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Why do you erase my edition? アステール王子 (talk) 03:16, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Who says she's famous for being a purely female line ancestor of Queen Victoria? This is not a notable fact about her. Or do you have a source that says it is? Srnec (talk) 03:24, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, “famous“ was an inadequate expression, but she is a “purely“ female line ancestor of all of these big names, Queen Victoria, Wilhelm II, Edward VII, Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, last Queen consort Alexandra and last crown prince Alexei of Russian Empire, Victoria Eugenie, Queen consort of Spain, Ernest Louis of Hesse and by Rhine. I think this is very important fact about hirtory and her. アステール王子 (talk) 04:01, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

But what you think is an important fact is not necessarily what Wikipedia presents as an important fact. Why is lineal descent in the female line of any significance at all? Do any authors say it is? Does any author make the Garsenda–Victoria connection? We need reliable sources, not your own research. —Srnec (talk) 05:34, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

OK.I understood. Sorry. アステール王子 (talk) 03:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

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Carloman of bavariaEdit

Hey mate,

I replied to your comment on the talk page of “Carloman of Bavaria”. Would like to get your thoughts on it. Thanks PrinceofFrancia (talk) 02:25, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Khalfun was least likely BerberEdit

"Kalfün (Khalfun) was probably of Berber stock", please do research on the Berber role in Sicily.

The Arab dynasty depended on the Berbers heavily and dealt directly with Berber Chiefs & they kept them scattered in frontier towns to avoid revolts, the Berbers in Sicily were Muslim & in alliance with the Dynasty. Inside Palermo lived the Arab minority, protected by Slave soldiers (Serb-Croat), the Berbers were not allowed to amass that close to the palace & commercial centers. In the weaker later stages of the Emirate, Local Berber lords waged their own wars and enslaved Byzantine Siculos (Culturally Greek Christians). Those slaves started appearing in record a few decades after the fall of Bari (mainly sold in North Africa). The Slavic stock in Sicily was probably loyal to the Byzantine faction that invited the Aghlabids over. Aghlabids typical to other Arab dynasties had a large stock of African concubines, they assigned the children of concubines tribal names, Khalfun is mentioned as part of Rabia, making him more than likely the offspring of an African concubine. Mifraq (could possibly be a Slavic soldier slave from Palermo, because he was not addressed with any tribal name by historians who mention his attempts to get recognition as Wali and he might served in the same capacity prior to taking over), Sawdan is the offspring of a Kalbid Arab, unlike Khalfun his tribal name associates him with the competing Kalbids, who later allied with the North African Fatimids. Concubine offspring was the dominant type in the Arab dynasties in Sicily, the early offspring was largely African (Nubian, Ethiopian & more southern Subsaharans), taking Siculo slaves was much more dominant in the later stages of the conquest, Bari is a by-product of the early stage of the conquest. Droveaxle (talk) 06:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Khalfun is described as al-Barbari by Baladuri. In Marco Di Branco's words: "era certamente di stirpe berbera". What are your sources? Srnec (talk) 00:20, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Greeks & Arabs also called Somalis, Darfur & big parts of Sahel as Berber, it wasn't until the 11th century when slave trade started specifying Zanj as the heavier stock Subsaharans, until recent times Somalis and Fur people (Darfur) were called Berber. Hence Berbera in the horn of Africa is still called as such, legacy of Greek & Arab historians who assigned that term (Somali, Sahel & North African Berber). Berber in general were not Slave stock, except Sahel where early trade took in slaves from that region. Zanj later meant Bantu, but at that time it could have included the Africans of Nubia-Chad as it was new lands to recently arrived Arabian Aghlabids.

The Kitama berber (who were involved heavily in Sicily), along with Kalbid Arabs & Greek Siculo slaves played a major role fighting the Aghlabids in Sicily, Tunisia & eventually establishing the Fatimid caliph, Cairo was taken by an army led by a Sicilian Greek Slave, but that era is two centuries after Bari. By then the slave stock became largely Greek-Siculo, the Kitama tribes were the Berber stock from the highlands west of the Tunisian lowlands domianted by the Aghlabids & other Arabs. Those Kitama berber are what we still call Berber today, they entered sicily as an Army along Aghlabids & later changed alliance to Fatmids & eventually expelled out of Sicily via a local Arab-Siculo-Saqaliba alliance.

Decide whats the proper word to use, for now I left it as African, it should not be Saracen, Arab or Berber as those words mean something else today, also Zanj of Aghlabid times (Sahel African-Nubians), is not the same Zanj of the later slave trade era, (more Bantu). Most the material written about Bari in later times are either religious church mentions or later Muslim accounts both with time specific agendas, not exactly accurate. Droveaxle (talk) 09:16, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Droveaxle: I understand what you are saying, but you will have to cite some sources to change the page, since reliable sources have been provided for "Berber". What are your sources for the ethnic composition of the Islamic armies operating in Sicily and southern Italy? Srnec (talk) 15:35, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

HREEdit

I'll need some backup on Talk:Holy Roman Empire. Polish nationalist are a kind of people really hard to explain the truth to.Ernio48 (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018Edit

 
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Kingdom of Germany infoboxEdit

Please don't revert my editation, which I added infobox into the article, and than you removed. Kingdom of Germany is one of the three kingdoms (latin Tria Regna), which were parts of the early medieval Holy Roman Empire. Kingdom of Italy and Kingdom of Arles (Burgundy) are have also own infoboxes, Germany was the only one that did not, and it is that reason, why I added infobox to Germany, although the informations there are very similar as Holy Roman Empire, but it is not without purpose. If you find and declare, that some informations there are untrue, please delete them or change, it is a better way by my point of view. Dragovit (talk) 08:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

There is no consensus for that article to have an infobox, as is clear from the edit history and the talk page. The page is watched, so you could bring it up again on the talk page and see where it goes. Srnec (talk) 15:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol?Edit

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I've recently been looking for editors to invite to join New Page Patrol, and from your editing history, I think you would be a good candidate. Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; we could use some additional help from an experienced user like yourself.

Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? (After gaining the flag, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. If you choose to apply, you can drop an application over at WP:PERM/NPR.

Cheers, and hope to see you around, — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 12:53, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorryEdit

Hello. I genuinely had no idea there was no such page in that book. To my shame, I didn't check to verify. Just found it in another article and took it for granted. I feel quite embarrassed now. Again, sorry for the bother. Torpilorul (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Alfonso VIEdit

Hi Srnec, I just noticed these changes in the article on Alfonso VI of León and Castile. In the second paragraph a "why" re Reilly's statement about his age when he died. In the third paragraph a "how" re the charter signed by all the children except Elvira as mentioned by the source used, Sánchez Candeira (he does not elaborate, just says that they signed the document...even if they were too young to sign, this was common practice at that time and almost newborns appear confirming charters). How do I respond to the second one? I can't answer for the first since I don't have Reilly's work. Regards, --Maragm (talk) 05:16, 21 June 2018 (UTC) (just think that those paragraphs are very well referenced and it's a shame to have those templates).

I'm not really sure why Reilly (and Salvador Martínez) have the Crónica de Sahagún saying "setenta y dos" where it clearly says "sesenta y dos" (at least in the Puyol edition). Salvador Martínez even quotes it at length (with setenta). Perhaps there is a reason. I have for now put it in a note.
I think the "how" was just about what action "confirm" entailed. I have replaced the word with "signed". Srnec (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of ƢalibEdit

 

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Siegfried of BallenstedtEdit

Hello Srnec. I performed the technical move that you requested. Now that it's done, could you check the Wikidata entry to see if it looks right to you? I am not sure that all the different Wikipedias are linking to the same person. Is this guy the same as the Pfalzgraf von Lothringen? The entry in Neue Deutsche Biographie is cited, but the body of this article doesn't mention Lothringen. The German Wikipedia calls this guy de:Siegfried I. (Weimar-Orlamünde). On the German Wikipedia, the succession boxes appear to be more complete. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:40, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, EdJohnston. Yes, the links look correct. Our article says "count palatine of the Rhineland" (the German says Pfalzgraf bei Rhein), but some sources call the county Lotharingia (Lothringen). Same thing. I made Siegfried I of Weimar-Orlamünde a redirect already. Srnec (talk) 21:41, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

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Omani EmpireEdit

As it stands it's a copyright violation, containing so far as I can see only unattributed material from other articles. The edit summary "remove redirect" doesn't seem quite accurate, as the editor also added all the current content. Any merger requires sorting out the copying within Wikipedia issue. Doug Weller talk 10:11, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

I wanted to revert, but the original redirect target was wrong (the 'Omani Empire' certainly doesn't begin in 1820 and last until 1970) and the alternative target, Sultanate of Muscat, was a stub. That's the only reason I left it as is and just put a tag on it. What articles is the text from? Srnec (talk) 16:10, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
Apologies, I'm not watching your page. Oh hell, take a look at this edit. He left the source as Beck, which is here but replaced the text with copyright material from here. The new text isn't in Beck at all. Doesn't make me trust the editor. Earwig shows more.[1] Doug Weller talk 12:49, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps I should have pinged you. Anyways, it seems that the material has been removed. Still, there is a major problem with our coverage. I have no idea why 1820 is the date that separates our Sultanate of Muscat from our Muscat and Oman. The former does not even mention Zanzibar, which presumably was what prodded our new editor into action. I don't know if "Omani Empire" is the best title, and I do not believe three articles are necessary, but currently these two articles are not much help. One day... Srnec (talk) 02:30, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Admin Dianaa reverted it back to the redirect due to all the copyright material in it, and the editor who added it was rather unhappy.[2] Doug Weller talk 13:54, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

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'modern' was five years oldEdit

This is an example of what makes me very nervous about Wikipedia texts. First, that amazing changes are unreviewed. Second, that those are seemingly never reviewed, given for example here that word 'modern' survived 5+ years. Perhaps some of form of adoption of articles needs to be enforced on editors, adopting one from a list of important articles, to check on regularly for egregious encrustations. Thank you for fixing this one. Shenme (talk) 05:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

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Mary de BohunEdit

Could I have your thoughts on this? --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:56, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

It seems that Montarg is correct. Chris Given-Wilson's biography Henry IV (Yale University Press), p. 32, n. 43, says that the child was his sister-in-law's. He cites the same PRO source that Ward, Women of the English Nobility and Gentry, 1066–1500, p. 69, cites. You can read it there; it doesn't name Henry or Mary de Bohun. Given-Wilson considers identifying the 'lady' in the source with Mary a misreading. Given-Wilson directs me to Ian Mortimer, The Fears of Henry IV, app. III, for more information. Mortimer gives the source of the error as Wylie's biography of Henry IV from 1884. Srnec (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you sir! --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

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Gaillard II or III of Durfort - Seneschal of GasconyEdit

Hi Srnec, I was wondering if you could help me work out if it was Gaillard II of Durfort, Gaillard III of Durfort or Gaillard IV of Durfort that was Seneschal of Gascony? A Google search has a hit from UK Nation Archives which states Gaillard III of Durfort. This french text also supports Gaillard III. On the Seneschal of Gascony wiki article it is shown as Galhart II de Durfort (Gaillard II)? Any help would be appreciated. Regards Newm30 (talk) 06:58, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I will look into it. Srnec (talk) 13:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
@Srnec: - Hi, I was wondering whether Gaillard I de Durfort had any other children? I have seen a reference to Marguerite de Durfort who was married to Raimond de Donissan? Not sure if you can confirm this? Regards Newm30 (talk) 03:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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QuestionEdit

Where in wp:ncs does it say that ship names must be preceded by the definite article "the"? Could you point that out? Because why else would you undo that page move and revert all the subsequent corresponding edits? The only relevant direction I could find at wp:ncs was under "Using ship names in articles";

Do not use the definite article ("the") before a prefix or when introducing a ship for the first time; e.g., at the beginning of the lead section.

