permission, you will be banned from wikipedia.

Also if you have any problem from Lahore, let me know, I'll help you out but if you delete the content, you will be banned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverick8017 (talkcontribs) 07:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Maverick8017: I've discussed your sources at your user talk page. Your refusal to listen to the advice of more experienced editors is becoming a big problem. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 10:25, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


hey wikidan61, i am new to wikipedia editing and i really want to contribute by adding more information about Zahid malik. please tell me how to improve the page instead of undoing my changes.

thank you, Ematchkay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ematchkay (talkcontribs) 12:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ematchkay: I had updated the Zahid Malik article becuase:
  1. empty sections of the article are not helpful;
  2. the long list of past positions held is not the point of the "Occupation" section of the infobox -- that parameter should provide a brief description of the person's occupation (in this case journalist and editor);
  3. the "notable works" parameter should hold the titles of actual notable works, not a note that "he wrote a lot of books";
  4. the grammar of the sentence about the Sitara-i-Imtiaz award was faulty, so I corrected it;
  5. the extraneous use of bold text in articles is discouraged: it should only be used to emphasize the title subject of the article in the article text.
I encourage you to continue to seek ways to improve Wikipedia, but please understand that if an edit you have made has been reverted, you should discuss the proposed edits before restoring them. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:53, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking time to edit this article, i will surely make improvements Ematchkay (talk) 15:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey wikidan, I cant thank you enough for enhancing that article on Zahid malik. It really means alot to me. I will be updating more content on him soon, hoping this time i would properly do it. Ematchkay (talk) 14:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ematchkay: My pleasure! WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

hey wikidan, dont just delete everything like that, the things which i wrote for the article are actually his work, ill put more neutrality in it, things have been published in his newspaper and books about him, i'll give reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ematchkay (talkcontribs) 14:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ematchkay: Since Malik was the founder and editor-in-chief of the Pakistan Observer, it is not likely to be a reliable neutral source about him. Also, the content at the article was essentially unsalvageably non-neutral. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Stop blamingEdit

I have used verifiable and authentic sources. I have realized this place is full of racists that's why don't allow Pakistani editors to contribute and delete their contributions as they don't want people to know about third world countries and their tourism and food.

I think I shouldn't contribute now as people here don't deserve hardworking people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverick8017 (talkcontribs) 13:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

First, your accusations of racism are false; other editors are glad to help edit articles about Pakistan, and your accusations fail to assume good faith. Second, you keep insisting that your sources are verifiable and authentic, but other editors (myself including) keep trying to tell you that:
  1. personally published blogs (jamilsays and mohsinsblog) and real estate sales sites ( are not reliable sources (really, read that linked article to see what we mean by "reliable sources"); and
  2. reliable sources that do not state anything relevant about the specific topic are no more helpful than unreliable sources, so references to articles from Dawn or The News on Sunday that do not mention anything about the topic at hand are pointless.
If you choose to listen to the advice you've been given, you could be a good contributor, but if you continue to ignore other editors' advice, than yes, it might be best if you choose not to contribute further. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


That site copied from [5] which holds the copyright - and it says "Some Rights Reserved (2009-2020) under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike license unless otherwise noted." Another of the many things I still don't know, if we wished to use that, how would we go about it? Doug Weller talk 13:51, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liyann SeetEdit

Hi WikiDan,

Article has been deleted. Would you be able to help out with the deletion review? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatianajames (talkcontribs) 16:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Tatianajames: It's not clear what help you're seeking, but the guidelines at WP:Deletion review would indicate that this is a poor candidate for that process. The AFD discussion participants were unanimous in their assessment that Seet does not merit inclusion in Wikipedia. If you disagree, I would recommend starting a new draft article (at Draft:Liyann Seet and submit your new draft through the Articles for Creation process. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:00, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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Extinct cultures at RFDEdit

Hello. I listed the page you contributed, Extinct cultures, for discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 22#Extinct cultures, which I invite you for input. --George Ho (talk) 03:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)


Hi WikiDan61. I started an ANI thread - it's not about you, but you were involved in it, so I thought I should let you know. It's about the El Ligero article. (talk) 13:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Updating information on Wiki page for Together for Mental WellbeingEdit

Hi WikiDan61,

Thanks for letting me know the changes I submitted have been rejected, to be honest it's becoming a bit frustrating.

