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Excellent, thanks! BD2412 T 19:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jay S. Parker has been acceptedEdit

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KylieTastic (talk) 15:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

SturgeonEdit

Here's something to think about...Wikipedia staying on the cutting edge as the sum of all knowledge. - the article, Sturgeon - What if I donated the following segment to the project for inclusion in that article? 4:00 - 7:10?? And possibly close it with another clip (54:00 - 56:00) before the credits roll? I've mentioned the use of video in various discussions over the years but never pushed it because some of the trial articles would include my contributions of clips from programs I produced back in the 90s. I don't want the focus to change from the benefits of having video integrated into our articles to potential COI discussions about me, if you know what I mean. Anyway, see how Everipedia is utilizing video in their articles. The difference in our situation is that the videos would be hosted with our article instead of sending readers off-site to YouTube. Atsme Talk 📧 20:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The Bill Murray part? BD2412 T 21:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, leading in from Bob to Bill. It's a 3 min clip from a one-hour program. I'd be giving away (donating) about $7k worth of footage to WP.   Atsme Talk 📧 22:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I would think that the segment after Bill Murray from 7:11 up to about 9:48, discussing the kinds of sturgeon and their characteristics, would be more apt for the article. Bill Murray is a bit flip, and talks about some non-sturgeony things. Did I ever tell you that I made a proposal at Wikimania about five years ago that Wikimedia should get into the business of collaborative documentary filmmaking? It hasn't been followed up on, sadly. BD2412 T 22:49, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
No, you didn't. Was it a formal proposal? Atsme Talk 📧 23:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I gave a talk on it. The reception was very mixed, but basically I said that we have people within the community who are able to find or make all the pieces that would go together to make a documentary on just about any natural history topic. All we need is a collaborative video editing platform. BD2412 T 23:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, next chance we get, let's put our heads together and make them an offer they can't refuse...especially considering the technology we have available to us today. At least Alexa reads the lead, which is why we need to be extra careful that our leads closely adhere to BLP policy & NPOV. Atsme Talk 📧 23:45, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I do like a challenge. Sometimes the only way to prove to the doubters that a thing can be done is to buckle down and actually do it. That, incidentally, is how I came to write the article on Size, because other editors thought that the topic was so abstract that it couldn't be done. I couldn't pass that up. BD2412 T 04:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Ars novaEdit

BD2412, not sure what to do here. I want to split the Template:Ars nova into two seperate templates of "Ars nova" and "ars subtilior" since at the moment it contains both for some reason. At the moment Template:Ars subtilior simply redirects to the Template:Ars nova so... do I nominate the redirect to be deleted (is that even a thing?) and make the template... or put up the split for discussion somewhere? (WP:TDF seems to only be for deletion and merging but I could be wrong) I doubt the split would result in any opposition since Ars nova and Ars subtilior are separate articles and movements. Also, I'm glad to see you're continuing to watch the Isleworth page (and editing it too!), the previous conversation did admittedly get a little hostile, but I'd like to think we all resolved it to some extent... Best - Aza24 (talk) 22:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I went ahead and split the template out. Let me know what you think. As for the Isleworth, I am still knocking that around the back of my mind. I am not a fan of Wikipedia appearing to take sides in authorship disputes, and prefer the "teach the controversy" approach where we merely point out what arguments and counterarguments are made by who, and let the reader draw their own conclusions from that data. BD2412 T 23:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the split, I tweaked it a little but it looks good. Normally I would be with you on your view of how to present controversial topics, but the fact that this is a Leonardo makes things more tricky. That is to say, in preparation for gradually working on the Leonardo da Vinci article (to eventually reach FA, hopefully...) I've been collecting more sources and they all address many paintings by Leonardo or those attributed to him. The issue with the Isleworth is that not a single one of these sources even addresses (a couple mention it in passing) it's potentiality as an authentic Leonardo. Some of the books are the opinions of scholars and others, like Zollner and Marani attempt to display the art community's current consensuses on individual works. Controversial works like La Bella Principessa and Bacchus that have sometimes been attributed to Leonardo are discussed by these authors, but with far more attention and consideration than the Isleworth. That's the core of the issue, no leading Leonardo scholars even play with the idea that it's authentic (or partly), and the people who do push its authenticity the most are past owners of the painting or an organization that was literally founded to prove its authenticity (they weren't even founded to "investigate" or "consider" the authenticity, it was simply to prove it...). The other issue is that online sources are equally unreliable, I've seen some claim that "most experts are skeptical" and others that "the vast majority of experts agree with a partial attribution" but who are these experts? I just can't fathom how I have books by the world's leading Leonardo experts but none of them even explore the attribution as a possibility, so how can there be even close to a majority that supports the attribution? The shady (alleged) connections between the foundation and owners of the painting is also troubling. I hope I'm not just repeating to you parts of the conversation from the talk page since this message (imo) better explains the issue as a whole. Aza24 (talk) 04:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
It's a fascinating topic, but likely a conversation for another day, as my attention is primarily on other projects at the moment. I certainly think that in such cases, it is worth lining up the the identities of the people who argue one side, and those who argue the other side, and note their asserted qualifications and affiliations. Of course, with scientific disputes (is the Earth flat, do vaccines cause autism), it is also possible to bring in scientific studies and replicability of experiments, which makes these things more clear-cut. I'm glad the template split worked out. Cheers! BD2412 T 05:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

