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Cocaine use

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Shouldn't the many references to Dubya and coke allegations be mentioned? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-seery/the-bush-cocaine-chronicl_b_37786.html

I do believe so. Lukasus7 (talk) 23:31, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Removed sentence about favorability rankings

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I removed the sentence "Although he ended his term with low approval ratings, public opinion of him has increased since his term ended." as the attached reference did not appear to support this claim. GWB's favorability rankings appear (according to this ref) to have maintained an overall consistency since he left office - while seeing a slight uptick it has leveled back to where it has been. I've removed this until another reference can be found that more clearly states that public opinion has increased since the end of his term. Garchy (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2017

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San lupe 200.239.1.147 (talk) 21:13, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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|- ! colspan="3" style="border-top: 5px solid #cfc;" | U.S. order of precedence (ceremonial) |- style="text-align:center;"

|style="width:30%;" rowspan="1"|Preceded by

as Former President

| style="width: 40%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1"| Order of Precedence of the United States
as Former President

| style="width: 30%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1"| Succeeded by

as Former President

|- |} 2607:FEA8:20E0:6C3:80C9:E3C5:6DE0:AA2B (talk) 19:27, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP (talk • contribs) 21:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Quality of the article

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This article has photos, but I'm uncertain whether removing some photos would affect the article. I can do without a photo of Bush with Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi and a 2008 photo of him with an Indian foreign minister. I added File:Bush meets Pranab Mukherjee.jpg to India–United States relations but haven't removed it yet from bio.

Lots of news articles are used as inline references. I've not seen one book used as a source yet. Subpages related to George Jr. already exist, yet there are so many (or too many) details about his Presidency and policies. --George Ho (talk) 00:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

You're right. There are a ton of books about him... I might add a few over the next few days — Iadmc♫talk  08:34, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Article on Bush twins - merge or restore?

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I have closed a lengthy discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 11#Jenna and Barbara Bush regarding a former article and a series of redirects concerning George W. Bush's twin daughters. The former article and redirects now point to the Family and personal life section of this article. There has been some discussion about the content of the former article, whether it would be appropriate to restore and improve that article, or use some of its content to merge into this article. I am opening this discussion to gather opinions of editors familiar with this topic.

For the content of the former article, please see this revision, or this one restored more recently for the RfD discussion. There is also old discussion at Talk:Jenna and Barbara Bush.

Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:27, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2017

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Bush did 9/11 170.177.213.69 (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Discuss 22:58, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Military Service

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Propose to change from the national guard units to USAF, maybe with these as sub bullets after it. As a National Guardsman he was first and foremost an Air Force officer, and this is what should be represented first. Garuda28 (talk) 01:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

He worked after leaving CCC

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2018

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Could the categories Category:Converts to Methodism and Category:Former Anglicans be replaced with Category:Converts to Methodism from Anglicanism? Thanks, 142.161.81.20 (talk) 09:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

  Done - as it is a more specific, lower-level, category included as a sub-cat in both the two removed - Arjayay (talk) 14:38, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Yale University

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"He attended Yale University (coincidentally located at his place of birth in New Haven, Connecticut) from 1964 to 1968" It's not coincidental. He was born during his father's college years attended Yale, and his father attended Yale because his father, Prescott, attended Yale. It's not a coincidence; rather, an entrenched legacy of the Bush family attending Yale University. Please remove the parenthetical.128.135.98.153 (talk) 22:49, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2018

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These categories should be added due to the fact Bush was convicted of war crimes in absentia:

This source shows why he was, despite not being in jail yet [1] 166qq (talk) 01:48, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

  Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 15:12, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Uh, I'd reconsider that, L293D. AFAICT, nobody takes the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission seriously. It's political theatre, and I don't think this or the related Cheney request should be performed. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
See also the related edits this account made, reverted by Ohnoitsjamie, under much the same rationale. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:21, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I undid my edit until there is consensus. L293D (☎ • ✎) 15:22, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
He was banned from entering Venezuela like Cheney [2]. Maybe that can be added as a category Category:Excluded people. --166qq (talk) 18:39, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Category:Excluded people is very much a non-defining category here (as are Category:American people convicted of war crimes and Category:People convicted in absentia for reasons given by Amory above). I'm sure it's common that many former world leaders are excluded from countries they had poor relations with - countries that they would never have any intentions of visiting anyway. At best it is an empty symbolic act and it is entirely irrelevant in the context of a biography of a world leader. Deli nk (talk) 19:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
  Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Feel free to continue this discussion until consensus is reached. —KuyaBriBriTalk 18:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

