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Misc. Notes from 2006 and 2007Edit

Hi, Ssilvers, I am Ron Kert from Tampa, FL (wikipedia user-name "ronkert"). Thank You for your additions to the "Piano bar" article that I submitted. I also am an amateur singer, and a "piano bar junkie". Although I enjoyed "La Boheme" and love most types of music, I sing songs from these genres: "Standards" from the 1920's to 1950's, 50's and 60's Rock'n'Roll, some 70's and 80's light Rock and Rock ballads, Blues, a couple of show tunes, a few Country tunes. I'm currently on one of my bi-annual out-of-state "piano bar" vacations in the DC / northern Virginia area. -- User:Ronkert

Saw your additions and copy edits to Golden Legend. Thanks. I had considered adding specific information about the Hyperion release (it is the first full length recording), but wasn't sure it was appropriate. I'll probably be doing some similar work on other compositions by Sullivan. Shsilver 19:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention to Hot Mikado - it helps to have another perspective, particularly one from the musicals / G&S point of view, and not the "HEY MY HIGH SCHOOL DID THAT!" point of view.... Thanks again. QBKooky 18:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Song list in The Mountebanks! Added in character names whilst I was at it. Also, I've done a tweak to Template:Gilbert and Sullivan - That look good to you? Vanished user 23:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Malcolm Sargent turned out very well. I didn't know about that 1936 interview. Did you ever hear the old joke about Sargent? Supposedly he gets into a cab. The driver says, "Where to?" Sargent says, "It doesn't matter; they want me everywhere." Marc Shepherd 13:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for being helpful. My English music books used Mazeppa, Maria, Andrei, Kochubey (Kochubey is not a Russian, but Tatar name). (meladina 16:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for slicing up some of my more grotesquely long sentences in Opera the other day. I'm on a bit of drive to get the article up to GA standard, so thanks for all the help. Cheers, Moreschi 16:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Kashchey the Immortal (opera) - Thanks for the help; I've just finished off the copy-editing. Cheers, Moreschi 19:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the messages re: Early British Musicals. I had only the briefest look after your first, but it all looked like great stuff.... --GuillaumeTell 07:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Savoy opera (and curtain raisers): Nice work! [Shoemaker's Holiday] 10:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the kind words.... I'm very tempted to help out at Opera. In fact my next plan was to rework the French Opera section, which has been chopped off that article. Cheers. --Folantin 08:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all the info you added to The Magic Show! - Brian Kendig 13:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Boyd Neel - Thank you for your kind words (and the corroborative detail).... Tim riley 21:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Camelot (musical) thanks you! Wow, Ssilvers, you are awesome! Thanks so much for such a quick fix on the Camelot article! I will add to it as I can. :) Thanks! Estreya 18:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Tom Eyen - Thank you for cleaning up my mess! I'm speechless - it's so well done! --Eric Eyen 02:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your kind note and for your careful reviews and help at Encyclopædia Britannica; I think it's an article we all can be proud of.... I'm grateful that you corrected that comma error that had been peppering my writing for ages. Looking forward to working with you again in Wikipedia, Willow 10:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice welcoming note! I was going to see an amateur production of Princess Ida at MIT last night, so I wanted to learn a little about it. The article was very helpful! I love G&S, but I probably will just do little typo edits here and there as I find them. Thanks again! Purkowitz 14:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your effort and added info with Malfitano. She is a great singer and it was sad to notice that the existing writings about her were too brief. It would be great if we could get some photos of her. I will write to her agent, hopefully they could provide us with photos to be published (with written permission, of course). - Jay 02:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice work on the Buddy - The Buddy Holly Story yesterday/today. Concerning the expanded synopisis version that was severely edited a while back - IT WAS MUCH BETTER. Sorry it kept getting cut. It should simply have been re-written to avoid verbatim website quotes. It should not of been deleted, though. I will support you in defending against any attempts to ruin this article again. Smatprt 14:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! :-)Nrswanson 07:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Your work on Michael Mayer (director) - WOW. Thank you! I knew that once people realized this major theatrical figure had no article at all, it'd get fixed quickly, but the early version was so disorganized, and it's lovely to see what you've done with it overnight.

Diana Fortuna Photo - Thanks for cleaning up the summary :) DraxusD 05:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help cleaning up my edits on Parade - I honestly thought I was alone on this one! Docta247 13:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome :) I'm Chris Angelico, Savoynetter and fairly active but with no particular qualifications or special skills in G&S. A newbie in editing, which is probably obvious to all, unfortunately. -- Rosuav (talkcontribs) 05:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


Good work. Several of these performers are familiar to me because of the film Topsy Turvy, wihch I've seen at least half a dozen times. They needed to be included in Wikipedia. Charivari 02:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! You took this a lot farther than I ever imagined it would go. Marc Shepherd 19:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much - I'm actually planning on writing up a few articles about some of the lesser Savoyards, as well as a couple of early G&S creators that really ought to be here (Frank Thornton, Fred Sullivan, and Selina Dolaro spring to mind). --AlbertHerring 17:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

First FAEdit

Congrats on getting W. S. Gilbert featured. Your hard work was impressive. Best, Moreschi 12:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

First barnstarEdit

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Awarded to Ssilvers for his work on actors and actresses, minor operas, and everything else related to Gilbert and Sullivan and Victorian Theatre. You have single-handedly filled in many huge gaps in Wikipedia coverage. Vanished user 13:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
... and that goes from me too, his recent work on filling in the gaps and eliminating stubs in London theatre is only matched by his patience with my lack of knowledge and his ability to collaborate. Kbthompson 18:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

London Theatre Articles: Notes of thanksEdit

Gallery of Illustration - Many thanks for your modest but spot-on improvements to the initial entry on the Royal Gallery of Illustration!! Rapotter 03:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Globe, Royalty and St James's Theatres - Gracious me! How much you have improved the presentation. As suggested, I have run up a piece on the Globe, which would benefit from the Ssilvers treatment, had you but world enough and time. Tim riley 10:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations on your work on this article. The images make a big difference as well as noting the stars and the plays. David Lauder 08:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for making the Haymarket Theatre piece look good. ...Tim Riley 10:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't thank you for the addn info on the Empire Theatre. I added a testimonial to your barnstar! But I don't know how these things get decided on, so left it as barnstar + bar. The London theatres have been a joy... Kbthompson 18:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

St Georges Theatre - Belated thanks for that, it almost looks like an article now. I took the liberty of adding a gee-gaw to your front page (a case of I saw this and thought of you, I have to wait another month!). I saw the recent comments at G&S, tough crowd. I think that's a bit harsh for GA, but something that definitely needs fixing for FA. Kbthompson 15:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Court Theatre - Congratulations on your reworking of the Royal Court Theatre. David Lauder 08:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Her Majesty's Theatre: Congrats ... to you both. It was a collaborative effort and without sane people around, I was beginning to chew my leg off... as it was, I got off with a limp. Cheers Kbthompson (talk) 09:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Toye & NorrisEdit

Thank you once more for giving my text a wash and brush up. I feel rather guilty: I have all the fun and you do all the work. Tim riley 22:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Arthur SullivanEdit

Nice rewrite! I was hoping that someone would: Previously it seemed to be saying that Sullivan went to Leipzig twice which looked dubious :-D  uriel8  (talk) 14:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The Window (song cycle)Edit

Spot on, I'd say.... This was quite a serious gap in the coverage of Sullivan - now, happily, filled. Tim Riley 08:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Malcolm SargentEdit

You asked me to take a look at the work that had been done on this, while I was away. I did look when I came back and thought it excellent - then forgot to let you know! (I probably remember more when I make negative comments). Kbthompson 09:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Great article. I added two photos (with fair use rationales, so there will be no problem)...egde 10:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

David Russell HulmeEdit

You have done a lovely job on the article. Jack1956 18:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The New MoonEdit

Thanks for this. -- Kleinzach 23:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Musicals Article StructureEdit

Read over, looks good! Much applause! You deserve a cookie - here's one!
Heck, take two! --omtay38 19:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

You rock!Edit

'nuff said! --omtay38 00:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The Story of Gilbert and Sullivan (film)Edit

Yet again a fantastic contribution. Many thanks. Regarding David Russell Hulme, I have a photo somewhere that I took when I sang with him in the 1970s. If I can find it I'll scan it and upload it to the article. Jack1956 21:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Terence Rees and Scott FisheEdit

I love this... I write 4 sentences on an article Terence Rees‎ and go to bed and as if by magic the next day it's finished! And it's another brilliant article, much better than I could have created. Many thanks. I'll have a look at those articles you mentioned! Jack1956 17:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. You have done another great job by polishing up the Scott Fishe article to such a good standard. I wish I had your expertise. Jack1956 23:19, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Imperial triple crown jewelsEdit

I, Durova, am very happy to award these imperial triple crown jewels to Ssilvers in appreciation of outstanding content contributions. DurovaCharge! 05:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Your Imperial Majesty, even if these regalia are just stage props, it's nice to be able to hand them to you. May you wear them well. DurovaCharge! 05:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Eugène Oudin; Bill FrancoeurEdit

Thanks for great job on Oudin.... Jack1956 (talk) 18:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on Francoeur. Melbrooksfan101 talk 04:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Trial by Jury - GurneysEdit

Well done on pursuing this. I have just finished reading the Elliott book which answers all the questions and I aspire to finding some time to work on all the articles but ... Cutler (talk) 09:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Fallen FairiesEdit

I found a photo of Nancy McIntosh and uploaded it. The others weren't really of the show. I will search further and upload as appropriate Thanks. Broadwaygal (talk) 18:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Boer War Te Deum/Te Deum Laudamus (Sullivan)Edit

I just started an article on the Boer War Te Deum this morning. It's a rough stub, and I am currently looking for more references. If you have time, could you take a look? Thanks Broadwaygal (talk) 18:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

"The Bob"Edit

Thanks for your input! Typos will be the death of me, just so you know. I absolutely hate the one image available of Marshall, and I'm positive that he'd hate it too; it's the monkey suit. I contacted the Adirondack Museum to see if they can release an image or two under GFDL for me to use. I would love to get a similar pic to what I've seen in my book sources, with him grinning goofily while posing on mountaintops with grimy, exhausted looking guides. So we'll see. :) María (habla conmigo) 20:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Signor BrocoliniEdit

Can't fault it- another brilliant piece of research and well-written. Jack1956 (talk) 21:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear Ss, I am very pleased to know about Sig. Brocolini, of whom I have never previously heard, but I think I have read somewhere that he was especially admired in a trio from La finta giardiniera with Mme Spinaci and the basso cantante Bruschetta, under the baton of the great Vermicelli. Keep up the good work, Eebahgum (talk) 00:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back and hello again. Nice job of discovery, and very thorough. And yes, he's a credit to my name, maybe. (Perhaps I need to change mine too. . .) JohnClarknew (talk) 23:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

James Conroy-WardEdit

The star is totally deserved. I have a programme for the 1975 performance of 'Utopia' somewhere, and will check it out, but presume that, as he is on the recording he must have been in the performance. GD I am less sure about. Jack1956 (talk) 14:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Never ForgetEdit

Thanks again for your help. I think the article looks great now! - certainly better than any other musicals in 2008.... Anyway, thanks again. -- Dave S Light Defender (talk) 15:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


If I could figure out how to give you a Barnstar (or a bouquet of flowers) I would. Thanks for the help on Bernadette Peters, she's looking good. I'll look at the article again next week, with fresh eyes, to see what other bits and pieces it might need. JeanColumbia (talk) 16:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Amy EvansEdit

Thanks for the splendid overhaul.... -- Drhoehl (talk) 02:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


You've got more stamina than I! Article looks great, I made a few very minor edits, and added external links to articles on a few of his lesser known works.JeanColumbia (talk) 17:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello, DollyEdit

Thanks for editing my Hello, Dolly! Act One synopsis. It's so much more concise and well-written now! MarianKroy (talk) 20:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Great Job on Hair!Edit

Hey! Just wanted to say thanks for all the great work! Love all the new stuff you added. Talk to you soon - User:Mblaxill 20:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Shoe: G&S articles/scholarshipEdit


I wonder if it would ever be worth doing an article on G&S scholarship? You know, cover the major discoveries, describe the evolution of the field... or is that too likely to hit problems? Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Aha! I have suggested this before. I think it would be great. It is a difficult job and requires library access. For journals, you may even have to write to the various different G&S societies to get back issues or whatever. I'll help if I can, but I can't go to the library on it. I think that some of the journals have online indexes to their old articles. Maybe Stephen Turnbull and Andrew Crowther can help you. Mitch Gillett might be able to help with GASBAG, and Angie Arnall might be able to help with The Gilbert and Sullivan News. Even more important, is the old Gilbert and Sullivan Journal, which is no longer published. Books are easier, and Ainger's list of references is a good place to start. Also, see this. Crowther's site lists various useful resources. Good luck! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Imperial Napoleonic triple crownEdit

It gives me great joy to award this Imperial Napoleonic triple crown for exceptional mainspace contributions on Gilbert and Sullivan and otherwise.... Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It gives me great joy to award this Imperial Napoleonic triple crown for exceptional mainspace contributions on Gilbert and Sullivan and otherwise. Thank you very much for your generous time and diligence on behalf of the project. You are the model of a modern major Napoleon among editors. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Gilbert & Sullivan for AllEdit

Hi Ssilvers, the article will appear on DYK tomorrow [Tuesday]. This is entirely due to your contribution. Jack1956 (talk) 22:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Summer's overEdit

Summer's almost over so back to work-or whatever it is that we all do! Welcome back, I've missed the conversations (so to speak....)JeanColumbia (talk) 19:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Royal AquariumEdit

Gosh! A splendid article. I had no idea the Royal Aquarium ever existed. Tim riley (talk) 16:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Barry Clark; Foggerty's FairyEdit

Lovely job, as usual. Many thanks. Jack1956 (talk) 07:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

And another fantastic job on Foggerty's Fairy. Absolutely brilliant! Jack1956 (talk) 07:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The Princess (poem)Edit

Good stuff there. The Land Surveyor (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

  The WikiProject Musical Theatre Barnstar
For your kind efforts to reach a common ground on musical article content, I award you my Musical Theatre Barnstar. Enjoy! Mizu onna sango15Hello! 20:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the is much appreciated. I had a look at Dick Whittingon (and his cat!) but you had done your usual excellent and comprehensive job so that there was little I could find to add. I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year. Jack1956 (talk) 08:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Best WishesEdit

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Best wishes and a great new year Victuallers (talk) 16:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help recentlyEdit

Alice MayEdit

Gosh! I'd never heard of her - and what a lot you've unearthed.... Tim riley (talk) 09:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Haddon HallEdit

That really is very interesting and genuinely helpful. Many thanksOrdyg (talk) 20:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Henry LyttonEdit

Keep up the good work; I'm particularly fond of musical theatre too and see you’ve contributed greatly to various articles on the subject! -- Vegan4Life (talk) 11:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

R. H. BurnsideEdit

Thanks for helping out. I know that he did a lot of G & S towards the end of his career... -- kosboot (talk) 03:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Eric Lewis (actor)Edit

Wow! What an article! What could I possibly add? Instead, I've started a new one as an off-shoot of yours, Richard Corney Grain. Jack1956 (talk) 16:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Lovely job on Richard Corney Grain. Many thanks for your excellent input. Jack1956 (talk) 18:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Hamilton ClarkeEdit

Some top notch stuff there - thank you so much! I've piled Pelion on Ossa by rummaging in the archives of The Observer Tim riley (talk) 12:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The 50 DYK MedalEdit

  The 50 DYK Medal   
Thank you for your invaluable contributions to the encyclopedia by creating so much great new content. Let this small token remind you that all of your hard work is appreciated by both readers and your fellow editors. Dravecky (talk) 06:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the compliment - it was you who challenged me to create an article on her (I didn't think there would be that much). I look at your work for inspiration on format, organization, etc. Thanks! -- kosboot (talk) 12:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


Is there a reason you've never run for admin? I realize the process is appalling, but you seem eminently qualified and the pain only lasts a week.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, but I prefer to spend all of my Wiki time contributing and refining content. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk)

Gretchen (play)Edit

This is a very good article. The only suggestion is to move the Analysis section after the synopsis. This isn't a play most readers will be familiar with, and the analysis is difficult to follow unless you already know what happens in the story. Marc Shepherd (talk) 14:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Present LaughterEdit

The article is so much improved after your changes. Tim riley (talk) 20:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Great additions to Pauline Joran - thanks!Edit

I'm very impressed with the additional info - real improvement, so thanks. Incidentally, a small note - I hope you don't mind, but I corrected back a couple of references to the daughter's name - it's definitely "Paulise" with a S. See "The Art of Dress" by Jane Ashelford and National Trust publications regarding the Paulise de Bush costume collection at Killerton House. (probably easier to get hold of than journals for the Costume Society!) Best regards, Mabalu (talk) 09:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Noël CowardEdit

Article has passed GA review. I need hardly say – but nonetheless do – how grateful I am for the Ssilvers magic touch passim. Tim riley (talk) 17:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

This Happy BreedEdit

That's so much better - bless you! Shall look out the additional info you suggest. Have sent a separate communication about a possible NC photograph. Tim riley (talk) 17:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Noel Coward FAEdit

Hi, Thank you for showing me that the poster is for another use. Is it possible to get that first press photo of Coward, in dressing gown, on a bed, smoking a cigarette? <snip> Thank you for your patience with me on the image issues as well. Jappalang (talk) 06:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on a successful nomination and on your efforts to get the article's excellent qualities recognised by the powers that be. Jack1956 (talk) 07:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I second that. I was pleased to work on the article at PR, and am delighted to see its deserved promotion. Brianboulton (talk) 09:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

So awfully fine ... Kbthompson (talk) 13:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy to see the desired conclusion. Wonderful article. Finetooth (talk) 14:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Tony (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
  The Original Barnstar
This is awarded in recognition of your excellent work on Noël Coward. Congratulations on achieving Featured Article status! LiteraryMaven (talkcontrib) 14:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Congrats from me, as well! You both did a terrific job. It's always a pleasure working with you, so don't hesitate to let me in on your next project. :) María (habla conmigo) 16:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for showing all of us how good FAs can be. Please return to FAC. Regards, Dabomb87 (talk) 21:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Braham and BrentEdit

Excellent additions and edits. May your shadow never grow less. Tim riley (talk) 19:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Darrell FancourtEdit

I've rummaged in the archives and put a lot of stuff in the article, which consequently looks a bit slablike, and would benefit from the Ssilvers touch if you have a few minutes. Tim riley (talk) 10:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Fanny RonaldsEdit

That's a lovely new article on Fanny Ronalds. And informative: I'd always assumed (wrongly, it seems) she was in some sense a professional singer because of her association with "The Lost Chord." -- Arxiloxos (talk) 18:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Image:Dorofield Hardy - Arthur Sullivan, Mendelssohn Scholar, 1856.jpgEdit

For the record, this would replace the second image in Arthur Sullivan, File:Young_Arthur_Sullivan.jpg. As I said, I know I need to work on Pinafore, but this is at least somewhat productive, and I felt up to it, so, better it than nothing. - Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 23:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


Hearty thanks as always for your sprucing up of the article. I have also been tinkering with the article on Neville Cardus which if you have a moment, pray peruse. Tim riley (talk) 19:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

A belated thank youEdit

I didn't get a chance to thank you for your outstanding peer review of OWH, so please accept this as a tardy (but still heartfelt!) note of appreciation:

  The Barnstar of Diligence
For Ssilvers, who went above and beyond the typical reviewing standards to help Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. achieve FA-status before his bicentennial. Your thorough dissection and willingness to leave no stone unturned is much appreciated. As the Autocrat himself would say, "People who honestly mean to be true contradict themselves much more rarely than those who try to be 'consistent'." With many thanks, María (habla conmigo) 21:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll happily second this as well. My experience with the Holmes article has revived my faith in the collaborative spirit of this project (which, by the way, was sorely needed). People, like you, who are willing to join the "team mentality" make it all worthwhile. --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Command PerformancesEdit

What a fantastic picture! Jack1956 (talk) 14:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


Great timing! I've been feeling abandoned, alone, taken for granted, deserted, and undesserted. LilHelpa (talk) 20:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Ta very much (as we Scousers say)Edit

Louis Cohen (conductor) thanks you for buffing up his article. Tim riley (talk) 15:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC) (per pro)

Thank youEdit

Hey, thank you. I'm glad there's someone on Wikipedia encouraging other people. I do not think I want to write articles though, maybe just be an editor. Thanks again! Tweedle20 (talk) 16:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Tweedle20

  • Thaanks =) from me as well . –xenotalk 18:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:Articles about singersEdit

Thank you for the visit and helpful comments.... By the way, I've just listened to 3 savoy operas so far and am a bit surprised at knowing of the enthusiastic and well organized WP:G&S project. It looks interesting to me. You're a coordinator of the project? If so, keep up the good work. Best regards.--Caspian blue 01:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

HMS PinaforeEdit

Congratulations on promotion of this article to FA! Well deserved. Xandar 17:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, well done. –Juliancolton | Talk 23:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Agreed! Is it two down, 12 to go now? --Wehwalt (talk) 23:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually 3 down, 11 to go Thespis (opera), Trial by Jury and Pinafore. But I have a new strategy: I'm planning to bring a bunch of them to GA before doing another FA. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, congrats to you, as well! I'm also giving FA a long break with the hope of creating and expanding sorely overlooked nature-related articles. Variety is good. See you around GAC. :) María (habla conmigo) 19:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Likewise, congratulations on all that work. You dropped in to my talk page and invited me to participate in the FAC since I had done the GAN. Thanks, and I did keep an eye on progress, but it seemed to have enough contributors that I just let it be. Regards. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


You really do deserve them all. Well done! Stikko (talk) 22:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


See User:DGG/NYPL -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Stephen MoorerEdit

  The Original Barnstar
For an impressive and tireless and extensive 6-day period of major research and writing on Stephen Moorer, way over and above the call of duty. Well done! Softlavender (talk) 07:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Earl WrightsonEdit

I had set the stage to create the article for Earl Wrightson in the wake of the Lois Hunt article I had just created after her recent death. I click on the link and lo and behold you've already created the article. Keep up the great work! Alansohn (talk) 18:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


On Pinafore, scheduled for the main page August 11. --Wehwalt (talk) 00:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on H.M.S. Pinafore making Featured Article for the Day. It's really nice to see more classical music articles being recognized and gettting such exposure. Jonyungk (talk) 12:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Was just stopping by to say the same thing! Congrats! — MusicMaker5376 15:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

An Eton Poetry BookEdit

It is above and beyond the call of duty that you should amend the punctuation etc of such an obscure English article. Wikipedia would be the poorer without your eagle eye. Tim riley (talk) 20:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The Ne'er-do-WeelEdit

Another fantastic job on a G&S related article. I go to bed and as if by magic in the morning this amazing article has sprung up out of all your hard work. Can you think of a DYK? Jack1956 (talk) 09:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

  The Gilbert and Sullivan Barnstar
For your significant contribution in expanding The Ne'er-do-Weel I award you this barnstar. Jack1956 (talk) 21:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


Grazie (that's what is taking my time--studying for my trip); I thought EVERYONE knew what the Flea Market & Gypsy of the Year were! Anyway, I'll be totally gone in mid-October for 16 days, will let you know when I waddle back (pasta! gelato!).JeanColumbia (talk) 21:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Amy EvansEdit

Thanks for the kind words and further improvements.<snip>. Drhoehl (talk) 23:53, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Richard D'Oyly CarteEdit

You're both very welcome. I enjoy a good read, especially when it keeps me from worrying about my master's thesis. :) María (habla conmigo) 13:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The Fortune HunterEdit

  The Gilbert and Sullivan Barnstar
For your amazing contribution in expanding The Fortune Hunter I award you this G&S barnstar. Jack1956 (talk) 18:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Ss, that and your kind words are much appreciated. It is always a pleasure to work with you. Jack1956 (talk) 18:58, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Lottie VenneEdit

Great job on Walter H. Fisher. I suspected he was married to Venne thinking it unlikely there were two Fishers and that she'd married the one in D'Oyly Carte but was trying to find something to substantiate it. Nice work. Jack1956 (talk) 07:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Sybil GreyEdit

I agree with you totally, Ssilvers. Always a pleasure to work with you and Tim on these. What amazes me is when I've given up having exhausted all the avenues open to me you find loads more interesting facts! And great to think we are giving them the belated recognition (and dare I say immortality) that they deserve. Maybe I'm just sentimental, but I look at Walter Fisher and Lottie Venne who we have reunited here on Wiki having made the connection between them! Jack1956 (talk) 20:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

100th DYK!Edit

  On November 26, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Black Mikado, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 19:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Congratulations on your 100th DYK! Jack1956 (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

  The 100 DYK Medal  
It is my pleasure to award you, Ssilvers, this medal, and I hope this is not the last one you'll receive from the project. Materialscientist (talk) 01:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Eddy Sackville-WestEdit

If you could spare a few minutes (which you will not, I fear, find very interesting) a swift once-over of this article would be esteemed a favour. - Tim riley (talk) 18:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Elizabeth HarwoodEdit

Your comment at my talk page is, naturally, much appreciated. Just to show that no good deed goes unpunished, could you find a few minutes to look at Elizabeth Harwood, which I have just been beefing up? - Tim riley (talk) 20:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!Edit

Happy New Year Awadewit (talk) 05:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Review requestsEdit

I have been doing a spot of work on Colin Davis. Grateful if you would have a look at it. - Tim riley (talk) 17:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I have yet another article on an English musician that I'd be grateful if you'd run your unblinking editorial eye over, viz. John Barbirolli. - Tim riley (talk) 14:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

As a token of gratitudeEdit

  The Barnstar of Diligence
For your taking the extra trouble to expertly edit Themes in Avatar towards improvement. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 05:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

The Open Boat; RupertEdit

Hey, thanks for your comments re: "The Open Boat"! I greatly appreciate the feedback, and agree with all of your points on the talk page. I'll try to get to Rupert today or tomorrow. Take care, María (habla conmigo) 14:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar / John Reed articleEdit

Thanks much. I appreciate the notice. LilHelpa (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Muriel DicksonEdit

Thank you for making this a much better article! 4meter4 (talk) 19:29, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


Roosevelt Island rag on the separation of the organizations.