Generally, a definite article is not needed before a ship's name, although its use is not technically wrong.

Even then, what about that says that removing the definite article "the" is so controversial, that an "RM" is needed? - wolf 01:32, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild: I never said that ship names must be preceded by the definite article, only that the naming convention does not preclude its use. In my opinion, "Capture of the Anne" reads much more naturally and comprehensibly as an article title than "Capture of Anne", wherein the italics are doing a little too much work. If you believe otherwise, RM it and see what others think. You were not wrong to move the article. I am not saying you should have known it required an RM. I'm saying it requires an RM now that I've reverted it. Srnec (talk) 01:58, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Actually, it was already brought up at WT:MILHIST#Capture of the Anne. I raised the issue of "the" being in the title a week ago. No one spoke up in favour of retaining it, but a couple editors were in favour of removing it, so I did. Now, knowing that wt:milhist is much more highly trafficked than the "Capture of Anne" talk page, and keeping in mind that "the" preceding ship names is regularly removed from numerous ship articles by numerous editors, is that sufficient enough for you to support the move, or do you still want to insist on an RM? - wolf 02:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Since you already sought a local consensus, why not seek a broader consensus? Srnec (talk) 02:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Well considering the guideline clearly states; "Do not use the definite article ("the") ... when introducing a ship for the first time;, and obviously the ship is "introduced" in the article title in this case, I'm wondering why an RM would even be necessary, when we already have a guideline, guiding towards the correct action to take. So are you hoping for a consensus that will go against the guideline? What then? And, are you even confident that there will be a consensus against the move (and the guideline)...? If not, then why insist on this exercise? - wolf 04:42, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea what the community at large thinks. For that we'd need an RM. I have given my reasons why I think the current title (with "the") is better. In an RM, I would re-state them. Do you think the guideline as interpreted by you has community consensus or not? If it does, then what's the problem with confirming it? I for one do not think the guideline was intended for descriptive titles. For example, we have an FA with the clearly non-guideline title Sinking of the RMS Titanic, while Passengers of the RMS Titanic and Wreck of the RMS Titanic are GAs. Then there's Sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, Sinking of the RMS Lusitania and Sinking of the Petrel. To be fair, there is Sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse and other articles that conform to the guidelines as you see it. All in all, it isn't clear that your interpretation has consensus. Srnec (talk) 00:54, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
You have an odd way of using the word "interpretation". For example, you say you think "the" should be included in the title because "it reads more naturally", that is a personal preference. When I quoted the guidelines, that was a stating a fact. Neither are "interpretations". That said, yes... I am aware that there a some articles that currently violate the guidelines. I was actually about to correct one (another one, actually) when you reverted "Capture of Anne". There are plenty of GA/FA articles that contain mistakes, some were even hoaxes). "Good" and "Featured" do not mean "perfect".

There are reasons why we have these guidelines, one of them being that "Capture of the Anne" looks and sounds incredibly clunky, and it's the reason why we don't have articles titled; "Capture of the Rome", "Capture of the Adolf Eichmann", "Assassination of the Julius Caesar" or "Death of the Osama bin Laden". Having the definite article "the" preceding a name in simply improper, whether it is the name of a person or a boat (which are usually named after people as it is).

But, you seem quite intransigent about the issue, so I will start an RM. But, really, as the page move was supprted by a guideline, I personally think you should self-revert all the changes, then start an RfC on the WP:NCS talk page. (But, I don't see you doing that... unless the RM doesn't go your way.) - wolf 02:13, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

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In recognition of the role you played in cleaning up my God-awful spelling and grammar in the World War I Op-Ed series published by the Military history WikiProject's newsletter The Bugle over the last four years, I hereby present you with this teamwork barnstar. It is thanks to so many different editors like you who took the time to copyedit the nearly four year long series that it ended up being as successful as it was, and I am grateful for your help since spelling and grammar are not my strongest suites. Yours sincerely, TomStar81 (Talk) 14:38, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


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QuestionsEdit

G'day Srnec. I was wondering whether you could asist me with two questions.

1. Did Gaillard I de Durfort had any other children? I have seen a reference to Marguerite de Durfort who was married to Raimond de Donissan? Not sure if you can confirm this?
2. Is Alexandre (Anissant) de Caumont, Lord of Sainte Bazeille correct spelling or is it Alixandre de Caumont? This Caumont was active during 1346 on the side of the English with Durfort.