War crimes

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Bush has also been accused of war crimes after the Iraq invasion, including being convicted in absentia and possibilities that he may be unable to visit Europe due to fears that he could end up in the International Criminal Court at the Hague in Netherlands.[1][2] In 2011, he cancelled his trip to Switzerland due to risks of legal action against him for "alleged torture".[3] In 2015, he was banned from entering Venezuela and accused of "committing terrorism and grave human rights violations" when he was in office.[4] Desmond Tutu has also called for him and Tony Blair to be taken to the Hague over the Iraq War and accused him of lying to get rid of Saddam Hussein.[5][6]

I’ve noticed Bush was accused of war crimes started in Iraq based off of lies. Is there anywhere in the article I can add my statement? —166qq (talk) 22:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC) 166qq (talk) 22:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia". Foreign Policy Journal. May 12, 2012.
  2. ^ "Are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney unable to visit Europe due to threat of arrest?". PolitiFact. July 17, 2014.
  3. ^ "Bush's Swiss visit off after complaints on torture". Reuters. February 5, 2011.
  4. ^ "Bush, Cheney banned from Venezuela". USA Today. March 4, 2015.
  5. ^ "Desmond Tutu calls for Blair and Bush to be tried over Iraq". BBC Online. September 2, 2012.
  6. ^ "Why I had no choice but to spurn Tony Blair". The Guardian. September 1, 2012.

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2018

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Can I please edit? 71.187.8.4 (talk) 13:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Does anyone think the foreign policy section is too long?

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I personally don't but apparently over 30kB is a sin against man. - Informant16 23:32, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Grammar error

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There's a missing word in the first sentence of the second paragraph. "Bush was born New Haven, Connecticut, and grew up in Texas." Should say "Bush was born IN New Haven..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.120.112.49 (talk) 03:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for the suggestion. Deli nk (talk) 11:28, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

George H.W. Bush hatnote

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Should this article have a tag saying "Not to be confused with George H.W. Bush" at the top of the article? Vorbee (talk) 08:46, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

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Please link to George Bush (disambiguation).

Change 

{{about|the 43rd President of the United States|his father, the 41st President|George H. W. Bush}}
This article is about the 43rd President of the United States. For his father, the 41st President, see George H. W. Bush.

to 

{{about|the 43rd President of the United States|his father, the 41st President|George H. W. Bush|other people|George Bush (disambiguation)}}
This article is about the 43rd President of the United States. For his father, the 41st President, see George H. W. Bush. For other people, see George Bush (disambiguation).

Since there are other people "W." who are George Bushes.

-- 65.94.40.222 (talk) 07:24, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

  Done Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 18:12, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Confusion with death‎ of his father George H. W. Bush

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I just heard on the radio that he died. Redostone35 (talk) 12:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

  Attention! Note: George W. Bush and George H. W. Bush are two different people not the same person Thanks. EllaCyclone (talk) 12:52, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request for putting a date of death for George bush

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Hello, according to the guardian newspaper George bush died today at 1/12/18. Thanks. 92.98.44.108 (talk) 09:41, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: Wrong George Bush: George H. W. Bush died, not his son George W. Bush. --Pipetricker (talk) 14:20, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2018

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Please add death date. 46.227.111.200 (talk) 14:04, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: Wrong George Bush: George H. W. Bush died, not his son George W. Bush. --Pipetricker (talk) 14:20, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2018

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died:30th November 2018 (aged 94) Muzzkingalex (talk) 10:51, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: Wrong George Bush: George H. W. Bush died, not his son George W. Bush. --Pipetricker (talk) 11:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2018

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Death: November 30 2018 Noblekumar (talk) 09:11, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

  Not done - That was his dad. Dubya is still kicking. A2soup (talk) 10:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Typo

