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OJ Simpson main article "In popular culture" section needs updating
editOn the OJ article bio, the section in the "In popular culture" section needs updating: "In 2018, it was announced Boris Kodjoe would portray Simpson in a film titled Nicole & O.J. The film was never completed." The film has been retitled The Juice and will be released in 2025, so it is no longer accurate to say the film was never completed. 92.17.197.110 (talk) 21:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Reply on 92.17.197.110's talk page ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Creating new article: Premiership of Lord Liverpool
edit@Neveselbert Please don’t mind me saying this, but, can we reserve the page “Premiership of Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool” to turn it into a actual article about the events that happened and policies that were implemented during the premiership of Lord Liverpool? I have tried to create a new article for this particular topic, but since I’m using a mobile device, I struggle bit to be accommodated to this kind of system. But the main problem is that there numerous “redirects” to the main article at Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool so it is difficult already to get a grip on what article to create. Also if the before mentioned “redirect” is turned to a new article, should we start a discussion beforehand to talk about an official title for the article as well? Thank you. Altonydean (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Altonydean. You should be able to create a draft at Draft:Premiership of Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool, which can then replace the redirect once the draft is complete. The other redirects are already categorised as {{R avoided double redirect}} to Premiership of Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool, so when the draft is complete, they can be retargeted to the new article. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay thanks @Neveselbert. Also want to ask one more question, when texts from a mother article is copied and pasted on a new article should it be paraphrased or rewritten in order to accommodate into a new version of the same article as well? And also is it okay? Altonydean (talk) 10:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Altonydean: you don't have to, just be sure to follow the instructions at WP:COPYWITHIN when doing so. As for your draft, I think you're off to a good start, although if you're looking for more in-depth feedback, I'd give Tim O'Doherty a shout; he has a great amount of experience in drafting articles in this topic area. Also, I think it would be worth notifying WT:POLUK about your discussion of a split. Best of luck, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you again @Neveselbert Altonydean (talk) 18:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Altonydean: you don't have to, just be sure to follow the instructions at WP:COPYWITHIN when doing so. As for your draft, I think you're off to a good start, although if you're looking for more in-depth feedback, I'd give Tim O'Doherty a shout; he has a great amount of experience in drafting articles in this topic area. Also, I think it would be worth notifying WT:POLUK about your discussion of a split. Best of luck, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay thanks @Neveselbert. Also want to ask one more question, when texts from a mother article is copied and pasted on a new article should it be paraphrased or rewritten in order to accommodate into a new version of the same article as well? And also is it okay? Altonydean (talk) 10:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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Draft article: nearing completion
edit@Neveselbert I have made some progress at the draft page for the Premiership of Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool and there is a lot of significant editing to be done. But fortunately, much of the hard stuff has been overcome and I can finish the article in a few days. Just wanted to thank you again for your support. Also can you fix this for me: [1] Altonydean (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Altonydean, I think you've done a great job. Just to let you know, {{Split from}} should be included on the talkpage, rather than on the page itself. In the meantime, you can add {{Draft article}} in its place and submit it for review once you feel it's ready. I'll have a look at fixing that reference. All the best, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Theakston, Kevin (March 2013). "Evaluating Prime-Ministerial Performance: The British Experience". Oxford Academic.
