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If Enwiki Could Shut Down or do anything else to Support the Protest in Hong Kong?Edit

Since "The Fugitive Offenders and Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Legislation (Amendment) Bill" in Hong Kong submitted to Legislative Council (LegCo) without listening to the views of the public, I am here asking if the community in Enwiki to do anything to support Hong Kong. It will be a great help and attractable for global media.

Since the unexpected asking, I would like to ask if Wikipedia could be shut down for an hour, or longer if could. If it is impossible, could enwiki have any method else to give Hong Kong people a supportive message?

For people who don't know what the Bill is, let me do a brief please:

This Bill was submitted through the Hong Kong citizen murder case happened in Taiwan (Republic of China, ROC), both of the character are Hong Kong people, and try to extradite the murderer to Taiwan. I used to be a great idea until the LegCo parliamentary found out that it also makes China (People's Republic of China, PRC, or mainland) extradition possible without any human right protection or mainland judicial independence. Any people against PRC government may be prosecuted and extradited, since LegCo was removed from the ordinance of extradition review, and Hong Kong's Court was announced they cannot protect the extradited person's human rights in the other countries.

Any Hong Kong Wikipedia Editors May Be Extradited If the Bill Adopted.

For the Statement made by Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong, please click here.

For more professional points of view, please read the following document made by Hong Kong Bar Association:

--だ*ぜ (talk) 15:52, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I do not think this wiki community will be receptive to your request. Where we have lobbied before, it was directly pertinent to values important to Wikipedia but only after great internal discussion. The protests in Hong Kong are not particularly pertinent. There are likely organizations who would be more receptive, but this is not one of them. --Izno (talk) 16:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I believe the Italian Wiipedia protested against a proposed law which didnt technically affect the site, but could have exposed the users in Italy to legal issues if they contributed. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
EN.WP is not IT.WP. Feel free to research how difficult it was for the wiki to get behind a blackout for SOPA. I'm fairly certain we've had no other community-initiated effort. --Izno (talk) 23:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
It is true that relatively few HK editors are primarily on EN, and few EN editors are from HK. On ITwiki the vast majority are from Italy, so ITwiki would be affected more severely. However I believe an unqualified xxwiki is not yywiki us not the greatest argument; each wiki should consider what happens on other wikis and learn from them. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:05, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • No... one of our core policies is that we maintain a NEUTRAL point of view. We should not take ANY stand on outside political issues. Blueboar (talk) 21:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Indeed Wikipedia is to not advocate for a particular political philosophy or ideology; we should not endorse a particular political movement. At the same time the foundation itself criticized the block on English Wikipedia in the Mainland. Based on what the foundation itself has posted, NPOV doesnt mean that a project cannot advocate for its own survival in a given country or territory. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I think the best we can do is to provide an informative and well-documented article, currently featured on our Main Page. – Teratix 00:17, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • The only reason we should shut down/blackout is to protest laws and bills which pose an existential threat to Wikipedia. The Hong Kong bill does not. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Bori! 00:18, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia is not a platform for political campaigns. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • As Jéské says - our shutdowns (or whatever) exist to protect Wikipedia and our other projects. As well as breaking our Neutrality requirements if we acted otherwise, a more pragmatic approach would say we'd never be normal if we acted against every immoral law (which this is) - I do rely more on the first argument as "Perfection is the enemy of Good" applies. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
    I understand that it wouldn't make sense to go after every immoral law. Instead the phrasing/focus could be specifically on access to Wikipedia and ability to contribute to it instead of on a political movement itself: "We don't want X law to be used to punish Wikipedians / prevent them from contributing" WhisperToMe (talk) 10:53, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • A shutdown is probably too much, the extradition bill is not in direct contradiction to wikipedia core values let alone existential threat. If we're going to shut down like that, soon enough we won't be opening. However, a shutdown specifically target for users access from HK should be ok. I'm not sure if it's technically possible though. Viztor (talk) 18:25, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
    • It is possible to give site notices based on IP address. One factor is that most Hong Kongers use the Chinese Wikipedia more often. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:44, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
  • No political advocacy without existential threat. Wikipedia should neither advocate against nor in favor of this bill. --Yair rand (talk) 06:53, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

removing rfc templateEdit

Hello to you at gathered at the village pump. The request for comment I posted on the talk page of the New Albion elicited no responses. So I made certain changes to the article. As such, I do believe it is proper to remove the rfc template; however, the instructions are a little vague as to how this should be done. My inclination is to edit the talk page by deleting the template (which is encapsulated within brackets at the top of the page) and then note my actions with a comment. Is this correct? If not, what should I consider? Kind regards to all. Hu Nhu (talk) 23:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: - I'm not sure of the answer, this may be more suited as a question at the WP:HELPDESK Nosebagbear (talk) 13:13, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
@Nosebagbear: Thanks very much. I'll contact them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hu Nhu (talkcontribs) 03:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


Do we know anything about It seems to be a mirror of several major non-English Wikipedias (including French)... is it complying? Should we have an article on it here? There isn't one at fr.wikipedia as far as I can see. Andrewa (talk) 01:38, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

RfC on religionEdit

There is an RfC in progress that has the potential to affect how religion is treated in the infoboxes of many country articles, I urge all to participate in the discussion which is at Talk:Australia#RfC dated 23 June 2019 - Should religion be removed from the infobox?. --AussieLegend () 21:36, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Notification for a SurveyEdit

The Wikimedia Foundation Research team is planning to run a follow-up survey of Wikipedia readers. You can read more about the first two parts of the study in the meta page linked below or in the following two papers: and We expect no disruptions in the workflow of editors during this study. The survey will ask readers about their motivation for reading as well as a few demographic questions (age, gender, education, place, native language). The survey aims to improve our understanding of the diversity of readers as well as how the needs and experience of Wikipedia readers varies across different populations. We plan to run the survey for a week starting on 2019-06-26. It will sample 1 out of every 100 readers worldwide and 1 out of every 2 readers from countries in Africa (to have a large enough sample in all regions). For questions, feel free to ping Isaac (WMF) or leave a comment on the meta page. Thank you! --Isaac (WMF) (talk) 13:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)