Themes in Avatar recap — ThanksEdit

Hi SSilvers. I have left a note of gratitude on Talk:Themes in Avatar for your tremendous input there. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 00:42, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for the rationale and for ce of images and captions. The felling of the hometree is a very good image. Would it be too much to ask of you to help expand the lead as per discussion with DrNegative on Peer review page? You seem to have a very clear idea on how to do it. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 16:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Daniel BreakerEdit

I was suprised to find our that Daniel Breaker did not have an article despite being nominated for a Tony and having been in several Bordway shows. I have since created an article for him, but it is very empty. I was hoping you will help me fill it up.--JDDJS (talk) 01:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Jeffrey SkitchEdit

Yet again, I do all I can in an evening and the next morning wake up to a brilliant article. Excellent job! I'll have a look at it today Ss and think of a joint DYK. All the best. Jack1956 (talk) 06:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Your barnstarEdit

  The Good Article Barnstar
As a token of deep gratitude for your state-of-the-art editing of Themes in Avatar that helped it rise to GA status, I present you with this barnstar. Thanks and regards, Cinosaur (talk) 17:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

A thank you from LondonEdit

  The Barnstar of Diligence
For Ssilvers, whose diligence in advising, supporting, and even (if you please) correcting me, has helped me in more articles than I can name – and today I am in his debt for helping me get Adrian Boult to FA. – Tim riley (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Awww, shucks, guys. Thanks for all the bling! -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Appropriate Sources for Critical Reception in Musical Theatre articlesEdit

I've found a book that is a collection of theatre reviews for Broadway shows. It's called 'Opening Night on Broadway: A Critical Quotebook of the Golden Era of the Musical Theatre...." Since a lot of the critical reception sections are pretty bare, I thought I might add quotations of the reviews from the book. Does such a book constitute a reliable source? I know it can be difficult to track down newspaper reviews in their original form, and it seems to me that indirect quotes are better than no quotes at all. However, I'd like your opinion since you're a more experienced editor than I. MarianKroy (talk) 02:49, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this book is most certainly a WP:RS. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Loretta Ables SayreEdit

Hey. I was wondering if you can help me add Categories and fix the refernces and the over all make up of the Loretta Ables Sayre article I created.--JDDJS (talk) 00:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


  The Guidance Barnstar
This is for helping me fix the pages I create. JDDJS (talk) 15:08, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Straight Up (book)Edit

Greetings, Ssilvers. You are off to such a great start on the article Straight Up (book).... -- Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 07:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Oklahoma! Article AssessmentEdit

Hello! Could you take a look at Oklahoma! for me? I've added a critical reception section and done some other miscellaneous edits, and I think it could be moved from C-class to B-class. I'd like to know what you think about it. MarianKroy (talk) 23:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Edward ElgarEdit

Greatly obliged for your copy editing of this very long article, on a subject not conspicuously part of the Ssilvers curriculum. I am grateful for your colleaguely help on this. - Tim riley (talk) 17:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


Do you have any interest in being an administrator? I will nominate you because I think you will be a great one. JDDJS (talk) 21:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. That's very kind of you, but I do not want to be an administrator. I am interested in content, and so I am happy to let other responsible editors deal with administration. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

D'Oyly Carte Opera CompanyEdit

Delayed, as usual, but I've finally reviewed (and passed) the article. Great work, as usual, the lot of you. María (habla conmigo) 16:41, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Love never diesEdit

Hi Ssilvers, ... Loving your work on the article. ... This could easily be a potential GA in the future. All the best Mark E (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Musical Theatre "Integration"Edit

You're right, I need sources. I've had limited library access the past few months, but I did check out some more scholarly musical theatre books, notably Mark N. Grant's The Rise and Fall of the Broadway Musical and Ethan Mordden's examinations of each decade of American musical theatre. Both authors concluded that yes, there was a lot of fluffy stuff on Broadway for the first few decades, but there were signs of development in various directions:

On Your Toes (1936) at least placed ballet alongside musical theatre, featuring two lengthy ballets. Kurt Weill's pre-Oklahoma American work included One Touch of Venus, which again utilized a couple ballets that actually illustrated Venus's character and inner conflict (the "Venus in Ozone Heights" ballet). Weill and Moss Hart collaborated on Lady in the Dark, which used psychoanalysis as a means of delving into the mind of successful but indecisive and romantically uncertain Liza Elliot; almost all the music in the show occurs in three extensive dreams that reveal Liza's fears and past experiences. The man for her turns out to be the one who can complete the leitmotif she cannot finish herself (the song is "My Ship", the only song that occurs in "real life"). "Peggy Ann" (1926) was an even earlier use of dreams as a revelation of character, though musical comedy conventions were still included. "Of Thee I Sing" (1931) had a satirical plot tied to an equally biting, yet humorous, score by the Gershwins. Though the characters may be considered caricatures, the score is integrated in a manner not unlike Gilbert and Sullivan. Pal Joey portrayed hard, immoral central characters without sentiment; the non-nightclub numbers do function within the plot.

The authors basically concluded that though Show Boat and Oklahoma! are significant milestones in musical theatre, they didn't spring out of nowhere.... MarianKroy (talk) 04:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

G&S External LinkEdit

Hello! I really appreciate your diligence in monitoring the Gilbert and Sullivan information for WP. I wonder if you would reconsider removing the external link connecting Yale's collection to the page. The Sidney Rose Collection of Gilbert and Sullivan contains not only materials such as scores and libretti (which are indeed widely available), but also an unusually extensive collection of ephemera, most of it focusing on performances of G & S in the United States. These performances are documented by posters, programs, production photographs, reviews, and a wide variety of other items. Many of these items—especially those having to do with the more obscure performances—may be difficult or impossible to find elsewhere. -- Best Wishes from Tjr36 (talk) 17:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi. We don't have links to any of the great G&S collections in the world: the British Library, the Theatre Museum, the Royal Academy of Music, the DOC archives and the Morgan Library, so it would not make sense to link to Yale or other collections. There are too many of them, and Wikipedia is not a collection of links. I would love to see an article about G&S research that describes the major research collections, though! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!Edit

Thank you so much for taking your time to assess the Kerry Ellis article. I truly appreciate the notes you've given me, it'll definitely help! I can't thank you enough. A LOT NEEDS DOING!!!!!! :) -- Stephenjamesx (talk) 21:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


Need help with John Faithfull Fleet and Namadhari naik ... may i request you to help me counting on you as a friend? -- Tej smiles (talk) 19:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

William WaltonEdit

It is noble of you – above and beyond the call of duty – to plough through my prose on an English composer of (I suspect) no interest to you whatever. I didn't have the cheek to ask you to proof-read this one, and I am most grateful for you for undertaking it unbidden. Bless you! – Tim riley (talk) 17:07, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

’u’ (the first Klingon opera to reach Earth)Edit

What kind of expansion of the synopsis of ’u’ do you want to see? The entire plot in detail? ... I still must have an A4 handout of the scenes which I got at the performance. If I can still find it I could enhance the section. SpeakFree (talk) 17:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Flower Drum SongEdit

Saw you did some work way back on Flower Drum Song. Am reading a book about the play and it seems an article worth improving.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Baron GoloshEdit

What language is Baron Golosh in, if you know? I've been cleaning up Category:Operettas by giving all the entries subcategories of their own, by language. Baron Galosh is the only one left, because I can't tell what language it's in. Softlavender (talk) 07:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

English. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:23, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Ambassador stuff (Autumn 2010)Edit

The study of controversial content that you found looks very useful and I have assigned it to the Lehigh students in that sections of the course page. But I don't seem to have got the formmating right; could you explain? Also, while I have "watch this page" checked for both the course and discussion pages, I do not seem to actually get notices of changes. Any idea why? Thanks.--Ck07 (talk) 22:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

  Wikipedia Ambassador Barnstar
For outstanding efforts helping a student, which will soon have led to the first successful DYK from a student working with the ambassadors program, I award Ssilvers the Wikipedia Ambassador Barnstar.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Awesome 'first' there, congratulations!--Pharos (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help with my footnote! IR393.sae211 (talk) 20:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Mentees - Autumn 2010Edit

Deme - IR393DEME (talkcontribs)

Hello, I am IR393DEME from Lehigh University and I hope you will be my mentor this semester! I will be working on Indonesian occupation of East Timor . IR393DEME (talkcontribs) 18:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

sae211 - IR393.sae211 (talkcontribs)

Hi, I'm IR393.sae211 and I'm also participating in a Wikipedia project for the Seminar in Intervention. Would you be my mentor this semester? I am studying the Sierra Leone Civil War. Thanks. -- IR393.sae211 (talkcontribs) 01:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Gsrogers (talkcontribs)

Hello! I'm a student in the Wikipedia Public Policy class at Syracuse University. I saw that you have expertise in law, and I am planning on contributing to the Fair Sentencing Act article, which is currently a stub on Wikipedia. I should have begun to add content by 11:00 PM tonight (EST). Hopefully you can give me some feedback as I'm new to this and can use all the help I can get! Thanks! Gsrogers (talkcontribs) 17:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

FruitForAll (talkcontribs)

Hi Ssilvers, Would you be willing to be my mentor? I'm working on the public policy initiative with Indiana University. Thank you. -- FruitForAll (talkcontribs) 00:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)FruitForAll

Klcai (talkcontribs)

UC Berkeley's Politics of Piracy class ... the Secure Federal File Sharing Act, 02:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the additional cleanup, particularly the irrelevant musicals. I also vote to remove the ending Bernstein bit about musicals vs. operettas. As much as I love the guy, this opinion/paragraph is not only completely silly and idiosyncractic, but it also muddies the waters of an already muddy article. Besides, there's no easy way to check and see if that's really what he said (somehow I doubt it's entirely accurate). Not to mention, Bernstein is not a critical authority on the subject, and he was probably just babbling off the cuff. I vote you or I remove it. OK? Softlavender (talk) 03:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Clifford OdetsEdit

I've just added to the article on Clifford Odets the assertion that his play "Till the Day I Die" was banned on account of its anti-Nazi message. I have just found that it was banned in Australia and now unsure whether it was just Oz or US as well. Would it be any trouble to check your sources? Here's the second link (Disturbing how highly regarded they were before Poland.) --Doug butler (talk) 09:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


  Prince of Proofreaders Barnstar
For constantly rescuing me and my prose, reading articles that must have bored you to sobs, and helping me get them up to GA/FA I gratefully present you with this special barnstar. – Tim riley (talk) 22:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


.... means "keep up the good work". I admit that it is one of the lesser-used and perhaps passe' acronyms.... Ling.Nut (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Hi, I just saw your "WikiPen" on Gsrogers' talk page. Great idea! Your contribution to the Public Policy Initiative is making a difference. --Fschulenburg (Public Policy) (talk) 04:19, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

User talk:KbthompsonEdit

Very very sad news, but thank you very much for thinking of letting people know and for making that section on his talk page. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 11:45, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! If you don't celebrate Christmas ... Happy (belated) Hanukkah! Happy Eid al-Adha! Happy Kwanzaa! And of course, Happy Festivus! May this holiday season bring you the music of laughter, the warmth of friendship, and the steadying hand of love. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 05:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

References: Sierra Leone Civil WarEdit

Thank you for your input/help so far! It's been instrumental and I have really enjoyed seeing the page improve over the past couple of days. --IR393.sae211 (talk) 05:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Flower Drum SongEdit

Hey, sorry I missed all the fun! Congrats on getting such a great article to FA-status, and to the mainpage. I read part of it on my iPhone while traveling yesterday, and then of course I had to watch clips from the show on YouTube! Hope you have a happy holiday. :) María (habla conmigo) 13:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Mantra-Rock DanceEdit

Hello Ssilvers. It's a pleasure to have an excuse to contact you again. I have created the Mantra-Rock Dance article, and it seems to be poised for its DYK exposure due 11 January 12:00 AM (UTS). If the subject is at all of any interest to you, would you mind giving it a stern editorial look before that, at least for major blunders? I apologize for this very short notice, and am almost expecting you to turn the request down, but... PS: I am still working on a couple of last minor sections there, but they will be mostly quotes. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 22:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Ssilvers. Much obliged. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 23:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Your number has been chosenEdit

I admire your work. Thank you for not accepting a nomination that you are not inclined to take. Keegan (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Billie CarletonEdit

Hi, thank you for smartening up the article on Billie Carleton, it certainly looks a lot better. I've tried to add page numbers to references as asked, but sometimes I'm quoting from the DNB article and it doesn't cite a page reference, e.g. for the argument by Kohn that Carleton died due to taking depressants (but it does call the argument 'convincing', which I should perhaps have copied?) I've based my article on the DNB, but I also skim-read some contemporary reports in The Times. There was some arguing in court as to whether Carleton died due to 'veronal', whether she was suicidal etc: I haven't mentioned this. Also I'm not sure De Veulle was a transvestite. I'd imagine he was, it would fit in well with his interests but from what I recall from The Times he was just accused in court of having shown someone a book on the subject. I'll check this. Lastly there are some exterior sites which explore the case from its different aspects, looking at contemporary attitudes to drug taking, gender preference, racial anxieties etc - should I link to these? Sometimes the facts as cited on them are slightly at variance with the DNB, which I've preferred as a source.RLamb (talk) 12:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


Thank you, that was a very nice support. One thing--BB has raised a question at the FAC about Do you think you could explain why it is a high quality reliable source? I could attempt it but I suspect you'll do a better job, if I could prevail on you.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. That was very helpful.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

the actors i added to carousel are in the productions i listed in the 'reasons for editing.... all you need to do is look on th cast recordings and you will see them. you have other actors from those productions on your list...not sure how you missed redi shelton and fisher stevens. i was not edit warring i was adding useful info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:55, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

The King and I and Allegro (musical)Edit

I have listed The King and I at GAN. It is a little skimpy in a few places, like it could use a few reviews for later production. Any help would be appreciated.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I've been working on Allegro (musical) which is a bit difficult as I've never seen the piece (who has?) or listened to the score. Your comments would be very welcome. After this I think I am going to step back from this topic and benefit from the comments as these pass through at least part of the process, while uneasily eyeing South Pacific.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Off- v Off BroadwayEdit

Thanks for your note. I added my input and another resource to the discussion. MarnetteD | Talk 01:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you, Ssilvers, for your helpful contributions to The Mystery of a Hansom Cab. Much appreciated. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 15:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Victorian burlesque and BurlesqueEdit

Thanks for the note. I voted for Victorian burlesque. The article looks fine. <snip> Best. --GuillaumeTell 11:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Delius thanksEdit


Please accept this star as a token of thanks for your help in getting Frederick Delius to FA standard. This was truly the work of many hands, and your particular contribution was much valued. Brianboulton (talk) 21:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the updates and your kind offer. I really love musicals but I don't know how much I could contribute. When I have enough time I'll check the project out. Yours, (talk) 22:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


Have a look at Talk:Finale, if you haven't already. I was thinking of starting a Finale (stage works) article and contributing a section on opera (based on Grove). An operetta and a musical theatre section would be needed as well - it's not my province, but would you be interested? If not, any suggestions? --GuillaumeTell 16:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Musical TheatreEdit

Copied from here:

Note The dust seems to have settled while I was asleep, but I feel I should point out that I specifically warned Ronz [1] to stop edit warring and he simply removed the warning and seemed to be saying that I don't understand the situation and need not be concerned. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Ronz it seems does not like such evidence left on his talk page. His modus operandi is to spread the discussion around or to insist on placing the conversation on an opposing editor's talk page so people investigating have a harder time piecing things together and to shift blame onto the editor he is in dispute with by making it appear he is reasonably conversing with them on their talk page while simultaneously baiting them and planting diffs that support his view and disparage his opponent. It is surprising how effective his tactics are in bamboozling admins. The sophistication of it when one realizes what is really going on is troubling. I suggest admins wise up to it to avoid mistakes like the one committed in this case. Lambanog (talk) 20:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Renewed request to Ronz to stop posting on my talk pageEdit

Please stop posting to my talk page. I do not want to receive any more messages from you for any reason. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC) -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Oz templateEdit

Hi, I saw your question on Cirt's talk page (which I'm temporarily watching as a result of my own comment there) about the {{Oz}} template. It looks like "collapsed" was misspelled in it. I corrected that and things seem okay now. If I messed anything up, feel free to undo my edit. TJRC (talk) 23:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, looks great! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

re Sail Away - sources for Savoy Theatre original London cast 1962 - David Holliday etcEdit

Hi - As I'm a real newbie in Wikipedia, your kind offer is very much appreciated. Cheers Bluedelta25Bluedelta25 (talk) 11:54, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

FAC - Thomas BeechamEdit

I've now closed the (very thorough) PR and nominated the article at FAC (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Thomas Beecham/archive1). You have been marvellously generous with your time in copy-editing it over the weeks and years, but I don't think you are thereby ineligible to add any comments you may care to make at the FAC page. Tim riley (talk) 10:34, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Midway GamesEdit

I appreciate your concerns into adressing the Midway Games summary issue. Even though, you and I may not share same definition of a summary, I appreciate your efforts trying to make the Midway summary page a bit shorter. Regards Farine (talk) 22:45, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

George Bernard ShawEdit

I have heavily edited the paragraph on "Shaw musicals" - ... in case you are interested, or wish to make further changes. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 04:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Theatre Project collaborationEdit

Collaboration of the Month. This time it's the Theatre article.

  • Truelight234 had done some great work on the 19th century section of history of theatre, so I've been trying to clean that article up in preparation for summarising into the theatre article.

Ah! I came across that site only yesterday. ... Didn't think to investigate it further. Many thanks. • DP •  {huh?} 01:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Stanley Holloway article - thanksEdit

Hi can I just say a big thanks to you for your excellent work on improving the above article. In retrospect I can now see the mistakes the previous article had when comparing it to the newly laid out article ... and will not be so quick to condemn others for trying to improve material which I have added in future. I can now see the excellent work you all do so am somewhat eating humble pie as I write. Again many thanks Cassianto (talk) 23:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

CFR for opera singer catsEdit

Please take the Wikipedia Ambassador Program surveyEdit

Hi Ambassador. We are at a pivotal point in the development of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program. Your feedback will help shape the program and role of Ambassadors in the future. Please take this 10 minute survey to help inform and improve the Wikipedia Ambassadors. WMF will de-identify results and make them available to you. According to KwikSurveys' privacy policy: "Data and email addresses will not be sold, rented, leased or disclosed to 3rd parties." This link takes you to the online survey: Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments, Thank You! Amy Roth (Research Analyst, Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 20:45, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


Your input at Talk:Marinka would be helpful.4meter4 (talk) 20:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


What actually amazes me is that the guy did not change "soccer team" to "football club", which is the usual complaint by the Brits. But yes, you were quite right, I wrote that paragraph very deliberately in US English! Thank you.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:26, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

You are very welcome. This is clear from WP:MOS#National_varieties_of_English.. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: responses on user pages vs. user talk pagesEdit

Dear Ssilvers ... Thanks for your invaluable help in enhancing the Calthrop page. Regards, John Thaxter (talk) 13:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you, Ssilvers, for the copyediting help at The Kid (musical). Much appreciated. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 02:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Winifred EmeryEdit

Thanks for your help with this article. Thanks also for including me on the DYK for Patricia Preece; my input into the article was minimal and that was very generous of you. Jack1956 (talk) 10:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

You are very welcome. Re Preece: Nonsense, my good sir! You added all the images and did some of the research and writing. Plus, you inspired the article with your expansion of Grim's Dyke. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Zip Goes a MillionEdit

Thanks for your help with the article!--Mamma Rose (Sing out, Louise! ) 17:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


The cartoon on page 387 of this source is a satire on Patience. The article looks fairly stuffed with images, so I felt it better just to bring it to your attention and leave it to you to decide if it is worth uploading and using. There are a couple in there satirizing Pinafore, but I felt too much exposition would be needed. On an image hunt for John A. Macdonald likely TFA on July 1, and thought you might want to make use of these, if you think them worthwhile.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

BOM DiscussionEdit

Hey, your revert got reverted. Started a section at Talk:The Book of Mormon (musical) that you might want to put your opinion forward for.Mark E (talk) 22:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Love, Loss, and What I WoreEdit

You are a Theatre expert and thought you might want to take a look at Love, Loss, and What I Wore. How am I suppose to handle the international and national tours in the infobox? Advice/help appreciated.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help arranging the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Theatrical assistanceEdit

You helped me out so much with my last piece of theatre (Love, Loss, and What I Wore) so much that I thought I would ask if you might be interested in helping me tidy up Celebrity Autobiography: In Their Own Words (play) and Edward Scissorhands (ballet). I have a bit more to do on the latter, but you could start without interference on the former.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Also started Christine Jorgensen Reveals.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Welcome back. Thanks for cleaning up Celebrity Autobiography: In Their Own Words (play).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Stanley HollowayEdit

Many thanks for that. Yeah fully agree with the streamlining, I put the info on expecting you to streamline it anyway. I like the way it works; I do some research and put the info on and your excellent copy editing and streamlining cuts out all the unessential stuff! With any luck this way of working may one day increase this article to GA standard or possible higher! Thanks again Cassianto (talk) 12:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Christine Jorgensen RevealsEdit

I did not just include you to be nice. You are essential to the high quality presentation of the subject matter. I am holding off on doing the 2011 winner until after you have time to get through your list and do Edward Scissorhands (dance). I can't really do these well without you.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Why thank youEdit

Always happy to be of help. Keep up the good work, and happy editing! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:51, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

The Co-Optimists (film)Edit

I have done a little bit of work on the above subject and would like you to have a glance, when you can at what I have added.... [snip] Cassianto (talk) 19:11, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so muchEdit

Thank you very much for the barnstar - I am glad to know that my efforts are appreciated. Thanks again for the unexpected surprise, it was very kind of you, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


Please feel free to drop back at the PR and let me know what you think of the revisions. I have not been able to figure out how to include the comments about religions and minorities in the lede and am reluctant to as I'm not convinced his private views affected public policy, although the comments are quoted in the body, however I think I've done the rest of what you wanted.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you for your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Harold Pinter/archive1 which helped in the process of getting this article to FA status. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Holloway InfoboxEdit

Hi thanks for that. I didn't see it from that point of view and can see exactly what you mean. ... [snip] This is what is so great about Wikipedia. All the best Cassianto (talk) 20:39, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Oscar Wilde Sheet music imageEdit

I like the image you added to the Oscar Wilde article, it's not one I've seen before....[snip] Best, --Ktlynch (talk) 04:01, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Love, Loss, and What I WoreEdit

What do you think of the revised development section.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:48, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Coralie et CieEdit

Hi, SSilvers. ... It seems c.1899 there was a saucy French farce about a dressmaker called ‘Coralie et Cie’, co-written by Hennequin and Valabrégue.... RLamb (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


Ok, thanks for the fix on the link to the article on "The Emerald Isle." I'm working on an article on Arthur Collins, Equerry, and I wanted to do some editing before pushing too fast with the article, following WP's suggestion. So this would be a good example. Scogdill (talk) 20:12, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Sharon

And thanks for the suggestions about biography, I really appreciate your patience as i learn the ropes. Scogdill (talk) 20:39, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Harry ChampionEdit

I have recently started improving on the above article and have started to do quite a bit of research into the subject. Obviously it's no where near complete and I intend to add a few bits of research surrounding marriages, children etc and expand on the sections already within the article. Seeing as it involves a person from within a subject I know you find interesting, I would really appreciate it if you could take a look with a view to giving it a quick ce. I would love to know if, what I have done so far, is any good. Best Wishes Cassianto (talk) 21:38, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for the copy edit on Mr. Champion. Still very much to do I'm sure you'll agree Cassianto (talk) 21:36, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Image requests to British LibraryEdit


I meant to say "Thanks!". (I'll be away from my computer in the last 2 weeks of September, and then, will be at school--well really lifelong learning-- until mid-December, so I'm just doing odds and ends for the next few weeks, will be back full time in the Winter).JeanColumbia (talk) 12:49, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Note re: InfoboxesEdit

List of 11 articles the students will be working on.