Regards Newm30 (talk) 01:01, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

I saw the first question earlier, but forgot to respond. No, I have not yet found a source for any other children than Gaillard II. As for the second, my guess is that "Alixandre" is a contemporary spelling, while "Alexandre" is just a regularized modern French spelling. If there is an article at one form, there should be a redirect from the other. (I added a red link to Alixandre de Caumont at Lancaster's chevauchée, based on the spelling in Gribit.) Srnec (talk) 01:14, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Thats ok and thanks, I will review sources and create Alixandre de Caumont soon. Regards Newm30 (talk) 00:41, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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Ghālib ibn ʿAbd al-RaḥmānEdit

Hello Srnec! Thanks for the correction. I just would like to ask, if you have easy access, the pages where you got the dates 28 June and 8 July mentioned in the subsection Supreme commander. The Spanish version of the article mentions, with sources, 15 July as the day that Ghalib announced his victory, but there is no mention to other dates. Cheers!--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 03:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Maragm (talk · contribs) and Rowanwindwhistler (talk · contribs), maybe you both can help.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 03:23, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Huici Miranda (i.e., the Encyclopaedia of Islam article) says: In 364/974 he undertook a carefully prepared expedition against the Castile-Navarre-Leon coalition in which he beat firstly the Christian allies under the walls of Gormaz, then count Garcia Fernandez at Langa, south of the Duero, on 25 Shawwal 364/8 July 975. Makki just puts the "defeats" in "Shawwal 364/June 975". I am not sure where I got the date "28 June" or why I did not cite a source for it, since I cannot find it in Kennedy. Perhaps my reference to Ibn Hayyan was incomplete... because the source I have now added for the date of 28 June (Pick) does indeed cite it to Ibn Hayyan. I can also confirm that Meouak, as per the Spanish Wiki, says that Córdoba received a report about the victories on 15 July. Meouak does not provide details about the victories, however. Srnec (talk) 03:58, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy SaturnaliaEdit

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Page moverEdit

I went ahead and gave you +extendedmover on this account since you post to RM/TR often enough that it would likely be helpful. WP:PAGESWAP is a script that lets you move pages over redirects. If you don't want it, let me know, but I thought I'd save the bureaucracy of my suggesting it and you going to PERM. Standard comments about reading the guidelines for use at WP:PGM and using WP:RM if the move might be controversial. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:53, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Srnec (talk) 01:00, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

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Second Battle of the AlpsEdit

Hey there Srnec. Would you care to elaborate [4]? Per Riccioli, [5], the french offensive started on March 23, before that the front was faily static and mostly manned by US troops. If the scope is extended back to August 1944, the article might lose its focus, I feel. Regards --RD47 (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

That's fine. You may revert if you'd like. Srnec (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Burma ArmyEdit

Hey, man. So what happens now with Talk:Burma_National_Army#Requested_move_1_January_2019 now that the 7 days have run out? Will it be merged? renamed? Only discussion was a "support" from you, so it seems to be the "winner"...?
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An admin will come around eventually and close it, although given the low "turnout", they might opt to re-list. Otherwise it will be moved. I can't do it because I'm involved. Once it is moved, the remaining article at Burmese Independence Army can be turned into a redirect with a notice that material has been merged. Srnec (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

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Milo IV, lord of Le PuisetEdit

His son, Walter(Gaucher), did not die at Damietta? --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

He did. It was just that it was already mentioned in the body. I see now that the name was in French there. I have re-added it for clarity. Srnec (talk) 03:48, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok. Not a big deal. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:52, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Coincidences and a thank youEdit

I've found curious that after more that ten years we cross again for the same issue (noble enumeration: [6] [7]) I take chance to thank you for a couple of articles (Rotrou III of Perche, Sancho Sánchez) that I translated into es: and that were very helpful for a recent project I've been involved in the Spanish Wikipedia.--FAR (talk) 02:21, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! It's hard to believe it's been that long. Srnec (talk) 05:10, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Manfred, King of SicilyEdit

Hello. I was thinking of finding a relatively short but highly interesting article (such as Manfred, King of Sicily), buffing up its referencing format in the same way Aristotle, re-checking every cited fact and its connection to the source, etc and running it through FAC. It might be fun. [Although I am concerned I may not have access to those sources]. Thoughts? Interested? ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 21:27, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@Lingzhi2: I could help you with sources, but that's about it. I have too long a list of things I'd like to work on to add more. Srnec (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I sorta go back and forth on whether I wanna do anything on any articles at all. But that particular article does look both doable and interesting. I am tempted... if you're not interested, then yes I would appreciate any sources you may have. I have lost all my access to jstor etc etc etc. And if you ever need any help of any kind on any article, feel free to drop me a line. Tks! ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 14:32, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Austria-HungaryEdit

Im VERY sorry, I wrote response to you before in the talk page, but your original respons got squeezed between my big message and "PS" so I didnt even notice it until now!! Ive edited my response and I apologize for my orginial respons which felt needlessly "aggressive" due to my mistake of not seeing your message... --Havsjö (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Jean Harpedenne (I, II & III)Edit

Hi Srnec. I think I may have conflated some information about one or two of the Jean's in the article John Harpeden, which may in fact be not the Seneschal of Gascony, but Jean I or Jean II, with John Harpeden being a close relative maybe. Your thoughts and any help would be appreciated. Regards Newm30 (talk) 03:17, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll see what I can look up. Srnec (talk) 05:04, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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Merovingian kingsEdit

Hi Srnec,

Ive seen your edits on quite a number of articles on medieval europe and I would just like to ask for your help in searching for citations regarding the birth and death years of a few lesser known Merovingian kings (the rois faineats) since right now quite a few of the dates/sources given are dubious.

