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Fayenatic London 20:32, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


You should be aware that Module:IPAc2-mh (formerly at Module:mh-pronunc) is actually a mirrored version of wiktionary:Module:mh-pronunc, and the code is primarily maintained there. When updates are refined there, they are copied here. It is a very complex module with some complex algorithms that are still actively being refined, and since they are part of an active project connecting efforts at both Wikipedia and Wiktionary (discussed at Talk:Marshallese language here at Wikipedia and at wiktionary:User talk:Erutuon on the technical side), it is still currently important for these efforts to remain combined. If you want to participate in refining the module or its code structure, I request that you participate in the effort at Wiktionary. - Gilgamesh (talk) 07:51, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Now, reviewing your own recent edits, the local versions of functions were cached intentionally for performance reasons, as part of an overall effort to improve the module's speed, which especially in the past could be extremely slow to the point where this was considered a potential concern for articles here on Wikipedia like Kwajalein Atoll. The performance hit can be felt most acutely in the debug table at wiktionary:Module:mh-pronunc, which has to be able to refresh as quickly as possible between changes, and at one point this took several times longer to refresh than it does now. As the debug table increases in size, there's also concern that the module could time out before completing, as actually did happen recently at Wikipedia's Talk:Marshallese language such that I had write a demo table there with cached results instead, and looked into getting that talk page bot-archived.

Now, when I started mirroring the module here at Wikipedia, I left a comment at the top:

-- This module is primarily maintained at:
-- https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Module:mh-pronunc

The intent was for all queries into the module's maintenance to be centered there. Until now, there have only been two editors: Myself and wikt:User:Erutuon (also here as User:Erutuon). A helpful third hand would be appreciated, but the technical challenges need to be understood and respected as they represent real technical restraints on the module's development and debugging at Wiktionary. - Gilgamesh (talk) 08:00, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

As an added note on the linguistics of the topic... Marshallese is a phonologically complex language. User:Austronesier has been assisting me with peer review and feedback in trying to improve the article Marshallese language as well as the linguistic principles informing the refining of the phonetic algorithm the module is designed to calculate. It's a vertical vowel system, with extremely complex rules for consonant and vowel reflexes, which has necessitated the module to grow to the size that it has. Austronesier, a specialist in Austronesian languages, commented that of all the languages in that family he has studied, none has proven phonologically more complicated than Marshallese. This effort has had to combine both multiple sources of linguistic data and no small amount of programming expertise into a working algorithm to convert the language's phonemic model to its phonetic output, which for this language is far from a trivial task. And that's just for one model of phonetic reflexes. If it comes to the point where we have to cover common variant reflexes (like /wetˠemʲtʲetʲ/ to [wotˠemʲ(e)zʲetʲ] for the common reflex and spelling otemjej instead of [wɤtˠɤmʲ(e)zʲetʲ] for the same word's primary reflex and dictionary spelling wōtōmjej), then those words have to run the entire gauntlet of the toPhoneticRemainder function for additional iterations with conditionally tweaked reflex algorithms, which since it's our most expensive function can greatly balloon overall module execution time, because one phonetic change ripples into other changes (with sandhi considerations) and they all have to be taken into consideration. So please...be patient with this technical effort. - Gilgamesh (talk) 08:23, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

@Gilgamesh~enwiki: I think that the local variables for various functions in global libraries don't noticeably improve performance, so they could be dispensed with. I previewed the table in wikt:Module:mh-pronunc/documentation with two different versions of the module, with and without the local variables in question, and there wasn't a significant difference in Lua time usage in the parser profiling data. The time varied a bit, but there was not the significant difference that there was for some of the other changes you made, like replacing IPA with X-SAMPA-like ASCII code and using string rather than mw.ustring functions. Apparently the two or three table lookups required to use the global variables don't take that long. However, I second the request for patience. — Eru·tuon 09:17, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
@Erutuon: That's good to know. Thank you. - Gilgamesh (talk) 09:56, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I've uncached the library functions in line with Erutuon's performance analysis, and I've also expanded the comments at the top of the script to clarify that technical queries and contributions need to be directed at Wiktionary, and that the version at Wikipedia is a mirror. If I knew it were feasible, I would instead maintain one copy of this module at Wikimedia Commons, but then the module's primary debug table is over at Wiktionary as it collects existing Wiktionary entries that use the module. Can Lua modules be hosted primarily at Commons? And how practical would it be to divide debug efforts between multiple wikis? - Gilgamesh (talk) 10:16, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Apparently not... I tested a few Wikipedia Commons module names to see if they load at Wikipedia, but no dice. I think we're just going to have to maintain more than one copy across wikis. - Gilgamesh (talk) 10:49, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

