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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed. To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

How to use this pageEdit

What not to propose for discussion hereEdit

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a "general" or "template" criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}. If it is an unused, hardcoded instance or duplication of another template, tag it with {{Db-t3|~~~~~|name of other template}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.

Reasons to delete a templateEdit

  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a templateEdit

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:
  • For deletion: {{subst:tfd}}
  • For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: {{subst:tfd|type=sidebar}}
  • For deletion of an inline template: {{subst:tfd|type=inline}}
  • For deletion of a module: {{subst:tfd|type=module|page=name of module}} at the top of the module's /doc subpage.
  • For merging: {{subst:tfm|name of other template}}
  • For merging an inline template: {{subst:tfm|type=inline|name of other template}}
  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the Tfd notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the Tfd tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the Tfd notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code). Note that TTObot is available to tag templates en masse if you do not wish to do it manually.

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the Tfd nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the Tfd, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019_August_18#Template:template_name.css */

Protected pages: If you are incapable of tagging a page due to protection, please either leave a note on the page's talk page under a {{edit protected}} header, or leave a note at the Administrators' noticeboard, requesting tagging of the page.

II: List the template at Tfd. Follow this link to edit today's Tfd log.

Add this text at the top, just below the -->:

  • For deletion: {{subst:tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous Tfds, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous Tfd without brackets|result of previous Tfd}} directly after the Tfd2/Catfd2 template.

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code after the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for Tfd to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the Tfd tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editorsEdit

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that an template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets, such as "T3" for hardcoded instances.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfdnotice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is supported, helpful administrators and editors will log the result and ensure that the change is implemented to all affected pages.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

TwinkleEdit

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the functions of notification automatically. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

DiscussionEdit

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Contents

Current discussionsEdit

August 18Edit

Template:Infobox religious biography/MuftiEdit

The template was recently created as a unneeded fork of Template:Infobox religious biography. The single usage should use the parent template instead. Any new field should be brought up at the talk page to see if there is consensus to add it. Gonnym (talk) 04:53, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

August 17Edit

Template:New messageEdit

Propose merging Template:New message with Template:New discussion.
Two templates with the same purpose. I suggest redirecting {{New message}} to {{New discussion}} --Trialpears (talk) 22:20, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Replace {{New message}} with {{New discussion}}. "Message" to me means sending a private message similar to other messaging services, which is obviously not what happens here. --Gonnym (talk) 06:08, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – The templates don't have the same purpose: "new message" is specifically for user talk pages, where other users might indeed send messages to a particular user, whereas "new discussion" is a more generic link that might work with any page that has discussions on it. I don't see a compelling need to merge or replace here. Mz7 (talk) 10:41, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:41, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:The Who rock operasEdit

This navigational sidebar has no parent topic, is not used in the band's article and navigates between four articles that are already contained in the better Template:The Who making this navigational template redundant and unnecessary. Aspects (talk) 20:01, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Business in AustraliaEdit

This template is based on arbitrary criteria, not usual to how we create navboxes. In WP book, if company has an article then it should be in the related template, if any. Otherwise, specify criteria by using reliable source. To me, useless as navbox. Störm (talk) 20:22, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, Störm, can you offer a bit more explanation? I couldn't understand what you meant by "if company has an article then it should be in the related template, if any. Otherwise, specify criteria by using reliable source." I literally don't know what those sentences mean. I do see that the navbox does not tick many of the criteria at WP:NAVBOX. But I also see that the capacity to have an overview of potentially related topics of interest could be lost if the template is simply deleted. other views? hamiltonstone (talk) 05:08, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
  • delete, too broad in scope, which is probably why we don't have a parent article either. Frietjes (talk) 16:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:03, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete. Just an indiscriminate collection of links. Ajf773 (talk) 02:28, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Kerja di AustraliaEdit

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was speedy delete per nominator — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:35, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Mistakenly moved to template mainspace, perhaps as part of attempt to evade CSD. David Biddulph (talk) 17:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

T&P s-line templatesEdit

Unused {{s-line}} templates for the Texas and Pacific Railway. Never (near as I can tell/remember) implemented. Any new implementation would need to be with {{Adjacent stations}}. There are two dependent s-line data modules which should also be deleted. Mackensen (talk) 17:13, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Campus Living Villages in AustraliaEdit

