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Fahim Rahim edit

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Advertisement (and possible self-written resume) of an unnotable kidney doctor and small scale philanthropist. Article itself was written by one User:Khocon, a sockpuppeteer. We also have an article for Fahim's brother which might also be worthy of deletion. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This BLP appears to be highly PROMO, written by a blocked sockpuppet, and reads more like a resume to promote themselves and their business. While the subject has won some awards, it's unclear if any of them are notable. According to ANYBIO, we may have to keep the BLP if any of the awards are significant. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mughal conquest of Baglana edit

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Another WP:OR because there's no mention of "Siege of Baglana" or "Mughal conquest of Baglana" in the sources. Also it lacks notability as only found a line around this event, that "Aurangzeb easily overran the kingdom". Based Kashmiri (talk) 18:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I support the deletion request for this article, as I couldn't find any sources on the internet. I think that this article should be deleted unless there is more sources. Eason Y. Lu (talk) 22:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Merge to Shah_Jahan#Early_military_campaigns. Two reliable sources from John F. Richards and Munis Faruqui, also a historian but these two do not have any coverage on the battle or siege. One line that says that an Expedition was sent to Balgana and the kingdom was easily ran over and the kingdom became a vassal and this is not enough to warrant a standalone full fledged page. Maybe best for merge under military campaigns of Shah Jahan. All other sources fail reliability as they are translation of primary sources. RangersRus (talk) 11:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Moxiie edit

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Fails WP:MUSIC. All of her songs are self-published and appear to have received very little attention from reliable sources. Search results for her stage name are almost exclusively the songs themselves or her social media, and results for her legal name largely pertain to her career as a makeup artist. Majora4 (talk) 23:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The two archived MTV sources (both a small paragraph each) are about all there is. I can't find anything now, 10+ years later. I don't think the singer made any critical waves; no album reviews, no charted singles. Oaktree b (talk) 23:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - this article is a mess.

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List of Fantastic Beasts characters edit

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There are two big issues: Firstly, there's no citations outside of the one character that already has his own page, Newt Scamander. Secondly, this is for a three-film series - so not really a huge body of work - and, outside of the main four or five characters, there's one or two sentences for each person. Worse, the articles on the films have cast lists with one or two sentence descriptions of the characters, so it's redundant as well (The main characters' longer bits just being the plot summaries of the films). Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 23:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Meets WP:CSC #2, no argument for deletion made that cannot be remedied by editing. Jclemens (talk) 04:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it rises to the level of notability where it can ever be sourced. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 04:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These articles a little weird if we are trying to go by consistency. List of Harry Potter characters exists, but that is for characters who appeared in any of the books, which a lot of these do not and are not mentioned in that article. There is also List of Fantastic Beasts cast members which compliments List of Harry Potter cast members (a featured list.) Maybe it might be beneficial to merge the two Fantastic Beasts articles since the cast members one is well sourced, while this one is not. Aspects (talk) 15:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not objecting to Fantastic Beasts having multiple articles, but the number of secondary articles on it seems vastly out of line with the material. Fantastic Beasts (film series) and the three film articles are sensible enough, Newt Scamander seems to have enough independant coverage - and crossover content between various things - that it's justified, but when you get to a list of the characters, and a cast list as a table without any context, it feels both redundant and weird. It feels like the cast list should be at the end of the article on the series, and the character list... well... it's really hard to see why that exists at all if this article the most we can come up with, and I don't think anything in it isn't in the cast sections of the articles for each film; indeed, I think those may be doing a slightly better job.

Harry Potter isn't a good guide to what should exist here, as that was a much, much bigger phenomenon than its spinoff, and, as a book series, had both a lot more characters than could plausibly fit in a plot summary and a lot more development and recurrence of minor characters (and Rowling talked a lot more about the development of those characters in interviews). Films just don't have the depth of books, and, if there's material about secondary characters that got left out of the films, as far as I'm aware, it's not reported on.

And, of course, Harry Potter in particular had a lot more secondary sources that went into detail about every character; Fantastic Beasts doesn't have anything like that depth of coverage. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 15:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I feel there has to be a merge target as an WP:ATD for this. The one suggested above seems less intuitive than if the main article had a characters section. Perhaps each individual film should have a characters section? Conyo14 (talk) 04:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They already do, is the thing, with one or two sentence descriptions of the characters. And it covers pretty much all the information on this page except for the main cast, who are redundant to the plot summary. If I've missed that one doesn't appear, by all means copy it over. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 13:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge with List of Fantastic Beasts cast members. I think there is enough to write about these characters, both as a group and individually, based on pop culture sources like [1], [2], and scholarly sources like here and many others. While it is indeed a problem that there are almost no references, this can easily be addressed through normal editing by using such secondary non-independent book-length sources like Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them: Character Guide or Harry Potter: Characters of the Wizarding World. The latter also sets a precedent for a possible merge with List of Harry Potter characters, if a collective treatment is somehow seen as beneficial. (Which would pose the naming problem, where surly there can be a compromise if needed.) No strong opinion on that particular question. List of Fantastic Beasts cast members to me seems to have less content, so this could be merged here, discussion on the name notwithstanding. Or that list could be merged to Fantastic Beasts, as suggested this discussion, leaving the our list here with solvable problems to solve. Daranios (talk) 11:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further pop culture sources, if somewhat focussed on a specific film of the series would be [3], [4], and with a fun bit of analysis, [5]. So again, that there is not enough sourcing to constitute an article does not at all seem to be the case. Daranios (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it feels redundant to the film articles, and there's an unstated presumption people care enough to actually make this into a decent article, but, well, sure. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 17:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adam Cuerden: there's an unstated presumption people care enough to actually make this into a decent article: On the one hand I think that's a valid concern, seeing that some articles stay tagged and unimproved for long periods of time. But on the other hand I think that is the basic premise of Wikipedia, and the project is immensly successful! So I prefer to err on the side of hope in accordance with WP:There is no deadline and especially WP:Work in progress. Daranios (talk) 07:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ay, but I think when the article's a spinoff that has redundant information to other articles at present, it's perhaps more of a question. As it stands, it's just the character lists already in the three films, but as an unreferenced, alphabetised list. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 10:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KVHC-LD edit

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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And doesn't seem to be accurate since its ownership with Bridge Media Networks since it's still an affiliate of Paranormal TV and not NewsNet according to RabbitEars. OWaunTon (talk) 15:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Swati tribe. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khankhel Swati edit

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No significant coverage of this group. This page previously redirected to Swati tribe; any reliably sourced and encyclopedic content should once again be merged to that page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolò D'Amico (rugby union) edit

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Italian rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was routine transfer news (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 20:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete A few bits here and there that could just make a GNG pass, but a minor career at the top level. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Routine transactional news does not contribute to GNG, and I'm not seeing anything beyond that. JoelleJay (talk) 01:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maratha invasion of Awadh edit

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Full of WP:SYNTH and WP:OR mess, fails notability as we don't find "Maratha invasion of Awadh" in the sources (clearly made up by the starter of article), instead there are several other events like "Invasion of Bhadawar", "raid on Delhi" and "Battle of Jalesar". Clearly the author has mixed up several battles and conflicts to get this resulted article. Based Kashmiri (talk) 18:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, As per above comment Rawn3012 (talk) 08:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Basically you are selecting articles for deletion for no reason in actual, you may don't like these article just say it. Combination of those articles has been disscussed long ago and admins gave the permission to Merge it DeepstoneV (talk) 14:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — DeepstoneV (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of AdityaNakul (talk · contribs). Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:10, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll just avoid your first three lines because I want productive discussion, only suggest you to go through WP:AADP. For the rest, I guess you're referring to this discussion but no one is there proposed for merging it in a new article named "Maratha invasion of Awadh" It's just the opinion of ImperialAficionado. The result of the discussion was delete not merge. Admins didn't give permission to merge it. And stop removing the AFD template. Based Kashmiri (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The article "Maratha invasion of Awadh" is not supported by any reliable sources rather the user who created the page just pushed his POV by adding different battles together in a single article. Moreover The New Cambridge History of India Vol 2 Part 4 pg 125 clearly states that Bajirao 1737 expedition (including Delhi) was indecisive not a Mughal victory, also this is a reliable source. Here is the exact quotation from the book; The campaign of 1737 was indecisive, though Bajirao attacked Delhi, even briefly holding the Emperor to ransom. So even results are not appropriate in the different individual battles which are mixed up and displayed here. Mohammad Umar Ali (talk)

Delete or Merge This was a prelude of Bhopal campaign better known as Battle of Bhopal.

I better say that delete this as this totally consisted on WP:SYNTH or merge this in Battle of Bhopal as this was the prelude of the campaign. The whole of Bajirao campaign in Delhi was resulted in Bhopal and annexation of Malwa according to Jaswant Lal Mehta and other WP:RS. पापा जी (talk) 04:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Parvinder Singh edit

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Subject does not appear to meet WP:NCRIC. He has played in domestic-level cricket.. but does not appear to meet the notability requirement maintained by the cricket wikiproject. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. A substantial domestic career, with 8 centuries and a high score of 203 not out; sources in Indian print media are bound to exist, his career isn't one which will go without coverage. AA (talk) 22:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as there doesn't appear to be any significant coverage here. GoldRomean (talk) 01:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - beside his Cricinfo profile which gives a career overview, there looks to be a fair bit of coverage regarding individual innings. Hindustan Times 26 November 2009, Telegraph India 2 November 2013, The Statesman 7 January 2009, Indian Express 20 November 2012. He has played at the highest level of domestic cricket and this seems sufficient coverage to justify an article. --JP (Talk) 08:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Primary match reports are routine news and per NSPORT and NOTNEWS do not count towards notability, and that is all I'm finding for the subject (including among the links above). Sportspeople are required to have IRS SIGCOV cited in their article, regardless of their achievements and regardless of where or when they played. JoelleJay (talk) 02:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SIGCOV not regarding individual matches also exists if you look hard enough. --JP (Talk) 07:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That does go somewhat beyond a routine transactional report, so I'll reconsider my !vote. I'm not overly familiar with what's routine in cricket outside of match reports, though, so I'm going to ping @Wjemather for his input. JoelleJay (talk) 16:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Think there's enough here in what JP has found for a keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amna Malik edit

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On the fact of it, she appeared in multiple TV shows but she fails to have 'significant role' in them therefore do no meet WP:ACTOR . BTW, this was deleted back in 2020. The creator BeauSuzanne (talk · contribs) wasn't only able to recreate it but they also did their best to conceal the previous deletion discussion, which speaks volumes about their dubious editing nature. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She is a notable actress. She hasn't done main roles but she has done supporting roles in dramas and her recent work in Mayi was noted[6]. In these she mentioned how she switched from teacher to host and then acting.[7] Her peronal life.[8](BeauSuzanne (talk) 07:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- BeauSuzanne, Supporting roles are not enough to meet WP:NACTOR and the coverages you provided can be used for WP:V, but they're not enough to establish WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - It meets WP:Nactor some sources are written this way from interviews before that I did my search on the sources it's reliable from ARY News, Images Dawn and BOL News it's both in English and Urdu.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    - BeauSuzanne, You've to see WP:ATA. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete it with fire. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Looking at her last few roles in shows with articles, none are significant (not starring or lead support) so she does not meet WP:NACTOR. Sources are interviews, do not mention her and many are not reliable such as The Brown Identity, Something Haute, FUCHSIA Magazine, Masala.com, Dispatch News Desk, etc. S0091 (talk) 15:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I find convincing BeauSuzanne's explanation; some of her roles do seem significant enough and she seems to meet WP:NACTOR indeed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sure, her recent work was "noted" in source 20, but it's a series of photos with maybe 10 lines of text. The rest aren't in RS... Most I can find are interviews or the type of celebrity gossip articles that don't help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dewan people edit

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The source provided seems to be the only source about these people that provides any depth and even that is only tangential. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate Since it's a name for two ethnic groups, both of which have articles, we can turn the page into a disambiguation page for both of the ethnic groups. EternalNub (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Farhan Ahmed Malhi edit

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This actor-cum-model does not meets WP:ACTOR as I am unable verify their "major roles" in TV shows as require by WP:ACTOR - nor does their coverage satisfy the basic WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: He is a well known actor. His roles in dramas has received coverage. His education and how he started his career is mentioned.[9][10][11](BeauSuzanne (talk) 07:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- BeauSuzanne, Your comments sound like WP:ATA. These coverages can be used for WP:V, but they're not enough to establish WP:GNG. Can you provide WP:THREE best coverage that you believe is sufficient to meet GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not talking about Wp:V. I am saying that three souces meets WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG plus his dramas are also written in it.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- BeauSuzanne, As the creator of this BLP, you were supposed to provide three best coverage in order to meet GNG. Unfortunately, you haven't done that. The coverage is mostly interviews, which aren't independent of the subject. Such coverage cannot be used to establish GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: some of his roles (in the main cast) of notable productions appear to have him meet WP:NACTOR, which is the applicable guideline. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Embassy of Italy, Ottawa edit

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All this article does is confirm it exists with no third party coverage to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 23:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Meyer Ryshpan edit

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Sources are user-generated, primary sources or trivial coverage (the phone book??). BEFORE search turns up no other evidence of notability as an artist or generally. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Very trivial coverage found [12]. No listing in the Getty ULAN [13], the artist hasn't gained critical recognition, with no sourcing in Gscholar found... The person existed, but that's not what we're looking for in a notability guideline. Oaktree b (talk) 04:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per WP:HEY. I added three RS to the article. While cleaning up, I deleted all the unsourced and unnecessary material, and re-formatted two references. I think the article should be kept largely due to Ryshpan's regular exhibitions at the Montreal of Museum of Fine Arts, and his entry in A Dictionary of Canadian Artists. There is also non-trivial coverage of his 1958 retrospective. It passes WP:GNG with at least two reliable sources. Curiocurio (talk) 14:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is definitely improved and I thank you for taking that on! but I question the use of MacDonald's dictionary to validate notability. It doesn't appear to be selective but rather inclusive of any artist (the volume Ryshpan is listed is just Canadian artists with last names R-S, that single volume is over 500 pages long, and Ryshpan warrants a single paragraph). Meanwhile, the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts exhibitions were not selective nor were they exclusive to Ryshpan. The spring exhibition was for many decades an exhibition open to all artists and often included 400-500 works (see page 2 of the source you provided). That leaves a short reference in Ayre's art column, and I frankly disagree that this is enough. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main point is that three reliable sources are enough to get over WP:GNG, not WP:NARTIST. Curiocurio (talk) 16:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, the question is whether a phone-book-length non-selective directory and an exhibition summary for a non-selective, open-to-all art exhibition constitute "significant coverage" for GNG. I'm skeptical. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Dictionary of Canadian Artists has been completed by the National Gallery of Canada, so it's hardly just a directory. Curiocurio (talk) 17:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:HEY - This Montreal painter and engraver has an artistic background that deserves to be known. This biographical summary is well referenced.Veillg1 (talk) 15:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Does the article clean up and new sources added since its nomination change anyone's opinion about notability here?
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Comment: Source 5 is about artworks displayed in a library, I'm still not sure that meets notability requirements. The Canadian artist dictionary is fine, but it's still a small mention. Oaktree b (talk) 23:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Looking through the history of the article, it looks like is was created as a memorial to a beloved member of the Montreal community. It was then edited down to try to comply with WP:ARTIST. Unfortunately I think the subject fails WP:NBIO and WP:ARTIST. The posthumous retrospective at the local library cannot count towards notability. See the essay WP:MEMORIAL. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The retrospective at the library wasn't posthumous, the artist was still alive. It counts toward WP:GNG, the bar it has to clear. Curiocurio (talk) 20:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected. The retrospective was when the artist was living. Regardless, it does not count towards notability.--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yuno Miles edit

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as much as i love yuno, the only reliable source that talks about him is this, which makes him not notable Authenyo (talk) 00:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i typed this crying knowing that big wikipedia will delete yuno miles Authenyo (talk) 00:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He is notable in my opinion; while I am not a fan of his music he does have almost 1 million followers on spotify and has been drawn even further into the public eye by his Drake diss. OJSimpsonLover (talk) 03:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that this page should be entirely erased. It has a good structure, some notability, and there's other pages that should probably be deleted. I vote no for this page deletion. Also why did that OJSimpsonLover fella get blocked??? It says for vandalism but he was just giving his opinion. TheEpicApartmentLord (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(insert reminder of WP:NOTAVOTE and to actually provide links or a reference to someone else's comment here instead of just saying "some notability")
OJSimpsonLover was blocked for vandalizing articles. That said, @Air on White, I'm not sure that means why their comment should be discarded. Only sockpuppets have a strike-comments policy. Or was there something I've missed? Aaron Liu (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the striking of the comment. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OJSimpsonLover was blocked for vandalism and his inappropriate username. However, he was not just a blatant vandal, but also a subtler troll: some of his comments appear to be in good faith and were aimed at confusing other users and administrators, making his block less likely. I also believe he was a sockpuppet for his demonstrated familiarity with the customs and policies of Wikipedia and his technical proficiency in areas such as wikitext and referencing. I therefore believe it was reasonable for me to assume that his comment was intended to disrupt the Wikipedia project and should have been struck through. Air on White (talk) 04:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They have not made any comments that I find questionable and do not seem to be familiar with Wikipedia at all. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't the place to discuss vandalism or sockpuppetry, so I'll end this discussion here. But I'm willing to continue this discussion (at another page) if anyone is interested, particularly if someone is making an SPI case. Air on White (talk) 01:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC) edited Air on White (talk) 01:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This is a RS per Project Album [14], but that's all I can find for this person. No interviews or articles about him, was hoping something would show up. A lack of sourcing means !delete. Oaktree b (talk) 04:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have found a few sources - maybe look a little harder 2601:449:4100:DA80:E549:EA16:3F2E:1D57 (talk) 04:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So... could you link them here? Tollens (talk) 05:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did, they don't exist. Oaktree b (talk) 23:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, fails notability guidelines. Plus, there’s already a draft article for him at draft:Yuno Miles. (Discuss 0nshore's contributions!!!) 00:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 04:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC) user indef-blocked for disruption on AFD —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 02:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)}}[reply]

Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/music/news-who-yuno-miles-fans-react-youtuber-releases-hilarious-drake-diss-response-metro-boomin-s-challenge	WP:RSP: user-generated		✘ No
https://www.rapreviews.com/2023/11/yuno-miles-yuno-i-cant-rap/			✔ Yes
https://www.sescoops.com/wwe/rapper-yuno-miles-releases-wwe-diss-track-im-beefing-with-the-wwe	Probably, website has multiple writers and this one has a degree		✔ Yes
https://pitchfork.com/features/article/the-age-of-shitpost-modernism/		~ One example with only one mention	~ Partial
https://gizmodo.com/saga-bbl-drizzy-drake-kendrick-lamar-metro-boomin-1851470820		~ Only one mention as "The Meme Diss Track"; in the article's slides.	~ Partial
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Here's a table. I don't think two is enough, is it? Aaron Liu (talk) 11:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe most editors would consider two enough. Air on White (talk) 20:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SE Scoops is two videos and two quotes of his, with about 5 lines of text otherwise, might be a RS but that's hardly extensive coverage. Maybe 1/2 a source, being generous. I'd still like to see more than these two sources, neither of which is extensive. Oaktree b (talk) 23:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? The entire article is about a diss track he released.
I do agree that two sources is a bit far from keeping, though. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now that pythoncoder has provided a video reference with The Tonight Show, I think that tips the scales towards a weak keep. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - he appears in two articles that count towards GNG, but there isn't enough notable articles at the moment for a stronger keep. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete - 𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 07:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, speedy per what? Aaron Liu (talk) 11:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AskeeaeWiki, is this even a vote? Per what? dxneo (talk) 13:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems like he passes GNG based on the sources so far. Other stuff that may or may not count, some from the draft version:
- [15] from Ones to Watch: Site with music industry backing (Live Nation Entertainment). Not sure about their editorial standards — couldn't find anything about it on RSN or RSP.
- [16] from TheNeedleDrop: may or may not count based on your reading of RSP
- [17]: got played on the nationally-televised The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 02:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:THENEEDLEDROP:

... per Wikipedia policy regarding self-published sources, these reviews should never be used as third-party sources about living people.

Granted, what you linked isn't a review, it's an interview. But given the discussion is about what third-party sources could be used to justify keeping an article about Yuno Miles, I think this still fairly doesn't fit. It also doesn't help that Fantano isn't a journalist, let alone the fact that using YouTube links (of which this article currently uses two, both linking to Yuno Miles' own songs) is already considered generally unreliable per WP:RSPYT. Cadenrock1 (talk) 03:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I think this discussion needs more time so I'm relisting it.
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Delete coverage seems weak, fails WP:NMUSIC.-KH-1 (talk) 02:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep, I personally think Miles is a notable but unreported figure, having a large following but lacking news coverage. This means has and will continue to have his page created many times before being locked. (Discuss Roastedbeanz1 contribs) 17:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Roastedbeanz1, why is your signature bearing @Not0nshoree. Also, I didn't get your argument here. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yuno Miles is very much notable. I know there's a stigma against making pages for every insignificant "soundcloud rapper", but rest assured, Yuno Miles is not one of them. ☞ Rim ^{< Talk | Edits >} 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with keeping Yuno Miles on Wikipedia. He is already a popular rapper no matter if its meme rap such as "4 Wheeler" or the "BBL Drizzy Freestyle." I think it way to late to make that happen. Diamondpro114 (talk) 23:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Show evidence using sources that meets WP:RS and WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I can't believe I have to say this but Wikipedia doesn't care that you personally think this article subject is notable. Our subjective judgments are irrelevant to AFD decisions. The question is, are there sufficient reliable sources to establish notability? Are the sources located by User:pythoncoder and any other editors adequate to demonstrate GNG? That's the important question here.
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I can't believe I have to say this but I don't care what you have to say either ☞ Rim ^{< Talk | Edits >} 20:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

relax bro we all have to follow wikipedia's notability rules and not our own. but ye i think yuno miles is notable, also due to the sources in that chart above, or at least surely will be soon because i have no doubt yuno will get more news coverage. Freedun (yap) 20:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yea you right bro mb. I just be insulted when I'm just tryna throw in my two cents n somebody sayin they speakin on "behalf" of wikipedia and that my opinion doesn't matter, just rude and insulting u know? but yea the sources are kinda scarce, i think his page might get deleted for now, but u right we'll def get more news coverage soon ☞ Rim ^{< Talk | Edits >} 20:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the truth is, on Wikipedia, opinions are weighted based on relation to policy. Arguments with actual basis in policy has more weight. You'd have to be really convincing to make a non−policy based argument. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yea its kinda weird and ik wikipedia doesn't have a lot of rapper articles even for example f1lthy (i just made it last night). anyone who watches tiktok knows these people but whatever. if it gets deleted ill remake it after there's more news coverage Freedun (yap) 20:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This article doesn't meet GNG, source analysis lacks WP:SIGCOV and intentionally, I don't succumbed with the rationales of being "a fan of a certain musician." Per the state of the article, I was checking redirect to see if the "Hood Rejects" do exist but not. At this point, when sources of an article is not enough to establish notability, it becomes deletion or redirecting. However, there is no room for redirecting and mostly, delete. I have critically accessed the sources presently in the article and some doesn't relate to WP:RS. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribe Could you explain how the two sources I've assessed and the OnesToWatch source from pythoncoder don't meet GNG? Aaron Liu (talk) 03:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aaron Liu, two sources aren't enough for me to justify whether an article is notable. There isn't any significant coverage of this individual as a musician whatsoever. Also remember that "celebrities" may be famous but not notable. One may have millions of followers, yet neither has he/her been covered in multiple news source. Per my experience so far, they are usually appearing in interviews, some which are not reliable or secondary per WP:RS. While being regarding !voting is not deletion, I am talking about the pure simple fact here and that the truth of the matter. Should I analyse the arguments too to see the argument coming from keep if not most, "he is notable, I have heard the song", "he is famous, I am a fan", etc. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In analysis, for example, no weight will be given to "He is notable in my opinion; while I am not a fan of his music he does have almost 1 million followers on spotify and has been drawn even further into the public eye by his Drake diss." Notability is not ones opinion. If that, then, my father is notable in my mind. The second was I don't think that this page should be entirely erased. It has a good structure, some notability, and there's other pages that should probably be deleted. I vote no for this page deletion. Also why did that OJSimpsonLover fella get blocked??? It says for vandalism but he was just giving his opinion. Here, we don't believe in WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST. If the editor thinks the other articles like that merits deletion, so be it, nominate it or leave it. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oaktree b and Not0nshoree argued the article lacking sources and not meeting GNG.

Then the source analysis table generated also good. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't seem to understand. I assessed four sources above. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Yuno Miles' music is unique. Also his song was trending on YouTube and hit music charts. Also he will hit 1m subs soon.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Freedun (talk • contribs)

User:Freedun, I want to know how you know about anything called AFD when you literally joined some minutes ago. What was your previous account? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what is AFD? I dont think i had an account from the past but i edited my schools wikipedia page in the past so maybe i did but im not sure Freedun (talk) 04:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedun, that is my point. What is the school and your former name. It might help us know how to analyse your argument as it may lay on "a new user". Tell me the account and why you left after writing your schools page. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

uh sorry dude I'm not comfortable telling you what high school i went to... Freedun (talk) 05:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is unusual a new editor coming to !vote in an AFD. There is something going on. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

uh ok? Freedun (talk) 06:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

actually imma say weak keep like Roasted beanz Freedun (talk) 06:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miles has fans and they saw the article's deletion notice and came here, duh. It's not unusual but unfortunate. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
http://www.onestowatch.com/en/blog/meet-yuno-miles-the-internets-favorite-rapper	Was about the rapper	Ones to watch is a music blog and by the virtue of looking at the written content, it made me feel to notify people of a notable blog it is. Another example Bella Naija.	Blog, equally advertorial.	✘ No
https://www.theneedledrop.com/interviews/2023/11/a-conversation-with-yuno-miles	An interview should always be independent as the person interviewed always say about him; those which aren't verifiable at most times.	Per WP:THENEEDLEDROP.	Its an interview per WP:INTERVIEW or related.	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrJWNQSIoNE	Clip of played music. The full show should have contained other stuffs.	The show is reliable and notable as well.	In the context, the music was played within any discussion of it's nature, etc. I could have taken it as a review but no!	✘ No
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Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why writing styles disqualify reliability, not to mention the ridiculous notion that that affects the SIGCOV part of the criteria. As said above, the site is ran by writers of an industry giant. This makes it highly likely that they are reliable (reputation, libel & stuff), and I can't find any incidences of false reporting. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Show me their editorial guideline for publication and team. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't find any so far, but it seems to be the same people, so I'm asking this at RSN.

Also, I feel like the two sources above and mentions add up to give this borderline notability. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also I looked closer into the requirements for Wikipedia musicians and Yuno Miles "has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability" because they are highly known for meme rap Freedun (yap) 19:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need sources that claim that. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

tbh its just well known but this article looks applicable: [18] Freedun (yap) 04:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call that genre-representing, but while it's not significant coverage, it is more than a passing mention, and as said above, I feel like that, other non-trivial mentions, and the two sources I've found above confer notability. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ye i agree. Freedun (yippity yap) 07:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Good sources are pretty scarce right now, but he did get reviewed on RapReviews and namechecked on Pitchfork. Close enough. 162 etc. (talk) 19:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E. If the biography of living person has reliable sources and news, then, the draft shall be created (it already started the draft, so what else?). Qadri223 Talk or discuss only my contributions to the Wikipedia 03:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Qadri223 Yes, the article meets the draft criteria, but how the heck does that mean it should be deleted? There is more history here than the Drake event as seen in the Pitchfork and RapReviews coverage above. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Marston (Red Dead) edit

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The character lacks significant coverage and is not independently notable from John Marston or the video games. The article consists entirely of original research, with only a handful of references taken from a different article (all of which only mention Jack in passing, or not at all). Based on my research of the topic, I don't believe any significant coverage exists, and any further passing mentions can be covered on this list. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: He's a fairly minor character until the very end of Red Dead, and in Red Dead 2, he's a small child you read with and take fishing... The sources used aren't all about Jack, but about the games themselves. Trivial coverage about a minor character. Oaktree b (talk) 23:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Characters of Red Dead Redemption 2, where the character is mentioned. My arguments are the same as above, but we have a viable AtD here. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I tried that, but it was reverted, hence this AfD. I'd probably prefer deletion but I'm not opposed to redirection. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 01:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the respective section in Characters of Red Dead Redemption 2. No significant coverage, only passing mentions, and certainly not enough to warrant an independent article. Ethmostigmus (talk | contribs) 03:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not enough WP:SIGCOV. This is a quick appearance from a minor character and unlikely as a search term, but I don't have strong objections to a redirect. Shooterwalker (talk) 14:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. At first I was a little shocked that someone was trying to delete the RDR protagonist, but I eventually noticed the name discrepancy. Jack Marston is pretty clearly not a notable character. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Not a notable enough character in either game he appears in to receive a full article here. Aguy777 (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate: They are a protagonist in the first game and so i believe they should stay. There are only 3 protagonists in the game and so i believe all 3 should be in. User:Bowlita (talk) 22:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note to clarify that Bowlita (talk · contribs) was blocked shortly after leaving this message per WP:NOTHERE, and was found to be a sock of Jeees777 (talk · contribs), who created this article. I suspect the recent IP attempts to remove the AfD notice were also related. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Characters of Red Dead Redemption 2. This character is not notable enough to have an article devoted to him, but as a very likely search term relating to characters in the Red Dead Redemption series, this page has its uses as a redirect. JeffSpaceman (talk) 10:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matching person and technology model edit

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Notability and quality issues. The article was created by a single-purpose account in 2009. None of the content is sourced, the "general" references are generally about "assistive technology" or are by MJ Scherer, the creator of this model. Google Scholar has about 3 results not associated with Scherer, which use this as background.

None of the current content should be merged to assistive technology, so I have not unilaterally redirected the article. However, if there is sourced content to include there, I am not opposed to that redirect. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Op:l Bastards edit

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No significant coverage. Non-notable band. SL93 (talk) 21:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep due to Bio in Allmusic. Album review in NME, review in Allmusic, review in Sonic Seducer, review in Visions (which has a printed magazine). Small news piece in Billboard magazine. Single review in NME, another in Music & Media, another in Sonic Seducer. Review in an outlet I'm not familiar with. That's a start without even looking into Finnish media Geschichte (talk) 08:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Live with Moeed Pirzada edit

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Fails GNG. Page relies mostly on what I safely can call [unreliable sources]. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kamalapur (neighbourhood) edit

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Reviewed during NPP. Does not meet wp:notability. A neighborhood in the city of Dhaka. Clearly does not have presumed wp:notability under the SNG per the criteria there which leaves GNG. The only source is a blog and even that just gives it a one word mention. So no sourcing much less the required GNG sources. North8000 (talk) 20:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Kamal Siddiqui et al.'s 2010 Social Formation in Dhaka, 1985-2005: A Longitudinal Study of Society in a Third World Megacity ISBN 978-1-4094-1103-1 contains half a page about the concentration of the city's Buddhists in Kamalapur and the adjacent Basabo neighborhood, describing the related viharas, pagodas, and schools there. Other than that, sources of any depth focus on Kamalapur railway station, about which we already have an article. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Motijheel Thana, of which Kamalapur is the easternmost slice, until sufficient in-depth reliable sources are written about the neighborhood to justify a stand alone article. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chirp (formerly Cilter Technologies) edit

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Very new/small start-up business that fails WP:NORG and WP:SIGCOV. The coverage of this small company (of perhaps 12 employees?) is the type of "startup receives seed funding" business reporting that is common for any similar business. What limited coverage does exist relates to the company's previous brand name - to the extent that the only source (connecting the title of the article with the entity discussed in the article) is the org's own LinkedIn page. If we do not have sufficient reliable/independent sources to even establish that a company of this name exists (and is the same company covered in the other few sources), then SIGCOV is not met. Clearly WP:TOOSOON. (Would have PRODed, but the creator of the article moved it to the main article namespace [over DRAFT]. And re-added [at best] quasi-promotional text about the org being "award-winning". Therefore not "uncontroversial".) Guliolopez (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is a mission statement, not an article. Nate • (chatter) 22:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. And they can tell whoever runs these things I'm not impressed by the gaming of autoconfirm here. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. A non-notable startup company. They don't even have a product, vague claim that they will develop something in the future. Spleodrach (talk) 06:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Six Points, Clay County, Indiana edit

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A passing reference by Baker to a "community" at this intersection (and the GNIS coords are inaccurate: the location is ESE of the label which they used as the location) is not enough. There's nothing much there, and I wasn't able to find anything myself. Mangoe (talk) 20:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No evidence of a notable community at this location. –dlthewave ☎ 03:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Its clear this is a nonotable intersection.James.folsom (talk) 02:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Gordon University – Garthdee campus edit

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This whole page reads like an overly detailed promotional pamphlet for the Robert Gordon University, and the main Robert Gordon University article has most, if not all, of the useful information from this article in its Garthdee campus section UltrasonicMadness (talk) 19:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Robert Gordon University Charlie (talk) 04:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It sounds like one very-detailed long-winded advertisement promoting the campus. I wouldn't even suggesting merging it as the main Robert Gordon University article seems to already have all the relevant information about the campus. 2001:8003:6C0A:B100:984F:1071:4595:9DCE (talk) 09:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)— 2001:8003:6C0A:B100:984F:1071:4595:9DCE (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep I created this article as the content was making the university article very long. Concerns about it being promotional can be addressed through editing. However, there is sufficient sourcing to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 13:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Tomar edit

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Does not meet WP:CREATIVE and the sources appear to be mostly self-published, not reliable, or passing mentions Jayjg ^(talk) 18:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -The nomination for deletion is inaccurate. The appropriate category is WP:ENT, not Creative. Subject meets inclusion standards by a comfortable margin. He has appeared in a notable amount of high profile video games and shows and has working relationships with a notable amount of prominent people within his industry. He also co-owns an animation studio which has been involved with many major projects. He has received an award relevant to his industry that is only given to one person per year. He is a longtime member on a well-established and influential youtube channel.