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Edit request: in the hangin' with Michelle Obama section, it says invents rather than events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:1400:3CF3:F55C:C48B:1038:1D5A (talk) 06:02, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Fixed. --Pipetricker (talk) 11:21, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2019

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Bush was a rugby union player and was on Yale's 1st XV under the coaching of Jack Farman, assistant professor of radiology at Yale University. [1] [2] [3] 68.196.72.148 (talk) 17:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. B dash (talk) 05:12, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.yalerfc.com/history
  2. ^ https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2006/03/02/bush-68-last-line-of-defense/
  3. ^ https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/features/17591/greg-tesser-the-unlikely-love-of-rugby-among-us-politicians/

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2019

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He was said to be the best president of all time! 103.99.75.96 (talk) 06:36, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Þjarkur (talk) 11:42, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Reword legacy sentences of lede

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I don't like the way the the last couple sentences of the lede are written. At present, the lede reads

His presidency has been ranked among the worst in historians' polls that were published in the late 2000s and 2010s. However, his favorability ratings with the public have improved significantly after leaving office

I think there needs to be some note that, while he's viewed more favorably than he was during the Obama years, he's still viewed as a well-below average president. I proposed a change to the following but was reverted:

Bush has consistently been rated as a below-average president: his presidency has been ranked among the worst in historians' polls that were published in the late 2000s and 2010s, but his favorability ratings with the public have improved after leaving office.

pbp 15:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Support this change
  1. pbp 15:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Oppose this change
  1. The current version accurately summarizes what is in the article. Per policy, the lede should reflect and summarize the article text, not add new information, and the added text is not in the article. The only thing adding this text does is emphasize he was bad, which is already summarized by "ranked among the worst". It adds nothing. Toa Nidhiki05 02:21, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Discussion

@Toa Nidhiki05: Are you going to participate in this discussion? If not, I'm going to change it to my revision. Also, using a Twinkle revert on an established user is generally frowned upon. pbp 02:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot about this. No reason to be hostile about it. Thanks for your patience. Toa Nidhiki05 02:21, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion - lede refs

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The prevailing convention is to exclude references in the ledes of the presidents. This may be advisable when FA nom is contemplated.Hoppyh (talk) 02:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

George W. listed at Redirects for discussion

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Ex girlfriend

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In the sentence currently listed at note 35, is it necessary to mention one ex-girlfriend from fifty years ago, by name? It seems unimportantPurplethree (talk) 14:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Fortunate Son

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Please include a like to the typologic lemma Fortunate Son - for George Walker really was that typologic 'fortunate son' type --87.123.143.186 (talk) 22:01, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

he was old and he was a pesident — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.97.25.66 (talk) 20:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Redundant

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From the lead:

"... to distinguish him from his father, George H. W. Bush, who served as the 41st president from 1989 to 1993.
Bush is the eldest son of Barbara and George H. W. Bush, the 41st president of the United States..."

Seems a bit redundant, no? 216.8.143.101 (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

216.8.143.101, thank you for raising your question on the matter of possible redundancy. I do find it to be rather redundant, and the question I have about it is whether we really should have the nicknames listed in the lead. We already have the above message, This article is about the 43rd president of the United States. For his father, the 41st president, see George H. W. Bush. We also have a brief list of nicknames that according to the lead distinguish him from the 41st president, and then we read that he is the son of GHWB. I am inclined to remove them, although I do see a need for mentioning his common nicknames. I think a better alternative would be to put a footnote next to the bolded name, George Walker Bush, that would describe his nicknames for the sake of disambiguation while still keeping the lead uncluttered. If no one objects to this idea, I will probably proceed with the change. GaɱingFørFuɲ365 20:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Afghanistan Invasion

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This sentence should be removed:

In 2002, based on UNICEF figures, Nicholas Kristof reported that "our invasion of Afghanistan may end up saving one million lives over the next decade" as the result of improved healthcare and greater access to humanitarian aid.