Only one article link, not useful for navigation Aloneinthewild (talk) 15:57, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:GojoseonEdit

Only four links, one of which is a redirect to another. Template provides little context and the three articles are all interlinked anyway. Seems unnecessary. PC78 (talk) 15:36, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:2014 Japan Football League tableEdit

unused after being merged with the parent article (with attribution) per consensus at WT:FOOTY Frietjes (talk) 13:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Pp-metaEdit

The template has been deprecated for over 4 years and has 5 (unnecessary) userspace transclusions. No need to keep this template around when Module:Protection banner should be used instead. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (American TV series)Edit

Navigates too little content. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 08:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete - season 1 does not have an article, so it navigates between the series and season 2. The two winners should not even be included in the navbox. TV series template do not include links to specific cast members, but for some reason reality series editors feel the need to add these links. --Gonnym (talk) 09:59, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

August 16Edit

Template:Scientists of BangladeshEdit

We don't make such navboxes. Totally cherry-picking. Fails navbox purpose. Störm (talk) 17:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:FourKingsCantopopEdit

The topic is an era of Cantopop consistently of the four most popular/successful singers of the time. The non-notable parent topic was redirected back to Cantopop. With no notable parent article and only connecting four singers this is an unnecessary navigational template. Aspects (talk) 23:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Challengers League 2012 labelled mapEdit

Unused after being merged with the parent article (with attribution). Frietjes (talk) 20:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Georgia (country) football standings templatesEdit

unused after being merged with the parent article (with attribution) per consensus at WT:FOOTY Frietjes (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:NYCS SIR headerEdit

Unused. Jc86035 (talk) 08:36, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Citizens Advice ScotlandEdit

Has exactly 1 link, for the one page it is transcluded on (Citizens Advice Scotland) -> shouldn't be a template DannyS712 (talk) 06:16, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:World Youth DayEdit

Propose merging Template:World Youth Day with Template:Catholic youth work.
Pretty much redundant duplicate information, might as well be merged? PPEMES (talk) 16:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

The World Youth Day template is much more specific than the Catholic youth work template. Thus, I do not really see the redundancy and how they can be merged in a meaningful way. In similar cases for templates related to sports you would merge them neither. --QuasiPerlach (talk) 08:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
  • do not merge, not seeing the redundancy here. Frietjes (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Uw-inbioblockEdit

Unnecessary and redundant. 2600:1702:38D0:E70:88CB:975A:9F89:BB99 (talk) 20:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

August 15Edit

Template:WikiProject Oregon collapsing section top (open)Edit

Unused template. Now redundant to {{WikiProject Oregon collapsing section top}} after I added an open option. --Trialpears (talk) 21:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

No strong opinion (as creator, 12+ years ago), I haven't looked into the details but I take you at your word that you've addressed any practical needs that might be impacted. Thanks for the housecleaning. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 00:43, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Box-header-blankEdit

Alternative box header template redundant to {{Box-header}}. Only one transclusion in the Portal:India specific version of this template, Portal:Current events/India/box-header-blank. There are other weird box headers that probably should be deleted/merged/modified as well, but none of them as bad as this one. --Trialpears (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Javascript in categoriesEdit

Very niche template used only twice 8 years ago. I believe this problem doesn't exsist now anyway since {{main other}} should prevent cleanup categories from being applied on js pages. --Trialpears (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

This would probably be substed by most editors. And while the meta-templates I built for cleanup are namespace sensitive, this is for the case where a piece of javascript contains explicit code including a category such as

value= text.replace(/[[Category:Foo]]/,'')

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC).
It was indeed substituted by you in both cases I found using this search. --Trialpears (talk) 21:18, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Peer review/headerEdit

Propose merging Template:Peer review/header with Template:Peer review/heading.
Two highly used templates that are baically identical. The only difference is that Peer review header include a link to User:AndyZ/peerreviewer of the 5 random current peer reviews I looked at none of them used the header template, so I suggest redirecting to {{Peer review/heading}}.