Many of the acting credits are verified through the IMDB citation, which Wikipedia lists as an acceptable source. His roles are also verified through other databases, as well as specific citations on particular roles, which is why there are citations of passing mentions of him with regard to specific roles.

The article should be kept as the subject qualifies under WP:ENT and the overall sourcing is acceptable; if there are issues with individual sources that could be handled in Talk or through the removal or addition of sources instead of a page deletion.

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Delete: Sources don't show notability. I would say redirect to Studio Yotta, but that doesn't look notable either. IgelRM (talk) 15:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:ENTERTAINER, no significant roles in any major productions. "Member of the Year Tanky Award" is not a notable award. Also unlike the user said above, IMDB is not an acceptable source in Wikipedia, see WP:IMDB. --Mika1h (talk) 07:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - doesn't meet ENT or CREATIVE. Largely minor roles or just an "extra". As noted above, the sole keep stance is mistaken - IMDB is not a usable source per WP:IMDB. Sergecross73 msg me 17:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was nomination withdrawn thanks to FanDePopLatino's work. Mach61 17:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)‎[reply]

List of number-one hits of 1962 (Peru) edit

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These articles lack any relevant citations, as I raised on their creator's talk page two months ago, so they are in violation of the verifiability policy. Mach61 15:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:CHARTS makes no mention of La Prensa or any other Peruvian charts, so I'm not sure this data would even be considered reliable to begin with. Also worth noting that if these are deleted, {{PeruvianNumber1s}} also needs to go as it will be entirely redlinks. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If data come from Billboard they are certainly reliable (see WP:CHARTS#Suitable charts#1), if they come from La Prensa very likely too (also per Suitable charts#1), but as per the nomination the current reference is blatantly unrelated as points to an article about Aretha Franklin. --Cavarrone 23:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I looked into it because I do know that in Perú we've had charts for many decades. The articles nominated are badly sourced and don't have the true information about the songs that topped the charts but I was able to find sources like this one from Billboard Magazine that has a chart from Perú in their "Hits of the World" section on page 28. The source also credits "La Prensa" as the publisher of the chart so the information on the articles isn't actually false, it's just not properly source. We can add some page curation tags to the articles and I can fix them up with reliable sources. I can also share this articles with other Peruvian editors and editors who are part of the Latin Music Project to see if any of them are interested in helping me out with this. FanDePopLatino (talk) 14:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FanDePopLatino Normally I would agree that merely lacking sources is not reason enough to delete a page if they can be found, but I think this sort of list is an exception to that rule. This is about a very specific subject for which there is only one type of source available (old back-catalog editions of Billboard or La Parenta), written by an active editor who should have known they'd have to cite their sources, and yet couldn't be bothered to do so. Without citations, a list like this is useless to someone trying to do research, in a way an uncited prose article is not. Perhaps these pages can be draftified? Mach61 16:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: in principle I'm leaning keep, because the material does seem to be out there. My concern is whether there is enough to make complete lists at present... it looks like only 11 weeks of the year 1966 are available, for example, which is going to lead to big gaps in the 1966 list unless back copies of La Prensa itself can be located. Richard3120 (talk) 10:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:@Mach61 I understand that the editor who created these articles didn't bother to use citations but I have from the moment I was notified of this. If you look back at the articles now you will see that I already finished 1963, make substantial progress on 1962 and 1966, started a bit on 1964, and have yet to get to 1965 but I plan on it. Drafting the pages would be an alternative if they still weren't sourced but as you can see, the articles no longer lack relevant citations or violate verifiability so the reasons for the deletion nomination are no longer relevant since those issues have already been addressed and fixed. FanDePopLatino (talk) 16:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Olympics on ABC commentators edit

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced and dead links, these consists of WP:PRIMARY, one being about one of its commentators and announcements, some being more deserving in an article about the coverage but not this list; barely much to help this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 19:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympics on NBC commentators SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Found this [[19]] (1/3), [[20]] (2/3), [[21]] (3/3), but it appears to just republishing a press release. Probably should be a delete unless better sources can be found. Let'srun (talk) 20:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Sources are being added at this very moment. Thus, far sources for the 1976 Summer Olympics, the 1964 Winter Olympics, and the list of hosts that ABC utilized have been added. Also, a lead section has finally been added. This article should be at the very least, merged with the main ABC Olympic broadcasts as a secondary option. BornonJune8 (talk) 08:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checked the new source: some of those are about the announcers, some are about the games itself, one is links to YouTube videos. In short, not helping much. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete there is a book on the subject within the ABC Olympic broadcasts article. Willing to change my !vote if sources from the time period are found. Conyo14 (talk) 16:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: "An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." The editor that seems to be spending their entire time on wikipedia recently trying to remove pages on TV broadcasts should try reading the article which they cite, which I quoted from. These broadcast articles contain primarily historical information, they do not read like a TV guide "forthcoming Olympics broadcast on ABC on July 27 at 8pm", etc. would be a TV guide. Tennishistory1877 (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ITSUSEFUL applies. All this is, is a list of who presented who, so WP:LISTCRUFT applies. A merger would be better. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Olympics on CBC commentators edit

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced and dead links, these consists of WP:PRIMARY and announcments, not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympics on NBC commentators SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete I found only this so far [22]. So, maybe more exist? Otherwise it's WP:LISTCRUFT mixed with WP:OR. Conyo14 (talk) 16:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That source appears to be from the CBC, and as such isn't independent. I can't find much else so far. Let'srun (talk) 23:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article should as a secondary option, be merged with the main CBC Olympic broadcasts article. Otherwise, a lot of great effort has hopefully recently been made to provide better context and information (there are now, about 60 references that have been added) behind the extensive history of CBC's Olympic Games coverage in Canada dating back to the early 1960s and to make it less "bare bones" looking. Here's some additional information on CBC's Olympic telecasts of recent times: Steve Armitage retires after 50-plus years calling Olympics and more for CBC, Famed CBC announcer Steve Armitage will miss Rio Olympics over heart problems, CBC’s Devin Heroux shares how he won’t be going to Beijing after December positive COVID test, illustrating wider media concerns, With Canada’s women’s curling team eliminated from Olympic medal contention, Canadian Twitter is upset…at the CBC’s Colleen Jones?, Support pours in for CBC’s Elliotte Friedman, who’s still hard on himself, VIDEO: CBC announcer mixes up Michael Phelps and Ryan Lochte during 200 IM Final, CBC hot mic catches swimming analyst saying 14-year-old “died like a pig”. Also from the CBC Media Centre, CBC'S TOKYO 2020 BROADCAST TEAM, CBC'S OLYMPIC WINTER GAMES BEIJING 2022 .... A "full" list of CBC's television personalities can be found here. BornonJune8 (talk) 08:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checked the sources; the first three sources are about the announcers, the one about Canada’s women’s curling team (source 4) are about the team, the other three about the games itself and the last two are WP:PRIMARY. Anything supporting this list is doing nothing for it. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep copy/paste rationale, no evidence of a WP:BEFORE check. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Before you accuse me of a copy/paste rationale, I have made a WP:BEFORE check. I already debunked the new sources above. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This does not meet the WP:LISTN as the group isn't discussed in non-primary sources or really any RS whatsoever. The sources are either YouTube links, press releases, blogs, or are from the CBC. Another example of WP:REFBOMBING. Let'srun (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympics on TNT commentators edit

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced and dead links, these consists of WP:PRIMARY and announcments, some being nothing more than a guide; none of these helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympics on NBC commentators SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unabale to find any sources discussing this as a group, and as such WP:LISTN is not met. Let'srun (talk) 20:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per failing WP:LISTN. Upon a search I couldn't find anything related to TNT's brief time with the Olympics, specifically who the broadcasting was. Conyo14 (talk) 16:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: A lot of work has been put in to help improve the notability of this particular article. 47 different references have just been added. A lead section has also been added to help clean up and give some better context to TNT's past Olympics coverage and its background/history. Bare in mind that TNT was the very first American cable television network to broadcast the Olympic Games, supplementing CBS' main coverage of the Winter Games during the duration of the 1990s. This article as it is, should be merged with the main TNT Olympics broadcasts article as a secondary option instead of outright junking it. BornonJune8 (talk) 10:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:REFBOMBING. Some of these do not count as WP:RS, most of these focuses on the events itself rather than the boradcasting. Also, they do not focus on TNT's part with the Olympics. SpacedFarmer (talk) 11:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me repeat myself, why is simply deleting this particular article the absolutely first option (regardless of whether or not there are any reliable sources being provided) instead of for instance, merging it to the main TNT Olympic broadcasts article? Also, if you're going to essentially tell somebody that the sources that they provided "aren't good enough" then please be more specific in regards to what's exactly "wrong with them" and how to improve upon that. Personally, an article should be deleted as an absolute last resort or option if there's absolutely little way that the article can be remotely improved or expanded upon. Otherwise, it's not really productive to constantly reply or react to anybody with a contrary point of view or opinion on what do with an article. BornonJune8 (talk), 07:56, 20 May 20 2024

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Comment: After a further review of the sourcing, this still fails to meet the WP:NLIST as the commentators aren't discussed as a group and there is evidently some WP:REFBOMBING going on here. Let'srun (talk) 14:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTDATABASE. Orientls (talk) 13:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Space Marines (film) edit

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The film is not notable in the sense that there are not multiple reliable sources having significant coverage about this topic. There is a review by The Washington Post here but nothing beyond that that I could find. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pinging already-involved editors Govvy, Atlantic306, and Mushy Yank. I had proposed deletion but Mushy Yank contested it on account of the review by The Washington Post. Started this AfD to see this through fully. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I just deproDed the page. Meets requirement for notability with significant coverage in reliable sources including a full review in The Washington Post. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You said you removed it because it had a review in The Washington Post? That does not equate plurality of reliable sources. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A review in the WP is enough to DEPROD a page, yes. But please read the comment I left on TP in the OldProd template. And also read the sources on the page. I've added various references. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The Washington Post review was syndicated nationally; here's the review in The Newport News Daily Press. There are a lot more examples on newspapers.com. Toughpigs (talk) 19:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Thanks, that's a good source. Any others you can share? I can go ahead and update the article with them. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

Oh, I misunderstood. Doesn't the same coverage being repeated elsewhere still count as only one source? Are there more sources that are different from the WaPo review? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, WP:N says, "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability." So we still only have Washington Post as the only reliable source covering this film. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
we still only have Washington Post as the only reliable source covering this film. No. Just read the page. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, you think these sources in the Wikipedia article are significant coverage. Here is a breakdown:
Regarding Off the Page, the film is only mentioned in passing, so it's not significant coverage.

For the other items, these are capsule reviews and not sufficient coverage. WP:NF says, "Examples of coverage insufficient to fully establish notability include newspaper listings of screening times and venues, 'capsule reviews', plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides..." Such guides have many films with only one sentence about them.

Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added some coverage with critical commentary, then. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep, borderline notable... I think it is fair to presume that if the WaPo wrote a full review of this 1996 film that additional coverage which would meet GNG exists. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Added some. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment One of the sources added is for Space Cowboys and not this film, two others are what? Databases with no degree of help to the article, so that leaves one review which I couldn't read because of the paywall. And that really is only one source left in the article. It's hardly signov, my gut still tells me it's a delete unless there was something more. Govvy (talk) 22:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not on Space Cowboys. The Snippet is misleading. Read what I've quoted, it's about this film! (If you can't access the full page: Was Space Cowboys written by Moreland, and is it with Wirth?) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Well, the Washington Post is all I can find for reviews. Rotten Tomatoes has a "critic" review from rec.arts.movies, which is being rather generous [23] calling that a "critical review". I don't know if this is related [24], but most things that come up are about the Warhammer series. I don't see enough for film notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, that film is unrelated. Added some coverage though. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Besides the Washington Post and Psychotronic Video reviews, there are also reviews in the Malay Mail, the Hawaii Tribune-Herald and the Hickory Daily Record. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 07:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as exercising WP:AGF as I don't have access to Proquest for the three above mentioned reviews but including them with the Washington Post and smaller coverage there seems to be enough for WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted: WP:BDP, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:TOSOON, et cetera, etc. El_C 01:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)‎[reply]

Suicide of Sammy Teusch edit

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No evidence of Wp:SUSTAINED coverage currently (also see WP:NOTNEWS) and can be recreated in the future if this turns out to have significant impacts. Clearly fulls under the purview of WP:BDP ("Such extensions would apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the subject that has implications for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible suicide or particularly gruesome crime") and thus we should presume in favor of privacy. Sincerely, Dilettante 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Same arguments as nom: WP:SUSTAINED, WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:BDP. There is no encyclopedic value in documenting this tragic situation. I saw mentions of the family pursuing a law, and perhaps someday a law will pass and be notable and in that context, a brief mention of the suicide that led to the law would be appropriate. He only died less than three weeks ago; if there is continuing coverage six months or a year from now, an article could be reconsidered. (I came across this article and its deletion nomination via WP:BLPN#Suicide of Sammy Teusch.) Schazjmd (talk) 18:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per NOTNEWS. If this is truly a historically-important event rather than a tragic blip on the radar, there will be plenty of time to build a proper, sourced article then, rather than relying upon ONEEVENT coverage of dubious caliber. Carrite (talk) 19:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, clear NOTNEWS. At a minimum, this is way WP:TOOSOON. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is tragic, obviously, but the nominator and the previous delete votes have clearly laid out the case for why Wikipedia should not have this article. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. WP:BDP clearly and explicitly applies. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Perhaps the notable event is the persistent failure of school administrators to do anything, let alone develop a coherent strategy to reduce bullying, rather than the suicide itself. The international coverage that the incident received suggests that there will be changes as a result, starting with some school district officials losing their jobs, and perhaps the proposed legislation being enacted. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The international coverage looks to me like low-quality churnalism. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per nom and NOTNEWS, and BDP. Additionally, User:Tempelz should review all the policies and guidelines quoted here in this discussion, and take a look at WP:RSP for acceptable sources to use in any article. Isaidnoway (talk) 22:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would also question the use of Inside Edition as a source, but oddly found basically no discusion of it in the WP:RSN archives. I was actually surprised to find it is still on the air, unlike A Current Affair and other 80's/90's tabloid infotainment shows. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They have 282 edits total. I don't fault them for not realizing there were issues with the subject.

Tempelz, while I would advise reading all the linked pages, it's a lot to take in and I won't fault you for not wanting to read everything.

If you do decide to create pages in the future (and I hope you do), I'd recommend reading the general notability guideline, the notability guideline for athletes (particularly the sentence about boxers), and our policy on biographies of living or recently deceased persons. Most other policies and guidelines are unnecessary for now for the edits you do, but I encourage you to read more if you'd like to.

