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Proposed deletion of Felix RossignolEdit


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January 2020 at Women in RedEdit

January 2020, Volume 6, Issue 1, Numbers 146, 148, 149, 150, 151, 153

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Brandon Adams ArticleEdit

While I am not the original writer of the Brandon Adams article, I would like to make one suggestion. I think it is only befitting that there be mention of the murder of Merlin Santana included in the article as Brandon Adams was the driver of the car that Merlin was in the night he was murdered. Whoever wrote the Merlin Santana article mentioned this information but they listed Brandon as Brandon Q. Adams. There is a hyperlink over Brandon Q. Adams' name in the Merlin Santana article which reverts you to the Brandon Adams article, but there is no mention of the shooting/murder of Merlin there. The suspects were not only charged with murdering Merlin but also in the attempted murder of Brandon, and I just feel that that needs to be mentioned on his article.

Age is impossibleEdit

How can he be a member of Royal Serbian army and fight in world war one (1914-1918) when he was born in 1941 ? Its wrong information, please check the facts, this is ridiculous !

Automatic WikiProject taggingEdit

I would like to gain thoughts and consensus on whether having my bot place the WikiProject banner on the talk pages of several thousand biographies of dead persons. The categories which have their articles checked are listed at User:Dreamy Jazz/sandbox/3 (this is only a copy and paste from my computer, so changing this won't change the list on my computer). I suspect that total number of pages to tag will be around 17,000, but duplicate articles / some pruning to the list may reduce this number slightly.

The bot could also, if wanted, auto assess when it adds the banner (following the rules at User:BU RoBOT/autoassess). It could also auto assess the class as a stub if there is a stub template on the article if no other projects have rated the article. This will reduce the number of pages which are added to Category:Unassessed biography articles, but would add it to Category:Automatically assessed biography articles.

If this is wanted I will file a WP:BRFA, otherwise, I will probably use AWB to add the project banners myself (as I have been doing for BLPs). Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 13:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

BRFA filed at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Dreamy Jazz Bot 4. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 16:47, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
The bot is now running (has been since the early hours of this morning). Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 12:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!Edit

Please note that Abu Nuwas, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
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June 2020 at Women in RedEdit

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June 2020, Volume 6, Issue 6, Numbers 150, 151, 167, 168, 169

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Structure opinion on GA nominationEdit

Hi there, I've been reviewing the Laura Harrier GA nomination and I suggested that the one-sentence 'personal life' section could be merged with the 'early life', to form an early & personal life section about non-career details. The nominator suggested that the article should be chronological and asked for another opinion on this structure. I thought I'd ask here if anyone would like to provide this opinion, since the matter is most relevant to this WikiProject. Thanks, Kingsif (talk) 16:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed split at Philippe PétainEdit

Your feedback would be appreciated at this split proposal at Philippe Pétain. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:54, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Racial views of Winston ChurchillEdit

This AFD has been opened and may be of interest to members of this project. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Ford FAREdit

I have nominated Gerald Ford for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Smile and physical appearanceEdit

I had added “A student described him as having a "charming smile which just refuses to leave his countenance, with penetrating jet black eyes”, but this has been removed on the basis of “Wikipedia is not a hagiography. What smile he had is really, really not Wikipedia material”. Kindly advise if this is correct, seeing that the smile of Makinti Napanangka and Anne Hathaway are mentioned. Chesdovi (talk) 13:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Assessment parametersEdit

  Moved from Template talk:WikiProject Biography § Assessment parameters: Per suggestion that this would require consensus. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey, would it be possible to add parameters for assessment, i.e. of the kind:


I know some other templates like this do, for eg. Template:WPMILHIST, but I'm not sure of the exact syntax. This would in any case be a useful addition. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:38, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Ordinarily this would be achieved with placing code like this:
|HOOK_ASSESS = {{WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist
 |BANNER_NAME=Template:WikiProject Biography
 |ASSESSMENT_LINK     = Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment
in the vicinity of (but not replacing) the existing line
which needs to be retained. See for example Template:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom - MILHIST is not a good one to copy, being extremely non-standard. Unfortunately the |HOOK_ASSESS= parameter is already present, and is occupied with other custom code:
 |HOOK_ASSESS            = {{yesno|{{{core|}}}|yes={{WikiProject Biography/corebio
and I've not worked out how to accommodate both.
Regardless of that, a major change like this would require a consensus discussion at WT:WikiProject Biography. It's major because 25,077 pages would all be dropped from Category:B-Class biography articles to Category:C-Class biography articles until they could be reassessed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
@Redrose: I agree that it would be a "major change"; but then again this is not "B-class" by any standard (depending on how much we know about this person, it might be C-class) yet that's what the template said. The template from WP Germany (which also has its own non-standard parameters for this purpose) had a conflicting but more accurate "start class" assessment (I have since harmonised this for consistency). Do you know if there's a way to list articles which have been assessed in more than one WP template and where the assessments are conflicting? This would already be a possibility for improvement. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
RandomCanadian, if there is not a preexisting method, this seems best solved by using a bot and then a database report. Let me see what I can get together. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 20:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
I'd support something that can show us conflicting assessments, but in terms of making a checklist, we don't have the manpower to do that for a wikiproject of this size. Wizardman 21:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
A report is being generated. It should be at User:Dreamy Jazz Bot/WikiProject Biography tagged pages with conflicting classes once it is complete (the page will turn blue when the report is generated as the bot will create the page). Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 01:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
The report is limited to 1000 pages but this can be increased (the higher the limit the longer it takes to generate so 1000 seemed sensible to me for now). I plan to move this to a subpage of the WikiProject if the report is wanted (subject to approval from BRFA of course). Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 01:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!Edit

