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Well deservedEdit

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your incredible work on helping create Supreme Court Justice articles. It is hard to find dedicated people on the missing article page. I am glad to have found your work. I will assist you as much as I can. AmericanAir88(talk) 15:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Many thanks, AmericanAir88! The help will be most appreciated. bd2412 T 15:39, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
    My pleasure. If you need any help, just ask. AmericanAir88(talk) 15:40, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of UnbeliefEdit


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Do justices benefit the Wikipedia:The 50,000 Challenge?Edit


As we create various justice articles for the states, I realized that our contributions may contribute to the 50,000 challenge. Do you think they apply or not?

AmericanAir88(talk) 14:06, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, every single one of them. They are public figures in state government in the United States; many of them also turn out to have other importance to the country. bd2412 T 14:31, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Ok, you have created a ton so I guess this means we have to start adding the ones moved from draft. I added the one from yesterday. AmericanAir88(talk) 15:02, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
@AmericanAir88: The Texas justices should be quick to work through, as the state has an informative database on them. I have added links to the drafts. bd2412 T 20:46, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Will get right on it. Good work. AmericanAir88(talk) 16:05, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Drum stick RM close and WP:THREEOUTCOMESEdit

Hey there, regarding your close of the RM at Talk:Drum_stick#Requested_move_26_June_2019 I have the same question that I posed earlier about your close of the Garlic mustard RM: isn't this a case of "no consensus" rather than "consensus to not move"? A raw headcount gives 5 users supporting the move (including nominator), and 3 users opposing (1 of whom supported a move to a different name instead). Based on your closing comment ("There is a clear absence of consensus to move at this time."), it seems like we're actually on roughly the same page on this and writing Not moved rather than No consensus was just an oversight? (Though with 6 users supporting a move and 2 against, I think even "clear absence of consensus to move" is overstating the case a bit. I'd be inclined to read the situation as there being a rough consensus that the page should be moved, but lack of clear consensus around which title to move it to.) Colin M (talk) 17:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

  • I probably should have mentioned in the close that I gave no weight to the !vote of User:John Alstyn, whose participation in this discussion is his only edit to Wikipedia. The nominator was also a relatively low-edit account. As for the other proposed move targets, I would prefer to see a separate process clearly proposing one of those. bd2412 T 17:10, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Okay, but that would make 3 or 4 valid supports and 3 opposes. That still seems far from "Consensus to not move", no? Colin M (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
      • I didn't say there was a "consensus to not move". I said there was an absence of consensus, which there is. Absent consensus, the status quo ante remains. Another discussion with a more widely agreeable title might have a different outcome. bd2412 T 20:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
        • My issue was with the bolded part of your close: Not moved. My understanding per WP:THREEOUTCOMES is that this indicates consensus not to move, and that the absence of consensus would be indicated with a bold No consensus. Is that not right? Colin M (talk) 20:53, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
          • We have discussed this before. There is no practical difference between them; they do not create any kind of precedent or bind any future outcomes. My explanation of the close clearly states that there is an absence of consensus. bd2412 T 20:55, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
            • Then why isn't that guideline called WP:TWOOUTCOMES? It seems like there is a practical difference in that one of them creates prejudice against future RMs. "Not moved" notifies other editors that they should probably not propose this move in the future until and unless circumstances change vs. it is not considered bad form to re-raise a request that found "no consensus". Sure, readers might be able to read your close message and infer "He wrote not moved but he really meant no consensus", but why not edit the bolded part so there's no contradiction? Colin M (talk) 21:10, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
              • Fine. bd2412 T 21:13, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
                • Thanks. Sorry if it seems like I'm pettifogging. The main reason I asked about this is that I hope to start closing some RMs myself eventually, and so I'm interested in calibrating my understanding of the process, particularly how consensus is judged. Colin M (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
                  • I suppose I should appreciate you keeping me on my toes. Let me know if you need any assistance when you elevate your game to closing RMs. bd2412 T 03:14, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