G-LogEdit

BD2412: I just noticed that the page G-Log was deleted last year after a formal nomination process. I believe this company still to be relevant, because it had a notable product as recognised by Gartner. In the Magic Quadrant for Transportation Management System, 13 April 2010, by C. Dwight Klappich (Gartner RAS Core Research Note G00174077), the following was mentioned: “OTM has a mature and stable product development team that Oracle inherited when it acquired G-Log. Oracle has impressively been able to keep this team intact and add to it four years after the acquisition”. If you need more information or evidence to justify re-opening the page, let me know what you’re after. Thanks - Landriesse (talk) 20:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I have restored the article to Draft:G-Log, but it will need substantial improvement to meet WP:NCORP. BD2412 T 20:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks I will collect materials with the founders, Landriesse (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Make sure you find sources that meet WP:RS and WP:NCORP. BD2412 T 14:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Ok, we'll do. Would the page Manugistics be an example showing the requested improvements? Landriesse (talk) 23:34, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Actually, the sourcing for that one is rather awful, and I have therefore nominated the article for deletion. A better model would be something like Abacus Data Systems. BD2412 T 23:45, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Ali Mahmoud Al SuleimanEdit

Hi, How are you ? They banned me from editing and even in discussion they ignore your words I hope you restore this page Why this injustice that they are doing on me!? Wikipedia is not property of anyone This is a shame for them No Name Any More (talk) 11:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

  • You have abused my trust and violated Wikipedia's terms of service, and I have blocked you for it. BD2412 T 14:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Invite to discussEdit

I am not sure if you are an expert on geography and / or navboxes. Though as an an respected admin and colleague of some interested projects I welcome more opinions on professional editors here if you don't mind. On a personal note I also thank you for for all the adaptation of superhero work. Finally one on Hugh's Logan I see. Nice! Jhenderson 777 18:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I have commented in the discussion. BD2412 T 04:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

DeletionEdit

Why did you delete the Luca film page? EverestMachine 4001 (talk) 03:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Wissam Al ManaEdit

Why did you delete the page for Wissam Al Mana? He's one of the wealthiest businessmen in the Middle East who was married to Janet Jackson. Wikipro43245 (talk) 04:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Eilean Glas (disambiguation)Edit

 

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  •   Done. Cheers! BD2412 T 14:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Deletion review for Wissam Al ManaEdit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wissam Al Mana. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Wikipro43245 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, I have commented there in favor of refunding to draft, given the circumstances. BD2412 T 17:03, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Smith (DJ)Edit

Please revert your supervote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Smith (DJ). No one suggested draftification, and I don't see anyone volunteering to improve it and restore it to mainspace. Draftification is not a backdoor route to deletion, especially when there is a consensus to keep the article. – bradv🍁 02:20, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

There are no secondary sources in the article, and no immediate indication that secondary sources are available. The subject, as such, does not meet the GNG no matter how many "keep" votes there are. Thus, the only plausible outcome other than deletion, for which there is, as you point out, an absence of consensus, is to move the article to draft space until such time as sources develop or are located. Of course, I could go through the motions of closing the discussion as delete and then self-refunding to draft, or closing it as keep and then speedying it to draft, but that would merely be an exercise in bureaucracy. BD2412 T 02:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
So your reasoning for ignoring consensus is that you could just go through the motions and then ignore consensus anyway? – bradv🍁 02:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm being less than charitable. But this is not the job of the closer – if this is how you felt about the article you would have been better off as a participant in the discussion rather than a closer. I'll take it to DRV to get more input. – bradv🍁 02:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Closing discussions is not an exercise in counting heads, but in weighing policy-based arguments, of which none were valid here. Yes, editors nakedly invoked the GNG, and stated that references in the article sufficed, but this is objectively untrue since there are clearly no secondary sources in the article. BD2412 T 02:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Deletion review for Tim Smith (DJ)Edit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Tim Smith (DJ). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. – bradv🍁 02:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  • I have commented there. BD2412 T 17:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Bruce Wayne (1989 film series character)Edit

You might want this in your watchlist. Some editors feel it belongs, others don't. A possible discussion might arise in it. Anyways I reverted to it back as an article because I think it has potential. Jhenderson 777 11:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  • Watching it. BD2412 T 17:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Eisenhower family treeEdit

Hello, BD2412,

I was looking at Susan Eisenhower's bio because there was a question about her children. According to the sources, she does have three daughters but only one is listed in the family tree. Two additional names were added to the infobox of a previous revision of the page but I can not verify them. I'm not sure how to edit a family tree...is there a way to include 2 additional children without being able to confirm their names or dates of birth? Liz Read! Talk! 18:30, 13 August 2020 (UTC)