(If someone could tag the pages that would be helpful.) --Trialpears (talk) 20:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Denver RTD s-line templatesEdit

s-line data modules

{{s-line}} templates for Denver's Regional Transportation District. Superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/RTD. All transclusions replaced. There are 24 dependent s-line data modules which should also be deleted. Mackensen (talk) 13:18, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Hunan Television DramasEdit

WP:NOTVGUIDE The Banner talk 08:53, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Those MockingbirdsEdit

Contains links to only 3 articles, all of which navigate to and from each other without the need of this navbox. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 05:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:2019 Netherlands Women's Quadrangular SeriesEdit

The table is now in the article. HawkAussie (talk) 02:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Withdraw Didn't realise this was already on another article so I can have this be a withdraw. HawkAussie (talk) 03:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep As mentioned, this is used both on the series article itself and International cricket in 2019 as the series is considered of enough significance to be listed in the season review. Bs1jac (talk) 15:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:NorthlineEdit

Unused fork of {{METRORail Red Line}}. They may have varied when the northern extension of the Red Line was under construction but there's complete overlap now. Mackensen (talk) 01:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

August 14Edit

Template:Barnes bus map LondonEdit

WP:NOTTRAVEL. This information is more readily available on the TFL website which I have sourced on the only article this template transcludes to. Ajf773 (talk) 23:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Mithun Chakraborty sidebarEdit

The actor's navigational template consists of four links: the actor's article, a redirect to a section of the actor's article, the actor's filmography article and a film studio. There are only three articles that are already linked together, actor navigational templates go against WP:FILMNAV and WP:NENAN. Aspects (talk) 22:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Osaka Umeda connectionsEdit

no longer used after being merged with the parent article Frietjes (talk) 13:47, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Various small and/or highly overlapping radio navboxesEdit

I don’t really get why Template:Nantucket Radio even got invented in the first place. There are only 4 stations in the navbox, and (in my opinion) that isn’t enough to warrant its own template. Similarly, the Hilton Head, Pueblo, Santa Fe and Pensacola templates should be merged with the Savannah, Colorado Springs, Albuquerque and Mobile templates respectively. It seems a bit redundant to have separate templates that overlap so much. Aside from translators, LPFMs and a small number of full-power stations, most of the stations on both sets of templates appear on both templates. Removing Pensacola and Pueblo stations from the Springs and Mobile templates (and likewise) would actually be worse, since most of the full power FMs in both sets of templates share the same transmitter. TomG2002 (talk) 11:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Keep all Nantucket is NOT part of the Cape Cod market, which is why it got its own section! The other areas @TomG2002: mentioned are markets unto themselves, like the New Bedford/Fall River market, which is embedded in Providence, but is also its own. I would like to add that above user has not discussed this at WP:WPRS, which is highly recommended.Stereorock (talk) 13:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Keep for the reasons @Stereorock: has given, but this also raises some bigger questions that should be discussed in WP:WPRS, such as: How closely are the Arbitron/Nielsen market maps being used to create these regional templates? Is it a strict or loose interpretation? Should we be strict in some cases, and loose in others? Do these templates fall under Nielsen copyright, and are they at risk of being taken down due to this copyright? --DrChuck68 (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't know how people are creating these navboxes now, but they used to be based exactly on the Arbitron markets, and Wikipedia was issued a takedown notice and they had to be recreated from scratch using other sources. I've been around here long enough that I've lost track of time, but it feels like it must be a decade ago now. @Bearcat: might remember, as he's been here longer than I have. Mlaffs (talk) 16:36, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@Mlaffs: Basically, you are dead on. As some minor areas have gotten bigger, let's say Nantucket, with LPFMs and the like, a new template could be made for just that area. It makes sense and works. - NeutralhomerTalk • 16:51 on August 16, 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep All: Per StereoRock and the 68th good Doctor Chuck. - NeutralhomerTalk • 16:51 on August 16, 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep Nantucket, Pueblo, Pensacola, and Santa Fe. These cities are far enough away and have enough stations stations distinct from the cities/areas that it is proposed they be merged with that having a separate navbox is warranted. This is not the case for Hilton Head Island, though. Hilton Head Island, South Carolina is too close to Savannah, Georgia for a separate navbox to be warranted, and most of its stations do overlap.--Tdl1060 (talk) 05:15, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