If you ever need help, feel free to ask on my my talk page or on this forum for a speedier response. Sincerely, Dilettante 01:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If named legislation follows this, a solid Keep case can be made for an article combining the incident with the resulting law. But at this moment, this is clearly news reportage of a personal-level incident. Carrite (talk) 22:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Iff such legislation results, would agree a case could be made for "an article on the resulting law (with the incident as background information)". The difference being in the level of detail. Rotary Engine ^talk 22:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per nom, NOTNEWS, BDP. Endorse the advice of Isaidnoway above. Rotary Engine ^talk 22:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per above: *non-hypothetical!* *actual!* BLP concerns for survivors, NOTNEWS, and TOOSOON. If legislation gains coverage indicating notability, the some of this content could go to a legislation article but only with WP:DUE weight and BLP survivors in mind. JFHJr (㊟) 00:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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85th Plenary Session of the Indian National Congress edit

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Fails WP:N, not a notable event. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 17:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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* Delete: Based on my check, I searched for in-depth coverage from multiple independent, reliable sources to establish notability, but I couldn’t find any. The sources I found were just passing mentions and cannot meet WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 18:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC) * Delete. 3 sources on the page and none have significant coverage to warrant a full fledged page on the subject. Fails WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 14:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article needs substantial cleanup but as the second-largest political party by membership in the democratic world a meeting like this is likely to be notable, in a similar sense to 2024 Democratic National Convention. We even have an article for the tiny 2024 Libertarian National Convention. The US Libertarian Party has less than 1 million members, the Indian National Congress has 95 million. I've conducted a few quick searches and located quite a bit of coverage from national newspapers in India such as this from The Hindu and this from the Times of India. Google News searches produce a lot of results, too. It appears the conference was quite significant for the party based on the coverage. AusLondonder (talk) 16:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The Times of India can’t establish notability at all as per WP:TOI GrabUp - Talk 16:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, from a quick glance there is ample in-depth coverage in English media outlets. There is scope to expand the article, and outline the policy shifts that materialized in or through the event. It's worth noting that this is the national convention of a party that pulled 119 million votes in the last national election. --Soman (talk) 11:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - examples of in-depth coverage at India Today, NDTV, National Herald, The Wire, Business Standard, Business Standard, The Hindu, Hindustan Times. --Soman (talk) 11:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Thanks for sharing these sources, Maybe my BEFORE was not great enought like you. I am convinced that the article meets WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 11:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I too changed vote but to Draftify as the page needs major work with all reliable sources given by Soman and AusLondonder. If we just vote for Keep, then no guarantee if anyone will improve the page. Creator of the page can take the feedback from here, improve the page and republish it. RangersRus (talk) 19:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
National Herald is a Congress Party linked Newspaper. Does it qualify for a neutral, Independent reference source? — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 12:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. After looking at search work by AusLondonder and Soman, page has potential to pass WP:GNG with some cleanup and expansion with reliable sources. Voting for page to Draftify for creator and other interested editors to improve the page and then submit for review to be published. RangersRus (talk) 19:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Draftify is not intended as incubation for expansions. This article is a mini-stub, but a perfectly legitimate stub. There is no material in the current version of the article that warrants it to be draftified. See Wikipedia:Drafts#Moving_articles_to_draftspace. --Soman (talk) 11:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe van der Hoogt edit

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Schalk Oelofse edit

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 17:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JWM edit

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Fails WP: N. I found some mentions in some Linux-related books, but nothing that covers the software in-depth. The review in Linux Magazine is broken, but as it stands I can't find evidence that this meets notability standards, since multiple sources are required to establish notability. HyperAccelerated (talk) 17:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marlyn Williams edit

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 17:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Few bits, but not enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with Rugbyfan22that this article does not have enough legitimate coverage to merit an article. Go4thProsper (talk) 18:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Bolze edit

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tiaan Dorfling edit

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Sudan, London edit

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No useful secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG. Only sources are a government list of diplomatic missions and a source purportedly about a protest at the embassy more than a decade ago but which appears unrelated. Previously subject of contested PROD and contested merge/redirect. AusLondonder (talk) 16:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~redirect~~ Merge to Sudan–United Kingdom relations#Diplomatic_missions as is typical for cases where the building is not itself notable. Mangoe (talk) 20:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming the protests aren't mentioned in the main article, there's now something to merge, but the protests were about relations, not buildings. Mangoe (talk) 13:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pedantically protests can be about buildings (e.g. [25]), but these ones were not. Thryduulf (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have revised the comment, pedantically. Mangoe (talk) 21:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've found the source for the protests and fixed the article, so that information is now verified. Thryduulf (talk) 09:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge 48JCL ^(talk) 17:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Mateer edit

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The article does not meet Wikipedia:Notability, and likely violates NPOV.

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Keep. Arguably notable as one of the whistleblowers who filed a complaint about Ken Paxton, which made The Dallas Morning News call the group the "Texans of the Year", not just for the statements that led to his rejection as a judge nominee. The article seems to have a neutral point of view. Its talk page includes some additional suggested references that might be worth adding. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, his actions as general counsel for First Liberty Institute have been in the news, and are similarly controversial. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Mateer easily meets the WP:GNG with the coverage in the article surrounding his failed judicial nomination, along with sources such as [[26]] outside of that context showing that WP:SUSTAINED is met. If the consensus is not to keep, this should be redirected to Donald Trump judicial appointment controversies as a WP:ATD. I'm also not seeing any POV issues here. Let'srun (talk) 01:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per WP:USCJN. Presidential judicial nominees whose nomination is withdrawn due to controversy are evaluated the same was as those rejected by the United States Senate, for whom "this is strong evidence of notability that can be established by any other indicia of notability". Clearly there are other indicia, so this rises above that line. BD2412 T 16:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I doubt this article will stand the test of time and meet WP:sustained standards over the long haul, but I agree with the other editors here that it does meet notoriety standards now and should be kept. Go4thProsper (talk) 18:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarecta, North Carolina edit

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This is an alleged former town in North Carolina, which was allegedly the first town in its county. I couldn't find anything reliable supporting the existence of this community, Henry McCulloh appears to be his own can of worms, but I don't think there's much on him either. It's also worth noting that this article hasn't been edited since 2014, and the one reference (which is not cited inline) is now a dead link. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I don't see any reason why this wouldn't be a reliable source. This probably warrants more care to determine its level of scholarship, but also offers greater depth of coverage. Lubal (talk) 16:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They were not considered because the main subject of those sources is not "sarecta", therefore they are "passing mentions", eg not sig cov. James.folsom (talk) 17:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GEOLAND and also WP:GNG, per my search which found the books above and also some mentions in scholarly articles. SportingFlyer T·C 19:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per sources presented above and incorporated status. –dlthewave ☎ 03:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Definite keep. Added some sourcing and 1943 map showing location. Very fascinating to see that older states in the United States have formerly incorporated towns that have sunk so far into oblivion to lead to a deletion nomination. Apparently it still had a charter from the state until 1984 although it (and many other towns in the state) had long had no local government. But it was definitely was incorporated in 1787, though losing a battle to be the county seat in 1784 was apparently a blow.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found it was surprising how contentious county seats were, and how many "towns" disappeared for that reason. James.folsom (talk) 17:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Shapiro (journalist) edit

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Journalist falls short of WP:NBIO and WP:GNG tests; no evidence of WP:SIGCOV of him separate from his own writing and coverage of his books. (His book "Turn the Beat Around" would likely pass WP:NBOOK if an article were created on it, but Shapiro's notability cannot be WP:INHERITED from it.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning towards keep on the subject of this article. I disagree with the nominators assessment here - particularly as the applicable guideline is WP:AUTHOR, where independent coverage of the author's work is sufficient to evidence notability; WP:INHERITED does not apply. I have found and added several independent citations to the article, including a number of RS book reviews and RS articles stating the importance of the works of Shapiro. As such I !vote to keep this article per WP:AUTHOR#3: The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Article could really use expansion however. Per WP:NOPAGE I also recommend a single central article on the author and his works, rather than multiple articles on the books themselves. ~~- I recommend Modulations: A History of Electronic Music is redirected to Shapiro if the result of this AfD is to keep.~~ ResonantDis_tortion 14:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate you adding reviews links to the article. I disagree with you on the eligibility for WP:AUTHOR #3. While the author has created a couple of independently notable works, none of the reviews or sources describe the significance of his body of work; they are about individual works. While I agree that Modulations and Turn the Beat Around are notable, I don't think there are any sources to describe them as "significant" nor do any sources discuss them in the context of Shapiro's body of work. Considering that the only available sources are reviews of individual works, the notability should go to the works themselves. Furthermore, the reviews provide virtually no WP:SIGCOV of Shapiro himself, which would leave this article a WP:PERMASTUB without verifiable biographical information. The absence of significant coverage points toward delete. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But there is enough coverage to write a non-stub article on Shapiro that is focused on his works. Frankly I find the sourcing on Modulations: A History of Electronic Music to be limited - it struggles to meet notability guidelines and it should be merged and redirected to the parent article Modulations: Cinema for the Ear, as a section in that page. As for WP:AUTHOR#3 - I am struggling to follow the above logic as the guidelines clearly do not require secondary coverage of the works as a body; a single book suffices. In this case we have at minimum one fully notable work and several more works with RS secondary coverage over a WP:SUSTAINED period, and the best place to manage this would be the single article on the author. To support this with an example, His 2005 book, The Rough Guide to Hip-Hop, has reliable sources both recommending it and stating it is important; but this is likely not enough for a standalone article, so the author article is the next best place. (Note - given the age of some of the books - we can very likely presume that offline coverage exists beyond a standard search engine). ResonantDis_tortion 16:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's what I question on criterion 3: is his work "significant and well-known"? I agree the one book meets the standard of "notable," but "significant and well-known" is different, if undefined. I find it difficult to understand how someone's work could be significant and well-known and the author of them remain sufficiently unknown that there are no reliable sources to validate even birth date or country of origin. (Sources disagree about whether Shapiro is American or British.) I'd be OK with a redirect of this page to an article for Turn the Beat Around if one were to be created, but without anything significant coverage I'm defaulting to WP:COMMONSENSE for a situation in which we can't really construct a biography. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are going to disagree on this one. Given there are a number of reliable sources dedicated to the subjects' other books, but are not sufficiently SIGCOV in and of themselves to create several separate articles for each, the best option (per my version of WP:COMMONSENSE!) would be the other way round: Turn the Beat Around: The Secret History of Disco should redirect to Peter Shapiro (journalist) so we have a single page for all his works. ResonantDis_tortion 02:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - With the addition of new sources, I don't see any particular concern with notability. Shankargb (talk) 02:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. To elucidate why I think the (many) book reviews of Shapiro's work don't constitute WP:SIGCOV of Shapiro himself, here's what the sigcov policy states: "We require 'significant coverage' in reliable sources so that we can actually write a whole article, rather than half a paragraph or a definition of that topic. If only a few sentences could be written and supported by sources about the subject, that subject does not qualify for a separate page, but should instead be merged into an article about a larger topic or relevant list." Right now, the article as it stands is just a few sentences, hardly any about Shapiro himself and about his work, and the sourcing doesn't really permit anything further to be written. As noted above, we don't even have the most basic information about his life. Thus my argument that the books are notable but that the author is not. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HiQnet edit

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None of the references pass the WP:SIRS test, so fails WP:GNG. This should not have been moved out of draftspace. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marcelo Moraes Caetano edit

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Article is full of puffery and reads like a résumé/autobiography. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. Sgubaldo (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. GS citations show negligible impact as yet. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Man on the Hill edit

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Fails WP:GNG, contains a concerning amount of copyvioed material and close paraphrasing, created in draftspace and accepted by a sock. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 15:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Delete‎ per WP:A7, tagged by nominator. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 16:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asuna Gilfoyle edit

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No evidence that he meets GNG. The sources used are primary (and negligible) and I was unable to find any references that would establish his notability. JSFarman (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Frank Ling edit

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British actor who does not pass WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. BEFORE search turns up no additional references whatsoever in reliable sources. Birth and death information come from IMDb, which is WP:USERGENERATED and thus unreliable. Setting aside IMDb, all we know is that he existed and had minor roles in six films. (The BFI database includes references to his name and roles, but no significant coverage.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Systemic vulnerability edit

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Likely not notable, the listed reference is the only one I can find that has the same use of systemic vulnerability, others refer to "systemic vulnerability" usually in information technology. Love, Cassie. (Talk to me!) 14:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I found this [27]. Maybe it helps? Conyo14 (talk) 04:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

4Dwm edit

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I think this fails WP: N. There was a previous nomination in 2021 that failed on the basis that there are mentions of the software in Google Books and Google Scholar. However, these sources are either not independent (published by Silicon Graphics) or are not in-depth (passing mentions in a book chapter or a paper). HyperAccelerated (talk) 14:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to IRIX: no independent notability. Owen× ☎ 15:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Faye Travel Insurance edit

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Company that fails WP:NCORP. On this page, sources 1, 5, and 7 are WP:ORGTRIV coverage of capital raises. Source 2 is coverage of a Faye founder and does not reference the subject. Sources 3 and 10 are commercial, commission-driven review sites paired with Faye's advertising (editorially not under the Wall Street Journal newsroom, caveat lector!). Source 6 is a WP:INTERVIEW. Source 8 provides passing mention of the subject, not significant coverage, and Source 9 appears to be sponsor content/paid placement since there is a clear VentureBeat editorial disclaimer at the bottom. Additional sources found in WP:BEFORE search are sponsor content, trivial coverage, or other reviews on commission-driven websites. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This is a startup. Startups are usually not notable. Exceptions exist yet not for Faye. gidonb (talk) 13:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I am the one who reviewed this at AfC and you can see discussion on the talk page in that regard, as well as my talk page. I am tough on company sourcing and will say there are at least two sources that go beyond WP:ROUTINE and meet WP:ORGCRIT. However, the argument would be moot at this point since page creator has requested deletion on my talk page. I advised them to come here but would say that moving it back to draft would be a good WP:ATD based on their deletion request. --CNMall41 (talk) 08:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @CNMall41 - thanks for your work at AfC. What sources do you think meet ORGCRIT? If the original editor wants to draftify, I'm happy to agree to that as an AtD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Englart edit

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Fails WP:NBIO. The majority of sources are primary or don't provide significant coverage. There is only one source that contributes to notability. — GMH Melbourne (talk) 14:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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'''Delete''' - agree that the Herald Sun / Moreland Leader source is the only one contributing to notability - this is insufficient for establishing wider notability. Combined with the primary sources, it is overall insufficient at this time to merit inclusion. WmLawson (talk) 23:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• *Delete. A lot of primary sources; many are self-published - fails WP:BIO. Includes partisan commentary – fails WP:NPOV. Consider adding mention to 1998 Australian waterfront dispute depending on sources. Spinifex&Sand (talk) 23:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet WP:GNG standards and sources are minor, partisan or questionable. Delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 18:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uzma Beg edit

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So at first glance, this BLP looks legit but upon but digging deeper, I couldn't find any major roles in TV shows or movies as required per WP:ACTOR. Also, when I tried to find more about the subject per WP:BEFORE, I didn't come across enough coverage to meet WP:GNG either. Plus, it's worth noting that this BLP was created back in 2021 by a SPA Sahgalji (talk · contribs) and has been mostly edited by UPEs so there's COI issues as well. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: some of her roles in notable productions seem significant enough, so that she meets WP:NACTOR imv and deletion is not necessary. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Mushy Yank, In which shows, if I may ask? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example, Chupke Chupke, Pyari Mona, Hum Tum.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC) (Again, sorry but so many Afds related to Pakistan/TV series, I might not reply here any further, should you, as I expect, not find the sources to your liking for one reason or another or if clarifications are needed; it was already challenging for me to find time to check some of them and !vote).[reply]

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Hart and Shepard edit

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Fails WP:NCORP. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as per the Harvard magazine article and Union Leader newspaper article already in the article, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - While Harvard magazine and a single article in the Union Leader may be reliable for use in verifying facts, just those two citations together are insufficient for establishing notability. The two publications would appear to not have the circulation/audience necessary to demonstrate notability beyond a small region or special interest niche. The citations do not show that Hart and Shepard is anything close to a household name. CapnPhantasm (talk) 03:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - anything from that period that is even being discussed today in magazine articles is surely noteworthy. An additional source: the "famous Dorothy cloak" made by Hart and Shepard is held by the Shaker Museum, and is discussed in Beverly Gordon's 1990 research paper "Victorian Fancy Goods: Another Reappraisal of Shaker Material Culture". A different take is provided by Antiques and the Arts ("Smalls Bring Big Prices At Willis Henry Shaker Sale" of 4 December 2007) which notes the high prices fetched by the cloaks. I am certain there are numerous other such sources that credibly establish the importance of this brand, back in its heyday. And "Once notable, always notable". Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Dorothy Durgin. An article on the "Dorothy Cloak" or the "Shaker Cloak" would appear to meet GNG as a standalone topic, but a topic on this organization/company fails GNG/WP:NCORP and therefore a Delete is in order. A search on Google Books for "Dorothy Cloak" provides lots of suitable references. HighKing⁺⁺ 09:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and delete, per HighKing. Fails NCORP. JoelleJay (talk) 22:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hüseyin Baş edit

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Never elected to any political office that makes one inherently notable, not enough source to establish GNG too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This article appears to be a direct translation of tr:Hüseyin Baş. I tried to move some of the sources from there to here after it was translated without the references intact. There is one additional source used on that language wiki here but I don't know if it's of any use. (After review I can see that a user script marks that link as unreliable - this one has low hopes but I don't think I will be weighing in as someone with no context otherwise.)Recon rabbit 23:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Except for offices within the party proper, the person in question does not seem to have been elected to or held any public regional or national offices in Turkey. Fails NPOL, ANYBIO, and GNG as Vanderwaalforces points out. The article may be relevant for Turkish WP, but it is not (yet) relevant for English WP. --Konanen (talk) 18:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Memoona Qudoos edit

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At first glance, the actor appears to be well-known with numerous roles in television serials, films, and what not. However, upon closer inspection, it becomes evident that the subject only had minor roles in the majority of those television serials and films, thus failing to meet NACTOR. Anyone wishing to argue based on GNG must provide THREE, i repeat, THREE of the best coverages in RS -only. ROTM coverage like this, this and even INTERVIEWS like this is not enough to meet GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She is notable. In this source her education and how she started is all mentioned [28] and her married life source in this [29].(BeauSuzanne (talk) 07:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- BeauSuzanne, Your comments sound WP:ATA. These coverages can be used for WP:V, but they're not enough to establish WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I am not talking about WP:V. I am saying that it meets WP:NACTOR. It has mentioned her drama roles and her recent role of Shehna.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    - BeauSuzanne, Could you provide evidence that the subject had major roles? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep because the interviews in rather reliable sources have a presentation that might show her roles are signficant. If not why not DRAFITY until better sources are found, so as to avoid the risk of constant recreations/deletion and mutual frustration?-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Mushy Yank, Roznama92News isn't even a RS. It's just one of the countless Urdu language newspapers circulated in Pakistan. And I wouldn't outright label the interview in The News as a paid placement since I lack evidence, but considering the nature of the questions posed by the interviewer, it's a plausible possibility. Anyhow, I'm fine with DRAFITIFICATION, though. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Heil edit