I work for Together for Mental Wellbeing and I'm just trying to update the information on the page as its badly out of date. I understand your desire to limit commercial posts or 'soapbox' content as you describe it but I'm just trying to correct information that is on there from a previous entry which has details of our previous CEO and reference to our previous values which have now been updated.

Within the updates I was just trying to update that information and also add some further detail about our approach to mental health support although it would seem those are considered too commercial. If you could give me a bit more of an indication what is acceptable that would be appreciated as at the moment I think if we can't amend that we'd rather the page was just deleted as it's misleading.

Thanks, MartinF1290374 MartinF1290374 (talk) 15:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@MartinF1290374: Since you are affiliated with Together for Mental Wellbeing, you have a conflict of interest regarding this topic. Please read the linked article to understand how this limits the ways in which you should edit here at Wikipedia. Most importantly:
  1. you must disclose your conflict of interest (see {{UerboxCOI}} for one good way to do this);
  2. if you are being paid by Together for Mental Wellbeing to correct their Wikipedia page, you must disclose this also;
  3. you should refrain from eding the Together for Mental Wellbeing page directly, but instead make edit requests at the article's talk page.
When making edit requests, you should indicate specifically which information is wrong or outdated, and indicate how you would like to see the information udpated. You should provide a reliable source to verify the change you would like to see. You should be aware that copying material directly from the organization's website, or from other published sources, is a copyright violation; such material will be removed. Information about Together's "approach to mental health support" can be included if it has been discussed in reliable third-party sources, but it cannot reflect Together's own marketing materials about its services. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

All of my edits have been undoneEdit

Hi Dan,

After I moved 18 Red Lion Court to Red Lion Chambers, I see that all of the edits have now been undone. I can see that as you have said, some of it reads as promotional and does not comply. Not all of this is promotional. Can you go back to my edits to at least before today. They were not promotional, they fixed the dead links already in existence and updated the summary of the page at least.

Crystal — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedLionChambers2 (talkcontribs) 17:32, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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Got your message - desperately need helpEdit

Hi Dan - I got your message about the new Morris Animal Foundation page. I work in the science department and was asked to update. I understand the conflict of interest thing but I'm unsure how to proceed. I understood about the neutral tone and feel that was maintained and the article was well referenced. However, I hate to lose 5 hours worth of work!! Can you help?KdiehlMAF (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@KdiehlMAF: Some points:
  1. Don't panic. All of your edits are retained in the page history so if we (you, I and the rest of the Wikipedia community) decide if there's anything salvageable there, we can retrieve it.
  2. What you consider neutral may well be colored by your association with the group. Specifically, I'll point out a few problematic phrases to give you an idea:
    • Morris Animal Foundation is a global leader in finding solutions to health problems affecting animals. Even if true, and verifiable, this kind of language is inherently promotional.
    • The Foundation applies the highest scientific standards to the research they support... Again, this language is promotional.
    • The growth from that life-changing idea to a flourishing animal health funding organization can be attributed, not only from the hard work of the Morris family, but also to the many dedicated volunteers who donated their personal time to build the recognition and reputation of the Foundation. This is not the language of an encyclopedia, but rather of a sales brochure.
  3. Large portions of your text are copied verbatim from the organization's website, which violates the organization's copyrights. (Read WP:COPYVIO, and understand that content at Wikipedia is freely available to any to use as they please; this is not a license most organizations are willing to grant to their promotional material.)
  4. Since you have an obvious conflict of interest, you should not be editing the page (even if your employer has asked you too). Instead, you should make edit requests on the article's talk page, noting any specific factual errors that you have found and providing the corrected text you would like to see. When doing this, you'll need to provided a reliable source that verifies the change in information you are seeking. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 22:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Dan!Edit

