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October 9Edit

Rian JohnsonEdit

"the film, Star Wars: The Last Jedi, was released on December 15, 2017 to positive reviews from critics and from audiences." This is not true. The review from the audience was pretty bad. 1.54.204.158 (talk) 04:11, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Not according to the reference that the above sentence is cited to in the Rian Johnson article, nor to the multiple citations supporting similar though more extended wording in the Star Wars: The Last Jedi#Audience reception article and section itself. If you can cite published Reliable sources that give differing data, you are free to add those to both articles in order to present a more balanced neutral point of view. Do not, however, remove any references already there unless you can show that they do not come from Reliable sources. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.161.82 (talk) 06:00, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Trope of having the end of the story as the prologueEdit

There is a trope in movies and TV series (don't bother checking TVTropes, I already looked and it's not there) in which the opening scene or prologue is chronologically at the end of the story. For example, the assassination of Gandhi is the opening scene of Gandhi (film). In Chernobyl (miniseries), the opening scene is the suicide of the main character, two years after the disaster. What are some other examples of this trope, and what was the first film or TV series to use it? --Viennese Waltz 08:57, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Don't know if this qualifies, but 1942's Yankee Doodle Dandy starts with Cohan going to the White House to see FDR, and most of the rest of the film is a flashback. 1941's Citizen Kane was also a lot like that. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
In literature this is known as a Circular Narrative, for which someone has created an IMDB list ( Lost Highway (film), Triangle_(British-Australian_film), Dead of Night (1945 film) and Twelve Monkeys). The TV series Lost also began and ended on a zoom in and out of the main characters eye as he laid on a beach. Blakk and ekka 11:09, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
It can also be a type of frame story.  Amadeus is an example of both.  It begins with the ending and is recounted by Salieri (if I remember correctly). 2606:A000:1126:28D:21C6:C1C3:BD49:7F4B (talk) 20:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
This is in TVTropes at Whole Episode Flashback. I'm astonished that only a handful of recent entries are listed in the movies section, because I've seen at least one with Humphrey Bogart that was structured that way; unfortunately I can't remember the title. The TV section is better, including examples in The Dick Van Dyke Show and Bewitched as well as many newer ones. --76.69.116.4 (talk) 04:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
You could show the last scene first, without the entire episode being a flashback. That is, nobody says "Remember when..." followed by harp music and wavy lines and scenes from the past. So, after they show the final scene, the rest is shown as if it was happening then. Thus, the final scene is "a future event". SinisterLefty (talk) 05:01, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Very well said. This is not about flashbacks. In the example I gave of the Gandhi film, it's not like the whole film is a flashback. --Viennese Waltz 06:45, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I disagree with the claim that such examples are "not flashbacks". --76.69.116.4 (talk) 07:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Agree with your disagreement. If the action of a story shows time X and then shows events from before time X, that IS a flashback. It may not be called out by dialogue, but it is still a flashback.--Khajidha (talk) 01:37, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
On the contrary, I'd say that the whole of Gandhi is a flashback as it's framed in the form of the classic trope of a character's life flashing before them at the point of death (like the aforementioned Citizen Kane). It's also one coherent linear narrative from that point (flashbacks and Nonlinear narratives are different things). Another example is Saving Private Ryan which, come to think of it, is probably the best example of what you're looking for.Blakk and ekka 15:51, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Dead Reckoning may be the Bogart film you're thinking of. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:43, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
That's it, thanks. --76.69.116.4 (talk) 23:48, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Passage to Marseille is a more convoluted example, with flashbacks piled on top of flashbacks. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:31, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
The Bewitchin' Pool episode of the Twilight Zone runs the end scene first and last because the episode turned out too short (among many other issues encountered during filming) Rmhermen (talk) 01:39, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
The Man Who Would Be King (film) from 1975 seems to fit this description. HiLo48 (talk) 21:15, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Traditionally, this is a type of In media res Latin for roughly "in the midst of the story". One interesting type of analysis of stories like this comes from Russian literary criticism known as Fabula and syuzhet. The fabula is the actual order of events as they happen to the narrator, and the syuzhet is the order of events as they occur to the reader. There's lots of ways to construct a story by aligning different parts of the fabula to the syuzhet. TvTropes has an entire page on Anachronic order which may provide a useful starting point. Two others that are told with the last events as the first scene I can think of are Fight Club and Memento. --Jayron32 14:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

October 11Edit

Peter HandkeEdit

For which work did Peter Handke win the Nobel prize in Literature. Google seems unable to provide the answer, simply overshadowing his win with past political stances. Thanks Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 08:12, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

From Nobel Prize in Literature: "Though individual works are sometimes cited as being particularly noteworthy, the award is based on an author's body of work as a whole." --Wrongfilter (talk) 08:14, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
In Handke's case, what may have confused readers is the official text "for an influential work that with linguistic ingenuity has explored the periphery and the specificity of human experience." ([1]). Other times they wrote "for his/her work" or "for works" (plural), which makes it clearer that more than one individual work is meant. ---Sluzzelin talk 08:18, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Ahh! Thanks guys. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 09:38, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

October 13Edit

"Panda" songEdit

Thinking of a recent song, probably this year's. I don't remember if the vocals are male or female, but the hook has a female voice in the background repeating something like "panda" or "pandeh". I think I probably heard it wrong but can't think of any other word that sounds like that. Google is of no help. 95.168.121.57 (talk) 01:26, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

That's not much to go on. Do you not recall any other words, or the genre of music? Have you ruled out Panda Panda Panda?--Shantavira|feed me
That doesn't sound like it, also not Desiigner - Panda. It was a pop or RnB song. I don't usually listen to that type of music but it was very catchy. Considering I heard it on both radio and VH1 more than a few times last month I'm assuming it's a recent hit. 95.168.116.19 (talk) 13:56, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
You do sometimes get a cover of a song under a different genre. SinisterLefty (talk) 14:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Has an MLB pitcher ever been penalized for the rubber foot taking a step while pitching?Edit

Or for pitching too close to the plate? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:49, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
It would be an illegal pitch, called a ball with no one on base, or a balk with a runner on. Some pitchers have had their delivery declared illegal by MLB because they were taking an extra step (e.g. Sean Doolittle, Carl Edwards Jr.) and had to modify it as a result. --Xuxl (talk) 21:12, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
What do you mean by "an extra step"? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:52, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
If you're talking about this, that's definitely not allowed. And here's a discussion of Doolittle.[2] I'm not sure if the OP is talking about those things, or something else. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:55, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
It maybe is not one of the kinds of a Balk, which covers illegal pitching motions that deceive a baserunner. Baserunners cannot be deceived into thinking a pitch is coming, and a "balk" is any motion that does that, but does not deliver said pitch (or, contrariwise, where a pitch is delivered but the runner is deceived into thinking it wasn't). Not every illegal pitch or pitching motion counts as a balk. Legal pitches are covered by Rule 8 of the MLB Rules. Illegal pitches are automatically scored as balls, even if they don't qualify for a balk. --Jayron32 12:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

October 16Edit