It's a single source from 2002 in an OPINION column, made by a journalist, not any kind of expert in estimating death rates. It distorts the facts of the war, and I don't see any argument for why this random person's 2002 opinion is notable. AlleyRegent69 (talk) 13:07, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Are there any arguments for leaving the op-ed? AlleyRegent69 (talk) 13:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

"W. Bush" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"W Bush" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"W bush" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"W. bush" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020

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"He also launch the Iraq War in 2003" -> "He also launched the Iraq War in 2003" 146.199.51.78 (talk) 11:02, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

  Done. Thanks for pointing it out. Glen 11:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

verb tense

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Also, Bush neither attend the 2012, nor the 2016 Republican National Conventions where Romney and Trump -> Also, Bush neither attended the 2012, nor the 2016.. 75.76.234.198 (talk) 04:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I fixed it. Thank you. -- Calidum 05:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Lede on reception should be reworked

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Although historians initially rated him as one of the worst (4th quartile), most recent ones have ranked him in the third quartile, which is below-average rather than one of the worst. Specifically, CSPAN 2017, APSA 2018, and Siena 2018 ranked him 33rd, 30th, and 33rd, respectively. Certainly below-average, but not in the worst overall tier. The lede should probably be updated to reflect this, since it primarily relies on older surveys. Toa Nidhiki05 02:52, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 00:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2020

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In 2018 Will Ferrell did george w bush again TheRealJavon (talk) 19:25, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 22:17, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2020

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Change "Yale College" in the 4th sentence of the 2nd paragraph to "Yale University" The fact he want to Yale University is supported later in this same article under Alma Mater. Wholedonut (talk) 04:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

  Done RudolfRed (talk) 17:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Well no,, Yale University has many units. He only attended one of them, Yale College, so we should be specific. Rjensen (talk) 17:23, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2021

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He was born into the Bush family: his father, George H. W. Bush, was the late 41st president of the United States from 1989 to 1993. 2601:2C3:680:3310:5C84:3AB9:E708:4ACC (talk) 03:38, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

  Not done: I don't think the fact that his father is dead is pertinent information that needs to be added into the lead paragraph, and adding it in as you did makes the sentence clunky and harder to read. Volteer1 (talk) 04:50, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2021 (2)

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As the eldest son of the dearly departed Barbara and George H. W. Bush, he is the second son of a former United States president to himself become president, with the first being John Quincy Adams, the son of John Adams. 2601:2C3:680:3310:5C84:3AB9:E708:4ACC (talk) 03:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

  Not done: We don't really use euphemisms like "dearly departed" (see: WP:EUPHEMISM), on top of "dearly" probably being a NPOV issue. Regardless, that his parents are dead I don't think is particularly pertinent information that needs to be included in the lead. Volteer1 (talk) 04:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

"A lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs" --WP:MOSLEAD

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Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section says "As a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs and be carefully sourced as appropriate."

The lead of this article is far too long. I am not going to edit the page (I still have setting myself on fire as a less painful option) but could you who are working on this page please come to an agreement on a lead that is a reasonable length? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:44, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Guy Macon, you may be retired but the lead section has now been condensed. --Wow (talk) 02:26, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021

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He was the son of George Herbert walker bush from 1989-1993 he was from 2002-2003-04 the were family members in the bush family tree 🌲 there number president was 41-43 Barbara bush died in the year with husband died in 2018 then dead in his museum 47.138.36.205 (talk) 21:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 15 (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to not merge. The events already listed in Security incidents involving George W. Bush could be expanded in addition to merging Bush shoeing incident into the page. Wow (talk) 00:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC); edited 05:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

The Security incidents involving George W. Bush page should be merged into the security incidents section as it is too short to warrant its own page. Furthermore, the Flight 93 incident on there has nothing to do with Bush as he was in Florida and not Washington, D.C. like Cheney was. --Wow (talk) 20:04, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose Bush’s article is already extremely long. Making it even longer would be counterproductive. DogsRNice (talk) 21:44, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

new category

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I have created a new category, "Children who followed their parents as heads of state". George W. Bush fits the criteria. But Editor Drdpw feels that the article has too many categories and that this category is trivial. Many feel Wikipedia is becoming a hostile environment. I want this to be an exception. What the majority chooses will be acceptable with me. Pete unseth (talk) 14:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