In my opinion, infoboxes are redundant, and the same information is better given in narrative format in the WP:LEAD or other sections of the article instead of the choppy format in the box. The boxes make articles more difficult to edit, and daunting to even attempt to edit, for newbies. They are also the frequent targets of vandalism, and they almost invariably contain various errors. They take up valuable space near the top of an article and limit the size and layout of images near the top of the article. Finally, they distract editors from focusing on the content of the article; instead of improving the article, they spend lots of time working on this cosmetic feature and its extensive coding and formatting. Just my 2 cents. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:19, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
  • For bio articles, the person's dates and occupation are mentioned very clearly in the first sentence of the article.
  • Information about the person's family members or cause of death are not so important that they should be the first thing that readers see
  • The box does not emphasize the most important information, as the narrative LEAD section does so well.
See this. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves LibrariesEdit

The planning page for the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts event is Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/WLL. Add your plans there on teaching and editathon-ing, and hopefully Kosboot will chime in too.--Pharos (talk) 16:31, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Stanley Holloway - GA at last!Edit

  The Guidance Barnstar
Ssilvers, I want to thank you for all your time and patience in helping me make Stanley Holloway a Good Article. Without your help and guidance it would not have been possible. I would also like to thank you for correcting my many mistakes and for giving me some valuable and respected advice along the way. I would therefore feel honoured if you would accept this barnstar as a token of my thanks. Cassianto (talk) 18:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

McCaull Comic Opera CompanyEdit

Hi thanks for the message. I would be more than happy to contribute in some way. I'll get started straight away! Cassianto (talk) 18:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK Nomination. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:14, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


I had a bad setting! I would very much like to speak with you, my email is -- Posted by User:Victorgrigas.

Milhist FA, A-Class and Peer Reviews Jul-Sep 2011Edit

  The Military history reviewers' award
By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your devoted contributions to the WikiProject's Peer, A-Class and Featured article reviews for the period Jul-Sept 2011, the Military history WikiProject Reviewers' award. Buggie111 (talk) 22:57, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you on Arthur CollinsEdit

Hi, Ssilvers, thank you very much for your suggestions on the Arthur Collins page. Since he ended his career as a courtier as a Gentleman Usher, I was thinking maybe I'd say Arthur Collins (courtier) for the disambiguation page. I represented him as a courtier on the Old Marlburians page, and while it would I think be traditional to call somebody by their highest title, I've gone with the more general one. [snip] Anyhow, thanks again! Scogdill (talk) 18:53, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

RfC on 'album' notabilityEdit

Thanks for chipping in with your thoughts. I've taken the liberty of moving your comment down to the appropriate section of the RfC (so-called "Uninvolved editors"). Cheers.--MistyMorn (talk) 21:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind wishesEdit

[snip] Have a great spring yourself! --Soundofmusicals (talk) 23:27, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia The MusicalEdit

You've been deputized and you didn't even know it. DGG and Pharos suggested that the 3 of you could give introductions to Wikipedia around 1 pm, followed by 3 NYPL staff talking about collections. Then the 3 of you could repeat at 3 or 4, depending on demand. Though I brough up the idea of the training room, Pharos thought any training would be better done in the room reserved for the day. -- kosboot (talk) 16:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

  Most-patient-Wiki-teacher & Far-above-and-beyond Award
You definitely deserve an award for being the most patient teacher I have ever seen! Bravo! kosboot (talk) 07:12, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Kosboot gives me a tacit shout-out here. [Ssilvers]

It was great to see you again, and I second Bob about your awesome wiki-teachering on Saturday :) I definitely also agree there is something to women being more cautious about making a potential "mistake" on Wikipedia, and that this is something we can help remedy through library-type training sessions.--Pharos (talk) 00:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Musical -- Act IIEdit

[snip] I went to a concert at the New School for Social Research, and sure enough, the pianist Jay Gottlieb wasn't in WP ... Feel free to look at my page, User:Nbauman/Jay gottlieb, and tell me what you think. When I first started to create a page, I got a message that Malcolmxl5 had already deleted a page "Jay gottlieb" and to contact him first. I did leave a message but I couldn't find any reference to the deletion, any reason for the deletion, or even any way to find out whether it's the same Jay Gottlieb. I'll give Malcolmxl5 a day or two and then submit the page. --Nbauman (talk) 00:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Leslie HensonEdit

Hi, I have had a go at extending the lead section for Henson. See what you think and feel free to reduce if needs be.... All the best Cassianto (talk) 22:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much for that! I will start on the refs shortly... See what you think. All the best Cassianto (talk) 05:30, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Heavenly ChristmasEdit

Great start to the article. I've gone ahead and moved the track listing down from the lead to its more conventional position (it should never be in the lead, always its own section), and made Charts a section as well (you merely bolded it as a title). I think I corrected a couple of other little things and changed the album time to what MP3 versions of the tracks tell me. I didn't add writer info (some are simply "Traditional" NEway) as they didn't appear on the Allmusic listing, but I may fart around other holiday albums and look these up later ("Believe", for instance, is located on The Polar Express soundtrack). [snip]

Just a quick note: the article is now at Heavenly Christmas, where it shall now stay until the day a DAB is needed, if ever. I'll update in other articles the location to prevent double redirects; you may do the same as we both may miss different occurrences. =) CycloneGU (talk) 23:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Arthur Williams (actor)Edit

Re above, I have had a go at an extension of the lead and jiggled the images around due to displacement. One of those famous Ssilvers copy edit's needed I think Cassianto (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Ellaline Terriss and Paul Rubens - latest editionsEdit

Hi there, could you take a look at the above re my new edits and give them a quick ce. All the best Cassianto (talk) 01:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Excellent thank you for that! Cassianto (talk) 10:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Dan LenoEdit

Hi Ssilvers, I'm sorry i'm going to bother you again. I have had a go at improving Dan Leno using ODNB. I have a question. At the end of the article I have used a Quotebox to give a quote from Max Beerbohm. I have read WP:MOS backwards and cannot find anywhere which says I can't do this. I deliberated over putting it in a block quote so I am torn between the two. Is the Quote box reserved for newspapers only or is it for all written works? Or is a block quote better suited? ... Best regards. Cassianto (talk) 23:03, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Ambassador ProjectEdit

There'ss a interesting discussion about the future and the growth of the US education program along with the future of the Wikipedia Ambassador Project here. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Autumn 2011 course: Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/Theatre Script Analysis (Leigh Clemons). -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


Could you look at this edit? Many thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Holloway FACEdit

Thanks for the feedback I feel so much better knowing your behind the scenes on this one. I don't really know what to put when it asks about the reliability of the four sources. I just know that BMD is reliable as its an alternative to and other genealogy sites of the similar theme, the only difference being is its free. BMd was also recommended to me when SH was going through it's GAN which is why I used it. I don't remember adding the music hall ref of the show picture, or if I did then it must be a long time ago. I will post Tim a message about the Gaye citation as it may have been him who added it. Incidentally the festive rush started a few weeks ago over here, so now seems like a good time to sit in and edit! All the best -- Cassianto (talk) 00:10, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

GA ThanksEdit

Thanks for your assistance on some fairly recent GA promotions:

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:42, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Flower Drum SongEdit

I'd put it back the way we had it. I don't think the other awards are terribly helpful to the reader in this particular case.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:32, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Teamwork Barnstar
Thx for be continued ! Gozor136 (talk) 17:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Online ambassador for dance history course?Edit

Hello! I am a professor of dance and dance history at Franklin & Marshall College in Pennsylvania. I am considering having my Dance History students, in the spring 2012 term, contribute somehow to Wikipedia's entries on dance and dance history. There is no one from our school who is a campus ambassador, and among the online ambassadors, no one has a dance specialty. I see that you do a lot of work in theatre, including the musical stage. Of course, theater and dance are sister arts. In fact, at my college, I am part of a department of Theatre, Dance, and Film. I wonder if you would be interested in working with my class (about 14 students) as our online ambassador? Looking forward to hearing from you!

Best regards, Lynn Brooks - Professor of Dance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lynndance (talkcontribs) 12:41, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Edmund PayneEdit

S, see above for lede which I did (in rather a hurry)... Your thoughts? -- Cassianto (talk) 18:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Carousel (musical)Edit

Ssilvers, would you be willing to return to the article talk page to discuss this issue? I've partially reverted the referencing changes. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:11, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


I saw your post at Alarbus's talk page, since I recently posted there, and thought I might point you at WP:CITEVAR, which explicitly says that citation and referencing styles should defer to the style of the first major contributor. I recently went through a similar discussion at Talk:Ancient Roman pottery, so I understand how frustrating it is to be in the situation you're in. I don't know if you want to make a fuss about it, but if you'd like to return the article to the old referencing style I'd suggest pointing at CITEVAR on the talk page, and if necessary calling an RfC to get other editors' opinions. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


Review. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:54, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Parody musicEdit

As far as I know, this is NOT an article you have ever edited, or have any particular interest in (although it does, naturally, mention Sir Arthur Sullivan). Some one wants to hijack it for academic musical theory as opposed to general interest (at least that is my impression) and s/he and I have a dispute going. I would especially appreciate your opinion, as I can honestly say that we tend to differ rather than agree, all other things being equal. Perhaps you will see in his argument something I am missing. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 13:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Did you know?Edit

Hi! I just started Helen Barry who is a rare woman associated with the Monmouthpedia project. I can't find find much more about her. Do you have any stuff that could add to her biography? If not intrigued - don't worry. It was just a thought. Victuallers (talk) 12:42, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Well I'm very happy with what you've done. It looks much much better ... thanks Victuallers (talk) 19:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Big fat Awards sectionsEdit

Many musicals have a huge "Awards" section. An editor has now made these sections in dozens of articles even bigger and fatter by changing the format to a tabular format. I suggest moving these big Awards sections to a separate article, like this one: List of awards and nominations for the musical South Pacific. Then, we can leave just a paragraph or two in the article itself, describing the major awards, with a cross-reference to the new list article, like this: Fiddler on the Roof#Awards. When you get back, let me know if you would mind helping to do some of these? Hope your break is fun. Best regards! -- Ssilvers (talk) 6:10 pm, 21 July 2011, Thursday (5 months, 11 days ago) (UTC−4)

I think a major change to the strucure of Musical theatre articles such as this (tabular format) should have been/should be discussed with the project participants and other interested editors before making such changes. As this was not done, at least you have started the conversation at the project page; more discussion on this entire area (that is, how to show awards) is needed before ANY changes are made. It would be helpful if the editor who is making these changes (to tabular format) join the discussion; also, could this editor be asked to make the separate article-list awards articles, rather than having others do this work? ... Flami72 (talk) 7:32 am, 26 July 2011, Tuesday (5 months, 6 days ago) (UTC−4)

Online Ambassador, Spring 2012Edit

How would you feel about working with Adrianne Wadewitz's course at IUPUI? She is a Wikipedian, has been a Campus Ambassador, and is still searching for an Online Ambassador because she's extremely concerned about making sure her students have enough support. This seems like a very communicative person with whom you may enjoy working. JMathewson (WMF) (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Susan RiceEdit

I've looked over the article, and reverted the changes that were the result of vandalism. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 00:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:00, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


I'm sure you will join me in wishing Frederic the best on his 39th birthday!--Wehwalt (talk) 09:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Here's good luck to Frederic's ventures! He'd better hurry, because in 4 years, he'll be middle-aged! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Indeed! Happy Birthday to Frederic! MarianWilde (talk) 16:37, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank You!Edit

Thanks for fixing my citations and for your copyedits on No, No, Nanette! I appreciate your editing experience and willingness to clean up my well-intentioned (but less-than-perfect) edits. -- MarianWilde (talk)

Thank you!Edit

Ooooh. A title :) Thank you. :) --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 22:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/Adolescent Literature Spring 2012 (Adrianne Wadewitz)Edit

My students are starting to edit their articles - please watch out for them and help them! Thanks! Wadewitz (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Palace Theatre, LondonEdit

Thanks. Goldnpuppy (talk) 16:12, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

George CrabbeEdit

Thanks for your help with the article; especially what you did with the monument photo and inscription. The lead looks better as well. I've added to the critical response section, and I think it's good enough to stand as is in regard to what might be required for GA. Emily Dickenson is so different that I can't see using her FA article as an example. She's a much greater poet, is widely read, and has the attention of more scholars than can be counted. I'd rather compare Crabbe's article to another forgotten poet Jones Very, whose article is GA, and a bit less than what Crabbe's is. Can you take a look at the critical section as it now is and let me know what you think of a GAN? INeverCry 19:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help. If I hadn't seen your changes I probably would've moved on to something else. I have a few new pictures of Crabbe to add, and then on to GAN. INeverCry 20:26, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Category discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical TheatreEdit

While editing, I stumbled upon Category:Great Depression musicals and Category:Musicals set in the Roaring Twenties. They contain one and two musicals respectively (Great Depression musicals originally included Chicago (musical), but I removed it). I started a discussion on the project page on whether to keep or remove the categories, and if you have the free time, I'd like your opinion. Though I was originally fairly certain that I wanted to delete the categories, I'm now not sure if they have the potential to be helpful navigational tools or not. MarianWilde (talk) 16:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

In Gay New YorkEdit

Thank you for you improvements to this article. Candleabracadabra (talk) 16:39, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Dark WaltzEdit

I didn't see the point in mentioning the "Pure" album at all. I would've prefered to have just the song named but I thought you'd rather have more information rather than less. If it was to be linked to anything, I would have linked it to Jackie's 1st album "Prelude to a Dream" since it's on there. But I like the idea of a footnote. It can provide as much information as you want without having to clutter up the text more than it has to be. Also, I noticed that "Ave Maria" in that section is linked to a different article than it is in the AGT section. Isn't it the same song? For An Angel (talk) 19:14, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Footnote it is. Thanks! This link is to distinguish between the Schubert "Ave Maria" and the Bach/Gunod version, both of which have been performed by Evancho at various times. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Google Books citation toolEdit

Paste a Google Books url into here and it will make the full refs. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


Looks OK. Thanks for the edits. I can't figure out if his script is mistaken or if he's misreading it; certainly the R&H O has gotten loose with the canon in recent years, as we both know from Flower Drum Song, but it's starting to annoy me.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:22, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I think your idea of putting the other title in parentheses would be a reasonable compromise, if he wants to compromise on the issue. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, it's worked well in other disputes. And I suspect that Stonecutters ... is often thought of as the title. And I've changed it back from IP edits several times ... it's worth thinking about. Kaiserkarl doesn't seem to edit that often, but I suspect we'll hear from him again.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Dan LenoEdit

This is a note to let the main editors of Dan Leno know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on June 21, 2012. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 21, 2012. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or his delegate Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Dan Leno (1860–1904) was a leading English music hall comedian and musical theatre actor during the late Victorian era. He was perhaps best known, aside from his music hall act, for his dame roles in the annual pantomimes that were popular at London's Theatre Royal, Drury Lane from 1888 to 1904. As a youth, he was famous for his clog dancing, and in his teen years, he became the star of his family's act. As a solo artist, he became increasingly popular during the late 1880s and 1890s, when he was one of the highest-paid comedians in the world. He developed a music hall act of talking about life's mundane subjects, mixed with comic songs and surreal observations, and created a host of mostly working-class characters to illustrate his stories. In 1901, still at the peak of his career, he performed his "Huntsman" sketch for Edward VII at Sandringham. The monarch was so impressed that Leno became publicly known as "the king's jester". Leno continued to appear in musical comedies and his own music hall routines until 1902, although he suffered increasingly from alcoholism. This, together with his long association with dame and low comedy roles, prevented him from being taken seriously as a dramatic actor. He suffered a mental breakdown in early 1903 and was committed to a mental asylum, but was discharged later that year. After one more show, his health declined, and he died aged 43. (more...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

And warmest congrats to you too. I wonder who nominated it? Or are they just picked at random? Still no matter, never has the main page looked more interesting! :-) -- CassiantoTalk 06:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Georg Solti FAEdit

On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, I would like to thank you for editorial efforts that helped Georg Solti become a WP:FA.

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

It was my pleasure. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:10, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Improving Oh, Kay!Edit

It would be nice to get this article beyond Start-Class status... I'm more used to tinkering around the edges of articles on Wikipedia rather than doing major work (and don't have any experience of the WP:WPMT), but I'll give it a go. It won't be in any great hurry though as I don't get a lot of computer time and have other calls upon it when I do.... I always have trouble with Wikipedia as I'm accustomed to the IMDB where the prevailing principle is that information, however trivial, should never be edited out if provided -- so I'm never clear how much of the material available to me ought to be excised for encyclopedic purposes! Not sure what's happened to User:MarianWilde :( Igenlode (talk) 22:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Jessie Broughton ReferencesEdit

Hi ssilvers, <snip> I think what may have happened here is that I did not quote references at the end of each sentence or after each statement as I would now (this being one of my earlier articles). So people have been unable to tell which reference book is associated with which facts in the main body of the article and so added more references! I intend to fix this now in the next few weeks and make sure that every statement has its own ref. Richard J Myers (talk) 21:24, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:35, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Stanley HollowayEdit

This is a note to let the main editors of Stanley Holloway know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on August 18, 2012.... UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Cole PorterEdit

Hey, I came across the Cole Porter article and saw you were a major contributor. Just want to say nice work. WesleyDodds (talk) 12:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


Hiya, thought it was about time I did some more G&S. Just received my copy of the Broude Pinafore vocal score. Sharkli (talk - contribs) 16:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Haha! Finally! Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:43, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


Thank you for your attention to the William Nordhaus article. (talk) 04:22, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

Hi Ssilvers! Just a friendly hello! Let me know if you're interested in working with any classes as an Online Ambassador this term (although I haven't seen any that jump out at me and say, this one's for Ssilvers). Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 14:19, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the kitten! There is another project that I must get to, so unfortunately, I cannot take on any new projects currently. If a professor wanted a one-time one-on-one training, I'd be happy to do that. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Joseph GrimaldiEdit

I currently have the above listed at peer review as a result of a lot of work and research which I have conducted over the last couple of months. I would be extremely greatful for any comments you may have and would welcome any feedback or suggestions. Many thanks in advance. -- CassiantoTalk 02:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Jackie Evancho discographyEdit

I am very impressed with the Evancho article. Evancho and a few other ladies from BGT, especially Hollie Steel, have impressed me very much both as artists and personalities. I appreciate your review and improvement of my most recent contributions to both the bio article and Silver Screen. I find it very challenging to make most of my contributions; I am amazed at the quantity of your contributions. Looking over the Evancho articles' talk pages it would seem that you have impressive skills at callaborating without being offensive and stubborn as a few other editors I have worked with have been.1archie99 (talk) 16:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

The only official Asian charts are these: (Taiwan) (Korea) (Japan) ... <snip> --Simone Jackson (talk) 16:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Herbie Hancock discographyEdit

Only one thing. I read on your page that you are a native speaker of English. Can you see if there are errors in the introduction of this page? I worked hardly and for many months to it and now i feel that it is ready for a FL Star. Thanks in advance. Simone Jackson (talk) 00:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Done! -- Ssilvers (talk)
<snip>Thank you very very very much for all the help. For anything, I am at your disposal [:-) Simone Jackson (talk) 21:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Gabriel FauréEdit

May I nominate Gabriel Fauré for TFAR(Today's feautured article) on requests. ... Please say yes!--Lucky102 (talk) 08:48, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Pierre MonteuxEdit

...I have co-nominated Pierre Monteux at FAC. ... Any comments will be welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 10:56, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


We have another enthusiastic newbie there who has some questions and suggestions that your counsel would be welcome on. Hope you are not being hit too badly by the hurricane.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Video chart; Katherine JenkinsEdit

About Katherine Jenkins, I'll try to balance my commitments, but i think that there should be no problems [:-) Simone Jackson (talk) 02:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for all the hard work to get the Jackie Evancho article to GA status. Great job! Cresix (talk) 21:39, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

The King and IEdit

I'd like to see if we can get this one done. I see you've been maintaining it, thank you for that. Do you recall what needed to be done?--Wehwalt (talk) 14:17, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

File:Joseph Ferdinand Keppler - The Pirate Publisher - Puck Magazine - Restoration by Adam Cuerden.jpgEdit

This may amuse you. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:54, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


C'est Magnifique! (shades of Cole Porter). I stress I am alluding to your work and the great (relatively speaking) improvement to what was a very poor article indeed, rather than the finished quality of the result, which obviously still "needs work". Not sure we really want any more "synopsis", mind you - it seems to me a pretty fair summary of an especially inane plot. Anyway, for this relief much thanks. Doubt if I'll be returning to it soon, but I will keep it on my watchlist, and if I have a spare moment or two... --Soundofmusicals (talk) 06:36, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Jean AylwinEdit

Thank you for the heads-up. That's great news! <snip> Well done for all your work in getting this article up to standard, and ensuring we have a picture to adorn DYK! AlexTiefling (talk) 21:09, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year!Edit

  Best wishes for the New Year!
Wishing you and yours a joyous, healthful, and productive 2013!

Please accept a belated thank you for the well wishes upon my retirement as FAC delegate, and apologies for the false alarm of my first—and hopefully last—retirement; the well wishes extended me were most kind, but I decided to return, re-committed, when another blocked sock was revealed as one of the factors aggravating the FA pages this year.

Maintaining standards in featured content requires vigilance, dedication and knowledge of people like you, who are needed; reviews are always welcome at FAC, FAR and TFA requests. Somehow, somehow we never ever seem to do nothin' completely nice and easy, but here's hoping that 2013 will see a peaceful road ahead and a return to the quality and comaraderie that defines the FA process, with the help of many dedicated Wikipedians!

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The King and IEdit

Congratulations on its promotion to FA. Well done! Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 21:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations to you and Wehwalt on the FA! Hardly a surprise with such a team behind it, but a matter for rejoicing nonetheless. Tim riley (talk) 19:43, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Loud applause to you both, well done! -- CassiantoTalk 20:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Leno's listEdit

Heartiest congratulations on the promotion of another top-notch list! All the best - SchroCat (talk) 20:45, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
With the Featured Topic now passed, congratulations on the Leno body of work: only "Vegetables grown by Dan Leno" to go before you've truly achieved the full set! - SchroCat (talk) 15:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Of course, Cassianto did the hard work on the Leno articles, but I was pleased with the results. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:24, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Royal International Baboon AwardEdit

  What ho! Please accept this baboon from Tim riley, sent to brighten your day.

