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This page lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 26 discussions have been relisted, indicated by (Discuss)

November 17, 2019Edit

  • (Discuss)Hope Lodge (disambiguation)Hope Lodge – Request move of disambiguation page back to original location, after noticing and moving a page now at Hope Lodge (American Cancer Society) out of the way, to allow for this. I assumed this would be non-controversial, because there are many usages of the term, and the American Cancer Society one does not appear to have overwhelming wp:PRIMARYUSAGE. I think there is no one most prominent/salient usage. However I then noticed that there might be disagreement, because in fact editor User:Werldwayd had moved the disambiguation page out of their way, in February 2018, when they created the American Cancer Society one's page. They asserted it being "very important" in an edit summary. Me, i don't think that usage is primary. By this move discussion, I want to secure ratification that the move of the ACS page was okay, too, i.e. that the main "Hope Lodge" location can again be the disambiguation page. Doncram (talk) 01:54, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

November 16, 2019Edit

  • (Discuss)WYAY (FM 93.7)WYAY (FM) – We don't include the frequency in a radio station's article title; just the callsign and the type (which is dis-ambiguated with either -XX or (XX) with the punctuation answering whether the FCC includes the suffix; in this case it doesn't so the article's title should be WYAY (FM).) Georgia guy (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Xenu → ? – "Xenu" is really just a person/character in the story, and it feels a bit awkward labelling the whole article by that name - a bit like calling the article Genesis creation narrative by the name "God" or "Adam". You can't say the article is about the individual person, and thus shouldn't carry his name by default. I'm not sure what to call it instead though, but a few ideas: *"The Wall of Fire (Scientology)" or "Incident II", which is what the church internally calls the story *"Scientology creation myth", which is not entirely accurate but they do regard it very heavily *"Xenu story" or "Xenu narrative" or something similar, keeping with the namesake but clarifying the focus on the narrative Thank you. Gaioa (T C L) 12:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

November 15, 2019Edit

  • (Discuss)Baylor University Medical Center at DallasBaylor University Medical Center – It appears this is the former name of this page, but was moved per the move discussion in 2010, above. In contrast to the move discussion, I see no evidence that this hospital is referred to by the present title of the article, per a Google search under the proposed and current names and the official website. Moreover, similarly named hospitals in Houston are "Baylor College of Medicine Medical Center - McNair campus" and Baylor St. Luke's Medical Center, not the proposed name as the 2010 request suggests. So, I see no need for the "at Dallas" qualifier. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