@Pppery: With all due respect, you have already three times made a point of editing this module, and Erutuon and I have left comments here with concern to it. I want to avoid conflicts in the future and ensure that, if you have additional concerns, you address them as a contributor to the multi-wiki project (centered at wiktionary:Module:mh-pronunc) rather than as an incidental editor of its mirror on Wikipedia. Again, if I could host the module in just one shared location at Wikimedia Commons, that might be more ideal, but that doesn't seem possible at the moment. So, do you have anything to say? - Gilgamesh (talk) 02:26, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I hadn't responded earlier because I had felt that the situation had resolved itself with Erutuon's post above while I was asleep. In generalities, most of my edits to templates and modules are content-blind enforcement of standards across, and I have no actual interest in the Marshallese language. This is not the right place for a broader discussion about the merits of shared modules (WT:Lua, perhaps?), so I won't comment any further on that front. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:33, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
All right. Thank you for making your concerns clear. - Gilgamesh (talk) 03:03, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Well, for the time being, the kind of edit conflict this module received earlier is not sustainable. Especially while its codebase is still in development, in the basic interests of software compatibility, the copies here and at Wiktionary need to remain identical to ensure they can accept the same input and always generate the same output. In the future, if you have concerns about the standards enforcement of this particular module's code, could you please raise them over at Wiktionary? I can't stress this enough. That way, whatever is updated there will be mirrored here, satisfying standards here in the process. - Gilgamesh (talk) 03:30, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I added an edit notice and soft redirected the talk page. That should hopefully be enough to keep things centralized. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 08:08, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. - Gilgamesh (talk) 08:29, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Module:For nowikiEdit

  Moved to Template talk:For nowiki – * Pppery * it has begun... 20:07, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Transcluding Special PagesEdit


You would know if this is possible, or how to do it, but months ago, an editor (possibly yourself) suggested that I could transclude the special page listing subpages of a certain page with the prefixes stripped, so I wouldn't have to update my user talk archive index manually at User talk:Dmehus/Archives. However, when I try to transclude it with {{:Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Dmehus/&namespace=3&hideredirects=1&stripprefix=1}} or {{Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Dmehus/&namespace=3&hideredirects=1&stripprefix=1}}, I assume that's because it's looking for a template namespace template? Is there a different way to transclude in a special page?

--Doug Mehus T·C 20:27, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

(Special page transclusion formats oddly when indented, so I'm breaching talk page protocol and replying unindented) * Pppery * it has begun... 21:12, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Pppery Ah, thanks! Looks what I was doing wrong was not converting the question mark to a backslash and then not replacing the ampersand with a pipe. Unusual formatting I would not have expected. Do you know, off hand, where that's described, either in the Wikipedia or MediaWiki help manual?

By the way, was it you that suggested using this method previously? --Doug Mehus T·C 21:27, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't know where that idiosyncracy is described, but it was originally me that suggested the special page transclusion. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:29, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Pppery, Interesting. It was a good idea! Doug Mehus T·C 21:43, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


While Template:SHORTDESC is currently "unused", it may become used at any point by someone typing {{SHORTDESC|…}} instead of {{SHORTDESC:…}}. The sole purpose of the template is to prevent such uses from marring the articles they occur on. By not 'noincluding' the TFD notice, you are guaranteeing that any transclusions of the template will marr their articles with large, irrelevant warning boxes (unless/until the editor notices and fixes the problem). I don't see the benefit of not using 'noinclude' since, by your logic, using it has no effect, while not using it could have a specific detrimental effect. - dcljr (talk) 02:12, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

My logic was essentially "since it's unused, there's no justification for deviating from the instructions". (Note that <noinclude> is only mentioned for substituted templates, which {{SHORTDESC}} isn't). As for the rest of your argument, I don't see large warning boxes (which is a misstatement anyway; the actual text transcluded would not be a box) marring an article that uses a template nominated for deletion as the clearly bad thing you are potraying it as. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:38, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