Please note that Anna Holmlund, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
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Category:Category-Class biography articlesEdit

Hello, I started removing some redundant WikiProject tagging by blocked user Ottawahitech (example); however, it seems from the number of members in the category in the title that this project shouldn't be removed? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:25, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

More automatic WikiProject taggingEdit

My bot has finished running the previous tagging run approved at BRFA. Based on XTools the bot added the banner to 37,801 talk pages.

I would like to run the bot on pages in year/decade/century of birth like categories. There will be some differences in dealing with articles where the subject is alive:

  • If a WikiProject banner shell is already present and the talk page does not use a {{BLP}} like template, the bot will add |living=yes to the WikiProject banner shell.
  • If there is no WikiProject banner shell and there is a {{BLP}} like template on the page, the bot will skip the page.

Apart from these differences, the bot function will be very similar to the previous run. I welcome thoughts here or at the request for approval at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Dreamy Jazz Bot 5. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 14:11, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

RfC on whether MOS:ETHNICITY should be put aside or not for the Nikola Tesla biographyEdit

Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity#RfC:_Should_ethnicity_be_removed_from_the_lead? Notrium (talk) 16:23, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Question about "notable gallery" in context of WP:NARTISTEdit

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anne_Savedge When we're dealing with sources, we refer to perennial sources list or RSN. One commentator suggests being a line item in a bankruptcy proceeding in "Polaroid Collection" counts as being a part of "notable gallery". How do we determine if a gallery is a "notable gallery" or run of the mill, or vanity gallery? Does being a line item of a bankruptcy asset list like above count as such? Graywalls (talk) 07:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Appearing in a legal document still appears like a trivial mention (in a WP:PRIMARY source, at that, which shouldn't be used for notability anyway), the coverage needs to be about the article subject, not some other random topic where the subject happens to be mentioned. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
@Vexations:, let's continue the discussion on the comment you left about this at the AfD. Graywalls (talk) 13:31, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Graywalls, Sure. Do you have a question about the Polaroid Collection, the Westlicht Museum, or galleries in general? To address the sale of the Polaroid Collection, that has received coverage in the media. The guardian wrote about it when it was auctioned, [1] and there's more news coverage after the sale here. There's likely more, but just is just from searching for 15 seconds. Vexations (talk) 15:12, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Vexations, for this particular source, I consider this to be like an estate sale/liquidation that has received significant attention. I feel that it isn't appropriate to count towards notability for absolutely everything that appears in the inventory sheet of this. In this particular instance, Savedge just happened to be a few of many thousands of items whose existence was limited to an inventorying list. I'm saying for future such situation, significant media coverage of asset A and handful of items within asset A, doesn't mean a separate primary source document that itemizes everything in asset A should be considered as a notability point for every name/item that appears in the list. Graywalls (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!Edit

Please note that William Mariner (writer), which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
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Featured article length & Laura HarrierEdit

FAC Laura Harrier is currently in a standstill. One editor supported the promotion to FA status but the current editor believes the article is too short to be a Featured Article. Could anyone assist with this article or quickly look over it for a review, or if not interested in reviewing it, let me know if it is indeed too short please? Factfanatic1 (talk) 13:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

There is no set minimum length for an FA. FWIW, Halkett boat is an FA and is somewhat shorter than Laura Harrier (currently a GA). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Infobox for a physician-scientistEdit

Which infobox should be used in the case of physician-scientists? Template:infobox scientist or Template:infobox medical person? Or maybe would it be better to embed one in the other?  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 23:10, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bait30: Per the instructions given in the documentation pages, I think the best course of action for your purposes would be to use these as modules of {{infobox person}}. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Now that I looked at it more closely, I actually think just using infobox medical person would work because it has a parameter for "|research_field="  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 02:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Request for comment about Greta ThunbergEdit

If you are interested there is a request for comment about Talk:Greta Thunberg#Picture change. AnomalousAtom (talk) 10:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft Shamsher Singh (Journalist)Edit

Hello! I want to get a feedback on the article and some suggestions to improve it. If you think that no improvements are required then please help me by Approving the article. It has all references and is properly linked to other Wiki pages. SinghPurnima72 (talk) 15:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Kindly remove Tarbuj of Maharashtra from Devendra Fadnavis's WikipediaEdit

Someone added Tarbuj of Maharashtra in Devendra Fadnavis's wikipedia page Someone added without reference, Kindly remove as soon as possible.