August 13Edit

Template:William DuVallEdit

This musician's navigational template consists of no notable individual releases, but notable releases from two bands he was a member of, Alice in Chains and Comes with the Fall. All of the bands' releases are already covered by Template:Alice in Chains or Template:Comes with the Fall, making this template redundant and unnecessary. Aspects (talk) 23:27, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete - Delete per nom. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Nick LittlemoreEdit

This musician's navigational template consists of no notable individual releases, but notable releases from two bands he was a member of, Pnau and Empire of the Sun (band). All of the bands' releases are already covered by Template:Pnau or Template:Empire of the Sun, making this template redundant and unnecessary. Aspects (talk) 23:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete The nav 'plate serves little useful additional access: Other than Pnau and Empire of the Sun he was also in another notable band, Teenager, but they have no album articles: that group can be accessed via biography section main articles 'plate. Of non-redundant related articles, Pip Brown, can be accessed in the same section under her pseudonym Ladyhawke.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:AntipopesEdit

Propose merging Template:Antipopes with Template:Western Schism.
Illustration and text sections seem to fit together? PPEMES (talk) 23:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:North Line (METRORail)Edit

Unused and unusable; may have been a faulty attempt at a template redirect. Mackensen (talk) 22:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete Unused and un-useful. BLAIXX 11:24, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Indigenous peoples by continentEdit

Propose merging Template:Indigenous peoples by continent with Template:Ethnicity.
As a subsection called "Indigenous peoples by continent" under or within the subsection called "Groups by region". PPEMES (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Could you please explain why that would be beneficial? It seems like a rather large and full template already. - Themightyquill (talk) 07:55, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Why keep it separate? Too large I wouldn't say. Doesn't it fit into the scope for convenience? PPEMES (talk) 08:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Search wikipediaEdit

Redundant to {{search box}}. 8 transclusions. --Trialpears (talk) 17:14, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Support. PPEMES (talk) 17:16, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Germanic mythologyEdit

Propose merging Template:Germanic mythology with Template:Germanic paganism.
Separate template (created 26 June 2019) could as well merge with Template:Germanic paganism to keep "paganism" and "mythology" collected, as seen in Template:Anglo-Saxon paganism and Template:Norse paganism topics? PPEMES (talk) 17:14, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Mythology (stories and motifs) is a separate topic from paganism (religious practices). Germanic mythology has for exemple been used in Christian contexts, such as the Sigurd portals in medieval churches. Ffranc (talk) 17:51, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Ship burial customs in Germanic paganismEdit

Propose merging Template:Ship burial customs in Germanic paganism with Template:Death in Germanic mythology.
Interrelated topic, could possibly be collected in one and the same template? PPEMES (talk) 17:06, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Teahouse questions archivelineEdit

Unused archival templates unlikley to be used since the teahouse now uses the standard ones. --Trialpears (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Military career of MuhammadEdit

Propose merging Template:Military career of Muhammad with Template:Muhammad2.
Seems to be space/pixels enough for destination template to include these parts of information in the "Events" section. After all the topic(s) pertain to a significant part of the carreer of subject. No clear reason to keep just this out of the main template. PPEMES (talk) 16:39, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Prophets in the QuranEdit

Propose merging Template:Prophets in the Quran with Template:Characters and names in the Quran.
Dublicate information. PPEMES (talk) 16:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Crusader sitesEdit

Propose merging Template:Crusader sites with Template:Crusader states.
The sites around contemporary Israel are probably in a larger quantity than the potential row of places associated with the other entities. Thus, the template should be too large if eventually merged. Why not keep it all together, listing the sites under respective state section? PPEMES (talk) 13:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Baku Metro s-line templatesEdit

s-line data modules

{{S-line}} and related templates for lines of the Baku Metro. Superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Baku Metro. All transclusions replaced. There are 13 dependent s-line data modules which should also be deleted. BLAIXX 12:15, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Our Last NightEdit

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. czar 00:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

The band's navigational template consists of three links: the band's article and two album articles. Since the articles already connect to each other, there are not enough links to justify having a navigational template and WP:NENAN. Aspects (talk) 23:48, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep With three things, it makes sense to have a nav box. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:06, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Delete I can see the opinions of my peers. No need to carry the discussion on. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:35, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • delete, the three articles are well-connected through in-article linking, and the succession links in the album infoboxes. Frietjes (talk) 16:32, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:InfoshopsEdit