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Redirect to List of Hull Kingston Rovers players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Three professional appearances is not notable, oppose above redirect as he has played for multiple clubs, can't even say he spent the most time at KR. Mn1548 (talk) 13:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Hull Kingston Rovers players as he’s not notable enough on his own. Go4thProsper (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nathan Vasquez (lawyer) edit

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The references are pretty much all churnalism about his election campaign. One is about an ethics complaint, so is about him. Two are geofenced from me. After hw won, the remainder are P pieces about the win. Fails WP:NPOLITICIAN, failed WP:BIO. He was a WP:ROTM attorney, doing his job, now a DA doing his job. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~WP:TOOSOON. That guys been a prosecutor for a long, long time. It maybe created once notability has been established, but at this point, no.~~ Graywalls (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. He's a successful candidate for a notable elected office. WP:BLP1E only applies when "[t]he person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual," which won't happen here. WP:NPOL is here to keep Wikipedia from getting cluttered with local officials who don't get coverage and unsuccessful candidates whose only notability is associated with the race. Moreover, he has received significant coverage in local and national media (AP, New York Times, New York Times, Oregonian, Willamette Week). Furthermore, national reliable sources have covered Vasquez in the context of the political significance of his win; see New York magazine and Politico. The most we could do is draftify it until January 1, but I think the sources justify keeping the article now, and delaying the inevitable creation of a virtually identical article for a few months strikes me as a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per above. It would be ridiculous to say he's not notable until the moment he takes office in six months now that he's won. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Dclemens1971. Subject is obviously notable, in my opinion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Dclemens1971. I disagree with characterizing the sources as churnalism, particularly the national coverage (and there are many more that could be added). Vasquez is part of a notable trend of centrist challengers defeating progressive DAs in most major cities on the west coast, which continues to attract coverage. He will oversee enforcement of Portland's homelessness policies (which have been covered by NYT and others for several years), and may receive significantly increased coverage if the pending Supreme Court decision (brought by plaintiffs in Oregon) overturns restrictions on homeless enforcement as widely expected. He will also take office in the aftermath of drug re-criminalization in Oregon. Any deletion would be temporary as national coverage is very likely to continue after he is sworn in. Jamedeus (talk) 23:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Subject is very notable. His win and the election as a whole have been reported on national news (AP, NY Post, other local sources, etc). PortlandSaint (talk) 03:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SNOW Keep Vasquez just won the election according to every notable source previously cited, and is therefore the incoming District Attorney of Multnomah County, the most populous county in the state of Oregon. Per WP:JUDGE, local elected officials who have received significant press coverage are automatically presumed to be notable. The guideline also specifically states that people who have not yet assumed an office may still be considered notable. Steven Walling • talk 03:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject meets the WP:GNG through multiple independent, reliable sources. Let'srun (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adrianus Warmenhoven edit

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Fails WP ANYBIO, GNG BoraVoro (talk) 12:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete Not enough secondary coverage. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Incubate and draftify at this point. This article was created today, and (understandably) requires improved sources and expansion. I am not wholly convinced that the subject meets WP:BIO, however, I'm inclined to believe that he meets WP:GNG. I believe a Dutch speaker may be able to dig up better sources, however the subject appears to have been a trailblazer in cybersecurity, and appears to meet criterion 7 of WP:NACADEMIC. He was the primary subject of this WP:RS. Warmenhoven gave a keynote presentation at a 2018 NLUUG conference as a subject-matter expert on cybersecurity, the abstract page of which outlines a biography alluding to notability. He was cited as a supervisory research advisor in a cybersecurity Master's thesis. He was the subject of this interview with Marketplace. There are a few other sources a google search reveals fairly quickly that do not appear to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV, but do contribute towards the subject's greater notability. Alternatively, this article could be kept and improved on the main namespace, however I am suggesting incubation given the age of the article and the state is presently in. Bgv. (talk) 00:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Falls short of the GNG. Was removed at the lower quality Nlwiki. gidonb (talk) 01:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Methanol economy edit

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As we now know almost everything is being electrified rather than going to methanol it is not worth spending time to fix the problems with this article - for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Methanol_economy#The_article_is_supposed_to_be_about_methanol_economy,_not_advocacy Chidgk1 (talk) 11:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question. Which deletion criterion is met here? Folly Mox (talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
8. Articles with subjects that fail to meet the relevant notability guidelines

or

14. Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia Chidgk1 (talk) 13:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having said that if anyone thinks it is worth their time merging into Methanol fuel, Hydrogen economy or any other article they could argue for that as an alternative to deletion Chidgk1 (talk) 13:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I agree that this needs a lot of work. But a Google Scholar search for "methanol economy" is pretty productive. It doesn't really matter whether this is a concept that is ever put into widespread practice; it's still a notable idea that has been widely discussed in peer-reviewed (and other) literature. Lubal (talk) 13:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I was really surprised to see this nomination. Even if it's true that the methanol-based economy will be driven out by electrification, how is that relevant? It doesn't alter the fact that this a topic worthy of an article. Athel cb (talk) 16:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There never was a “methanol-based economy”. I think that any info here worthy of being in an article could just as well be part of the Methanol fuel article Chidgk1 (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or keep. I don't agree with the deletion rationale. But the term is a buzzword, and the non-WP:SYNTH content would be better in Methanol fuel. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wun-Chang Shih edit

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Fails WP:NSKATE; bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. No international medal placements at all. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Plenty of Chinese sources with SIGCOV (eg, Liberty Times[30], [31], Central News Agency [32], My Formosa [zh][33]). His coaching career has also received media coverage (eg, TVBS News[34], Mirror Media[35], Central News Agency[36], [37]) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 09:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beastie Boys Square edit

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The topic of this article does not meet WP:NOTNEWS, WP:GNG or WP:GEOFEAT. In short, this is one of many commemorative street names given to locations in New York City. The only coverage is WP:PRIMARYNEWS coverage of the renaming being denied, then approved. A previous attempt to merge the content to Paul's Boutique#Beastie Boys Square (where the content has already existed since September 2023) per WP:NOPAGE was reverted. Epicgenius (talk) 10:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Restore merge location above, or merge to Beastie Boys. Fair game to mention somewhere, but I'm failing to see why it needs its own stand-alone article when there's so little of substance to say on it. Sergecross73 msg me 10:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there is quite a lot of coverage on the 10 year journey. There are plenty of articles, probably over 100 plus TV coverage.. it will, be included in books and it is a designated Sq in NYc. Def passes Wikipedia:GNG VeniceBreeze (talk) 18:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:MERGEREASON - even if there's sources, its a valid decision to merge things if the article is short and easily placed in the context of a related article, which perfectly fits in this situation. Sergecross73 msg me 18:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one looking for info on the square would go to an article about an album. I added several articles from 2014, 2019 and 2021 to show ongoing coverage but, there are thousands more and the article could certainly be improved beyond what would be appropriate for a section under Pauls Boutique. There is coverage on several votes, the guy who lobbied for it, and the tasks they had to accomplish to get it approved. I didnt write a front page article.. its 3 days old.. do what you want but there is 10 years of I n depth coverage.. VeniceBreeze (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The point about "no one looking for info" will be easily met by leaving a redirect from Beastie Boys Square. ColinFine (talk) 19:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Due to WP:REDIRECTs and how they work, people will find it just find it just find in the merge target if they type in the name in the search bar. And if there's "10 years of coverage", then you should use that to write an article with more substance and content. Right now its quite barren. Is there anything else to say other than "they tried a couple times and eventually it happened?". There's not much more than that right now... Sergecross73 msg me 20:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I updated it with some more info but the idea is they have a huge fanbase to contribute.. the article was 3 days old before he tried to delete it without even leaving me a message on my page. VeniceBreeze (talk) 05:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why wouldnt anyone think this is an important site that should have coordinates and a map pin for tourists? VeniceBreeze (talk) 05:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one is objecting to the inclusion of coordinates or a map. However, when I merged the article, it looked like this.
I understand you may feel offended that I didn't leave a message on your talk page when I merged the article. I did not delete anything; all of the content in the article, aside from the references, was already in Paul's Boutique#Beastie Boys Square, with some minor wording changes. To be honest, I was looking for reliable sources so the article could be expanded, but all I found were references that parroted what was already in the page, as well as unreliable sources. (This page currently contains four NY Post sources, which are generally not reliable per WP:NYPOST, and an Atlas Obscura geography article, which is not reliable per WP:AOPLACES.) – Epicgenius (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ny post is fine except for politics. Its the oldest and most read paper in ny. If you dont like it, a simple search for beastie boys square before 2020 results in 1000s of hits.[38]https://www.google.com/search?q=beastie+boys+square&sca_esv=cfae4c7047bddcaf&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS945US945&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2013%2Ccd_max%3A2019&sxsrf=ADLYWIIt9UAK34OYWynm8i2jGGNjm9pQxA%3A1716659031135&ei=VyNSZv7xB_7GkPIPmqGEqAo&ved=0ahUKEwi--YCeramGAxV-I0QIHZoQAaUQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=beastie+boys+square&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiE2JlYXN0aWUgYm95cyBzcXVhcmUyBBAjGCcyBBAjGCcyERAuGIAEGJECGMcBGIoFGK8BMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeSO0OUIkDWPwHcAF4AJABAJgBYKABowOqAQE1uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIFoAK5A8ICCxAuGIAEGMcBGK8BmAMAiAYBkgcDNC4xoAftIw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp VeniceBreeze (talk) 17:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to post an external link.. not sure why that all came out. I posted more sources incase the ny post doesnt represent reputable coverage of The Beastie Boys and NYC events. VeniceBreeze (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not what WP:NYPOST says... Sergecross73 msg me 21:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be an experienced editor.. why are you purposely being ignorant and obtuse? I said i added additional articles.. LA Times, Variety, Billboard, Rolling Stone.. all prior to the 2020 coverage.. there is plenty for an article and its a tourist attraction. VeniceBreeze (talk) 22:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does that have to do what I said? You said NY Post was okay to use outside of politics. That's objectively not the current stance. Sergecross73 msg me 23:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does it not say i added billboard, rolling stone, variety,and the LA Times if you werent happy w the NY Post's coverage of the Beastie Boys. All before 2020? VeniceBreeze (talk) 03:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't commenting on everything you said, I was merely singling out a falsehood you stated in your argument. You haven't countered that point at all, so I'll assume you're dropping that aspect of your argument. Sergecross73 msg me 13:36, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop trying to provoke me into an argument. You can lawyer all you want but an easy search shows how many articles the nypost is cited in. Also, i feel very threatened and triggered by the messages and attempts to provoke me on my talk page. I would appreciate it if you would keep the conversation here. Im done working on this article.. if 20 years of experience lead you tp these beliefs, fine. I believe in quantum information storage, so if your lying it will be recorded for eternity. Best of luck to everyone.. good bye beastie boys square, no page forever.. thanks to these voters VeniceBreeze (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not trying to provoke you into anything. I corrected your statement on the NYP and notified you of WP:NPA on your talk page since you keep calling me "ignorant" and "obtuse" for not agreeing with you. How you feel threatened by this series of events is beyond baffling to me. Sergecross73 msg me 19:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore merge to Paul's Boutique § Beastie Boys Square, which contains content identical to the article, although missing the Gothamist source. A merge will preserve the visibility of the history and the functionality of inbound links. Folly Mox (talk) 12:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Mad Pooper edit

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Fails SIGCOV. This is about one lady(?) who pooped near people's houses. News outlets reported on it in 2017, but this doesn't meet the standard for sustained, significant coverage. Zanahary (talk) 09:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "similar cases" also seem to me to constitute a coatrack of insignificant stories tied to the topic by original research, since at a glance their sources don't seem connect these other poopers to the one of the article. Zanahary (talk) 09:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into a new section in Open defecation. Not sure what it should be called though? Orange sticker (talk) 10:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having created the article, I have begun to think it now might be better off being expanded into something like List of public defecation incidents, since some others are mentioned in the article now. I would distinguish "public defecation" from open defecation in that the latter, the existing article makes clear, covers situations where people have to do this for lack of adequate sanitary infrastructure, whereas public defecation takes place when people do have public toilets available yet for whatever reason choose not to use them.

There is apparently some academic research into the latter phenomenon, which would establish notability, yet it was paywalled when I looked at it back in 2017. Daniel Case (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I agree there should be an article/section/list about the phenomenon which seems notable if not the individual incidents/people (well truthfully I wish there didn't need to be an article at all...) Orange sticker (talk) 08:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. As the OP points out, there is not sustained coverage of this person or this incident. Additionally, since this is about a specific and likely living human—even if an unidentified one—wouldn't WP:BLP apply? And I'm not sure an article that is solely about, well, this episode in a person's life is quite in the spirit of that. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 07:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point! I affirm. Zanahary (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the article is a regurgitation of tabloid coverage and speculation from 2017. As noted above, it would probably be a BLP violation if the (unknown) perpetrator were named. Walsh90210 (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I don't think this is really a BLP violation (it's all cited and she is not named) but it's not sustained coverage. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Austrian Open edit

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$5000 tournament at bwf international level which doesn't meet the notability criteria WP:GNG, WP:NSPORTS and WP:NBAD. The only notable ones which get enough coverage in notable websites are World Tour tournaments.

Moreover the tournament winners are already mentioned here in Austrian International page as each of those editions can't be created on their own due to notability issue.zoglophie^•talk• 08:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, was unable to find non-primary sources. ✶Qux yz ✶ 16:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – As WP:ATD. The event is ongoing and the article was recently created, if there are more sources they can be added accordingly. Svartner (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agnostic theism edit

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In the eight years since the last deletion discussion not a single reliable source has been added to substantiate that this is a term in use in the field of theology. Moreover the page contains what looks like original research.

The two sentences in the lede that say "An agnostic theist believes in the existence of one or more gods, but regards the basis of this proposition as unknown or inherently unknowable. The agnostic theist may also or alternatively be agnostic regarding the properties of the god or gods that they believe in." are really just a basic definition of belief in its religious usage.

There are exactly three references on this page;

This reference Benn, Piers (December 1999). Hall, Ronald L. (ed.). "Some Uncertainties about Agnosticism". International Journal for Philosophy of Religion. 46 (3). Berlin and New York: Springer Verlag: 171–188. doi:10.1023/A:1003792325966 does not even mention the term agnostic theism.

This reference Seidner, Stanley S. (June 10, 2009) "A Trojan Horse: Logotherapeutic Transcendence and its Secular Implications for Theology doesn't seem to exist. It claims to be archived at the wayback machine but it returns a not found error. Regardless it is being used to cite a suppositional statement about epistemology generally and says nothing about the purported existence of agnostic theism as a concept.

This reference Weatherhead, Leslie (1972). The Christian Agnostic. Abingdon Press. ISBN 978-0-687-06977-4 is being used to cite a statement about the specific characteristics of Christian agnosticism, which has it's own page.