The Instructor's BarnstarEdit

  The Instructor's Barnstar
This Instructor's Barnstar is awarded to User:Pppery for their stellar work in updating the instructional material at Help: Wikipedia: The Missing Manual. ...  .... Moxy 🍁 17:28, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposal to streamline the welcome templateEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposal to streamline the welcome template. Sdkb (talk) 05:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC) Sdkb (talk) 05:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Discussion on refining the tasks listed at the Task CenterEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Task_Center#Refining_the_tasks_listed_here. Sdkb (talk) 05:21, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Picture deletionEdit

Hi, Ive noticed a user has added numerous images lifted from Facebook. I've tried looking up the process to tag it, but cant find a good guide. Could you guide me to page with directions? PLease ping in response Alishernavoi (talk) 21:01, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

@Alishernavoi: The general process to tag a file that was copied from another website is to add {{db-f9}} to the file page itself (NOT the talk page), as I did in Special:Diff/944403339. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alishernavoi (talkcontribs) 21:11, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

AfD nominationEdit

Hi Pppery, I've nominated a article for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vidya Prakasananda Giri Swamy, can you please go through it once. - MRRaja001 (talk) 07:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're asking me, but I don't see anything wrong with it. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:10, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Error in Template:Infobox company resulting from an edit of yoursEdit

This edit put <ref></ref> at the end of the template, which is causing errors to show up on pages using the template. I've made an edit request to remove that; could you take a look at that? Guy Harris (talk) 03:10, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Guy Harris (talk) 03:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)   Fixed Sorry, must have been an accidental click of a button on the edit toolbar that I didn't notice. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


The article was created as a typo and then corrected. There's no reason to leave a rd. If you're not willing to fix it, at least leave it to s.o. else and don't sabotage WP. — kwami (talk) 22:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Insisting that pages only be speedily deleted when they meet Wikipedia's strict criteria for speedy deletion is not "sabotage". * Pppery * it has begun... 22:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Go TransitEdit

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Canadian stations)#Go station naming regarding station naming conventions for Go Transit. Cards84664 00:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Cards84664: Why was I notified here? * Pppery * it has begun... 00:57, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Because of your previous involvement with naming convention discussions. Cards84664 01:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Module RDKTSR movedEdit

Is there a reason for the move? Ryan (talk) 04:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)



I understand why you have reverted my edit to Template:Stammbaum, and closed the discussion at TFD as wrong venue. What is the right venue?

The issue is that currently Stammbaum redirects to Template:Family tree which has been deprecated and is being merged with Template:Tree chart. While the syntax of the two is similar, they are not the same. See: Template:Tree chart#Migration from familytree

Having compared Template:Family tree and de:Vorlage:Stammbaum documentation, Family tree is not a direct equivalent of Stammbaum, which means anyone doing an import of a German tree will have to check that it works and if necessary edit it to work with Family tree.

My conclusion is that at some point Stammbaum could redirect to Template:Family tree. If this is going to happen, I'd suggest the sooner it is done the better.

Regards, Tango Mike Bravo (talk) 18:20, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tango Mike Bravo: As Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#What not to propose for discussion here clearly says, template redirects go to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion, not Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:22, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

"Template:Stammbaum" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Stammbaum. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Stammbaum redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tango Mike Bravo (talkcontribs) 17:55, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Resurrection appearancesEdit

Something went wrong here; thanks for the correction. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

DRN gadget script MediaWiki:Gadget-DRN-wizard.jsEdit

Hey Pppery. See the discussion at WP:IANB#A WP:DRN script has been de-gadgeted and is ready to be renamed . According to User:Xaosflux this renaming may not be needed. What do you think? Is there still a reason to do it if there is no net benefit? It takes an interface administrator to do these moves. EdJohnston (talk) 03:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I disagree that there is no net benefit to pages, even obscure technical pages like this one, not having misleading names, such as the "gadget-" prefix on something that is not a gadget. The time to argue the merits of my requested move passed when buidhe closed the discussion as "moved". Now is the time to implement it, or go to MRV. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
How about you make that argument over at WP:IANB. I am bowing out since I don't have the power to do the move. You will be standing by to debug anything that breaks? EdJohnston (talk) 03:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussionEdit

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Section is Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Creation_requestxaosflux Talk 15:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Cleaning up ANI messEdit

Hi Pppery! I noticed you started trying to undo some of the damage caused by the massively blunt rollback of my edits at the ANI thread. I'm not too familiar with how mass rollbacks and un-rollbacks work, but if fixing things up would make it harder to un-rollback, it might be better to hold off. I'm hoping that the mass rollback will be quickly reversed now that the folks there have some context from myself and the VPR closing admin, and it'll be easier to do that in one fell swoop than to try to take everything on piecemeal. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 20:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

It's too late to "hold off"; I already finished reverting the edits it was clear to me needed reverting (I was being deliberately rather cautious). * Pppery * it has begun... 20:08, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
It was also too late for a clean batch un-rollback even before my edits, given that Andrybak also engaged in piecemeal reverting. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Ack, this is a mess; I wish I had seen the thread before it was prematurely closed. I see that there is a request at JzG's talk page to undo the rollback, and hopefully he'll take responsibility for carrying that out. I'll let you know if I spot anything really urgently broken, since I don't think I should be making any template edits directly while the ANI thread is active. Thanks as always for your work in this area. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 20:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


Hello, what was the reason for removing my CSD tag? - Chris.sherlock (talk) 23:52, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

It was redundant to the {{now commons dated}} later on in the file description, and I didn't realize you were the uploader. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Untitled postEdit

Dude, please delete redirect Talk:Milovan Djilas or rename it yourself. Article is Milovan Đilas, but talk page is Djilas. Isn't obvious what I sought to do with speedy deletion? -- Bojan  Talk  —Preceding undated comment added 21:45, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

You requested speedy deletion of a page for a reason that is clearly not one of Wikipedia's strict criteria for speedy deletion. The correct venue would have been WP:RMTR. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:48, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Could you just delete the redirect, why do we have to have such birocracy? -- Bojan  Talk  21:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

... because I'm not an admin, and the redirect has history that needs to be preserved anyway. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't read well userbox on your user page. -- Bojan  Talk  22:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Template Barnstar
It's definitely past time you have this one. Your techno-wizardry on templates and modules throughout the project is greatly appreciated! {{u|Sdkb}}talk 22:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Possible Template IssueEdit


I am wondering if you can pull the template for DRN and see if there were any changes to it? To me, it appears OK, so it may be a BOT thing that I have asked them to give it a swift kick or life support. The bot should be taking what we put in the template and updating our table that we monitor. It looks like it stopped working some time ago and the owner of the bot seems to have vanished. Would I be able to get a copy of all the template changes so I can hopefully determine when this may have happened, please?

  1. Everything else in the table gets updated correctly except case status (hence why I am wondering if it is a template issue).
  2. We leave {{DR case status=}} empty until we the discussion has met the point we can open it. Then we change it to "resolved", "failed", or "closed" of which then the bot is supposed to change the table shown at Template:DRN_case_status
  3. I am also wondering why the 'hide' is located in that same cell. Maybe this is causing it not to update?
  4. I can go into the template and manually enter the numeral equivalent for the color and it works fine (I removed those edits)
  5. I just tried one more thing, but I need for the bot to run. In the actual DR instead of a status word, such as open, I put in the numeral 2 at the s= in the row when editing the template as a whole. *Update - This did not work, the code was still there, however, it was still reflected as new so I went back into the template and put the number corresponding to the color to it. --Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 10:33, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Code Colors and keywords

New case example

(usually left blank to signify new)

