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Please answer these questions, by number:

1. Why 1260? What happened 1260 years later?

2. Why would this be worthy of mentioning?

3. What does "ruler" mean when applied to a Pope?

4. In which way Popes became "rulers" in 538 and why not later?

5. Also, why not earlier (and consider the Ostrogoths a temporary "issue")?

6. Could you please cite your sources? Google showed me nothing relevant.

In 1798, the state of the Pope was conquered by France (Napoleon)

1) In 538 the papacy gained it's political leadership from a decree made by Justinian. In 538 the Pope was granted an army from Rome also. In 1798 Berthier, a general of Napoleon, marched his soldiers into the Vatican and captured the Pope taking away his political power. 1260 years.

2) Religious purposes dealing with the Little Horn power of Daniel 7 and the first beast of Revelation 13.

3) and 4) The Pope became not just a Religious power but a "religio-political" power in 538 and lost the polical aspect of that power in 1798. That wound was healed in 1929 when Italy gave the political power back to the Popes. Ever wondered why in the game of chess that a Bishop is next to the king?

5) The Ostrogoths had captured Rome and were virtually destroyed in 538. They were never again a formidable foe although they have kings listed into the 550's.

6) Here are a few quotes and the publications (my sources) they are from...

“AD 538 [was] the year when the Ostrogoths collapsed. It was out of the smoking ruins of the western Roman Empire and after the overthrow of the three Arian kingdoms that the pope of Rome emerged as the most important single individual in the West, the head of a closely organized church with a carefully defined creed and with vast potential for political influence. Dozens of writers have pointed out that the real survivor of the ancient Roman Empire was the Church of Rome.” (John L. McKenzie,The Roman Catholic Church, New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1969, page 14)

"The papacy's power became supreme in Christendom in 538 AD due to a letter of the Roman emperor Justinian, known as Justinian's decree, which set up and acknowledged the bishop of Rome as the head of all churches. It gave the papacy political power, civil power as well as ecclesiastical power. This letter became part of Justinian's code, the fundamental law of the empire and the year Pope vigilius ascended the throne under the military protection of Belasarius." The History of the Christian Church, vol. 3, p. 327: (author?)

“The murder of a Frenchman in Rome in 1798 gave the French an excuse for occupying the Eternal City and putting an end to the Papal temporal power. The aged Pontiff himself was carried off into exile to Valance… The enemies of the church rejoiced. The Last Pope, they declared, had reigned.” Church History p. 24.

“In 1798 he (Berthier) made his entrance into Rome, ABOLISHED THE PAPAL GOVERNAMENT and established a secular one.” The Encyclopedia Americana, 1941 edition.

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