Doesn't meet the navbox criteria: the contents are loosely related and have no lasting relation to each other, i.e., they wouldn't be linked in each others' "See also" sections. The category and list are sufficient for organizing the loosely related contents. The latter has the added benefit of sorting by region. (Also note that this template was a cut-and-paste merge from Template:Autonomous social centers, now a redirect, where you can find the actual edit history and talk page.) czar 14:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep To state it simply, there is a page called Infoshops and this navbox serves as a useful means to group these infoshops. I’ve already explained this to Czar, who came here for “outside opinions” - in that case, why not make a request for comment or ask for a third opinion instead? Anyhow, I’ll put my reasoning again here, based on the navbox guidelines in the Manual of Style:
  • 1. All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject. - yes and that subject is the infoshop
  • 2. The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article. - this guideline isn't so important in my opinion since as the relevant literature (eg Lacey) makes pains to state, infoshops and social centres are vaguely defined themselves, but yeah the majority are, I've checked
  • 3. The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent. - yes i think they do, they are networked in different ways
  • 4. There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template. - yes there is .. and category as well
  • 5. If not for the navigation template, an editor would be inclined to link many of these articles in the 'See also' sections of the articles. - yup i think that is true here
    • That's the five guidelines. I don’t think it helps that Czar is cherry picking from them above. Further, Czar is being dishonest in suggesting that 'Template:Autonomous social centers' is the original version. This template was first created as 'Template:Infoshops' all the way back in 2008, then was retitled 'Template:Infoshops and social centers' in 2012, and then it was retitled without any discussion in 2018 to 'Template:Autonomous social centers' (by Czar). I have already indicated this is not a useful thing to have done, since many of the listed infoshops are not autonomous social centres eg CIRA, Extrapool, Freedom Press, 491 Gallery, The Forest and many of the North American projects (happy to explain in more detail if anyone is interested). Mujinga (talk) 21:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm familiar with the guidelines from which I quoted. The point is that it doesn't meet the third one: this grouping has as much in common as would an arbitrary collection of movie theaters or specialty grocery stores. As I said, it's fine for a category or list but not a navbox. I've already established that "autonomous social centers" are the parent topic to "infoshops", hence the title of the template that retains literally all of the edit history before its cut-and-paste move. But the scope of the title isn't even the point here. Whether it's scoped to "autonomous social centers", "infoshops", or a combined topic, none of those are a subject matter fit for what warrants a navbox on Wikipedia per the quoted criteria. czar 01:30, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • delete, better to navigate by list article and category. Frietjes (talk) 14:51, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep - Meets nav box criteria. It is a narrower category than 'grocery shops'. They are quite a specific type of venture. You can just as well say Template:Street_newspapers have nothing more in common than they are street newspapers. The fact that some users prefer to use list and category methods of navigation doesn't mean other user wont' find this method more useful. Jonpatterns (talk) 06:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, {{Street newspapers}} suffers the same "loosely related contents" issue and should be nominated as well. czar 11:29, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
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Two deletes (including proposer), two keeps so no consensus for deletion. Relisted for over a week with no further discussion. Can someone please close this discussion, thanks. Mujinga (talk) 12:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

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August 12Edit

Template:Draft atEdit

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. Thanks JJMC89 for pointing out the real purpose of this template. I was too quick in doing this nomination and only looked at transclsuions, which the editnotice use doesn't generate. I will still move the three uses of the template on redirects to {{R with possibilities}} since it's not how the template is supposed to be used. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 18:47, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Template for placing a link to a draft on a redirect page. This should be handled using {{R with possibilities}} draft feature. Where drafts with the same name are linked. After adding support for drafts at another location all 4 transclusions could be converted and this template redirected or deleted. See Template talk:Draft at for some semi-relevant discussion. --Trialpears (talk) 23:57, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep – There is a reason this template was created, and that is because {{R with possibilities}} cannot handle Userspace drafts, only Draftspace drafts. Unless and until {{R with possibilities}} is rewritten to also handle Userspace drafts, this template is needed. --IJBall (contribstalk) 23:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
    IJBall I intend on rewriting R with possibilities to handle drafts at other locations than Draft:{{PAGENAME}}which will make it work for user space drafts. --Trialpears (talk) 00:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
    Great! Once that happens, I'm more than willing to switch to "Delete". Please feel free to drop a diff by my Talk page when you get the revised coding to work. --IJBall (contribstalk) 00:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
    Edit request submitted. --Trialpears (talk) 00:24, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep As noted in the documentation, the template is used in the interface and is not for use on redirects. — JJMC89(T·C) 04:14, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep per JJMC89. This template appears in the edit notice of non-existant pages, where it would not be appropriate to use an RCAT template. --Ahecht (TALK
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Template:COI topEdit