Open case example

keyword is open

Needassist case example

keyword is needassist

Review case example

keyword is review

Resolved case example

keyword is resoved

Closed case example

keyword is closed

Failed case example

keyword is failed

On hold case example

keyword is hold

Unknown case example

We do not use this to my knowledge

I appreciate any insight you are able to provide as to what may have changed.
Thanks, Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 10:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Galendalia: I don't exactly understand why I was asked about this, but nevertheless I've taken a quick look at this and observed that
  1. The bot appears to have stopped correctly detecting the status at 17:07, 21 October 2019
  2. The only edit to DRN between the last successful bot edit and the first failed one was Special:Diff/922389728, which does not appear to botch the formatting at all.
  3. DRN had no cases at all for a few days in November 2019, and, when the first case came to break that slump and was put on hold, the bot still failed to detect it as new, ruling out the possibility that Special:Diff/922389728 broke the formatting in some way.
  4. Looking at the bot's source code, which is publicly available here, it defaults to "New" without reporting the error in any way if it encounters an error calculating the status.
  5. The above four things strongly imply that no one other than Hasteur can fix the bot.
  6. Your manual fix could not have possibly done anything, since the bot entirely overwrites the table with each edit.
  7. It looks like it's possible to write a Lua module to reimplement the task of extracting the status from the page, and use it, instead of the passed status parameter, in Template:DRN case status/row. I'll probably get around to coding that later today
* Pppery * it has begun... 13:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
And   coded, see Template:DRN case status/sandbox, which has exactly the same wikitext as Template:DRN case status, except for calling Template:DRN case status/row/sandbox instead of Template:DRN case status/row, and nevertheless produces the correct status colors. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I asked you because I see you online a lot and you are also a template editor so I had wanted your input to see if it was broken, which is not as you pointed out (thank you for that). I will have to see about having the bot updated somehow as the programmer is no longer active from what I see in their logs. I had a thought but since the bot would overwrite the template I don't think it will work. I was thinking if we used your template, when the bot updates everything else if your template would color code it.
Thank you for your input, Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 17:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

MediaWiki files for deletionEdit

Hello. I've noticed you tagged some MediaWiki pages for deletion. Just to confirm, do you want both the MediaWiki page and its talkpages deleted? (and would I be banned for deleting those?) Rehman 16:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I want both the MediaWiki page and the corresponding talk page deleted. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Done. Cheers, Rehman 16:29, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

United States Legislative District IssueEdit

Edits per secondEdit

Hi Pppery, in Wikipedia:Statistics edit per second is calculated by {{#expr:({{NUMBEROFEDITS:R}}-843241557)/({{#time:U}}-1530212463) round 1}} = 1.9 .. can you explain how this is calculated? I'm curious but do not understand the hard coded numbers. I assume this shows the average over the lifetime of Wikipedia? -- GreenC 17:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

The hardcoded numbers were me substituting {{NUMBEROFEDITS:R}} and {{#time:U}} at the time I made the edit in 2018, which in retrospect seems kind of silly now. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:19, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Template Editor's Barnstar
Awarded for putting up with my malformed edit request in good cheer. Thanks for all the work you do implementing template edit requests quickly! Psiĥedelisto (talkcontribs) please always ping! 01:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


Hi, hope you're well! Today I noticed that Module:Transclude was automatically protected and is being used on hundreds of pages. I can't figure out why, do you know?? Sophivorus (talk) 14:00, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

It's required by Module:Mapframe (and the fact that it was template-protected is what lead me to erroneously assume it was used by Module:Excerpt). * Pppery * it has begun... 15:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 July 16 § Module:WsEdit

In future, please feel free to ask me to WP:CSDG7 a template/module before going to TfD, especially in such obvious cases where I'm sure to agree.   I have G7'd Module:ws. Psiĥedelisto (talkcontribs) please always ping! 22:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Removal of note on the mbox pageEdit

  Moved to Talk:Mbox – * Pppery * it has begun... 17:20, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Wrong venueEdit

This went a little confusing for me because I'm not very experienced with Wikipedia, but why, when you closed the discussion as a non-admin, have you marked Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 August 27#Template:User 2fa as being in the "wrong venue"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:46, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.

TfD was therefore the wrong venue for your proposal, and I closed the discussion accordingly. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Quick note on Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:RedWarnEdit

Thanks for your edits to Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:RedWarn.