Thank you very much for this magnificent award! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Stanley KirkbyEdit

Hi, Thanks for your helpful and kind reply. ... Richard J Myers (talk)

1907 imageEdit

Well, that would make it an out-of-copyright photo (in America, anyway - we can use {{PD-US-1923-abroad}} to prevent it from being marked for transfer over to commons ... Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

What is a "proof score"?Edit

Greetings. In this version of article The Golden Legend (cantata) you introduced the phrase "proof score" (which is still being used in the current version of the article). But what is a proof score? Thanks. Contact Basemetal here 16:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Contact Basemetal here 19:33, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

The Rite of Spring againEdit

Hi Ssilvers, as someone who has commented in the past on whether The Rite of Spring article should have an infobox or not, I wanted to let you know that the discussion has been reopened on the article's talk page. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Kinky Boots (musical)Edit

This edit summary and this talk page comment are calls for your expertise. Could you take a look.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. The heading was ok, and the commenter is correct that a plot summary is essential. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination for article Lieutenant of the Tower of LondonEdit

The edits you made to the layout of this article are a great improvement. Would you be interested in jointly submitting it to DYK? NinaGreen (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Jacques Offenbach/GA1Edit

Hey, ssilvers! Looks like we meet each other on here again. I've left my comments there, but there aren't that many - it's just three points that need dealt with. Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearanceEdit

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of the article Songs, sketches and monologues of Dan Leno know that it will be appearing as the main page featured list on July 8, 2013. You can view the TFL blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured list/July 8, 2013. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured list directors The Rambling Man (talk · contribs), Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) or Giants2008 (talk · contribs), or at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured list. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad.   Thanks! Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 08:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Roses of PicardyEdit

Hi, I have expanded the Roses of Picardy page into a full article and put a lot of work into this. However there are a couple of editors who are doing edits that either mess it up or are of poor quality. I suppose this could be an issue with the visual editor causing corruption? Or maybe they are not previewing anything that they do before they save? Can you help? I am trying to tidy them as best I can - or revert them where they are seriously bad. I hope as a senior editor you can help. I have left a message on one talk-page, but the editor appears not to have read a report from a "bot" that has already pointed out that their edit is causing a problem. Regards Richard J Myers (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for your help in this matterRichard J Myers (talk) 19:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


  100000 Edits
Congratulations on reaching 100000 edits. You have achieved a milestone that very few editors have been able to accomplish. The Wikipedia Community thanks you for your continuing efforts. Keep up the good work!

If you like you can add this userbox to your collection.

 This user has been awarded with the 100000 Edits award.

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Thank you! I would like to thank my mother and father, who made this award possible. :D -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Ian Wallace linkEdit

Hi - many thanks for letting me know about the Ian Wallace link. I've put a correct link there now. Helical gear (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Red linksEdit

Hi Ssilvers, Well, you make a hell of a lot more sense to me than 87Graham does. You also refer to specific WP guidelines, which s/he doesn't. Turns out s/he went through and reversed all my removals since 2011! ... Greetings,--Classicfilmbuff (talk) 21:57, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome and guidanceEdit

Ssilvers, I just discovered a welcome message from you on my user talk page. Being a relatively infrequent visitor to Wikipedia, and even less frequent contributor, I'm still fairly inexperienced, and I appreciate your pointers and links to info. You seem a very interesting, accomplished person and Wikipediast, with many areas of interest that I share. I hope this is the correct way to respond to your communication. Thanks!--Toscaskiss32Toscaskiss32 (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

'Villikins and his Dinah'Edit

Hi, I'm currently trying to create the above page on this obscure but influential British theatrical song. I'd be grateful for some guidance, if you have the time. If you're able to visit it it's at Thanks in advance RLamb (talk) 10:26, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response. Glad you seem not to dislike the layout - I pretty much copied it from other entries on well-known songs. I know parts are still sketchy, but when I've tidied up the refs I think I'll try it. So I may pick your brains again for categories...RLamb (talk) 17:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Music Theatre InternationalEdit

Hi there! I seemed to notice that you reverted all the changes I made for Music Theatre International. I apologize if I did anything wrong. I just work for MTI and we were wondering if there was a way we could link the Wikipedia page to the show page on the MTI site. If there's a better/easier way to do it, please let me know! Mikebloom819 (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

If it's okay with you, I'm just going to go back through the pages I already edited and edit the external links so they all follow the sentence you just gave me. Mikebloom819 (talk) 16:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion on a photoEdit

Hi. We really need your opinion on which of these photos would make the best Infobox portrait for the Rick Remender article. Could you please offer your opinion in that discussion? The most recent subsection of that discussion is here, so you can just chime in there if you don't want to read the whole thread. I really appreciate it. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 17:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Diary of a NobodyEdit

Just to let you know I've nominated this at FAC, having delayed in the hopes that the backlog there would diminish. But it hasn't, so I've gone ahead. Thanks for your past help. Brianboulton (talk) 19:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Junior VersionsEdit

I will go ahead and start removing them tomorrow, based on the criteria you listed. Thanks. Mikebloom819 (talk) 21:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

King and I imageEdit

Did you want me to look for another one to represent Act 2? I realize the "Small House of Uncle Thomas" one is a bit small and rather wide. I wanted one that wasn't of Brynner and Lawrence.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Expand The Pink Lady for a DYK ?Edit

I'm running out of time, and I see you worked on Ivan Caryll. Would you like to expand his The Pink Lady (musical) for a DYK? The sources have more material that could be added. Djembayz (talk) 03:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Frederick RobsonEdit

Hi Ssilvers, remembering how you improved an article on Billie Carleton, any chance you could take a look at a new one I started on Frederick Robson? He probably predates the theatrical period which interest you, but I would welcome any comments on where the article falls short. I haven't yet entered much on his family life, I was thinking of adding it as a separate section as it was a bit complicated.RLamb (talk) 10:51, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for taking time to do this, it's very helpful and gives me plenty to go at!RLamb (talk) 18:01, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:GAN nominationsEdit

Well, Hair (musical) is quite a standard for WP:GA. It looks to me to be close to WP:FA level. Admittedly, all of my nominees fall short of that standard, but many have several features that Hair should aspire to. The multi-run cast lists (see Trip to Bountiful) and cited awards tables. Of course, I will need the help of patient reviewers and or editors to get any of these to GA. I understand that your time might be spent better elsewhere, but 4 of these six have won Tony Best Play, Tony Best Musical, Pulitzer for Drama or Olivier Best Play. It is not like I am looking for help on run of the mill stuff.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:07, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

It already says that Ephron started on the subject as a screenplay and then made it into a play (does that answer how it came to be written). Set design is also mentioned as basic and shifting.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I have withdrawn The Trip to Bountiful (play) and I have agreed to allow Lucky Guy (play) to fail without the full plot. If you know how to find a plot for Lucky Guy, I think I have added enough that it would be seriously considered for promotion.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:12, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the Kudos. Do you have advice for finding plot details for this work and in general?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:28, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your Ambassadorship!Edit

Hi, Ssilvers -- thank you so much for your willingness to support the Wikipedia project in my Theater History to 1642 class this semester! Especially given your interest in theater, the students and I are looking forward to working with you. Amy E Hughes (talk) 11:39, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Ssilvers, as a student of Professor Hughes I would also like to thank you in advance for being our Online Ambassador. Brian Kafel (talk) 19:06, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Matilda the MusicalEdit

Ive posted a large range of reliable sources at the wiki project which should be able to give a more varied outlook on the reception. Also some more reliable ones that state specifically the level of reviews. I hope you can find the time to do this as Beyond My Ken wont and cant see anyone else doing.Blethering Scot 19:54, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I Would like to really thank you for your help with this as I know it took a lot of your time up. The Critical reception section is something I struggle with as I find it difficult to write a balanced section and picking out quotes. I've started pages on most of the new London shows and had to leave this section out. Thanks again. Blethering Scot 13:59, 7 October 2013 (UTC)


Applause (Bonnie Franklin song) well I added some critical comment as you requested. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Quick questionEdit

Hi there! I had a quick question from the Brooklyn College Theatre History class... I am having trouble with the course tag on my chosen article (Love's Labour's Lost). I put the code in, but the template is not showing up on the article. Would you mind letting me know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks so much! Ashleybirdsell (talk) 00:30, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Ashley. You had the banner code correct, but you put it on the wrong page. It goes on the article's Talk page, rather than the article's front page. I moved it over there for you, and you can see that the code works properly there. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:35, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate your help! Ashleybirdsell (talk) 17:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

More MTI TalkEdit

Hello again! I'm working now on "sprucing up" the Music Theatre International page on behalf of the company. I thought I would try to start by making a list of MTI's most recognizable titles, with links to their Wikipedia pages. The symbols next to them would refer to whether they have a School Edition publishable (but there would be no link to any MTI page at all). Is this feasible? Just want to make sure I'm not violating anything, thanks! Mikebloom819 (talk) 19:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Apologies for the inconvenience, we're probably going to be doing some more cosmetic updates to the page (no additional content, don't worry) in the next coming weeks. Thanks again! Mikebloom819 (talk) 13:39, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Life is a DreamEdit

Hi! thanks for your suggestions on my first improvement. I decided to add the details to the facts box on the right where there was already a list of characters. I wanted to ask you something: Salvador Dali made a series of paintings about this play in 1975. That's probably too recent to add it freely to Wikimedia commons, right? As for the plot summary, I'll be working on it to make it better. Thanks! CataVillamarin111 (talk) 05:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


Quick question. If a musical was first performed in 2007, then again in 2013, am i correct in saying it should only have the category 2007 musicals and not both. Ive seen articles having both a few times like this one for example but was never very sure.Blethering Scot 20:24, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up.Blethering Scot 20:44, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Thats pretty much how i thought it would be, but still learning a little bit when it comes to that so thought better clarifying. Thanks again.Blethering Scot 22:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Playhouse TheatreEdit

On an entirely different note have you any idea if we have an article on the Playhouse Theatre, 357 West 48th Street, that would of been active in 1981 per this article. I found Playhouse Theatre (New York City) but that was demolished in 1968 and was at 137 West 48th Street. Any ideas or do you know someone who might.Blethering Scot 18:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

If you want to write an article about it (which is a good idea), you ought to name the new article Jack Lawrence Theatre. Then, in the article, note that it was previously called the Playhouse Theatre. See this IBDB entry. -- Ssilvers (talk) 5:12 pm, Today (UTC−4)

Re: Course templateEdit

Oops, sorry, you appear to be right. I just thought you'd removed it by accident. Graham87 05:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries! Thanks for your help with the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

De Cou in ChoregosEdit

Hi. I think you're right about the capitalization of De Cou at the beginning of a reference . . . reverts to sentence case, probably. Thanks for catching it. I tried looking for it in the MOS but haven't found it yet. (I did learn, while looking for examples, that the De in Thomas De Quincey always seems to be capitalized, lol, just for your own information). What occurred to me was: how many editors (assuming we're correct) remember to capitalize the De when using a cite template that includes the author's name, especially if the editor is an old francophone like me? -- (talk) 23:09, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

LOL. I'd rather not use the templates, and add in words like "vol." "issue" and "p." anyway. Thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:16, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Poor Herbert Fletcher De Cou! Look at the 4th paragraph of this article: Federico Halbherr. -- (talk) 02:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Indeed! BTW, you might want to register an account, which would make editing easier.. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:40, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Kinky Boots (musical)Edit

Are you watching Kinky Boots (musical)? Don't let me mess it up. Can you strike the talk page issues that you feel are resolved?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't want to tinker with the synopsis. Could you address Kinky_Boots_(musical)/archive1#Comments_from_Wehwalt about the synopsis.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
My main goal right now is to try to keep this in my main plate and your main plate. If we let it slip with WP being what it is, it could be a few seasons before we give this one the attention it deserves. The momentum we have going right now is good. We should be able to get this renominated in the next few weeks at this pace. I confess to just sort of trolling the internet for articles to read and tacking things onto the article. I will have a look at which PR issues I have addressed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:25, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Good progress! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Synopsis in Life is a DreamEdit

Hi! You were absolutely right about the synopsis. It was a mess. However, the first paragraph wasn't the first act, but more like an overview. I rewrote that whole Synopsis section... <snip> I then saw that you added the "citation needed" note, and have been looking for sources that can back up those statements. <snip> Now that I've made some big changes, I'd love to read your opinion on the article as it is, and hear about further changes you would recommend. Thanks for your help! -- CataVillamarin111 (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Cata. See the article's talk page, where I will answer your questions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:08, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


Your alphab. arrangement of the "Further reading" section of Choregos looks good. Thanks! (Why didn't I see it first?) -- (talk) 23:06, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks - working on ChoregosEdit

Thank you so much for all of your help and guidance with my project for my Brooklyn College Theater History class! You and Tim riley have provided invaluable guidance and I have been working to incorporate your suggestions. Kfurano1129 (talk) 04:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Alicewond.jpgEdit

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Template:Did you know nominations/Bessie Jones (Welsh singer)Edit

I created the nomination for you. You can add alternative hooks if original hook is not the only interesting fact. --George Ho (talk) 02:55, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Can you find Jones's recordings of Welsh songs? --George Ho (talk) 00:10, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Joseph GrimaldiEdit

This is a note to let the main editors of Joseph Grimaldi know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on December 18, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 18, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Joseph Grimaldi (1778–1837) was an English actor, comedian, dancer, and the Regency era's most successful entertainer. He popularised the role of Clown in the harlequinade that formed part of British pantomimes during the 1800s, and became a key pantomime performer at the Drury Lane, Sadler's Wells and Covent Garden theatres. He first appeared on stage at Drury Lane as "Little Clown" in the pantomime The Triumph of Mirth; or, Harlequin's Wedding, while still a boy. Other successful roles at the theatre followed, but he left in 1806 and took up theatrical residencies at the Covent Garden and Sadler's Wells theatres. As he matured, he began performing as "Clown", for which he created the whiteface make-up design still in use today. The numerous injuries he received as a result of his energetic performances led to a rapid decline in his health, and his early retirement in 1823. He rarely appeared on stage thereafter, and struggled to recapture his earlier success. Living in obscurity during his final years he became an impoverished alcoholic. Grimaldi died at home in Islington, aged 59, having outlived his wife and his actor son Joseph Samuel. (Full article...)

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Apology from Jim856796 for making stylistic changes to two articlesEdit

Greetings, Ssilvers, this is Jim856796. In late 2011, I edited the Savoy Hotel article, but the pre-conjunction commas were omitted because British English generally omits it. March 2013, I edited the Bernadette Peters article -- which is an US/American subject, but the commas were omitted again, as well as the English-style posessives, though I didn't want her surname to look like a plural form. The MOS says that, "If discussion cannot determine which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor." Sometimes the first major contributor can be persuaded by the legal reasoning about clarity, or probably not. Anyway, Ssilvers, I would like to apologize for making the edits which you had to revert, because I didn't realize that in certain articles, the pre-conjunction comma can only be used sparingly, or not be used at all, so I am sorry for acting like it was mandatory, when in actuality, I don't think it shouldn't be. Jim856796 (talk) 05:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

No apology necessary. In both the UK and the US, if a conjunction is part of an independent clause or a parenthetical clause, then a comma must precede it - otherwise not. Also, I generally prefer not to use the Oxford (serial) comma. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
So, this means all is forgiven? Jim856796 (talk) 06:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Of course! Also, if you have any suggestions for these articles, I'm happy to discuss them on the article's Talk page and try to explain any choices that I have made. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Helpful IP at Kinky Boots (musical)Edit

There is a pretty helpful IP who is beefing up Kinky Boots (musical). I think he has added too much to the lead and he has reverted my reversion of this. Also, he seems to point to reviews once the show started as the reason for ticket sale increases, while we had sourced that it was the Tonys. Please take a look.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:37, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Adrienne AugardeEdit

Thank you for fleshing out the article, good job! Regards, John F. Barlow (talk) 22:21, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Oberammergau Passion PlayEdit

Dear Ssilvers, Is this the appropriate place to ask you a question about my article. If not apologies. The Oberammergau Passion Play has many, many authors and revisers. In my [2] citation in my sandbox it's indicating I've done something wrong. I filled in the template under co-authors with all the authors listed. Is there an appropriate way to list them in the citation without the error message? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrianKafel (talkcontribs) 20:23, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, this is fine. I responded on your talk page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!Edit

60px Happy Holidays!
Hi, Ssilvers! Have a happy and safe season, and a blessed new year!
Holiday cheers, --Discographer (talk) 00:47, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Happy holidays to you and all Wikipedians. The encyclopedia is a worthy endeavor, and I am honored to be involved with it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:43, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Marie JansenEdit

Hello again, I've added an article on Marie Jansen, an American musical actress who found some success over the 1880s and 90s. Anyway if you have the time I would appreciate if you could check it out for any errors or need of additions. Regards and Happy New Year. John F. Barlow (talk) 04:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again. According to Francis Wilson, Jansen never knew her true birthday. When he first met her in 1884 as a member of the Emily Barton Company, he was eighteen and she claimed to be twenty. It’s probable she shaved a few years off her true age, but erasing fifteen years from the tally would , as Wilson put it, “make her the most perennial youthful woman who ever lived.’’ Carleton wrote in his letter to the Times that it was his recollection that Jansen was around twenty when she played Iolanthe.Regards,John F. Barlow (talk) 04:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
See this DYK nomination. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:13, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the assistance with the DYK for Jansen. If you're interested I've added an article on the British actress, Jennie Lee (c. 1854-1930); though I'm not sure if she falls into the area of your specialty. Regards John F. Barlow (talk) 03:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Good to know, thanks John F. Barlow (talk) 05:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

G&S project listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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A Tesla Roadster for you!Edit

  A Tesla Roadster for you!
Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Gg53000 (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Vrooooooooooooooooooooooooooom (silently). -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Judith Newman and Pamela PaulEdit

Hello! I just saw your comment on the Judith Newman talk page re: Pamela Paul, and I'm so glad you wrote it. PAMELA PAUL is the EDITOR of the New York Times Sunday Book Review! She's not a co-worker! She's Pamela Paul! (Wait. Did I say that yesterday?)

I started editing the article after I read Judith's essay on Wednesday -- I just added refs, removed hype, did some copy fixes -- but stopped (pretty much) after the community took it over. She interviewed me for a story about 10 years ago, and was kind enough to accept my Friend request on Facebook a few years ago. So even though I don't know her, I felt like I should refrain from any substantive changes. Anyway - I'm really proud of the article as it now stands - I think it reflects so well on all of us - thank you so much for the work you've done. You and Moncrief are killing it! Julie JSFarman (talk) 21:46, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Moncrief did the hard work. I just added some odds and ends. But it's obvious that Newman is notable, so I was happy to contribute. BTW, I thought that Newman's article in the NYT was poorly researched, particularly with regard to her statements about paid editors - she obviously did not talk to any really experienced editors here, or they could have explained to her why paid editing is a very bad idea. And, I find it very annoying that journalists like Newman, who have some understanding of our editorial process, and who use Wikipedia constantly, think it's fun to criticize us so broadly, when we get so much right and are putting together one of the greatest free resources in the world. I guess it wouldn't be much fun to write an article saying "Wikipedia is really great, and if you find a mistake, you can point it out, giving a citation to a reliable source, and let editors here fix it." -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

W. Russell Flint; Princess IdaEdit

I got a 1909 copy of Savoy Operas. This is Pirates, Princess, Patience, and Princess Ida, 7-8 images each. Since I cannot upload them to Commons, it's somewhat important they all go into the articles in some way. Would you rather do this as a gallery, or just replace some of the lower-resolution, less significant images?

Of course, the solution might well depend on the opera: Some are better illustrated than others. I've put one in Ida already, losing the Quadrille (which doesn't seem quite so illustrative of the opera), though I suspect we'll want to move it down when I finish the other 7, since a couple of those are really gorgeous. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

The William Russell Flint images. You know, the really famous ones? Hell, the introduction to the book is probably worth quoting in full in the various articles: It's by Gilbert himself, and includes his personal opinion on the original The Princess. (And, of course, I don't mean "delete" as in "delete the file", just removing the image from the article. We can make a Commons gallery of anything that doesn't fit, and link that.) Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:16, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I have made some minor changes. I agree with replacing the Quadrille image, but I don't see why you removed the Darwin-monkey/bustle image, since it provides an excellent contrast with the Gilbert Darwin/monkey image. I do not think that more than two of the Flint images should go in the article. Maybe you could put one of them in the Gilbert and Sullivan article instead. I also don't think we should have image galleries in the opera articles. The articles are about operas, not about artists or artworks. You could add the gallery to Flint's article. BTW, what does the introduction say? -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:07, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Maybe we could have an article on the book? That would be a sensible place for the galleries. As for what it says, I'll quote it soon on the talk page(s). =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:51, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
OK with me, if you think people would accept its notability. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:03, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
As for the Darwin/Monkey image: It's probably original research. It's two years after the original play, and I'm a little worried people might take it as being identified as the inspiration. In any case, we shouldn't invite comparison with it if we don't have a source making the comparison.
I'm kind of tempted to just put in the "Walls and fences scaling" image there from Flint. It fits in with the Gilbertian Invasion plot Stedman discusses, and puts us on safer ground by Wikipedia rules.
Also, and this may be a personal bias: I'm rather more in favour of larger images, presuming equal merit, particularly for the first image in an article. I don't want to remove all small images - I would certainly fight, for example, for the first "Gently, gently" image (though O wouldn't mind if the photographic "Gently, Gently" was removed - it's cut off at the top, and we have a lot of good photos in the article. In addition, I'm a little worried about the "circa 1920": 1923 or later and we're not allowed to use it, so I'd prefer a lot firmer of a date... and I think I've just talked myself into removing that one.) Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:34, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

[left]While it's good it's theoretically available, given we have a notable Gently, Gently image, and a much better photograph with Oldham in the article (which we don't currently identify the people in, but easily could), I don't think it's particularly worth keeping, particularly given it cuts off the top of the head. I say it should go; we don't need to use every photograph, and I've been working hard to get a number of Ida illustrations, not just the Flint. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to disagree, but I prefer the photo of the three boys. It is much more dynamic, it has a better aspect ratio, and it shows their faces much better. Also, neither of the two women are notable. so if we need to lose one of these, lets lose the quintet. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

As for Savoy Operas (book), I think we can get enough notability for it. All we need is a few reviews, really, and, given it's in Gilbert's lifetime, and has a foreword by him, I'm sure one of the biographies must mention it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:47, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Finally, let's talk image theory. The images in an article should, in my opinion:

  • Be varied. We don't want all photographs, for example, and nor do we want no photographs.
  • Illustrate as many major scenes in the opera as possible. We don't want to have a dozen "Gently, gently" scenes, and leave out other ones. This is probably where Flint is going to be strongest.
  • Emphasize content from the original productions.