People that hold a different opinion on a topic or question are not automatically "hostile". If you're going to lead with such a basic strawman argument, then you're kinda creating your own hostility here. ValarianB (talk) 15:25, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Sorry!! I did not in any way mean to call Drdpw hostile. I was just talking about Wikipedia in general. Trying (tho not fully successfully) to set a peaceful tone in this discussion. I will accept the view of majority with no complaints. Pete unseth (talk) 15:39, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
@Pete unseth: You might consider revising your post at Talk:John Quincy Adams as well, or even removing it altogether, so as to avoid there being multiple discussions on the subject. Drdpw (talk) 21:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Ok, glad that's cleared. As for the category, I believe the problem is that it is not, in Wikipedia terminology, a "defining category", in that it isn't important to group them together. Is it a notable part of Bush Jr.'s, Kim Jong-un's, and Trudeau's biographies that their fathers were also heads of state? Of course. Does a grouping together of an American neoconservative, a brutal North Korean dictator, and a rakishly handsome Canadian Prime Minister on the basis of parentage of importance or usefulness to the reader? Not so much, in my opinion. ValarianB (talk) 18:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Like ValarianB said, the category you created is not a defining category, and there are already numerous defining categories connected with this article. I also question how important or useful such a categorization is for the wiki, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion. Suffice it to say that, IMO, it is neither useful nor important to this page. Drdpw (talk) 21:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Bush Gaffe

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I disagree that the gaffe is not notable. This gaffe centers around the war that defined Bush's presidency and the gaffe has been referred to as the "Freudian slip of the century" by Andrew Stroehlein, the European media director of Human Rights Watch. X-Editor (talk) 20:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

The gaffe doesn't "center around the war that defined Bush's presidency." The gaffe centers around the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That may be Andrew Stroehlein's personal opinion, but that on its own does not make it very notable. Try this test: in ten years, do you think anyone is going to care about Bush mixing up the names "Ukraine" and "Iraq" one time in a news interview that had zero impact on any policy decisions or actions? Do you think anyone is going to care about it in 5 years? In 1 year? In one month? It's trivia, and is going to need a lot more evidence of notability than one person's stated personal opinion. It has no notability to the life biography of George W. Bush. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 00:12, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
This gaffe, like most newsworthy events in the life of GWB, is not significant in the grand scheme of his life. This is a life biography article, not a collection point for news-of-the-day stories about what GWB says or does. It's for significant life events, and this is not one of them. That said, there is an appropriate article for this embarrassing Freudian slip to be documented – Bushism, which is dedicated to GWBs unconventional statements, phrases, Freudian slips, etc.; in fact, this incident is covered there. Drdpw (talk) 00:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Fair enough. I think it makes more sense to feature in the Bushisms article. X-Editor (talk) 00:45, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

ISIS plot

Latest comment: 1 year ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Should we include the latest news of a foiled ISIS assassination plot against Bush? Sources: MSN, Bloomberg, The Hill, Forbes. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:12, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

No (WP:NOTNEWS). This was a scheme in the early planning stage, not an imminent threat. While newsworthy, it is not significant in the grand scheme of GWB's life. Had the planning advanced and become an imminent threat, then yes, it would have been significant and noteworthy. Drdpw (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
I say included a mention, as how can something be both "newsworthy" and "not significant"?! Mathmo Talk 18:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
The plot is mentioned at List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots#George W. Bush, which is where it belongs. As it didn't progress to the point of implementation, the plot really has no place in this biographical article. Drdpw (talk) 18:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2022

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There is some info that you forgot about George W. Bush, I will edit his approval numbers since he left office, can I edit it? Jack2.0Fan (talk) 21:38, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:58, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Minor edits

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“Painted many paintings” sounds horrible. This section needs reworked:

“One of his best known project is a collection of 43 painting of immigrants, titled Out of Many, One. Another painting project was Portraits of Courage: A Commander in Chief's Tribute To America's Warrior.” 2603:6010:3206:A41F:6836:F521:DC31:52CA (talk) 04:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

"Painted many paintings" sounds 'basic' to me, but I agree that it can be changed. MasterWolf0928-Æthelwulf (talk) 17:40, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

no WMDs were ever found in Iraq

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A sentence in the lead says "He also ordered the 2003 invasion of Iraq, claiming that Saddam Hussein's regime possessed weapons of mass destruction; this led to Hussein's eventual overthrow and capture by U.S. forces."