November 14, 2019Edit

  • (Discuss)Silencer (firearms)Silencer – After this article's move from "suppressor" to "silencer", the article has become the clear primary topic for "silencer", with 6x as many pageviews as the scientific term. Since most people agree the proper name for this is a "silencer", it should be moved to the primary namespace ZXCVBNM (TALK) 23:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Racism in South AfricaRacism by Black people in South Africa – The renaming will correlate with the main concerns of the article if the evidence is taken as true and I don't have time to look into every citation but take it as valid without any review and how the article is written, sensationalism, propaganda or blatant lies aren't the concern that's being noted in the article but the final result is the one judged to fit the renaming if it is found wanting or very ridiculous or direct biases of racism interest or racist apologists nature those that detect that will do as they pleas as I've tried deleting this mess so rather it's worth for whatever it correlates with Untrammeled (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)BAMTechDisney Streaming Services – There are a number of sources listed above. I would particularily draw editors attention to the BAM Tech website direct viewers to go to their new website,, which is Disney Streaming Services' website. Spshu (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)LatLat (cartoonist) – so that Lat (disambiguation) -> LAT lat and Lat -> LAT LAT -> lat, because this cartoonist is less notable than many things named lat such as latitude, Latvian lat and Los Angeles Times. Roy17 (talk) 19:27, 7 November 2019 (UTC) (Changed redirect target 10:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC))
  • (Discuss)Set screwGrub screw – The term "set screw" has different applications in different countries. In the US it commonly refers to a grub screw or similar small-headed or headless bolt. In the UK it refers to a normal-headed bolt (often, but not only hex) with a fully-threaded shank. I believe that Australia and New Zealand follow the UK terminology, at least some of the time. On the other hand, there is no confusion about the term "grub screw"; so far as I'm aware everywhere understands it as a headless type of bolt. Lithopsian (talk) 14:37, 6 November 2019 (UTC)Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Selecta (vending company) → ? – Selecta is no longer just a vending machine company, and has not been for a number of years - vending machines are only one small part of their offering, so I wonder if this descriptor in the title is a little misleading? I would appreciate your thoughts. Selecta does still operate a number of public, semi-public and private vending machines, but a large part of the business is now in self-service coffee machines and self-service food on the go choices in workplaces (but these aren't vending machines, they are more like 24/7 self-service supermarkets offering healthy meals, snacks and drinks, which are housed within a workplace office). 'Selecta Group' or 'Selecta (unattended self-service retailer)' may be more appropriate? Or even just 'Selecta (self-service retailer)'? Many thanks for your consideration. EmilyRH31 (talk) 17:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Rainmaker StudiosMainframe Studios – As of October 11, 2019, the Rainmaker Studios branding has been ditched for an overall re-brand as Mainframe Studios: "Originally founded as Mainframe Entertainment, we operated under the name Rainmaker Entertainment for over a decade, but we’ve now returned to our roots." If you go to, it re-directs you to Mainframe Studios currently acts as a re-direct to this page, so I'm not clear on how we should rename it. Move all the content from here to the re-direct and then make Rainmaker Studios a re-direct page? Damnedfan1234 (talk) 22:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC)Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)University Hospitals of ClevelandUniversity Hospitals Cleveland Medical Center – This page seems to focus more on the flagship hospital than the parent health system. It has an infobox for a hospital rather than an organization. Discussion of the health system can still occur under the new name, keeping the lead and infobox focused on the hospital. An alternative name would be simply Cleveland Medical Center (which currently redirects to this page, though the "University Hospitals" preface is consistent with the existing page for another hospital in the system, University Hospitals Portage Medical Center. It seems odd the flagship hospital does not have its own page, while a smaller satellite hospital does. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:08, 7 November 2019 (UTC)Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:40, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pell GrantPell grant – This is not a proper noun. It is a type of grant, not one specific grant. See the RM discussions at Talk:Personal equity plan, Talk:Individual savings account, and Talk:Tax-free savings account. As the proper noun article says, "a class of entities" is a common noun, not a proper noun. Some writers use capital letters to indicate any special string of words or anything to be abbreviated with initials, but Wikipedia's convention is to use sentence case for topic names instead. The second sentence of the article says "Federal Pell Grants are ..." If it's plural, it's not a proper noun (with few exceptions, as with the Hendersons, the Everglades, the Azores, the Pleiades). —BarrelProof (talk) 04:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:36, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Bubble wrapBubble packaging material – "Bubble wrap" is a type of material commonly used for packaging purposes. It is a brand name of Sealed Air Corp: see Bubble Wrap (brand). Some say it is also a generic term for any type of sheeted bubble packaging. It has been requested to change the present title of this article, "Bubble Wrap", to a more neutral title. I have checked ASTM International. Standard D996 on Packaging Terminology calls this material "Bubble packaging material". This might be a good name for Wikipedia to use. I propose a move to Bubble packaging material. Pkgx (talk) 02:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC) Pkgx (talk) 02:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

November 13, 2019Edit

  • (Discuss)Scrubs (clothing)Scrubs – An instance of a WP:PLURALPT. It is also primary over the TV series, since the series is obviously named after the article of clothing, which its characters commonly wear. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:49, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Nazi gas vanGas vanUser:Nug split this article (which he himself acknowledged was WP:BOLD) with no discussion or warning here, and immediately edited the redirect resulting from the move into a DAB, making a revert impossible. Since then, My very best wishes, Paul Siebert, and myself all expressed the view that this was a mistake; ZScarpia expressed support, but it was still clearly not discussed and still seems to lack consensus. I request that it be reverted, at least until some consensus for the move / split can be demonstrated. When I said I would request that this be reverted, Nug essentially objected by demanding that we hold a straw poll before reverting them, but given that there was no discussion beforehand I don't think this is necessary; they must demonstrate consensus before a contested move or split, not after. --Aquillion (talk) 10:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Four Asian TigersFour Asian Dragons – Requesting a move to Four Asian Dragons based on the more commonly used term. It reflects the name used by the originating countries of this economic phenomena. Google search results show 21 million for "four asian dragons," 11 million for "four asian tigers," and 58 million for "four little dragons." Google Scholar results show 62,700 results for "four dragon economies," 56,700 for "four tiger economies," 66,900 for "four asian tigers," and 79,900 for "four little dragons". OjdvQ9fNJWl (talk) 05:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Varma (surname)Varma (name) – So Varma (given name) was deleted again, this time without discussion. The problem here is that Varma (name) was a good title, but then some Verschlimmbesserwisser went and moved it to exclude the first name and then delete the article about the first name. So, logically, the best course of action is to return to the status quo ante bellum where both topics inhabit the same article. vuo (talk) 00:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