Every other thing I could turn up in a web search is just sourced from this article verbatim. Morgan Leigh | Talk 08:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Is this not a more general term for this? Christian agnosticism Alexanderkowal (talk) 11:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - per nom, the topic of the article, being agnostic sects or elements of theist religions, could be written about, however it needs to come from RS and not be WP:Synth

Alexanderkowal (talk) 11:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - some of the later uses in Google Scholar might be WP:CIRCULAR from people who learned about it from wikipedia but a search of Google Scholar prior to 2005 shows that this is used to describe viewpoints associated with Charles Darwin and T. H. Huxley. So it seems to pass WP:GNG on its own by association with highly notable people. Psychastes (talk) 19:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What a good find! Unless some other sources turn up to support the stuff that is in the article at present it is going to pretty much need a complete rewrite. Morgan Leigh | Talk Morgan Leigh | Talk 03:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fortunately, WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Conyo14 (talk) 04:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Psychastes. I'd rewrite the article if I had full access to those books too. Oh well. Conyo14 (talk) 04:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Pune car crash edit

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WP:NOTABILITY, WP:NOTNEWS, no significant coverage outside India and trivial commentary by a few politicians, possibly because it happened during the 2024 Indian general election. Borgenland (talk) 07:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As stated in WP:N(E), "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) [...] are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." There's nothing about this event that indicates it has (or will have) enduring significance. Ethmostigmus (talk | contribs) 11:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It will have enduring significance, we are seeing members of the current ruling party lauchpadding this case for the movement of judicial reform. 27.63.231.66 (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which coinciding with the general election, may as well be an electoral stunt that everyone will forget. Borgenland (talk) 18:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Very much a routine automobile accident, you could replace "Pune" with almost any city around the globe and the story would be the same. NOTNEWS Oaktree b (talk) 15:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Automobile accidents are very common, run of the mill incidents, sure, this incident may have gotten a tad bit more attention from politicians and the news, but at the end of the day, its frankly not really news. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It has got significant coverage for now. It will take sometime to see if it meets WP:LASTING. Ratnahastin (talk) 17:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: And until then, relevant policies stipulate that the incident is not notable, and an article on it therefore cannot be sustained. If this is still in the news two years from now, I expect anyone still interested can recreate it at that time. Ravenswing 15:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:RAPID. Not the right time to decide notability of the subject that has already got enough coverage. Srijanx22 (talk) 19:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is incredibly MILL and probably didn't need the usual pointlessly rageful Republic/NDTV overcoverage which seems to be openly turning a simple vehicular death incident into exactly what they want. There won't be lasting coverage and it will likely end with private settlements and other justice currently happening now. Nate • (chatter) 22:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Still getting coverage.[39] ArvindPalaskar (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ reiterate a minimal casualty toll, non-notable victims (that the suspect was driving a Porsche is mere WP:TRIVIA) and no significant coverage outside India. Borgenland (talk) 06:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This above comment is posted by the same editor who also nominated this article for deletion.[40] Ratnahastin (talk) 06:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stricken for emphasis. That's right. You need to sign + timestamp all nominations, Borgenland, which already count as your preference to delete (!vote). El_C 07:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Didn’t notice that in the starter. Thanks! Borgenland (talk) 07:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, all good. El_C 07:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per NOTNEWS and above in general. The Kip ^(contribs) 08:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for the reasons others have mentioned, if this is something that will become notable then it's WP:TOOSOON. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 10:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep To say that an article should be deleted only because it concerns a recent incident is not sensible. Should wait for some weeks before doing AfD in these cases. Shankargb (talk) 15:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not that it's recent so much as it's a completely run of the mill drunk driving crash that killed two people. It quite literally is not notable. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

... which was stated in the OP. What isn't sensible is to base an opinion at AfD based on cherrypicking only one element of the nomination. Ravenswing 17:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Run-of-the-mill car crash of which hundreds of the same scale occur every day. Just because something receives a small burst of news coverage does not mean it is notable. Curbon7 (talk) 17:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SUSTAINED etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete run of the mill accident without the depth or extent of media coverage, such that it is not notable. The only thing setting it apart is the odd bail conditions, but that is insufficient to give it notability. Local Variable (talk) 10:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete doesn't seem notable to me at all. These types of crashes occur every day. Sadustu Tau (talk) 10:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep While vehicle accidents are not automatically notable, this one is a different case. 2024 elections are not really relevant for this incident. This car crash has gained significant worldwide coverage, [41] contrary to this AfD nomination. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 16:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doubtful over its sustainable coverage though. At this rate it is a mere eccentric news from abroad. Borgenland (talk) 16:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as it's basically a car crash, which will not generate sustained coverage. If it does indeed generate long-term coverage, it can be recreated. OhHaiMark (talk) 16:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (1)The case has garnered significant media coverage with each & every update of the case being telecasted and covered across the board. Multiple national politicians have already made comments on it during the ongoing 2024 Indian General Elections. Therefore the subject is already notable enough for an independent page. The incident is of national coverage and has already brought the discussion on the Judiciary and Police executives to the forefront. (2) Being a recent news, as per WP:RAPID it is better to keep the page for now since there is no deadline to delete the page. Moreover, if its not WP:SUSTAINED in future, it can always be deleted. (3) For WP:TOOSOON multiple developments have already taken place in the investigation with reactions from many notable people. Therefore it is not too soon and sufficient time has already passed. EditorOnJob (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep the incident is clearly notable, and it passes Wikipedia:Notability (events). The incident is being covered all over India in reliable sources. Nominator's rationale "no significant coverage outside India is also inappropriate. Most of the murders, and missing persons cases (from all over the world) do not get international coverage, very few do. When the car crash took place, I thought the coverage was sensationalism, but later the decisions were cancelled, and now three generations are in custody source. The resulting coverage is now not sensationalism. According to this, (posted on 23, crash was on 19) it has grabbed national attention. The car crash has also reopened the investigation of a hit placed by Surndra Agarwal on a corporator through mafia/underworld don [42] Two doctors of state-run hospital were arrested source. These things do not happen with run of the mill car crashes. —usernamekiran (talk) 13:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:SUSTAINED. If there are significant changes in popular media, legislation etc. because of this event over the next few years then we can recreate the article. Also to the nom, that "no significant coverage outside India" is definitely uncalled for. --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a multinational news story. It is not about a car crash, but instead about social issues such as wealth avoiding legal consequences, bribery, rich young people using alcohol, the rights of common people versus rich, and others. This is not a routine report of an automobile collision, nor is it local, and the story is very likely to have ongoing updates because of further developments including the bribery accusations and accusations of corruption of doctors, police, and the courts. Bluerasberry (talk) 12:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not least because of the enormous BLP violations contained within, including claims of criminality and intent that have not been fully adjudicated and the publication of minors' and non-notable victims' names. If the topic eventually does receive sustained attention, it can easily be refunded, but right now it is doing far more harm to victims' families in addition to contributing to sensationalist non-NPOV political reporting. JoelleJay (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atomic Notebook edit

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No sources, and Google gives me "No results found for "atomic notebook" "luhmannis"."[43] Fram (talk) 07:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or redirect to Zettelkasten, which appears to be a practically identical concept. It is very difficult to find instances of "atomic notebook" being used in this way, so I am unsure whether a redirect is suitable. On the other hand, "atomic note" seems to be a more common term. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 08:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a very unlikely search term for this as well, judging from Google. It looks like the article is just a way to get traffic to or attention for a company, [44]. Fram (talk) 08:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judging from what I just reverted elsewhere, this is a novel concept created by the article creator1[45]. Fram (talk) 08:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:NEOLOGISM with no usage in reliable sources. Leaving aside the neologism in the title, the subject that the article attempts to name and describe is a kind of data model for a personal knowledge base: see Personal knowledge base § Data models, where granularity is the word used for the (degree of the) atomic quality in the neologism "Atomic Notebook". If such a data model requires more coverage in Wikipedia, it would be best to begin by expanding that coverage in the article Personal knowledge base. A notebook is just one metaphor for such a data model; as Helpful Raccoon mentioned above, a card file (in German, Zettelkasten) is another metaphor for such a data model. But no matter which metaphor you choose (and here's a long list of such metaphors for example), what you're essentially describing here is a data model for a personal knowledge base. Biogeographist (talk) 21:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Atomic Note Taking is a more modern (and more used) term for the concept Zettelkasten, so happy to redirect there instead. Also not happy with the implication that I'm trying to drive traffic for corporate sponsorship, that was never my intention. Стиво (talk) 11:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason at all to redirect this, it hasn't received any outside attention and isn't discussed at the target (and shouldn't be included there for the same reason). Fram (talk) 12:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that a redirect isn't appropriate. It needs to be deleted. Note the lack of any supporting reliable sources for the article creator's claim that it's a widely used term. Biogeographist (talk) 13:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mordella auropubescens edit

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This beetle species is absent from any up-to-date database I can access, and does not show up in any literature searches. The GBIF entry appears to have been removed for unknown reasons some time after the article was created. Barring clear and recent presence in the records, I think this is not a currently accepted taxon. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this may be a genus-level issue. Of the first ten species listed at Mordella, one has been reassigned within the genus, two to a different genus, and four have been deleted from GBIF and are otherwise undetectable. Ouch. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Looks like Mordella is a wastebin taxa that needs a lot of rework. I concur this appears to be a species that is no longer accepted. With no information more than what is on the article, I can't support maintaining this article. UtherSRG (talk) 11:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES since this looks like it's not a valid species name. If anyone can dig into the sources for the other species name changes, maybe that might give a clue as to what's going on with the entire genus, but it sounds like it may be defunct. KoA (talk) 13:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Something is definitely up with that. CoL lists no species within the genus, but offers half a dozen synonymized instances, so at the very least there have been a lot of reassignments. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ray, 1936, is the author of only a few valid names, all of them in the genus Mordellistena. I can't find any confirmation of the existence of this particular name even as a synonym, but it isn't impossible that it was published and has since vanished from online sources. That said, until and unless it can be confirmed, I would support deletion. Dyanega (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to [46] the original description is in "Arb. morph. tax. Ent. 3, 215". Plantdrew (talk) 15:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. You may be right, but IRMNG seems to accept the species. See https://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=11516213 Note that the words after Environment (~~marine~~, ~~brackish~~) are struck out. We have an article on Tomoxioda auropubescens Ermisch, 1950, which is also a beetle, and which shares the same specific epithet as Mordella auropubescens. That's not enough evidence that Tomoxioda auropubescens is the new name for Mordella auropubescens, but it's a strong hint that someone who knows more about beetles than I do might want to explore. If this is a simple change of genus, the good article should have an explanation of that added, and the bad article could be replaced with a redirect to the good name. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IRMNG added it because GBIF added it. But then GBIF deleted it, and I don't think IRMNG deletes it when GBIF does, so its presence in IRMNG doesn't hold much weight. And T. auropubesens was also deleted at GBIF, so is probably not long for the AFD route... - UtherSRG (talk) 17:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I've found the original description. [47] The holotype is from Brazil. I have not yet found the text of Ermisch's description of T. auropubescens but it was apparently published in "Die Gattungen der Mordelliden der Welt. Entomologische Blätter 45-46: 34-92" with a type from Sumatra, so apparently unrelated. Choess (talk) 05:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Villowo edit

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No evidence of any notability, could not find independent sources with significant attention for the sport. Fram (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. The page does not provide reliable sources showing that the sport meets the general notability guideline. RangersRus (talk) 11:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A non-notable localised sport. AA (talk) 12:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per my check, I found nothing that would make this subject meet WP:GNG. It requires multiple independent, reliable sources with in-depth coverage to establish notability. GrabUp - Talk 17:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Poorly referenced and specific to a crazy sport no corresponding article on another wiki. Svartner (talk) 22:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom. Lacks coverage.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shannon Rick edit

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 06:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abubakar Muhammad Zakaria edit

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No significant coverage in independent, reliable secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG. - AlbeitPK (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article clearly meets the WP:ACADEMIC policy 4 no criteria. Because, some books written by him are taught in the university of Bangladesh, See here. ~ Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 09:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Independent and reliable sources are available. Also, several academic books are taught in university.Md Joni Hossain (talk) 14:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Our Lady of Lourdes Church, Visuvasampatti edit

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No evidence that this local church passes WP:GNG or WP:NORG. All sources cited are affiliated with the church or diocese and thus not independent. A WP:BEFORE search turns up no additional sources to support notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Infant Jesus Church, Selliampatti edit

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No evidence that this local church passes WP:GNG or WP:NORG. All sources cited are affiliated with the church or diocese and thus not independent. A WP:BEFORE search turns up no additional sources to support notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of current yeomanry units of the British Army edit

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The scope of this list is the same as the scope of two sections of Yeomanry. PercyPigUK (talk) 11:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - unnecessary and duplicates content. Not actually even sure the R is needed. JMWt (talk) 07:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not even merging is an option as it's just a copy of Yeomanry. Based.Kashmiri ^(🗨️) 08:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Content fork, and repetition, of Yeomanry but with 45x less average views. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Italian Syrians edit

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This isn’t really a topic here. Specifically there is nothing here to suggest that there is a current or recent community of Syrians of Italian heritage. The article discusses Romans of Syrian origins (off topic), then the arrival of Livorno Jews (should be merged into History of the Jews in Syria, and the rest is anecdote and a section copy-pasted from Italy–Syria relations to fill out the article and make it look like an actual topic. Mccapra (talk) 05:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have reviewed a similar page, which is Italians in Lebanon, the name is different yes, but the page literally doesn’t define anything. Most sources aren’t accessible anymore and the source I can access is the Vinivest 2011? I know this isn’t the time to compare. But, what should the page by about if not Romans of Syrian descent and the history of both countries and the arrivals of the Italian Jews to Syria? I see no reason for all this, and suggest removing it. 2001:8F8:1473:5EF2:848C:A013:291F:7463 (talk) 00:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Orange Bowl broadcasters edit

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the Orange Bowl is one of the most important bowl games, see [48], [49], [50], [51], [52]Esolo5002 (talk) 16:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ROUTINE and WP:ITSIMPORTANT applies. This is not about the notability of the games itself. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SpacedFarmer: You're practically speaking very subjectively when you state that this is another case of something to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans, especially without accompanying evidence to backup such a general statement. It almost sounds like your your saying that something like this shouldn't be around because you personally don't care, heard much of, or understand or have much reverence college football or its history and background. Just because it may not personally appeal to you doesn't instantly mean that there's otherwise, little merit in something like this. BornonJune8 (talk) 11:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When I said appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans, I meant this list, not the sport as a whole. Did you pay attention to that? Of course not. As an non-American, we all know how popular the sport is to you Americans. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NB: This user (BornonJune8) has a history of exclusively targeting my AfD with a keep vote, despite how weak they are. This was because I nominated one of his article for AfD. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you pay attention to that? Of course not.
Please keep it civil. Zanahary (talk) 09:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources dating back to the 1950s on television are being added at this very moment. And more will soon come to help bolster the WP:RS needs. BornonJune8 (talk) 10:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source is about an announcment of an analyst, the other is an announcment of TV coverage. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As of now, there are at least 70 different references, and almost 60 just recently added in regards to not only CBS' earliest television coverage of the Orange Bowl, but their coverage in the 1990s. There also are now references/sources that have been added for NBC's television coverage from the 1960s on through the early 1990s and Fox's coverage during the late 2000s. Sources for ABC's during the late '90s and first portion of the 2000s and ESPN's coverage from the 2010s on through the present day just need to added as well as sources for the radio coverage. BornonJune8 (talk) 9:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
I had a check: some focuses heavily on the games with the coverage being a side piece, some are WP:PRIMARY, some are announcments or talk about the announcers, some are 404. Like Wikipedia, you know that IMDB does not count as a reliable source. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This list was almost entirely unsourced when it was nominated at AfD. In just a couple days of effort, some 70 sources (of varying quality) have been added. Combine the ongoing sourcing effort with the fact that this was for nearly a century one of the big three college football games (Rose, Orange, Sugar), I lean to keeping. Cbl62 (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I expect the article to improve though. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 00:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars extended by diplomatic irregularity edit

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Nothing has substantially improved, and the issue is still that this a list of trivia. Indeed, having looked up Loose Cannons by Graeme Donald, which was cited in the last discussion, I find that its subtitle is "101 Myths, Mishaps, And Misadventures Of Military History". In other words, it is a book of military trivia, and I note that Mental Floss is cited in the article. The whole premise is questionable, particularly in these days of mostly undeclared warfare, and the inclusion criteria don't match the members. Mangoe (talk) 05:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not encyclopaedic. Lorstaking (talk) 06:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rylo Huncho edit

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Coverage only concerns his suicide. See WP:BLP1E. TolWol (talk) 04:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Ratnahastin (talk) 04:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Was not meeting musical notability while alive, his death would not make him more notable. No coverage found outside of his death, not meeting notability guidelines Oaktree b (talk) 15:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not notable for being a musician. Notable for the manner of his death, which is already yesterday's news and certainly doesn't merit its own Wikipedia page. --Jkaharper (talk) 09:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not a notable person. --JaneciaTaylor (talk) 07:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

wikipedia editors when it comds to demeaning a kid who accidentally shot himself: 2605:59C8:2653:8B10:EBBB:1D42:4291:808A (talk) 23:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gayathri Vivekanandan edit

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BLP that has already been moved into and back out of draftspace so bringing here for consensus. The subject is a successful business leader but that is not the basis for a Wikipedia article. Mccapra (talk) 04:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Recently, the draft was declined by me. Upon my further check, I couldn’t find anything other than interviews or her own words in articles. These sources are not in-depth and can’t establish notability. The subject fails to meet WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 04:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I had performed an BEFORE prior to S0091's draftification, and believe it very likely that the subject is not able to meet BASIC. With the history, I am also convinced this article is likely an undisclosed advertisement. Honestly I'd call it borderline A7, but its probably easier to let this run and deal witb future creations via G4. Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. See related AfD (same article creator, MeltPees) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Speech Prof —David Eppstein (talk) 06:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This page on this living person is poorly sourced with no significant coverage to consider the subject notable to warrant a page on. RangersRus (talk) 11:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Same article creator and same issues, I'm unable to locate sources that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 16:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per GNG. I was unable to find any non-trivial coverage of the subject via reliable sources. JSFarman (talk) 16:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Couldn't find enough to establish notability with no significant coverage of the subject. Fails GNG -- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 15:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Pomfret edit

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Clearly and blatantly promotional. Reads like a resume. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 04:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: A few obituaries (not about this person) are all I find; this reads like a Linkedin biography. Nothing notable, simply a working lawyer. Oaktree b (talk) 00:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Not notable as a lawyer. If notable at all, this would be as a gay-catholic author. And then the article would need work. That part was already implied above. Rather than taking a clear position, providing my partial findings to those commenting after me. gidonb (talk) 19:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Michael McLintock edit

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Fails WP:GNG and all coverage seems to be in passing. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 04:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comparison of photo stitching software edit

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Everything is either unsourced or reliant exclusively on primary sources discussing individual pieces of software to paint a picture that no source explicitly makes AKA performing improper synthesis. Additionally inherently violates WP:NOTDIR. Compare Dynluge's argument at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of XMPP server software, which I find convincing to this day and appears to be just as relevant. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nominator and WP:NOTCATALOGUE. Ajf773 (talk) 04:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It is full of WP:SYNTH. Orientls (talk) 06:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Should be called list of photo stitching software, it listing valid information about things on the list in the various columns, with some columns that perhaps shouldn't be there. But the vast majority of things in this list article do not have any articles for them. Category:Photo stitching software shows 17 total. Those could easily fit in Image_stitching#Software. Dream Focus 21:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Ultimately, Wikipedia is a website that combines features of many other types of websites; did Diderot's Encyclopédie have a list of LOST episodes? Of course not, but we do. Yes, yes, WP:OMGWTFBBQ, I'm well acquainted with all of the policies in question; but at the end of the day these policies exist for a reason, and the reason is to create a website that meaningfully informs its readers. For sixteen years this article has done that, quite well. If we look at policies like WP:NOT you can see that they were not intended to simply purge articles on the basis of not being "serious enough" (i.e. WP:NOTCHANGELOG was specifically written to include articles consisting of Android and Chrome version histories). If this is cruft, then God bless cruft. jp×g 🗯️ 11:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a discussion about sourcing. What did anything you wrote have anything to do with sourcing? HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is a discussion about whether an article titled "comparison of photo stitching software" should exist on the English Wikipedia.

