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If you want to report an issue or bug with a specific bot, follow the steps outlined in WP:BOTISSUE first. This not the place for requests for bot approvals or requesting that tasks be done by a bot. General questions about the MediaWiki software (such as the use of templates, etc.) should be asked at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical).


User:Legobot RequestEdit

I have tried to contact User:Legoktm regarding a request for User:Legobot found here on July 24. Talk page message to them on July 30 which was archived without a response here. Another ping today and note on their talk page here. Although I understand and appreciate that their is no compulsory requirement to edit, per WP:BOTCOMM I expect bot questions to be addressed promptly. This is especially true for a bot like Legobot that manages so many important processes. So, my question to this group is how to best manage this issue? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks for posting @Gonzo fan2007: if I understand the need correctly: the GAN process would like to make a change, and wants to ensure it is coordinated with Legobot Task 33, yes? — xaosflux Talk 20:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Yep Xaosflux. In the past there has been a desire to split up topics in sub-topics (among other feature requests). If you look at WP:GAN real quick, you will see for example that the Social sciences and society topic has many sub-topics, whereas Sports and Recreation has none. However, Legobot manages this whole process, thus no changes can be made until Legobot is updated. The process for how WP:GAN works can be found at WP:GAN/I, specifically how to categorize the article when adding {{GAN}}. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:16, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Thank you @Gonzo fan2007:. Talk notice and email notice sent to the operator. — xaosflux Talk 21:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
        • Thanks Xaosflux. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
          • Hasn't edited in 3 weeks and no (obviously) replies to this issue, is there a way someone else can make the desired changes to the script, outside of disabling the bot ? - FlightTime (open channel) 22:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
            • The bot can be turned off for just certain pages with {{bots|deny=Legobot}} - so if could be disabled on just certain GA pages. — xaosflux Talk 23:01, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
              • The technical item that I am requesting is a subtle change to how the bot responds to the user input when adding {{GAN}} to a talk page to nominate an article for GA status. As part of adding that template to the talk page, a user has to add the |subtopic= from the list of subtopics found on the documentation sub-page of {{GAN}}. Based on this human input, the bot lists the page at WP:GAN under the correct sub-topic. This helps reviewers focus their efforts on smaller categories of articles. However, the topic of Sports and Recreation (which spans a lot of articles from city parks to the Premier League) has gotten so large (75 articles right now) that it is difficult to focus on any smaller topics. So, what would need to be done for this request is a set of human edits to {{GAN}} (new sub-topic options) and WP:GAN (new sub-topic section headers and categorization of the existing nominations), which I am happy to do. However, I imagine Legobot probably will need to add these new sub-topics to its code to be able to properly respond to these new sub-topics. There are probably other human edits that will be needed as well ({{GA}} will also need to be edited to add the new sub-topics; new categories will need to be created, etc). I don't have the technical expertise to grasp how difficult these changes would be to the bot, but am willing and happy to make the human edits. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I stopped responding a while back to all the GAN requests unfortunately. I'm basically keeping it alive in maintenance mode and accepting patches. I'm open to having someone else take it over entirely, but last time there was some issue in transferring the database, I don't really remember. Legoktm (talk) 21:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@Legoktm: While you're alive, could you take a look at Wikipedia_talk:Dashboard#Bots_noticeboard_not_working? and Wikipedia_talk:Dashboard#Bot_section?. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the response Legoktm. Xaosflux, what's the best way to proceed? The WP:GAN process is pretty significant; ideally the bot that runs that page would have an owner that can make changes/updates/etc. Is there somewhere that we can post for any interested bot owners to take over this task? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Gonzo fan2007: WP:BOTREQ is where you could ask for someone to take it over. As far as what to do until then - we could stop the bot on pages that you want to change that it will not be compatible with (see the nobots directive note above). Once a new bot takes over the process, this task could certainly be shut down and the operator seems to be fine with that approach. — xaosflux Talk 15:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Posted at Wikipedia:Bot requests#Operator to take over Legobot Task 33. There's no point in stopping the bot and making changes unless the bot code has been updated first. The bot would merely supersede any changes at its next edit. Thanks for the assistance Xaosflux. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:BRFA helpEdit

New to BRFA? Read these primers! [Hide this box]

I just created this box you see on the right, similar to {{AFD help}}. It will automatically show on individual BRFA pages, but you can suppress it in your skin if you want (see the 'Hide this box' instructions in the corner of the box). The goal is mostly to make the BRFA pages more accessible to non-technical folks that might be asked to give opinions on certain bot tasks.

Tweaks/improvements welcome. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't necessarily disagree with this template being created, but I strongly disagree with it being included in {{newbot}} (seen in this previous version); for the vast (vast) majority of BRFAs it will be completely unnecessary (I think we've had one new bot in the last two months?). Primefac (talk) 18:47, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
The point is that everyone is welcomed to comment, including newbies, and we ought to make things as friendly as possible for everyone. Including the help box in BRFAs is of no detriment to anyone. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) In principle it's not a bad quick link reference, but I feel it's pointless for the BRFA audience in the depths of technical WP pages. That said, I wouldn't mind if it was added. It doesn't make anything worse even if the benefit is marginal in case someone that new comes around to comment. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 20:34, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
I like it. It also helps the old-timers who left and came back years later, to remember the details of how things work.  ‑Scottywong| chat _ 03:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

About Legobot and "Bots noticeboard not working" - it is a crontab issueEdit

This noticeboard shows up has having no threads when seen at Wikipedia:Dashboard. Wikipedia:Dashboard/Administrative noticeboards is updated by Legobot. The code for doing this is not within Legobot itself. Instead Legobot is run hourly from a crontab and the list of noticeboards to read from is listed in that file. The crontab still says to read from Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard which became a redirect when this noticeboard was moved to "Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard". Since nothing is changing at the redirect, the noticeboard appears to have nothing on it. We ran into the same problem when the Teahouse was moved, but the crontab was fixed then. I ran into the crontab (or a copy of it) by chance last summer when exploring how Wikidata was first populated by bots and how it is updated now. The editor involved was on vacation and I have now forgotten where I saw it and who the editor was. Can anyone here point me to someone to contact about this? StarryGrandma (talk) 16:27, 26 August 2019 (UTC)