November 12, 2019Edit

  • (Discuss)Palestinian territoriesPalestinian territory – Before 1999, the UN and the majority of international organizations frequently referred to the Palestinian territories but this has changed over time as described (with sources) in the article lead, the customary usage now being "Occupied Palestine Territory" (OPT or oPt in short form). A current example of this usage is given in this 2016 UN document, "United Nations Country Team Occupied Palestinian Territory" which includes the following definition at page 9:

    “Palestine”, “State of Palestine”, “occupied Palestinian territory”: In this report the terms “Palestine”, the “State of Palestine” and “occupied Palestinian Territory” have been used interchangeably depending on context. Specifically the term “occupied Palestinian territory” refers as a whole to the geographical area of the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967.

    Apart from the usage by the UN, the EU and the ICJ already mentioned in the lead, the term is also used, for example, by Oxfam, WHO and Amnesty. A google search on the term will reveal multiple primary and secondary usage. Selfstudier (talk) 15:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 12:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

November 11, 2019Edit

  • (Discuss)FK Radnički 1923FK Radnički Kragujevac – The club has changed its name numerous times, especially in the last 20 years (KFK Radnički, FK Šumadija Radnički 1923, FK Radnički 1923, etc.), but is commonly, and historically, referred to as FK Radnički Kragujevac. Also, the current name is ambiguous since there is another Radnički, founded the same year, that has the "1923" part displayed on its logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:6E0E:7FFD:F0D7:BB84:3506:914E (talk) 23:40, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2019 Lebanese protests2019 Lebanese Revolt – (The mass protests in Lebanon have been taking place for over 26 days now and they call for the complete overruling of the ruling parliament. This qualifies it to be labelled as a revolt instead of a protest. This is the most agreeable title as some argue that labelling it as a revolution would be taking it a step too far.). Kaepora~enwiki (talk) 18:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Xanny (song)Xanny – I feel like this article should just be titled "Xanny" since there's no other article by that name that the "(song)" suffix would distinguish it from and any confusion with the drug could be clarified by the already existing note at the top of the article. Searching "Xanny" already redirects to this article anyway.Gagaluv1 (talk) 17:40, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Procurator of St Mark'sProcurators of Saint Mark – Suggest that the page currently entitled "Procurator of Saint Mark's" be amended to "Procurators of Saint Mark". Admittedly, the Italian could be translated either way. But I looked at several sources by major English-speaking historians, and I find it only as "Procurators of Saint Mark", without the genitive. Venicescapes (talk) 15:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Coat (animal)Animal coat – Per WP:NATURAL and because the current disambiguation is confusing (a coat is not an animal, it's a trait of an animal). There is the possibility it could be confused with "coats for animals", but this one could too, so that doesn't really change anything. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

November 10, 2019Edit

  • (Discuss)Backpacking (travel)Backpacker tourism – This moved was previously performed unilaterally by User:Wikieditor600, with the reason given as "Correct terminology". But (1) the move was incomplete as it failed to rename the talk page, and (2) I think this warrants prior discussion. I've reverted the move, and filed it as an RM instead. I'm nominating this procedurally and abstain from !voting. Paul_012 (talk) 19:45, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)S'gaw Karen languageKaren language – S'gaw Karen is a term that no one uses. When people talk about Karen language, they are referring to S'gaw Karen however it confuses people when they search for Karen language, Karenic languages will show up at the a answer but that's not what are they are looking for. Karenic languages is the family language that the Karen language fall into. There are many other Karenic languages such as Pa'O, Pwo, Bwe, etc. So we would like the page name to change to Karen language so it'll be less confusing when people search for Karen language (individual language and not the language which is Karenic languages). Jaeminlovetaejoon (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2019 (UTC) Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Elapsed listingsEdit