Thanks for the clarification :) Aasim 22:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Mailing list memberEdit

I'm not clear why you didn't try to discuss your change with me before making it (or, for that matter, the original change, which did not point to the deletion discussion or give any indication that the template had been modified). I knew the state of the mailing list member, and I knew the new user name. If they wanted to change it, they could have done it themselves. I hope you will engage in discussion before making further changes. isaacl (talk) 20:13, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Because I didn't see why either of them would be controversial. Prior to my first edit, the page had not been edited in over 5 years, so I had no reason to think anyone would care about it. The second edit was me attempting to avoid getting into a dispute by rendering it moot, since there was no reason to argue over how to display inactive members when there were no members who are actually inactive, and I assumed you simply weren't aware of the username change. Why do you care so much about the state of a mailing list to which no messages have been sent since 2015? * Pppery * it has begun... 20:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
The user in question contributed to the newsletter under that user name. Personally I feel that working groups should be able to organize their workflow as they best see fit, as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's workflow. isaacl (talk) 21:17, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

September 2020Edit

  Hello, I'm 2603:9001:6502:4734:8559:3A7A:F0B5:D108. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Vertical bar have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thank you, 2603:9001:6502:4734:8559:3A7A:F0B5:D108 (talk) 02:21, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I am clearly not a vandal, as you can see from the fact that I have made over 20,000 edits. WP:DTTR * Pppery * it has begun... 02:26, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


About [1], I was accidentally looking at an outdated page. I just hit edit and in the wikicode I didn't notice the discussion had been closed a few hours ago. I was confused after I published my edit, but you beat me to reverting it. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

3 Vietnamese page split requestsEdit

How to redirect templatesEdit

Hi Pppery, hope you're well. Very simple question for your here if you have time - how to redirect a template? See for example this page: Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog/items - I'm having some difficulty creating a redirect (currently I'm just directly transcluding it). I'd be grateful if you could have a look so I can learn from what you've done. Cheers --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

  Done * Pppery * it has begun... 14:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


I have relieved you of some of your ugh, I hope. --Izno (talk) 00:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

No, my complaint was more that FfD has such a large backlog, and thus that my edits were necessary, not about the intricacies of updating the template. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I realized that as being most of it, hence 'some'. :P --Izno (talk) 00:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Technical Barnstar
Thank you for quickly solving a problem, one of many you have volunteered to tackle. Your work is much appreciated. Lev!vich 03:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Undid revisionEdit

Why did you undo my revision on somebody’s talk page because nobody had posted a message for 14 years and I just wanted to let visitors know. -Cupper52 (talk) 08:48, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


Just as a follow up (as I'm sure you will have noticed) I did find the culprit, fix it, and delete the redirects. Wanted to do damage control before deleting because I had zero idea where the issue was initially. Primefac (talk) 02:05, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Noinclude list and XFDCloserEdit

XFDCloser's "quickdelete" functionality on TfDs seems to put templates into holding rather than tag them for deletion. I think this is because User:Pppery/noinclude list transcludes every template there. Is there something you can do to fix that? Thanks, ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

No, that's fundamental to the way the page works (and I've received several questions about it over the years). Strange that this hasn't come up until now, given that that page has existed mostly unchanged since several months before XfDCloser was developed. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:52, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Hmm. Could be something else causing the issue. I'll cross-post this to WP:XFDcloser. Perhaps it's something that script can get around. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:56, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

template with very low usesEdit

Hi, please take a look in this category. Every template title "Template:[Year] IPL match [n]" has no more than 3/4 transclusion & in future, those template won't be transcluded into any other arctles. I think we should "subst:" them & then delete. Please take a look & nominate for deletion if necessary. Thanks. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

While I agree that, in general, single-use templates shouldn't be allowed, sports templates are far from my area of expertise, so I won't take any further action. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I nominated one for deletion. But need some kind of automatic process for others. Can't go to every page & manually tag them. I will see what i can do, may be i will use awb. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:57, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

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Template:Start dateEdit

Could you remove the TFD template from that page as well? Many thanks! Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 22:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I can't, because it's fully protected (by virtue of being used on the main page). Template talk:Start date#Fully protected edit request 4 November 2020 * Pppery * it has begun... 22:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Pppery, my apologies: I saw you left the edit request but it didn't register with me what it actually was. My mistake. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 23:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Well that's weird, I could have sworn I closed that discussion (along the same lines, mind). Done. Primefac (talk) 01:49, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Opting out of AfroCine notificationsEdit