What kind of "sourcing" do you think we need for the claim that Adobe Lightroom is proprietary and not open-source? Do you actually think Adobe's own website is incorrect? What basis is there to think that?
The topic of comparing photo-stitching software is obviously notable and many people care about it. Here are some articles about it that I found after searching for about ten seconds:
Coleman, Alex (September 21, 2023). "Best Panorama Stitching Software for Photography". Photography Life.

"Best panorama stitching software: Retouching Forum: Digital Photography Review". www.dpreview.com.

"What is the best photo stitching software to use in 2024? | Skylum Blog". skylum.com.

"8 Best Photo Stitching Software for Making Panoramas [2024]". www.movavi.com.

"10 Best Photo Stitching Software in 2024 (Updated)". expertphotography.com. November 8, 2021.

"Top Photo Stitching Software for Breathtaking Panoramas". Cole's Classroom. December 7, 2020.

"9 Best Photo Stitching Software To Create Panorama Images". carlcheo.com.</ref>
People who are on the Internet looking for information (i.e. the people that this website actually exists to serve) are obviously interested in this subject, and it is not only possible but very easy for us to maintain high-quality well-sourced information for them. We do not need a long-form thinkpiece from The Atlantic to do this: we just need to cite reliable information about photo-stitching software. Adobe's website is a reasonable citation for how much Adobe's software costs. The thing being demanded here -- that somebody find a New York Times article or something listing how much Adobe Lightroom subscriptions cost, and then cite that instead of Adobe's website -- is unnecessary, unreasonable and likely impossible.

The idea that we should destroy this information is both inexplicable and infuriating, and when people have told me they no longer enjoy using Wikipedia as a resource, about eight times out of ten it happened after watching large amounts of neutral reliably-sourced material disappear forever because somebody found it aesthetically distasteful. jp×g 🗯️ 00:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The original research could be hypothetically cleaned up, but we'd need reliable sources that make meaningful comparisons between photo stitching software in order to preserve the article. I've found a couple self-published articles, but nothing that I would consider reliable. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to History of Alabama Crimson Tide football. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1918 Alabama Crimson Tide football team edit

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Alabama did not field a team in 1918, I don't see why an article is necessary when there is no such article for the 1898 season in which Alabama also did not field a team. Gazingo (talk) 03:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ Merge to History of Alabama Crimson Tide football: Subject does not meet the WP:NSEASONS, per previous consensus we don't keep articles for teams which didn't play any games. Let'srun (talk) 17:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Alabama is one of the most important college football programs. Not sure where else this info would go.~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
History of Alabama Crimson Tide football already says the team cancelled the season due to World War 1. There aren't (to my knowledge) articles for any other teams that didn't play any games. Gazingo (talk) 17:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that [[53]] and [[54]] were deleted for the same rationale as is being presented here. Let'srun (talk) 01:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Patriarca12: @Jweiss11: The two of you are the biggest contributors to this article. Thoughts on its notability? Cbl62 (talk) 09:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge to History of Alabama Crimson Tide football and/or 1919 Alabama Crimson Tide football team. There's certainly detail here should should be kept on Wikipeda. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What details in particular do you think need to be merged? History of Alabama Crimson Tide football already mentions that the team suspended play during the war. Let'srun (talk) 01:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All the details in article, like Noojin being appointed head coach, Moore as captain, the schedule that was never played. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All of which can be covered in History of Alabama Crimson Tide football. Changing my vote to merge there. Let'srun (talk) 16:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge per Jweiss11. Cbl62 (talk) 19:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to History of Alabama Crimson Tide football per the above as an WP:ATD. This standalone article only serves to mislead readers into thinking a season existed for this school, when it didn't. --MuZemike 11:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Breen (human rights activist) edit

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Contested PROD for individual who fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. WP:BEFORE search does not turn up significant coverage. Existing article is a WP:REFBOMB of sources that fail to demonstrate notability. Sources 1/23, 6, 7/9/11, 15 and 25 are non-independent press releases or official bios, 2, 3 and 19 are trivial mentions in long lists; 4, 10, 14, 21 and 28 32 are passing mentions in coverage of other topics, 5 and 8, 27, 33 and 34 are WP:INTERVIEWS and thus primary sources; 13, 16, 17, 20, 22, 26, 29, 30 and 31 are self-authored material by the subject. 24 does not mention the subject. Only 12 might qualify as SIGCOV, but we need multiple reliable sources with significant coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Delete: The editor who created this article also created Human Rights First which is Breen's organization. Only edits theyve made. And the HRF in their username stands for Human Rights First- right? Appears to be undisclosed COI. Should I put my concerns on the talk page of Human Rights First? Looking at the related pages here we could also be looking at WP:SOCK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaskedSinger (talk • contribs) 05:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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My strong delete wasn't enough? ;) MaskedSinger (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC

Delete: It does appear there's connected editing here but just on the merits, IMHO, this subject fails GNG, ANYBIO, and any secondary guideline with which I'm familiar. It reads like a business card for his services. I agree with the source analysis by the nominator as well. BusterD (talk) 21:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. BusterD (talk) 20:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary L. Coleman edit

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. PROD was contested with sources from IMDB and of relatives being added, which do not establish notability. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete we can’t build an article on album credits and I don’t see in depth coverage in RIS. Mccapra (talk) 04:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: His website and the various music streaming sites, are all I can find. I'd agree with the PROD decision, this is not meeting musical notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capital City Connection edit

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Completely unsourced, and tagged as such since 2012 without ever having any sources added, article about a minor local public access television program. As always, television shows are not automatically notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on their sourceability, so nothing here is "inherently" notable without sourcing for it. Bearcat (talk) 02:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete nothing to suggest notability. Mccapra (talk) 04:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of long marriages edit

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This article fails WP:NLIST and WP:SELCRIT. I can't find reliable sources that track the list's topic (the longest marriages of all time) nor can I find sources that set 80 years as an appropriate lower bound. It also likely fails WP:LISTPEOPLE's two criteria.

This article, then under the title "List of people with the longest marriages", was previously successfully nominated for deletion along similar lines. Despite an attempt to shift the scope and an ultimate restoration of the article remarkably soon after a DRV, I don't think it has succeeded. It's still essentially a list of longest marriages. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 02:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. This is basically original research. BoldGnome (talk) 02:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- What part of this is original research? It doesn't copy a list someone else has made, but there is nothing here that draws an unsupported conclusion or is unverified synthesis. It's quite well objectively sourced. Reywas92^Talk 15:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Trivial at best. Sadustu Tau (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep - I came to this article due to a meme screenshot about it on Instagram, so it at least has proven relevancy even if it fails to adhere to other guidelines. -Louisana (talk) 07:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How is "relevancy" of the article a criterion? If you mean notability, it's about the topic, not the article, and isn't determined by Instagram memes. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 09:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will just note for now that it's perfectly normal to set a threshold for inclusion that keeps the list to a reasonable size. No source is needed to justify the 80-year threshold. I mean, there's nothing at List of largest power stations in the United States that sets 1,500 MW "as an appropriate lower bound". Reywas92^Talk 15:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep, article is useful to have and is well sourced as it has 191 sources. Davidgoodheart (talk) 23:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please have a look at WP:ITSUSEFUL. Sources must discuss the concept of long marriages otherwise it is WP:OR. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not what OR means... Nothing in this article was just made up or synthesized by WP editors, it's entirely besed on sources. You can argue that compiling information from all these sources isn't notable because most of them are about individual marriages, many just being routine local news recognizing a couple rather than of the broader topic, but I see no original research or unsupported analysis. Reywas92^Talk 02:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It does appear to meet SELCRIT (unambiguous, objective, and reliably sourced). Objectively, 80 years is a long time to be married, let alone alive, and as such is a reasonable boundary to regulate size. The fact that these marriages are even being reported solely due to their length trumps the OR argument;the 80 number rightly keeps the list trimmed and not excessivly long and unnavigatable. Per Rewas92, Common sense and consensus should agree with that assessment; similar to Paris being the capital of France. I'm not seeing it as original research; it definitely appears well-sourced and backed up.DrewieStewie (talk) 09:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean keep, we do have sources remarking how unusually long certain marriages can be out of the marriages in a given large region, e.g. longest-married Dutch couple, longest-married Utahn couple, longest-married British couple, so on. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - my problem with this type of content is that it is only generated by collating trivia from many sources. Sources which have not all been examined as to their reliability. WP:NOTEVERYTHING JMWt (talk) 07:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete. I was going to say "keep" until I read the related article's deletion rationale. If editors can't "find reliable sources that track the list's topic" then it can't have a list. There is also nothing special for the gives 80 year cut-off. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Again, lots and lots and lots of lists have an arbitrary cut-off for size and User:Knowledgekid87's last sentence has no basis in guidelines or precedent as a justification for deletion. List of largest stars has a arbitrary cut off in the first table of 700 solar radii; List of largest snakes has an arbitrary cut-off of 50 pounds; I contribute to List of photovoltaic power stations, whose arbitrary cut-off has increased from 200 to 300 to 400 MW as more items are added. There's also no requirement in guidelines or precendent that a topic must be tracked in a different reliable source. None of the sources for List of the verified shortest people are a tracker that presents the exact same information, nor are any in List of people with the most children, List of oldest living state leaders, the FL List of largest cruise ships or List of heaviest land mammals, List of longest-serving mayors in the United States etc. etc. "Collating trivia from many sources" is simply not forbidden. I don't love this list which is why I didn't vote when I made comments above, but I also don't like bad arguments. Reywas92^Talk 19:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Reywas92: Couple thoughts. First, if you don't love the list and want to articulate an argument for deletion outside SELCRIT, I'm all ears. Second, I'm drafting off SELCRIT's line "Selection criteria [...] should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources" (my emphasis). I don't work with lists often and am not familiar with the history behind that wording, but with some additional searching it seems like that line could be ambiguous. You can find other editors wrestling with it in this discussion. If my reading of the line doesn't reflect how things actually work in practice, let's go make it less ambiguous. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 07:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Long marriages are of enduring historical significance and of great importance just like other lists that are mentioned above are as well. User:Suncheon Boy

Hadarou Sare edit

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The article subject is a non-notable entrepreneur and PhD student. I could not find any reliable sources containing significant coverage of the subject. None of the sources currently cited in the article establish notability: [55] and [56] are interviews in trade publications that read like puff pieces. [57] does not have any clear editorial standards, is based on an interview, and also reads like a puff piece. [58] is a bio and abstract for a talk he gave at a seminar. [59] is an interview with the organizers of the same seminar. [60] is the subject's company's website. [61] is an advertising website. [62] is a slideshow about a project that the subject worked on. voorts (talk/contributions) 03:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Wikipedia is not LinkedIn. Mccapra (talk) 04:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Agree with the deletion discussion above, most links given are primary or simple confirmation of employment/biographical info. The sourcing doesn't pass RS guidelines and there isn't much else I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 15:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This should be speedy deleted per G5 as the article creator has been blocked as a sock of User:Daniel Martin77. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Wikipedia is not a blog post or LinkedIn. Haruka Amaranth 03:55, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of largest stars. ✗plicit 00:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UW Aquilae edit

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Does not meet WP:NASTRO and therefore not WP:GNG; hardly any coverage in reliable sources. Article likely only exists on the basis of it being a very large star. SpaceImplorerExplorerImplorer 09:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CU Note: The main author was a sock - it would have been a candidate for G5 deletion had Ozzie10aaaa not done a fair bit of tidying up on the article - their thoughts on its retention or otherwise would probably be relevant. Girth Summit _(blether) 09:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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keep there are sources that indicate its notable per [63],--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which ones? All the ones I could find are catalogues which do not establish notability. SpaceImplorerExplorerImplorer 15:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I did find a couple for studies that make mention of "UW Aql", but no more than a few sentences. I'm on the fence about this one. Praemonitus (talk) 19:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of largest known stars, where it is mentioned. This is fairly an obscure star, it doesn't has even a Henry Draper or HIP designation despite its modest brightness of 8.8. I was planning to redirect it to List of stars in Aquila, but it fails the criteria of inclusion for these lists.

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Then redirect to List of largest stars because the name changed recently. InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 11:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

redirect to List of largest stars which is the target of the redirect. Mangoe (talk) 05:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of largest stars. User:Hamterous1 ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️)} 11:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WKUW-LD edit

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Fails WP:GNG; questionable sourcing. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of stations owned by Innovate Corp.: Another LPTV station with a history of carrying only national services with almost certainly no significant coverage, even in its pre-DTV America/HC2/Innovate days. It's yet another nominal survivor of a 2023 bulk nomination of many DTV America/HC2/Innovate station articles. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

85th percentile speed edit

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I do not think this concept merits its own article, and believe it is adequately covered at Speed limit#Maximum speed limits, which actually goes more into depth than this standalone article (which is nothing more than a dictionary definition). This article should be redirected to that section. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Speed limit#Maximum speed limits per nom. Stubby tidbit of information more at home in an article section. BD2412 T 01:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Speed limit#Maximum speed limits: Agree that this fails DICDEF. The citations here can be merged. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Agree that article should be expanded, but deletion is not cleanup. I will work to expand the stub soon and welcome help from others.

The 85th percentile speed is a policy decision that was perhaps in the past considered a minor component of Speed limit#Maximum speed limits. However it is now being covered by reliable sources as a large component of Transportation safety in the United States, with criticism directed solely at the 85th percentile rule (as opposed to high speed limits in general) and laws being written to eliminate the rule (but not high speed limits). The rule has significant coverage and meets GNG.

Subject deserves its own article to track the development of 85th percentile rule usage and decline, as covered by reliable sources. Just like Parking mandates is a different article from Parking.