David LiebermanEdit

Hi, can you please revert your closure of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 July 7#David Lieberman, keeping the disambiguation as a draft below the redirect? I don't think it's appropriate to close it with a delete !vote outstanding and the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC question unresolved. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 23:09, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Very well. bd2412 T 23:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I have reversed the close for further discussion; I see no reason to change the page back to an obviously incorrect redirect for the duration of it, however. Either it will remain as a disambiguation page, or will point to a specific target, but it will not go back to pointing to the surname page. bd2412 T 23:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Que Sera SeraEdit

BD, I closed as not moved at Talk:Que_Sera,_Sera_(Whatever_Will_Be,_Will_Be)#Requested_move_11_June_2019. Let me know if you object, in which case I will quickly revert myself. As a further point of info, sources that discuss this point usually use grave accent, not acute; even the page with the album cover you showed did that; see this discussion. I have no opinion on what the "truth" is here, but it's fascinating. Hope I've helped. Dicklyon (talk) 03:22, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

You closed it correctly based on the direction of the discussion. bd2412 T 03:23, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

User rightsEdit

Hi. Can I ask why you did this? Other than EFM, those user groups are included in your admin status... Just wonder. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Basically, I was curious to see whether it would change anything in my interface. It didn't. bd2412 T 03:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
    @BD2412: okay, just wondering - thanks for explaining --DannyS712 (talk) 03:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Nashville Brewing Company logo.pngEdit


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  • Resolved, thanks. bd2412 T 02:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Typo TeamEdit

Please delete the entries listed on Wikipedia:Typo_Team/moss/R and other similar pages as you do them, or as you complete sections on these pages. I'm finding many that you've done, but have not deleted from this page. It's a waste of time to be checking and going to pages that have already had their typos fixed. Thanks.


Ira Leviton (talk) 18:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

  • @Ira Leviton: Would it be possible to regenerate the list after I have run through the batch to make common fixes? It's a bigger waste of time to have to edit the project page after every fix, particularly if the primary goal is to fix the errors themselves. bd2412 T 22:08, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't think so. You can ask User:Beland, who created the page. But I suggest go through a random section, or two or three, depending how much time you have, and then deleting all the entries when you're done. That way, you eliminate 20 to 100 typos and there's only one edit to the project page to add. (I mark down any that I can't fix, or things that should be left alone like species names, and put explanations for those, or you can leave them on the page). But leaving everything on the page is frustrating to others who work on the project.
Ira Leviton (talk) 22:18, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Deletion review for List of countries by population (United Nations)Edit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of countries by population (United Nations). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Cobblet (talk) 19:44, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Freddy, My LoveEdit

I have a couple of points to raise regarding this article:

  1. While one critic said that the song was a revamped version of "Eddie My Love" (see [1]), and I agree that the song seems to have taken inspiration from "Eddie My Love", I wouldn't want to characterize the song as derived from the earlier song; the songs don't resemble each other in lyrics or melody.
  2. "Freddy, My Love" was not originally recorded by Cindy Bullens for the 1978 movie soundtrack; it appeared on the original Broadway cast album in 1972, so, presumably, Katie Hanley did the first recording, although I haven't been able to find that specifically stated. (Hanley played Marty in the original Broadway cast, and Marty sings the song, so that's a fairly safe bet but I can't guarantee it.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

"Est, Maria" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Est, Maria. Since you had some involvement with the Est, Maria redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. —Ketil Trout (<><!) 21:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Speedily deleted as an error on my part. Cheers! bd2412 T 22:57, 2 August 2019 (UTC)


Hi BD2412,

Can you delete these subpages of Portal:Golf [2]? Thanks. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 05:38, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

fixing closed DYK templatesEdit

re: this fix - that (and similar cases) is a closed archive, and I wonder what the dab fixing helps, as it's of no consequence. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