  • (Discuss)Flan (disambiguation)Flan – For some years, there has been confusion about the Flan article, because flan in UK English is a class of tarts or pies, including for example quiche lorraine, whereas in US English, it has come to be a synonym for Crème caramel, because that is what flan means in Spanish, and the Latin American versions of flan have become popular in the US. The old solution was to have the Crème caramel article include flan in the Spanish/US sense, and flan be flan in the UK sense. But this seems to be an unstable solution. So I proposed reorganizing the pages on Talk:Flan a few weeks ago, with no objections. The reorganization merges the Spanish-language flan content into crème caramel, moves the UK flan content to Flan (pie), and makes Flan into a dab page. Currently it redirects to this dab page, but it would be cleaner to move Flan (disambiguation) to Flan. Macrakis (talk) 03:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Crow-stepped gableStepped gable – I have never ever heard of a "crow-stepped" gable, and I can't figure out what it even means. There is no derivation explaining any "crow-ness" in the article. The term I know is common in the U.S., and I presume worldwide, is "Stepped gable", which is given as an alternate in the lede. In the U.S. stepped gables were brought by immigrants from the Netherlands, Germany, Dnemark etc., and turn out to be well-suited in some areas but do poorly in freeze-and-thaw weather of upstate New York, for example. (Also, by the way, there are frequently much less steep steps than in the photos shown, so balance on that is needed too.) I request move to simpler, more universally known, clear term. Doncram (talk) 03:29, 2 November 2019 (UTC) Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Theosophy (Boehmian)Christian theosophy – Move was the original name of this article, and we should revert to that. It is also the primary term used in reliable sources. Faivre is the greatest authority on this topic area, and he uses by a large margin the term Christian theosophy. When he (rarely) uses the term Boehmenist Theosophy, he talks about Jacob Boehme, not about Christian theosophy in general. Same with other scholars like Versluis. It was the original name of this article for many years (actually since the beginning of Wikipedia). It seems it was moved without discussion. Riley0O0O0O (talk) 10:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


  • (Discuss)Luiz Inácio Lula da SilvaLula – Per section above, Lula is not part of his name but a nickname. "Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva" is a ridiculous construction. It should either be "Luiz Inácio da Silva" or just "Lula". – PeeJay 22:53, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Theosophy (Blavatskian)Theosophy – Move was the original name of this article, and we should revert to that. Theosophy (Blavatskian) is problematic as page title, since the article makes clear that the founders of Theosophy included more people than just Blavatsky (Henry Steel Olcott, W.Q. Judge), and other persons have greatly contributed and defined or redefined Theosophy, like Alice Bailey and many others. Reliable sources, including virtually all encyclopedias like Encyclopedia Brittanica, Melton's Encyclopedia of American Religions, Encyclopedia of Psychology and Religion or The Encyclopedia of World Religions, when using this term, primarly use it to mean the modern theosophical movement (and of course in common parlance, it is used in this way) Theosophy, which was the original name of this article for many years (actually since the beginning of Wikipedia). It seems it was moved without discussion to this problematic title. Riley0O0O0O (talk) 11:01, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Table-glassFaceted glass – The article has been somewhat better sourced through the AfD discussion, and lots of better names have been proposed. "Faceted glass" is a literal translation from the Russian and a perfectly plausible English description, so maybe it's best. If not, propose alternatives. Dicklyon (talk) 06:33, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ninth CrusadeLord Edward's crusade – This is not the common name of this crusade. "Lord Edward's crusade" is used by Simon Lloyd in an article dedicated to it (see Further reading), by the ODNB and by numerous other sources. It isn't hard to see why: this was not a separate event from the Eighth Crusade (Louis IX's second, the Tunis crusade). It was a continuation of that crusade by an army which showed up late. Srnec (talk) 02:33, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)War against Islam conspiracy theory → ? – According to the just-closed AFD, the current title of the article may be inappropriate as the topic may not be a "conspiracy theory" or known as such. Since we don't settle article naming discussions at AFD and there was no consensus there on a replacement title, I'll begin a proper name discussion here. Pinging the four participants of the AFD @Steve Quinn, EastTN, MarginalCost, and Doug Weller: Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2019 (UTC)