Many thanks! FlavusTitus — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlavusTitus (talkcontribs) 09:59, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I can help you with dates. I've planned to work on the Merovingians for ten years. I've done Chlothar IV and am working on Dagobert II off-wiki. Srnec (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Srnec,

Thank you so much for your help. At the momenti think the sons of Clovis II (Chlothar III, Childeric II, Theuderic III) need some date checking. It has already been referenced that they were born in 652,653 and 651 respectively: but Theuderic was the youngest son and therefore cant be the oldest in terms of birthdate. Do u think there is some sort of mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlavusTitus (talkcontribs) 02:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

There seems to be some disagreement over whether Childeric or Theuderic was the youngest. Looking at the articles in the Oxford Dictionary of Late Antiquity, which all have birth dates, Theuderic the "middle son" was born c. 651, Childeric the "youngest son" c. 655 and Chlothar the "eldest son" c. 649. He came into power in 664 and had already passed the age of majority at that time. The Liber historiae francorum, however, lists the sons as Chlothar-Cilderic-Theuderic, which is not a guarantee that that was the birth order and not just the order in which they reigned. Fouracre and Gerberding, Late Merovingian France: History and Hagiography, 640–720 (Manchester University Press, 1996), actually address the issue head on: "Her three sons were born quickly after her marriage to Clovis: Clothar between 649 and 652, Childeric in 653, and Theuderic in 654. . . These are best guesses; the dates of the birth of Balthild’s children cannot be fixed. The sources disagree about the order: LHF ch. 44 gives the order as Clothar, Childeric and Theuderic, whereas the Passio Leudegarii, ch. 5, reverses Theuderic and Childeric." So there you have it. We do not know the dates or the order, although if you know which order you think more likely you can estimate the dates with some precision (as scholars have done). Srnec (talk) 03:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@Kansas Bear: Just notifying you of this since you added the existing date of birth citations. Bachrach et al. are fine, of course, but there is disagreement. Srnec (talk) 03:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

So which do you think is the best guess? All that i know is Clovis II married in 648 so the earliest that his children could be born would be circa 649. But i cant seem to make any great insight on that one FlavusTitus (talk) 10:41, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Fontan (village)Edit

Hi @Srnec:, I just wanted to check why you had removed the note at the top of the Fontan (village) page - do you not consider it helpful or is there a hatnote policy that I'm unaware of? Thanks, PeaBrainC (talk) 14:55, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Probably the latter. The policy is WP:NOTAMB. The title "Fontan (village)" is not ambiguous. Srnec (talk) 14:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, that's logical. There had been a hatnote there before I changed the page's name but you're right, in seems unnecessary now. There's a new policy to be found every day! PeaBrainC (talk) 15:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

February 2019Edit

  Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Eastern Nagari script, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. They are valid templates, the article relies on a single source, have some questionable unsourced claims and lack the general notability requirements. You didn't even discuss the issues in the talk page, neither you tried to address the issues in the article, yet removing the templates repeatedly. This is disruptive. Za-ari-masen (talk) 13:22, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

You are not acting in good faith. If you want the article gone—and you most clearly do—there is an avenue for that. The article already had tags for sourcing. What you are doing is borderline vandalism to an article you simply don't like. You've also removed links to it from everywhere you could. Why not try getting consensus for what you want? Srnec (talk) 00:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

MandatesEdit

Hi Srnec, please could you kindly give a final view on the specific question at the French Mandate RM discussion? It’s gained limited traction with other editors, so your view will help provide clarity. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:29, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Rostan de Soler/Solers/SoliersEdit

Hi Srnec, I have found some information in the [Nobiliaire Universel De France] about the Soliers family. Most information starts from Gaillard onwards. I have come across a few genealogical sites which show a number of Rostan/Rostaing's in line and was wondering if I have named this article correctly. I also have found that another Rostan, either son or grandson was Seneschal of Saintonge. Your thoughts? Regards Newm30 (talk) 08:12, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@Srnec: - Just wondering whether you had missed this question? If you don't have the time to respond, that ok. Regards Newm30 (talk) 00:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
There were definitely more than one Rostan de Soler, but it is hard to decide how many individually notable ones, especially with all the variant spellings of both first and last name. I am inclined to think we should disambiguate. The seneschal of Saintonge at least is notable. Srnec (talk) 00:57, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019Edit

 
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March 2019Edit

  Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Reformed orthodox and Reform Orthodox redirects, by just because your article's name has same name with the Eastern Christian reformation movement, doesn't truly and literally means that every redirect page needs to go just one page, while there other articles who still has nearly or mostly same name can't be excluded, has me to think, you may be blocked from editing. Chad The Goatman (talk) 19:06, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

ChaldeeEdit

Hello. I see that you have changed the target of redirect Chaldee. Please can you help to fix the resulting mis-directed links? I would guess that most of them should go to Aramaic language#Ancient Aramaic (which may merit a suitable redirect) or perhaps Biblical Aramaic, but it really needs a subject expert to sort them out. Thanks, Certes (talk) 16:29, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Done. I see you've been fixing links to Altaic, but I reverted that change of redirect since it should not redirect to a DAB page, esp. one created just now. I think an RM for the DAB page is in order. Srnec (talk) 20:11, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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Gonzalo García Gudiel or Gonzalo Pérez GudielEdit