It is not of no consequence. Disambiguation pages accumulate erroneous links in various namespaces, and these errors must be checked and fixed. Disambiguation links in template space are usually even more pernicious, because they can propagate to any space in which the template transcludes, and will show up as appearing on in articles containing templates without being fixable by editing the article. Therefore, these must be fixed to avoid the general problem of creating false positives for what is usually the worst namespace for disambiguation links. If I'm not the one fixing the link, someone else engaged in the same task will eventually come along and do it, because the indication of an error will persist until it is fixed. Obviously, there is no need to maintain these errors in template space (even in closed discussions that happen to be in a space not designed to usually be occupied by discussions). bd2412 T 22:40, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
All fine, but the "templates" for DYK nominations are no true templates - and it has been discussed if they shouldn't be formatted differently. They will never be included in articles, - they only come and go on the page of nominations, approved nominations, and article talk pages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Whether they are true templates or not, they are in template space, and therefore will take up space on the "What links here" page when editors are trying to clear disambiguation pages of incoming links. The nuisance this represents can be abated either by conforming the links to WP:INTDABLINK (presuming you actually intend to link to the disambiguation page, which would usually be the wrong link), or to actually point the link to the page intended. bd2412 T 00:59, 8 August 2019 (UTC)


Greetings BD2412! I mentioned you on User talk: Paine Ellsworth#Viacom but the ping failed because I spelled your name "bd2412", so here's a more personal notification. Enjoy! — JFG talk 00:32, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Resolved. bd2412 T 00:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

"Malik, Abdul" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Malik, Abdul. Since you had some involvement with the Malik, Abdul redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 13:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Resolved. bd2412 T 00:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Nicholas EmeryEdit

  Hello! Your submission of Nicholas Emery at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:49, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

BD2412, I wasn't sure whether you'd be interesting in addressing the issues that came up during this DYK review, since you weren't the nominator. I have added a DYKmake credit for you, since your contributions are included in the article combining your draft and Alphalfalfa's, and since the latter hasn't been on Wikipedia for a while and hasn't responded to the review of two weeks ago, you may be the only person who could get the nomination through. Thanks for considering it. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:49, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I think it's going fine as it is now. bd2412 T 23:46, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Discussion about DS notice on Talk:Hillary ClintonEdit

Since I forgot to ping you, I might as well mention this here, though I imagine you've watch-listed the page. Understandably, you may think that I am looking for drama. I am not. I waited until after the page had dropped from its main-page promotion a few days ago to make my one sentence addition, as I suspected it would be fought tooth and nail. More than one editor argued to keep this information out of en.wp entirely back in 2016. As such, I am aware that the treatment of this issue is a long-standing problem. I had never edited the biography page (proof) for precisely this reason: I did not want to politicize the question. However, we are well past political time and into encyclopedic time now... 🌿 SashiRolls t · c 08:04, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

This appears to be resolved for the time being. bd2412 T 23:50, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

"Residences" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Residences. Since you had some involvement with the Residences redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 23:26, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I have responded in the discussion. bd2412 T 23:56, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!Edit

  Thanks for supported my recent, albeit unsuccessful RfA. Your support was greatly appreciated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:52, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
It was my pleasure, and I wish you the best! bd2412 T 23:36, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

"Mental health of Donald Trump" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Mental health of Donald Trump. Since you had some involvement with the Mental health of Donald Trump redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. ―Mandruss  01:13, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Nicholas EmeryEdit

 On 30 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nicholas Emery, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Nicholas Emery tried to negotiate the sale of Maine's northern territory to the American government for one million acres (4,000 km2) of the Michigan Territory? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nicholas Emery. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Nicholas Emery), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 12:03, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the notice. bd2412 T 12:10, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Sour GrapesEdit


Hello, BD2412. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Sour Grapes".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! JMHamo (talk) 22:00, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the notice. bd2412 T 22:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019Edit

Hello BD2412,


Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.


A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.

This month's refresher course

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.

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Well, this is unexpected. bd2412 T 00:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Notice of redirect discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussionEdit

"NETANYAHU, YONATAN" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect NETANYAHU, YONATAN. Since you had some involvement with the NETANYAHU, YONATAN redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Carnby (talk) 16:30, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

List of dramatic television series with LGBT charactersEdit

Fyi: re Page size. Pyxis Solitary (yak) 03:04, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

  • I have no particular insight into this issue. bd2412 T 03:07, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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