At the moment, we have 4 images from the 1920s, which I think is too much - they're taking focus away from the original production photos. I'd like to trim them down a bit, and Gently, Gently seems the obvious one to go. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree that we want the images to be varied. That's why we don't need more than one or two illustrations by the same illustrator. I disagree that we want to illustrate "as many scenes in the opera" as possible. On the contrary, we want to illustrate as many "important things about the opera" as possible. I also am not sure about your third bullet point. Certainly we want to represent the original production. As I said above, if you think it will help the balance, we could lose the image of the quintet, I think. Or, if you really love Flint's "Gently, Gently"/invasion image, use it instead of one of the other Flints you already have, and I'll yield on the Oldham photo. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
The quintet image shows five actors to the Gently, Gently's 3. And we don't have a picture for the quintet. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:20, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
As I indicated above, I think that the fact that it shows five actors (among the other factors noted) makes it a weaker image, in that it is harder to see each face. But you did not address any of my statements, or the compromise I offered, in the paragraph above. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:56, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Long story short, I'm rethinking the Flints. Some are better than others, and I'm trying to choose the best for the article. See William Russell Flint
Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:53, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Need to find some good sources. The trouble is there aren't standard sources (that I know of) on art related to Gilbert and Sullivan, so I think it'll be a library trip and contemporary newspaper binge. Checking some 1908/1909 newspapers should, at least in theory, find reviews. I know Walbrook and Gayden Wren briefly mention the book, but not in enough detail. Offhand, I don't remember it in Stedman. I don't have Crowther's latest book, if you do, could you do a quick check for me? The drawings were finished by 1908, and the book published 1909. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

For the record, I think the best ones are 1, 2, 5, 6, and 8, with 1, 5, and 6 likely being the most useable. 3, 4 and 7, while not bad by any means, just don't showcase the opera's plot as well. 4 in particular - while a gorgeous painting - is a painting of insignificant background characters. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Gilbert's prefaceEdit

To save myself typing it up: has the foreword, by the way. I think you'll agree it's a good source for the four operas discussed. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:50, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I am skeptical of things that authors say about their own works, especially years after the fact. Although they may contain insights, they are often either self-serving or dulled and confused by the passage of the years. Here, you can see Gilbert lying about the reason that Russell did not play Ida. In any event, we certainly don't care about what Gilbert says about Mattie Reinhardt, although this might be of interest in The Princess (play). The rest of what Gilbert writes here seems to be more or less filler. What do you see of interest in it? -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:06, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I would say his statements about it suffering from lack of Sullivan were at least worth quoting, don't you think? And his description of casting everyone as women wouldn't hurt. I think that the author's own statements - when not wildly against common opinion - add a bit of weight. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
No. I think his statements about The Princess suffering from a lack of Sullivan's music are a) stating the obvious, and b) merely an attempt to say something gracious about his former collaborator. The fact that Gilbert's burlesques, including The Princess (play), had trouser roles, should be described in more detail in The Princess (that is a fairly bare bones article at present). While it is of interest that G&S no longer used trouser roles after Thespis, I do not think that Gilbert's preface explains that adequately. We do explain this in some of our articles on the Gilbert burlesques. See, e.g., La Vivandière (Gilbert). I do think that it is marginally interesting that in The Princess Gilbert says (if you believe him) that he chose "slight" ladies to play the 3 hulking brothers. But, again, that belongs in The Princess, if anywhere. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:24, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: The King and IEdit

This is a note to let the main editors of The King and I know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on February 25, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 25, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

The King and I is a musical by the team of composer Richard Rodgers and dramatist Oscar Hammerstein II. It is based on the 1944 novel Anna and the King of Siam by Margaret Landon, which derives from the memoirs of Anna Leonowens, governess to the children of King Mongkut of Siam in the early 1860s. The musical relates the experiences of Anna, a British schoolteacher hired as part of the King's drive to modernize his country. The relationship between them is marked by conflict through much of the piece, and a love that neither can admit. Rodgers and Hammerstein wrote it at the suggestion of theatrical attorney Fanny Holtzmann who was looking for a part for her client, Gertrude Lawrence. The musical premiered in March 1951 at Broadway's St. James Theatre, Yul Brynner playing the King, and ran nearly three years. It was an immediate hit, winning Tony Awards for Best Musical, and Best Actress and Best Featured Actor awards for Lawrence and Brynner (pictured). A hit London run and U.S. national tour followed, together with a 1956 film for which Brynner won an Academy Award. Both professional and amateur revivals of The King and I continue to be staged regularly throughout the English-speaking world. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Next operaEdit

Any preference to which opera I do the Flint images for next? This volume contains Patience, Pirates, and Yeomen. Note that there is not one for the Major-General's Song, which is unfortunate, since it would be nice to add an illustration to that page.

Whatever we do next, though, I'm going to need some help from you narrowing it down to two or three images for the opera articles. I'd suggest we lose the Yeomen Picture Book images, but, as you may know, I'm very, very prejudiced against badly reproduced images, and the blue tinting, poor crop, and low resolution calls out "Replace me!" to an extent that may be beyond what is reasonable. I wonder if I can find a copy? Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:02, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, since you were in the middle of working on Pirates a few months ago, how about that? -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Sure. And sorry about that - the person started reviewing right around when I got so busy I was struggling to do anything on Wikipedia. You may have noticed I disappeared for a couple months after that. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate that, but like I said before, I would urge you (or anyone), to do the work before nominating something. Then, you don't have to scramble at the last minute. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Ssilvers!Edit

I hope this finds you well. The end of last semester was pretty chaotic, and now, finally, I have an opportunity to write and say thank you -- wholeheartedly -– for all of the help, support, and advice you offered my students on the Wikipedia project last semester!

In their reflection papers at the end of the term, my students cited YOU as the key reason why they accomplished what they did. You made all the difference to them, and since I myself am a new member of the Wikipedia community, I am extremely grateful to you as well. I know you provide this guidance out of the goodness of your heart and your intense belief in the value of free knowledge, and so gratitude is (probably) the only renumeration you receive for your vast investments of time and energy. Please know that you have my deep gratitude!

I have the same eight students as in the fall, and many are quite excited to have another opportunity to work on a Wikipedia article. Of course, we would be thrilled if you are interested in serving as the Online Ambassador for the course again – but I understand if you need to share your talents with others in the next few months. Whatever you decide, I thank you sincerely for everything you offered us last fall! All best wishes, Amy E Hughes (talk) 15:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


Not to get to Ho Yi. Am having an arm issue.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia blog posting on the Feb 1 Edit-a-ThonEdit

Hi, Ssilvers, here is the blog posting in which you are mentioned as an awesome mentor on Wikipedia: Kudos to you! And thank you for all your help! Scogdill (talk) 21:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, and Happy Editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:00, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Oddly phrased categoryEdit

Drawing your attention to this. A similar edit was made to Pipe Dream (musical). Hoping all is well.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:15, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Nommed. here.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:41, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Your thoughts on Blethering Scot's proposal? Someone would still have to take 150 or so articles out of the category. Almost simpler to delete and start over.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)


Please send me the editing links we discussed. Rumayor1 (talk) 19:53, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Nellie StewartEdit

Hi Ssilvers. Just catching-up with messages. Thanks for the tip. I actually only added one reference to the list - the Van Stratten web page link. The other references were already in the article, I tidied them up for consistent style. I too was wondering where in the article they were used... the original author's work may have been edited out (not by me!) so there is no obvious reference connection. If I get a chance I'll work through earlier versions of the page to see if any links can be established. Roger Garland (talk) 05:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Big Fish, Little FishEdit

You suggested a new article for the Tony-winning production of Big Fish, Little Fish, and I've run one up. I'd be glad if you'd cast an eye over it. ... Grateful for your thoughts. Tim riley (talk) 15:09, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:GLAM/Guggenheim MuseumEdit

Thanks for your comment on my page. I just did a training at the Guggenheim Museum with people from the library and archives, external affairs, and curatorial. They are getting a GLAM project started and members of these 3 departments will probably be editing more seriously starting now. They will be assembling their own list of articles to be added. Your recommendations for the GLAM page are appreciated. I would recommend contacting the users contributing to that page if you want to help with their project as they are planning to use the GLAM page to organize their staff editing project. Email me at if you want as well. OR drohowa (talk) 20:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

question re: GuggenheimEdit

and your edit here. I don't see anything wrong with that info. It has been reported in a reliable secondary source: Guadalajara (which also has its own article) and Abu Dhabi. Was there another issue you had with the content? Happy to revisit it, but I think the content should be in the article. Thanks! StarM 03:46, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, a paragraph called "cancelled projects" begs the question: Why do we care about this cancelled project? The institution had a project and did not proceed with it; this is par for the course of any large institution – they do not proceed with all of their proposed projects. It seems doubtful that this content is of encyclopedic interest (Note that the article already says: "" Other projects in Rio de Janeiro, Vilnius, Salzburg, Guadalajara and Taichung were considered but not completed."). On the face of it, it seems gratuitous to bring up this old issue, unless it has an important bearing on the institution as it exists. For example, if the project caused the expenditure of tens of millions of dollars and caused the museum to have a financial crisis, or if it caused huge turmoil at the institution, like the resignation of multiple Board members, or something like that, perhaps our readers need to know about it. But just to say that they had a proposal, they had designs drawn up, they delayed the start of the project and ultimately abandoned it, and the project "would have been" a big deal ... so what? It wasn't built, and it isn't a big deal. If the point of the edit is to put forward some kind of legitimate and important criticism of the institution, what is that criticism? -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Gotcha. I think I was confused by your cititng of WP:V when it isn't a question of verifiability. I think it begs a different question about whether this article should be about the Foundation or the NYC museum(s) or both. I'd missed the other reference to Guadalajara, so I think that's fine. I think the Abu Dhabi project is notable for the challenges a major museum (or two if you count the Louvre) are going through in a major new market. The Louvre and Guggenheim are having interesting issues there. There's significant coverage that makes it notable and large enough for an article (Guggenheim Abu Dhabi). Would you have an objection to a see also that includes these two? Maybe move the Other projects.... content there? StarM 01:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't understand your last two questions. Could you clarify? which two? move where? -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Maybe near the bottom, similar to a see also, a list of "current and former planned museum sites" and include Guadalajara (with link if it survives AfD), Abu Dhabi, Taichung, etc. that you referenced above? Seems a way of recognizing them without giving them undue attention? StarM 03:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
I think the narrative sentence that is already there is good the way it is. I would not want to add a list. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:42, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Big Fish, Little Fish (play)Edit

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

re Jenny LindEdit

Hi Ssilvers. Say, regarding this, my take on stuff like this is:

  1. It's very likely to be true. It would be very unsurprising if there was a statue of Jenny Lind in Stockholm; in fact, it might be more surprising if there isn't.
  2. It's not the sort of thing that a vandal would write, probably.
  3. It's possible the person got it wrong, but of all the things that people are likely to just be mistaken about, this doesn't seem to be to be the the sort of thing a person is particularly more likely to be mistaken about than anything else.
  4. If there is a statue of Jenny Lind in Stockholm it ought be fairly easy to demonstrate this, since statues are large and people notice them. So it's not a really esoteric piece of information that it might be very hard to find find refs for and we'll probably never find out if it's true or not.

As a matter of fact, there is a statue of Jenny Lind in Stockholm, so I restored the material with refs. However, of all the things that need to be ref'd here, I didn't see that as particularly pressing. That section is quite peppered with refs, but even so these assertions are unref'd: "The 1996 and 2006 issues of the Swedish 50-krona banknote bear a portrait of Lind on the front" and "In 1941 Ilse Werner starred as Lind in the German-language film Schwedische Nachtigall" and "objects... named for Lind [include] the USS Nightingale" and "She has been honoured since 1948 by the Barnum Festival, which takes place each June and July in Bridgeport, Connecticut" and some others.

Certainly if we were to take the approach "All things that are not ref'd, that are less likely to be true than 'there is a statue of Jenny Lind in Stockholm', must be removed" we would certainly have to remove a lot of our material, more than 75% I'd guess. So my approach to stuff like this which is probably true and not contentious and not really especially important to get right (and if I don't want to get the refs myself) is to at most tag it and wait a few years and see if someone ref's it. I don't see the advantage of deleting stuff like this. Herostratus (talk) 09:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Hero. I am not sure that this piece of trivia is really of encyclopedic interest in the article. I take the approach that if you want to ADD stuff, it should be referenced, although I also agree with your approach to tag new material that is likely true, and I would have done so if I had been convinced by the original edit that this factoid was of importance. Nevertheless, thanks for doing the research -- since the information is now referenced, I have less of an objection to it, although your referencing style is inconsistent with the referencing style used throughout the article (see WP:CITEVAR). -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:05, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Right, if it's trivial that's a different kettle of fish. OK, I get it, if something is (borderline) trivial and it's unref'd that's a fair reason to dump it. That's reasonable.
Huh, had never heard of WP:CITEVAR. I had always thought that using the {{cite}} templates was the correct way and other ways were just wrong, rather than just an equally valid alternative. WP:CITEVAR specifically says that putting the body of the refs inline in the article is as valid as using <ref> tags, and implies that bare URLs are as valid as providing information about the ref (publication, date, title, etc). Hmmm. Using parenthetical style on the first two paras of the section gives us:
Under the name "Jenny Lind-Goldschmidt", she is commemorated in Poets' Corner, Westminster Abbey, London. Among those present at the memorial's unveiling ceremony on 20 April 1894 were Goldschmidt, members of the Royal Family, Sullivan, Sir George Grove and representatives of some of the charities supported by Lind.("Jenny Lind Memorial", The Times, 21 April 1894, p. 14) There is also a plaque commemorating Lind in The Boltons, Kensington, London(The plaque can be seen here) and a Blue Plaque at 189 Old Brompton Road, London, SW7, which was erected in 1909.("Blue Plaques". English Heritage, accessed 16 June 2011)
Lind has been commemorated in music, on screen, and even on banknotes. Both the 1996 and 2006 issues of the Swedish 50-krona banknote bear a portrait of Lind on the front. Many artistic works have honoured or featured her. Anton Wallerstein composed the "Jenny Lind Polka" around 1850.("Jenny Lind Polka", British Library integrated catalogue, accessed 16 June 2011) In the 1930 Hollywood film A Lady's Morals, Grace Moore starred as Lind, with Wallace Beery as Barnum.(The New York Times, "A Lady's Morals a.k.a Jenny Lind" and Mordant Hall, "The Swedish Nightingale," The New York Times, 8 November 1930.) In 1941 Ilse Werner starred as Lind in the German-language film Schwedische Nachtigall, with Joachim Gottschalk as Hans Christian Andersen. In 2001, a semi-biographical film about Andersen featured Flora Montgomery as Lind. In January 2005, Elvis Costello announced that he was writing an opera about her, called The Secret Arias with some lyrics by Andersen.(Watson, Joanne. "The Secret Arias, Opera House, Copenhagen", The Independent, 11 October 2005) A 2010 BBC television documentary "Chopin – The Women Behind the Music" includes discussion of Chopin's last years, during which Lind "so affected" the composer.(Rhodes, James. "Chopin – The Women Behind The Music", BBC Four, BBC Programme info, 15 October 2010)
Nah. That doesn't work for me, since it makes the article very difficult to read, and if I find that sort of thing, I'm going to change it and I can't do that but I'm adding a ref I'm certainly not going to put it inline like that. So it's a silly rule. Herostratus (talk) 19:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Your comments raise a couple of points. First, you seem to be confusing "inline" citations with parenthetical cites (WP:PAREN), which neither you nor I use. You and I both use ref tags, as do most experienced editors here. Secondly, it is clear that the {{cite}} templates are not required. Some editors like them, because they provide a checklist for what information might go in a citation. Note that, for book sources, the article does use the {{cite books}} template in the Sources and Further Reading sections at the bottom, and uses short-form references to books in the text above, as is done in many, if not most WP:Featured Articles. But the other refs do not use the templates, and simply provide the relevant information per WP:CITE, using the following format: Author, Title (linked to url where available), Publisher, Date, Accessdate. Thirdly, WP:CITEVAR says simply that: Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference ... or without first seeking consensus for the change. If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it; if you believe it is inappropriate for the needs of the article, seek consensus for a change on the talk page ... [U]nless there is consensus to change, defer to the style used by the first major contributor....
To be avoided:
  • ... Adding citation templates to an article that already uses a consistent system without templates.... -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Oh, OK. Hunh. Was not familiar with all that stuff. I'd always figured that the {{cite}} templates were useful for machine-parsing the data in the ref which has various virtues including error-catching (won't let you accidentally omit a title, use an illegal ISBN number, and so forth), and for that reason superior. Reading thru it's clear that that that's not true, and pretty much any format you like is OK as long as you include the needed info.
Since it's a lot easier to just write a text string and we don't have a preference, I might stop using the {{cite}} templates in new articles. I'm used to doing it though so maybe not.
There is a problem in that if you're adding the same citation to several articles you'd have to check the format used in each article and format them differently, depending. It's not clear to me why citations in an article have to use the same format. I don't see much gain and it sort of looks to me like pettifogging hobgoblinery (which you do see from time to time), so I'm not going to worry about it too much. I will avoid changing existing refs I come across though, and thanks for the heads-up on that. Herostratus (talk) 13:20, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks again for the research and for your patience with this discussion, and happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:17, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Tarzan (musical)Edit

Both the article and infobox list lots of regional productions. Not sure what to do -- am alerting you, MarnetteD, and maybe another. Please take any necessary action, if you would. Thanks. :) Softlavender (talk) 08:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the fixes!! Thanks for putting in time for that. I think one problem with the cast album infobox is that it's pushing down the subsequent header and creating a lot of white space (at least on my screen). I don't know what the Musical Theatre style guide policy is on album infoboxes within musical articles. One solution I came up with on the film The Departed was to nix the image of the album cover (which by the way in Tarzan's case is exactly the same as the poster, so it's redundant already!). Might you try that? Or I can do it later when I have a moment. Thanks again, good to see you. :) Softlavender (talk) 21:41, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Cast Album infobox: There are a few issues/options. Also, we might want to move this discussion to the article's Talk page so others can opine. Feel free to move all of my comments there. Anyway, one issue is that the album is (a charting!) part of a succession list of Phil Collins' albums. For that reason it could be nice to keep the box; or to create and article solely about the album and move all the info and text there, retaining some brief mention of it (that it debuted as #3 or whatever). Another option is to remove the redundant cover image as I mentioned. If we do that, we should move the infobox below to the cast album section. The last issue I want to mention is that the article is fairly long and could possibly do with retaining the graphic of the infobox, even without the cover image. Softlavender (talk) 21:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Copyeditor's Barnstar
To dear Ss, once again, thank you for the wonderful copy editing on George Robey on the eve of his PR. Your efforts are very much appreciated. Cassiantotalk 17:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
You're very welcome! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

"Nearer, My God, to Thee"Edit

Are you sure that Lowell Mason's tune BETHANY has yet to make such serious inroads into the British repertoire as to threaten the indigenous British tunes? Compare, in reverse, the way in which—on "Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah/Redeemer"—CWM RHONDDA has virtually driven ZION out of American churches. Rammer (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

This statement is supported by a source from 1898 (a long time ago):

In the United Kingdom, the hymn is usually associated with the 1861 hymn tune "Horbury" by John Bacchus Dykes, named for a village near Wakefield, England, where Dykes had found "peace and comfort". -- Rammer (talk) 05:38, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Do you have a more recent source that states which tune is the most popular in Britain in recent decades? -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:07, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Ian Bradley in the Daily Telegraph Book of Hymns as of 2006 indicates HORBURY as the dominant tune in the U.K. (with the others in the WP article as alternatives) and BETHANY as the sole tune in the U.S., but I will try to do more checking on the British situation with an informed source on the scene. Rammer (talk) 23:16, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. What page does he say that on? -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:35, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Bradley, Ian (2006). Daily Telegraph book of hymns. London: Bloomsbury Academic. p. 294. ISBN-10 = 0826482821, ISBN-13 = 978-0826482822. That's the paperback edition. The hardbound edition was published in 2005. Here's a quotation from Bradley on p. 294:
Perhaps the best-known tune for the hymn, at least in Britain, is Horbury, which John Bacchus Dykes (1823-76) wrote for the first edition of Hymns Ancient and Modern in 1861. He named it after the town in Yorkshire which he had visited two years earlier to make his first confession. In the USA the tune most often used has been Bethany, which was composed in 1856 by Dr Lowell Mason (1792-1872), a bank clerk from Savannah who founded the Boston Academy of Music.
Rammer (talk) 02:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I added the ref to the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014 GA ThanksEdit

Thank you for your editorial contributions to Kinky Boots (musical).

.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:16, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Harry WarrenEdit

I'm not quite following your deletion of of the songs "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" and "Serenade in Blue" from the lead in the Harry Warren bio along with the comment "These don't belong here." Why not? While the lead shouldn't list everything that Warren wrote, I don't it was "out of control" as I left it. By the way, The New York Times listed both of those songs, among others, in its lead of Warren's obituary: [3]. (Posted by User:Badmintonhist on April 17, 2014)

Keeping lists short, especially in WP:LEADs, by listing only the most prominent examples, increases their effectiveness. If you disagree with the edit I made, begin a discussion on the article's Talk page, so that other readers can join in. See WP:BRD for more information. Also, please remember to sign your Talk page messages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:56, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

April 19 2014 Thank you!Edit

Re Mary Potter (painter) Thank you so much, your encouragement and work on the page is much appreciated! I did think earlier that it would be my first and last attempt to make a new page, but the support I have received helps.... I care because she has become neglected and I admire her work very much. Jasmine 51 (talk) 17:23, 19 April 2014 (UTC) 18.22 19 April — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasmine 51 (talkcontribs)

Eighth anniversary tomorrowEdit

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your eight years of superb research, top-notch writing and staunch comradeship I have great pleasure in awarding you this gong. – Tim riley (talk) 18:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Time flies when you're having fun! Thank you very much, TR, and thanks to Wikipedia for providing free information, in such a useful format, to curious people worldwide. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:23, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Barnstar of Diligence
Especially for your recent work saving Mary Potter (painter). Bearian (talk) 18:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for this kind message and the shiny barnstar! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Potter (painter)Edit

The DYK project (nominate) 14:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Lyndsie HollandEdit

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 22:22, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Punctuation reviewEdit

If you have the time and are so-inclined, I would appreciate any help that you are willing to offer at Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 22:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Nellie MelbaEdit

Dear Ssilvers: I have added back my changes to the article on Nellie Melba with references. I hadn't originally added them in the first place as they were so minor. I had thought the difference in value of the two offers was a useful nugget of information. -- John — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Prattley (talkcontribs) 22:23, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Quick question (b)Edit

The group adopted an experimental approach to composition with songs such as "With a Little Help from My Friends", "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and "A Day in the Life". Is a comma needed after with? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 15:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I'd say that it should be "in" instead of "with": "The group adopted an experimental approach to composition, IN songs such as..." -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
I agree and I've adopted your suggested language. I know that you are busy with other projects, but it would be really nice if you could find the time to at least do a punctuation review at the Sgt. Pepper article. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 16:18, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mrs Howard PaulEdit

Edward CarrickEdit

Very nice job on this article! Tim riley talk 20:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Frederick FedericiEdit

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:33, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Mabel Love/Robert LoraineEdit

When it's all said and done that's more than likely the scenario. When creating the Robert Loraine on wikipedia, sources kept mentioning 'Mabel Love'. There was no proof he was married to her but he was obviously 'involved' with her. Since the Wikipedia mentioned Love had a daughter called 'Mary Loraine'(even the surname spelling is the same as Robert's) but did not mention the father, then it's only logical, though, speculative that she had had a child by Loraine but wasn't married to him. It's not the kind thing that's bandied about with Victorian/Edwardian actresses trying to make a living. But out-of-wedlock births were common amongst actresses in the Victorian era; ie Lillie Langtry, Sarah Bernhardt. But since you've mentioned it I want to look into it. Can't promise I'll find more of an answer, but I'll let you know. Koplimek (talk) 15:27, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Ssilvers, this in-depth facebook bio on Robert Loraine reveals he was not the father of Mabel's daughter. Mabel gave birth to Mary in 1914 and when Mary married in 1948, it was to a man named Anthony Loraine. A coincidence in names but they were not related. You can read the info that was uncovered by the online writer at the bottom of the page[written in italics].

Flying With the Larks , - Koplimek (talk) 17:20, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ssilvers: I think the Facebook poster did his/her research accurately but you're correct, it is a blog of sorts. While I think its a reliable source, a WP:RS notice would be helpful but still a definite old theatre book like Burns Mantle or John Parker type publication would prove the issue. Its such a coincidence that Mabel would be involved with Robert Loraine then her daughter would marry a man named Loraine. Going over WW1 military death and records Loraine was a common name in the UK. But thanks for alerting me and Ill continue to look into Mabel, Robert and her daughter. Koplimek (talk) 21:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gilbert & Sullivan Opera CompanyEdit

Gatoclass (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Ridge BondEdit

Thanks for the help on the Ridge Bond article! Here's a Copy of Billboard from 1946 with a review of Oklahoma! that lists Bond as Curly:

Here is an article from the Oklahoman in 1993 w/ an interview with Bond that mentions that he was Keel's understudy, which would be why he was not billed in some cases during that time -

Here's a picture from 1948 with Ridge as Curly -

Let me know if you need more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redwulf82 (talkcontribs) 18:50, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:OUP accessEdit

Hello, WP:The Wikipedia Library has record of you being approved for access to Oxford University Press's humanities materials through the TWL partnership described at WP:OUP . You should have recieved a Wikipedia email from User:Nikkimaria several weeks ago with instructions for access, including a link to a form collecting information relevant to that access. Please find that email, and follow those instructions. If you were not approved, did not recieve the email, or are having some other concern or question, please respond to this message at Wikipedia talk:OUP/Approved. Thanks much, Sadads (talk) 22:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC) Note: You are receiving this message from an semi-automatically generated list. If you think you were incorrectly contacted, make sure to note that at Wikipedia talk:OUP/Approved.

