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Yazidi or YazidisEdit

I'm puzzled by the plural title of Yazidis but don't want to reinvent the wheel. The article was moved to the plural

19:31, 28 August 2014‎ DrKay talk contribs block‎  37 bytes +37‎  DrKiernan moved page Yazidi to Yazidis: requested move

but I cannot find the RM in question, I have looked but maybe best not to say exactly where in case I'm missing it.

A second pair of eyes would be appreciated. TIA Andrewa (talk) 06:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

@Andrewa: Talk:Yazidis/Archive 2#Name change proposal DannyS712 (talk) 06:45, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Awesome, I was looking for the heading! Thanks. Andrewa (talk) 07:53, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Finnish PD Gov fileEdit

Hey all. File:Squadron2020 rendering.jpg is currently used as a free use file. However, as I see it, it would fall under Template:PD-FinlandGov, as it is a part of a statement of a public body. What do you guys think, could it be moved to Commons? There's some talk around PD-FinlandGov on Commons, but I couldn't find anything relevant. (talk) 13:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kissa21782: In general, when these types of laws reference things like "decisions or statements" they're usually talking about things like court decisions and statements by executive or legislative bodies. The status of photographs is usually covered in laws regarding works of art, or in laws specifically pertaining to still images (as opposed to things like audio recordings or motion pictures).
Without further information, it's probably too much to assume that this is covered under "decisions or statements". GMGtalk 13:15, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Right. But see this Commons talk page, it's not quite that black and white. Lots of similar cases kept. Kissa21782 (talk) 15:10, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Gee fizz is that a confusing discussion. I guess the question then is, does a website count as a "decision or statement" in the sense that any media contained therein would qualify as PD by virtue of being published in a qualifying "document". GMGtalk 15:48, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, the whole topic is very confusing and mostly annoying legal semantics. I just don't know what would be the right place for me to start this discussion again, to maybe try and get a community consensus of some sort, I just picked this Pump subsection because the file is in en-wiki. Somewhere in Commons discussions probably... Kissa21782 (talk) 21:33, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
@Kissa21782 and GreenMeansGo: I took a look at a law book in the library today and here's what it said: "decisions or statements" means both texts and images. "Government" means those institutions covered by Julkisuuslaki [fi]. "Independent work" means whether the photo was originally made to be an annex to the official document or something else. Source: Harenko, Kristiina (2016). Tekijänoikeus (2nd ed.). Talentum Pro. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 16:38, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Ah ha. A wild Finish speak appears. Thanks for looking into it Finnusertop. That's quite odd indeed. I've never seen proxy public domain for government works, where photographs taken by a government employee would not be public domain in-and-of-themselves, unless they are "pulled" into the public domain by appearing in an official document. GMGtalk 12:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

First images from the UNESCO archives now on CommonsEdit

Dear all

C:Category:Media files produced by UNESCO: 2019-09

I’m very pleased to say that the first batch of 100 very high resolution photos (plus descriptions) from the UNESCO archives has been uploaded to Commons by our friends at Wikimedia Sweden. There are some amazing photos in this first batch including Italian National Archives material being washed and dried in a train station after a flood, and the installation of a Henry Moore sculpture. We would really appreciate it if you could take 5 minutes to add some to Wikipedia articles, Wikidata items etc so that UNESCO will be encouraged to make more images available.

C:Category:Media files produced by UNESCO: 2019-09

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 18:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Nice. I look forward to seeing some of these at WP:FPC. MER-C 12:38, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Huzzah, very nice! KillerChihuahua 13:28, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


I'm curious. Why are Category:Queen's Counsel and subcat names not plural? They are sets of people.--Roy17 (talk) 13:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

@Roy17: When used in this sense, "Counsel" is its own plural. See wikt:counsel. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:21, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I searched sels within the article and that confused me. Looks like people commonly use the other plural form without knowing this.--Roy17 (talk) 13:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Financial Times unpaywalledEdit

For the next ~24 hours the Financial Times has dropped its paywall. A great opportunity for Wikimedians needing to check sources (or submit them to the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine)! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:37, 17 September 2019 (UTC)