Not sure how to ping from my page but thanks a bunch for your critique. I'm thinking it will be great to salvage what we can and maybe have someone else finish. Just wanted to update a terribly old and outdated page.KdiehlMAF (talk) 22:44, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

your help with article Philip LanceEdit

Hello WikiDan61,

Thank you for your attention and recent edits to this article Philip Lance which I have been trying to clean up. The article has a template asking for additional citations for verification. I have added citations but I am uncertain about whether they are sufficient to merit removing the template. Would you please let me know if you or somebody else could guide me? I am still learning how to edit in wiki, so any suggestions you might have are welcome.

Thank you! Raulsantosgarcia (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Raulsantosgarcia: Since you asked, I reviewed the article's citations, and found them quite inadequate. I have marked citations that "fail verification" (i.e. the citations do not actually verify the facts in the article that are being cited) and I have marked several facts that require verification. Significantly, I find no source to verify the article's main claim is notability: that Lance is the "first openly-gay man ordained by the Episcopalian Church." That is a significant claim: it requires a solid source. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:37, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to review the article's citations and for marking the ones that fail verification. Sincerely appreciated. Raulsantosgarcia (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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December 2020 Guild of Copy Editors NewsletterEdit

Guild of Copy Editors December 2020 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the December GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since September 2020.

                 Current and upcoming events

Election time: our end-of-year Election of Coordinators opened for nominations on 1 December and will close on 15 December at 23:59 (UTC). Voting opens at 00:01 the following day and will continue until 31 December at 23:59, just before Auld Lang Syne. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here.

December Blitz: This will run from 13 to 19 December, and will target all Requests. Sign up now.

Drive and Blitz reports

September Drive: 67 fewer articles had copy-edit templates by this month's close. Of the 27 editors who signed up, 15 copy-edited at least one article, and 124 articles were claimed for the drive.

October Blitz: this ran from 18 to 24 October, and focused on articles tagged for copy-edit in July and August 2020, and all Requests. Of the 13 who signed up, 11 editors copy-edited at least one article. 21 articles were claimed for the blitz.

November Drive: Of the 18 editors who signed up, 15 copy-edited at least one article, and together claimed 134 articles. At the close of the drive, 67 fewer articles were in the backlog and we had dealt with 39 requests.

Other news

Progress report: As of 09:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors had processed 663 requests (18 from 2019) since 1 January and there were 52 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 494 (see monthly progress graph above).

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New Page Patrol December NewsletterEdit

Hello WikiDan61,


Year in review

It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.

Rank Username Num reviews Log
1 DannyS712 bot III (talk) 67,552 Patrol Page Curation
2 Rosguill (talk) 63,821 Patrol Page Curation
3 John B123 (talk) 21,697 Patrol Page Curation
4 Onel5969 (talk) 19,879 Patrol Page Curation
5 JTtheOG (talk) 12,901 Patrol Page Curation
6 Mcampany (talk) 9,103 Patrol Page Curation
7 DragonflySixtyseven (talk) 6,401 Patrol Page Curation
8 Mccapra (talk) 4,918 Patrol Page Curation
9 Hughesdarren (talk) 4,520 Patrol Page Curation
10 Utopes (talk) 3,958 Patrol Page Curation
Reviewer of the Year

John B123 has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.

NPP Technical Achievement Award

As a special recognition and thank you DannyS712 has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 2262 Low – 2232 High – 10271

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shuster1 questionsEdit

Dear WikiDan61,

I am not Dr. Shusterman and therefore should be allowed to make edits. Just an educated party interested in his work, wth reliable sources to draw from. Please advise on how to make my edits stick; I am new to wiki and unsure of your procedures. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shuster1 (talkcontribs) 19:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)