Terry familyEdit

Once you're fully back in the Wikipedian swing, pray look in at User talk:SchroCat#This and that. I spoke to you of this briefly the other day and you were, I think, doubtful that the page was yet up to scratch. We can just leave it as it is or do some more work on at some point it with a view to upgrading it. Glad of your thoughts in due course – no hurry. – Tim riley talk 17:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

PR for the Wigan NightingaleEdit

Evening squire,

After the son came the father is all very much in the cart-before-the-horse territory, but the little clean up of the Formby Snr article got a little out of hand and turned into an overhaul. For better or worse, the Wigan Nightingale is now at PR for comments, criticism and complaints. If you have the time or the will I'd be delighted to hear your views, but I appreciate that your Wiki time may be limited. Pip pip – SchroCat (talk) 22:45, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for cleaning up the Forte Tenors article. Kdammers (talk) 11:24, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

The Film FoundationEdit

Hello from The Film Foundation. The Film Foundation (talk) 00:12, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Greetings! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:15, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time (play)Edit

If you have time, help me get The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time updated. I could use some help with the tables I just added.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:06, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I got your message. I am going to be going to bed in the next hour. So I won't be ecing you for some time. Thanks for helping out.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:19, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I spent a few hours on it and have done as much work on it as I can stand. Frustratingly, I cannot find a number of performances for either RNT or Apollo. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:33, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Another timely article to spruce up is Disgraced.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Philip Michael FaradayEdit

I noticed that you updated the Philip Michael Faraday wikipage [16:25, 27 August 2010 (Family)] with regard to his family. I am the grandchild of Thelma Faraday (one of Philip's children) and noticed with interest mention of Katharine Miriam as a Philip Michale Faraday child, of whom I and the remaining family were unaware. Would you have any sugestions about how we could verify this and perhaps establish contact? You cite a weblink [^ Fuller, Stephen Alan. "Family of Philip Michael Faraday and Elizabeth Mary Gale. The Family History of Stephen Alan Fuller, accessed 27 August 2010] but unfortunately the link seems to be down. Any help you could provide would be much appreciated. -- (talk) 18:58, 14 October 2014 (UTC)james baird (

Could you look at this?Edit

[This]. I admit it has been several years since I watched the movie in its entirety and I don't remember, nor is IMDB that helpful.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:20, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kate VaughanEdit

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello from JuliaEdit

HelloJulia324457 (talk) 01:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Vanya and Sonia and Masha and SpikeEdit

I need your advice on what performances to include in Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike. Now, every theatre that does the play is getting added and I am not sure what to exclude.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:39, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Kinky bootsEdit

Could you take a look at this edit.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:24, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Not only is this unencyclopedic and full of WP:PEACOCK words, but I'll bet that it is a cut and paste from the show's website or other copyrighted promotional material. -- 20:19, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Colleen BallingerEdit

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

'A belated welcome.'Edit

Thanks for 'A belated welcome'. Not all edits on this ip address are mine, but your kind words appreciated. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:43, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Adoption requestEdit

Please adopt me! -- StarsCrying (talk) 23:02, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

What is my Watchlist? -- StarsCrying (talk) 23:18, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Now what about my sandbox? I clicked on the link and edited it, but I can't figure out how to edit it after the first edit. What happened??????

StarsCrying (talk) 18:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Adoption RequestEdit

Hello Ssilvers, Would you adopt me please? I saw your interest in the Theater and thought perhaps you would be able to help me write an article. I am a total beginner. I hope to hear from you. Thank-you for your consideration. -- Reelperson (talk) 21:04, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I will. Thank-you! -- Reelperson (talk) 21:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Copyeditor's Barnstar
For all your work on John Barrymore, which really was above and beyond the call of duty, I am extremely grateful! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to your sterling efforts, I've now opened a peer review for further comment. Thanks again! - SchroCat (talk) 11:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, SchroCat, for this shiny barnstar! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:36, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Harry Warren SongsEdit

Hi Ssilvers ~ thanks for your kind invitation to work on articles for various Warren songs. In gathering lists and reviewing all that is on Wikipedia presently I have compiled a shortened list of standard songs that are in the Great American Songbook repertoire; songs which have unique, notable stories behind their creations and are considered his "Classics". Please find the list below. I would love to hear your take on these titles. Also, I noticed that the piano vignettes of Warren are not included in the Article. He wrote dozens throughout his lifetime and can be found on several recordings. I think I will add a short one-line contribution stating such in the section: Last Years if that is okay.

  • Beside a Waterfall, Coffee Time, Dames, Don’t Give Up the Ship, Getting Out of Town, I Know Now, I Wanna Be a Dancin’ Man, I’m Going Shoppin’ With You, I’ve Got to Sing a Torch Song, If You Feel Like Singing Sing, Keep Young and Beautiful, Go, Into Your Dance, Lulu's Back In Town, No Love, No Nothing, Remember My Forgotten Man, Song of the Marine, There's a Sunny Side to Every Situation, You're My Everything, Young and Healthy Maineartists (talk) 9:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

John BarrymoreEdit

Thank you for the Peer Review alert.Koplimek (talk) 15:25, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

External Links???Edit

Is it OK to use external links in your sandbox/user page if they are .edu, .gov, etc? StarsCrying (talk) 21:21, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Teahouse questionEdit

I saw this question at the Teahouse and thought you might have some good advice to offer since you have lots of experience in editing theatre articles. - Marchjuly (talk) 01:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Barrymore FACEdit

Hi Ssilvers, As always, many thanks for your work on the Barrymore PR; the article is now at FAC, should you wish to comment further. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Producer's Tony AwardsEdit

Thanks so much for your welcome! I've seen your edits everywhere, you rock. I did have a question, which is really quite a minor semantics issue that's actually less Wikipedia related and more Broadway related, but it bothered me a lot: how would you phrase the situation where the producers of the production receive the Tony for Best Musical/Play/Revival on behalf of the show? (or is it on behalf of themselves? I don't really know... does that replace the Best Producer award or does that concept just not exist anymore since the producers' roles have shifted?)

I ran into this problem while trying to flesh out and format the page I recently added to WP:MT, Brandon Victor Dixon, for whom his Tony win is one of his most notable attributes. I checked Hal Prince, Robert Fryer, and George Abbott (my idol) because they were the first producers of Tony Award winning shows I could think of, and none of their articles reference it in the same way. Also, they all have more notable content and have Tonys for directing and whatnot. So I just wrote what sounded best to me, but I'm not sure if my phrasing is accurate. Also, does that denote that I should put his page into the Tony Award winners category? Which category would be appropriate in this case, if any? On a side not, should the term "co-producer" be used to add specificity or does that just make the meaning ambiguous? Don't feel like you have to answer all of these, I just want to make sure there isn't some precedent determined by the Musical Theatre WikiProject that I was unaware of.

Sorry to be so long winded, but I am nothing if not thorough and obsessed with uniformity in semantics and formatting! Thanks in advance! ElfLady64 (talk) 23:10, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Museum of the History of Polish JewsEdit

I am afraid your change was incorrect, or at least premature "Polin" was added by the museum itself in Septemeber 2014 for marketing and historical reasons, but from legal point of view the name of the Museum has been the same since it was founded – Museum of the History of the Polish Jews. Nothing has changed in the official register, which you can check yourself on the website of the Ministry of Culture and National Heritage (see #2, last udate 15th December, 2014), responsible for the Register of Cultural Institutions in Poland, also a museum's co-founder. Also the name in the postal address remained the same for the time being. We could expect that this change will take place in the future, but this the the legal status now. Boston9 (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I disagree – the "legal" name does not control the article name. In English, the museum now calls itself POLIN Museum of the History of Polish Jews. So, that is the correct name of the article in the English Wikipedia, per WP:NAME. In the Polish Wikipedia, it can use the official Polish name on the register if you prefer. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:29, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!  

May 2014 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

All the best

Gavin / SchroCat (talk) 09:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, SchroCat! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:31, 19 December 2014 (UTC)


Many thanks once again for your thoughts on the John Barrymore article. Could I ask you to make one further visit to comment on the question of the inclusion of a family tree. Many thanks - SchroCat (talk) 10:11, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit to "Clifford Grey"Edit

Greetings and felicitations. I noticed that you effectively reverted my edit to the Clifford Grey article. I added my comment of "[sic?]" to indicate that the spelling "sub-genre" was likely in the original, though due to the paywall of the source, I am unable to confirm that. The correct spelling is "subgenre", without a hyphen, space, or accent on the "E" (all of which I've seen used). Would you please be so kind as to revert your edit?—DocWatson42 (talk) 07:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I do not believe that the hyphen is an error that justifies the use of "sic". Some mainstream newspapers use it. See, for example this. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!Edit

60px Happy Holidays!
Hi, Ssilvers! Have a happy and safe season, and a blessed new year!
Holiday cheers, --Discographer (talk) 18:31, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much, and very happy holidays to you, too! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:14, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Adoptee RequestEdit

Help ! I certainly need it ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NancyPants (talkcontribs) 06:50, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Teamwork Barnstar
For helping to edit and clean Brandi Glanville. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:12, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:31, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
I think you definitely deserve one of these for your tireless contribution to pruning the John Barrymore article and helping promote it to FA! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:31, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

ANI NoticeEdit

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding mention by User:Paul Barlow. The thread is Abuse of Talk Page ownership. Thank you. JoeSperrazza (talk) 22:44, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

If you had bothered to read my comments, you would have read the fact that I did not leave the "exact sane reference" on the footnote. I explained in detail that it was NOT the exact same reference, You wrote "I deleted his message from my Talk page with the edit summary "rm old message"". Yes, you did. This was a lie. You LIED. You have lied repeatedly. I've no doubt that your reponse will be simply to deletec this message too. But it will not alter the fact you you are a serial liar, and that I cannot trust anything you say. I raised the matter at ANI primarily to make public your lies. Paul B (talk) 00:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Please stop harassing me on my Talk page. I completely disagree. You *did* use the exact same reference, though you seem unable to grasp reality. Also, I did not lie: I had read the message, so it was old. You are just looking to pick fights with people. You admitted that your edit was OR, and now you admit that you initiated an ANI simply to harass me. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Paul, please drop the stick and focus on the encyclopedia content. We've established that even if it wasn't helpful towards you, Ssilvers was perfectly within their rights to remove your message from their talk page. Further debate on this will accomplish very little. Sam Walton (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Sam Walton. I have deleted, and reserve the right to continue to delete, attacks against me made by Paul Barlow on my Talk page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:34, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Marie LittonEdit

Harrias talk 00:02, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! This was my 175th DYK. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:22, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year!Edit

Dear Ssilvers,
HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions!
From a fellow editor,
--FWiW Bzuk (talk)

This message promotes WikiLove. Originally created by Nahnah4 (see "invisible note").

Thank you. Same to you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:22, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi. I was wondering if you could give this a read and copyedit. I'd normally ask User:Eric Corbett, but seeing the great job you did with Barrymore. It's really been researched as well as possible I think, it's comprehensive enough for FA but I think the prose needs a fair bit of work before it's ready for FAC. The history was quite difficult given that the book on Althorp itself lacks a detailed history in order and most other bits were gleaned from various sources. The history section I think might be the weakest because of this, there was a fair bit of material in the book on its collection/rooms etc. The lede needs a trim I think, feel free to edit it! I definitely think it would be worth promoting, it sort of represents the heart of British aristocracy doesn't it? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:49, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll add "The current building dates to 1688" to the lede. I do cover that in the architecture section, but there's not really many sources I can find which really discuss Althorp externally architecturally. Even Charles Spencer admitted it is bland and unremarkable and chose to focus on the interior. I can only go with the sources which exist. Presumably an original house was built around 1508 and replaced in 1688 but I can't find any mention of the original house in sources.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
There must be architectural records. Perhaps info is available at, say, the county historical society or local library. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:35, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
[Re: Duke of Marlboro and split of family prior to John Spencer]: Thanks, good point, I'll have to look into that one. A pity you can't continue though as the coverage of its rooms and pieces is its strongest asset I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Good luck! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:35, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Of course, don't want it to look like OR but until there's proof of an earlier house and demolition then it'll have to do, or should I just not say anything to avoid it looking like original research for the time being? It was something actually which struck me as odd when reading the Spencer book and researching it, very little on the 16th century background except that some trees were planted during the Elizabethan years for security purposes! I'd imagine Northampton library or the British Library might have records, perhaps Tim could find something next time he's there. My feeling was that even the current building needs a bit more on its exterior structure, even if bland, but most sources gush about its possessions and tend to exclude its architecture.♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

[left] Under "Etymology" you have: "A manor existed at Althorp in medieval times." So, you start with the proposition that there was a house there in 1086. Then:

  • We have a missing period of six centuries from 1086 until 1688 regarding what sort of buildings were there. Maybe there was NO manor house for part of the time, or more likely there was a series of manor houses over the centuries. Without any sources about them, speculating is entirely OR, and I wouldn't do it.
  • The plot thickens in the 15th century: "In 1469 John Spencer's uncle – also named John Spencer – had become feoffee (feudal lord) of Wormleighton in Warwickshire and a tenant at Althorp in Northamptonshire in 1486." What do you mean that he was a "tenant" at Althorp -- do you mean that he rented it from the Catesby family? Was he renting a house, or farmland, or what?
  • Next, the Spencers BUY the property in 1508. We (readers) really would like to know what they bought, and what kind of house (or buildings) were there at that time, if any.
  • Next, you say: "Charles I of England is documented to have visited Althorp during his reign. The drawing room was built and the main hall enlarged for the occasion...." So CLEARLY, there was a substantial house there in the early 17th century.
  • Finally, something happened in 1688: Either the old house was completely demolished and a new one built, or a new house was built that incorporated elements of the old one.

Get thee to the historical society and/or local library (or at least call them)! :D -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, well spotted, but remember that Althorp was more than just a country house, it was a village too, so when the Spencers bought the property in 1508 it would have been the land I think and then would have built a house. Obviously they didn't go 180 years year living in a tent :-) But something on the original house would be good of course!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:36, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


Answering your edit summary at The Merry Widow: adding the parameter |colwidth= when using the template {{reflist}} doesn't make any difference to any browser. It's just a gnomish, nerdy practice of avoiding unnamed parameters in favour of readable wiki text. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. In the case of reflist, no other parameters are generally used, so there is no confusion. Since, as you note, the parameter has no purpose other than clarity, for reflist it seems to me to be unhelpful and should not be added. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:27, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Carousel againEdit

Could you look this over please?--Wehwalt (talk) 12:33, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

LO at PREdit

We now have Laurence Olivier up for comments and suggestions at PR. Any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 20:32, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Jenny LindEdit

So I'm quite interested to hear why the infobox is redundant in this article. Perhaps you'd like to elucidate? Surely as a biography it should have an infobox, no? This is Paul (talk) 23:43, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia articles, including biographies, do not need infoboxes. Infoboxes should only be included where they are helpful, for example in sports or political bios. See WP:INFOBOXUSE and WP:DISINFOBOX. If the infobox contains only information that is more clearly or precisely stated in the Lead and elsewhere in the article, it is often harmful, because it often emphasizes material that is not the most important information about the person, and yet it is shoved in the reader's face at the top of the article as if it were more important than other information. Plus, the boxes tend to accumulate unnoticed errors and interfere with Lead images, among other problems. Obviously, there are WP editors who love infoboxes, but I would argue that they have grown used to them and have not really thought about what impact they have on the effectiveness of the article for the vast majority of readers who are not Wikipedians. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:06, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. Must confess I hadn't thought of the impact on non-WP readers looking at the page, but if I decide to work on this i'll definitely bear it in mind. This is Paul (talk) 14:49, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Your recent revision, Bernadette PetersEdit

Hi Ssilvers, I'm not good at this, however, Bernadette Peters was nominated for the 2012 Best Actress in a Musical by Drama Desk Award for her role as Sally Plummer in Follies (2011). I had just completed a revised edit summary when you rightly revised my edit after reading my silly first summary. I'll be more careful (and less impulsive) when summarizing my edits in the future. Can you please restore the addition of Follies to her "noted roles" or allow me to edit it again with the updated edit summary referencing her nomination? The nomination is listed here: Thanks for your patience, and for your help or reply, Mikebreakrun3 Mikebreakrun3 (talk) 07:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Mike. I disagree that Sally should be included in this list of roles for which Peters was "particularly noted" for the following reasons:
  • The revival of Follies was a limited run of five months.
  • For the other Broadway shows listed in the sentence, she *created* the first four roles, *won* a Tony and the DD award for Annie Get Your Gun and, for Gypsy, she was nominated for both the Tony and the DD, the album won the Grammy, and she performed in the role for more than a year.
  • Peters was nominated for 7 Tonys and 9 DD awards, so the nomination alone is not dispositive -- We don't list On the Town or The Goodbye Girl, for each of which she got a Tony nomination.
  • The shorter the list of roles for which she is "particularly noted", the more powerful the list is. The longer a list gets, the less likely people will read it and take it in. It is always a judgment call to draw that line, but I'd rather delete Gypsy than add Follies.
But if you are not persuaded, I suggest that you open a discussion on the article's Talk page, and solicit comments by other editors. It may be that other people will agree with you. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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Adoption RequestEdit

Hello, just wondering if you still open to adoption request? I can really use the help. Thank you Sonflower0210 (talk) 07:48, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello sorry to bother you again. I would like to ask your advise on something. Is it better to talk on my talkpage or here. Thank you :) Sonflower0210 (talk) 03:18, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Ariana Grande Twitter referenceEdit

Your recent undoing of my revisions on the Ariana Grande page regarding Twitter citations are not valid- the title of the Twitter posts are not "Twitter: Ariana Grande (verified account)", they should be "[Person's name] on Twitter: "[Tweet text]"; the title is supposed to be what the title of an article would be if it were written in that format. Also, the "quote=" section is supposed to be for quotes used in the article, not the text of the tweet itself. Thanks. ~Peter — Preceding undated comment added 23:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

That looks horrible to me, but at least you should trim off the emojis! -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:59, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
No, Peter, that's not the right format, I'm afraid. See Talk:Ariana Grande for the output of the coding to see the correct version. - SchroCat (talk) 05:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Schro! -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:03, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Musical Theatre WikiprojectEdit

Hi Ssilvers! I am working on the musical theatre Wikiproject for a class and wanted to reach out to some users also a part of the project. If there are any specific articles you can point me to that need some attention, please let me know! And if you have any advice for me as a new contributor to Wikipedia and general, that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! - Nap173 (talk) 19:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Done, on your Talk page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:28, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Jesus Christ Superstar productionsEdit

I just noticed that the material on various productions of this musical are massively spammy and most are unnecessary to mention, or at least not in such (often redlinked) detail. Care to give a measured look at it and trim where appropriate, or provide some guidelines for inclusion on its Talk page? (BTW, I'm talking about the body text, not the infobox.) If so, thanks! Softlavender (talk) 22:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the trim. Makes life easier. I may at some point look more closely at the legitimate pre-Broadway production and see if it merits some mention. But for now, vast improvement, thanks.   It also encouraged some further good edits. Cheers, Softlavender (talk) 21:58, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Adoption requestsEdit

User:Miner1212 would like to request for a "adoption" I am new at this. Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miner1212 (talkcontribs) 00:41, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

HI, can I get adopted by you? :) Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedBullMil (talkcontribs) 14:08, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


In case you fancy: Test your theatre knowledge: Musical by songs. Short -- just 10 Qs. If you don't fancy, no worries, just a lark. :-) Softlavender (talk) 00:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


Thankyou for the info. I was not aware of the anti-infobox sentiments. I had been adding infoboxes, since finding large articles were especially difficult to handle on small screen devices without an infobox. It would be good if a flag could be included in infoboxes to make them optionally vanish similar to the way Person data doesn't show when you aren't logged in. regards Richard Bruce Bradford (talk) 23:58, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Joshua David EvansEdit

Thank you so much for your work on this article, it means a lot to me, you are very kind! So sad article will be deleted! :( --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ) 16:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Adopt a newbie?Edit

Hello Ssilvers, I am new to Wiki but experienced as an editor/writer/researcher, and interested in the arts. (I've made all of two minor correx, to date.) Do you have time to help guide a newbie? I will be respectful of your time, as I can see you have been a prolific contributor. Mismanagingeditor (talk) 04:03, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

References in family tree templatesEdit

Thanks for the revert of a revert. You may be interested in Template talk:Inglis family tree#Unreferenced section -- PBS (talk) 09:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Llewellyn CadwaladrEdit

Thanks for your brilliant work on the article. I go to bed and when I wake up it's finished and is great. Jack1956 (talk) 16:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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The most recent Chicago production of Carousel is a limited-run production that stars Laura Osnes and Steven Pasquale. Most media professionals in theatre consider this as a major production. Source

I ask that this material be restored to the article without question, hesitation, or doubt.  dXterminator017 | (discuss)  20:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Please see the article's Talk page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:22, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

King and IEdit

Your edits look fine. I've bought a ticket for the Saturday matinee on June 13. I'll be in the area and so I won't have to spend for a NYC hotel. It will be the first time I've seen it live since Brynner's last show.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Italics for series titlesEdit

Given your recent contribution to the discussion regarding James Bond, I'm letting you know about a new discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Titles § Italics for series titles seeking clarification of the MOS to avoid further confusion. Please feel free to comment there. sroc 💬 19:43, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Jackie EvanchoEdit

I don't know why you can't keep it, especially because it isn't harmful in any way to the article. It is not like I just happened to see it online and wanted to put it into the article. The only thing it did was give credit to others including myself for playing with Jackie Evancho, and it's such a small edit that it should not be that big of a deal. I understand that you are trying to make the article better but I firmly believe that if it is true and if it isn't harming the article in any way, only helping it, then there should be no reason why it can't be on there. -- Mattwreich (talk) 16:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)Mattwreich

Hi. This list of performers does not belong in the Jackie Evancho article. It does harm the article by cluttering it up with tangential information. See Wp:NOT. The information belongs, if anywhere, in the article on Greater Bridgeport Youth Orchestras. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Llewellyn CadwaladrEdit

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You found an Adoptee!Edit

Hey Ssilvers! I am currently looking for any adopters willing to teach me on how to be a good Wikipedian! If you're willing to not adopt me, It's okay! But can you? I am having troubles with the rules, it seems I can't really understand them, but can you make them much more simplified? Thanks again.   CryOceD (talk) 17:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Special Barnstar
Thanks for the adoption and the help! I couldn't really understand what anything means without you! -- CryOceD (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Happy to help! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!Edit

  Thanks for your help at Studio Museum! Heathart (talk) 14:51, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Deprecated PersonDataEdit

Hi Ssilvers, you asked why, in the Michael William Balfe article, the PersonData have been removed. These data are considered deprecated, see Aklein62 (talk) 05:49, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Wodehouse, againEdit

Thank you so much for your comments at the recent PR for P.G. Wodehouse. The article is now at FAC should you wish to comment further. Many thanks once again. – SchroCat (talk) 01:06, 16 June 2015 (UTC)


hello, explain why not to link Dame to the Article , some people might not know what it means, so that is why it is highlighted, to take to explanation page also you can put MBE next to someone if they are order of British empire, Doris Hare — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:09, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Ruthie Ann MilesEdit


Hi! Thanks for the welcome. Maybe you can help me out: the American Antiquarian Society keeps getting referenced as a "notable case" of copyfraud. The current citation is out-of-date and misquoted. If people want to try to make the case that this small library is engaging in a notable case of copyfraud, that's fine, but they should at least use correct references that match the source, no? You want to help me out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:27, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

George M. CohanEdit

I'll undo it. But he's been categorized as a "singer-songwriter", which is not correct - that's how he made it into my CatScan. I'll undo that one, too. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:34, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Amazing Grace (musical)Edit

Just noticed this. It could use some help or attention, if you and/or Flami72 etc. wish to. I did a few things. Softlavender (talk) 08:04, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, great work as always. <snip> Softlavender (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Still adopting?Edit

I'd be interested to learn under you, if you're still adopting. Thanks. GoldenPeacock (talk)

George RobeyEdit

Thank you for your message about the image I had inserted that got reverted. I wasn't thinking about the fact that the article was already quite full, I just thought this image would be of interest. I appreciate the reminder to use the talk page for the article: I hadn't considered that. Best wishes, Uncommon fritillary (talk) 23:56, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I've tried fixing what I could at Commons-also left a note on the editor's talk page here with a link & suggestion to use the Commons Village Pump-copyright, when in doubt about what license to use. We hope (talk) 01:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

TFL notificationsEdit

Hi, Ssilvers. I'm just posting to let you know that Theatre productions of Dan Leno – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for September 4. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 21:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Theatre productions of Dan LenoEdit

Hello co-nom; per my talk, Giants2008 has just scheduled Dan for the main page on 4 September. --CassiantoTalk 21:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Michael RaynerEdit