When you created this page back in 2010, you named it Gonzalo García Gudiel. This is the name given on Spanish Wikipedia, but it then immediately states that he appears in contemporary documents as Gonzalo Pétrez Gudiel or just Gonzalo Pérez (he was Gonsalbo Petres, غنصالبه بيطرس, in his native Toledo mozarab Arabic). Do you happen to know where the 'García' comes from? Is this one of those cases where the later church historical tradition came to assign him a name that he himself did not bear? I just added a cite to a recent scholarly biography that refers to him as Gonzalo Pérez Gudiel, and I am thinking we may want to move our page to reflect this. Any thoughts? Agricolae (talk) 08:59, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I didn't know, but a Google search turns up this. It says that the traditional name, "Gonzalo García Gudiel", dates to the early 16th century and it is being gradually superceded by "Gonzalo Pérez Gudiel". The author says, however, that there is no contemporary evidence for the surname Gudiel. Only "Gonzalo Pérez" is attested in contemporary documents. No objection to a move to Gonzalo Pérez Gudiel, since Gonzalo Pérez is taken. Srnec (talk) 00:06, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately, your link takes me to an unavailable page (Google Books is so quirky), but your summary is consistent with what I suspected to be the case. I think I will move it when I have the time to do the accompanying cleanup. I am not too concerned with the 'Gudiel' - this is routinely used for his family by modern historians (in part because the Toledo Mozarabs used a small enough pool of names that there would be too much confusion if there wasn't some way to distinguish them). I suspect there are a lot more of these clerical names that are based on late tradition rather than contemporary usage - I know that as Bishop of Calahora (1283-6), Martin Garcia's correct name came down to us, but then he went to Astorga and for some reason came to be remembered as Martin Gonzalez, disguising the fact that the two were really the same, while the 1226-1241 bishop of Astorga, remembered as Nuño Fernández, never appears with that patronymic in any contemporary record I have seen. Agricolae (talk) 03:09, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

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Thank youEdit

Hi, I'd like to thank you for your contribution to the article about WWII in the French Somaliland which I translated in French since, shockingly, we didn't have an article on this topic --> fr:Histoire de la Côte française des Somalis pendant la Seconde Guerre mondiale. Best regards--Kimdime (talk) 19:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

De rien ! Srnec (talk) 00:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

fixed a 13 years old vandalism of yours....Edit

In 2006 you saw it fit to smear the Germanic people, (both Franks and Bavarians, apparently) as Barbarians in this edit. That term, Greek in origin, was always a smear and never descriptive in any context. The change flew below everyone's radar because it was at the end of a lengthy change set and not mentioned in the summary. I removed it. Wefa (talk) 13:20, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

My usage was clearly in keeping with contemporary usage. Einhard, who calls himself a homo barbarus, labels the peoples of Germania who speak similar languages barbaras. Ian Wood, "The Term ›barbarus‹ in Fifth-, Sixth-, and Seventh-Century Gaul", in Zeitschrift für Literaturwissenschaft und Linguistik, 41, 4 (2011), 39–50, cites many examples of Germanic peoples calling themselves barbari, such as the Burgundians in their law code. The word was by no means usually or even mainly neutral, but it was certainly not "always a smear and never descriptive in any context". Don't smear me again. Srnec (talk) 01:01, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Wefa, the edit made by Srnec you linked to above was not vandalism. Please remember to assume good faith and give other editors the benefit of the doubt in situations where one's intentions are not 100% blatant, apparent, or known. The manner in which you titled and worded your message here clearly accuses Srnec of vandalism, which we define as edits made with the intention of being deliberately malicious or disruptive to Wikipedia by damaging an article or page. This is clearly not what Srnec did with this edit. Coming to someone with this kind of message will certainly annoy most editors, and even cause some to become frustrated or even angry. Asking Srnec why he added this term with his edit to the article, or even just stating that you disagree with the edit and the addition of the term, is a much better way of expressing your thoughts than calling their edits vandalism. Please keep this in mind when making messages or when communicating with other editors in the future. It'll always generate more positive responses and discussion from others when you do this, and it'll keep yourself from making enemies here. ;-) Thanks - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:57, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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Merovingians and SaliansEdit

Yes Childeric was referred to as King of the Franks in the Roman army, I believe in Gregory of Tours. There was no specification of types of Franks in any of the sources of this period. Also; while you think Belgica Secunda is unimportant to the story it is actually important because it was on the Romanized side of the Silva Carbonaria, where Gregory of Tours said the Franks had only recently invaded in the time of Childeric. So if you are looking for a way to say what type of Franks they were the Merovingians show several signs of being one who had entered Romanized Gaul. When Clovis conquered the Franks most of the little kingdoms were presumably in would later be Austrasia and later Lotharingia. When Childeric stopped being "king" for while he was exiled (by his Roman superior, who himself became "King of the Franks") to either the area of Tongeren (which is in Austrasia) or else Thuringia. The idea of a leader of foreign troops declaring himself king of a new ethnic group starts with Alaric in this period. This is a subject Guy Halsall has published about.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 14:33, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

But Gregory is writing later. Did contemporaries regard Childeric as king while he was still a Roman general, or did he proclaim himself king to save his position when Roman authority disappeared? We are talking about the lead, not the body. I think Belgica Secunda, without context, is useless. That the Merovingians were not originally Kings of (all) the Franks is relevant. That is what I think. I don't care if the lead says "Salian", although it should probably mention the Merovingians as law-givers. The only issue I have with the present sentence (They first appear as "Kings of the Franks" in the Roman army of northern Gaul.) is that "they" in this context is just exactly one person. I have Halsall's book (Barbarian Migrations and the Roman West). Srnec (talk) 14:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Gregory is one of our [humanity's] best primary sources. Basically all historians of this period have to use him. Assuming we can agree that it is hard to avoid him, I am not intending to argue too hard about Belgica Secunda in the lead, but an alternative to removing is adding/explaining. Concerning "they" maybe we can tweak it, but on the other hand it is not so strange when you recall we are talking about a dynasty not a tribe, and a dynasty can be seen as a series of individuals. Childeric was "their ancestor", meaning the ancestor of the Merovingian dynasty. Clovis and Childeric OTOH both apparently had some authority over Belgica Secunda. Of course though we can not fit everything in the first sentences, and I do not say we should.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

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County of MaurienneEdit

Hi Srnec, I have a short question about to the edit to the article on the County of Maurienne. Just to clarify, so I don't make anymore mistakes in editing, I guess there is a rule against infoboxes for non- sovereign monarchies/minor titles (for example Maurienne being a lesser title than the concurrent County of Savoy which was the seat of House of Savoy)?