Why is the fact there were no WMDs found in Iraq not included? This gives the assumption in the lead that there were WMDs found, which is untrue. 79.66.92.93 (talk) 12:31, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

The sentence could stand some refining, but there are limits to what we do to avoid readers inferring that which isn't stated as fact. The word claiming should be clear enough that it's not an assertion. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:52, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
The important fact that needs to be put out there in the lead section is that he ordered the invasion based on the belief (as the article now states) that the Hussein regime possessed WMDs. The fact that no WMDs were found is not so important a fact that it needs to be included in the lead. The new wording should be clear enough that readers will pause before making the assumption there were WMDs found, as indeed they were not. Any lingering confusion about whether or not WMDs were found in Iraq would certainly be cleared up by the time a reader finishes the article.Drdpw (talk) 01:11, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

No mention of his war crimes.

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Bush and his office were convicted of over 300 war crimes and not once is this mentioned anywhere. His actions displaced 38 million ppl in just Iraq and Afghanistan. 1/3 of all deaths were Cillian casualties.. why is none of this mentioned? 2600:8802:B16:A100:72D1:4519:D33F:44CB (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source for 'convicted of over 300 war crimes'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:39, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Can someone find his Texas governor portrait to put on 2000 election?

Latest comment: 11 months ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Can someone help? JustYourAveragePoliticsGeek (talk) 23:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

JustYourAveragePoliticsGeek, it does not appear that the official portraits of Texas governors are in the public domain. If you look at List of governors of Texas, you will see that none of the recent governors have official portraits. If you read the file talk page for the Dolph Briscoe portrait, you can find some interesting information from the Texas State Library. Cullen328 (talk) 00:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
theres one on https://americanhistory.si.edu/american-presidency/resources/presidents/george-w-bush but i cant find copyright JustYourAveragePoliticsGeek (talk) 21:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
According to the website, anything that's free to use will be tagged CC-0, and that image isn't. It says in a caption that it's from the Texas Office of the Governor, and that website says "all photographs and videos are copyrighted and may not be used without permission", so this one is a no-go, unfortunately. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:15, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit dispute: motivation for war on terror

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There is a dispute about this text in the "war on terror" section:

On September 20, Bush announced a global war on terror to a Joint Session of Congress. The Afghan Taliban regime was not forthcoming with Osama bin Laden, so Bush ordered the invasion of Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban regime.[1]

References

  1. ^ "Transcript of President Bush's address to a joint session of Congress on Thursday night, September 20, 2001". CNN. September 20, 2001. Archived from the original on February 25, 2008. Retrieved June 23, 2009.

The text underlined and in purple was removed by HiLo48 and restored by Ethans1234. I removed it again because challenged statements about living persons are required to be cited inline and Ethans1234 didn't provide a citation, but instead asserted in their edit summary that this is something they know to be true, which these days I take as a red flag for unsupportable personal opinion. In a tirade on my talk page Ethans1234 insisted that the source at the end of the sentence supported this statement. The source is a transcript of Bush's September 20 address to Congress (a primary source) in which he delivered his ultimatum to the Taliban. The speech really only supports the first sentence here, the rest needs additional sourcing, which I think can be pulled from United States invasion of Afghanistan. However, the speech is already covered in the "September 11, 2001" section immediately above this, and the Afghanistan invasion is covered in the section below, so a lot of this is redundant. I suggest replacing those first two sentences with this:

In Bush's September 20 speech, he declared that "our war on terror begins with Al Qaeda, but it does not end there."[1][2] In his 2002 State of the Union address ....

References

  1. ^ "Transcript of President Bush's address to a joint session of Congress on Thursday night, September 20, 2001". CNN. September 20, 2001. Archived from the original on February 25, 2008. Retrieved June 23, 2009.
  2. ^ Malkasian, Carter (2021). The American War in Afghanistan: A History. Oxford University Press. p. 56. ISBN 978-0197550779.