Idea: Create Category:Cause of death disputedEdit

This has been brought up in my home wiki and I can't decide it's a good idea or not but I can't find a category here (or any discussion of deletion of such category). Do you think it's a good idea? Should I be bold and start it as a subcategory of Category:Deaths_by_cause? Ladsgroupoverleg 12:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

What would you envisage the scope of this being, and what would you consider the use case? Such a category would need to be very strictly defined or we'd end up tagging half the biographies on the project every time some crank posts an "Elvis faked his death" or "Georve VI was killed by the Lizard People" conspiracy theory on Twitter. (Just "Coronavirus is a hoax" alone would draw a significant number of biographies, and don't get me started on the holocaust deniers.) We should probably be looking at it from the other angle, of "what purpose does Category:Deaths by cause serve and should it exist at all?". Taking three of the categories there completely at random—Deaths by falling out of airplane, People who died in ATV incidents and Deaths from pulmonary hemorrhage, plus the top-level Accidental deaths, all of the sub-categories get so little traffic as to statistically be zero, and even Accidental deaths—a relatively 'juicy' topic with which one might think readers might be interested—averages all of seven clicks per day. To put that in perspective, I've been virtually inactive this year but nonetheless my talkpage averages 36 times the pageviews of Category:Accidental deaths, while even the top-level Category:Deaths by cause consistently gets less interest than Cats That Look Like Hitler[2]. BrownHairedGirl is usually the best placed person to advise on which categories are and aren't worth creating. ‑ Iridescent 16:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping, Iridescent. I agree with most of your scepticism here.
Cause of death is rarely a WP:DEFINING characteristic. Most people die of natural causes (heart attack, stroke, cancer) some time after they have stopped doing whatever made them WP:Notable.
Other causes of death are rarely WP:DEFINING unless the death ends an active career (John Smith, Shane McEntee) , or the cause of death is itself newsworthy (e.g. Steve Fossett, John Denver).
There is some significance where the death is occupation-related, such as soldiers killed on active service, or major event-related (the Holocaust, tsunamis, etc) .... but that's a small proportion of biographies.
I could see a case for Category:Cause of death disputed for those biogs where such a dispute is actually WP:DEFINING (e.g. Jeffrey Epstein). But the problem is that the category would fill up not just with the conspiracy theorist examples which Iridiscent cites, but with an even greater number of articles where there wasn't a definitive autopsy, but the uncertainty is not a notable issue.
We do have Category:Unsolved deaths, which may cover some of this territory. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

July 2020 at Women in RedEdit

Women in Red / July 2020, Volume 6, Issue 7, Numbers 150, 151, 170, 171, 172, 173

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Hans Gross, "Criminal Investigations, a Practical Textbook" and the Inspector Ghote books by HRF KeatingEdit

The fictional detective Inspector Ganesh Ghote frequently refers to "Criminal Investigations, a Practical Textbook" HRF Keating (talk) 07:59, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

John Alexander CarrollEdit

I am pretty sure, Dr. Carroll served on the USS Nevada at Pearl Harbor, not the California. He ran away from his family's ranch in Wyoming when he was 16 and joined the Navy in San Diego. According to Dr. Carroll he told the recruiter he wanted to get as far away from Wyoming as possible, and was assigned to the Pacific fleet aboard the USS Nevada.

During the attack at Pearl Harbor he received an eye wound which he underwent a number of surgeries throughout the remainder of his life. He vividly talked about watching the Arizona blow up in front of him - that's when he was wounded. After the war, he served on Truman's Presidential Yacht in DC, where he began his undergraduate studies at Georgetown. He received his BA, MA and Phd from Georgetown.

While a professor at UCLA, he acted as a double for Clark Gable in the movie Across the Wide Missouri. Anytime you saw Gable from a distance on a horse, that was actually Dr. Carroll who learned to ride in Wyoming.

He also spent time at Troy University in Alabama. Would teach his classes without the use of a text book, as an outline for him or for his students to read. Revered by most of his students, he wore silk suits, a wide-brimmed hat and spats almost every day and spoke about historical events as if he was there. 2600:1702:1FC0:54B0:B5D8:BBB8:AAED:178B (talk) 01:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC on tagging BLP with template messages signaling COI and OWNEdit

There is an RfC on the following link: Talk:Boris_Malagurski#RfC_on_Template_messages_and_Article_sections. It concerns dispute over tagging the BLP article with template messages which point to the possible COI and OWN issues that plagues the article for more than a ten years.--౪ Santa ౪99° 01:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


CAT:NN has a crazy backlog, including over 13,000 biographies some of which have been waiting almost 12 years: [3] Can you please help? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 15:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC on Zak SmithEdit

There is a current RFC on Zak Smith that the project may be interested in weighing in. [4] Chetsford (talk) 15:22, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

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