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Thanks for your input at the debate on the titles of the 1947-49 Palestine war pages. This has been an impossible problem in wikipedia for more than a decade, and the subject of multiple discussions. I was too hasty in trying a single-answer vote, and as discussed here with Snowfire, we (Bolter21 and I) have worked to refactor the discussion to build a clearer picture of people’s views. If you could find 10 minutes further for this topic, please review the background of the wider debate at Talk:1947–1949 Palestine war/Name and then add your opinion to the table at Talk:1947–1949_Palestine_war#Vote.

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on the 13 SyriansEdit

Thanks for pointing out why I was wrong in my "correction" on the Syrian Fathers page. However, I do truly believe that the name of that page is wrong. Although at a point in time, you would be correct that they would be referred to as Syrian, the modern day academic term for Middle Eastern Christians, specifically those from Mesopotamia and the Levant, are named Syriacs. Would you agree in disagree in renaming that page to Syriac Fathers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirovekîaştiyê (talkcontribs) 20:06, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Problem is, I don't see many references to "thirteen [or 13] Syriac fathers". I see a few references to "thirteen [13] Assyrian fathers", but I see far more and better sources using "thirteen [13] Syrian fathers". I get that for many this use of the term "Syrian" can be confusing, but it's pretty standard in the literature. The language is always called Syriac, but its native speakers are Syrians. The article "Georgian Christianity, Syriac contacts with" in the Gorgias Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Syriac Heritage uses "Thirteen Syrian Fathers". Srnec (talk) 23:49, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

You are correct, Syrian is a term that was used to call these christians, however, in modern day academia and literature, these people are called Syriacs. Refer to:

John A. Shoup, Ethnic Groups of Africa and the Middle East: An Encyclopedia, p. 30

Nicholas Aljeloo, Who Are The Assyrians?

UNPO Assyria

Steven L. Danver, Native Peoples of the World: An Encyclopedia of Groups, Cultures and Contemporary Issues, p. 517

James Minahan, Encyclopedia of the Stateless Nations: A-C, pp. 205-206

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Jimeno GárcesEdit

Good improvement on the sourcing, but it currently (and for a long time) is POV. There is another school of scholarly thought that Jimeno was only ever a regent for his nephew. The tricky thing is that the Pamplona dynasties used the royal title for more than just kings - it seems that Sancho Gárces, grandfather of queens Toda and Sancha, used it as regent for the captive Fórtun Gárces, while later Jimeno Sánchez appears with the title even though he was just García Sánchez II's younger brother, so the typical basis for conclusion, appearing as king, doesn't answer the question in this case. Anyhow, I have seen it portrayed both ways, so this is on the 'when I find the time' list. Agricolae (talk) 02:56, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

The 928 document that Collins 2012 cites is translated in Collins 1986 and indeed it calls García the creato of Jimeno but does not style him rex. The latter is regnante ... cum his nephew. I read too much into Collins 2012's statement about joint rule. I was not aware of Toda's grandfather or Jimeno Sánchez being styled kings... I will have to look into this. Srnec (talk) 04:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
With Sancha's grandfather, it is a bit of a deduction to whom it relates, but there was a man called king Sancho who appears in Pamplona at this time, and Fortun's brother is the obvious Sancho for this to be. One mention appears in the account of al-Udri, who would write that Mutarrif ibn Musa of the Banu Qasi married Velasquita, the daughter of Sancho sahib of Pamplona (sahib is the same term used to describe Inigo Arista and Garcia Iniguez and represented as king in christian sources; it was only with Sancho I that they started to call the Pamplona ruler by the same term used to refer to the Asturian kings, 'tirant', reflecting an acceptance that they were no longer petty rulers within the Cordoban sphere of influence). Ibn Jaldun says the same, but may not be independent of al-Udri. Ibn Hayyan, in describing the same thing, would write that it was the daughter of sahib Garcia of Pamplona. Bearing in mind that both chroniclers were writing centuries later, arguments could be made both ways. The success of Sancho I had such an effect on the al-Andalus psyche that you sometimes see Sancho used as a generic name for a Pamplona leader, yet on the other side, the last king Ibn Hayyan had talked about was Garcia Iniguez, so he may have associated a generic King of Pamplona with him. Then there is a charter from 867, (during Fortun's captivity, status of Garcia Iniguez unknown - the traditional chronology of him is dubious), that refers to Galindo Aznarez of Aragon "Galindo Asinari comes deprecor Sancium regum, generum meum" - king Sancho, my son-in-law. Again, this is during the captivity of Fortun, and it can't pass without notice that his brother Sancho Garces would have been natural regent were his father dead or incapacitated, and that Sancho named his son Aznar. Taken together, it looks like Sancho Garces was being referred to using the royal title. see here
I have seen a paper specifically on the atypical use of the royal title in Pamplona during this period that discusses some examples of its broader use, including by the younger Jimeno, but I can't remember the author. Agricolae (talk) 16:50, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Emperor Henry VIEdit

At the time of his marriage to Constance, was Henry called Prince? See latest edit to Constance, Queen of Sicily.--Kansas Bear (talk) 07:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

No, because he had already been elected and crowned King of the Romans. Srnec (talk) 14:22, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