Unused templates for archiving COI discussions. Redundant to more general purpose archival templates. --Trialpears (talk) 23:40, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Articles for ImprovementEdit

Template for process marked historical in 2014. Supposed to go in article space so absolutley no reason for keeping it. --Trialpears (talk) 23:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:BrowsebarphilippinesEdit

Unused template that is very unlikley to be used since the Philippines portal now uses the standard {{Portals browsebar}}. --Trialpears (talk) 23:35, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:10yearsEdit

Propose merging Template:10years with Template:Navseasoncats.
Proposing merging to {{navseasoncats}} for same reasons as mentioned by @BrownHairedGirl: in her Template:Cat topic in year nomination. Navseasoncats require no parameters making it easier to use and has a lot of customisation options. --Trialpears (talk) 19:18, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Module:OldEnglishToIPAEdit

This module was previously nominated at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 April 22#Module:OldEnglishToIPA and closed as no consensus. Seems like there's room for improvement on this module and possibly a return to use in the original template. No prejudice against a renomination if it sits unused and/or unedited after a few months.. Well, three months later, the module is still unused and has not been edited since 2017, and so I am nominating it for deletion again. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Soft delete with possible refund. --Trialpears (talk) 17:56, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete as before. If someone wants this, move it to user sandbox, but currently, if nothing has changed since last discussion, the module is not working properly. --Gonnym (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete – I have some doubt the template is practical in the first place (see previous TfD), not to mention it doesn't work in its current form. If the creator wants to keep it, move it under Module:Sandbox/. Nardog (talk) 18:16, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:ProgressEdit

Unused (three talk page messages talking about the template and a few ancient user subpages using it) and redundant to {{Progress bar}}/{{Progression}}/{{Progress meter}}. --Trialpears (talk) 12:47, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

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  • Delete as unused and as redundant to other templates. --Gonnym (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox awards listEdit

Propose merging Template:Infobox awards list with Template:Infobox musician awards.
These templates are set out almost identically; the only reason I can see to have the "musician awards" separate is because of the custom awards names, but those can easily be merged/combined. The templates' "custom" templates are nearly identical as well. Primefac (talk) 13:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Reading Railroad s-line templatesEdit

s-line data modules

{{s-line}} templates for the Reading Company. Superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Reading Company. All transclusions replaced. There are 30 dependent s-line data modules which should also be deleted. Mackensen (talk) 00:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete per past consensus to migrate to adjacent stations module. BLAIXX 10:35, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

August 11Edit

Template:Connected contributor multiEdit

The template has effectively been deprecated and all uses should be converted to {{Connected contributor}}. --Trialpears (talk) 23:47, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Replace and delete. This is a great example of why I dislike "deprecation". It is meaningless in the context of Wikipedia, as can be seen by this template being deprecated 4 years ago saying yet still in-use. --Gonnym (talk) 06:18, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:ArnEdit

Talk page banner for a process deprecated in 2006. 1 transclusion in a sandbox that hasn't been edited for 7 years. --Trialpears (talk) 23:09, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  • I have no objection to redirecting it to the (hopefully archived) page about the process -- but I don't see any point to limiting access to its revision history only to admins (which is what deleting would do). JesseW, the juggling janitor 02:22, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete. Wikipedia is not GitHub and should not be a code repository. Templates, unlike articles, are not content, but serve a function, which this template does not, and has not for more time than most users of this site have even used it. --Gonnym (talk) 06:21, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Old VfDEdit