Hey there. Would you please be able to opt me out of AfroCine talk page notifications? I'm asking because I see you have been removing users from the list on Meta, but when I tried to remove myself from the list by editing the page, it was disallowed due to a filter that called it "spam", which is ridiculous. I'm not sure why—maybe because I have (next to) no edits on Meta? I find it strange that the talk page messages from AfroCine have a note saying "You can opt-out of this annual reminder from The Afrocine Project by removing your username from this list", but when one tries—or at least when I tried—to do so, they are disallowed. Is there any way to turn off this filter for users who may not have (m)any edits on Meta having their edits filtered when they try to remove themselves from the list? I can't imagine this affects only me. Thanks. Ss112 23:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

  Done And posted at m:Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat#Abuse filter false positive. In is indeed the cased that you aren't the only one affected. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:49, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot I could check that log. Thanks for your raising this there, but I just wanted to say I'm far from a new user—I just don't use Meta. Thank you! Ss112 23:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, bad wording on my part. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:54, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for the taggingEdit

Indeed, I cannot find any evidence that the plans became reality. And I can find some against it.

In any case, the serious plans for element 119 appear to have progressively gotten delayed and delayed for about a decade by now, and 120 seems to have dropped off the radar and pushed to "after 119". So, I made some updates. Double sharp (talk) 05:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Module:Location map/data/Gilgit Baltistan/docEdit

Hello, Pppery,

I'm not sure why you want Module:Location_map/data/Gilgit-Baltistan/doc to be moved to replace the current page when it looks like it is full of error messages, at least with the scripts I have installed. It looks like the current page at this location is superior. Liz Read! Talk! 22:53, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Liz: The current page at that title is a transclusion of Module:Location map/data/Gilgit Baltistan/doc. What happened here is that Module:Location map/data/Gilgit Baltistan was moved to Module:Location map/data/Gilgit-Baltistan, including its doc page. The move of the module did not leave a redirect (since modules can't be redirects), but the move of the doc page did. I then tagged the leftover redirect for deletion as G8 (since it was documenting nothing), but before that deletion request could be actioned, the move was reverted (not moving the doc page because my deletion-tagged redirect was in the way). The reason that Module:Location_map/data/Gilgit-Baltistan/doc is erroring is that Module:Location_map/data/Gilgit-Baltistan doesn't exist, and the errors will disappear if you move the page to the correct title. The reason that the page currently there works is that it is a transclusion of the page I want moved there. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:12, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy new year and thanks!Edit

  Happy new year and thanks!
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Discussion at Template talk:No article text § TfD merge nominationEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:No article text § TfD merge nomination. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 08:19, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Need help with Module:Archive index on bnwikiEdit

Hi, i recently imported Module:Archive index on bnwiki. It works but not fully. Problem is, on bnwiki we use Bengali numeral but i think module looks for English numeral. So, instead of /সংগ্রহশালা ১ module looks for /সংগ্রহশালা 1 . Could you please tell me in which line(s) module looks for this, so i can use something like this to convert en to bn digit. This is the module on bnwiki. Please feel free to edit. Here is a test page, if it works then this page will be much more longer. Thanks. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 01:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@আফতাবুজ্জামান: I've fixed the module in bn:Special:Diff/4808569. Also note that the page you were using as a test page was calling the module incorrectly, passing the parameter |mask=/সংগ্রহশালার <#> when the pages you were trying to index were named starting with সংগ্রহশালা (with one fewer character), which prevented the page from indexing even after fixing the module. I fixed that too in bn:Special:Diff/4808571 * Pppery * it has begun... 02:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you :) --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 02:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Do you know who this is?Edit

Someone took a dislike to you[2]. Do you know who it is? --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

No, and I don't think I have anything to do with it given that their first edit wasn't to a page I have ever interacted with. It looks more like I was (un)lucky enough to make an edit at the time the vandal was active. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:34, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes, probably just some random vandalism. A couple of user talk pages got hit as well. Keep well, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


Hi Pppery! Would you have any issue with the Boston editnotice sticking around (obviously with the code that makes it appear only on April 1)? There's a good chance someone editing the Boston page some future April 1 won't have seen it yet, and they might get a small kick out of it. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 19:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I guess I have no strong objection, although I wouldn't be surprised if someone else discovers the page and tries to nominate it for deletion at some time during the intervening year. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Quick note on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletionEdit

Thanks for your edits to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion.

Where did all the April Fools' nominations go? Aasim (talk) 00:55, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

They were archived to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates/April 2021#April 1, 2021 (in a collapse box). * Pppery * it has begun... 00:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)