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Jennie McNulty on requested infoEdit

Greetings Ssilvers, This was a stage name. Her real name was Mary McNulty, and she was from the U.S. I have been long researching for dates of birth and death, but have not located this info yet. As soon as I find some well sourced material on subject, I shall forward it to you. Thanks for all your help with the article. Best regards,Albiet (talk)Albiet

Thanks. I'll be happy to help with formatting, etc. when you find the sources. If you have access to a library, try the archive for The Times of London and also Lexis/Nexis. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Dan LenoEdit

I don't wish to suggest changes to this article on the talk page and there is no such requirement, per Wikipedia policy, that I do so. It is recommended but it is not LAW. I will edit articles as I choose unless you can provide a valid reason why I should not. You have not done so. The reasons you have given for reverting my edits, in the "reasons for reverting" box, are nonsense in my opinion and you have said nothing to persuade me otherwise. Mike Hayes (talk) 06:41, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

You seem to be posting on the wrong Talk page. I have not reverted any of your edits yet, although I see that at least two other experienced Wikipedians have, and I agree with them. Anyhow, I suggest that it would be better for all discussion to go on the article's Talk page, rather than user Talk pages. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:01, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


Looking for adoption I am a new editor and love to edit and want to learn from a pro. Ben7cullimore (talk) 06:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Jennie McNulty (new edits)Edit

Hi Ssilvers, I can see that you have done a lot of good additional work on the Jennie McNulty article. I haven’t been able to locate a date of birth or death for Mrs. Paulet either. I am forwarding my other research below in the hopes you may find it of some use during any of your future efforts to improve the Jennie McNulty article. I am curious, however, why you undid the interloping edit adding “(fl.c. 1895)” (flourished circa 1895)? The edit seems appropriate here. As I’m sure you are already aware, “fl. c.” is used standardly when both a biographical subject’s date of birth and a date of death are unknown. See Wikipedia articles Tadhg Olltach Ó an Cháinte, “fl. c. 1601”, Atticus (philosopher) “fl. c. 175)”, Samuel Watson (horologist), “fl. c. 1687 …”, Khakheperresenb “(fl. c. 1900 BC)”, Jeff Howell "… (fl. c. 1990)” and etc. I have used the abbreviation myself in one of my articles. Of course, unlike with the edit which you undid, there should be a space between “fl.” and “c.” Just curious.Albiet (talk)Albiet

Hi. I'm moving the info to the Jennie McNulty talk page. I am not persuaded that "fl. c." is appropriate on Wikipedia articles. All of the ones you mention are obscure, so I suspect that they have simply been overlooked, and none are WP:Featured Articles. Have you seen any guideline that says that this is appropriate on WP articles? It seems strange and unhelpful to me, and also is redundant, since we state, in the Lead, that her performances were around the end of the 19th century. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ssilvers, I thought that you might have considered "fl. c." redundant. I was just curious. I don't know about its acceptance in Wikipedia articles, but the abbreviated L. floruit (E. flourished) has been used standardly in print references, such as biographical dictionaries, for centuries. There is a Wikipedia article on subject. See article Floruit in Category:Latin words and phrases. Your best judgement. Again, I was just curious about your reasoning because you seem to be a very knowledgeable editor. Thanks for the answer. Best regardsAlbiet (talk)Albiet

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Copyeditor's Barnstar
Thank you for all your extraordinary efforts at improving the Jenny McNulty article and for the inordinate amount of your valuable time spent bettering this minor article. Albiet (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Barnstar of Diligence
You deserve 2 Barnstars at least. Albiet (talk) 18:41, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Question about a musical tour that was cancelled and never happenedEdit

Is this edit appropriate? You can answer here, I have your TP watchlisted. Or you can revert the edit with an explanation, if you disagree with it. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 22:35, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Definitely not. Reverted! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK and Classical Digital SongsEdit[0]=ts_chart_artistname%3A*Jackie%20Evancho*&f[1]=itm_field_chart_id%3A1094&f[2]=ss_bb_type%3Achart_item&type=2&artist=Jackie%20Evancho -- SJ (talk)

You're notableEdit

Hey, Ssilvers,
I was wondering if you had seen this article. You'll have to go to the bottom third to find your mention. Liz Read! Talk! 22:03, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz! I was glad to help with Newman's article, and it was fairly easy, because there were plenty of mainstream media articles about her. It's nice to get a great shout-out like this. All the best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:15, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Gema Switzerland GmbHEdit

Hi Ssilvers, I have updated the Gema Switzerland GmbH page. Can you please have a look and let me know if the message at the top can be removed? Thank you in advance. --PowderExperts (talk) 09:52, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
Thanks for your patience during the recent incident, and your civility in pointing out my errors. I do appreciate them. loupgarous (talk) 18:45, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Still hereEdit

Hi Ssilvers, In June 2013, you asked me to review South Pacific. I declined, citing a general weariness with reviewing. If you asked today for something similar, I'd probably say "yes". I've always enjoyed your work. Finetooth (talk) 20:34, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Eileen SharpEdit

Thank you for editing the article about my grandmother Eileen Sharp kindly started by Jack1956 :) I have a few excellent images from the Victoria&Albert Museum (playing the Fairy Queen in Iolanthe) would you be happy for me to try and post these or I could send them along to you if you advise how best I should do it. I love to use Wikipedia as a resource but am very unfamiliar with contributing so apologies if I am not getting the method quite right. There were also some fascinating illustrations of her which may be of interest, by the Swedish satirist Einar Nerman (best known for his portraits of Mae West and Ivor Novello). I'm not sure how you would source those but again I do have copies. Thank you Ilovevinyl (talk) 20:52, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you for your help with my grandmother Eileen Sharp Ilovevinyl (talk) 19:44, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello! Love your work on here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:58, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Eileen Sharp has been nominated for Did You KnowEdit

Award (belated)Edit

The Flaming Joel-wiki celebrates events in our collective consciousness as highlighted by the Übermuse Billy Joel in his great song We Didn't Start the Fire...and Ssilvers wins one with South Pacific...congrats. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:41, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Broadway and OolahEdit

  • Thanks for taking a look at The Oolah. I started Broadway Theatre (41st Street) earlier this week, it was a long overdue article (a rabbit hole that started with Browne's Chop House); wasn't sure if every first reference to it should say "demolished," but I can see that otherwise there will be confusion with the current one. Cheers.--Milowenthasspoken 13:46, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Eileen SharpEdit

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Seasons greetingsEdit

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!  

May 2016 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

All the best

Gavin / – SchroCat (talk) 16:14, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

File:Xmas Ornament.jpg To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:49, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Make sure to click on both pictures to see them full size Ssilvers as they will give you a chuckle. May your 2016 be full of joy and special times. MarnetteD|Talk 04:41, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

YouTube view counts roundingEdit

I noticed that you'd edited the Chandelier article so the view count was to the nearest 100m, and I'm wondering about doing a similar thing more generally.

I have probably been the most active updater of YouTube view counts across Wikipedia over the past twelve months. At the beginning of that time, only two videos had over a billion views and most counts (including these two videos) were rounded to the nearest 10 million. E.g. for Chandelier: 'the music video has received over 770 million views on YouTube, making it the twenty-first most viewed video of all time'. I have standardised it across all articles and usually kept it so that the top thirty music videos (i.e. the ones in List of most viewed YouTube videos) have a similarly phrased line in it, and updated it whenever the next 10 million views or change in ranking is reached. For an video like Chandelier, that corresponds to roughly a weekly update, though some would be every couple of days and some more like annually.

Now, fourteen videos have over a billion views with more to come, and I'm wondering if it's best to start rounding to two significant figures (e.g. 'over 1.2 billion views') rather than to the ten million. Or even to round to the hundred million generally. I agree that 'over 1.01 billion views' looks a little desperate, but think 'over 1.43 billion views' is a little less so.

The downside to rolling this out across all the articles is that lots of edits will be reversed by those who had got used to the old way. Or I can just keep it as 10m - when Chandelier reaches about 1.08 billion it won't look so weird.

Wikipedia's rounding policy has nothing specific to say on this - seems like it's a matter of taste. What do you think?

Tcamfield (talk) 13:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

GLAM/Pritzker and World War I musicEdit

Over at Wikipedia:GLAM/Pritzker, we are working on articles on World War I music as the Museum and Library recently received the World War I Hunter Collection which contains numerous sheet music scores. The Girl Behind the Gun (musical) currently redirects to Kissing Time which is an expanded version of the American musical from 1918. Please feel free to help us out by working on the article for The Girl Behind the Gun (musical) or its component songs which were also issued as popular sheet music, including The Girl Behind the Man Behind the Gun and Some Day Waiting Will End. TeriEmbrey (talk) 22:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!Edit

60px Happy Holidays!
Hi, Ssilvers! Have a happy and safe season, and a blessed new year!
Holiday cheers, --Discographer (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)


how did you edit Ariana Grande's if its protected? Arianagrandefan22 (talk) 00:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

If you wish to contribute constructively to this encyclopedia, please see this information. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:07, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Moon RiverEdit

If you have the time and inclination, can you help out on "Moon River"? It contains a random spammy coatrack of 110 people who have either sung or recorded the song, a coatrack which is only going to continue to be spammily added to over the years. I tried to remove it but was reverted. I just now posted a rationale on the talk page. Any assistance appreciated, thanks. Softlavender (talk) 04:22, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Internet Broadway DatabaseEdit

Remember this discussion (about the reliability of the IBDB)?-->[4]

And a belated Happy 2016 to you! Flami72 (talk) 21:11, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, thanks! Happy New Year! -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:31, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Ivor NovelloEdit

Hi Ssilvers,

As the Lord Protector of this article (its a real title, I promise you), I was thinking of pushing this for GA status as part of the upcoming competition Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon. It means adding, but would you be happy to support my efforts. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 21:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

I have a biography or two, plus other sources, I was just looking for a little support. Just point me in the right direction when I go off piste. Yours FruitMonkey (talk) 22:02, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I'll do my best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:04, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
You always do your best, you are an inspirational WPidean. Just be harsh if I stray. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:16, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
LOL! See you at the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:20, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


Actually, I did not know how to write them properly, which is why I always left the link. Thank you for demonstrating. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 11:23, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Misty CopelandEdit

I encourage you to continue to clean up the article. FYI, I have nominated it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Misty Copeland/archive1. Please stay involved and consider adding yourself as a co-nominator. The article will have a much better chance to achieve the proper level of stylistic excellence for promotion with your involvement and commitment.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Good luck with the article. I don't think it's anywhere near FA quality, but if you do the research, perhaps you can whip it into shape with the help of the FA commenters. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:33, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's worth mentioning in Copeland's article. It is blue-linked, and that sort of detail should be mentioned in the film's own article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:54, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Her book just arrived at my local branch. I just picked it up.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Good. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:31, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

George Bernard ShawEdit

I can't remember if you did or didn't express interest when I mentioned the overhaul of GBS's article, but if you happen to have both the inclination and the time, Brian B and I will be very glad of any comments you like to make at the peer review, opened today. Absolutely no obligation, and quite understand if you can't make it. Tim riley talk 17:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Jessie Rose has been nominated for Did You KnowEdit

 Hello, Ssilvers. Jessie Rose, an article you either created or to which you significantly contributed,has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know . You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot (talk!) 22:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I went ahead and did it anyway...Edit

Hi Ssilvers, I have recently been working on Walt Disney, which is now up for PR. Any thoughts or comments on his huge figure would be much appreciated. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 11:37, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Hair deletionEdit

Hi Ssilvers. I bow in your general direction for being a contributor without peer to Wikipedia. I note that you deleted an addition I made yesterday to the Hair (Musical) page pertaining to a recent run of Hair at Pace U in NYC. While I agree in principle that there have been thousands of productions staged, this was notable in that James Rado was directly involved in the production. Saheem Ali, the director, is also a recognized up and coming director with an impressive resume. The actors are pre-professionals and embarking on their careers. Having their names in a recognized source helps give them some "digital cred" when they are Googled. I have no interest in getting into an edit war, but on balance, I think the inclusion has merit and is interesting, if only to highlight Rado's continued contributions to the show, as well as the other reasons cited. Please re-consider your deletion. Thanks! (talk) 19:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)Martin

Hello, User: There have been thousands of long-running professional productions of Hair in dozens of countries with major productions employing numerous blue-linked creatives, actors and designers. Sorry, but I am not at all persuaded that Rado's dropping in on this short-lived semi-pro production makes it notable. See WP:BALASPS. Wikipedia is not a place to promote or advertise things; it is an encyclopedia that describes the most notable things that have happened in the world. See WP:PROMO. If you still disagree, you need to open a discussion on the article's Talk page, so that other users can participate in the discussion. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:50, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Jessie RoseEdit

 On 28 April 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jessie Rose, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jessie Rose started her career playing a variety of soprano roles, but later became the principal mezzo-soprano of the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jessie Rose. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jessie Rose), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)


In this edit here, could I ask that you consider rewriting it so it is clearer? As someone who is not intimate with the topic, it does not communicate a clear meaning to me. Also, I don't believe TorrentFreak qualifies as a WP:RS. Thanks for looking at it! ScrpIronIV 14:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Done. I also added more refs, although I do believe that TorrentFreak would qualify as a WP:RS as a music news site. You should read their article that I cited. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. It does help. ScrpIronIV 17:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Welcome messageEdit

Hey Ssilvers, I ran into your welcome message and like the wording, especially in the past paragraph. The fortune cookies are a nice touch. May I co-opt this for my own use? Airplaneman 22:50, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Of course you may, and thank you for the kind words! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:54, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

William TerrissEdit

I thank you for your help - it is hard for me to find information around, for instance I do not know if this is the best way to contact someone - I'd like help with the following: the reason I "tried" to include his [Terriss] first remunerated engagement was because of the following anecdote that I found interesting:

"In 1868 he obtained at the Prince of Wales Theatre, Birmingham, his first remunerated engagement (not a very lucrative one, I8j. per week) as "Chouser" in The Flying Scud.

In this he had a most important speech to deliver, which, in his nervousness, he forgot. He managed to blurt out, "Lady Woodbee has come to town"; and when told by a fellow-actor to go on with his part, he said, "and the rest," and retreated. From that day he was known among his comrades by the sobriquet, "The Rest." As you can see I am so new and still navigating the help pages - please help me if you can. 21:13, 12 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GinnevraDubois (talkcontribs) GinnevraDubois (talk) 22:59, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I did not add the source because my question was about adding quotes - I already posted the reference book (the Life of William Terriss by Smythe, page 31) - I am still not sure where should I post my questions. And I used the ~ signs before but apparently they did not show my signature. Thanks again. GinnevraDubois (talk) 22:59, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi, GinnevraDubois. You could say: According to Terriss's biographer Arthur Smythe, Terriss was so nervous that he forgot an important speech. "He managed to blurt out, 'Lady Woodbee has come to town'; and when told by a fellow-actor to go on with his part, he said, 'and the rest'". He was henceforth nicknamed "The Rest". But: (1) I am doubtful that Smythe is correct. All the sources I have seen say that Terriss was known as "Breezy Bill". (2) All actors have a story very much like this. I would leave it out. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:34, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Dorothy GillEdit

 On 17 October 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dorothy Gill, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the contralto Dorothy Gill was so popular during the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company's visit to New York in 1934 that American fans petitioned for her return? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dorothy Gill. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Dorothy Gill), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Philip PotterEdit

Just for your information, Philip potter was my grandfather so the information I had provided was in fact correct! He did sadly pass away last night 7/11/2016 Jack.waite (talk) 19:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for your loss! As soon as there is a published report in a reliable source, we will add the info. I met Philip several times in Buxton, England, and of course I have heard many of his recordings and seen him on film. He was a lovely man, as well as a wonderful performer! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:52, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Joey GraceffaEdit

Hello. I want to inform you that Daniel Preda is a notable partner as they have been dating for over 2 years. Moreover, Preda has a considerable following on social media and has appeared in numerous videos which have garnered millions of views. His omission from Gratceffa's inbox is unnecessary. Wizardofoz30 —Preceding undated comment added 20:41, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

User:Wizardofoz30, he is not a Notable person under Wikipedia guidelines. He can be mentioned down in the article, but it is not helpful to mention him in the Infobox. If they got married, that would be a better case for including him in the infobox. It is better to keep infoboxes a concise as possible. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Nearer, my God, to theeEdit

Hi, I noticed that you deleted my comment about the use of this music in the Soviet cinema. I am not sure what links I should provide, as all possible links will be in Russian, not in English. The best proof would be probably the film itself: you can hear the song at the 32nd minute. Regards, --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 00:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

User:Dmitri Lytov, you wrote: "In 1964 the melody was used in a Soviet feature movie The Chairman, where it is performed by paupers feigning blindness. Although anti-religious propaganda was quite common for the whole Soviet period, the use of a modern foreign religious melody translated for this occasion was an act of bravery of the film director." You have raised at least three issues. 1: If the whole song, or a very substantial part of it is sung (and not just a brief snippet), and there is a Russian-language review that states clearly that the song is sung in the film, then you may cite the Russian review. 2: You imply that the *purpose* for the use of the song in the film is pro-religious. What is your source to support that implication -- or, if that is not what you mean, then what do you mean? 3: You state that including the song is an act of bravery by the film's director (in 1964). What is your source for that assertion? Every fact that you allege must be supported. Please read our two relevant policies: WP:OR and WP:V. Thank you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Someday at Christmas (Jackie Evancho album)Edit

  Hello! Your submission of Someday at Christmas (Jackie Evancho album) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:15, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry MerryEdit

  Season's Greetings, Ssilvers!
At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD|Talk 02:13, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Season's Greetings to all, and to all a good edit! -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:45, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

  The Original Barnstar
Wishing you the best this holiday season. Quis separabit? 05:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm not sure what I did to deserve this, but Happy Holidays! -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

60px Happy Holidays!
Hi, Ssilvers! Have a happy and safe season, and a blessed new year!
Holiday cheers, --Discographer (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:04, 27 December 2016 (UTC)  

DYK for Someday at Christmas (Jackie Evancho album)Edit

 On 25 December 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Someday at Christmas (Jackie Evancho album), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jackie Evancho's 2016 album Someday at Christmas peaked at No. 1 on the Billboard Classical Albums chart? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Someday at Christmas (Jackie Evancho album). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Someday at Christmas (Jackie Evancho album)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

American Theater Hall of FameEdit

Copied from HesioneHushabye's Talk page: The information about this does not belong in the WP:LEAD sections of these actresses' articles. Please move it down to the Legacy or reputation sections, or somewhere near the end of the person's article. Also, the information should look like this: ____ is a member of the American Theater Hall of Fame.<ref>[ Members],, accessed December 26, 2016</ref> Thank you. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:04, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

I do not agree, you will find honors and awards in almost every prominent actresses lede. Cheers! HesioneHushabye (talk) 03:06, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
This is not an important honor like an Oscar. In fact it is trivia and hardly worth noting. Don't worry, I've fixed it now. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC) It actually is an important honor, your opinion is not important. HesioneHushabye (talk)

Hope you are having fun reverting all of my edits. If you have that much time on your hands, you could edit the information yourself. This is an important and prestigious honor that you are erasing from their articles. I will report you for vandalism. HesioneHushabye (talk)

Your adding this trivia to articles' WP:LEAD sections is inappropriate. I gave you a good alternative, which you rejected. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:16, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Well since you think the American Theater Hall of Fame is so un-important, you better nominate its page for deletion and remove it from everyone elses' pages as well. Wikipedia has a category just for its members, so you should probably delete that also. HesioneHushabye (talk)
You should read WP:LEAD. Also, check out WP:UNDUE. Tony and Olivier Awards, Oscars, Emmys, Grammys, Pulitzers, and Nobel Prizes are "important and prestigious". This "award" is not. I am not sure if this organization is really of encyclopedic notability. It might be. But that does not mean that the fact that it has "inducted" someone is of note on their article. For a barely notable person it might be, and also possibly for the original inductees, but for major names, it is not. One should not have an "all or nothing at all" attitude here on Wikipedia. Judgment and balance are needed. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:54, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Ariana Grande Associated ActsEdit

I attempted to add an associated acts section on Ariana Grande's page. I think it should be added because she's collaborated twice with Mac Miller and Nathan Sykes. Also, she's collaborated three times with Big Sean and Nicki Minaj. I've seen other artists have their own associated acts sections with artists they've collaborated more than once so in my opinion Ariana should have her own associated acts box on her page. Let me know what you think. Hotdoghotregui (talk) 18:03, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Hotdoghotregui, I disagree with the idea, at least for now. An "associated act" to me is like Lewis and Martin. Not just someone that you made a couple of songs with, but someone who is an *ongoing* and frequent collaborator. I'd say that it has to be someone who has made at least half a dozen songs with her (or maybe a dozen), on several of her albums. Certainly not Big Sean, as she will not collaborate with him again. Minaj, not now, but maybe in the future if she continues to collaborate with her on many/most of her projects. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Maddie Ziegler semi-protectionEdit

I noticed that the semi-protection on this article ran out 3 or 4 days ago, and since then there have been a noticeable uptick in vandalism / unconstructive editing on the article. Could I ask you to take a look at the recent edit history and see if you think semi-protection should be requested again. Thanks Sgcosh (talk) 02:58, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Jackie EvanchoEdit

I saw you removed my edits to Jackie Evancho's page about her sister Juliet. As you requested, I have started a discussion on her talk page. Feel free to add your thoughts. Thanks! Jgera5 (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, I have done so. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:19, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you for your kindness and patience during the editing process for the Trenyce article Aoba47 (talk) 01:58, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy to help! -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Park TheatreEdit

Good catch on my Park Theatre link error in the Julia Stewart (actress) article. The only other option would be a theatre known as 'The Park' (Broadway & 59th St.); however, it was known as 'Majestic' until 1911. [5] Unfortunately, the source I added to the article was published too soon (1880). I only ventured down this rabbit hole attempting to track down the "Julia Stuart" in Saved from the Titanic. I've already spent more time on this than available to me; hopefully, you can do something (or not). 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:51F3:8BF2:45BE:D2A4 (talk) 23:04, 2 March 2017 (UTC) -P.s.: this is a dynamic IP, which will change on next logon; please don't bother responding on that talk page

It can't be that Park Theatre, which was built later. I wouldn't worry about it. Theatres were named and renamed frequently, and the theatre district was still moving uptown at that point. It is likely that that theatre no longer exists. Someday, someone will do an article on Brother Sam, and then they might track down the theatre. Thanks for working on the Julias. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:56, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Good luck to you, (or whoever attempts to fill this hole in the historical record). --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:51F3:8BF2:45BE:D2A4 (talk) 02:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Frankie GrandeEdit

Hi Ssilvers, hope you're doing well. I think you may have misunderstood the spirit of my edit on Frankie Grande which you reverted. The see also edit was not to indicate that Grande was somehow active in the NYC gay scene (I don't know how many notable people are), but rather that he is an openly gay New Yorker (a prominent fact) who has contributed notably to the overall NYC scene (Style Code Live originates in NYC) and to overall U.S. culture. Would it be more acceptable to you to section-direct the see also link to LGBT culture in New York City#Self-identifying LGBTQ New Yorkers (piping it of course, for cosmetic appearance, i.e., LGBT culture in New York City)? Best, Castncoot (talk) 12:38, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, but I really don't think it's of encyclopedic value; in fact, I think it is detrimental. Probably 90% of male Broadway actors identify as gay. There must be thousands of notable people who are LGBTQ New Yorkers, but what makes them particularly relevant to LGBTQ "culture" in NYC? The fact that his style show is in NY and that he is an actor/host are all facts that are already amply covered in the article and categories. Adding a "see also" notation to the list article seems pointless and just added clutter. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:50, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for your thoughts on this. I'm sure you won't mind me adding the Category: LGBT people from New York then, as it is conspicuously missing. Best, Castncoot (talk) 06:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Mackenzie ZieglerEdit

Thanks for requesting page protection. I tried to do the same with Twinkle, but in the flurry of activity earlier I must have hit the back button before it was finished or something. Thanks again! EricEnfermero (Talk) 06:15, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with the page! -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:52, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Two Hearts (Jackie Evancho album)Edit

 On 30 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Two Hearts (Jackie Evancho album), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jackie Evancho is set to become the youngest performer ever at Café Carlyle when she performs songs from her new album Two Hearts in April? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Two Hearts (Jackie Evancho album). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Two Hearts (Jackie Evancho album)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:03, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

BRD procedureEdit

Sorry about that, won't happen again. L.R. Wormwood (talk) 16:16, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:21, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Ariana GrandeEdit

The addition (or exclusion) of a pp-template won't protect (or unprotect) a page, only it will be categorized it. {{pp-blp}} in this case will categorize it to a subcategory Category:Wikipedia indefinitely semi-protected biographies of living people, while your pp will unnecessarily add the page to aun upper category Category:Wikipedia pages semi-protected against vandalism. If you could remove it (for being redundant) it would be better. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 01:20, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Why is it unnecessary? After the explosion event is finished being reported, we will go back to the previous situation, where the vandalism protection is the only template. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:26, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

On the subject of Ariana Grande, I have now found the link to the article on the Manchester Arena explosion, and I just wished to say that I thank you for guiding me about where it could now be found. Many thanks for that. I could see that on this article's talkpage, a lot of discussion might go on for quite some time now - I know that Wikipedia is not Wikinews, but I find it is in some ways more comprehensive in its news coverage than is Wikinews. I think that it is probably because Wikipedia has a much higher Google search than wikinews. Once again, thnaks for your help with finding the wikilink. All the best, Vorbee (talk) 14:42, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for teaching the class today in the NYPL library on how to use and edit Wikipedia articles. The information was very helpful! (talk) 21:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)


dittos I really loved it and HOPE you will teach another class here, or somewhere else, please let me know where. Nasreddin2 (talk) 21:41, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

ScreenshotsEdit link to were i screen shot a photo, and edited it I also did that to another one here: I also did one for "mandy harvey"

I will not repeat what i just did with screen shots — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianWikilover (talkcontribs) 19:13, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


Hello, I am just wondering about a photo on Wikimedia. I am looking on adding a photo of "Terry Gillespie" to wikimedia. My friends took the photograph, and the person who the photograph is a encyclopedic subject, though he is a friend of mine (i'm working on his page right now). Would it be "out of place" to add that photo to the commons sincerely, CanadianWikilover — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianWikilover (talkcontribs) 03:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. The photographer should either add the photo to Wikipedia him or herself, or they could sign this consent letter and you can follow the process describe at WP:CONSENT. This is a complicated process, and you must follow it exactly. The simplest thing is for the photographer to upload it him or herself. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

He asked me to add it on there, is that ok? CanadianWikilover (talk) 04:13, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

No, you and he need to follow all the procedures exactly as described at WP:CONSENT, or people will delete it. Good job with your signature, though! -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:09, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Toby PriceEdit

Thank you so much for your help with contested copyright of image on Toby Price page, where someone wants to keep deleting the photo I took of the subject. -- GSmyth (talk) 21 June 2017

I followed your advice, and contested the deletion, but it seems my claim was ignored. It is frustrating that I am accused of copyright violation for photos that I have taken. As if I cannot give myself permission to use my own work! Do people get their jollies by removing other people's work from Wikipedia? Anyway, thanks again for trying to help. I just thought I would let you know what happened. -- GSmyth (talk) 21 June 2017

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Jackie Evancho, Awakening Tour.jpegEdit


A tag has been placed on File:Jackie Evancho, Awakening Tour.jpeg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a non-free file with a clearly invalid licensing tag; or it otherwise fails some part of the non-free content criteria. If you can find a valid tag that expresses why the file can be used under the fair use guidelines, please replace the current tag with that tag. If no such tag exists, please add the {{Non-free fair use}} tag, along with a brief explanation of why this constitutes fair use of the file. If the file has been deleted, you can re-upload it, but please ensure you place the correct tag on it.