One transclusion at Template talk:Old AfD. The process is deprecated since 2005 so I think it's time for it to go or be redirected. --Trialpears (talk) 23:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep Redirect to Template:Old AfD with conditions that have to be met prior to redirection. (See my comments in this discussion for details. Steel1943 (talk) 16:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC) ) As long as Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Votes for deletion contains pages that are not redirects (which it currently does ... since I've been working on that off-and-on for a few years now), this template still serves a purpose since Template:Old AfD does not utilize the "Wikipedia:Votes for deletion" prefix by default. Once/if all of the pages on that list (that represent discussions) are properly converted to redirects, then this template should be redirected to Template:Old AfD. (Also, at the present time, Template:Old AfD does not contain a votepage= parameter, which is a parameter Template:Old VfD utilizes in lieu of the page= parameter in Template:Old AfD.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:13, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
    Steel1943 If I converted the 40 non-redirects listed by your link would you support this proposal? --Trialpears (talk) 23:20, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
    @Trialpears: I would, but here's the thing with that and why it's taken me so gosh darn long to resolve the non-redirects. Most (but probably all) of these non-redirects are the result of a bot about a decade ago not being able to move them to their corresponding "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion" titles since there is/was already a page there (usually a 2nd nomination in the new "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion" prefix.) Also, disregarding what I have been doing extensively (such as making sure that all later discussions are moved ... such as moving "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/7388436" to "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/7388436 (2nd nomination)" before moving "Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/7388436" to "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/7388436"), when/if these pages are moved, in my opinion since I tend to be an archivist, all of the incoming links to these pages (in all namespaces) would need to be updated to ensure that talk pages and archives are not broken. Steel1943 (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
    Steel1943 I will make sure it gets done. Updating links will be essential as several of these discussions may be relevant in the future. I will have to request temporary page mover right, but that shouldn't be a problem. --Trialpears (talk) 23:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. The Holding Cell is here exactly for when a result needs work done before the template can be deleted. Steel1943 has explained the process that needs to happen, when it happens, this can be deleted. No reason to have this conversation again then. --Gonnym (talk) 06:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:SampleEdit

Transcluded in six pages, none of them in the mainspace. Instead, they happen to be user sandboxes and one user page, mostly by users who created their accounts and then just don't contribute afterwards. Also, it can be confused with {{audio sample}}, {{listen}}, {{watch}}, etc. The template should be substituted and then deleted. Alternatively, it can be deprecated into an error message. BTW, last year someone changed the template into some table. I recently found out, so I just reverted it back to some Wikipedia message, which is what was originally intended. George Ho (talk) 21:19, 11 August 2019 (UTC); edited, 21:33, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Keep. I created this as the sample template for training purposes 12 years ago. It has become a magnet for vandalism, and should be reverted where used. If watching it and the documentation for it is too much work, then I suppose it must be deleted, but I will be sad to see it go.   — Jeff G. ツ 21:49, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Jeff G. In your latest version of the documentation page it says "The {{Sample}} template shows people sample results of the correct use of the {{Interwiki doc page pattern}} template. Please replace this information with how your template works. " The Interwiki doc page pattern template is now deleted. Is there still any reason to keep it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trialpears (talkcontribs) 21:54, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:DiffsEdit

Unused and undocumented. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:31, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  • delete and potentially redirect to {{diff}}. Frietjes (talk) 16:43, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete - the name "diffs" seems to imply multiple diffs, which is not what the template does (it links to a single diff). –Sonicwave talk 06:22, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

New York Central Railroad s-line templatesEdit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:42, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

s-line data modules

{{s-line}} templates for the New York Central Railroad. Superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/New York Central Railroad. All transclusions replaced. There are 127 dependent s-line data modules which should also be deleted. Mackensen (talk) 15:37, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete; unused and replaced. Jc86035 (talk) 16:47, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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British Home Championship football standings templatesEdit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:09, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

no longer used after being merged with the parent article (with attribution) per consensus at WT:FOOTY. Frietjes (talk) 13:58, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

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Template:ArchiveNoticeEdit

Redundant to {{Auto archiving notice}}. Both templates have very few transclusions. --Trialpears (talk) 12:12, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Merge, per nominator. Jc86035 (talk) 14:20, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Notice2Edit

Redundant to {{notice}}. Only one transclusion. --Trialpears (talk) 12:00, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete; redundant and basically unused. Jc86035 (talk) 12:13, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:RTA styleEdit

Unused; replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/RTA Rapid Transit. Jc86035 (talk) 08:49, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


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