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Merge to Traffic engineering (transportation) - per nom, this is a stubby DICDEF; however, merging into traffic engineering (transportation) seems better than putting this in Speed limit. If kept, it should be retitled "85th percentile speed rule" or the like. Walsh90210 (talk) 15:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've now expanded the stub past DICDEF, including an academic paper dedicated to this subject and recent Federal Highway Administration lobbying specifically on this rule. PK-WIKI (talk) 20:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aamna Malick edit

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This actress does not fulfill the criteria WP:ACTOR as I couldn't find any major roles in TV shows NOR does their coverage satisfy the basic WP:GNG. A significant portion of the sources referenced lack reliability . —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- per WP:BASIC, [64],[65],[66]

[67], [68] Otbest (talk) 18:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Otbest, I'm curious how a user who just began editing 2 days ago is already participating in AfDs. BTW, the references you provided aren't even RS. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment sourcing seems to be weak (mainly tabloids), but it looks like she may have some notable television credits?-KH-1 (talk) 01:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- KH-1, No. Only minor roles. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: some of her numerous roles in notable productions look significant enough for her to pass WP:NACTOR -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Plummer (musician) edit

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Article about a musician, not reliably sourced as passing WP:NMUSIC. The only properly verifiable claim of notability here is that he existed -- it asserts that he had hit singles, but fails to provide any verification of where they were "hits" (spoiler alert, not in RPM). And for "referencing", it just contextlessly bulletpoints a list of mostly primary source websites that aren't support for notability, without footnoting anything in the article body to any of them.
On a WP:BEFORE search, further, I didn't find enough coverage to salvage this -- apart from one concert review in The Globe and Mail on the occasion of him playing the El Mocambo in 1980, I otherwise only get local coverage in Saskatoon, glancing namechecks of his existence in sources that aren't about him in any sense, and tangential hits for other unrelated Brian Plummers (such as Bill Pullman's character in The Equalizer).
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have more and better sourcing than he has. Bearcat (talk) 19:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: it looks very much as though this was written as a WP:NOTMEMORIAL... the only other edit the article creator has made to Wikipedia is to add some information about Jack Hazebroek to the article about the Rolling Stones Mobile Studio, and Hazebroek's name also appears in this article, so I imagine it was written as a tribute to Mr. Plummer, having worked with him. Richard3120 (talk) 20:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Culture of Camden, New Jersey edit

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Looks like a copy/paste from Camden,_New_Jersey#Culture Gjs238 (talk) 16:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It's a student project but it doesn't appear to contribute much new information or sources. The main article's section could use a trim, but not in duplication like this so I'm not sure what the point is. I'd recommend a redirect or draftify and that the student consult with their teacher and Wikipedia Expert about proper editing and WP:SPLIT procedures. Reywas92^Talk 17:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a stand-alone topic. It should be incorporated into the Camden, New Jersey article. Ira Leviton (talk) 21:22, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:SIGCOV. There is no policy argument given, no analysis of sources, to dictate deletion. There is plenty of possible additional material. Bearian (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously every city has sources on its culture, but please compare this page and Camden,_New_Jersey#Culture. This is a sloppy copy and paste job that resulted in duplication and little unique content. Of course additional material could be added here or to Camden,_New_Jersey#Culture, but it should be a proper split with summary style, not what this is. WP:REDUNDANT and WP:DUPLICATE are policy arguments not to keep the page. Reywas92^Talk 20:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Blatant unnecessary copy/paste from Camden,_New_Jersey#Culture Gjs238 (talk) 14:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete strictly inferior to Camden,_New_Jersey#Culture; if kept as a split of that article there would need to be a new copy-paste from the city article to replace the article contents, which are less thorough and contain non-encyclopedic phrases removed from the main article. Walsh90210 (talk) 15:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete article is a copy/paste from and redundant with Camden,_New_Jersey#Culture. Gjs238 (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sept Days edit

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No SIGCOV. Northern Moonlight 23:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per completely absent significant coverage --BoraVoro (talk) 13:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Guo, Yanxi 郭妍汐; Liu, Jinpeng 刘金鹏 (2016-10-14). "七天•10周年：加拿大七天文化传媒2006-2016" [Sept Days·10th Anniversary: Canadian Sept Days Cultural Media 2006–2016]. People's Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-22. Retrieved 2024-05-22.
  The article notes: "《七天》报创刊于2006年7月7日。刊头为中英法三语《Sept七天 Days》, 以体现《七天》生活在加拿大多元文化的氛围之中，又由于《七天》是在官方语言为法语的加拿大魁北克省注册，因此法语优先。《七天》报为周报，一周七天，其含义是关注和涵盖生活的每一天。"
  From Google Translate: ""Sept Days" newspaper was founded on 7 July 2006. The masthead is "Sept Days" in Chinese, English and French to reflect that "Sept Days" lives in a multicultural atmosphere in Canada. And because "Sept Days" is registered in the Canadian province of Quebec, where the official language is French, French is given priority. "Sept Days" is a weekly newspaper, seven days a week, which means to pay attention to and cover every day of life."
  The article notes: "2007年，七天派记者奔赴阿富汗战场，对有加拿大军队参加的这场战争的性质和意义进行了零距离的观察和报道，七天记者胡宪成为海外华文媒体战地记者第一人；"
  From Google Translate: "In 2007, Sept Days sent reporters to the battlefield in Afghanistan to conduct close-up observations and reports on the nature and significance of the war involving Canadian troops. Sept Days reporter Hu Xian became the first overseas Chinese-language media war correspondent;"
2. Cong, Ling 葱岭 (2021-09-06). "加拿大蒙城，一位金融人的华丽变身" [Montreal, Canada, a financial man's gorgeous transformation]. Xinmin Evening News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-22. Retrieved 2024-05-22.
  The article notes: "这是一家活跃在加拿大法语城市蒙特利尔的华文媒体，创办16年，累计出版了上千期的中法文报纸杂志和8部书籍。它是第一个向阿富汗派出战地记者的海外华文媒体，也是两次受邀随加拿大总理访华的当地华文媒体。它创办读者俱乐部，举办了几十场各类文化、体育、商务活动，成了当地华人的联系纽带和精神家园。"
  From Google Translate: "This is a Chinese-language media active in Montreal, a French-speaking city in Canada. It was founded 16 years ago and has published thousands of issues of Chinese and French newspapers and magazines and 8 books. It is the first overseas Chinese-language media to send war correspondents to Afghanistan, and it is also the local Chinese-language media twice invited to visit China with the Canadian Prime Minister. It established readers’ clubs and held dozens of cultural, sports, and business activities of various types, becoming a link and spiritual home for local Chinese."
  The article notes: "2006年，尹灵再次辞职，创办华文报纸《七天》。那年，她40岁。"
  From Google Translate: "In 2006, Yin Ling resigned again and founded the Chinese newspaper "Sept Days". That year, she was 40 years old."
  The article notes: "《七天》从一开始就摒弃了很多海外中文报纸翻译本地新闻、复制粘贴的做法，坚持自己采访、自己撰稿，一下子吸引了大批读者。"
  From Google Translate: "From the beginning, "Sept Days" abandoned many overseas Chinese newspapers' practices of translating local news and copying and pasting. It insisted on doing its own interviews and writing its own articles, and it suddenly attracted a large number of readers."
3. Xu, Chang-an 徐长安 (2016-10-29). "加拿大《七天》传媒发布法文报《La Connexion》" [Canada's "Sept Days" media releases French newspaper "La Connexion"] (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-05-22. Retrieved 2024-05-22 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes: "蒙特利尔华文媒体《七天》传媒10月28日晚在当地举行晚宴，庆祝该报创立10周年。该报新创办的法文报纸《La Connexion》也正式发布。加拿大总理多为《七天》10周年庆祝活动发来贺信。特鲁多说，值此《七天》传媒10周年之际，"
  From Google Translate: "Montreal Chinese-language media "Sept Days" held a dinner locally on the evening of October 28 to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the newspaper's founding. The newspaper's new French-language newspaper "La Connexion" was also officially launched. The Prime Minister of Canada has sent congratulatory messages to celebrate the 10th anniversary of "Sept Days". Trudeau said that on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of "Sept Days" media,"
4. Li, Dan 李丹 (2016-11-10). "加拿大七天传媒成立十周年庆典在蒙特利尔举行" [The 10th anniversary celebration of Sept Days in Canada was held in Montreal]. 美中时报 [Sino-US Times] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-22. Retrieved 2024-05-22.
  The article notes: "《七天》是世界各国领导人访问加拿大时的必邀华文媒体。中国国务院总理李克强在2016年9月23日访问加拿大时，亦特邀《七天》参与了华文媒体座谈会。"
  From Google Translate: ""Sept Days" is the Chinese-language media that must be invited when world leaders visit Canada. When Chinese Premier Li Keqiang visited Canada on September 23, 2016, he specially invited "Seven Days" to participate in a Chinese media symposium."
5. "New voices, expanding horizons. When Sept Days sent Montreal journalist Xian Hu to Afghanistan last December, the weekly Chinese newspaper was not only making a statement to its competitors in the community here, but to mainstream newspapers as well". The Gazette. 2008-02-23. Archived from the original on 2012-11-05. Retrieved 2024-05-22.
  The article notes: "Sept Days competes with five other Chinese newspapers in a market of no more than 100,000 potential readers. Its three full-time journalists and five freelancers focus on a mix of local, international and entertainment news. Ten thousand copies are printed of each issue and, according to Yin, 50,000 people read the paper each week. The paper is free of charge, and advertising and investments from the paper's board of directors keep it afloat, but Yin admits that it has yet to break even. Sending Hu to Afghanistan was an unusual step for an ethnic newspaper, but it has earned Sept Days a certain notoriety in the Chinese community. Last month, the paper sponsored a lecture by Hu on her experience in Kabul, and this month, it will send another reporter overseas to cover the presidential election in Taiwan."
6. Lum, Zi-Ann; Taylor-Vaisey, Nick; Duggan, Kyle (2023-06-23). "Fixer upper on the Hill". Politico. Archived from the original on 2024-05-22. Retrieved 2024-05-22.
  The article notes: "Conservative Sen. Victor Oh was in Montreal earlier this month to drum up enthusiasm for Saturday’s rally on the Hill. His visit was covered by Sept Days, a Montreal Chinese-language publisher with links to the Chinese Community Party. Sept Days was among a handful of Canadian organizations that attended the Chinese government’s United Front Work Department media forum training in 2019, according to a recent report by Alliance Canada Hong Kong."
7. Yu, Ruidong 余瑞冬 (2018-06-24). "《加拿大华人精英录》一书在蒙特利尔首发" [The book "A Record of Canadian Chinese Elites" was launched in Montreal] (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-05-22. Retrieved 2024-05-22 – via Phoenix Television.
  The article notes: "由加拿大七天传媒出版社出版的《加拿大华人精英录》一书于当地时间6月22日晚在蒙特利尔首发，正式与读者见面。"
  From Google Translate: "The book "Canadian Chinese Elites" published by Canada's Seven Days Media Publishing House was first launched in Montreal on the evening of June 22, local time, and officially met with readers."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Sept Days (Chinese: 七天) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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and I have also semi'ed it to stop the disruption. I don't involve a relist as Involved, but if someone else does feel free to revisit Star Mississippi 03:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:GNG and WP:HEY. Article was in an abysmal state when it was first nominated for deletion, but has been expanded significantly by Cunard and the coverage outlined above easily demonstrates notability. No mention of any WP:BEFORE search. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WKUT-LD edit

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 02:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of stations owned by Innovate Corp.: Yet another DTV America/HC2/Innovate station that has only ever carried national services without much if any significant coverage, even before their ownership. Like many of the others, this artilcle is another nominal survivor of a bulk nomination from 2023. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Adventist schools in the Philippines edit

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Contested prod. Prod reason states "This list is made up of mostly schools that are not notable and also there are no references it has been like this from day one that it was created". As I am conducting a procedural AfD, I am neutral on the matter. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename to List of Adventist universities in the Philippines. As far as sourcing goes, I wouldn't know what is available in reliability, but I figured reducing the list to be just the colleges and universities would be more suitable to WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 04:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the majority of Seventh-day Adventist schools in the Philippines are not notable and never will be. And we do not need a separate list for Seventh-day Adventist colleges and universities in the Philippines, that is why we have List of Seventh-day Adventist colleges and universities. Catfurball (talk) 16:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Single-level edit

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WP:PARTIAL only. fgnievinski (talk) 02:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. This is not a proper disambiguation page because the terms just share the word "single-level" in common, not their respective nouns. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - WP:PARTIAL says everything it needs to BrigadierG (talk) 18:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in some form - could redirect somewhere useful. JoshuaAuble (talk) 21:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kieran Goss (rugby union) edit

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 02:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete A lot of transactional stuff from his time in England, but struggling to see enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎ per WP:SK #1 no valid rationale and other recent noms. (non-admin closure) Skynxnex (talk) 02:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mid-Life Crustacean edit

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too many problems Ryan barnes 1963 (talk) 01:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sampie Mastriet edit

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were a few sentences here. Possible redirect targets include List of South Africa national rugby sevens players and List of South Africa national under-20 rugby union team players. JTtheOG (talk) 01:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of South Africa national rugby sevens players A fair bit of coverage, a lot that actually names him, but probably not enough for a WP:GNG pass. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Keep‎. WP:SK #1 - no valid reason for deletion provided. (non-admin closure) — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 01:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure) — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 01:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie the Tuna edit

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sorry charlie but your article is being deleted due to legal problems Ryan barnes 1963 (talk) 01:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mount Elizabeth Novena Hospital edit

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Marked for notability concerns since 2022. The coverage I found were like incidents involving nurses but nothing indepth to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 01:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Mount Elizabeth Hospital: parent subject, if there is no improvement to the article. – robertsky (talk) 02:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Mount Elizabeth Hospital. This appears to be a 2nd campus of the same hospital. Meets WP:GNG, and in the context of the parent article also meets WP:NORG/WP:NHOSPITAL. Does not appear to have a substantial coverage independently for a standalone article. Bgv. (talk) 22:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:ORGTRIV.

WZDS-LD edit

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Weigel Broadcasting#Television stations: a newer (2010s/2020s-started) LPTV carrying only national services is highly unlikely to attain the requisite significant coverage, so this redirect as an alternative to deletion is the best we can do. (Note that had Weigel not bought this station, it would have been an equally non-notable DTV America/HC2/Innovate station…) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree BMarGlines (talk) 12:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hellenized Middle East edit

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"Hellenized Middle East" is a made-up term which is not used in scholarship on the Hellenistic Period (a search of google books shows a few uses referring to Greek presence in the Near East, but without any consistency [69]: one book on Gandharan Buddhism, a couple on the Middle Ages, one on Cavafy in the 19th century. This is not a term used with any consistency in scholarship). The article consists of a WP:OR map, which collapses Ashokan India into the Hellenistic world and a bunch of material largely mirrored from Hellenistic Period. Furius (talk) 00:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as WP:SYNTH. Mccapra (talk) 04:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: the main issue here is not the title, but the duplication of material that is already covered elsewhere. The topic itself appears to be legitimate, whatever title it's given, and unless there's a specific title that is generally applied to the topic, any reasonably descriptive title would do. There may well be better titles, but that would not be a justification for deletion: it would justify moving the article to another title. Replacing a map with a more accurate one would not be an argument for deletion. So the only remaining issue seems to be duplication of existing material in other articles.

It sounds as though most of this is covered under "Hellenistic Period", in which case a "technical merge" might be in order. By that I mean a basic review to make sure that any useful and verifiable material from here is included there or at other appropriate articles. If so, then simply indicate that the article was merged there, and then change this title into a redirect, as a plausible search formulation. There may also be some details here that ought to be mentioned in other articles, and aren't yet, in which case a full merge may be done. But even if everything is already fully covered, it would technically be a merge as long as one makes sure of that before changing this into a redirect. P Aculeius (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:CFORK. Poor page with poor and unverifiable sources that do not help identify implications that is explicitly stated by the source. The creator of the page inserted opinion by using content from other pages and used it in a circular bit of logic. Page is WP:SYNTH. RangersRus (talk) 11:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Strange title, bizarre geographic scope, WP:OR and WP:SYNTH content, WP:CFORK.
- Scholarship on ancient history uses "Near East" rather than "Middle East"; both terms are of course eurocentric, with "Middle East" reflecting Western European strategic concerns during the last years of the Ottoman Empire. Describing much of the area under Seleucid control in the hellenistic period as "hellenised" begs the question of whether that impact was more than superficial and brief.
- The inclusion of all South Asia is bizarre; the Maurya empire is not usually described as hellenised (and the map shows it extending strangely east and south). Mapping Greece as hellenised is silly.
- The text largely consists of an editor opining, without benefit of sources, on who became the ruler of which area after the death of Alexander, largely with no more substance than that. Any reader wanting to know about the area during the hellenistic period will be disappointed and frustrated; they will already be better served by Diadochi for successors and by Hellenistic period, including Hellenistic period#Hellenistic Near East, for the regions. NebY (talk) 14:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: someone seems to be working hard to improve the article currently, and the title has been changed, perhaps in response to what has been said so far here. Perhaps these edits will make a difference to whether this article should be kept or merged (I still don't think deletion is the correct means of dealing with a content fork, if it still is one after the current revision process is done). It may be a good idea to get Aearthrise's take on the content fork issue, and whether he or she has a plan to resolve that, or any of the other remaining issues mentioned in this discussion. P Aculeius (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Said editor has been adding material about citizenship in the Roman Empire and the Umayyad Caliphate. It's bizarre synth. Furius (talk) 21:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aearthrise was notified about this discussion; I'm not sure why they've not engaged directly... Furius (talk) 21:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Syed Zafrul Hasan Rizvi edit

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I found no significant coverage. SL93 (talk) 00:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete from a cursory Google search, it seems like this is someone who might be (barely) notable if you're an islamic scholar who knows where to find the right sources to back everything up. While I know WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, this article is in such a dire state of unsourced, highly original disrepair (and has been for over a decade) that if I ripped out everything that isn't verifiable we're gonna be down to a single sentence with no indication of notability. Regretfully, I propose WP:TNT. BrigadierG (talk) 01:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not any reliable sources on the page with significant coverage on the subject. This is another one of those WP:SYNTH pages where an editor uses his own analysis or synthesis of materials that implies a conclusion not stated by the sources. Fails WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 11:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per my check, I found not a single reliable source with in-depth coverage that can establish notability for the subject. The subject fails WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 11:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Failed WP:GNG, nothing found about this person. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No significant coverage and fails GNG -- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 15:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Movieguide Epiphany Prize for Most Inspiring Movie edit

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Weird partisan award that reviews movies "from a christian perspective" with no coverage aside from that which it generates itself. BrigadierG (talk) 00:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Non-notable. I came up with no coverage beyond the cursory.
Weak keep per RunningTiger123 and a few column inches in the LA Times in 1996. JSFarman (talk) 00:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – the awards are covered in industry publications such as Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, and Deadline. Based on practices for other awards, once the overall awards are established as notable and have run for a few years, individual category lists such as this are acceptable (especially since the listed films mostly have their own articles, fulfilling a navigational purpose as well). RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As others have noted, there's some press coverage, if not much. But even if there weren't, notability isn't proportional to coverage. The moral implications of the culture is a huge issue, and this award is the biggest thing I know of that deals with that. It's true that it's partisan, and that's a reason to provide a counterpoint, but it isn't a reason to suppress information about it. That would be far more partisan than the award is. - Burner89751654 (talk) 13:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a valid split from the main article and has reliable sources coverage such as Variety, Deadline, and Hollywood Reporter, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 18:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]