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A Parisian ModelEdit

This is becoming a decent article with your work!; always have admired your great efforts in this area.--Milowenthasspoken 21:30, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

File source problem with File:BeautyofBath1.jpgEdit


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Hay FeverEdit

Firstly, the citations came from a news database, so it's not possible to provide the page numbers, but that doesn't make the citations any less acceptable — while page numbers should be provided when possible, they are not mandatory conditions that a citation has to meet to be valid in the first place: the mandatory conditions are title, publication name and date, and while additional information is encouraged whenever possible those three pieces of information are all that must be provided for a citation to be acceptable. And Wikipedia has no requirement to provide a direct URL to a web-published version of the content, either — that usually isn't even possible for sources that are over ten years old. Secondly, although it was mounted by real producers, the mere fact that notable newspapers deemed it newsworthy automatically means its notability is not up for any debate. Bearcat (talk) 05:36, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I disagree. If you got this from the internet, you need to disclose the url so that people can verify it. Also, the fact that two newspapers mentioned the production does not make it noteworthy. Newspapers often mention high school productions! -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:57, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not have a requirement that all sources require URLs by which readers can directly verify the content. We are allowed to cite print-only sources, such as books, paper or microfilm or OCR database copies of magazines or newspapers, and other sources which do not have web URLs to provide. We require that a source be reliable, but we are not restricted to web-published sources. And secondly, while it's true that local newspapers mention high school productions, the National Post is not a local newspaper — it's a national newspaper, which only covers news deemed to be of national interest and does not cover purely local-interest news in any community, such as high school theatre or high school sports or high school anything. Bearcat (talk) 16:51, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
IF a source does have, a url, however, you should provide it. You said that you found these sources on the web, so please tell us where. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
That's not what I said; I said I retrieved the sources from a subscription news database at the library. Bearcat (talk) 15:32, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
OK, at the library. I've sent a message to retired user Tim riley, who is a Noel Coward expert and asked him whether he thinks to production was of encyclopedic importance. My main problem is that I don't know how many performances were given at the Gravenhurst Opera House. BTW, did the library database give author name or page number information from the newspapers? -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:08, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

A voice from the tomb: we usually include West End and Broadway productions in lists of revivals, but unless there are compelling reasons to the contrary we don't single out any of the innumerable out-of-town, provincial or repertory productions. The family revival in question may be of encyclopaedic importance to the family article, if there is one, but is neither here nor there in relation to the Hay Fever article, me judice. Tim riley talk 18:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Original language issueEdit

Hi Ssilvers, I went through all the links you gave in Ballerina. Unfortunately they are all just about the topic, very little in terms of production and even there no talk about original language. People here want it English-language. I gave a link that says its original language was French, but it was removed. I guess people think it should be English, so Wikipedia states it's English and everyone else reflects this. The Tweet of Laurent Zeitoun clearly says it was both languages at the same time, so they worked it all in parallel, with parallel voice casts. Then in the Frech speaking world the French language was released (first) and in the English language world the English-language version was released soon thereafter. So there is the original French version and the original English version, bith produced in parallel. I won't argue any further on the article. If editors here feel it's a blemish to say it was produced in two languages, they might as well hide the information. Cheers. Hoverfish Talk 22:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I looked also at the French Wikipedia article. They have both casts, as it should be. I think the article here is just about the English version of the film, with a little note at the bottom of the Cast section that there is also a French version of the film that, well, came first. Why only under Cast this information? Go figure. Hoverfish Talk 23:44, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I think the article is just wrong. Please don't give up. Eventually, we will be able to get it corrected, when other editors join us. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:55, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
What I meant by "I won't argue" is that I'm not going to indulge in reverts. When I give a citation and it is removed, the local bias is only too obvious and I'm only one editor. If other editors care to interfere I will surely support them. I fail completely to understand the zeal of not wanting to state the French side, but hey, I have been working for a couple of months on the Cannes Festival series and I've seen plenty of disdain for the French way of looking at things in many American news citations and even in some comments in talk pages. I guess it's a cultural thing. And the French also share a good part in it, as far as I know. Hoverfish Talk 10:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


Re: our toing and froing in The Mikado

I agree that you have reverted "to the MUCH better version". Nanki-Poo does indeed first appear simply as a minstrel and we only learn about his role as Second Trombone at his second entrance. -- Jmc (talk) 00:05, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Frozen EditEdit

Hello, I had tried to add accurate information regarding the Frozen Developmental Lab and Staged Reading on Broadway, which you deleted. I can provide proof if that is needed for the cast in question. Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:2000:32A:4887:EE1E:78CB:6285 (talk) 22:18, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I replied on your Talk page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:24, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Dan Leno scheduled for TFAEdit

This is to let you know that the Dan Leno article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 18 October 2017. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/October 18, 2017. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:43, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Just the Beginning (Grace VanderWaal album)Edit

 On 7 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Just the Beginning (Grace VanderWaal album), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a 13-city tour for Just the Beginning, a November 2017 album release by 13-year-old America's Got Talent winner Grace VanderWaal, sold out in September? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Just the Beginning (Grace VanderWaal album). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Just the Beginning (Grace VanderWaal album)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:03, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

NRG and Reliant Wikipedia pagesEdit

Hi, I noticed that you edited the NRG Energy wiki page. I am trying to write a page about Reliant, and I am wondering if I could get some feedback from you. Any help will be appreciated. Here is the Reliant draft page: Thanks Adapt16 (talk) 18:17, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


Good grief... Words fail me, particularly given the subsequent gibbering nonsense. The inability to understand basic policies and guidelines shown by the misguided editor is never a good basis on which to try and throw ones weight around! - SchroCat (talk) 19:32, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes! What amazes me the most is that editors who have never contributed anything useful to a page show up and insist that the IB, formatting, etc. must be done their way. And, generally, those are the ones who have never worked on any high-quality articles, don't write well and may never have read an actual book. This happens over and over again and wastes the time of productive editors. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:38, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
I suspect an age/maturity issue: all too often they seem to be major factors in cases of questionable ability. - SchroCat (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Ariana GrandeEdit

Hallo, i 'm so sorry for my edits in Ariana grande article, but this image is real 100, look people and she in concert, you know very much is she, this pic in 2015, and sorry my English is bad, anyway thank you.Néyo (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Néyo. Yes, I know the image is real, but it's apparently not from the Dangerous Woman Tour, and we have lots of better images from 2015. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

OK thank😠Néyo (talk) 22:15, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

ألا يوجد حل آخر لتوظيف هذه الصورة في المقالة، الصورة مهمة جدا خصوصا بعدما غيرت (Ariana Grande) ديانتها إلى Kabbalah, وانظمامها للماسونية Freemasonry. Néyo (talk) 22:19, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

?Néyo (talk) 23:01, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

  • Google Translate translates tha Arabic text as "There is no other solution to employ this image in the article. The picture is very important, especially after Ariana Grande changed her religion to Kabbalah and her Freemasonry freemasonry.". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:29, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I ran it through google translate and figured out what he meant. I disagree. It's not a very good photo, and we have lots of photos of her from 2015. Just because you take a photo doesn't mean that we have to use it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:40, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

The Absent-Minded BeggarEdit

About this edit, which you reverted :: I am British, and I have been familiar with British arhotic pronunciation and its effects all my life, and my own speaking is arhotic. For reference, see page Rhoticity in English. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:26, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I understand how the word is pronounced, whether spelled with the "r" or not. But for us to assert whether the respelling was a "result" of arhotic pronunciation or not would require a reference to a published, independent, reliable source. See WP:V. Your own experience is WP:OR, which cannot be used in this encyclopedia. All the best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:46, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Selective removal of content at Bernadette PetersEdit

I added a few sources for the material that you reverted at the Bernadette Peters article, but I can't help but notice that most of the other content in her credits list is also unreferenced. Why target my edits in particular when the rest of the article is equally unsourced?4meter4 (talk) 21:59, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

The other items are discussed in the body of the article above, and so the table just lists things that are discussed above. Most of what you added is trivia that probably should not be mentioned in an encyclopedia article. Items should not simply be added to table without discussion in the text, and certainly not without citing a WP:RS. Note that this is a GA. Please put any further discussion of the matter on the article's Talk page, rather than here. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:24, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

New Page ReviewingEdit

Hello, Ssilvers.

As one of Wikipedia's most experienced Wikipedia editors,
Would you please consider becoming a New Page Reviewer? Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; currently Wikipedia needs experienced users at this task. (After gaining the flag, patrolling is not mandatory. One can do it at their convenience). But kindly read the tutorial before making your decision. Thanks. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 01:58, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to all!Edit

  We wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year 2018!
Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas, and a Happy, Glorious, Prosperous New Year! God bless!    — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 09:30, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year to you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' GreetingsEdit you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Happy holidays, and Happy New Year to you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:21, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

Merry Christmas, and a very happy New Year to you, too! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:06, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy HolidaysEdit

  Happy Holidays
From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol

Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail.

So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 23:48, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Happy Holidays to you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:41, 25 December 2017 (UTC)


Warmest congratulations to Ssilvers and Tim riley for the well-deserved promotion of Arthur Sullivan! Best wishes for 2018, DBaK (talk) 12:57, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I have thanked DBaK for his message on my talk page. What a nice message to get as the Old Year slips out. Here's to happy and productive editing in 2018, for all three of us and every other editor. Tim riley talk 13:19, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, and seasonal felicitations, to you both! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:00, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Major General's Song reversionEdit

On Jan 4, I added an example to the list of times the song has been pastiched, and your reverted it on grounds of "no reliable source linked". I linked directly to the video where the pastiche actually takes place [edit: I did forget to name the author, which is Accursed Farms], just like the xkcd example did. What gives? --2601:1C0:8602:3FFD:8CA6:6A1A:1508:DDBA (talk) 03:14, 6 January 2017

A cite to the video is not an adequate source. It shows that the thing exists, but it does not explain why it is of encyclopedic importance. You need an independent source. The fact that another item is not properly referenced does not mean that we should keep adding improperly referenced items. But the xkcd item was covered in the press at the time, so I am sure we can find a better cite for it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
So "encyclopedic importance" means someone else has to talk about it first? And it can't be another wiki, like TvTropes or Wikiquotes? Even if it's just a list of parodies in media? --2601:1C0:8602:3FFD:8CA6:6A1A:1508:DDBA (talk) 19:32, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Correct. TVTropes, IMDb, etc. are not WP:RSs. The idea is to cite independent, reliable sources with editorial boards. TV Guide would be OK. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Happy Pongal, Makar Sankranti, Lohri and Bihu to you!Edit

May all your endeavours have a fruitful beginning and prosperous ending!    — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 10:25, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, and the same to you! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:44, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Jay NewmanEdit

Sorry, I was a bit overzealous with the delete key here. ... discospinster talk 20:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Playbill inserts/liner notes as sourcesEdit

Hi Ssilvers, long time no see! I've been working on creating the Make Me a Song (musical) page, and I had a couple questions I couldn't find answers to, and I remember you as being very in the know in regards to both musicals and appropriate sources. There are some things regarding song listings, credits, production history, etc. that I can only find in the playbill (which I have though I didn't see the show), a playbill insert with song notes written by Finn, and the liner notes in my copy of the cast recording. Can I use those as sources? And any advice on the page would be appreciated if you have a moment, I've never created a musical article from nothing before. Thanks so much! ElfLady64 (talk) 03:45, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, User:ElfLady64, you can cite a playbill and liner notes, although reviews by reputable critics in major newspapers and magazines are even better. I'll go look at the page now. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:47, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

I just want to clarify, I am usually a normal and helpful Wikipedia editor too, just like you, but work from time can result in the need for fun. So, thank you for taking off my small little joke of Mark Zuckerberg being Christopher Columbus in the play Little Christopher Columbus. Wikipedia needs more people like you. Kindest regards, RatherReadABook (talk)

DYK for George Bentham (singer)Edit

 On 4 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article George Bentham (singer), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after a decade-long opera and concert career, George Bentham originated the leading role of Alexis in The Sorcerer by Gilbert and Sullivan, which proved to be his last performing engagement? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/George Bentham (singer). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, George Bentham (singer)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
But... but... If I could just say it in a clear and understandable manner, they might get it! Thanks for the intervention! Jim1138 (talk) 08:52, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Isaac Cole PowellEdit

I appreciate you taking the time to look at the article and clean it up to remove the cruft and make it much more encyclopedic. The article looks and flows much better now, so hopefully this will put an end to the edit warring. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

G&S Festival updateEdit

A video of the entire awards ceremony is here:

Festival champions are announced around the 38 minute mark, just a minute before the end. For previous years from 2017 back to 1999, you can see all the festival champions and runners up here: -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:33, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Newsies (musical)Edit

Regarding your edit at Newsies (musical): I understand the fix fo the "Basis" but a mention of the original writers seems to makes sense. What do you think about an addition after the line "and a book by Harvey Fierstein, based on the original screenplay by... etc" User:Norramic (talk) 16:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

We already said that the show is based on the film. I've gone ahead to name the screenwriters, as you suggest, but I think that it would be better to move that information down into the background/history section, so that we can cite a source that explains how much or little of the screenplay Fierstein used. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:15, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Eyes and No EyesEdit

I've rewritten the synopsis to try and give the play's structure a bit better. See what you think. -- User:Adam Cuerden

Good. I've made some tweaks. Please consider the song titles. Should they be in caps, or should the list of musical numbers be in lower case, or should all be in Title case? -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
My understanding is that if they're named after the first line, it's first letter capitalised, rest lower case, as it's effectively a quotation. If it's a title proper, it's capitalised. This means that, for example, in Happy Arcadia, the "Identity Quartette" is title case, the rest is done as a quote. (talk) 01:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Do we need to note the location of 4b (the exit music?) It's really the only reason to note Pierrot and Arlequin's exit explicitly. I'm also wondering if we should explain the cut song largely duplicates the text around it, or if that's obvious. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:06, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I do not think that we should note the exit music; it is of little consequence. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Good job filling out the plot summary. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Merry MerryEdit

  Happy Christmas!
Hello Ssilvers,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 21:09, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New YearEdit

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Hi Ssilvers, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia,

   –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 15:50, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Davey, for the thoughtful season's greetings. Have a lovely Christmas and a very happy, healthy and prosperous 2019! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:19, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome Ssilvers and thanks so much, Take care, –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 15:20, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:17, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings to you, and happy editing in 2019! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:19, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

2018 Year in ReviewEdit

  Military history service award
For your work on Arthur Sullivan, whose work has occasionally been featured in military history related settings, you are hereby granted with WikiProject Military history Service 1 stripe award. Congrats! TomStar81 (Talk) 19:03, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

  The Half Barnstar
For your work on Arthur Sullivan, whose work has occasionally been featured in military history related settings, you are hereby awarded The Left Half of the Half Barnstar. Congrats! TomStar81 (Talk) 19:03, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Capitalization of Patter Song List SectionEdit

Hi Ssilvers.

After reviewing the manual of style, I agree with your decision.

At the risk of being pedantic, I just want to clarify that when I edited the section, it was already capitalized.

I tracked it back to when the section was capitalized, and I found that you had done so back in 2011: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phantomred (talkcontribs) 07:50, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Phantomred. I didn't say that you capitalized it. When I notice that something is wrong, I correct it. Very often, I originally made the mistake myself, but it doesn't matter who made a mistake. Please sign your Talk page comments by adding four tildes, like this: ~~~~. That will automatically add your signature and a date/time stamp. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:49, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Silvers. Thank you for the clarification. Phantomred (talk) 20:27, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Victor HerbertEdit

Both {{WikiProject New York City|class=B|importance=Mid}} i.e. Broadway theatre and {{WikiProject Pop music|class=B|importance=Mid}} i.e. Tin Pan Alley are clearly justified by the Victor Herbert article.

Do you agree with me?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 01:07, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

No. Victor Herbert is not important to the development of New York City, as he was just a composer. He was not a builder of theatres, like the Shubert family. I also doubt that anyone in the Pop music project wants to contribute to Victor Herbert article unless they are also members of one of the other projects already listed. The purpose of the banners is to bring interested editors to the article. In this case, the editors interested in Herbert would be members of one or more of the projects already listed on the Talk page. I don't think it helps to have a massive list of banners on article Talk pages. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:38, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ssilvers. I noticed you let me know that I had posted information that had already been added to Maddie Ziegler's page. Thank you for letting me know! I've only been editing on Wikipedia for the past year or so and I didn't realize that it had been added. Just to clarify! Thebekahbird (talk) 23:55, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


Hi, you recently made some adjustments to the we are the tigers page. you moved it from We Are The Tigers to We Are the Tigers. But the offical website lists the title as We Are The Tigers. Can I undo your correction? Apathyash (talk) 02:30, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Our Manual of Style says that in titles, words like "the" and "a" should be lower case, even if they are upper case in the original styling; so the title is correct now. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:13, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Noted! Thank you for your copy edits and general help fixing up the page. Apathyash (talk) 17:55, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Nico_Castel article de-redlinkingEdit

Hi, Not sure why you de-redlinked the Nico_Castel article. Do you think AIMS is not notable? Maybe you would consider creating a stub article for AIMS instead. Musicman103 (talk) 00:55, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

I doubt that AIMS is notable. If it is, feel free to create an article. I don't create stubs. If something is worth writing an article about, one ought to write at least a start-class article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:18, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Request for mediation, Dan LenoEdit

Hi there, I have tried to make an edit on the Dan Leno page. Another user Cassianto reverted it without giving any reason. I reverted it back asking for a reason. He reverted it saying "it was of no interest" without saying why. I reverted it back so he then put a warning on my talk page telling me to stop or I will be banned. As he was the first to revert then I feel he has started the edit war. I then started up a conversation on the talk page. He is belittling, rude and I think he thinks he owns the page. I can see you've been on the talk page before. Any chance of talking a look and commenting? Thanks. Cls14 (talk) 22:42, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

User:Cls14, I agree with Cassianto. He followed the WP:BRD procedure, whereas you did not. If you make a change to an article, and another editor reverts you, do not re-revert. Instead, begin a Talk page discussion immediately and make your arguments for the change. If you can build a WP:CONSENSUS to make the changes you seek, they can be made. Otherwise, not. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:53, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I just have to sayEdit

That I always appreciate and marvel at your work when you descend upon an article Ssilvers. Currently you are working your magic on The Slipper and the Rose  . Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 21:29, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Haha! Thanks. I just tweaked it. The (musical) version is probably not notable by itself and should not have an article of its own, and sure enough, when you look at it, The Slipper and the Rose (musical) is a ghastly little stub that should be deleted. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:22, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
You are right S. Anything of use there could be merged. Even your tweaking improves an article :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:36, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
If anyone starts a merge discussion, I'll certainly vote for it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

If it's not too much to ask ...Edit

... given you are aware of some of the most pertinent references, I wonder if you'd have time & care to have a look at Wild Side Story. Anything you could do to help remove some of the embarrassing warnings at the top would be highly appreciated. The English article is modelled on the German version, which several editors worked on quite a bit some time ago to get it stable there. I'm too close to the English article to do anything constructive to it. Best wishes in any case, --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:11, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't think you want me to do that. I would probably cut out about 50% of the article that is not pertinent to it. The first paragraph of the body, for example, starts with biographical stuff that is too tangential to the article. But if you accept that and still want me to do it, then send me (on my Talk page) a full translation of the German article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:20, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I will gladly do that, thank you, but it will take me some time to do it presentably. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:22, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
On second thought, you can just translate the additional text and citations that are not already in the English article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:00, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for The Debut (album)Edit

 On 29 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Debut (album), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that The Debut was Jackie Evancho's eighth consecutive release on the Billboard Classical Albums chart to reach number one? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Debut (album)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Rumple (musical)Edit

I've just created a new article for this show. I would really value your input and corrections. Bob

Thanks for your help. I think we need a disambiguation page because anyone searching "Rumple" will get John N.W. Rumple! Can you add one? Bob
Done and done. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:49, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Ok - I added a paragaph on the plot. Feel free to have at it. Rjstern (talk) 18:00, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Done, but it needs a few more sentences about what happens in the script.

Cole PorterEdit

Hallo, I contact you because you asked me to do it, telling me please use Talk page if you wish to demostrate that this information is noteworthy. You deleted a contribution about the tribute to Porter of Lica Cecato and Paolo Baltaro, international artist. What do you need exactly? Thanks for your answer — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi. For example, if the album charts at #1 in a number of markets or gets a lot of attention by major music press, that would be a start. Of course, there have been numerous tributes to Porter, and this encyclopedia would only list the most prominent examples. See WP:RECENT. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

The album charts gets a lot of attention by major music press, do you want me to send you the links? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:35, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, post the links here. Also, sign your Talk page comments by using four tildes, like this: ~~~~. That will automatically post your signature with a time/date stamp. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:17, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alla GoniodskyEdit

I'm not sure what to think about this one. Your thoughts would be appreciated.4meter4 (talk) 16:17, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Done. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:11, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


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