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G’day Srnec, hope you have been well. I was wondering if you had any sources for Eustace de Ribemont? Any help in expanding article would be appreciated. Regards Newm30 (talk) 21:10, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hi. Is there really a source for Bisinus being the father of Baderic, Hermanfrid and Berthar?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 08:41, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

In short: secondary sources, yes; primary sources, I do not know.
For a proposed family tree of the Thuringian royal family, see here. Jarnut splits Bisinus in two, making the three brothers sons of a the husband of Menia, but not that of Basena. From what I can tell, however, Jarnut's theory is not widely held, since Steuer's article in the same volume treats all three as sons of (the one) Bisinus. I am not sure if there is a primary source that explicitly names the father of the any of the brothers. Their father is not named in the entries in The Prosopography of the Later Roman Empire. Srnec (talk) 22:06, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Habsburg Empire/Habsburg Monarchy.Edit

Hi Srnec, this thing is tormenting me :D

I am pretty confident that the term Habsburg Empire is used for all the Habsburg realms in the various periods. As the article "Habsburg Monarchy" currently stands (limited to the period 1526-1804) it's a problem if "Habsburg Empire" redirects to it. I mean, all books talk about the Habsburg Empire in reference to its fall in 1918 or when talking about Maximilian I or Charles V. Your point that it's used also as a synonimous is correct, but as "Habsburg Monarchy" currently stands is limited in years and lands (Austria + Danube territories). Perhaps we may redirect "Habsburg Empire" to House of Habsburg? Or maybe create a new article for "Habsburg Empire"? Or maybe I should change Habsburg monarchy? I have no idea what to do but something needs to be done.


You can see what i mean here:

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung&biw=360&bih=560&tbm=bks&ei=d6BdXZWoHY-trgSW74XYDA&q=a+history+of+the+Habsburg+Empire&oq=a+history+of+the+Habsburg+Empire&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3...1485.6751.0.7043.33.19.0.11.11.0.247.2614.0j11j4.15.0....0...1c.1j4.64.mobile-gws-serp..7.18.1718.3..0j41j30i10k1j33i10k1.0.LApDFOFllr0

For me the best solution remains a disambiguation page saying Habsburg Empire may refer to:

1)domains of the House of Habsburg

2)Habsburg monarchy

3)Austrian empire

4)austria-hungary

Maybe you have other solutions.

Barjimoa (talk) 19:36, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

I put a hatnote at Habsburg Monarchy so that people realize it is restricted to the Austrian lands and excludes the Spanish Habsburgs. Since the only time the Habsburg lands including Spain were all united was under Charles V, it doesn't seem important to me to talk about such a Habsburg Empire. The Spanish and Austrian branches were separate. The term Habsburg Monarchy seems to refer normally to the Austrian branch's lands. These are the only lands after the death of Charles IV. So it seems to me that the hatnote solution is simplest. It is saying: this article is about the one Habsburg monarchy/empire (that endured longest) and here is the other. Srnec (talk) 02:54, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Your edit on that page is fine! The term Habsburg Monarchy indeed refers mostly just to the Danubian lands and only from 1283 to 1804, when it was suceeded by the Austrian Empire. It was constructed as a concept by historians to find the predecessor state of the Austrian Empire. My issue is that now "Habsburg Empire" redirects ONLY to "Habsburg Monarchy". But "Habsburg Empire" has a larger meaning used extensively for the empire of Charles V and Austria-Hungary. So every time on wiki there is a reference to the division of the [Habsburg empire] in 1556 or the collapse of the [Habsburg empire] in 1918, the [link] points to that article.
I'll post you three links about this, that specifically make the "distinction" (in the sense that one is a part of the other) between the smaller and shorter Habsburg/Danubian Monarchy (ended in 1804 and suceeded by Austrian Empire) and the larger and longer Habsburg Empire (divided in 1556 between Austrian and Spanish branches, and ended with the collapse of Austria-Hungary in 1918).
1) https://books.google.it/books?id=se0wDgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=history+of+Habsburg+Empire&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmgavI75XkAhXPzaQKHdvaB7EQ6AEIWjAH#v=onepage&q=history%20of%20Habsburg%20Empire&f=false
2) https://books.google.it/books?id=ffZy5tDjaUkC&pg=PA153&dq=atlas+Habsburg+Empire&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi999Lc8JXkAhXJ4KQKHcZ8D_YQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=atlas%20Habsburg%20Empire&f=false
3) https://books.google.it/books?id=Y2QSBAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=history+of+Habsburg+Empire&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmgavI75XkAhXPzaQKHdvaB7EQ6AEIPjAD#v=onepage&q=history%20of%20Habsburg%20Empire&f=false
Barjimoa (talk) 07:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't think those sources demonstrate any difference between the meaning of the two terms "Habsburg Monarchy" and "Habsburg Empire". But I think I see the problem here. The article Habsburg Monarchy is wrong: that term does not refer exclusively to the period 1526–1804. Not at all. Scholars use it to refer to Austria and Austria-Hungary right down to 1918, and they sometimes use it to refer to the Habsburg lands before 1526 as well. The problem is that page. Srnec (talk) 23:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Your point on Habsburg monarchy is correct and it was one of the points I was making. Just to be even more correct, Habsburg Monarchy is already used since 1282 with the foundations of Erblande (Also thank you for the article, I was making one but yours is better with the maps and all). Now the only issue remaining is that with Habsburg Empire. Because Habsburg Netherlands or Habburg Spain were a part of the Habsburg empire and I'm going to make some changes about it without going in open contrasts with your edits. Perhaps clarifying that Habsburg Monarchy and Empire are also used as synonims. Barjimoa (talk) 09:39, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

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