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Complete: submitted for review
edit@Neveselbert the draft is complete and only one section needs expansion, which I hope other editors might consider extending. Nevertheless, it is almost complete and I have submitted it for review just like you instructed. Thank you so much for your help and assistance. Altonydean (talk) 10:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're very welcome, Altonydean. Now that the article is live, Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool § Premiership (1812–1827) needs cutting down significantly, similar to how John Major was split into Premiership of John Major. I'm not sure whether to remove the subsections myself as I haven't got round to reading the entire new article, so do you think you could have a look to see that all relevant material is included in Premiership of Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool, in order for the section to be trimmed down? All the best, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Unexpected changes
edit@Neveselbert I admire your abilities and your willingness to help in creating the article for Lord Liverpool Premiership article. Since which I hold in the highest of regard and respect for your advice. But following your recent changes to the main article about Lord Liverpool, which saw countless amounts of content removed just to include it in the premiership section isn’t how I envisioned you would made the improvements. And also, since I specifically didn’t understood what kind of changes you proposed (I was off due to some medication) therefore I think that I would need to revert the edit you made and ask another or several editors about this particular kind of process. Thank you. Altonydean (talk) 06:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Altonydean: thank you for your kind words. Regarding the recent edits, the content removed from the main article was already included verbatim in the premiership article, making it duplicative. According to WP:ANOTHER, this process is recommended to avoid redundancy. Now that the content has been restored, it ought to be significantly cut down in line with WP:SYNC to maintain proper synchronisation between the articles. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:00, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I understand @Neveselbert. But these days I’m taking a certain serious medication for an illness of mine and I won’t be able to edit as frequently anymore. But however, I do appreciate your efforts and your help is as always highly valued by me and as well as the wider Wikipedia community. I think, that since the new article for Lord Liverpool has the same information about his premiership, we should expand the content in the new article instead of cutting down the original content. Like, we can expand and write additional information about events and policies that happened and were implemented during his tenure as prime minister that is not mentioned in the original article. This is my opinion and we should have a wider discussion about this if we are to avoid future conflicts. Altonydean (talk) 20:00, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also @Neveselbert can you re-include more content on the original page? It severely lacks information on certain important topics and areas of history significance. At least include three paragraphs or more paragraphs about sections like on economic policy, liberal policy or dissent and repression perhaps? It also need more contextual information on the foreign policy section as well in the original article. As always good luck and keep going. Altonydean (talk) 20:07, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Adding more content to the parent article at this stage might lead to unnecessary duplication and confusion. Once the child article is more detailed, we can then summarise and include the most relevant information in the parent article. This way, we maintain clarity and coherence across both articles. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Altonydean: I understand, and I appreciate your continued efforts despite your current circumstances. I've removed the duplicative content from the main article and replaced each section with the most relevant paragraphs excerpted from the premiership article using {{Excerpt#Replacing summary section with excerpt of child article}}. This is a temporary solution until we can better summarise these topics in the main article without duplicating content. We can certainly discuss expanding the premiership article further, but for now, this ensures clarity and avoids redundancy. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok @Neveselbert but please do not mind me saying this, I think we need a bit more expansion on the original page. I mean like two paragraphs is not enough to summarise any of the important measures Lord Liverpool took in terms of economic or social policy initiatives. I think it needs three more detailed or in-depth information other than simple reductions. Foreign affairs are also important and needs more detail as of the current revision. But I always do support new ideas and proposals, but this seems a bit unprecedented due to the fact that I have previously stated that I would return to editing after my brief interval of rest so I can expand the new article on premiership. Again, I do wholeheartedly agree with many of your points and although at least consider my suggestion to expand a bit on the suggested article sections in the main Lord Liverpool article. Good luck and thanks for your reply. Altonydean (talk) 20:43, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also @Neveselbert can you re-include more content on the original page? It severely lacks information on certain important topics and areas of history significance. At least include three paragraphs or more paragraphs about sections like on economic policy, liberal policy or dissent and repression perhaps? It also need more contextual information on the foreign policy section as well in the original article. As always good luck and keep going. Altonydean (talk) 20:07, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I understand @Neveselbert. But these days I’m taking a certain serious medication for an illness of mine and I won’t be able to edit as frequently anymore. But however, I do appreciate your efforts and your help is as always highly valued by me and as well as the wider Wikipedia community. I think, that since the new article for Lord Liverpool has the same information about his premiership, we should expand the content in the new article instead of cutting down the original content. Like, we can expand and write additional information about events and policies that happened and were implemented during his tenure as prime minister that is not mentioned in the original article. This is my opinion and we should have a wider discussion about this if we are to avoid future conflicts. Altonydean (talk) 20:00, 23 August 2024 (UTC)