Thoughts? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:58, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

That would be simpler, to the point, and really, as much as we can say in Wikipedia voice. It was the word "so" in the original wording that triggered my edit. That implies that we know what Bush was thinking. We know what he publicly said. We know what he did. But we cannot know WHY he did it. Many have suggested he had other, unstated reasons. We don't talk about that here either. HiLo48 (talk) 23:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
It's been 12 days with no further input, so I've gone ahead and made the edit. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

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The navbox for the Republican Party is present twice. Once direct—{{Republican Party (United States)}}— and once trough a redirect—{{USRepPresNominees}}—, changed into a redirect on 24 November 2008. Sugest to remove the redirect. -- 82.217.242.77 (talk) 15:38, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

  Done WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

The Taliban's "refusal" to hand over Bin Laden

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"The Taliban's leader, Mullah Omar, refused to hand over bin Laden." It is worth mentioning after this sentence that the Taliban changed their mind and did offer to hand over Bin Laden later after a week of bombing under the condition that the handoff be mediated by a third country. The US refused this offer.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5 LaserViking (talk) 18:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

That was a plea for the bombing to stop if they passed Bin Laden to a third country that would harbor him and never "come under pressure from the United States." It was also offered only by divulging intelligence to the enemy about bin laden's involvement and exposing intelligence networks. Was a political ploy at the time. Also bin laden was not in custody at the time so the credibility was already dubious at best. 2603:6000:B202:B000:B03E:4685:9E45:169B (talk) 01:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Military service of George W Bush

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He did NOT serve in World War 2 That was his father. 24.237.159.219 (talk) 05:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

The article doesn't say he did... ~ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:14, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

2004 election results

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“Bush was narrowly reelected president” - this is not true He won the electoral and popular vote Remove this unfactual statement 2601:584:101:B0D0:81F:6831:7064:3DD5 (talk) 01:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Your statement has nothing to do with whether it was "narrow" or not. Try again. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 02:05, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Additional information regarding PEPFAR in lead.

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Currently there has been a recent addition to the mention of PEPFAR in the lead of the article as: "PEPFAR was vital in saving the lives of 25 million people suffering from HIV/AIDS over the course of following two decades, greatly alleviating the severity of the HIV/AIDS epidemic, especially in Sub-Saharan Africa". While all of that information, is of course, true, such additional information is more warranted to be mentioned in the subheading related to PEPFAR. Comparatively, Even presidents like Lyndon B. Johnson and FDR do not have additional information regarding the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Social Security in their respective leads. Given this, the additional sentence regarding PEPFAR in the lead should probably be moved to the subheading relating to it. LosPajaros (talk) 00:58, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I have shortened the coverage in the lede (also removing a WP:PEACOCK term) and moved some updated details down to the existing PEPFAR section.
Given the coverage in the article body and the fact that a RS is now calling it "George W. Bush’s greatest accomplishment", I think a brief mention in the intro is warranted per WP:LEDE. Regards, HaeB (talk) 04:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2023

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Request to add

under

. 223.25.74.34 (talk) 13:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

  Not done: The war and various aspects of it are already linked-to in the article and several of its current assortment of navboxes and infoboxes. Drdpw (talk) 16:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Portrait

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I get putting the old portrait of Queen Elizabeth II when she died, but George is very much alive and much older than depicted. 2.135.64.192 (talk) 16:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The usual issue with this is finding an image that is free to use. Since the one currently in use acceptably depicts the subject and is free to use, our non-free content criteria say we can't replace it with something else unless it's also free to use. If you know of one, feel free to propose it here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Gaffe

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Wouldn't it be relevant to include this gaffe, or a transcript of it? 78.151.136.56 (talk) 16:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

No, it is not noteworthy. Drdpw (talk) 17:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
It's been covered by many news sources, so how is it not? 78.151.136.56 (talk) 15:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Media coverage alone does not make an event or (mis)statement notable for inclusion in a biological article. The gaffe you note has had no effect on him or the public perception of him, and so has no place in this article. Drdpw (talk) 16:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
And how is that decided? Maybe public perception did change? Is there a gauge of some kind? I mean, it's not like his numerous, usually comic, gaffes weren't documented, in the past mostly... with this one he's literally admitted something about one of the earliest 21st century wars that still has repercussions, and it's supposed to mean nothing? No, media coverage should absolutely be what qualifies inclusion... whole point of notability in the first place. His past comic gaffes had no implication on anything as serious as a war, so if anything. (But I noticed it's mentioned on their article, so, I guess, as long as it's linked...) 78.151.136.56 (talk) 17:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
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